2012 POTUS and Congress General election off-season thread

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Christie should have delegated the appointment to the state legislature like how the senate was intended.

Thanks Woodrow, you advocated for the 17th as well as 16th

[hanso]

I guess you never heard all the goofy shit Biden has been saying

Lets see you keep up with Biden or other daily quotes.

Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant (R) on Tuesday asserted that America had become “so mediocre” after women started leaving the home to earn a living.

Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) on Tuesday suggested that the “hormone level created by nature” was to blame for rapes in the military

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't agree what they say

The excuse with Biden is oh it's Biden being Biden

Over the last 4 decades his wacky lines could fill a binder

I know it's not covered as much. Remember Sheila Jackson Lee saying its racist Hurricanes don't have black names ?

There was a 2 bit state senator in Louisiana who made the argument that opposition to Obamacare is racism


That was last week

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know he's not a politician but it doesn't sound like a champion of civil rights to advocate jailing opponents of the president

That is Belafontes view

[Pitdoc]

More from the most honest open and transparent administration ever


http://news.yahoo.com/top-political-appointees-secret-email-accounts-110629957.html


Any way possible to help prevent paper trails and accountability

So is Sebellius' alter ego Cruella@hhs.gov ?

So, a not-known-to-the-public e-mail address, that is FULLY open to congressional & FOIA requests is not being transparent ? Maybe they just don't want the latest appointee getting 2000 "God hates fags" e-mails a day , which is what WOULD happen .By the way, what's YOUR private e-mail address? I have some friends who want to send you some messages...:devil2:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

These smartest people on the planet are supposed to be superior to us but not smart enough to have email filters and spam folders?

The excuses made here in defense of these useless bureaucrats knows no limits

[WRESTLINGFAN]

McCain and his boy toy Graham must be thrilled that soon to be UN Ambassador is a big time interventionalist. Their next adventure in Syria just might happen.

[Syd]

These smartest people on the planet are supposed to be superior to us but not smart enough to have email filters and spam folders?

The excuses made here in defense of these useless bureaucrats knows no limits

yeah because the last time the government used a filter to ease workload ended up a bunch of political groups being upset they were being looked into for not actually being social welfare groups

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yeah because the last time the government used a filter to ease workload ended up a bunch of political groups being upset they were being looked into for not actually being social welfare groups



Maybe they don't want their lavish hotel room reservations and luxury box seats for Angels games being sent to their gov't email addresses

[hanso]

McCain traveled to Syria on Memorial Day weekend and met with rebels who he claims he can spot the good from the bad. When he got there McCain posed for a photo with rebels involved in a high-profile kidnapping case.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/did-john-mccain-pose-with-two-known-kidnappers-in-syria/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's the typical , We love America, we give them weapons and they eventually turn them on us


Fuck McCain!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Where are the calls of racism towards FLOTUS when she was heckled by a white woman ?

[hanso]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Recovery Summer!!!!!

All praise and perpetual light shine on Barack

UE 7.6 %

[Syd]

Recovery Summer!!!!!

All praise and perpetual light shine on Barack

UE 7.6 %

People are doing just fine: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/economy/corporate-profits-soar-as-worker-income-limps.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's a new guilded age especially if you are living near Versailles on the Potomac. Their housing market is doing great due to the lobbyists and corporations in bed with the DC machine.

The ruling class offer up sob stories while feasting and gorging themselves and their corporate masters

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama trying to defend this NSA scandal today looked incoherent

His speech defending Obamacare was an embarrassment , he's going to LA to whore that piece of shit bill to Spanish speaking media. Might as well con the ignorant illegal rubes into drinking his snake oil

[sailor]

Obama trying to defend this NSA scandal today looked incoherent

His speech defending Obamacare was an embarrassment , he's going to LA to whore that piece of shit bill to Spanish speaking media. Might as well con the ignorant illegal rubes into drinking his snake oil

Enough with the euphemisms, Jenny!

[spoon]

welcome to the wonderful world of wfuckwad

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The UE rate isn't the only dismal report. This week the ISM index came out, that measures manufacturing index and it was nothing stellar

Barack is squawking about the housing market. Well what the dummy won't say that there are many short sales going on, furthermore housing comprises only a small percentage of the economy


Nevermind , it's Wreck-overy Summer part 4

[spoon]

The UE rate isn't the only dismal report. This week the ISM index came out, that measures manufacturing index and it was nothing stellar

Barack is squawking about the housing market. Well what the dummy won't say that there are many short sales going on, furthermore housing comprises only a small percentage of the economy


Nevermind , it's Wreck-overy Summer part 4

first off, short sales are WAYYYYY down and this part of the market at least has FINALLY somewhat stabilized and surely heading in the right direction. This was the only thing to do well under W, and we all know what was going on to falsely make this the case.

we had an abundance of homes that people rightly couldn't afford and when the bubble burst, the problem in terms of inventory only magnified, much less the loan structure/regulation changed everything too.

it's just so interesting, everything good, BULLSHIT

everything bad, OBAMA!!! clear as day

you're not to be taken seriously...on any topic but perhaps your boy dress up thread and namesake, WRESTLING

and I'm sure plenty would probably argue against that

[spoon]

Nevermind , it's Wreck-overy Summer part 4

and yah...awful

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea

4.5 years in and 2% avg GDP growth

It is awful


This president can not be taken seriously as he talks on both sides of his mouth

He says the war on Turr must end but let's keep the data mining going

I wonder if Obama phones are monitored.

[hanso]

People are doing just fine: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/economy/corporate-profits-soar-as-worker-income-limps.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Pay has lagged going back, what? 35 years?

[hanso]

first off, short sales are WAYYYYY down and this part of the market at least has FINALLY somewhat stabilized and surely heading in the right direction. This was the only thing to do well under W, and we all know what was going on to falsely make this the case.

we had an abundance of homes that people rightly couldn't afford and when the bubble burst, the problem in terms of inventory only magnified, much less the loan structure/regulation changed everything too.

it's just so interesting, everything good, BULLSHIT

everything bad, OBAMA!!! clear as day

you're not to be taken seriously...on any topic but perhaps your boy dress up thread and namesake, WRESTLING

and I'm sure plenty would probably argue against that

They were dealing paperless deeds with no records what a cluster F

[hanso]

Yea

4.5 years in and 2% avg GDP growth

It is awful


This president can not be taken seriously as he talks on both sides of his mouth

He says the war on Turr must end but let's keep the data mining going

I wonder if Obama phones are monitored.

Why do you keep harping on the GDP? You also did same over the market, it would seem these are two factors that could be taken in the same light.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why do I bother explaining?

Here goes .

This is the worst "recovery" in about 70 years. I'm sure you know what GDP means

This president will be in office over 50 months and after all that was borrowed printed and every other scheme devised this is the best we could do?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

first off, short sales are WAYYYYY down and this part of the market at least has FINALLY somewhat stabilized and surely heading in the right direction. This was the only thing to do well under W, and we all know what was going on to falsely make this the case.

we had an abundance of homes that people rightly couldn't afford and when the bubble burst, the problem in terms of inventory only magnified, much less the loan structure/regulation changed everything too.

it's just so interesting, everything good, BULLSHIT

everything bad, OBAMA!!! clear as day

you're not to be taken seriously...on any topic but perhaps your boy dress up thread and namesake, WRESTLING

and I'm sure plenty would probably argue against that



Everything that reported as "good" is just fluff headlines to keep the rubes uninformed and make them think Super Barack has saved us .


The skirts on cnbc and the quasi coke head Cramer go on tv and squawk that everything is better


Your namesake? Just being fed the mountain of bullshit spewed

[hanso]

Why do I bother explaining?

Here goes .

This is the worst "recovery" in about 70 years. I'm sure you know what GDP means

This president will be in office over 50 months and after all that was borrowed printed and every other scheme devised this is the best we could do?

This is the worst recession in about 70 years. My point is you using GDP as an indicator is no better than any others, yet it is the one you point to maybe so you can use those what seem to be low % points for what ever period.


No, I don't want to get into a discussion over what GDP is or is not. That is why I took back (edited ) any comments over it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

GDP as an indicator is a major factor in a recovery

Can you honestly say that things are so great that it's something to brag about? High unemployment , a 30% rise in food stamp use, the rate of people going on disability

[hanso]

GDP as an indicator is a major factor in a recovery

Can you honestly say that things are so great that it's something to brag about? High unemployment , a 30% rise in food stamp use, the rate of people going on disability

I could say it is not, we have more of a world market with not as much Industry/manufacturing now rendering that outdated. IMO

However I'm sure the results themselfs are mixed, as well as what they can mean.

Could also list some positive indicators to counter yours but won't.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So is this the best we could do? Our current environment should be the new normal ?

Those positive items like the auto bailout and stock mkt when you dig deeper are not positive at all


When compared to the 3rd world yea, things are great. We can still get a burrito at 3am

[spoon]

So is this the best we could do? Our current environment should be the new normal ?

Those positive items like the auto bailout and stock mkt when you dig deeper are not positive at all


When compared to the 3rd world yea, things are great. We can still get a burrito at 3am

CONGRATS on posting this ONE HUNDRED TIMES!

since it was in response to Hanso, he wins the $50 gift check to Whole Foods from WF!

[Syd]

So is this the best we could do? Our current environment should be the new normal ?

Those positive items like the auto bailout and stock mkt when you dig deeper are not positive at all


When compared to the 3rd world yea, things are great. We can still get a burrito at 3am

So you're proposing a centrally planned economy, but only because it's the opposite of Obama. Gotcha.

[spoon]

and remember, there is only up from here...there was no way it could have gone worse outside of OBAMA!

[hanso]

I made an edit about GDP that it was IMO

However I'm sure the results themselfs are mixed, as well as what they can mean.


No, not the new norm, things well get better when it gets better. And it will cover many factors. There is no need for drastic changes that will only make things worse

[spoon]

I made an edit about GDP that it was IMO

However I'm sure the results themselfs are mixed, as well as what they can mean.


No, not the new norm, things well get better when it gets better. And it will cover many factors. There is no need for drastic changes that will only make things worse

no no, privatize everything...including the government

corps are people too and they simply don't have enough power in this era

[hanso]

and remember, there is only up from here...there was no way it could have gone worse outside of OBAMA!

keynesian dat mofo up

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you're proposing a centrally planned economy, but only because it's the opposite of Obama. Gotcha.



Nope

I'm proposing killing the Keynesian philosophy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no no, privatize everything...including the government

corps are people too and they simply don't have enough power in this era



Wrong!!!

Operate within the limits of the 18 enumerated powers


Yea corps like GM, GE , Monsanto and ADM

You've seen me post numerous times saying that Obamas a corporatist

Good try

[WRESTLINGFAN]

CONGRATS on posting this ONE HUNDRED TIMES!

since it was in response to Hanso, he wins the $50 gift check to Whole Foods from WF!



I'm a Fairway guy

[hanso]

Nope

I'm proposing killing the Keynesian philosophy.

That's one of the ways this moderate republican in the house is conducting business.

[spoon]

Wrong!!!

Operate within the limits of the 18 enumerated powers


Yea corps like GM, GE , Monsanto and ADM

You've seen me post numerous times saying that Obamas a corporatist

Good try

WF, let's just cut out the middle man baby!

Obama even fucks up fucking shit up WF style!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's one of the ways this moderate republican in the house is conducting business.


I am probably one of the few detractors that don't call Obama a Commie Muslim Atheist .


He's a corporatist just like many of his predecessors. He does envision a Western European social democracy

[spoon]

I'm a Fairway guy

No shit...you repeat everything rainman.

are you a good driver?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No shit...you repeat everything rainman.

are you a good driver?



Yes I am Spoonman

[spoon]

I am probably one of the few detractors that don't call Obama a Commie Muslim Atheist .




well that should put you as a top line thinker in the party

way to have such high standards not jumping on idiotic shit...such a great calling card

wf "At least I'm not COMPLETELY a fucking tool...just a fucking tool."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well that should put you as a top line thinker in the party

way to have such high standards not jumping on idiotic shit...such a great calling card

wf "At least I'm not COMPLETELY a fucking tool...just a fucking tool."


You sound like the fool when always trying to link me to the party and constantly being shot down

You're like a MiGspoon

[hanso]

I am probably one of the few detractors that don't call Obama a Commie Muslim Atheist .


He's a corporatist just like many of his predecessors. He does envision a Western European social democracy

He has put many of his predecessors lackeys to work for him, and they have drawn plans or just rehashed old ones. I see no European anything.

Maybe the NYC mayor does, someone tell him there are speed rails that go faster than rental bikes.

[spoon]

You sound like the fool when always trying to link me to the party and constantly being shot down

You're like a MiGspoon

oh you can claim anything you like, but you surely are nothing but a fool and line up with that party plenty

but you hate the sacrificial lambs and like offshoots like Gary Johnson...great

like I said, just a fucking tool

we'll upgrade you when you start sucking Reagan's dick and hypocritically hate on gay rights

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He's pushing Universal PreK, He wants hi speed rail, he wanted a public option, he's on the green energy kick

I don't see him pushing to ban big sodas on a national scale. I'll give him that

[spoon]

and in many cases like immigration, government and education you are often WORSE

[WRESTLINGFAN]

oh you can claim anything you like, but you surely are nothing but a fool and line up with that party plenty

but you hate the sacrificial lambs and like offshoots like Gary Johnson...great

like I said, just a fucking tool

we'll upgrade you when you start sucking Reagan's dick and hypocritically hate on gay rights


Who is we that you speak of? I would love to know more about the oracle

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and in many cases like immigration, government and education you are often WORSE



You are often WRONG

[hanso]

He's pushing Universal PreK, He wants hi speed rail, he wanted a public option, he's on the green energy kick

I don't see him pushing to ban big sodas on a national scale. I'll give him that

Those are European only in that it was implemented there and that we are left behind. About the only thing I give Bush kudos for is that he did set up some alt. energy funding at the ass end of his time in office and even made some speeches about it.

Those other things are just proposals or bargaining chips

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Look at Western Europe now. Decades of being rifed with welfare states you have 25% UE in countries like Spain

There are no austerity measures there , They are reducing the rate of spending just like here but it's the same sob stories.

Every day here it's whoa is me that poor Mexican migrants can't feed their anchor babies while we try to buy friends with foreign aid and piss 2 billion a week 8000 miles away

[hanso]

You know WF I'm on your side about being like Europe. When it comes to the right running economies into the ground. There are austerity measures across EU and have been along time now.


You can edit your comment if you like (google)

This is one of the things keeping us ahead of the game.

[hanso]

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My dvr didn't get the The McLaughlin Group this last time. It was some muslim roundtable in full garb pat buchanan would have flipped.

Hey WF their talking about GDP

Bye bye!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can't they get younger people ?

Clift, Buchanan and McLaughlin have been around since Saladin was stopped at the Gates of Vienna

[spoon]

Who is we that you speak of? I would love to know more about the oracle

you really need help with that?

you're even more idiotic than I thought

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Remember when that nutbag Alan Grayson said the GOP wants people to die quickly?

How I wish someone had the cajones to turn Grayson's comment against the administration and say they want kids to die slowly.

That girl who needs a lung doesn't have too much time to live. Cruella Sebelius wouldn't grant a waiver because she's not 12. A federal judge intervened.

This is what happens when you have a powerful central government. Issues that should be handled on a state or local matter get grabbed by the Feds


Oh how Obamacare is going to be a major shit storm.

Since the Feds are involved. Why does the administration hate kids ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Reports are that Barack is going to have Holder look into the data mining scandal


Yippee. The administration investigating itself good job gumshoes

[Syd]

Remember when that nutbag Alan Grayson said the GOP wants people to die quickly?

How I wish someone had the cajones to turn Grayson's comment against the administration and say they want kids to die slowly.

That girl who needs a lung doesn't have too much time to live. Cruella Sebelius wouldn't grant a waiver because she's not 12. A federal judge intervened.

This is what happens when you have a powerful central government. Issues that should be handled on a state or local matter get grabbed by the Feds


Oh how Obamacare is going to be a major shit storm.

Since the Feds are involved. Why does the administration hate kids ?

The government doesn't determine waiting lists, the guidelines are set by doctors. I think this is an example of what happens when there isn't a powerful central government.

In May 2005, the lung allocation system changed in the United States. Previously, lung organs were allocated based primarily on the length of time waiting for a transplant. Under this first come first served algorithm, all potential candidates had the same urgency status on the waiting list and there was no mechanism to account for an individual candidate’s clinical deterioration.

https://secondwindstl.org/who-we-are/articles-by-dr-hacheem/the-lung-allocation-score-three-years-later/

etc, but keep on raging against Obama because you're pretty fucking clueless

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The government doesn't determine waiting lists, the guidelines are set by doctors. I think this is an example of what happens when there isn't a powerful central government.



https://secondwindstl.org/who-we-are/articles-by-dr-hacheem/the-lung-allocation-score-three-years-later/

etc, but keep on raging against Obama because you're pretty fucking clueless


Clueless like pointing out a congressman was begging Sebelius to intervene. She's the head of HHS if you didn't know. It's the administration picking and choosing what issues they want to insert themselves in


If there was someone in Gitmo who needed emergency treatment he would have it in a flash


Single Payer or die !!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sorry kid, you may not live. However taxpayers are billed if a convicted murderer needs a transplant

[Syd]

Clueless like pointing out a congressman was begging Sebelius to intervene. She's the head of HHS if you didn't know. It's the administration picking and choosing what issues they want to insert themselves in


If there was someone in Gitmo who needed emergency treatment he would have it in a flash


Single Payer or die !!!!

So Sebelius declined to intervene, and it's picking and choosing? This is Schiavo all over again when people like you want to pin some blame on Obama (or Democrats) and turn a 180 on your normal spiel solely for the sake of winning points.

It may well be that the rules about eligibility for lung transplants need an overhaul. But the laws of economics dictate that when a commodity is scarce, there are two ways of allocating it -- by price or by rationing. Organs are scarce. As Sebelius noted in response to a congressman demanding that she change the rules, 222 people are waiting for lung transplants in Sarah's region alone, including six children aged 10 and younger. Nationally, about 1,700 people are waiting for lung transplants, including 31 children 10 and younger. Lung transplants are very high risk -- only 50 percent of recipients survive longer than five years.

Deciding who among the desperately sick should get a lung or other organ when they become available is managed by a nonprofit called the United Network for Organ Sharing. UNOS has developed a complicated scoring procedure for those seeking a lung transplant that takes many matters into account, including how sick the patient is and how long he or she would be expected to survive post-transplant.

The statistics for people with cystic fibrosis are grim. A lung transplant is not a cure. CF ravages other organs, as well. A 2007 review of the data from the US Cystic Fibrosis Foundation found that the benefits of lung transplants for children with CF were hardly clear. Of the 248 children who got donor lungs between 1992 and 2002, only five were found to have benefitted significantly.

You know why those rules are in place? Right there.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Schiavo is a different situation. The congress didn't need to be called in. That was a state matter

In regards to this issue they just want a waiver granted. I wonder what Sebelius would do if it was her 10 year old

I'm all for updating and amending that provision. HHS saying that she's helpless in this scenario but will be given immense power under Obamacare is picking and choosing

[Syd]

Schiavo is a different situation. The congress didn't need to be called in. That was a state matter

In regards to this issue they just want a waiver granted. I wonder what Sebelius would do if it was her 10 year old

I'm all for updating and amending that provision. HHS saying that she's helpless in this scenario but will be given immense power under Obamacare is picking and choosing

Congress should be called in because it's the populist house.

Obamacare won't change it -- expanding insurance coverage has little, if anything, to do with how the transplant list is organized.

[foodcourtdruide]

Congress should be called in because it's the populist house.

Obamacare won't change it -- expanding insurance coverage has little, if anything, to do with how the transplant list is organized.

I can't believe you had to actually make this point.

[Pitdoc]

So Sebelius declined to intervene, and it's picking and choosing? This is Schiavo all over again when people like you want to pin some blame on Obama (or Democrats) and turn a 180 on your normal spiel solely for the sake of winning points.


Quote:
It may well be that the rules about eligibility for lung transplants need an overhaul. But the laws of economics dictate that when a commodity is scarce, there are two ways of allocating it -- by price or by rationing. Organs are scarce. As Sebelius noted in response to a congressman demanding that she change the rules, 222 people are waiting for lung transplants in Sarah's region alone, including six children aged 10 and younger. Nationally, about 1,700 people are waiting for lung transplants, including 31 children 10 and younger. Lung transplants are very high risk -- only 50 percent of recipients survive longer than five years.

Deciding who among the desperately sick should get a lung or other organ when they become available is managed by a nonprofit called the United Network for Organ Sharing. UNOS has developed a complicated scoring procedure for those seeking a lung transplant that takes many matters into account, including how sick the patient is and how long he or she would be expected to survive post-transplant.

The statistics for people with cystic fibrosis are grim. A lung transplant is not a cure. CF ravages other organs, as well. A 2007 review of the data from the US Cystic Fibrosis Foundation found that the benefits of lung transplants for children with CF were hardly clear. Of the 248 children who got donor lungs between 1992 and 2002, only five were found to have benefitted significantly.


You know why those rules are in place? Right there.

THIS.....Unfortunately, CF doesn't stop once you get a lung transplant. A kid might get a new set of lungs, & within 5 years might need a NEW set , because the disease is progressive . It's like an alcoholic liver recipient drinking like a fish again once he's got a new liver; should they get one in the first place (of course its different for CF patients)?

However, I'd rather this little girl get a new set of lungs as opposed to someone with lung cancer who smoked 3 packs a day.

Of course, if we made EVERYBODY organ donors , this problem would be solved. But I guess some hicks can't meet Jeebus or Yayway without all their parts....

[SonOfSmeagol]

the increased powers of the HHS Sec under obamacare in the case of services, rates, etc. is well documented. as for transplants, the petitioners had exactly ONE route to go for action - they had to go to one person, the HHS Sec, to get a waiver. that's some kinda power, no? and extremely unlikely to decrease under obamacare.

and there's this, a nice little indicator of how she views her powers

The HHS Sec wrote that some insurers have been attributing part of their 2011 premium increases to ObamaCare and warned that "there will be zero tolerance for this type of misinformation and unjustified rate increases." Zero tolerance for expressing an opinion, or offering an explanation to policyholders? They're more subtle than this in Caracas. (Sebelius Has a List)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The unelected IPAB under Obamacare .


That doesn't sound as scary as a death panel

[deliciousV]

THIS.....Unfortunately, CF doesn't stop once you get a lung transplant. A kid might get a new set of lungs, & within 5 years might need a NEW set , because the disease is progressive . It's like an alcoholic liver recipient drinking like a fish again once he's got a new liver; should they get one in the first place (of course its different for CF patients)?

However, I'd rather this little girl get a new set of lungs as opposed to someone with lung cancer who smoked 3 packs a day.

Of course, if we made EVERYBODY organ donors , this problem would be solved. But I guess some hicks can't meet Jeebus or Yayway without all their parts....

actually ALL of the so called "hick" religions encourage organ donation as an act of stewardship and charity, none believe that the physical body enters heaven. The people least likely to donate organs are Hispanics, for the exact reason you said, and Muslims, who cares why.

[hanso]

Can't they get younger people ?

Clift, Buchanan and McLaughlin have been around since Saladin was stopped at the Gates of Vienna

Mort Zuckerman is the man
John was extra cagey this show

The only other show I watch Cenk Uygur signs off like this guy 'Bye bye!' cracks me up

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mort Zuckerman is the man


The only other show I watch Cenk Uygur signs off like this guy 'Bye bye!' cracks me up


Cenk isn't a water carrier for the Dems. He calls them out all the time


They should change the layout of the show. Those extra people on set browsing the web aren't needed.


Other than that. It's a good show. Hopefully it will stay around after Current goes off

[hanso]

Cenk isn't a water carrier for the Dems. He calls them out all the time


They should change the layout of the show. Those extra people on set browsing the web aren't needed.


Other than that. It's a good show. Hopefully it will stay around after Current goes off

Was gonna say this as it seems you thought otherwise before over the President. He has railed on Obama for the last week over various items.

[sailor]

THIS.....Unfortunately, CF doesn't stop once you get a lung transplant. A kid might get a new set of lungs, & within 5 years might need a NEW set , because the disease is progressive . It's like an alcoholic liver recipient drinking like a fish again once he's got a new liver; should they get one in the first place (of course its different for CF patients)?

However, I'd rather this little girl get a new set of lungs as opposed to someone with lung cancer who smoked 3 packs a day.

Of course, if we made EVERYBODY organ donors , this problem would be solved. But I guess some hicks can't meet Jeebus or Yayway without all their parts....

But the argument really has nothing to do with the particular disease (correct me if I'm wrong - I've only read like one article on it) but about her being on the list if she was 12 and not on it now, even though her doctors say she'd be ok to have a transplant at this age. No ones looking to change any of the formulas for who places where on the list, they're just looking to make a few more kids eligible for the list in the first place.

[Syd]

I can't believe you had to actually make this point.

It's a grab-bag for anything bad that happens. Didn't want to see Kane score the game winning goal? Obamacare caused that 2 on 1!

[Syd]

But the argument really has nothing to do with the particular disease (correct me if I'm wrong - I've only read like one article on it) but about her being on the list if she was 12 and not on it now, even though her doctors say she'd be ok to have a transplant at this age. No ones looking to change any of the formulas for who places where on the list, they're just looking to make a few more kids eligible for the list in the first place.

So why not make it all the way to newborns? And extend the upper age limit? Put everyone on the list, make it more complicated. In the end, the same amount of lungs will be available and the same people will be prioritized for them.

[Pitdoc]

But the argument really has nothing to do with the particular disease (correct me if I'm wrong - I've only read like one article on it) but about her being on the list if she was 12 and not on it now, even though her doctors say she'd be ok to have a transplant at this age. No ones looking to change any of the formulas for who places where on the list, they're just looking to make a few more kids eligible for the list in the first place.

What happened today is the reason for age limits.The parents of ANOTHER girl who needs a lung transplant , hired the same lawyer as the original girl, and is arguing ,'Well, if SHE gets on the list, WE should too." So, ALL of the kids are going to say we should be on the list .And you don't see 45-year-olds on the news looking all adorable while they've been waiting for 2-3 years for a lung , because they aren't "news-worthy" . The solution isn't about erasing any limits ( that have been thoroughly discussed & argued with transplantation doctors) , but making everybody an organ donor , so we wouldn't have these shortages .

[Pitdoc]

actually ALL of the so called "hick" religions encourage organ donation as an act of stewardship and charity, none believe that the physical body enters heaven. The people least likely to donate organs are Hispanics, for the exact reason you said, and Muslims, who cares why.

Believe it or not , I didn't mean to imply it was religion causing this ( though some orthodox ones still do) . More the individual person who's a greedy prick who can't recycle because they think it's "icky" and "disrespectful " to the body. Can't count how many times parents didn't want to donate their kid's organ who just died in a car accident because of this.

[deliciousV]

Believe it or not , I didn't mean to imply it was religion causing this ( though some orthodox ones still do) . More the individual person who's a greedy prick who can't recycle because they think it's "icky" and "disrespectful " to the body. Can't count how many times parents didn't want to donate their kid's organ who just died in a car accident because of this.

that's a rough one.

[SonOfSmeagol]

It's a grab-bag for anything bad that happens. Didn't want to see Kane score the game winning goal? Obamacare caused that 2 on 1!

because Kane's right wing? :dry:

[sailor]

So why not make it all the way to newborns? And extend the upper age limit? Put everyone on the list, make it more complicated. In the end, the same amount of lungs will be available and the same people will be prioritized for them.

Because they're too small, obviously, which I take it is the reason the younger kids are kept off the adult list to begin with. The issue here is the doctors saying it would work for her; there is no medical reason she couldn't be on the adult list.

And pitdoc, again just from what I read, in this case they were looking to extend the age down for all, not just the one girl.

I get the need for limits, but if there's debate on what age/size is suitable, it can't hurt to look into it.

[Dude!]

lungs from aborted fetuses
for the kids!

[hanso]

A working ear can be 3d printed wonder how far if other organs are

[Syd]

There's work toward 3d printing complex organs, but it's not a feasible technology for the immediate future. It would use stem cells or other cells that can be coaxed into forming an organ which would prevent the need for immune suppressants.

[hanso]

Maybe they won't get rejected as much

[brettmojo]

I hope I'll live to see the day when they can 3d print me a muthafukin sammich.

[sailor]

I hope I'll live to see the day when they can 3d print me a muthafukin sammich.

NASA is funding a project to do just that. It's been all over the news anymore.

[Dude!]

NASA is funding a project to do just that. It's been all over the news anymore.

anymore?

[sailor]

anymore?

Nowadays.

[brettmojo]

NASA is funding a project to do just that. It's been all over the news anymore.

Better be able to do it with yellow mustard... Not that fancy brown crap.

[sailor]

Better be able to do it with yellow mustard... Not that fancy brown crap.

Now you sound like DS with that yellow mustard nonsense.

[spoon]

True. Yellow mustard is for savages and cunts.

[Dude!]

Nowadays.

closer, but the best choice
would be "recently"

[hanso]

I hope I'll live to see the day when they can 3d print me a muthafukin sammich.

I saw where it can do pizza...the sauce has a 30 year shelf life

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Must be tough being POTUS

Barack Jet sets to Miami for another fundraising event. Top donations will be more than 30 grand

Yup that Barack is lookin out for the average schlub

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Are things so bad for Markey that he needs Barack to stump for him ?

The fossil has been in office since Charlemagne was crowned

I know the GOP is old and white but the dems have their share

[WRESTLINGFAN]

McCain is getting his wish. We will be providing weapons to the Syrian rebels

The neo cons are salivating

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Great !!!

Let's expand the welfare state even more. The administration is considering to take in thousands of Syrians.


Once they come here they will go on the dole in a flash . Refugees and asylum seekers like the Tsarnaevs were given lavish benefits with almost no waiting period.


If they do come here they can settle in Dearborneistan Michigan

[foodcourtdruide]

Great !!!

Let's expand the welfare state even more. The administration is considering to take in thousands of Syrians.


Once they come here they will go on the dole in a flash . Refugees and asylum seekers like the Tsarnaevs were given lavish benefits with almost no waiting period.


If they do come here they can settle in Dearborneistan Michigan

Maybe the scenario will look more like it does now with current immigrants that come to this country (especially the illegal ones):
- They'll do all the really, really physically demanding/low paying jobs americans dont want to do.
- They'll only take a small percentage of the social services offered to their socio-economic counterparts.
- They'll still pay a considerable amount of taxes via sales (and in some cases property and income).
- They'll have to deal with the thinly veiled racism of anti-immigrant posters on radio message boards, who will probably mention that he dated a hispanic woman in his response to this comment.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe employers will say fuck you America and hire cheap labor

Maybe they will steal identities and pay income tax and get more back via EITC and illegally claim dependents

Maybe they will commit welfare and Medicaid fraud

Maybe they'll demand signs in Arabic and demand foot washing stations paid for by taxpayers


Maybe they will say death to the infidels but will accept wealth redistribution by the infidels


Maybe they'll have gullible board posters think it will be a positive outcome.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Psst. Was it racism pointing out that the Tsarnaevs who were on the dole for a decade were...,,

WHITE!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wonder if the smartest president ever found about this in the media along with everything else


http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=national&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57589367/cbs-news-confirms-sharyl-attkissons-computer-hacked/&feed_id=1&videoid=37&catid=57589367

[spoon]

Psst. Was it racism pointing out that the Tsarnaevs who were on the dole for a decade were...,,

WHITE!!!

True, in that case you hate them bc of their religion and lower class ranking. Race here is tied to a religion for you, enough to replace it hate wise.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I take issue with any religious self serving fanatics whether it be Jihadists or the Phelps nut jobs

[Syd]

Great !!!

Let's expand the welfare state even more. The administration is considering to take in thousands of Syrians.


Once they come here they will go on the dole in a flash . Refugees and asylum seekers like the Tsarnaevs were given lavish benefits with almost no waiting period.


If they do come here they can settle in Dearborneistan Michigan

literally has been happening since the beginning of America

nice of you to start complaining now that there's an atheicommunaziuslim black prez

[WRESTLINGFAN]

literally has been happening since the beginning of America

nice of you to start complaining now that there's an atheicommunaziuslim black prez

It was under a white Christian Texan that blew the lid off it

[epo]

Great !!!

Let's expand the welfare state even more. The administration is considering to take in thousands of Syrians.


Once they come here they will go on the dole in a flash . Refugees and asylum seekers like the Tsarnaevs were given lavish benefits with almost no waiting period.


If they do come here they can settle in Dearborneistan Michigan

I believe they are all headed for Connecticut.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe they will go to Wisconsin

Muslim refugees tend to like the upper Midwest

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't agree with maher that much but he was on point in regards to Obama giving arms to Syria

90,000 killed no biggie

150 killed by Chemical weapons. Oh no u didn't

[epo]

Maybe they will go to Wisconsin

Muslim refugees tend to like the upper Midwest

Wisconsin has refugees from Laos and they've been tremendous citizens of our state. Great people.

Unlike WF, we accept immigrants here in the Midwest and value their contributions to our society.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wisconsin has refugees from Laos and they've been tremendous citizens of our state. Great people.

Unlike WF, we accept immigrants here in the Midwest and value their contributions to our society.



We have a lot of immigrants from Japan here in CT. We are very welcoming of them. I wish more would settle here

Unlike the Hispanics they don't go on the dole

[PapaBear]

We have a lot of immigrants from Japan here in CT. We are very welcoming of them. I wish more would settle here

Unlike the Hispanics they don't go on the dole
I don't think there are many Japanese immigrants that were fleeing any kind of oppression or poverty.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't think there are many Japanese immigrants that were fleeing any kind of oppression or poverty.



So they come here and still remain in poverty.

The poverty rates among Hispanics is nothing to be bragging about

The Japanese for the most part are here legally.

They were oppressed under FDR's reign

[Dude!]

Unlike WF, we accept immigrants here in the Midwest and value their contributions to our society.

so why do you kill Sikhs
in Wisconsin?

[PapaBear]

So they come here and still remain in poverty.

The poverty rates among Hispanics is nothing to be bragging about

The Japanese for the most part are here legally.

They were oppressed under FDR's reign
I don't think you can call someone who's been here for 60 years an immigrant anymore. They're Americans.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't think you can call someone who's been here for 60 years an immigrant anymore. They're Americans.



Japanese are still coming here. However, not as much as the illegals

[PapaBear]

Japanese are still coming here. However, not as much as the illegals
The ones that are coming here now haven't felt much oppression from your evil nemesis FDR.

[spoon]

For fuck's sake wf is an ass. Fdr, AGAIN?! Sigh...again.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes FDR

The one who put Japanese in internment camps.

[hanso]

I don't agree with maher that much but he was on point in regards to Obama giving arms to Syria

90,000 killed no biggie

150 killed by Chemical weapons. Oh no u didn't

Not saying dictatorship oppression is OK but propping up puppet regimes doesn't have that great of a record as well. Neo-cons starting wars can also get traced back to the mujahideen getting Stinger missile launchers. At least this time around those arms are not part of it. They are learning something?

[spoon]

WHAT?! He did what!? History tied to your fucking incessant repetition would lead one to venture there is a reason behind this tact?! So WF, what's the point/agenda? Is it bc of all ardent fdr fervor here u just have to combat? Or just plain old bullshit wf agenda and hate almost on par with your fav, Obama? Seriously, don't bother answering bc you're way too easy to decifer and my questions are realy only meant to poke at the idiot...Fuckwad fool that u are.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The point is to stay out of other countries internal affairs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not saying dictatorship oppression is OK but propping up puppet regimes doesn't have that great of a record as well. Neo-cons starting wars can also get traced back to the mujahideen getting Stinger missile launchers. At least this time around those arms are not part of it. They are learning something?



Good job repeating what I posted already


So if Assad is toppled what replaces him ?


As I stated numerous times , we will be giving Al Qaeda elements these weapons

[Syd]

Good job repeating what I posted already


So if Assad is toppled what replaces him ?


As I stated numerous times , we will be giving Al Qaeda elements these weapons

yes but those "Al Qaeda" elements will be fighting "Hezbollah" elements and other "Shi'a" elements because that's the stance between the traditional West and traditional East, whereas 4 or 5 decades ago it was arming Shi'a to fight Sunni.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Assad regime is mainly secular, If that gets toppled and a Sharia Sunni regime takes control , the Christian and Druze minorities wont pan out well

[Syd]

ask Lebanon how it panned out

even religious minorities in Iran are well protected, more protected than in America at least

[WRESTLINGFAN]

AQ wasn't around during their civil war

Hezbollah was formed in the early 80's. I'll submit that they bombed the Marine barracks in 1983 however Hezbollah isn't that big of a worldwide network as AQ and it's offshoots

[Syd]

yes but "Al Qaeda" is a boogeyman and even if you believe it exists in any fashion, it certainly isn't centralized and distributing weapons between anyone would be more difficult than simply buying up Russian hardware

[WRESTLINGFAN]

AQ may not be in the same form as the early 2000's but it's still around and in many areas ranging from the mid east, south Asia, The Philippines and Horn of Africa.

Chechens are in the fight with the Syrian rebels. I hope there are no US troops in ground combat but I wouldn't be surprised if there are covert ops including CIA agents

[A.J.]

The Assad regime is mainly secular, If that gets toppled and a Sharia Sunni regime takes control , the Christian and Druze minorities wont pan out well

They are Alawites which are more closely aligned with the Shia. Read: Iran.

[hanso]

There are a butt load of terrorist groups only John McCain can tell the good ones from the rest.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Arming the rebels means that we could be engaged in a proxy war with Iran. Looks like their new president even though he's a cleric could be more moderate than Ahmedinijad. I know the real orders come from the Supreme leader


If I'm correct Lebanon also has an Alawite minority. I think there are some members of Hezbollah in the Lebanese parliament. I wonder how they can be affected on the Syrian outcome. They have a Druze and Christian population

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Baracks latest poll numbers don't look so good. He's losing support among the younger voters.

If he continues to drop, those dopes would vote for a 3rd term if Barack was able to run again

[spoon]

yet another GREAT point

completely useless

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack in Berlin today. He should say

Ich Bin Ein lying douchebag

[Jujubees2]

Barack in Berlin today. He should say

Ich Bin Ein lying douchebag

I am a quarterpounder with cheese?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even the Germans think he's fizzled out. In 2008 Obama had 200,000 people in Berlin

Today only about 6,000

I think more people are at Marlins games

[Syd]

Hitler was popular in Germany, ergo Obama used to be Hitler. Now he's more like Hauptmann.

[spoon]

Barack in Berlin today. He should say

Ich Bin Ein lying douchebag


He should!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama is no Hitler!!!

He couldn't get the Olympics for 2016

[spoon]

Zero class.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

When will Manchin and Toomey along with Bloomberg demand background checks for the Syrians?

Is there a Pentagon loophole ?

If this saves only 1 Christian or Druze it will be worth passing

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I expected this from Biden


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/chuck-hagel-taliban-joke-93107.html?hp=f1

[A.J.]

I expected this from Biden


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/chuck-hagel-taliban-joke-93107.html?hp=f1

At least he didn't call him a macaca.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack must be doing coke again. To his credit he didn't call him Joan

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3470903

[A.J.]

Barack must be doing coke again. To his credit he didn't call him Joan

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3470903

I thought only Dubya was capable of something stupid like that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought only Dubya was capable of something stupid like that.



Could have been the sun again

[spoon]

I expected this from Biden


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/chuck-hagel-taliban-joke-93107.html?hp=f1

When asked about Hagel’s comment, Gandhi released a statement saying he was honored to attend Hagel’s event.
“I was honored to attend Secretary of Defense Hagel’s speech on Wednesday. I was able to ask a question, and I thoroughly enjoyed hearing his answer. Before I rose to ask a question, there was apparently some confusion that did not involve me,” the statement read.

READ it all for once...or work on comprehension issues.

[spoon]

Barack must be doing coke again. To his credit he didn't call him Joan

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3470903

doing coke huh?

for a simple name mix up...you are SUCH an ass

[spoon]

I thought only Dubya was capable of something stupid like that.

one made a simple name tie in and fucked it up bc of it, W would have actually asked the guy to sing one of his favorite songs

[WRESTLINGFAN]

doing coke huh?

for a simple name mix up...you are SUCH an ass



He kept repeating his name incorrectly


Then again he thinks there are Corpse men in the navy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

READ it all for once...or work on comprehension issues.



Doesn't the idiot Hagel know that Indians are not in control of the Taliban ?

I'm surprised that he didn't make a Dunkin Donuts comnent like your VP did

[spoon]

He kept repeating his name incorrectly




yes, he was tying in another name to the guy bc it was close and the same last name

big fucking deal

maybe he can do coke with FDR in camps and have helicopter ben and plugs biden join them!

fucking dipshit :wallbash:

[spoon]

Doesn't the idiot Hagel know that Indians are not in control of the Taliban ?

I'm surprised that he didn't make a Dunkin Donuts comnent like your VP did

READ fuckwad

again

[Dude!]

Doesn't the idiot Hagel know that Indians are not in control of the Taliban ?

I'm surprised that he didn't make a Dunkin Donuts comnent like your VP did

WF, how do you keep
so level-headed and in
such good humor, when
the waterheads here do
nothing but name-calling?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF, how do you keep
so level-headed and in
such good humor, when
the waterheads here do
nothing but name-calling?

Their leaders provide me tons of material to mock them

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes, he was tying in another name to the guy bc it was close and the same last name

big fucking deal

maybe he can do coke with FDR in camps and have helicopter ben and plugs biden join them!

fucking dipshit :wallbash:


Maybe not. FDR didn't want to be around blacks. Those camps would be segregated

[spoon]

WF, how do you keep
so level-headed and in
such good humor, when
the waterheads here do
nothing but name-calling?

sure thing, from the guy going at people calling names with waterhead in said STUPID formatted gimmick tied to an even more idiotic board character

yes, we can't all come up with the fabricated and contrived bullshit like WF...such as amazing flight of thoughts, off topic tie ins and purely made up twists to stories

[WRESTLINGFAN]

sure thing, from the guy going at people calling names with waterhead in said STUPID formatted gimmick tied to an even more idiotic board character

yes, we can't all come up with the fabricated and contrived bullshit like WF...such as amazing flight of thoughts, off topic tie ins and purely made up twists to stories



You're the one who has a name for everything. For example even with sports with your prize winner the Cuntkees

[hanso]

He kept repeating his name incorrectly


Then again he thinks there are Corpse men in the navy

Iran just elected a Naval midshipman to lead them

[A.J.]

Iran just elected a Naval midshipman to lead them

Naval midshipmen and Iran don't go together well.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/JimmyCarterPortrait2.jpg

[hanso]

It's dah hat!

[hanso]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2d6tqfl.gif

Cha! Caw!!

At least he didn't call him a macaca.

[spoon]

You're the one who has a name for everything. For example even with sports with your prize winner the Cuntkees



Oh sure, classic comparable here!

Wf is exactly the guy Gervais was talking about online.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Which one do you hate the most ?

Is it Fatbathia ?

[spoon]

Tip # 1027 - when asking about a comparison, give more than one option. Fucking fool.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is why you don't hand weapons to people you don't know and not get involved in other countries civil wars


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2&

[spoon]

And yet guns aplenty for fhe US and they all stay in the original owners hands just the same. Interesting how one can diverge so drastically.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What a waste. Pea brain thinks private citizens shouldn't be allowed to own "assault weapons" but it's ok to hand fully automatic rifles, anti tank weapons and other munitions to these third world crapholes.

Giving Afghan Mujahadeen's in the 1980's to as recent as Mexican drug lords and Al Qaeda operatives in Libya taught the smartest president ever nothing

What will the excuse be if Assad with Russian weapons crushes the revolution or if a Quasi Theocracy or Sharia state emerge if he's toppled

[Dude!]

What will the excuse be if Assad with Russian weapons crushes the revolution or if a Quasi Theocracy or Sharia state emerge if he's toppled

Putin has outsmarted
the smartest president eveh
every time, on every front

is it possible our president la-la
isn't all that smart?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Putin has outsmarted
the smartest president eveh
every time, on every front

is it possible our president la-la
isn't all that smart?

Those degrees from Columbia and Harvard meant nothing as he was being rolled by Vlad

He steamrolls McCain in 2008 but cowers to him in regards to Syria

[Syd]

What a waste. Pea brain thinks private citizens shouldn't be allowed to own "assault weapons" but it's ok to hand fully automatic rifles, anti tank weapons and other munitions to these third world crapholes.

Giving Afghan Mujahadeen's in the 1980's to as recent as Mexican drug lords and Al Qaeda operatives in Libya taught the smartest president ever nothing

What will the excuse be if Assad with Russian weapons crushes the revolution or if a Quasi Theocracy or Sharia state emerge if he's toppled

What will be the excuse if Assad stays in power and continues to support Shia interests that kill countless Americans and others every year?

[spoon]

What a waste. Pea brain thinks private citizens shouldn't be allowed to own "assault weapons" but it's ok to hand fully automatic rifles, anti tank weapons and other munitions to these third world crapholes.

Giving Afghan Mujahadeen's in the 1980's to as recent as Mexican drug lords and Al Qaeda operatives in Libya taught the smartest president ever nothing

What will the excuse be if Assad with Russian weapons crushes the revolution or if a Quasi Theocracy or Sharia state emerge if he's toppled

none of that was said

i'm simply pointing out YOUR hypocrisy on issues that include guns and potential violence to US citizens...one a definite, the other a possibility albeit high over time

keep fighting your made up fights, I'll keep exposing your idiotic fuckwad thought process

[spoon]

What will be the excuse if Assad stays in power and continues to support Shia interests that kill countless Americans and others every year?

and that's just it, there is no easy answer...but absolutely NONE that Obama can win with this crowd

none

he could get involved and it will be what we're hearing here and propping up AQ and Muslim religious states

if he doesn't, well, yah, you just covered some of that too

truly a no win situation for the guy with those not able to see it for what it is.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

none of that was said

i'm simply pointing out YOUR hypocrisy on issues that include guns and potential violence to US citizens...one a definite, the other a possibility albeit high over time

keep fighting your made up fights, I'll keep exposing your idiotic fuckwad thought process

I'm turning your points against you but you don't have an out

Where are those background checks for Jihadists?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and that's just it, there is no easy answer...but absolutely NONE that Obama can win with this crowd

none

he could get involved and it will be what we're hearing here and propping up AQ and Muslim religious states

if he doesn't, well, yah, you just covered some of that too

truly a no win situation for the guy with those not able to see it for what it is.


Stay the fuck out!!!

That's the best scenario. If there's going to be any negotiating with Iran in regards to nukes , best not to challenge Russia and China

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What will be the excuse if Assad stays in power and continues to support Shia interests that kill countless Americans and others every year?



EFP'S were sent to Iraq and are reportedly in Afghanistan.


We shouldn't continue to be in Afghanistan and Iraq should have never been invaded


Let's save American lives and not intervene in other countries affairs

[WRESTLINGFAN]

none of that was said

i'm simply pointing out YOUR hypocrisy on issues that include guns and potential violence to US citizens...one a definite, the other a possibility albeit high over time

keep fighting your made up fights, I'll keep exposing your idiotic fuckwad thought process

PS

Who is committing the majority of gun crimes?

Your comparison of some NRA member from Ohio to religious nutbags is pathetic

[spoon]

I'm turning your points against you but you don't have an out

Where are those background checks for Jihadists?

says the guy who just had it done to him

you're a fucking fool to an even higher level than I thought possible

literally that was just done to you and you then made UP a point as if I even touched on my take on weapons to Syria

then it's just you turning it against me, and the point YOU made up for me...oof :wallbash:

you really should shoot yourself in the face

seriously, use that semi-automatic and marine training to make the shot count

for once you'd add something to the world via subtraction

[spoon]

Stay the fuck out!!!

That's the best scenario. If there's going to be any negotiating with Iran in regards to nukes , best not to challenge Russia and China

there is absolutely NO DOUBT you and plenty others would find PLENTY of fault with this in the end as described above already and further.

[spoon]

PS

Who is committing the majority of gun crimes?

Your comparison of some NRA member from Ohio to religious nutbags is pathetic

doesn't matter either way, it's where they end up being used later remember

funny how I brought up some nra member from ohio...odd I don't recall that at all

[WRESTLINGFAN]

says the guy who just had it done to him

you're a fucking fool to an even higher level than I thought possible

literally that was just done to you and you then made UP a point as if I even touched on my take on weapons to Syria

then it's just you turning it against me, and the point YOU made up for me...oof :wallbash:

you really should shoot yourself in the face

seriously, use that semi-automatic and marine training to make the shot count

for once you'd add something to the world via subtraction


You tried unsuccessfully to compare the Jihadists to regular gun owners and got called out on it


Sorry Fucko, I wasn't in the air force , I know which direction the weapon goes down range


Since Oldsmobile isn't around anymore why don't you and a blow up doll take a drive in a Chevy Volt over a bridge since you have a raging hard on for GM

If we are lucky, it will be the doll that emerges from the water

[WRESTLINGFAN]

there is absolutely NO DOUBT you and plenty others would find PLENTY of fault with this in the end as described above already and further.



Not at all. I'm for reducing our military from all corners of the globe. Best we mind our own business whether it's intervention or handing out weapons like candy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

At the very least there should be a law that the Senate has to approve sending weapons with a 2/3 majority

[spoon]

You tried unsuccessfully to compare the Jihadists to regular gun owners and got called out on it


Sorry Fucko, I wasn't in the air force , I know which direction the weapon goes down range


Since Oldsmobile isn't around anymore why don't you and a blow up doll take a drive in a Chevy Volt over a bridge since you have a raging hard on for GM

If we are lucky, it will be the doll that emerges from the water


so fucking frustrating

you are literally all over the fucking map

it's completely useless...jihadists and gun owners (nope) air force (marine), gm (nothing tied in here), chevy volt (same)...you're exactly the guy Gervais spoke of. Not even joking, you took my point about proliferation of guns overall not being the most prudent thing, and "turned it against me" by making your own FUCKING BULLSHIT POINT that has nothing to do with what I said. Just like the prayer and cancer example he told, and ties into the rape thing too. You're a fucking idiot. PERIOD.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so fucking frustrating

you are literally all over the fucking map

it's completely useless...jihadists and gun owners (nope) air force (marine), gm (nothing tied in here), chevy volt (same)...you're exactly the guy Gervais spoke of. Not even joking, you took my point about proliferation of guns overall not being the most prudent thing, and "turned it against me" by making your own FUCKING BULLSHIT POINT that has nothing to do with what I said. Just like the prayer and cancer example he told, and ties into the rape thing too. You're a fucking idiot. PERIOD.


defend or at least tell why we should be arming people we know nothing about.

Is it smart to keep doing the same thing and just hoping that a Western type government emerge from tribal sects who have different interpretations of their own religion that they want to kill each other over ?

We have been intervening in that part of the world for decades and look how it has come back to haunt us

[spoon]

soooo

back full circle and now you WANT my opinion on something you gave for me to dig out of a subtle, yet solid point on weapon proliferation at home and abroad? take two fucking guesses what I'm in favor of, yet nothing is so cut in stone one way or another in cases such as these.

so I'll give you a guess, what do YOU think I am in favor of?

you do it all fucking day long when not asked, so take this opp to do it when actually asked

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sooooo

Why keep making the same mistake . What if we end up having a no fly zone and some of our planes get knocked out of the sky by Russian SAM's ?

Do you think we should be getting involved in yet another Muslim country's civil war?

Now there probably won't be a huge land army but I'm sure we have black ops and CIA agents on the ground.


It sounds to me that you're saying poor Barack doesn't know what to do.

The smart thing is to tell McCain and the neo cons to fuck off, we can't afford to get involved in another war

A no fly zone even if it's a couple of months will cost billions .

We hear that poor kids won't have access to head start due to sequester but we can give Jihadists weapons and pay for another military operation?

Sorry tykes. We have a dictator to overthrow

[spoon]

ooof

another bullshit off beat response

[hanso]

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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) on Friday said that he opposed a constitutional amendment to ban corporations from having the same rights as people because the idea was "absurd."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Markey trounces Gomez for Kerry's old seat tomorrow

[Dude!]

Markey trounces Gomez for Kerry's old seat tomorrow


and then dies of old age
on Wednesday

[SonOfSmeagol]

ooo

thanks for the beat off response

fixed it for you

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Now I know the GOP is old and white however ever see the fossils the Dems have? Markey
Dingell, Schumer Hillary etc

[spoon]

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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) on Friday said that he opposed a constitutional amendment to ban corporations from having the same rights as people because the idea was "absurd."

yes, everyone is afraid of CORPORATE free speech

that poor small unheard voice that is the corporate voice

assholes

[spoon]

fixed it for you

seriously, good one

[spoon]

Now I know the GOP is old and white however ever see the fossils the Dems have? Markey
Dingell, Schumer Hillary etc

great points!

you have convinced me the GOP is old and white, BUT some Dems are old too

[hanso]

Markey trounces Gomez for Kerry's old seat tomorrow

But Fox News keeps saying it's a close race. :wacko:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Some?

You really are dopey


Your senate majority leader looks like he's being supported by puppet strings

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Old white guy wins. He joins the old squaw Suckajawea as the new senator from Massachusetts

Those racists didn't wanna see a Latino elected

[Syd]

If only the SCOTUS rushed their voter suppression decision sooner!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wonder how many times Baracks aunt and uncle voted

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack got bitchslapped by Vlad again today

[brettmojo]

If only the SCOTUS rushed their voter suppression decision sooner!

Seriously. We would've been hearing the praises for Romney for righting the ship for the past six months.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A year ago Roberts was immortalized now he's to be burned at the stake

[Dude!]

Barack got bitchslapped by Vlad again today

you should hear what
Paula Deen is saying
about President Stepin Fetchit

[hanso]

If only the SCOTUS rushed their voter suppression decision sooner!

About the only way they can win election

[Syd]

About the only way they can win election

It's such a joke. The best outcome was scrapping the formula and applying it nationwide, because just about any state has dabbled in voter suppression along with questionable redistricting.

Instead it's most likely just going to be gone, allowing states to do whatever they want before an election. Oregon want to make you swear fealty to Marx before you vote? Can't really do anything about it before the next election cycle when the court case makes it somewhere. Texas want you to pay a fee for Rick Perry's new Dapper Dan hair pomade? Hope you can cough up that cash; re-worded poll taxes are now completely OK for one election when timed right.

Shelby County v. Holder, decided Tuesday, struck down a key part of the Voting Rights Act (the part requiring certain states with a history of racial discrimination in voting to obtain federal permission in advance to change their voting procedures—called “preclearance”) as violating the “fundamental principle of equal sovereignty” of the states. This is a principle of constitutional law of which I had never heard—for the excellent reason that, as Eric points out and I will elaborate upon briefly, there is no such principle.

Section 3 of Article IV of the Constitution authorizes Congress to admit new states to the Union, as it has done many times, but says nothing about the terms on which they are to be admitted. Usually when new states are admitted it is on the same terms as the existing ones. But not always: Utah and several other western states were required as a condition of admission to outlaw polygamy—a novel condition. Not that any other state permitted polygamy. But other states, not having been subjected to such a condition when they were admitted, were free to permit polygamy without risk of being expelled from the Union.

It’s possible that the federal government would subject a state to unequal treatment so arbitrary and oppressive as to justify a ruling that Congress exceeded its constitutional authority. But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s very impressive opinion (in part because of its even tone), at a length (37 pages) that, remarkably, one would not like to see shortened—marshals convincing evidence that the reasons Congress has for treating some states differently for purposes of the Voting Rights Act are not arbitrary, though they are less needful than they were in 1965, when the law was first enacted.

That evidence—the record before Congress—should have been the end of this case. For apart from the spurious principle of equal sovereignty, all that the majority had on which to base its decision was tenderness for “states’ rights.” One doubts that this actually is a primary value for any of the justices. The same conservative majority that decided Shelby had rejected a more cogent argument for states’ rights when it held three years ago in McDonald v. City of Chicago that the Second Amendment—a provision of the Constitution designed to secure state autonomy—specifically, the right of states to maintain their own little armies, the militias, against federal abolition—creates rights against states’ limiting gun ownership. It seems that the court’s regard is not for states’ rights in some abstract sense but for particular policies that a majority of justices strongly favors.

The majority opinion in Shelby acknowledges that racial discrimination in voting continues, but notes that the situation has improved since 1965 and that the procedures in the current Voting Rights Act do not make a clean fit with the current forms and pattern of discrimination. Ordinarily however a federal statute is not invalidated on the ground that it’s dated. I hardly think the Supreme Court justices believe (as did Alexander Bickel) that “desuetude” is a constitutional doctrine. And the criticisms of the statute in the majority opinion are rather tepid. That’s why the court’s invocation of “equal sovereignty” is an indispensable prop of the decision. But, as I said, there is no doctrine of equal sovereignty. The opinion rests on air.

Emily calls Chief Justice Roberts a “stealth conservative” whose “genius” is to conceal his political agenda. That’s a roundabout way of saying that a modest, pedestrian opinion may be more effective than one that, being forthright and candid, thrusts its inadequacies in the reader’s eye. But the real key to “stealth” jurisprudence is patient, crafty incrementalism (no conservative monopoly on that strategy, of course). It’s a strategy illustrated by Shelby’s predecessor, the 2009 decision in Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District No. 1 v. Holder, heavily cited in Shelby. That was a case in which Chief Justice Roberts, again writing for the majority, criticized the same part of the Voting Rights Act, and invoked the same imaginary doctrine of “equal sovereignty,” yet without actually invalidating anything, and so avoiding a dissent by the liberal justices. So now in Shelby he could quote extensively from his opinion in Northwest Austin as if to imply that really there was nothing new here—just a small and logical next step.

Was that a disreputable tactic, or merely a clever one?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Q1 GDP in and its 1.8%

Who will bitch boy blame? Martin Van Buren? More than 50 months into his reign and more dismal numbers

Of course it will be on the sequester. We will hear the sob stories while he jet sets on another luxury vacation

You vote for shit you get shit

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The mini dictator was droning on yesterday about more executive orders.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The way Markey campaigned you would have thought he was running against Bachmann

Gomez is for gay marriage , for background checks and supports amnesty

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Scotus gets it right and strikes down key provision of DOMA

[Recyclerz]

Scotus gets it right and strikes down key provision of DOMA

Agreed. Let's hope that Grandma Whatley doesn't find a way to spin this as less than a good thing.

[A.J.]

Scotus gets it right and strikes down key provision of DOMA

Clinton hates fags.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This all came about when a lesbian had to pay almost 400k in taxes when her partner died. She inherited her fortune

Moral of the story. Nobody likes paying taxes

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Prop 8 ruling. Gay Marriage can resume in CA

[Syd]

This all came about when a lesbian had to pay almost 400k in taxes when her partner died. She inherited her fortune

Moral of the story. Nobody likes paying taxes

It was framing it as an anti-rights ruling (tied to the 14th) rather than "jesus hates gays and loves f-150s" that anti-rights laws are usually tied to

i.e. the ACLU and others learned from their mistakes about bringing a weaker case (Roe v Wade) to the court rather than a stronger case (Planned Parenthood v Casey)

[spoon]

This all came about when a lesbian had to pay almost 400k in taxes when her partner died. She inherited her fortune

Moral of the story. Nobody likes paying taxes


Yah sure, that or equal treatment and rights.

[spoon]

Sequester is a huge part of it, just as EVERYONE predicted when it went down. But hey, let's play this game bc u love Obama so.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yah sure, that or equal treatment and rights.



Guess you didn't see that I posted that the court got it right

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sequester is a huge part of it, just as EVERYONE predicted when it went down. But hey, let's play this game bc u love Obama so.



When you are addicted to Keynesisn philosophy spending is your crack and meth

Sequester didn't cut anything. Reducing the rate of growth isn't cutting

Can't wait for Rev Al to cry about head start meanwhile he's silent that we are sending cash to terrorist in Syria and 25 billion has been pissed in Afghsnistan since march

[spoon]

Nope, that was idiotic and texas already proved Roberts wrong. In the face of all the bullshit countless states are attempting as well. Just bc a something that helped things get better is less needed is NOT a good reason to change something. One part of the law was used about 25 times in the last few years to stop bs voting violations, but now the floodgates are open. Get ready bc the floods of shit rules we'll be seeing redidistricting on a whole new level and of course outright suppression is on the way.

[A.J.]

Sequester didn't cut anything.

It cut my job.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I can't comment too much on yesterday's decision . I have to look into it more but I remember how CU. (a ruling I wasn't too fond of) would prevent Obama from getting re elected with all the shady money from SuperPACS

Adelson lost a shit ton of money and Roves group raised about 300 million and only had a 1% success rate

All that SuperPAC money and Romney still got smoked

[hanso]

A year ago Roberts was immortalized now he's to be burned at the stake

He should have kept his yap shut, maybe someone else would have got the heat.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Nope, that was idiotic and texas already proved Roberts wrong. In the face of all the bullshit countless states are attempting as well. Just bc a something that helped things get better is less needed is NOT a good reason to change something. One part of the law was used about 25 times in the last few years to stop bs voting violations, but now the floodgates are open. Get ready bc the floods of shit rules we'll be seeing redidistricting on a whole new level and of course outright suppression is on the way.


wrong, oh the emotion tho

The majority of the act remains in place, and even the enforcement provisions of Section 5 are still available to Congress. The Justice Department still has the authority to sue individual jurisdictions for practices it contends are discriminatory (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/supreme-court-strikes-down-section-4-of-voting-rights-act/)

[hanso]

The way Markey campaigned you would have thought he was running against Bachmann

Gomez is for gay marriage , for background checks and supports amnesty

So thats why Gomez was down by 20 % at one point.

[hanso]

It cut my job.

Sorry to hear that, good luck.

[A.J.]

Sorry to hear that, good luck.

Thanks. After a month without a job, I started a new one last week.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Thanks. After a month without a job, I started a new one last week.

yikes, sorry to hear that but glad you found a new one

[Syd]

wrong, oh the emotion tho

The majority of the act remains in place, and even the enforcement provisions of Section 5 are still available to Congress. The Justice Department still has the authority to sue individual jurisdictions for practices it contends are discriminatory (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/supreme-court-strikes-down-section-4-of-voting-rights-act/)

Yes, and as we saw with DoMA ruling it only took 10 years of a law being in place before it was ruled unconstitutional.

Meanwhile in reality, poll taxes (as "processing fees" for those without a particular form of identification) or other restrictions can be put into place before an election in order to favor a party and citizens are without any recourse short of a major, expensive legal battle.

Section 4's only problem was that it was too narrowly focused. It should have applied to everywhere in America because anti-voter laws have been popping up outside of the traditional south.

http://www.aclu.org/voting-rights/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

just a short and dirty of voter ID laws there, and the infamous case of Pennsylvania not willing to present any evidence or argument for the necessity of voter ID laws:

http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/ApplewhiteStipulation.pdf

The SCOTUS ruling was complete shit, period. It was about preventing as many minorities (or minority-majorities, such as Texas) from voting because one of the two parties has a slipping hold on the electorate.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Yes, and as we saw with DoMA ruling it only took 10 years of a law being in place before it was ruled unconstitutional.

Meanwhile in reality, poll taxes (as "processing fees" for those without a particular form of identification) or other restrictions can be put into place before an election in order to favor a party and citizens are without any recourse short of a major, expensive legal battle.

Section 4's only problem was that it was too narrowly focused. It should have applied to everywhere in America because anti-voter laws have been popping up outside of the traditional south.

http://www.aclu.org/voting-rights/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

just a short and dirty of voter ID laws there, and the infamous case of Pennsylvania not willing to present any evidence or argument for the necessity of voter ID laws:

http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/ApplewhiteStipulation.pdf

The SCOTUS ruling was complete shit, period. It was about preventing as many minorities (or minority-majorities, such as Texas) from voting because one of the two parties has a slipping hold on the electorate.

poll tax - really? the law, btw has nothing to do with voter id. you are just throwing as many little items into the mix...when all that's at stake is updating a badly out of date law

Should Congress try again on defining a coverage requirement, the opinion declared, “Congress must identify those jurisdictions to be singled out on a basis that makes sense in light of current conditions. It cannot rely simply on the past. We made that clear [in 2009], and we make it clear again today.”

[A.J.]

yikes, sorry to hear that but glad you found a new one

Thanks.

[Syd]

poll tax - really? the law, btw has nothing to do with voter id. you are just throwing as many little items into the mix...when all that's at stake is updating a badly out of date law

Poll tax - really. Processing fees of some sort will be put in place in 2014 or 2016 (most likely the latter, to help keep North Carolina and Texas out of play for Clinton) for voters that don't have an ID, or are in districts that have "high voter turnout" under the guise of keeping state spending in check.

Voter ID is a form of a poll tax, but crafted in such a way to avoid VRA entanglement. It has everything to do with voter ID. Hence the flood of states that were previously subject to voter ID laws because of a long history of racially motivated voter suppression suddenly cranked out a bunch of voter ID laws.

Should Congress try again on defining a coverage requirement, the opinion declared, “Congress must identify those jurisdictions to be singled out on a basis that makes sense in light of current conditions. It cannot rely simply on the past. We made that clear [in 2009], and we make it clear again today.”

The Court strikes down a core provision of the Voting Rights Act as unconstitutional without ever explaining what provision of the Constitution commands this result. Chief Justice Roberts’ opinion for the conservative majority argued that the Voting Rights Act provision was inconsistent with the ‘letter and spirit of the Constitution,’ but he never really explained why.

They just decided they didn't like it, didn't bother explaining why and just hoped that no one would notice that this is one of the most bizarre extrapolations of judicial review in the history of the court. There's no evidence that it is "outdated" at all because equal sovereignty is a load of horseshit born in libertopia fairytales.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Poll tax - really. Processing fees of some sort will be put in place in 2014 or 2016 (most likely the latter, to help keep North Carolina and Texas out of play for Clinton) for voters that don't have an ID, or are in districts that have "high voter turnout" under the guise of keeping state spending in check.

Voter ID is a form of a poll tax, but crafted in such a way to avoid VRA entanglement. It has everything to do with voter ID. Hence the flood of states that were previously subject to voter ID laws because of a long history of racially motivated voter suppression suddenly cranked out a bunch of voter ID laws.

They just decided they didn't like it, didn't bother explaining why and just hoped that no one would notice that this is one of the most bizarre extrapolations of judicial review in the history of the court. There's no evidence that it is "outdated" at all because equal sovereignty is a load of horseshit born in libertopia fairytales.

nah, I just don't buy it. don't particularly care about voter id but who doesn't/shouldn't have an ID in 2013? try doing anything important without one.

[hanso]

Then how was Texas allowed to pass a voter I.D. law just 2 hours after the ruling?

[Syd]

nah, I just don't buy it. don't particularly care about voter id but who doesn't/shouldn't have an ID in 2013? try doing anything important without one.
VOTING IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT, NOT A PRIVILEGE

Nothing is more fundamental to our democracy than the right to vote.
The right to vote is protected by more constitutional amendments - the 1st, 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th - than any other right we enjoy as Americans.
There are additional federal and state statutes which guarantee and protect voting rights, as well as declarations by the Supreme Court that the right to vote is fundamental because it is protective of all our other rights.

VOTER ID REQUIREMENTS ARE A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM

There is no credible evidence that in-person impersonation voter fraud -- the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – is even a minor problem.
Proponents of voter ID laws have failed to demonstrate that individual, in -person voter fraud is even a minor problem anywhere in the country.
Multiple studies have found that almost all cases of in-person impersonation voter “fraud” are the result of a voter making an honest mistake, and that even these mistakes are extremely infrequent.
It is important, instead, to focus on both expanding the franchise and ending practices which actually threaten the integrity of the elections, such as improper purges of voters, voter harassment, and distribution of false information about when and where to vote. None of these issues, however, are addressed or can be resolved with a photo ID requirement.

http://www.aclu.org/voting-rights/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

and

http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/ApplewhiteStipulation.pdf

The state signed a stipulation agreement with lawyers for the plaintiffs which acknowledges there “have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.”

[hanso]

Do you self a favor utilize ignore or.........:wallbash:

[Pitdoc]

Meanwhile in reality, poll taxes (as "processing fees" for those without a particular form of identification) or other restrictions can be put into place before an election in order to favor a party and citizens are without any recourse short of a major, expensive legal battle.



I know that in the past Holder's Justice Department HAS sued because some of these voter ID laws cost money.But why not all? If a state passes a Voter ID law, & somebody has to pay to get a birth certificate or marriage license to prove they are who they say they are, then that state should pay for EVERYTHING. But of course , the Repubs in those states are just trying to make it so hard, minorities won't bother .Then they win.

As for DOMA , this bit is priceless.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vvuO_yn9c0&feature=player_detailpage

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://www.aclu.org/voting-rights/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

and

http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/ApplewhiteStipulation.pdf

ya, you posted that before. so what. can't your big gov't come up with a lousy $10 ID for everyone, for whatever purpose they need?

[SonOfSmeagol]

Then how was Texas allowed to pass a voter I.D. law just 2 hours after the ruling?

as noted several times, Einstein, the ruling has nothing to do with blocking voter id laws

[Syd]

ya, you posted that before. so what. can't your big gov't come up with a lousy $10 ID for everyone, for whatever purpose they need?

VOTER ID REQUIREMENTS ARE A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM

There is no credible evidence that in-person impersonation voter fraud -- the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – is even a minor problem.
Proponents of voter ID laws have failed to demonstrate that individual, in -person voter fraud is even a minor problem anywhere in the country.
Multiple studies have found that almost all cases of in-person impersonation voter “fraud” are the result of a voter making an honest mistake, and that even these mistakes are extremely infrequent.
It is important, instead, to focus on both expanding the franchise and ending practices which actually threaten the integrity of the elections, such as improper purges of voters, voter harassment, and distribution of false information about when and where to vote. None of these issues, however, are addressed or can be resolved with a photo ID requirement.

re-read that a few more times and then ask yourself what the point of voter ID is

[Syd]

as noted several times, Einstein, the ruling has nothing to do with blocking voter id laws

as noted, it has a lot to do with voter ID laws:

Shortly after the high court issued a sweeping 5-4 decision Tuesday striking down a centerpiece of the historic 1965 law, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott vowed to immediately implement a controversial voter ID law in the Lone Star State that was blocked last year by the now-gutted preclearance provision of the Voting Rights Act.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/us/court-blocks-tough-voter-id-law-in-texas.html?_r=0

[SonOfSmeagol]

as noted, it has a lot to do with voter ID laws:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/us/court-blocks-tough-voter-id-law-in-texas.html?_r=0

cool, like I said. don't particularly care about voter id laws. get an id

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack called the plaintiffs today and congratulated them on their victory

I wonder if the call was data mined

[hanso]

as noted, it has a lot to do with voter ID laws:



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/us/court-blocks-tough-voter-id-law-in-texas.html?_r=0

Just read there were other states right in line with Texas at the same time.

[spoon]

cool, like I said. don't particularly care about voter id laws. get an id


Of course you don't care, bc it doesn't impact you and why care right? Oh and in reality we know this only impacts one thing, the ability to vote for minorities and mainly urban communities where a driver's lic isn't the norm in any way. What sense do any of these voter id laws make and what is the guise being used to pass them? Bc we sure as shit haven't had any issues in this area, unlike hanging chads, computer fraud and so much more in terms of confusing the voters to outright lying and blocking their vote bc they don't agree with them.