2012 POTUS and Congress General election off-season thread

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well the Obama best and worst threads won't be locked

[underdog]

Hey U'dog now that's a party for you

What?

[spoon]

Your Vaginas are safe, However your 401K is taking a beating today

yah, bc we're all 98 like dspy and tapping out today

fuck the market and its knee jerk reactionary tactics

booo hoooo, the billionaires have to tap out bc they can't make money AS MUCH with the capital gains tax going away

you are only taxed on the money YOU MAKE, not your original investment

and way to trivialize women's rights like only WFool could

[booster11373]

yah, bc we're all 98 like dspy and tapping out today

fuck the market and its knee jerk reactionary tactics

booo hoooo, the billionaires have to tap out bc they can't make money AS MUCH with the capital gains tax going away

you are only taxed on the money YOU MAKE, not your original investment

and way to trivialize women's rights like only WFool could

WFool............looks like a new handle to me

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea like Billionaires don't like Obama. Sure he's not their puppet


I'll call you SpoonFed

[spoon]

maybe a viable 3rd party emerges from this?

we are FAR from that still

[spoon]

Which isn't viable. He may be libertarian, but his clear racist past is a non-starter in current/future demographics.


Nader!


:innocent:

[spoon]

i'm patting myself on the back
for getting the predictions just right,
when you deduct the rampant vote fraud
in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado,
and Wisconsin

take those illegal votes out
and Romney won with 51+%

ahahahahahahahahahaha!

[spoon]

They need to punt the zealots. Stop electing dodo birds like Mourdock, O'Donnell, Angle, and Akin to lose in 100% winnable races.

Problem is, they've created this beast. Now they have to kill it. The Democrats were smart enough to purge all their zealots 40 years ago post-McGovern. The Reps have to purge their Reaganites. Can't win just with "angry white guys" (to quote Lindsey Graham) any longer.

I think their best path is to embrace the Randians. Go slight Paul (but not full Paul), and embrace the "personal freedom" thing. It's a good way to at least cut into the youth vote a bit, because every campus has hundreds of assholes who read Atlas Shrugged and turn into your annoying younger cousin at the Thanksgiving table.

Back this marijuana thing in Colorado and other things like it. Stop attempting to throw out every illegal immigrant and come up with a viable solution. Stop worrying about what adults do in their bedrooms and who they marry. Stop attempting to solve every economic issue with 30 year old supply-side trickle down bullshit.

you say embrace, but can this party actually let go of so many issues where they don't back "personal freedom" at all

you simply can't pick and choose on this

and man did you nail the Atlas Shrugged bullshit and the people who all but worship everything about it. hell, we even have some here that are all in on that fucking tripe

[spoon]

Balances out Roscoe Bartlett, who had 20 years in Maryland.

He was 86, got gerrymandered, and said stupid stuff about rape. Triple winner, right there.

and let's be honest, at fucking 80 it's time to tap out and retire

i hate that people think it's a good idea to keep electing people well into their golden years. I think we need to keep a nice flow of new blood on every level, and term limits are needed badly in congress/senate. I don't see how people can elect old coots around dspy's age so set in their ways

[spoon]

What is it with rape that make men stay goofy shit like with Akin and Murdoch said

$$

[spoon]

Martin Bashir is a vindictive SOB. Instead of celebrating the reelection of Obama he continues to piss on the corpse of the Romney defeat.


I would not want to be at a party with someone like that.

you're not, so fuck yourself

fox and other conservative outlets continue to question HOW this could happen and focuses on everything they hate about Obama

like some said above, no self awareness at all...or respect for the vote and the people's will here. just everyone was stupid, got it wrong and let's now all hate on Romney now that he failed again.

[spoon]

Fuck the Democrats and GOP

That's why I'm a libertarian

you're soooo full of shit

you'd sign up for Romney over Obama in a heartbeat and defend that side of the fence countless times

the only time you push back there is in hindsight like with W with his failures and an occasional hate on some compromises

you love to think you're different, but you're just a delusional fool

[spoon]

The Republican who won the House seat here, Andy Barr, was at least smart enough to duck a question about rape in his debate. I've never heard someone talk so long and leave you even more confused about what he thought in the end.

ha!

good old kty

[spoon]

None

that's great!

you have zero independent thoughts so we all know you're lying

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you're not, so fuck yourself

fox and other conservative outlets continue to question HOW this could happen and focuses on everything they hate about Obama

like some said above, no self awareness at all...or respect for the vote and the people's will here. just everyone was stupid, got it wrong and let's now all hate on Romney now that he failed again.


Wow you really do sound like a miserable fuck. Maybe you should go to sleep with a coat hanger in your mouth maybe you'll wake up with a smile


Obama won fair and square I'm not going to speculate if it was due to the storm from last week

[WRESTLINGFAN]

that's great!

you have zero independent thoughts so we all know you're lying



Spoon the official spokeswhore for RF.net

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you're soooo full of shit

you'd sign up for Romney over Obama in a heartbeat and defend that side of the fence countless times

the only time you push back there is in hindsight like with W with his failures and an occasional hate on some compromises

you love to think you're different, but you're just a delusional fool

So you know voting habits and ideology?

Thanks again for exposing yourself as an igonorant miserable SOB


Romney lost Election over but still you remain such a small petty piece of shit

[spoon]

Yea like Billionaires don't like Obama. Sure he's not their puppet


I'll call you SpoonFed

that's cute how you turn my take on you into your take on me

now you're just a childish fool, but still a parrot

and I said billionaires don't like Obama? I said he's not tied to money in other sectors?

hence the reason you're debating tactics are pathetic and sad

I HATE the money in these elections, tied to both sides...yet let's not act like Obama's the upper class's man and he got all the HUGE money via billionaires all over the place in PAC form.

and don't kid yourself on the market. those all pissy are just shorting the market as a whole and making a killing collectively as planned. the general public will misread so much on this due to simple lack of understanding, but money is most definitely being made by the very people that will cry about the decline

[WRESTLINGFAN]

that's cute how you turn my take on you into your take on me

now you're just a childish fool, but still a parrot

and I said billionaires don't like Obama? I said he's not tied to money in other sectors?

hence the reason you're debating tactics are pathetic and sad

I HATE the money in these elections, tied to both sides...yet let's not act like Obama's the upper class's man and he got all the HUGE money via billionaires all over the place in PAC form.

and don't kid yourself on the market. those all pissy are just shorting the market as a whole and making a killing collectively as planned. the general public will misread so much on this due to simple lack of understanding, but money is most definitely being made by the very people that will cry about the decline

You are so fucking naive that you dont believe he's a friend of the rich? He goes around saying how he's for the regular guy meanwhile hes just another pawn and a whore just for different rich people

[spoon]

Wow you really do sound like a miserable fuck. Maybe you should go to sleep with a coat hanger in your mouth maybe you'll wake up with a smile


Obama won fair and square I'm not going to speculate if it was due to the storm from last week

but you'll post that as your passive implication that it was

why even mention that after the "won fair and square" if you were taking some high road for the first time in your fucking life

and wow, that coat hanger line ... zing!

what a fetid joke

[spoon]

Spoon the official spokeswhore for RF.net

spokeswhore!

ha!!

and yes, I speak for everyone on this planet with a brain on this one

[WRESTLINGFAN]

but you'll post that as your passive implication that it was

why even mention that after the "won fair and square" if you were taking some high road for the first time in your fucking life

and wow, that coat hanger line ... zing!

what a fetid joke

If youre trying to put me in with the crowd who blamed it on the Storm or Christie working with Obama last week, well I don't subscribe to that


In the end, the country made it's decision and they chose wrong in my view.


GJ Could have been much better and there could actually be some real change instead of business as usual.

[spoon]

So you know voting habits and ideology?

Thanks again for exposing yourself as an igonorant miserable SOB


Romney lost Election over but still you remain such a small petty piece of shit

yes wf, it's sooooo hard to read into your ideology and voting patterns

you're platter of bullshit is completely out there for all to take in and dissect

unless you have a psychotic habit of backing the opposite of everything you post and speak on, I think you're pretty easy to figure out. that's FAR from ignorant, but I sure am a mean prick to those fools that earn it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you say embrace, but can this party actually let go of so many issues where they don't back "personal freedom" at all

you simply can't pick and choose on this

and man did you nail the Atlas Shrugged bullshit and the people who all but worship everything about it. hell, we even have some here that are all in on that fucking tripe

Why is it that many on the left want choice when it comes to abortion and who they fuck ,, but demand that cars have a certain MPG or where children should go to school to the lightbulb you buy


Fluke can fuck how many men she wants. It's doesnt matter to me. I'll keep my hands off her uterus but she wants her hand in my wallet. I dont wanna subsidize her sex life

[spoon]

You are so fucking naive that you dont believe he's a friend of the rich? He goes around saying how he's for the regular guy meanwhile hes just another pawn and a whore just for different rich people

again

again you just ignore/lack reading skills

that's what I believe now huh?

what a dumb cunt u are

[El Mudo]

you say embrace, but can this party actually let go of so many issues where they don't back "personal freedom" at all

you simply can't pick and choose on this

and man did you nail the Atlas Shrugged bullshit and the people who all but worship everything about it. hell, we even have some here that are all in on that fucking tripe

It could be a very, very nasty "civil war" between the religious right and the non-religious elements.

But then again, they still got 52 million votes and came damn close to winning the thing. Perhaps they don't even feel they NEED to change, but I've personally run into so, so many people who are conservative fiscally, and despise what the zealots have done to their party. I think with younger guys like Ryan and Rubio over there, they'll start moving away from them and waiting out the death of that generation, because let's face it....those people ain't getting any younger.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes wf, it's sooooo hard to read into your ideology and voting patterns

you're platter of bullshit is completely out there for all to take in and dissect

unless you have a psychotic habit of backing the opposite of everything you post and speak on, I think you're pretty easy to figure out. that's FAR from ignorant, but I sure am a mean prick to those fools that earn it

No !!!! I post what I believe.

Yea you want the gov't out of the bedroom but like a lemming you will accept whats told to you because ya know the politicians know everything

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It could be a very, very nasty "civil war" between the religious right and the non-religious elements.

But then again, they still got 52 million votes and came damn close to winning the thing. Perhaps they don't even feel they NEED to change, but I've personally run into so, so many people who are conservative fiscally, and despise what the zealots have done to their party. I think with younger guys like Ryan and Rubio over there, they'll start moving away from them and waiting out the death of that generation, because let's face it....those people ain't getting any younger.

Theres also the faction of the GOP who wants war and an enhanced police and security state. Thats where they need to get off from that platform

[El Mudo]

Birth control pills and MPG regulations on cars are public health and environmental safety issues. Some women don't use birth control for contraception. They need it for the hormones. Not only that, unwanted pregnancies are a massive burden on all levels of society. Also, there's zero difference between covering contraception and covering your boner pills.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again

again you just ignore/lack reading skills

that's what I believe now huh?

what a dumb cunt u are

A Dumb cunt is believing that the federal gov't can manage all these out of control programs and when they go to shit, the solution is more gov't on top of that. Latest one being Obamacare

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Birth control pills and MPG regulations on cars are public health and environmental safety issues. Some women don't use birth control for contraception. They need it for the hormones. Not only that, unwanted pregnancies are a massive burden on all levels of society. Also, there's zero difference between covering contraception and covering your boner pills.

Don't want to cover viagra or any of those pills


Someones freedom to fuck means my freedom to be free from paying for their habits




In regards to cars why arent chevy volts selling? If the market wanted them then they would be hot items. Even with all the tax credits their sales are dismal

[spoon]

Why is it that many on the left want choice when it comes to abortion and who they fuck ,, but demand that cars have a certain MPG or where children should go to school to the lightbulb you buy


Fluke can fuck how many men she wants. It's doesnt matter to me. I'll keep my hands off her uterus but she wants her hand in my wallet. I dont wanna subsidize her sex life

that's pathetic

the left wants choice in personal liberties, i hope you at least gather that much

on the mpg, and energy efficient materials it's pretty simple WF

it's to help our energy situation, stimulate cleaner products and so much more. the school thing is simply ridiculous...as private schools can do whatever the fuck they want and take kids from anywhere. public schools operate in specific areas, that's not tough to understand. fund them appropriately and do away with STUPID testing that is pretty much nothing more than a curriculum distraction versus attack their teaching unions bc they make 55k a year and things will work out much better...and that's just a start. yet vouchers and privatization is NOT the fucking answer here or anywhere, unless you want college tuition prices from k-12 too. the prison system should be a great example of what is wrong with that scenario.

[spoon]

Fluke can fuck how many men she wants. It's doesnt matter to me. I'll keep my hands off her uterus but she wants her hand in my wallet. I dont wanna subsidize her sex life

and fucking focus...you're spiraling into your gop tourettes again, take your meds (watch fox/go to drudge/tune into wabc)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

that's pathetic

the left wants choice in personal liberties, i hope you at least gather that much

on the mpg, and energy efficient materials it's pretty simple WF

it's to help our energy situation, stimulate cleaner products and so much more. the school thing is simply ridiculous...as private schools can do whatever the fuck they want and take kids from anywhere. public schools operate in specific areas, that's not tough to understand. fund them appropriately and do away with STUPID testing that is pretty much nothing more than a curriculum distraction versus attack their teaching unions bc they make 55k a year and things will work out much better...and that's just a start. yet vouchers and privatization is NOT the fucking answer here or anywhere, unless you want college tuition prices from k-12 too. the prison system should be a great example of what is wrong with that scenario.

Let the market determine if people want to buy hybrids or electric cars. Its not the governments choice to determine that. Nobody wants volts so thats the market saying its a dud

Allow schools to compete and there will be school choice. Leave education to state and local gov't.

In regards to prisons. Theres a problem with that. Why should someone with a few joints be sent to jail. That leads to the US having the most people locked up in the world

[El Mudo]

I'm parroting Rachel Maddow's thesis a bit here, but you know who is exactly the perfect "modern" Republican President?

Bill Clinton. Seriously.

He was massively fiscally conservative. He deregulated things like the Telecommunications Industry (Telecommunications Act of 1996) and the banking industry (signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall). He was robust on defense and intervening in foreign affairs (Somalia, Bosnia, etc). Not only that, people seem to forget how conservative his running mate, Al Gore was, because the narrative has buried him as an environmentalist wacko on account of his global warming initiatives, which, by the way, he was 100% right on. Dude was one of our biggest, if not biggest, hawks on intervention in Bosnia, and was the bluest of blue dog Democrats. Clinton also basically ended most "traditional" federal welfare when he signed the Welfare Reform Act. And let's not forget NAFTA, which essentially killed what was left of manufacturing in this country.

And he was socially moderate enough (Don't Ask, Don't Tell aside), and he wasn't enough of a cornball racist that he still got 90+ percent of the African American vote and was able to build a broad coalition on both sides of the aisle, despite a loathsome Congress that continually tried to throw him out for spurious reasons.

Look at the reaction the man got at the Democratic Convention from all sides. If he ran for President, he'd win in an absolute Reagan-esque landslide. He's BELOVED in the African American community, despite enacting so many policies that hurt them irrevocably.

If the Republicans want to win elections, find another Bill Clinton. That's your guy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and fucking focus...you're spiraling into your gop tourettes again, take your meds (watch fox/go to drudge/tune into wabc)

Contraception was brought up and I placed my view that I have no objection to a woman getting them.


Youre en fuego with all the buzzwords like drudge etc. Should I just fill up my car with manatee blood ?

[El Mudo]

Let the market determine if people want to buy hybrids or electric cars. Its not the governments choice to determine that. Nobody wants volts so thats the market saying its a dud

Allow schools to compete and there will be school choice. Leave education to state and local gov't.

In regards to prisons. Theres a problem with that. Why should someone with a few joints be sent to jail. That leads to the US having the most people locked up in the world

It's not a free market issue. I don't know if you've noticed, but the climate has gone batshit crazy recently. That's not a coincidence. Oil is a non renewable resource that is eventually going to run out. The Government should be all over green energy projects, and not horse shit like the Keystone Pipeline which (a) runs straight through the water supply that produces most of the food in this country (the Ogalalla Aquifer)


About 27 percent of the irrigated land in the United States overlies this aquifer system, which yields about 30 percent of the nation's ground water used for irrigation. In addition, the aquifer system provides drinking water to 82 percent of the people who live within the aquifer boundary.

(b) will be pumped out on the other side and not sold here, and (c) won't create nearly the jobs it's said to

[spoon]

It could be a very, very nasty "civil war" between the religious right and the non-religious elements.

But then again, they still got 52 million votes and came damn close to winning the thing. Perhaps they don't even feel they NEED to change, but I've personally run into so, so many people who are conservative fiscally, and despise what the zealots have done to their party. I think with younger guys like Ryan and Rubio over there, they'll start moving away from them and waiting out the death of that generation, because let's face it....those people ain't getting any younger.

yes, the pop vote was decently close, but not of substance via this system

overall, it really wasn't that close...less close than I thought too

yet even so, as all the demographics that support the Dems continues to grow, the tent for the GOP is continually shrinking

year in and year out the tent shrinks and the opposite is happening nationally with the Dems. so in the end, they adjust or die out like the tories and whigs

[spoon]

No !!!! I post what I believe.

Yea you want the gov't out of the bedroom but like a lemming you will accept whats told to you because ya know the politicians know everything

now I accept everything that's told to me by politicians!

just fucking unreal


and yes you do post what you comically believe WF, that was my point you dumb fuck

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's not a free market issue. I don't know if you've noticed, but the climate has gone batshit crazy recently. That's not a coincidence. Oil is a non renewable resource that is eventually going to run out. The Government should be all over green energy projects, and not horse shit like the Keystone Pipeline which (a) runs straight through the water supply that produces most of the food in this country (the Ogalalla Aquifer)




(b) will be pumped out on the other side and not sold here, and (c) won't create nearly the jobs it's said to




If there's a green energy company that doesnt get huge gov't subsidies and is created with private capital then I have no objection




If they can make an electric car thats priced modestly and is something people want to drive, then there will be demand

[spoon]

A Dumb cunt is believing that the federal gov't can manage all these out of control programs and when they go to shit, the solution is more gov't on top of that. Latest one being Obamacare

again

(that's all I'm putting now when you spin out of control and then make ridiculous tie ins from points nowhere close to saying your translation or take on them)

again the fool is foolish

go figure

[WRESTLINGFAN]

now I accept everything that's told to me by politicians!

just fucking unreal


and yes you do post what you comically believe WF, that was my point you dumb fuck

If you believe Obamacare is going to bring costs down, If you believe that if taxes are raised only the rich will pay. Now I'm not sure if you do however thats accepting their false claims

[El Mudo]

If there's a green energy company that doesnt get huge gov't subsidies and is created with private capital then I have no objection




If they can make an electric car thats priced modestly and is something people want to drive, then there will be demand

The technology is still relatively new. They already offer tax breaks for buying one and other subsidies (in Virginia you can drive in the HOV lanes). And the government should make it more of an incentive for people to buy them, or start investing more monies in our archaic public transportation system.

[spoon]

Don't want to cover viagra or any of those pills


Someones freedom to fuck means my freedom to be free from paying for their habits




In regards to cars why arent chevy volts selling? If the market wanted them then they would be hot items. Even with all the tax credits their sales are dismal

the market, that alone should be our guidance huh?

and huge transition takes time, as does habit breaking hence the push when it's warranted and advantageous to the country, future and our needs to become more energy independent and advanced

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The technology is still relatively new. They already offer tax breaks for buying one and other subsidies (in Virginia you can drive in the HOV lanes). And the government should make it more of an incentive for people to buy them, or start investing more monies in our archaic public transportation system.

The whole tax structure needs to change. If states were able to keep more of their money then they would have the funds for upkeep of roads etc.


For fed highways like interstates. The 2 billion a week we are pissing away in Afghanistan should be going to that


Fuck nation building 8000 miles away

[Kevin]

I have an idea.

Lets make a 10 year pact.

All Conservatories move to the South for 10 years and let it only be run by Republican Conservatives and All Liberals stay up in the North and are run by Dems.

I guarandamntee the south would burn and go bankrupt and run back to the union in year 6 TOPS.

I think only that might smarten stupid poor republicans to the fact that their party is only out to screw them and make sure they are just there as cattle for them.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the market, that alone should be our guidance huh?

and huge transition takes time, as does habit breaking hence the push when it's warranted and advantageous to the country, future and our needs to become more energy independent and advanced

The market is more efficient and involves voluntary investment

[spoon]

I'm parroting Rachel Maddow's thesis a bit here, but you know who is exactly the perfect "modern" Republican President?

Bill Clinton. Seriously.

He was massively fiscally conservative. He deregulated things like the Telecommunications Industry (Telecommunications Act of 1996) and the banking industry (signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall). He was robust on defense and intervening in foreign affairs (Somalia, Bosnia, etc). Not only that, people seem to forget how conservative his running mate, Al Gore was, because the narrative has buried him as an environmentalist wacko on account of his global warming initiatives, which, by the way, he was 100% right on. Dude was one of our biggest, if not biggest, hawks on intervention in Bosnia, and was the bluest of blue dog Democrats. Clinton also basically ended most "traditional" federal welfare when he signed the Welfare Reform Act. And let's not forget NAFTA, which essentially killed what was left of manufacturing in this country.

And he was socially moderate enough (Don't Ask, Don't Tell aside), and he wasn't enough of a cornball racist that he still got 90+ percent of the African American vote and was able to build a broad coalition on both sides of the aisle, despite a loathsome Congress that continually tried to throw him out for spurious reasons.

Look at the reaction the man got at the Democratic Convention from all sides. If he ran for President, he'd win in an absolute Reagan-esque landslide. He's BELOVED in the African American community, despite enacting so many policies that hurt them irrevocably.

If the Republicans want to win elections, find another Bill Clinton. That's your guy.

NAFTA was his biggest failure, along with over deregulation

[spoon]

Contraception was brought up and I placed my view that I have no objection to a woman getting them.


Youre en fuego with all the buzzwords like drudge etc. Should I just fill up my car with manatee blood ?

It was? You can't count YOURSELF in the post I was commenting on as proof of anything being brought up on the subject. You are pretty insane.

and buzzwords?! Ha! you mean the ones I MADE UP!? hahahahahah!

you can't be this dumb

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was? You can't count YOURSELF in the post I was commenting on as proof of anything being brought up on the subject. You are pretty insane.

and buzzwords?! Ha! you mean the ones I MADE UP!? hahahahahah!

you can't be this dumb

Dumb is falling for the same gov't lines and schemes and believing that they can run efficient programs.

[spoon]

If there's a green energy company that doesnt get huge gov't subsidies and is created with private capital then I have no objection




If they can make an electric car thats priced modestly and is something people want to drive, then there will be demand

again, fuck you consumer demand (which is truly there as you note at the right price)

it's about what governments SHOULD be subsidizing until it get there, not ethanol/corn/exxon

[spoon]

The whole tax structure needs to change. If states were able to keep more of their money then they would have the funds for upkeep of roads etc.


For fed highways like interstates. The 2 billion a week we are pissing away in Afghanistan should be going to that


Fuck nation building 8000 miles away

i'm so sick of this states gov would be better than national...especially in cases like FEMA

if anything, they need to be able to work hand in hand effectively, versus the GOP getting into positions and fulfilling their own calls that government can't do anything right on both levels

and we're building a nation in afghanistan now?

since when?

there is a plan on the table, look it up

[spoon]

The market is more efficient and involves voluntary investment

does it?

when cornered, monopolized and stagnated by control?

you are a fool

[spoon]

If you believe Obamacare is going to bring costs down, If you believe that if taxes are raised only the rich will pay. Now I'm not sure if you do however thats accepting their false claims

our system currently sucks

completely as we pay the most for shitty substandard care

some of obamacare is very solid, but the lack of the public option and plenty more needs work

you know, some of the stuff that was originally a part of it until...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again, fuck you consumer demand (which is truly there as you note at the right price)

it's about what governments SHOULD be subsidizing until it get there, not ethanol/corn/exxon


Wow, throw out one of the 2 bases of Micro/Macro economics Demand.


no objection to the corporate welfare to ADM Monsanto but allow me to throw in a different industry. GM

[WRESTLINGFAN]

our system currently sucks

completely as we pay the most for shitty substandard care

some of obamacare is very solid, but the lack of the public option and plenty more needs work

you know, some of the stuff that was originally a part of it until...

Why do it at a federal level?


From what the people in MA say they are happy with Romneycare. If states want to go that route then fine.

[spoon]

If you believe Obamacare is going to bring costs down, If you believe that if taxes are raised only the rich will pay. Now I'm not sure if you do however thats accepting their false claims

on taxes, our rates are completely too low on the upper class as they also manipulate the codes in countless ways on top of it bc they have the team/money to make it cost effective to do so

so yes, the W cuts must go first and foremost...this from a guy who has now made 6 figures on said market dealings

it's only right I pay on my EARNINGS via my money working for me, not some bullshit idea that my easier money should be taxed less. i have no problem paying my fair share as I'm fortunate to do better in life

going back to the Clinton tax codes is a HUGE step to becoming solvent/out of budgetary deficit

[spoon]

Dumb is falling for the same gov't lines and schemes and believing that they can run efficient programs.

again

[WRESTLINGFAN]

on taxes, our rates are completely too low on the upper class as they also manipulate the codes in countless ways on top of it bc they have the team/money to make it cost effective to do so

so yes, the W cuts must go first and foremost...this from a guy who has now made 6 figures on said market dealings

it's only right I pay on my EARNINGS via my money working for me, not some bullshit idea that my easier money should be taxed less. i have no problem paying my fair share as I'm fortunate to do better in life

going back to the Clinton tax codes is a HUGE step to becoming solvent/out of budgetary deficit

The entire tax system is fucked up. The IRS tax laws are something like 60,000 pages and counting every year.

I did like GJ's endorsement of the fair tax. The progressive income tax just leads to more loopholes and shelters.

Some of The super wealthy say they want their taxes higher however once that happens they hire lawyers and accountants to do a runaround the law. IE More loopholes and shelters

In regards to what the definition of rich is. 200K just lowers the bar.

[spoon]

Wow, throw out one of the 2 bases of Micro/Macro economics Demand.


no objection to the corporate welfare to ADM Monsanto but allow me to throw in a different industry. GM

with basic consumer products sure it drives things, but not with some of the needed direction this country has linked to clean/new energy and technology tied to the greater public good/needs

no objection to ADM Monsanto huh?

GM is a completely different case in which a national industry was in trouble and I couldn't think of a better time to step in. Add in the economic crisis was linked to other areas of bullshit and it's not so simple as their own financial issues. It saved/continues to save many key positions in our country, important manufacturing and innovative jobs that simply aren't coming easily these days. HUGE positive for the country and the right choice, whether it worked or not.

[spoon]

Why do it at a federal level?


From what the people in MA say they are happy with Romneycare. If states want to go that route then fine.

bc a public option nationally is just that, versus the buying power of each fucking state

and you just love to fracture this country into states on issues clearly of national concern

i don't agree AT ALL

[WRESTLINGFAN]

bc a public option nationally is just that, versus the buying power of each fucking state

and you just love to fracture this country into states on issues clearly of national concern

i don't agree AT ALL

Yes, there are certain things that should be left to the states. No ones saying to return to the Art of Confed. I believe we should have a uniformed currency and post office and there shouldnt be tariffs btwn states.

There are other ways to fix healthcare that doesnt require the federal gov't to intrude.

Obamacare will go the way of SS Medicare/Aid

[WRESTLINGFAN]

with basic consumer products sure it drives things, but not with some of the needed direction this country has linked to clean/new energy and technology tied to the greater public good/needs

no objection to ADM Monsanto huh?

GM is a completely different case in which a national industry was in trouble and I couldn't think of a better time to step in. Add in the economic crisis was linked to other areas of bullshit and it's not so simple as their own financial issues. It saved/continues to save many key positions in our country, important manufacturing and innovative jobs that simply aren't coming easily these days. HUGE positive for the country and the right choice, whether it worked or not.

Yes, I dont want to subsidize ethanol or factory farms or someone who has a tomato plant in their back yard.

Did you know that Bachmann receives farm subsidies meanwhile she rages against big gov't


Again if theres a company who produces a 100% electric car thats appealing to customers, there will be a market for it.


It shouldnt be left up to the gov't to decide what the new sectors of energy are.

GM could have gone thru a managed bankruptcy, However handing over 60 billion, it just prolongs the collapse. The practices used in the bailout were the complete opposite of a true reorg/restructure.


Playing devils advocate. Even if I supported all these programs. At the very least the 400 billion spent in Afghanistan since 2009 could have been put to use here.

Even if you disagree with me on almost everything else, Shouldnt we have left already?

[Dell]

wow...just wow!

[Kevin]

How much of his rich dope friends money did Karl Rove waste during this failed campaign?

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[A.J.]

I'm parroting Rachel Maddow's thesis a bit here, but you know who is exactly the perfect "modern" Republican President?

Bill Clinton. Seriously.

He was massively fiscally conservative. He deregulated things like the Telecommunications Industry (Telecommunications Act of 1996) and the banking industry (signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall). He was robust on defense and intervening in foreign affairs (Somalia, Bosnia, etc). Not only that, people seem to forget how conservative his running mate, Al Gore was, because the narrative has buried him as an environmentalist wacko on account of his global warming initiatives, which, by the way, he was 100% right on. Dude was one of our biggest, if not biggest, hawks on intervention in Bosnia, and was the bluest of blue dog Democrats. Clinton also basically ended most "traditional" federal welfare when he signed the Welfare Reform Act. And let's not forget NAFTA, which essentially killed what was left of manufacturing in this country.

And he was socially moderate enough (Don't Ask, Don't Tell aside), and he wasn't enough of a cornball racist that he still got 90+ percent of the African American vote and was able to build a broad coalition on both sides of the aisle, despite a loathsome Congress that continually tried to throw him out for spurious reasons.

Look at the reaction the man got at the Democratic Convention from all sides. If he ran for President, he'd win in an absolute Reagan-esque landslide. He's BELOVED in the African American community, despite enacting so many policies that hurt them irrevocably.

If the Republicans want to win elections, find another Bill Clinton. That's your guy.

Only AFTER the 1994 GOP Revolution and Dick Morris forced him to the center. And a lot of that deregulation he enacted later led (in part) to the fiscal meltdown that occurred during the Bush years.

That said, the economy has typically done well with a Democratic President and a Republican Congress.

[A.J.]

It could be a very, very nasty "civil war" between the religious right and the non-religious elements.

But then again, they still got 52 million votes and came damn close to winning the thing. Perhaps they don't even feel they NEED to change, but I've personally run into so, so many people who are conservative fiscally, and despise what the zealots have done to their party. I think with younger guys like Ryan and Rubio over there, they'll start moving away from them and waiting out the death of that generation, because let's face it....those people ain't getting any younger.

See, I want those Gary Johnson and Meghan McCain types IN the GOP. I want to drive those mindless Bible-thumpers the fuck out of the party and bring back a moderation that Mudo was talking about. This is why the Northeast Republicans are all but extinct. The fucking Southern Republicans from the Bible Belt have completely dominated the party with their bullshit "never compromise" mentality. Most Republicans are Libertarians at heart and until we rid these extremists from the party, the GOP is doomed at the national level.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/222442_10151092762305773_1260534934_n.jpg


2012 Electoral college map

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i'm so sick of this states gov would be better than national...especially in cases like FEMA

if anything, they need to be able to work hand in hand effectively, versus the GOP getting into positions and fulfilling their own calls that government can't do anything right on both levels

and we're building a nation in afghanistan now?

since when?

there is a plan on the table, look it up

Speaking of FEMA


http://news.yahoo.com/fema-centers-york-city-closed-due-weather-220937353.html

We have been nation building there since 2001 and it will probably cost way over a trillion

[Misteriosa]

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

[A.J.]

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

Where are the non-white people who are mourning Romney?

Ohhhhhh.......right.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Like there wouldn't be a black people mourning Obama if he lost

[El Mudo]

See, I want those Gary Johnson and Meghan McCain types IN the GOP. I want to drive those mindless Bible-thumpers the fuck out of the party and bring back a moderation that Mudo was talking about. This is why the Northeast Republicans are all but extinct. The fucking Southern Republicans from the Bible Belt have completely dominated the party with their bullshit "never compromise" mentality. Most Republicans are Libertarians at heart and until we rid these extremists from the party, the GOP is doomed at the national level.

I'm beginning to think that LBJ really knew what he was doing when he killed the Democratic Party in the South forever :wink:

[spoon]

See, I want those Gary Johnson and Meghan McCain types IN the GOP. I want to drive those mindless Bible-thumpers the fuck out of the party and bring back a moderation that Mudo was talking about. This is why the Northeast Republicans are all but extinct. The fucking Southern Republicans from the Bible Belt have completely dominated the party with their bullshit "never compromise" mentality. Most Republicans are Libertarians at heart and until we rid these extremists from the party, the GOP is doomed at the national level.

exactly

as GJ wouldn't have been so easy to toss aside as an option when voting as it was with Romney and their last few options given

[spoon]

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

don't you dare lump us all in together!

I'll smack you until you're redder than Gingrich after a bender and hours with a new healthy wife!

:annoyed::wink:

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in butt hurtz and pain, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

[angrymissy]

Speaking of FEMA


http://news.yahoo.com/fema-centers-york-city-closed-due-weather-220937353.html

We have been nation building there since 2001 and it will probably cost way over a trillion

So?

The FEMA centers are where people apply for financial assistance after the storm. They can also apply via telephone or online. What's the big deal that they closed during a nasty snowstorm? It's not like it's a shelter.

See a lot of righties parroting that link today, not sure why. That article is 100% full of shit when it says that a FEMA assistance center is where people get their only food and water.

[CurseoftheBambi]

So?

The FEMA centers are where people apply for financial assistance after the storm. They can also apply via telephone or online. What's the big deal that they closed during a nasty snowstorm? It's not like it's a shelter.

See a lot of righties parroting that link today, not sure why. That article is 100% full of shit when it says that a FEMA assistance center is where people get their only food and water.

another WF post shoot to hell...wa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Furtherman]

It was a pleasure to take this photo yesterday morning. I was even more surprised when Nelson showed up.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/390130_10151153770264032_2048384376_n.jpg

[spoon]

So?

The FEMA centers are where people apply for financial assistance after the storm. They can also apply via telephone or online. What's the big deal that they closed during a nasty snowstorm? It's not like it's a shelter.

See a lot of righties parroting that link today, not sure why. That article is 100% full of shit when it says that a FEMA assistance center is where people get their only food and water.

HA!

BURN WF!

Missy hasn't seen our long winded argument on your bullshit parroting either I'm pretty sure. THAT is hilarious!

[spoon]

It was a pleasure to take this photo yesterday morning. I was even more surprised when Nelson showed up.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/390130_10151153770264032_2048384376_n.jpg

nelson is good like that

[CurseoftheBambi]

funny i saw nelson at the Whitepeoplemourningromney site a lot. He was also at Fox News with Karl Rowe and Dick Morris.

[A.J.]

It was a pleasure to take this photo yesterday morning. I was even more surprised when Nelson showed up.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/390130_10151153770264032_2048384376_n.jpg

"Release the hounds."

http://www.duffzone.org/framegrabs/aabf17/02242002180925.jpg

[Misteriosa]

heh.. i *kinda... kinda* feel bad for this fuck up on the part of the romney campaign.

the campaign prepared romney's presidential transition site. that's all fine and good. you'd want to be prepared in case he was elected. the fuck up is, the transition site went live, and as usual, the internet was there to catch it.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/07/romneys_transition_site.html#051365a

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So?

The FEMA centers are where people apply for financial assistance after the storm. They can also apply via telephone or online. What's the big deal that they closed during a nasty snowstorm? It's not like it's a shelter.

See a lot of righties parroting that link today, not sure why. That article is 100% full of shit when it says that a FEMA assistance center is where people get their only food and water.

Nasty snowstorm?

Thats funny


Its only a few inches of snow It wasn't a major blizzard. Furthermore if people don't have power what will a laptop or cellphone do?


Some people might want to meet those staff in person instead of hearing some automated recording

Plus those victims many pay income taxes to Fund FEMA , they just want what they pay for

[WRESTLINGFAN]

HA!

BURN WF!

Missy hasn't seen our long winded argument on your bullshit parroting either I'm pretty sure. THAT is hilarious!


Suck it Spoonfed.


Read my reply smacking her comment down, As usual another dumbass worthless comment by you showing your ignorance.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

another WF post shoot to hell...wa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

hehehe silly Curse.

More like hit her comments into the upper deck

[CurseoftheBambi]

Enjoy that fantasy you won the argument WF kinda like Romney on Earth 2 won the Election

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-w6xgE7Wu10w/UJuuZtWNWFI/AAAAAAAB9uA/toAmMim0zyk/s1600/transition.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Enjoy that fantasy you won the argument WF kinda like Romney on Earth 2 won the Election

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-w6xgE7Wu10w/UJuuZtWNWFI/AAAAAAAB9uA/toAmMim0zyk/s1600/transition.jpg

Earth 2 Romney got 95% of the black vote

[angrymissy]

Nasty snowstorm?

Thats funny


Its only a few inches of snow It wasn't a major blizzard. Furthermore if people don't have power what will a laptop or cellphone do?


Some people might want to meet those staff in person instead of hearing some automated recording

Plus those victims many pay income taxes to Fund FEMA , they just want what they pay for

OK, so there were a few hours yesterday where one of the assistance centers was closed. Did you drive last night? The roads were absolute shit. They let people from my office home early, so I can see why they let the FEMA workers go home early.

The assistance centers aren't shelters, so I'm not quite sure what the huge deal is over it being closed for part of the day due to bad weather. As if people would be trudging there during the storm to file their claims, that they could file over the internet or phone (or the next morning), anyway?

You are local, you must know for sure that everyone who had no power, the only thing they had that they could use was their cellphone. Chargeable and portable.

So tell me exactly, WF, what is the reason for the outrage? Because people couldn't file claims in person for a few hours yesterday

[WRESTLINGFAN]

OK, so there were a few hours yesterday where one of the assistance centers was closed. Did you drive last night? The roads were absolute shit. They let people from my office home early, so I can see why they let the FEMA workers go home early.

The assistance centers aren't shelters, so I'm not quite sure what the huge deal is over it being closed for part of the day due to bad weather. As if people would be trudging there during the storm to file their claims, that they could file over the internet or phone (or the next morning), anyway?

You are local, you must know for sure that everyone who had no power, the only thing they had that they could use was their cellphone. Chargeable and portable.

So tell me exactly, WF, what is the reason for the outrage? Because people couldn't file claims in person for a few hours yesterday

People might want to go there for info, where to get supplies etc. Also these people are paying for FEMA.

The People in SI took a beating from Sandy, Imagine going to the FEMA ctr and seeing a sign like that.

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md590xvIpX1rkd8gso1_500.jpg:smoke:

[angrymissy]

People might want to go there for info, where to get supplies etc. Also these people are paying for FEMA.

The People in SI took a beating from Sandy, Imagine going to the FEMA ctr and seeing a sign like that.

Again, living here, you should know that the information regarding that has been available for days and is also easily available via dialing 411.

I'm not sure many people were trudging to the FEMA center in the middle of that storm.

Those centers are mobile truck centers that were closed due to the danger of high winds

“Those trucks had to be pretty much taken down and taken off the island due to structural concerns,” Knowles said. “We didn’t want to have damage so we couldn’t return to the island and assist individuals.”

Knowles stressed that it was strictly the mobile sites that were closed.

“We had to take those tents down, we had to take those vehicles down so no one was seriously injured or hurt,” Knowles said.

It's another non-issue.

[Furtherman]

Its only a few inches of snow It wasn't a major blizzard.

New Jersey:

--Freehold: 13.0 inches
--Manchester Township: 12.0 inches
--Cheesequake: 7.8 inches
--Ridgefield: 7.5 inches
--Newark: 6.2 inches


New York:

--Bronxville: 9.5 inches
North Valley Stream: 8.0 inches
--Bayside: 7.9 inches


Connecticut:

--Clintonville: 13.5 inches
--North Haven: 12.0 inches
--Monroe: 11.5 inches
--Tolland: 9.0 inches
--Manchester: 8.0 inches
--New Milford: 7.0 inches

[WRESTLINGFAN]

New Jersey:

--Freehold: 13.0 inches
--Manchester Township: 12.0 inches
--Cheesequake: 7.8 inches
--Ridgefield: 7.5 inches
--Newark: 6.2 inches


New York:

--Bronxville: 9.5 inches
North Valley Stream: 8.0 inches
--Bayside: 7.9 inches


Connecticut:

--Clintonville: 13.5 inches
--North Haven: 12.0 inches
--Monroe: 11.5 inches
--Tolland: 9.0 inches
--Manchester: 8.0 inches
--New Milford: 7.0 inches

Snowstorm of the century

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Again, living here, you should know that the information regarding that has been available for days and is also easily available via dialing 411.

I'm not sure many people were trudging to the FEMA center in the middle of that storm.

Those centers are mobile truck centers that were closed due to the danger of high winds



It's another non-issue.

Each persons situation isn't the same

For the people who have power. Imagine calling the Fema center and getting a recording and not being able to speak to a FEMA staff mbr

[angrymissy]

Snowstorm of the century

:wallbash:

Considering the FEMA sites are mobile trailers, and 60mph wind gusts were forecasted, they temporarily moved them off the island during the storm. They were moved back this morning and reopened.

The FEMA site that is not a trailer and is in a building, remained open throughout the storm.

Again... the issue here is?

[angrymissy]

Each persons situation isn't the same

For the people who have power. Imagine calling the Fema center and getting a recording and not being able to speak to a FEMA staff mbr

You call an 800 number, not the center. Meaning you would get a FEMA staff member staffing the 800 number.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You call an 800 number, not the center. Meaning you would get a FEMA staff member staffing the 800 number.

That 800 # might patch you to someone in DC instead of someone Dsipatched to the affected area

[angrymissy]

That 800 # might patch you to someone in DC instead of someone Dsipatched to the affected area

The 800# is the number that you are supposed to call. Not the center directly.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Considering the FEMA sites are mobile trailers, and 60mph wind gusts were forecasted, they temporarily moved them off the island during the storm. They were moved back this morning and reopened.

The FEMA site that is not a trailer and is in a building, remained open throughout the storm.

Again... the issue here is?

Trailers wouldnt be blown away, If they were in Tents then there would be merit to evacuate them

[angrymissy]

Trailers wouldnt be blown away, If they were in Tents then there would be merit to evacuate them

So you think they just moved them off the island for the hell of it?

They weren't just closed, they were closed then moved off of the island due to the wind concerns.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you think they just moved them off the island for the hell of it?

They weren't just closed, they were closed then moved off of the island due to the wind concerns.

In Staten Island, a printed paper sign taped to the front door of on the center at 6581 Hylan Blvd. at 10:30 a.m. read “FEMA Center Closed Due to Weather.”

It wasnt snowing in the morning


Since FEMA is a federal agency I wonder if they will be closed Monday for Veterans day

[angrymissy]

In Staten Island, a printed paper sign taped to the front door of on the center at 6581 Hylan Blvd. at 10:30 a.m. read “FEMA Center Closed Due to Weather.”

It wasnt snowing in the morning

Since FEMA is a federal agency I wonder if they will be closed Monday for Veterans day

Yes, and they had to pack up everything and move. btw, it was snowing here in N NJ around 11am

Again, do you think they just did it for the hell of it? Seems like a giant pain in the ass.

Not to mention there was still 1 center open for the entire day, the one that was safe to keep open. And the 800 #. And the internet.

Pretty lame attempt at outrage.

[angrymissy]

Now if an actual SHELTER was closed (which is seems like the Daily Caller was trying to insinuate), I'd say that was BS.

This is simply a center to obtain information and fill out paperwork.

[CurseoftheBambi]

double down and dig the hole deeper...cause i can't admit i was wrong....painted myself in a corner.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, and they had to pack up everything and move. btw, it was snowing here in N NJ around 11am

Again, do you think they just did it for the hell of it? Seems like a giant pain in the ass.

Not to mention there was still 1 center open for the entire day, the one that was safe to keep open. And the 800 #. And the internet.

Pretty lame attempt at outrage.

When you are paying into a system against your will and your house was flattened, I think you might be outraged

[angrymissy]

When you are paying into a system against your will and your house was flattened, I think you might be outraged

If you had no other options, sure.

Except, they have the other FEMA center that's open, you have the 800#, you have the internet.

If they left these trailers and tents there and they were damaged and unusable, you'd be crying "how could they be so stupid as to keep them open!"

Yes, for 24 hours tops, a few of the FEMA centers were closed so they wouldn't be damaged and unable to provide further help.

The horror. Nobama whatever

[WRESTLINGFAN]

double down and dig the hole deeper...cause i can't admit i was wrong....painted myself in a corner.

If youre without power how the hell do you know about a site being closed?

[angrymissy]

If youre without power how the hell do you know about a site being closed?

How do you know which site to go to in the first place then?

Yes, a few people may have been inconvenienced and that sucks. Such is life. Better than the mobile centers becoming fucked up and unusable.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How do you know which site to go to in the first place then?

Yes, a few people may have been inconvenienced and that sucks. Such is life. Better than the mobile centers becoming fucked up and unusable.

I dont know everyones situation on SI


We are commenting from indoor dwellings with heat and electricity.

[ozzie]

If they left these trailers and tents there and they were damaged and unusable, you'd be crying "how could they be so stupid as to keep them open!"


Bingo.

No matter what they do, or did, WF will say it was wrong.

Don't feed the troll.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bingo.

No matter what they do, or did, WF will say it was wrong.

Don't feed the troll.

We have some snow coming, Sorry cant be of help come back and see us tomorrow

[angrymissy]

We have some snow coming, Sorry cant be of help come back and see us tomorrow

More like:

Sorry we have to pack up our mobile tents and trailers and get them off island so they are not damaged. If that happens, we won't be able to use them at all.

It's trailers and these (this is where the majority of the workers are). You think it's a good idea to keep that open?

http://assets.dnainfo.com/generated/photo/fema-closed-after-storm-13523925585163.jpg/image640x480.jpg

[ozzie]

Last night was a big win for the tag team of Fez Whatley and Nate Silver, not to mention the good ol' US of A.

Ron is going to have to admit he was wwrr...wwwrrrr.... well, you know.
;)

I finally got to listen to... I think it was last Friday's show... and damn, Fez just about nailed it, right down to predicting Karl Rove's meltdown on election night.

I wish I had the exact lines.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More like:

Sorry we have to pack up our mobile tents and trailers and get them off island so they are not damaged. If that happens, we won't be able to use them at all.

It's trailers and these (this is where the majority of the workers are). You think it's a good idea to keep that open?

http://assets.dnainfo.com/generated/photo/fema-closed-after-storm-13523925585163.jpg/image640x480.jpg

Why even have tents?

Thats how inept your federal government is

[ozzie]

Why even have tents?

Thats how inept your federal government is

Um, because they go immediately into areas that have sometimes been completely leveled by storms (see Mississippi Gulf Coast post-Katrina), and they need to be able to set up quickly?

If they started pouring slabs, and constructing permanent structures, you'd be railing about how long it took them to get set up, and about the cost.

Or if they had lines of weather-proof trailers parked in D.C., pre-built, and ready to mobilize for the next emergency, you'd post pictures of them the first time they were sitting idle, and use it as an example of wasteful federal spending.

Just admit that no matter what they do, or did, you'll find a fault.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Um, because they go immediately into areas that have sometimes been completely leveled by storms (see Mississippi Gulf Coast post-Katrina), and they need to be able to set up quickly?

If they started pouring slabs, and constructing permanent structures, you'd be railing about how long it took them to get set up, and about the cost.

Or if they had lines of weather-proof trailers parked in D.C., pre-built, and ready to mobilize for the next emergency, you'd post pictures of them the first time they were sitting idle, and use it as an example of wasteful federal spending.

Just admit that no matter what they do, or did, you'll find a fault.

Yes, it's just another inept bureaucracy

[angrymissy]

Why even have tents?

Thats how inept your federal government is

You can't be serious.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You can't be serious.

FEMA is still inept. Now I wont say this is a Katrina type situation however the scenario is pertty devastating in SI and the JS

They have a multi billion dollar budget and its still a gagglefuck

If our tax system wasnt so fucked up and states could be able to keep more of their money instead of sending it to DC and then having it doled out, these services would be more efficient because its on a state level.


How does some bureaucrat in DC know the logistics, terrain etc in an area hundreds of miles away?

[keithy_19]

Neil Cavuto's "Common Sense" segment that just aired was pretty spot on about my opinions regarding the storm and the government's response.

[CurseoftheBambi]

i do wonder how many on SI and Jersey...and even Long Island believed in FEMA DEATH Camps...and are now asking FEMA FOR HElp and haven't connected the dots yet.

[underdog]

Neil Cavuto's "Common Sense" segment that just aired was pretty spot on about my opinions regarding the storm and the government's response.

You're going to need to tell me your opinions because there's no fucking way I'm going to watch Neil Cavuto's show.

[hanso]

It's another non-issue.

Most are it's the nature of their beast

Place bets what the big conspiracy to impeach will be

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Before theres an autopsy on the GOP. There is still a chance to revive it and along what Mudo Posted and how AJ Added about shitcanning the religious zealots a few more things can be incorporated so that it can include Gary Johnson and Ron Paul supporters.

If the Repubs want to be small gov't they need to practice their philosophy

1. Stop the foreign interventions and going to war without a formal declaration. Dont be total isolationists however scale back the 700 military bases. Example 40,000 troops in Germany isnt necessary.

2. Republicans want to cut entitlements but not some of the waste in the Pentagon. I think Ron Paul nailed it best when he compared Military Spending to defense spending.

3. On the issue of illegal immigration, I actually thought about this a lot especially after the shellacking Romney got when he only got 30% of the Hispanic vote. There needs to be a dramatic shift because face it. White people will become a minority by 2050 by a lot of estimates. If they feel that there is a continued animosity towards them who knows they may feel that they can do the same to whites when they are the minority.

The GOP has Rubio and NM Gov Susan Martinez, If they can get them and some others who are hispanic and not Democrats to go to their neighborhoods and explain to them free market principles and not say we will give you entitlements but on a more efficient way and educate them on those principles along with business leaders it could cut into the Democratic stronghold. If the GOP can get 50-55% of their vote then they have a good chance of winning national elections.

Immigration reform can finally be done by first doing something about the border. The dream act should be implemented however theres got to be restrictions on full citizenship like serving in the military or peace corps. These provisions can be implemented over a perios of a couple of years. Things shouldnt be rushed. For the parents of children brought here, if they meet requirements they can stay however for knowingly crossing the border they shouldnt be granted citizenship, just green card status.

4. Quit the gay bashing. Gays shouldnt be just a huge bloc for the Democrats. Im sure there are gays out there who hold libertarian views. Some might be republicans but are probably ashamed to say that because many in the GOP think that they are going to hell.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Most are it's the nature of their beast

Place bets what the big conspiracy to impeach will be

Probably wont happen.

I dont know how the Speaker gets chosen, but Boehner has to go.

For the Senate, maybe they should choose someone other than Reid.

[KnoxHarrington]

Interesting story about some of the huge fuck-ups of the Romney campaign, especially this:

Romney and his campaign had gone into the evening confident they had a good path to victory, for emotional and intellectual reasons. The huge and enthusiastic crowds in swing state after swing state in recent weeks - not only for Romney but also for Paul Ryan - bolstered what they believed intellectually: that Obama would not get the kind of turnout he had in 2008.

They thought intensity and enthusiasm were on their side this time - poll after poll showed Republicans were more motivated to vote than Democrats - and that would translate into votes for Romney.

As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night.

Those assumptions drove their campaign strategy: their internal polling showed them leading in key states, so they decided to make a play for a broad victory: go to places like Pennsylvania while also playing it safe in the last two weeks.



I wondered why they were pissing away resources on states like Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania that they probably had no chance in hell winning and not working on states they could have won and needed, like Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. Sounds like Rmoney was surrounding himself with ass-kissers and yes men who just wanted to tell him what they thought he wanted to hear.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/?pageNum=1&tag=page

[Kevin]

Sounds like Rmoney was surrounding himself with ass-kissers and yes men who just wanted to tell him what they thought he wanted to hear.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/?pageNum=1&tag=page

Just like in his job and life.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Interesting story about some of the huge fuck-ups of the Romney campaign, especially this:



I wondered why they were pissing away resources on states like Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania that they probably had no chance in hell winning and not working on states they could have won and needed, like Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. Sounds like Rmoney was surrounding himself with ass-kissers and yes men who just wanted to tell him what they thought he wanted to hear.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/?pageNum=1&tag=page

I agree with those factors, but another reason why could be that usually the incumbent wins.

Before Romney got the nomination Obama released ads especially in Ohio that tore into Romney. Romney wasn't able to use funds until he got the delegates and clinched the nomination. Plus there were the countless debates and starting the whole 2012 Primary season very early. While those arent the biggest factors they still had some sort of impact

[keithy_19]

Place bets what the big conspiracy to impeach will be

Um the guy's still from Kenya.

[Kevin]

Yup...

This man and this party really cares about you or this country (http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen/2012/11/08/mitt-romneys-campaign-cancels-staffers-credit-cards-in-the-middle-of-the-night/)

[razorboy]

Yup...

This man and this party really cares about you or this country (http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen/2012/11/08/mitt-romneys-campaign-cancels-staffers-credit-cards-in-the-middle-of-the-night/)

A snapshot of his entire business career. Cut losses, screw employees, sleep like a baby on a stack of money.

[spoon]

Nasty snowstorm?

Thats funny


Its only a few inches of snow It wasn't a major blizzard. Furthermore if people don't have power what will a laptop or cellphone do?


Some people might want to meet those staff in person instead of hearing some automated recording

Plus those victims many pay income taxes to Fund FEMA , they just want what they pay for


might want to meet those staff in person...just want what they pay for

you're hilarious

[spoon]

Suck it Spoonfed.


Read my reply smacking her comment down, As usual another dumbass worthless comment by you showing your ignorance.

nice work deek...but your comment was nonsensical as usual

[spoon]

Earth 2 Romney got 95% of the black vote

nah, even there they hate him and his RIDICULOUS religion

this from a guy who isn't on board with any, but MAN ARE MORMONS idiots

[spoon]

People might want to go there for info, where to get supplies etc. Also these people are paying for FEMA.

The People in SI took a beating from Sandy, Imagine going to the FEMA ctr and seeing a sign like that.

Snowstorm of the century

:wallbash:

Each persons situation isn't the same

For the people who have power. Imagine calling the Fema center and getting a recording and not being able to speak to a FEMA staff mbr

for fuck's sake you're an idiotic cunt

just stop talking

[spoon]

FEMA is still inept. Now I wont say this is a Katrina type situation however the scenario is pertty devastating in SI and the JS

They have a multi billion dollar budget and its still a gagglefuck

If our tax system wasnt so fucked up and states could be able to keep more of their money instead of sending it to DC and then having it doled out, these services would be more efficient because its on a state level.


How does some bureaucrat in DC know the logistics, terrain etc in an area hundreds of miles away?

gagglefuck

that's a perfect way to describe your line of reasoning, focus and ability to debate any topic

your take on states running their own gov fine, but not the national gov is gagglefucked in the head

[hanso]

Probably wont happen.

I dont know how the Speaker gets chosen, but Boehner has to go.

For the Senate, maybe they should choose someone other than Reid.

Thats not who I ment see keithy's quote, that's my guess also it will be the same dribble shored up.

Um the guy's still from Kenya.

[spoon]

Before theres an autopsy on the GOP. There is still a chance to revive it and along what Mudo Posted and how AJ Added about shitcanning the religious zealots a few more things can be incorporated so that it can include Gary Johnson and Ron Paul supporters.

If the Repubs want to be small gov't they need to practice their philosophy

1. Stop the foreign interventions and going to war without a formal declaration. Dont be total isolationists however scale back the 700 military bases. Example 40,000 troops in Germany isnt necessary.

2. Republicans want to cut entitlements but not some of the waste in the Pentagon. I think Ron Paul nailed it best when he compared Military Spending to defense spending.

3. On the issue of illegal immigration, I actually thought about this a lot especially after the shellacking Romney got when he only got 30% of the Hispanic vote. There needs to be a dramatic shift because face it. White people will become a minority by 2050 by a lot of estimates. If they feel that there is a continued animosity towards them who knows they may feel that they can do the same to whites when they are the minority.

WHAT?! So let's change our opinion/stance not for the RIGHT reasons, but bc we have to in order to survive.

The GOP has Rubio and NM Gov Susan Martinez, If they can get them and some others who are hispanic and not Democrats to go to their neighborhoods and explain to them free market principles and not say we will give you entitlements but on a more efficient way and educate them on those principles along with business leaders it could cut into the Democratic stronghold. If the GOP can get 50-55% of their vote then they have a good chance of winning national elections.

This is hilarious! Go to "their neighborhoods and explain to them free market principles" and trash any support or aid for their families but we'll let you understand why we don't want to help you. This is the worst community outreach program in the history of the planet, and I'm SOOOO SURE it would hold up! HA! 50-55% of their vote is going to come when you abolish support programs for these people you speak of, bc they'll get YOUR education on free market principles from "business leaders" in "their neighborhoods"!? Fucking awesome! THE ONLY possible take you can go with is the far right religious angle here, as religion highly resonates with the Hispanic population. However, Catholic is the wrong answer for your tight fitting party pants of late and they see through the bullshit now too.

Immigration reform can finally be done by first doing something about the border. The dream act should be implemented however theres got to be restrictions on full citizenship like serving in the military or peace corps. These provisions can be implemented over a perios of a couple of years. Things shouldnt be rushed. For the parents of children brought here, if they meet requirements they can stay however for knowingly crossing the border they shouldnt be granted citizenship, just green card status. Oh yah, this can only help further that cause...of losing 50-55% of the remaining Hispanic vote you have left (you know, that party that you don't support or back in any way but write long diatribes on how to save the party and parrot their bullshit all day long.

4. Quit the gay bashing. Gays shouldnt be just a huge bloc for the Democrats. Im sure there are gays out there who hold libertarian views. Some might be republicans but are probably ashamed to say that because many in the GOP think that they are going to hell.
Oh there are gay republicans, usually in the senate and house...eg. See Lindsey Graham in his closet punching a mirror. Yet again, don't support gay rights bc they simply should be, but bc it helps your voting block. Very sincere changes going on here, and clearly of great impact to the party's stances.


You basically didn't save the party, you tried to find new ways to convince groups not on board to be on board with things against their interest. Why would any of these "ideas" influence a Hispanic or Gay voter to be a part of a political party still not truly inclusive or interested in their rights, needs and goals? What an awesome plan that involved pretty much zero change for the party, just new bullshit tactics to attempt to fool people to vote against their own best interest.

[Kevin]

Yup...

This man and this party really cares about you or this country (http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen/2012/11/08/mitt-romneys-campaign-cancels-staffers-credit-cards-in-the-middle-of-the-night/)

Then the other guy you hate a villify is this type of man.

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Fuck all you conservatives dudes! and go buy some real estate on the moom.

[spoon]

Oh Miss? :wallbash: (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/08/2-arrested-as-anti-obama-protests-escalate-at-ole-miss/)

[Dude!]

Kev, you should be
more cheerful...
your food stamps are safe
for another 4 years

[epo]

Probably wont happen.

I dont know how the Speaker gets chosen, but Boehner has to go.

For the Senate, maybe they should choose someone other than Reid.

Harry Reid is fine. Pelosi & McConnell need to go.

[epo]

I agree with those factors, but another reason why could be that usually the incumbent wins.

Before Romney got the nomination Obama released ads especially in Ohio that tore into Romney. Romney wasn't able to use funds until he got the delegates and clinched the nomination. Plus there were the countless debates and starting the whole 2012 Primary season very early. While those arent the biggest factors they still had some sort of impact

I believe the ads you are speaking of where from Paul Begala's superpac. They had a small fraction of Karl Rove's money which forced them to be much more strategic with their message & placement of ads. Great job on his part.

Although, that being said, I still hate Citizens United and all of this dirty cash in the political system.

[A.J.]

Connecticut:

--North Haven: 12.0 inches

That was the town over from me.

I shared the good news with my parents who have moved to Florida.

[A.J.]

Oh Miss? :wallbash: (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/08/2-arrested-as-anti-obama-protests-escalate-at-ole-miss/)

I hate Lincoln for bringing the South back into the Union.

[ozzie]

I hate Lincoln for bringing the South back into the Union.

After Tuesday night, they're ready to secede again.

The butthurt is palpable around here.

[epo]

After Tuesday night, they're ready to secede again.

The butthurt is palpable around here.

Eventually they'll have to realize that the 1850's are over.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You basically didn't save the party, you tried to find new ways to convince groups not on board to be on board with things against their interest. Why would any of these "ideas" influence a Hispanic or Gay voter to be a part of a political party still not truly inclusive or interested in their rights, needs and goals? What an awesome plan that involved pretty much zero change for the party, just new bullshit tactics to attempt to fool people to vote against their own best interest.

These ideas would give them an alternative to what they have been exposed to by the democrats. Maybe some dont want to be in a union and will want to go to college and get a white collar job. So is your stance is to have Hispanics working in assembly lines and manufacturing plants?


Plus its not forcing them to do anything. Its giving them different choices so maybe they can have the chance to work in different fields.


If they do that outreach both blocs will see that they are interested in their best interest. If you believe that all hispanics and gays will switch then you didnt read correctly what I posted then.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then the other guy you hate a villify is this type of man.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/pBK2rfZt32g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Fuck all you conservatives dudes! and go buy some real estate on the moom.

Boehner puts on a better act of crying.

[spoon]

These ideas would give them an alternative to what they have been exposed to by the democrats. Maybe some dont want to be in a union and will want to go to college and get a white collar job. So is your stance is to have Hispanics working in assembly lines and manufacturing plants?


Plus its not forcing them to do anything. Its giving them different choices so maybe they can have the chance to work in different fields.


If they do that outreach both blocs will see that they are interested in their best interest. If you believe that all hispanics and gays will switch then you didnt read correctly what I posted then.

the first bolded part is a great question...an alternative to what? bc all you did is give a breakdown on the GOP's stance on the campaign trail for years...even if some isn't backed up in recent times

and your stance/this stance you speak of keeps the common worker in limbo/stuck, not my stance. Another comical rundown of my views that more appropriately describes your own.

the final bolded part is off as well since the very point of my post was to say you aren't giving these people ANYTHING new or working for their interests at all. I'm saying the complete opposite, that the GOP would LOSE even more of these demographics with you awful changes/tactics to save the party...which ultimately is to go into "their neighborhoods" and just scream the same message louder and shaking hands with gloves on while canceling their support systems as soon as you have any control or ability to do so.

[spoon]

Boehner puts on a better act of crying.

first off, Boehner crying is no fucking act...the dude is a waterworks at the drop of a hat

second, that was genuine whether you like his stance or not...you simply can't be this biased

[Dude!]

nah, even there they hate him and his RIDICULOUS religion

this from a guy who isn't on board with any, but MAN ARE MORMONS idiots

ain't that the truth...
i hear them Mormons
let their women folk drive cars!

crazy, crazy religion

[Furtherman]

Mormonism is a cult. A cult leader was running for President. People voted for a cult leader. WTF is wrong with people? Oh wait... least educated states....

[Dude!]

Mormonism is a cult. A cult leader was running for President. People voted for a cult leader. WTF is wrong with people? Oh wait... least educated states....

Protestantism is a Jesus cult
Islam is a mohammed cult
Catholicism is a Mary cult

being in an "educated state"
has not made you intelligent

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the first bolded part is a great question...an alternative to what? bc all you did is give a breakdown on the GOP's stance on the campaign trail for years...even if some isn't backed up in recent times

and your stance/this stance you speak of keeps the common worker in limbo/stuck, not my stance. Another comical rundown of my views that more appropriately describes your own.

the final bolded part is off as well since the very point of my post was to say you aren't giving these people ANYTHING new or working for their interests at all. I'm saying the complete opposite, that the GOP would LOSE even more of these demographics with you awful changes/tactics to save the party...which ultimately is to go into "their neighborhoods" and just scream the same message louder and shaking hands with gloves on while canceling their support systems as soon as you have any control or ability to do so.

So the deal they are getting now is actually dropping the high rates of dropping out of HS or having children out of wedlock or having their unemployment rate about 40% more than the Nat'l avg?

They are getting something different to what they are getting now. Why not do some outreach especially with some prominent Hispanics like Rubio and Martinez. Theyre not doing so great voting 70% for the Dems

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I believe the ads you are speaking of where from Paul Begala's superpac. They had a small fraction of Karl Rove's money which forced them to be much more strategic with their message & placement of ads. Great job on his part.

Although, that being said, I still hate Citizens United and all of this dirty cash in the political system.

The biggest loser. Sheldon Adelsen

[razorboy]

Making Rubio the face of the party would be a overwhelming failure. It's GOP tokenism at it's worst. He's the same old guard with a slightly darker complexion. He has the same prehistoric view on social issues that were shot down so dramatically in this election. Even assuming he got you a larger portion of the Hispanic vote, he'll incense other racial minorities, gays and women. Until there is a sea change in the nutty social doctrine of the party the GOP will have a difficult time winning the collective majority that spoke up this year and the Republicans will continue to be a self-defeating mess.

[Furtherman]

Protestantism is a Jesus cult
Islam is a mohammed cult
Catholicism is a Mary cult

being in an "educated state"
has not made you intelligent

I've always maintained that religions are cults. Mormonism is just a more modern one. At least you're admitting religion is a cult. Are you getting caught up in the wave of conservative change that will come if the party is to survive? How would you predict that outcome?

Goodnight
troll.

[Dude!]

Goodnight
troll.

it's afternoon

[Snoogans]

im demanding a recount. Gary Johnson is so close to winnin this thing and i just dont think we should stop counting

[hanso]

Making Rubio the face of the party would be a overwhelming failure. It's GOP tokenism at it's worst. He's the same old guard with a slightly darker complexion. He has the same prehistoric view on social issues that were shot down so dramatically in this election. Even assuming he got you a larger portion of the Hispanic vote, he'll incense other racial minorities, gays and women. Until there is a sea change in the nutty social doctrine of the party the GOP will have a difficult time winning the collective majority that spoke up this year and the Republicans will continue to be a self-defeating mess.

West down one to go

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another Bush


http://news.yahoo.com/next-bush-makes-campaign-filing-texas-041025927.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Now that CO has OK'd pot for recreational use, doesnt the federal law basically wash it out? I remember Maher ripping the administration for sending in DEA agents to CA to do some raids

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Petraeus resigns from CIA


Not sure if it was due to Benghazi fallout or maybe he just wants to retire

[ozzie]

Now that CO has OK'd pot for recreational use, doesnt the federal law basically wash it out? I remember Maher ripping the administration for sending in DEA agents to CA to do some raids

Same thing for healthcare. Alabama (and I think some other states) voted to pass a State ammendment for "No Mandatory Health Care"... but it won't matter.

[Snoogans]

Now that CO has OK'd pot for recreational use, doesnt the federal law basically wash it out? I remember Maher ripping the administration for sending in DEA agents to CA to do some raids

The difference in cali is they were raiding big time growers and dispensaries for medical marijuana. Whenever these states get the programs running where the state actually sells and taxes marijuana, then things will become an issue with the feds. Until then, its just people possessing a personal amount of weed or a few plants growing in their house. The DEA doesnt have the time or amount of agents to worry about all that.

Generally, even up to pretty high level drug dealers, the federal government doesnt really have much to do with it. Its usually local and state and drug task forces that bust that kinda stuff. And they are governed by the state. so they cant go after people for weed anymore.

The thing is, with the Cali shit and medical stuff, they pissed off the federal govenment. They did something to such a high level with such disregard for discretion that the feds got mad. But that was still all private people. the states pretty much just look the other way.

Now that the states themselves are doing it, its different. Also, the state didnt implement this. The people voted it in. So the feds cant just go and threaten to pull funding or whatever else from the state cause they really didnt do anything.

IMO, i think the feds will just let it go and this will actually pave the way for a national legalization and regulation standard. 5 years tops, i think

[disneyspy]

Petraeus resigns from CIA


Not sure if it was due to Benghazi fallout or maybe he just wants to retire

just had a news pop up that he cited an extramarital affair

[razorboy]

One would think if anyone could get away with it the CIA Director would have a better than average shot.

[Dude!]

Another Bush


http://news.yahoo.com/next-bush-makes-campaign-filing-texas-041025927.html

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRY3cSsQXG8D74dGLu0nJe94a9gI__wP UMCpXTwH_TWnllLMqwLnQ


....is that made of chocolate too?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

One would think if anyone could get away with it the CIA Director would have a better than average shot.

no one can cover up the power of the pussy

[A.J.]

no one can cover up the power of the pussy

This can.

http://ba.fimgs.net/system/pics/4483/large/038W364016110001_20100327080209345.jpg?1298810309

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Besides Hillary who else leaves the cabinet?


I say Holder, Geithner, Napolitano are the top names to be replaced.

[underdog]

If you go to Romney's facebook page and refresh, you can watch the likes drop off by the second. It's kind of fun.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you go to Romney's facebook page and refresh, you can watch the likes drop off by the second. It's kind of fun.



What a boring life you have

[underdog]

What a boring life you have

I'm stuck at work with nothing to do.

[Furtherman]

If you go to Romney's facebook page and refresh, you can watch the likes drop off by the second. It's kind of fun.

HA! It's true.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mitt is going to be fine. He's got a quarter of a billion in net worth.

[brettmojo]

Mitt is going to be fine. He's got a quarter of a billion in net worth that we know about.

http://timebusinessblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/2100_biz_cayman_0724.jpg?w=360&h=240&crop=1

[epo]

Boehner puts on a better act of crying.

Quit being such an ass.

[Kevin]

If this is true, I commend Mossad on actually being smart and not listening to Dick Chaney Jr and his dangerous war mongering.

Link (http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/09/did-the-israeli-military-defy-pm-netanyahu/?hpt=hp_c2)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So the Persians shoot down one of our drones last week and we just find out today. Gotta hand it to the administration for being slick


Meanwhile a few hours after Bin laden was killed Obama couldn't wait to dance and piss on his corpse

[razorboy]

They didn't shoot down a drone, they shot at and missed a drone. By all means though, don't let facts slow you down.

[Kevin]

They didn't shoot down a drone, they shot at and missed a drone. By all means though, don't let facts slow you down.

Bah

What are facts?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My bad


However they still waited till after the election. Most transparent administration ever

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bah

What are facts?



Facts like the GM bailout being a success?

[Kevin]

Facts like the GM bailout being a success?

Yes

Because it was a fact.

[Snoogans]

My bad


However they still waited till after the election. Most transparent administration ever

and yet they still won

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes

Because it was a fact.



A 24 billion loss is a fact

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and yet they still won



Johnson Huntsman 2016

[hanso]

WF facts Lol

Parroted from Ext ring wing coinspircy blogs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF facts Lol

Parroted from Ext ring wing coinspircy blogs.

So the treasury dept is some crazy rt wing organization?

[Kevin]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/222505_277186205737955_1123186757_n.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not fair to compare Obama to Basketball players. Obama doesnt have any illigetimate kids that we know of

[Dude!]

i love how he throws
a baseball

[keithy_19]

Quit being such an ass.

Glenn Beck does it better than both of them.

[keithy_19]

Johnson Huntsman 2016

I'd love that ticket but it would be libertarian and therefore it would get at most 2% of the national vote. Granted if Obama makes pot more accesible then maybe they get less.

For the record Johnson and the libertarian's platform regarding drug legalization is only a small reason why I would support them. Gary Johnson said it right, he's just the "pot guy.":wallbash:

[Furtherman]

Burp

[keithy_19]

Burp
.

I just saw that you were on and I was going to say, "hey Furtherman, you drunk?"

[Furtherman]

Yea... Good times. Hope you are well after thes
e two weeks of madnes

[keithy_19]

Yea... Good times. Hope you are well after thes
e two weeks of madnes

It was rough but I can't complain. While it was extremely cold it cold have been so much worse. I had a roof over my head and a lot of blankets. I'm glad you are having a good time.

And with that I'm going to bed. I'll probably stumble unto this thread tomorrow night (tonight) (In fact I'm pretty postive I will).

[KnoxHarrington]

Great article about how conservative media is killing conservatism:

For a long time, liberals envied conservatives their media, the echo chamber capable of whipping up stories out of nothing and forcing the mainstream media to pay attention, capable of keeping their troops in line and bucking up their morale, capable of quickly disseminating messages far and wide, creating new stars and enforcing discipline. But perhaps it’s time to look at the conservative media as a weakness, even the right’s Achilles’ Heel.

It isn’t only that their media cause them to delude themselves; the effects sometimes bleed out beyond their brains. Consider the single most damaging moment for Mitt Romney in this election, the 47 percent tape. Where did Romney learn that number, wrapped as it was in an argument about the shocking numbers of Americans who mooch off the efforts of virtuous hard-working job creators? He almost certainly got it from Fox or conservative talk radio, where it had been in wide circulation for some time, and if it wasn’t directly from listening to Limbaugh or Hannity, it came to him from somebody who did.

And it looks like Romney's reliance on this sort of narrative caused him to run his campaign poorly, as he seems to have believed that the "MSM" was "skewing" the polls to make it look like Obama had a lead...which, of course, as it turns out, Obama did, since the final results really turned out like the "skewed" polls said they would.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/10/is_the_conservative_media_killing_conservatives/

[spoon]

ain't that the truth...
i hear them Mormons
let their women folk drive cars!

crazy, crazy religion

oh dude!, you always get right down my REAL point don't you

If there is anything the Mormons are know for it's surely women's rights!

Mitt carried that forward to his campaign too!

:wallbash:

[spoon]

Protestantism is a Jesus cult
Islam is a mohammed cult
Catholicism is a Mary cult



this again pains me, but I agree on the first part of his post here

all religion is basically cult mentality based on what you are fucking told/born into usually

trying to talk rationally to someone about their religion is all but impossible...I have to have faith is usually the answer to almost every part that can't be proven and or explained

faith is a bad song by George Michael to me, or a shitty stripper name

[spoon]

So the deal they are getting now is actually dropping the high rates of dropping out of HS or having children out of wedlock or having their unemployment rate about 40% more than the Nat'l avg?

They are getting something different to what they are getting now. Why not do some outreach especially with some prominent Hispanics like Rubio and Martinez. Theyre not doing so great voting 70% for the Dems

so you extrapolate they are doing poorly DUE TO voting Dem predominately? HA!

no other factors left out there right!?

wow

[spoon]

Making Rubio the face of the party would be a overwhelming failure. It's GOP tokenism at it's worst. He's the same old guard with a slightly darker complexion. He has the same prehistoric view on social issues that were shot down so dramatically in this election. Even assuming he got you a larger portion of the Hispanic vote, he'll incense other racial minorities, gays and women. Until there is a sea change in the nutty social doctrine of the party the GOP will have a difficult time winning the collective majority that spoke up this year and the Republicans will continue to be a self-defeating mess.

this is much more rational

sure they'll get a slight bump bc people do respond to their own kind easier on the surface, but when the facts are out there he'll do very little in the end...surely not change anything just as Thomas didn't help the Republican with african americans and Rice with Latinos. It's the issues, not the figure heads. If Mitt stayed to his more moderate beliefs instead of flip flopping all over the place he'd of had a much better shot and still would have won the nom, just not as easily (which they still ultimately didn't want him).

[spoon]

I've always maintained that religions are cults. Mormonism is just a more modern one. At least you're admitting religion is a cult. Are you getting caught up in the wave of conservative change that will come if the party is to survive? How would you predict that outcome?

Goodnight
troll.

And that's just it Further, the more modern religions all get knocked around bc they can easily be disproven and ridiculed due to our advances and it being so recent. The older, more indoctrinated dogmas are all so old, so distant, that they are just accepted on faith and throughout generations to hold up the masses with hope of something better. A crutch if you will, and an escape/excuse for leaders as well when they fail or need something (another religion/faith) to blame as they fleece their own people and control them.

[spoon]

it's afternoon

for the first time, dude nailed furtherman!

:annoyed: damn you for making him have a point stick!

[spoon]

Another Bush


http://news.yahoo.com/next-bush-makes-campaign-filing-texas-041025927.html

So the party is working on what the party "needs" versus what the people actually do. Being he's of half Mexican decent, yet has that nice lineage as well, they see an opportunity here and have already moved to address the hispanic vote issues. Too bad it's almost exactly what we just stated about Rubio, perhaps worse. It's fitting someone into the picture to drive the same old views, not the other way around.

[spoon]

Petraeus resigns from CIA


Not sure if it was due to Benghazi fallout or maybe he just wants to retire

yah those or it is what it fucking is

[spoon]

They didn't shoot down a drone, they shot at and missed a drone. By all means though, don't let facts slow you down.

the never do

[spoon]

Not fair to compare Obama to Basketball players. Obama doesnt have any illigetimate kids that we know of

and THERE YOU go

wf at his finest

[spoon]

I'd love that ticket but it would be libertarian and therefore it would get at most 2% of the national vote. Granted if Obama makes pot more accesible then maybe they get less.

For the record Johnson and the libertarian's platform regarding drug legalization is only a small reason why I would support them. Gary Johnson said it right, he's just the "pot guy.":wallbash:

i can't take the libertarian stance overall on government being all but useless as they run for just that

i know they aren't all the same, but most just want to deconstruct both the national and state govs in a huge way and I'm not of the belief that that is even close to the right answer. i surely DO NOT trust the free market to police itself on anything, much less corruption, environmental policy/protection and worker's rights.

[spoon]

Great article about how conservative media is killing conservatism:

For a long time, liberals envied conservatives their media, the echo chamber capable of whipping up stories out of nothing and forcing the mainstream media to pay attention, capable of keeping their troops in line and bucking up their morale, capable of quickly disseminating messages far and wide, creating new stars and enforcing discipline. But perhaps it’s time to look at the conservative media as a weakness, even the right’s Achilles’ Heel.

It isn’t only that their media cause them to delude themselves; the effects sometimes bleed out beyond their brains. Consider the single most damaging moment for Mitt Romney in this election, the 47 percent tape. Where did Romney learn that number, wrapped as it was in an argument about the shocking numbers of Americans who mooch off the efforts of virtuous hard-working job creators? He almost certainly got it from Fox or conservative talk radio, where it had been in wide circulation for some time, and if it wasn’t directly from listening to Limbaugh or Hannity, it came to him from somebody who did.

And it looks like Romney's reliance on this sort of narrative caused him to run his campaign poorly, as he seems to have believed that the "MSM" was "skewing" the polls to make it look like Obama had a lead...which, of course, as it turns out, Obama did, since the final results really turned out like the "skewed" polls said they would.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/10/is_the_conservative_media_killing_conservatives/

Sounds like the WFool playbook to me.

[spoon]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1199372.1352466813!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/geocommons.jpg

Let's just call this the WF twitter follower's map. (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/map-pinpoints-election-online-hate-tweets-article-1.1199402)

and way to go south, you never let us down

i find it funny that some of the northwest has little activity overall, probably bc they just got commodore 64's out there and twitter is years away

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1199372.1352466813!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/geocommons.jpg

Let's just call this the WF twitter follower's map. (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/map-pinpoints-election-online-hate-tweets-article-1.1199402)

and way to go south, you never let us down

i find it funny that some of the northwest has little activity overall, probably bc they just got commodore 64's out there and twitter is years away

Never let biasness get in your way. You know what, the woman who called Obama a nigger and threatened him with violence, she deserves to have the Secret service visit her.


However there would have been tons of anti white and anti Romney shit posted but as usual you never let your one sidedness ge the best of you. Plus go to my twitter feed I have made no such comments, Hell I havent even even tweeted in about 2 months at least. Spoonfed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and THERE YOU go

wf at his finest

Its a joke Helmet head. Can't you see the difference btwn that and threats?


You can not be that stupid!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Virtually nothing in big sky country in regards to those tweets

[spoon]

Never let biasness get in your way. You know what, the woman who called Obama a nigger and threatened him with violence, she deserves to have the Secret service visit her.


However there would have been tons of anti white and anti Romney shit posted but as usual you never let your one sidedness ge the best of you. Spoonfed

my bias!? ha!

so I can't post a disgusting recent story here linked to the way you speak without showing bias?!

I'm just one sided for posting that story huh? and anit-romney shit is just that, anti-romney shit

you circular logic is hilarious

oh I so wish this one sidedness wouldn't get the best of me!

:lol::lol::lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i can't take the libertarian stance overall on government being all but useless as they run for just that

i know they aren't all the same, but most just want to deconstruct both the national and state govs in a huge way and I'm not of the belief that that is even close to the right answer. i surely DO NOT trust the free market to police itself on anything, much less corruption, environmental policy/protection and worker's rights.

There are certain aspects that should be left to government specifically on the federal level.


If you have no faith in the free market, then how do you continue believe that the government is capable of anything say running a railroad or a retirement system and when it fucks up, the typical solution is, just have another bureaucracy on top of that so we can hire more paper pushers and pay out more salaries and have more taxpayer funded pensions. It never fucking ends

[spoon]

Its a joke Helmet head. Can't you see the difference btwn that and threats?


You can not be that stupid!!!!

no really, you're a racist

that's the stupid in this equation, that you don't even know it

[spoon]

There are certain aspects that should be left to government specifically on the federal level.


If you have no faith in the free market, then how do you continue believe that the government is capable of anything say running a railroad or a retirement system and when it fucks up, the typical solution is, just have another bureaucracy on top of that so we can hire more paper pushers and pay out more salaries and have more taxpayer funded pensions. It never fucking ends

you make little sense...nah, none

much less an idea of my continued beliefs

[WRESTLINGFAN]

my bias!? ha!

so I can't post a disgusting recent story here linked to the way you speak without showing bias?!

I'm just one sided for posting that story huh? and anit-romney shit is just that, anti-romney shit

you circular logic is hilarious

oh I so wish this one sidedness wouldn't get the best of me!

:lol::lol::lol:

No objection to you posting that link and whoever makes threats then they should be dealt with. Im for freedom of speech but there are limits.

Sure it was just anti Romney shit


http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-supporters-on-twitter-step-up-threats-to-riot-if-romney-wins

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no really, you're a racist

that's the stupid in this equation, that you don't even know it

No Spoonfed It's a joke.



Dont see the difference?


You would probably say racist if I made fun of his mom jeans at the 2009 AS Game

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you make little sense...nah, none

much less an idea of my continued beliefs

You made no sense when you have no faith in the free market to police itself


So should the gov't only allow coke to be sold and ban pepsi if there was a cyanide outbreak?? Your statement clearly validates that

[spoon]

No objection to you posting that link and whoever makes threats then they should be dealt with. Im for freedom of speech but there are limits.

Sure it was just anti Romney shit


http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-supporters-on-twitter-step-up-threats-to-riot-if-romney-wins

hey ass, I quoted you writing anti-romney shit and it's just that when it's ANIT-ROMNEY shit

you act like I even TRIED to say there aren't idiots on twitter for any angle...twitter as a whole fucking blows

yet this diversionary tactic is fucking old, as there is a HUGE difference bt what you posted and my fucking point. but again, why keep in touch or on topic

i must hate whites and support rioting bc I disdain racism

got it

[spoon]

No objection to you posting that link and whoever makes threats then they should be dealt with. Im for freedom of speech but there are limits.

Sure it was just anti Romney shit


http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-supporters-on-twitter-step-up-threats-to-riot-if-romney-wins

hey ass, I quoted you writing anti-romney shit and it's just that when it's ANIT-ROMNEY shit

you act like I even TRIED to say there aren't idiots on twitter for any angle...twitter as a whole fucking blows

yet this diversionary tactic is fucking old, as there is a HUGE difference bt what you posted and my fucking point. but again, why keep in touch or on topic...and nobody said a thing about free speech or that the racist can't actually say their disgusting things

i must hate whites and support rioting bc I disdain racism

got it

[spoon]

No Spoonfed It's a joke.



Dont see the difference?


You would probably say racist if I made fun of his mom jeans at the 2009 AS Game

nope, those that make racist cunt statements all over the board don't just get to make racial jokes and have them taken as such...there's something evil and pathetic behind your posts in this fashion, not racial humor like that of people actually poking fun at each other

you, obviously see the differences, bc that's what you clearly focus on between peoples.

and your mom jeans comment is just a sorry and pathetic joke, not racial you unfunny fool

[spoon]

You made no sense when you have no faith in the free market to police itself


So should the gov't only allow coke to be sold and ban pepsi if there was a cyanide outbreak?? Your statement clearly validates that

clearly

and clearly my point as well

:wacko:


quite simply you're a fool and debate is useless when you make up things in your head (for my views) and can't formulate a thought on your own (for your views)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

hey ass, I quoted you writing anti-romney shit and it's just that when it's ANIT-ROMNEY shit

you act like I even TRIED to say there aren't idiots on twitter for any angle...twitter as a whole fucking blows

yet this diversionary tactic is fucking old, as there is a HUGE difference bt what you posted and my fucking point. but again, why keep in touch or on topic

i must hate whites and support rioting bc I disdain racism

got it

What do you mean its just anti Romney shit? Is it less reprehensible than the vile anti Obama tweets?


You tried to associate me with those people mostly concentrated in the south by linking it to some WF linked tweet theory and got called out on it.

[spoon]

What do you mean its just anti Romney shit? Is it less reprehensible than the vile anti Obama tweets?


You tried to associate me with those people mostly concentrated in the south by linking it to some WF linked tweet theory and got called out on it.

here we go again

reread my post

i associated you to racism and it fits

called out on it? nah, you tried to say I can't post THAT story unless I post more on other issues not being addressed and formulated some bullshit on my views bc I simply wasn't commenting on them. You're a fool.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Congrats Florida, you finally finished counting votes 4 days later.


Speaking of which Obama's landslide is even bigger. He won FL

[spoon]

you have clearly earned that association here in my eyes and you've done zero to alleviate them here

[spoon]

Congrats Florida, you finally finished counting votes 4 days later.


Speaking of which Obama's landslide is even bigger. He won FL

and congrats on your first post without some bullshit sprinkled in

i'm surprised there wasn't an anti-hispanic message in there, or perhaps a black joke on voting patterns!?

come on WF, you're losing your touch

[WRESTLINGFAN]

here we go again

reread my post

i associated you to racism and it fits

called out on it? nah, you tried to say I can't post THAT story unless I post more on other issues not being addressed and formulated some bullshit on my views bc I simply wasn't commenting on them. You're a fool.



You didnt associate anything.


You tried and failed and your ignorance showed.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and congrats on your first post without some bullshit sprinkled in

i'm surprised there wasn't an anti-hispanic message in there, or perhaps a black joke on voting patterns!?

come on WF, you're losing your touch

No. Im taking the high road and not going on some crazy conspiracy route like 12 years ago when some dumb Texan supposedly stole Florida.

We would not have been bogged down in Iraq but thats another argument.

[epo]

Congrats Florida, you finally finished counting votes 4 days later.


Speaking of which Obama's landslide is even bigger. He won FL

Florida is a perfect example of why we need to set some national election standards.

It's obvious that some states can't be left to their own devises.

[KnoxHarrington]

Florida is a perfect example of why we need to set some national election standards.

It's obvious that some states can't be left to their own devises.

It's just good that the election didn't hinge on that shithole like in 2000.

[Snoogans]

i think this WF/Spoon fight is the longest continuous single thread fight in the history of the world

im impressed

[cougarjake13]

idk

any longer then bulldogcakes vs spoon ?

[Snoogans]

idk

any longer then bulldogcakes vs spoon ?

in one thread yea. BDC woulda left the board 4 times by now in this thread.

Miss BDC. He was the best

[cougarjake13]

in one thread yea. BDC woulda left the board 4 times by now in this thread.

Miss BDC. He was the best

yeh I wonder what's he's doing

[Snoogans]

yeh I wonder what's he's doing

he calls WFAN ALOT. Also last i saw like a year ago he was still writing a shitty blog for yankeeuniverse.com

[spoon]

You didnt associate anything.


You tried and failed and your ignorance showed.

the amount of stupid fucking shit you make up in your head is impressive AND hilarious!

the only failure here is your ability to comprehend the written word or stay on track

ignorance on the other hand, you are the expert

[spoon]

i think this WF/Spoon fight is the longest continuous single thread fight in the history of the world

im impressed

idk

any longer then bulldogcakes vs spoon ?

the bdc tiffs never lasted long, as he'd either cry to a mod (at least WF doesn't pull that card) or ran for the hills

and he is a wfan nut case and mike lover due to their similar stances on everything yankees

does he still have that blog?

anyone have some pictures from our last homer debate I posted which ultimately led to him leaving for good. you know, the one where he tried to tell me all three of Joba, Hughes and Kennedy were going to be Aces and he posted the pic of the dead blue jay to offend me? Well at least he was close! :lol:

[spoon]

Miss BDC.

that pretty much sums "him" up

[spoon]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1199372.1352466813!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/geocommons.jpg

Let's just call this the WF twitter follower's map. (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/map-pinpoints-election-online-hate-tweets-article-1.1199402)

and way to go south, you never let us down

i find it funny that some of the northwest has little activity overall, probably bc they just got commodore 64's out there and twitter is years away

You didnt associate anything.


You tried and failed and your ignorance showed.

You're right, not once did I associate a thing to you...or perhaps in that VERY FUCKING LINK YOU FOOL. You nailed me on the solid point I didn't show the anti-white tweets not reported and it clearly means I hate whites and I'm one-sided against my own race. Not that I was just disgusted with a clear divide and lack of understanding of an area of this country...more an outright bullshit hate still brewing. Somehow you then found a way to go literal on how you don't tweet of late, versus getting the fucking point as per the norm.

[A.J.]

i think this WF/Spoon fight is the longest continuous single thread fight in the history of the world

im impressed

It's getting to this level.

http://listentoleon.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/family-guy-peter-chicken-fighting.jpg

[A.J.]

the bdc tiffs never lasted long, as he'd either cry to a mod (at least WF doesn't pull that card) or ran for the hills

and he is a wfan nut case and mike lover due to their similar stances on everything yankees

does he still have that blog?

anyone have some pictures from our last homer debate I posted which ultimately led to him leaving for good. you know, the one where he tried to tell me all three of Joba, Hughes and Kennedy were going to be Aces and he posted the pic of the dead blue jay to offend me? Well at least he was close! :lol:

Kennedy IS an ace - in Arizona!