2012 POTUS and Congress General election off-season thread

[Snoogans]

so are we just ignoring that someone shot at one of obamas campaign offices?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so are we just ignoring that someone shot at one of obamas campaign offices?

Just saw it on Politico.

No details on who did it however, I hope nobody assumes its a tea party member. Not downplaying it at all however there have been threats to assassinate Romney on twitter.


There are over 310 Million people in this country. There will be instances like these in such a big country with a huge population. Hopefully the police find the person who pulled the trigger.

[hanso]

Damn hippies

[Dude!]

no doubt an inside job
to garner sympathy
since Colorado has slipped away
from obama since the debate

[Snoogans]

no doubt an inside job
to garner sympathy
since Colorado has slipped away
from obama since the debate

sadly, this is something i actually thought

[keithy_19]

Did anyone consider that it might have been the Joker?

[keithy_19]

Did anyone consider that it might have been the Joker?

Or Bane.

[NickyL0885]

Or Bane.

Their punishment must be more severe.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/1104_10151061370945773_454267843_n.jpg

[hanso]

To quote a wrestler "Is that supposed to be funny?"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sometimes the truth never is

[A.J.]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/1104_10151061370945773_454267843_n.jpg

Sad but true. I've been to a bunch of embassies where the "security" is suspect to say the least.

[Furtherman]

Obama's Secret Weapon In The South: Small, Dead, But Still Kickin' (http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/10/02/162163801/obama-s-secret-weapon-in-the-south-small-dead-but-still-kickin)

[Jujubees2]

Obama's Secret Weapon In The South: Small, Dead, But Still Kickin' (http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/10/02/162163801/obama-s-secret-weapon-in-the-south-small-dead-but-still-kickin)

Damn, now I'm starving. Got any plankton back there?

[hanso]

To quote a wrestler "Is that supposed to be funny?"

Or was it sexy?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like Axelrod thru the State dept. under the bus yesterday when he was on the Sunday shows

[Dude!]

Looks like Axelrod thru the State dept. under the bus yesterday when he was on the Sunday shows

yeah, i couldn't believe
what i was hearing

does Hillary:

a. fight back and call them liars
b. resign
c. just keep her mouth shut and
continue to be humiliated

i'm sure Bill will give her
the right answer to protect
HER future

[A.J.]

She herself has hinted that she wasn't going to stick around for a second term so she'll probably just ride it out -- then destroy Obama afterward.

[epo]

She herself has hinted that she wasn't going to stick around for a second term so she'll probably just ride it out -- then destroy Obama afterward.

Her approach for everything depends upon her ambitions for 2016.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Watch out Hillary


https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/68349_416438625076975_1422988803_n.jpg

[spoon]

Sad but true. I've been to a bunch of embassies where the "security" is suspect to say the least.

since they were built/used by the US though

it's not one admin's issues, it's ALL of them and the agencies in charge of said security

[A.J.]

since they were built/used by the US though

it's not one admin's issues, it's ALL of them and the agencies in charge of said security

Oh, I agree. I'm just saying that I see ridiculous amounts of security at U.S. airports compared to what I have seen at some U.S. embassies.

[Snoogans]

anyone watchin Grumpiest Old Men on the networks?

[Dude!]

Did obama just call immigrants
gang-bangers?

[Kevin]

Did obama just call immigrants
gang-bangers?

Yea..

Thats exactly what he said.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So far the only one held accountable is the guy who made that movie. Good job of sending federal agents in the dark of night for a flimsy parole violation

[Recyclerz]

I think Romney walking into that round house right on the Benghazi allegation shows the dangers of using Fox News as your only source for fact checking.


If this Obama had showed up at the first debate the race would be over and we'd be arguing over how many Senate seats the Republicans could expect to pick up. Now I think he still wins a second term but on a much closer vote than the first time.

[KnoxHarrington]

I think Romney walking into that round house right on the Benghazi allegation shows the dangers of using Fox News as your only source for fact checking.


If this Obama had showed up at the first debate the race would be over and we'd be arguing over how many Senate seats the Republicans could expect to pick up. Now I think he still wins a second term but on a much closer vote than the first time.

I think this debate probably cancels out the first debate. At least it stops Romney from any further gains.

[epo]

I think this debate probably cancels out the first debate. At least it stops Romney from any further gains.

Obama wins a second term.
Senate 52-48 democratic control.
House in GOP control, democrats pickup approximately 15 seats.

[Dude!]

Obama wins a second term.
Senate 52-48 democratic control.

i find that very encouraging
since your election predictions
have been uniformly wrong

[Kevin]

i find that very encouraging
since your election predictions
have been uniformly wrong

We all know from last years DIV Playoff RD, that if Epo is very confident over something. its not a good thing for that thing he is rooting for...

[Dude!]

We all know from last years DIV Playoff RD, that if Epo is very confident over something. its not a good thing for that thing he is rooting for...

yes, just ask ex-governor Scott Walker

[El Mudo]

Oh, I agree. I'm just saying that I see ridiculous amounts of security at U.S. airports compared to what I have seen at some U.S. embassies.

I don't work at an embassy, but we have "sensitive" things here, and our main security (for the doors and such) is contracted out to a rent-a-cop company. Fun times.

[A.J.]

Did obama just call immigrants
gang-bangers?

Way to secure that MS-13 vote!

[epo]

i find that very encouraging
since your election predictions
have been uniformly wrong

I find it interesting that you didn't include my "House remains in GOP control" prediction.

[Dude!]

I find it interesting that you didn't include my "House remains in GOP control" prediction.

because, of course, i did not
find that part of your prediction
encouraging!

you are the master of prediction...
in the Bizzaro World

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Romney had a chance to crush Obama regarding Libya. It was lackluster. Crowley ended up saying Mitt was right but it was after the debate


For any undecided voters, they should be told that they vote the 1st Wednesday in November

[Dude!]

Romney had a chance to crush Obama regarding Libya. It was lackluster. Crowley ended up saying Mitt was right but it was after the debate


For any undecided voters, they should be told that they vote the 1st Wednesday in November

Gallup today:

Romney 51%
Prez Failure 45%

a couple more points
and it becomes a landslide

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Gallup today:

Romney 51%
Prez Failure 45%

a couple more points
and it becomes a landslide

I see Obama pulling the October surprise by launching drone strikes in Libya at month end.

[Dude!]

I see Obama pulling the October surprise by launching drone strikes in Libya at month end.

yeah, he's definitely got
a few things up his sleeve

maybe for once
people will see through it

[A.J.]

If that we true, he wouldn't have been elected in the first place.

[CurseoftheBambi]

So far the only one held accountable is the guy who made that movie. Good job of sending federal agents in the dark of night for a flimsy parole violation

got proof of that accusation sparky?:nono:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

got proof of that accusation sparky?:nono:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/anti-islam-filmmaker-nakoula-basseley-nakoula-arrested-probation/story?id=17343351#.UH8Ol2cuFkO


Threat to community? Please, this happened 2 days after Obama gave that speech at the UN referencing the video multiple times.

[angrymissy]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/anti-islam-filmmaker-nakoula-basseley-nakoula-arrested-probation/story?id=17343351#.UH8Ol2cuFkO


Threat to community? Please, this happened 2 days after Obama gave that speech at the UN referencing the video multiple times.

It was because part of his parole was not using a computer... which he obviously did.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was because part of his parole was not using a computer... which he obviously did.

So the timing was a coincidence? The savages riot and burn embassies and the government rounds up a cut rate criminal to try to silence and quell the mobs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/535873_239184872874612_1552170735_n.jpg

[angrymissy]

So the timing was a coincidence? The savages riot and burn embassies and the government rounds up a cut rate criminal to try to silence and quell the mobs.

Uh, he posted the movie to youtube, that shit happened, people were like "wait a sec, he must be using a computer to post that" and they connected the dots.

[pennington]

For any undecided voters, they should be told that they vote the 1st Wednesday in November

I agree. Honestly after, what, 2 long years of this if you are still undecided, stay home.

I know someone who voted for Obama in 2008 because, and this is a quote, "It would be neat to have a black president". At this point she's still undecided and said she may vote for Ralph Nader this election. So, maybe, we'll have a President Nader in January.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Uh, he posted the movie to youtube, that shit happened, people were like "wait a sec, he must be using a computer to post that" and they connected the dots.

It was posted a couple of months before 9/11/12

They could have scooped him up earlier. It was all a ploy to try to put out the flames of the angry mobs.

[angrymissy]

It was posted a couple of months before 9/11/12

They could have scooped him up earlier. It was all a ploy to try to put out the flames of the angry mobs.

It didn't get much publicity until after that.

[KnoxHarrington]

Fucking love the Onion.

Tearful Mitt Romney Announces He Has Rare Disease Where You Can't Sit Quietly On Stool When Repeatedly Asked To (http://www.theonion.com/articles/tearful-mitt-romney-announces-he-has-rare-disease,29959/)

Highly emotional in the wake of last night’s town-hall-style debate, a tearful Mitt Romney called a press conference this morning to “come clean” about having a rare, little-understood disease known as Shuttlesworth Syndrome, a condition that prevents its victims from sitting quietly on stools anytime they are repeatedly told to do so. “As a sufferer of this rare disorder, being told to sit down and shut up—particularly when a stool is involved—only provokes in my central nervous system a violent overreaction that forces me to behave in the exact opposite manner,” Romney told reporters, his voice cracking with emotion as he revealed his secret to the world. “Without meaning to, I reflexively stand up, stride forward, and continue trying to speak—doing so even, and especially, when one or more people are instructing me to stop talking immediately and go back to my stool. It is a truly debilitating condition that I have battled all my life.” Romney said additional symptoms of the syndrome include an inability to maintain a convincing human smile, inexplicable reversals of previously stated policy positions, and an impaired ability to chuckle without sounding like a deranged maniac.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Snoogans]

I agree. Honestly after, what, 2 long years of this if you are still undecided, stay home.

I know someone who voted for Obama in 2008 because, and this is a quote, "It would be neat to have a black president". At this point she's still undecided and said she may vote for Ralph Nader this election. So, maybe, we'll have a President Nader in January.

Nadar isnt running. Tell her to vote for Gary Johnson

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Green party candidates arrested


http://news.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20121017green_party_candidates_arrested_at_debate/

[pennington]

Nadar isnt running.

I know. I'm sure she'll find out when she gets in the voting booth.

Tell her to vote for Gary Johnson

I like Johnson myself. Too bad the system is so rigged for the two parties.

[Snoogans]

I know. I'm sure she'll find out when she gets in the voting booth.



I like Johnson myself. Too bad the system is so rigged for the two parties.

i agree, cause i think he has some incredible ideas. I will be, in vain, voting for him and hoping someone hears the message and hoping the ron paul heads get on board

[cougarjake13]

sadly all voting for Paul or a Johnson would ever do is Ross Perot the situation and help one of the 2 candidates get elected

I got a sample ballot today and there's like 8-10 choices on there but all people know or hear of is the rep and dems

[Snoogans]

sadly all voting for Paul or a Johnson would ever do is Ross Perot the situation and help one of the 2 candidates get elected

I got a sample ballot today and there's like 8-10 choices on there but all people know or hear of is the rep and dems

if ross perot wasnt a fuckin idiot racist, he probably would have won.

[cougarjake13]

if ross perot wasnt a fuckin idiot racist, he probably would have won.



and I'd love to know how different things wuld be now if he did if at all

[Jujubees2]

New Revelation At ’47%’ Dinner – Romney Was Hoping For Something Like Iran Hostage (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/17/new-revelation-at-47-dinner-romney-was-hoping-for-something-like-iran-hostage-video/)

[sailor]

Even just reading the article that's not what he said.

[angrymissy]

Even just reading the article that's not what he said.

http://youtu.be/LXpZpmNjkxM

Questioner: When Carter was president, we had hostages. Ronald Reagan was able to make a statement even before he became, he was actually sworn in, and the hostages were released…

Mitt Romney: On the day of his inauguration.

Questioner: Right. So my question is really how can you sort of duplicate that scenario?

Romney: I could ask you, I could ask you how you do I duplicate that scenario?

Questioner: I think it had to do with the fact that the Iranians perceived Reagan… That’s why I’m suggesting that something that you say over the next few months gets the Iranians to understand that their pursuit of the bomb is something that you would prevent. And I think that’s something that could possibly resonate very well with the American public
.
Romney: I appreciate the idea. One of the things that’s frustrating to me is that in a typical day like this, when I do three or four events like this, the number of foreign policy questions I get are between zero and one. And the American people are not concentrated at all on China, on Russia, Iran, Iraq. This President’s failure to put in place a status of forces agreement allowing ten to twenty thousand troops to stay in Iraq- unthinkable! And yet, in that election, in the Jimmy Carter election, the fact that we had hostages in Iran, I mean, that was all we talked about. And we had the two helicopters crash in the desert, I mean, that was the focus, and so him solving that made all the difference in the world. I’m afraid today that if you simply got Iran to agree to stand down on nuclear weapons, they’d go, “Now hold on. It’s really a-” I mean, if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity.

[angrymissy]

I agree. Honestly after, what, 2 long years of this if you are still undecided, stay home.

I know someone who voted for Obama in 2008 because, and this is a quote, "It would be neat to have a black president". At this point she's still undecided and said she may vote for Ralph Nader this election. So, maybe, we'll have a President Nader in January.

Someone at my job told me she knew absolutely nothing about either candidate except one was black and one was a mom, so she was voting for the mom.

I had to explain to her that Sarah Palin was the VP candidate, she literally thought she was the Presidential candidate. I am not kidding.

There are probably millions of people just like her all over the country.

For a long time, my sister could never correctly name the VP or Secretary of State. The only reason she can now is because I used to relentlessly mock her for it.

doomed

[A.J.]

These are the people who vote.

And breed.

[Misteriosa]

These are the people who vote.

And breed.

^^ :glurps:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kimmel had a segment asking them who won the debate , they didn't know that the debate didn't happen yet

Sadly there are people out there who don't know a single issue.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think it was CBS who did a snap poll of undecided voters after the 2nd debate . 33% were still undecided

[spoon]

Someone at my job told me she knew absolutely nothing about either candidate except one was black and one was a mom, so she was voting for the mom.

I had to explain to her that Sarah Palin was the VP candidate, she literally thought she was the Presidential candidate. I am not kidding.

There are probably millions of people just like her all over the country.

For a long time, my sister could never correctly name the VP or Secretary of State. The only reason she can now is because I used to relentlessly mock her for it.

doomed

This will ALWAYS be the case unfortunately, as a good percentage of the world simply do not pay attention to politics even though they impact their lives so much. I'm completely with Bill Maher on this one, fuck get out the vote and let those paying attention make rational choices based on actual understanding of the policies at least a little. I could care less if some idiot with zero take on elections actually gets to the voting booth. That's on them, why hold hands here unless it benefits your party. And hence there is your sorry answer.

There's a reason idiots vote only on fringe issues like abortion and it's so prominent in almost every election despite very little done in either direction...it sparks their "need" to vote and get involved due to their take on said laws, especially when they don't align with their religious take. Simply put, these issues will constantly be used to fire up factions, the base of both parties and worse for the foreseeable future. Along the way actual issues like education reform/college expenses, economic/tax reform, health care/public option and so much more are just mired in shit storms of delay and nothing actually changes unless it aligns with big money and what they support or desire to become even more rich.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe there should be some sort of civics test before voting. Now I am not advocating the poll tax or some impossible questions to answer like in the Jim Crow south. Maybe 10 questions from the test they give immigrants to become citizens


Voting is a right but there should be responsibility. Having uninformed voters from the Obamaphone lady, to some rube in Alabama who thinks 2 plus 2 equals god is not beneficial especially on voting on things from taxation to social issues.

[spoon]

Says the guy who looks like a mix between the love child of Robbie Alomar and Rob Schneider!

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/roberto-alomar.jpg

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:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Says the guy who looks like a mix between the love child of Robbie Alomar and Rob Schneider!

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/roberto-alomar.jpg

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http://s3.amazonaws.com/sites.wpengine/scelebs/wp-content/old_pictures/wenn5219550.jpg

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http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/2479353286/jev63gkv4uu9862t55om.jpeg

:lol:



Since your Jays arent in the playoffs AGAIN, Do you spend your free time looking at men all autumn/winter ?

[Jujubees2]

Since your Jays arent in the playoffs AGAIN, Do you spend your free time looking at men all autumn/winter ?

That don't make him a bad person...

[spoon]

Since your Jays arent in the playoffs AGAIN, Do you spend your free time looking at men all autumn/winter ?

no

and neither are your overpaid cuntkees...welcome to golf Schnalomar!

[hanso]

I think Romney walking into that round house right on the Benghazi allegation shows the dangers of using Fox News as your only source for fact checking.


If this Obama had showed up at the first debate the race would be over and we'd be arguing over how many Senate seats the Republicans could expect to pick up. Now I think he still wins a second term but on a much closer vote than the first time.

The right wing conspiracy theories bleed through especially during this election cycle

[KnoxHarrington]

The right wing conspiracy theories bleed through especially during this election cycle

To me, the worst part of that whole thing wasn't that Romney was factually incorrect when he said that Obama did not call the embassy attacks an "act of terror" the next day. If his point had been that the Obama Administration is reluctant to deal with acts such as these as the acts of organized terrorist organizations, that would have been fine. I think it's a bullshit point, but it's at least a valid political opinion.

What Romney was really attempting to do, though, if you listen to the dogwhistle, is link that into this whole narrative that Obama is a timid coward who constantly thinks America is in the wrong and must apologize to the rest of the world. I think all the Muslim people killed in drone attacks since he's been President would find that thought amusing. As would Osama bin-Laden...if the Obama Administration hadn't fucking killed them.

[A.J.]

To me, the worst part of that whole thing wasn't that Romney was factually incorrect when he said that Obama did not call the embassy attacks an "act of terror" the next day. If his point had been that the Obama Administration is reluctant to deal with acts such as these as the acts of organized terrorist organizations, that would have been fine. I think it's a bullshit point, but it's at least a valid political opinion.

What Romney was really attempting to do, though, if you listen to the dogwhistle, is link that into this whole narrative that Obama is a timid coward who constantly thinks America is in the wrong and must apologize to the rest of the world. I think all the Muslim people killed in drone attacks since he's been President would find that thought amusing. As would Osama bin-Laden...if the Obama Administration hadn't fucking killed them.

Or the ones he's still holding at GTMO?

[angrymissy]

The problem was that Romney got as gleeful as an internet troll when he heard Obama say that, to the point where he was all OMGZ LOL! REPEAT IT! HOLY SHIT U ARE SOOOO FUKED! and got way too focused on nailing him on the words spoken on a specific day.

Obama smiling that shit eating grin and saying "Proceed, Governor" should have clued him in.

[hanso]

The problem was that Romney got as gleeful as an internet troll when he heard Obama say that, to the point where he was all OMGZ LOL! REPEAT IT! HOLY SHIT U ARE SOOOO FUKED! and got way too focused on nailing him on the words spoken on a specific day.

Obama smiling that shit eating grin and saying "Proceed, Governor" should have clued him in.

Like how Romney hemmed, hawed and stammered right after that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Romney missed his chance to KO Obama on Libya, However the damage is already done. We saw 2 weeks of Obama going to campaign in Vegas, Partying with Jay Z etc. Parading Susan Rice on the Sunday shows and Obama cutting an apology commercial to the Pakistanis and saying it was due to a youtube video.

If anyone saw the hearings last week, The evidence is damning to the administration.

[spoon]

yes yes, you blame all on Obama and he's a party machine with fund raising

you have your marching orders down pat

zzzzz

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes yes, you blame all on Obama and he's a party machine with fund raising

you have your marching orders down pat

zzzzz

A Rosegarden announcement just doesnt cut it. He could have done an Oval office speech or from the east room on prime time TV and at least try to give an assessment


The bodies were not even cold yet and Hillary blames the killings on a video while the caskets were received at Andrews AFB.


Keep going with Big bird and Binders, that's a winner.

[spoon]

A Rosegarden announcement just doesnt cut it. He could have done an Oval office speech or from the east room on prime time TV and at least try to give an assessment


The bodies were not even cold yet and Hillary blames the killings on a video while the caskets were received at Andrews AFB.


Keep going with Big bird and Binders, that's a winner.

big bird is a valid point, as cutting pbs is a fringe/scapegoat issue with little substance...binder of women shows a complete lack of understanding and commitment to more than half this nation...now add the men that helped make up the 47% percent he couldn't give a shit about and what are we at now? 80% of the US population? Rough math but you get the point. The points you bring up have underlying themes to what and who Romney is and what he honestly believes or uses as a bs distraction for the rubes.

Going after Obama and Hilary for misinformation or being wrong in the face of many questions and WHERE he does a press conference? Yah, that's important and not a complete political play in the face of tragedy. I guess Obama is just soft on terrorism now right? What's the point of it all? To prove they got misinformed or made a bad correlation? Or are you saying the attacks are this admin's fault due to security concerns? I'm truly asking bc it's all over the place in the media and with Obama haters.

[Jujubees2]

GOP registration worker charged with voter fraud (http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/19/14556980-gop-registration-worker-charged-with-voter-fraud?lite)

Guess there really is voter fraud...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

big bird is a valid point, as cutting pbs is a fringe/scapegoat issue with little substance...binder of women shows a complete lack of understanding and commitment to more than half this nation...now add the men that helped make up the 47% percent he couldn't give a shit about and what are we at now? 80% of the US population? Rough math but you get the point. The points you bring up have underlying themes to what and who Romney is and what he honestly believes or uses as a bs distraction for the rubes.

Going after Obama and Hilary for misinformation or being wrong in the face of many questions and WHERE he does a press conference? Yah, that's important and not a complete political play in the face of tragedy. I guess Obama is just soft on terrorism now right? What's the point of it all? To prove they got misinformed or made a bad correlation? Or are you saying the attacks are this admin's fault due to security concerns? I'm truly asking bc it's all over the place in the media and with Obama haters.

Im not in the CIA and I knew the Bengazi attacks would happened. I posted a few months back in the other thread that Al Qaedas flag was hoisted in Bengazi after Khaddafi was killed.

Obama does take blame in this as he was too busy campaigning rather to attend a lot of the intel briefings. I didnt say Obama was soft on terrorism. Im saying that this instance him and Hillary dropped the ball.

[spoon]

So hire you, wrestlingfan, is all the US needs to do and all the security around the world at every embassy, consulate and embassy suites will be fine!?

Perfect.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Big bird can survive on his own. He doesnt need a subsidy. He is the 1%

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So hire you, wrestlingfan, is all the US needs to do and all the security around the world at every embassy, consulate and embassy suites will be fine!?

Perfect.

I wouldnt skip intel meetings .

[Snoogans]

Romney missed his chance to KO Obama on Libya, However the damage is already done. We saw 2 weeks of Obama going to campaign in Vegas, Partying with Jay Z etc. Parading Susan Rice on the Sunday shows and Obama cutting an apology commercial to the Pakistanis and saying it was due to a youtube video.

If anyone saw the hearings last week, The evidence is damning to the administration.

the problem is, no damage was really done. All the damage to obama was cause of his awful first debate performance, and over the last week polls are actually turning back in obamas favor. The whole Libya thing doesnt seem to have much to do with what people think.

As an aside, it took me like 20 minutes after obama said it to realize they meant the rose garden at the white house. Being my fandom of basketball, I kept wondering when the fuck Obama gave a speech about libya in Portland

[Snoogans]

Big bird can survive on his own. He doesnt need a subsidy. He is the 1%

yea thats not the point. The point is that was one of the only specifics romney gave about how he would balance the budget.

The federal gov only funds between 10-12% of PBS budget. it comes out to around 440 million a year. NPR gets roughly half that.

In the terms of our debt, thats like someone who owes millions throwing a few nickels at the people and sayin that will help solve my debt problem. That money is NOTHING.

Not to mention that is one of the better things we spend money on. Those channels have alot of education that they pass to children that they otherwise might not get.

It is perfectly reasonable to hammer romney on the stupidity of that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the problem is, no damage was really done. All the damage to obama was cause of his awful first debate performance, and over the last week polls are actually turning back in obamas favor. The whole Libya thing doesnt seem to have much to do with what people think.

As an aside, it took me like 20 minutes after obama said it to realize they meant the rose garden at the white house. Being my fandom of basketball, I kept wondering when the fuck Obama gave a speech about libya in Portland

The damage what I was eluding to was Libya and how the aftermath was in the 2 weeks after that.

Obama had a good debate. All he had to do was show up, there was no way he would have had a repeat performance of round 1

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yea thats not the point. The point is that was one of the only specifics romney gave about how he would balance the budget.

The federal gov only funds between 10-12% of PBS budget. it comes out to around 440 million a year. NPR gets roughly half that.

In the terms of our debt, thats like someone who owes millions throwing a few nickels at the people and sayin that will help solve my debt problem. That money is NOTHING.

Not to mention that is one of the better things we spend money on. Those channels have alot of education that they pass to children that they otherwise might not get.

It is perfectly reasonable to hammer romney on the stupidity of that

If PBS and NPR only need such a small percent, they can rely on ad revenue from commercials. Its not the amount, its the principle. Half a billion could go to other things say like PTSD treatment for surviving war vets.

[spoon]

nah, it has fucking purpose and is a valid/viable gov funding allocation to the arts and education

how about we stop outpacing the world with military spending...but then the contractors can't continue to fleece the country to stay on top of this imaginary bloated need due to our hubris and pride in a show of power. how did that work for the USSR?

yah, not so much

you fund services like police, fire, schools, utilities like roads and networking...not fuel the need for war and aggression

but yah, fuck the teachers and PBS...that's where the bloat of the system is right?

Not more wars and it's materials on a credit card...not huge upticks in the biggest entitlement like Part D...it's PBS in the end.

[Snoogans]

If PBS and NPR only need such a small percent, they can rely on ad revenue from commercials. Its not the amount, its the principle. Half a billion could go to other things say like PTSD treatment for surviving war vets.

HAHAHAHAHA yea cause thats what would happen. You dont seem to understand what CUTS mean. They arent taking the money and using it for something else. They wouldnt be using it, and then acting like its helping bring down our debt.

Besides, you make them get commercials, it forces more of a control and slave to the masses that other channels have that make them suck. Im pretty sure this is the EXACT type of thing im happy that the government invests in.

regardless of the semantics of that, the fact that romney used that as one of the ONLY sure things he would cut to balance the budget is laughable. Thats why it keeps coming up.

Not to mention the other main thing he said, which is repeal obama care, which if you actually read the fuckin thing will ADD to the defecit and debt, while obamacare will actually reduce both over 10 years

[Snoogans]

i had this debate with my boss. He was sayin obama is doing a really shitty job, and one of the main things is he is weakening our defense to where we wont be able to fight back.

Then he went on to use his main point, that Obama wants to reduce the amount of active nukes we have to 300 from 5000 (keep in mind we actually have 2500 active, but forget about facts in a republican point).

I asked him if he thinks we need 5000 nukes and he said yes, we cant be having other countries think we cant defend ourselves.

You wanna cut some fuckin spending, right there is your chance. WE DONT NEED THOUSANDS OF NUKES. In the entire world history, only TWO have been used. you cant even use 2000 nukes. 300 is still more than 1 per other country.

But no no, lets keep all these nukes and cut fuckin PBS. that balances the budget

[WRESTLINGFAN]

nah, it has fucking purpose and is a valid/viable gov funding allocation to the arts and education

how about we stop outpacing the world with military spending...but then the contractors can't continue to fleece the country to stay on top of this imaginary bloated need due to our hubris and pride in a show of power. how did that work for the USSR?

yah, not so much

you fund services like police, fire, schools, utilities like roads and networking...not fuel the need for war and aggression

but yah, fuck the teachers and PBS...that's where the bloat of the system is right?

Not more wars and it's materials on a credit card...not huge upticks in the biggest entitlement like Part D...it's PBS in the end.

No one said to kill PBS. Let it operate in the free market.

So do you want your tax dollars going to fund an oil painting of a cathedral. How about a NEA grant to a skinhead taking a photo of a cross burning? Its not the governments business to determine what is and isn't art.

Youre preaching to the choir over military spending. Ive been one of the most adamant ones regarding the military adventures. Amazing how you think war is sexy since Obama became president. You were gushing over the illegal involvement in Libya.

I fund fire and police on a local level. I dont want to subsidize civil servants in LA

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i had this debate with my boss. He was sayin obama is doing a really shitty job, and one of the main things is he is weakening our defense to where we wont be able to fight back.

Then he went on to use his main point, that Obama wants to reduce the amount of active nukes we have to 300 from 5000 (keep in mind we actually have 2500 active, but forget about facts in a republican point).

I asked him if he thinks we need 5000 nukes and he said yes, we cant be having other countries think we cant defend ourselves.

You wanna cut some fuckin spending, right there is your chance. WE DONT NEED THOUSANDS OF NUKES. In the entire world history, only TWO have been used. you cant even use 2000 nukes. 300 is still more than 1 per other country.

But no no, lets keep all these nukes and cut fuckin PBS. that balances the budget

Youre talking to someone who is voting for Gary Johnson. I want the federal budget slashed everywhere from Defense to the copy machine repairman at the Dept of Education

[WRESTLINGFAN]

HAHAHAHAHA yea cause thats what would happen. You dont seem to understand what CUTS mean. They arent taking the money and using it for something else. They wouldnt be using it, and then acting like its helping bring down our debt.

Besides, you make them get commercials, it forces more of a control and slave to the masses that other channels have that make them suck. Im pretty sure this is the EXACT type of thing im happy that the government invests in.

regardless of the semantics of that, the fact that romney used that as one of the ONLY sure things he would cut to balance the budget is laughable. Thats why it keeps coming up.

Not to mention the other main thing he said, which is repeal obama care, which if you actually read the fuckin thing will ADD to the defecit and debt, while obamacare will actually reduce both over 10 years


Its nonsense to believe that another federal entitlement program will cut one penny to the debt/deficit.

[spoon]

Gushing! Yah that's accurate!

[Snoogans]

Its nonsense to believe that another federal entitlement program will cut one penny to the debt/deficit.

then you should probably go read the program. It inflates the debt a little at first to get shit in, but over 10 years will actually save us money cause of the less waste. And it will immediately bring down the defecit.

You know you can actually go look this up right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

then you should probably go read the program. It inflates the debt a little at first to get shit in, but over 10 years will actually save us money cause of the less waste. And it will immediately bring down the defecit.

You know you can actually go look this up right?

Just like the other gov't program, it saves money


:lol::lol::lol:

[Snoogans]

No one said to kill PBS. Let it operate in the free market.

So do you want your tax dollars going to fund an oil painting of a cathedral. How about a NEA grant to a skinhead taking a photo of a cross burning? Its not the governments business to determine what is and isn't art.

Youre preaching to the choir over military spending. Ive been one of the most adamant ones regarding the military adventures. Amazing how you think war is sexy since Obama became president. You were gushing over the illegal involvement in Libya.

I fund fire and police on a local level. I dont want to subsidize civil servants in LA

you dont seem to understand that PBS couldnt continue to be what it is in a free market. It would be changed by private pressures. The fact that it is a public broadcasting company with federal funding allows it to run alot of stuff it wouldnt otherwise be able to. Things that are educational and good for the country, but probably dont pull in the ratings to get enough commercial revenue. With all the negative agenda networks and cable networks out there, you should be happy there is still a few that can do their thing without having to worry about making people happy.

I know the art shit was to spoon, and i never argue it as arts. I argue it as educational. But it is a worthwhile thing for us to spend on.

Thats the exact kinda thing the gov should be spending on, rather than spending on being able to go into our homes and tell us what to do there.

I know you like Johnson. Im also voting for gary johnson. But smaller government doesnt mean not spending on things like PBS. It means less control over people and their actions. Im pretty sure if you ask GJ, he would tell you that he would NEVER cut funding for NPR or PBS cause that is a valuable thing.

[Snoogans]

Just like the other gov't program, it saves money


:lol::lol::lol:

once again. You can actually look this up. Im going by independent business and economic analysis.

Allen, in describing how he would cut debt, said repeal of the health care act would "save $1 trillion over a 10-year period."

The three studies he cites from conservative analysts don’t put the debt reduction anywhere near $1 trillion -- the closest he gets is $701 million in a report commissioned by the House Republican leadership. And a report by the nonpartisan CBO says the repeal of Obamacare would increase debt by $109 billion over 10 years.

most of the independent stuff says it will cut it.

and again, im not sayin i agree with obamacare. Just giving you a fact. I personally think the way GJ would handle it would probably end up working better. I would be more for that. Im just tellin you how things are

[hanso]

GOP registration worker charged with voter fraud (http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/19/14556980-gop-registration-worker-charged-with-voter-fraud?lite)

Guess there really is voter fraud...

I'm seeing this in many swing states. In mine they shut down NOW and teachers from doing it, yet these smucks get the GOP approval.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

once again. You can actually look this up. Im going by independent business and economic analysis.



most of the independent stuff says it will cut it.

and again, im not sayin i agree with obamacare. Just giving you a fact. I personally think the way GJ would handle it would probably end up working better. I would be more for that. Im just tellin you how things are

All the studies and reports, graphs and bean counting still isnt convincing. Why do you put so much faith in these numbers when time after time, program after program these plans are over budgeted

This government is inept everything they put their hands on

Obamacare is just another program which will have unintended consequences and rack in more debt.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you dont seem to understand that PBS couldnt continue to be what it is in a free market. It would be changed by private pressures. The fact that it is a public broadcasting company with federal funding allows it to run alot of stuff it wouldnt otherwise be able to. Things that are educational and good for the country, but probably dont pull in the ratings to get enough commercial revenue. With all the negative agenda networks and cable networks out there, you should be happy there is still a few that can do their thing without having to worry about making people happy.

I know the art shit was to spoon, and i never argue it as arts. I argue it as educational. But it is a worthwhile thing for us to spend on.

Thats the exact kinda thing the gov should be spending on, rather than spending on being able to go into our homes and tell us what to do there.

I know you like Johnson. Im also voting for gary johnson. But smaller government doesnt mean not spending on things like PBS. It means less control over people and their actions. Im pretty sure if you ask GJ, he would tell you that he would NEVER cut funding for NPR or PBS cause that is a valuable thing.

PBS would be able to compete in the free market with the same childrens shows and documentaries. Do you think that they have free rein on what to show since they are receiving a subsidy, although very small? Why does Bill Moyers a progressive have his own show but George Will someone who leans right doesnt? Its the government having an influence on what PBS broadcasts on TV and What NPR has on radio stations.




Smaller government to me is to operate within the limits of the constitution from civil liberties to the business climate.

[Dude!]

PBS would be able to compete in the free market with the same childrens shows and documentaries. Do you think that they have free rein on what to show since they are receiving a subsidy, although very small? Why does Bill Moyers a progressive have his own show but George Will someone who leans right doesnt? Its the government having an influence on what PBS broadcasts on TV and What NPR has on radio stations.

Smaller government to me is to operate within the limits of the constitution from civil liberties to the business climate.

Big Bird is a $400 million enterprise
and that fraud Moyers makes a bundle
off his phony smarmy show

PBS should not get $1
of public money

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Big Bird is a $400 million enterprise
and that fraud Moyers makes a bundle
off his phony smarmy show

PBS should not get $1
of public money

Its not just Big Bird. Elmo and the rest are cash cows too.

If PBS loses their subsidy. What happens? Maybe they wont show as many Lawrence Welk reruns?

[Snoogans]

again we miss the point. it wasnt about cutting PBS cause its not a worthy investment, you can debate that. Its that that was one of his 2 major points on how to help us get out of our whole, and hasnt said anything else he would cut to make up the differences. Thats why it matters to bring up PBS. Cause it was a ridiculous statement

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again we miss the point. it wasnt about cutting PBS cause its not a worthy investment, you can debate that. Its that that was one of his 2 major points on how to help us get out of our whole, and hasnt said anything else he would cut to make up the differences. Thats why it matters to bring up PBS. Cause it was a ridiculous statement

PBS is just one of many things that should not be on the federal coffers. Half a billion is nothing, in DC amounts. but its just one of many items on the budget that we shouldnt be borrowing to subsidize.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Look how the post office is facing a multibillion dollar shortfall. How about we pull the foreign aid and actually fund items like the Post office which are in the 18 enumerated powers.

Why should a billion dollars keep going towards Egypt every year?

Israel gets about 3 billion. We can cut the cord tomorrow and they still would have the firepower to turn the mid east into glass a thousand times over.

[A.J.]

Its not just Big Bird. Elmo and the rest are cash cows too.

If PBS loses their subsidy. What happens? Maybe they wont show as many Lawrence Welk reruns?

As long as they don't cancel this show. It's about a hard-drinking-yet-loving family of soccer hooligans. If they're not having a go with a bird, they're having a row with a wanker.

http://simpsonswiki.net/w/images/thumb/b/bd/Do_Shut_Up.png/250px-Do_Shut_Up.png

[A.J.]

how about we stop outpacing the world with military spending...but then the contractors can't continue to fleece the country to stay on top of this imaginary bloated need due to our hubris and pride in a show of power. how did that work for the USSR?

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Our great VP at it again


“How many of you know someone who served in Iraq or Iran,” asked Biden.

As people in the crowd including Senator Harry Reid raised their hands, Biden continued.

“How many of you know someone who has has been injured or lost in Iraq or Iran?” he asked.

[A.J.]

If that was Dan Quayle, it would have been all over the late night shows.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He will end up getting reelected by a huge margin. There were also reports he was using funds to redecorate his house.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/jesse-jackson-jr-mayo-cli_n_1987526.html

[spoon]

Look how the post office is facing a multibillion dollar shortfall. How about we pull the foreign aid and actually fund items like the Post office which are in the 18 enumerated powers.

Why should a billion dollars keep going towards Egypt every year?

Israel gets about 3 billion. We can cut the cord tomorrow and they still would have the firepower to turn the mid east into glass a thousand times over.

focus

[Kevin]

Look how the post office is facing a multibillion dollar shortfall. How about we pull the foreign aid and actually fund items like the Post office which are in the 18 enumerated powers.

Why should a billion dollars keep going towards Egypt every year?

Israel gets about 3 billion. We can cut the cord tomorrow and they still would have the firepower to turn the mid east into glass a thousand times over.


Yea no.

The only ones keeping the dogs away is the US. We back out and the next day they would be jumped on like a bloody steak. The one thing they hate more than eachother is Israel.

They have fire power but not that mucg.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea no.

The only ones keeping the dogs away is the US. We back out and the next day they would be jumped on like a bloody steak. The one thing they hate more than eachother is Israel.

They have fire power but not that mucg.

Israel fended off attacks multiple times specifically in '48 '67 and '73

With the weapons they have compiled since then, they can still survive

[Kevin]

Israel fended off attacks multiple times specifically in '48 '67 and '73

With the weapons they have compiled since then, they can still survive

Where they all multiple nations at once?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Where they all multiple nations at once?

In '67 They were attacked by Egypt, Jordan and Syria with support from other Arab countries.

For the Yom Kippur war they were attacked by Those same countries with support from a lot of the those Arab countries. The Soviets gave financial aid to the Arabs

[Snoogans]

PBS is just one of many things that should not be on the federal coffers. Half a billion is nothing, in DC amounts. but its just one of many items on the budget that we shouldnt be borrowing to subsidize.

right, but he didnt give any other things. He gave just that one. thats what makes it a good thing to bring up to him

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Eva Longoria re tweeted a comment about Romney in which he was called a twat.


She can trash Romney all she wants, but she uses the same bitch comment that Weiner used about her account being hacked.


She had to apologize. Why dont people just man the fuck up and take accountability. I would have respected her more if she said that she meant those comments.

[Snoogans]

Look how the post office is facing a multibillion dollar shortfall. How about we pull the foreign aid and actually fund items like the Post office which are in the 18 enumerated powers.

Why should a billion dollars keep going towards Egypt every year?

Israel gets about 3 billion. We can cut the cord tomorrow and they still would have the firepower to turn the mid east into glass a thousand times over.

this doesnt have anything to do with what we were debating though. No one said, or at least I didnt and didnt see anyone else say, that we should keep spending that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

right, but he didnt give any other things. He gave just that one. thats what makes it a good thing to bring up to him

Acknowledged, but ending a subsidy wont bring on the death of PBS.

I wish he would have said more things like the bloated farm bills passed every years. He could have made a few more points.

[Snoogans]

Israel fended off attacks multiple times specifically in '48 '67 and '73

With the weapons they have compiled since then, they can still survive

Where they all multiple nations at once?

honestly i sort of agree with WF on this one. We have given so much to Isreal, so much money and military power that im pretty sure they can defend themselves. in fact, and ill admit i dont know for sure, but i would think isreal could probably take over the entire middle east if they really really tried and did it the right way.

They dont really need our help anymore. Especially if us not helping them allows us to improve relations with certain other countries and calm things down a little.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

this doesnt have anything to do with what we were debating though. No one said, or at least I didnt and didnt see anyone else say, that we should keep spending that.

In a way it does because its all part of the federal budget.

Killing all foreign aid won't bring down the deficit, however the money could be used here.

If we have pulled out of Afghanistan say in 2010. With interest thats more than 100 billion which could have been used for items like the post office

[Snoogans]

Acknowledged, but ending a subsidy wont bring on the death of PBS.

I wish he would have said more things like the bloated farm bills passed every years. He could have made a few more points.

i read something today, and i cant say if i was on a completely neutral site or whatever. But i read about how when Romney was gov on Mass, he vetoed 800 bills, 750 of which were overridden by getting enough votes in the house and senate to force the shit through even though he vetoed it. Then he turned around in the POTUS campaign and bragged about how well alot of those things worked, as if he did something to help get them in.

I really am starting to think Romney actually has NO IDEA what he would do or he is talkin about and just wants to win so he can say he finally did something his daddy couldnt do.

How can you be so dumb or wrong or short sighted that 750 of the 800 bills you vetoed ended up gettin passed anyway cause they were good enough that both sides knew they had to be done. It feels like Mass succeeded under him inspite of him, not because of him

[Snoogans]

In a way it does because its all part of the federal budget.

Killing all foreign aid won't bring down the deficit, however the money could be used here.

If we have pulled out of Afghanistan say in 2010. With interest thats more than 100 billion which could have been used for items like the post office

Right which is why its actually a good idea for obama to keep bringing up PBS. Cause romney didnt think to mention ANY of that. In fact, Romney wants to spend MORE on military. Thats why its laughable that he would even mention PBS

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i read something today, and i cant say if i was on a completely neutral site or whatever. But i read about how when Romney was gov on Mass, he vetoed 800 bills, 750 of which were overridden by getting enough votes in the house and senate to force the shit through even though he vetoed it. Then he turned around in the POTUS campaign and bragged about how well alot of those things worked, as if he did something to help get them in.

I really am starting to think Romney actually has NO IDEA what he would do or he is talkin about and just wants to win so he can say he finally did something his daddy couldnt do.

How can you be so dumb or wrong or short sighted that 750 of the 800 bills you vetoed ended up gettin passed anyway cause they were good enough that both sides knew they had to be done. It feels like Mass succeeded under him inspite of him, not because of him


I guess hes probably trying to still piggyback off of Romneycare.

[Snoogans]

Acknowledged, but ending a subsidy wont bring on the death of PBS.

I wish he would have said more things like the bloated farm bills passed every years. He could have made a few more points.

i dont know if you meant this by farm bills, but im glad farming came up in some way.

I was watchin the reports about the dude who feeds his cows candy cause corn has gotten too expensive, and it just makes me sad knowing we pay BILLIONS TO FARMERS TO NOT GROW CORN. I dont know why, I guess to try to control the market. But if their is such a shortage, i know cause the drought, maybe it would help to not STOP PEOPLE FROM GROWING SHIT WE MAY NEED

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Right which is why its actually a good idea for obama to keep bringing up PBS. Cause romney didnt think to mention ANY of that. In fact, Romney wants to spend MORE on military. Thats why its laughable that he would even mention PBS

Im with you on the over the top military spending, Its too bloated as it is.

I think PBS subsidies cost taxpayers about $0.50 annually, however imagine what 500 Million per year could go to. It could go to improve and streamline the VA for example

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i dont know if you meant this by farm bills, but im glad farming came up in some way.

I was watchin the reports about the dude who feeds his cows candy cause corn has gotten too expensive, and it just makes me sad knowing we pay BILLIONS TO FARMERS TO NOT GROW CORN. I dont know why, I guess to try to control the market. But if their is such a shortage, i know cause the drought, maybe it would help to not STOP PEOPLE FROM GROWING SHIT WE MAY NEED

The farm bill subsidies are a joke. Jon Bon Jovi has some beehives in Jersey and he gets a nice subsidy.

In regards to corn, look how much is wasted towards ethanol

[Snoogans]

Im with you on the over the top military spending, Its too bloated as it is.

I think PBS subsidies cost taxpayers about $0.50 annually, however imagine what 500 Million per year could go to. It could go to improve and streamline the VA for example

again you are now arguing a point with me and spoon pretty much. The point of us thinkin they should fund PBS is a good point for debate. Im not automatically tellin you you are wrong. I dont agree, persay, but i can understand the argument.

But this kinda all came out of you goin after obama for still using big bird against romney, when its actually a very good thing to use cause it makes him look kinda stupid. Thats all i was sayin.

Now on a personal aside, yea half a billion is a good amount of money to get to add to a program. But you are missing the point. Mitt doesnt wanna take that money and use it for something else. He wants to not use it. thats what makes it so dumb of a point to make.

And also, if you cut and fixed the more important things, you could easily have a surplus of money while still funding PBS and NPR. Its not a big issue. thats why its silly. Its just something to dsitract people from realizing that he has no plan

[Snoogans]

The farm bill subsidies are a joke. Jon Bon Jovi has some beehives in Jersey and he gets a nice subsidy.

In regards to corn, look how much is wasted towards ethanol

i wouldnt call that a waste because that could end up saving us down the line. But if you are gonna use that much for it, at least let other people grow more for the people who want to eat it or use it as feed, so the price doesnt go through the roof.

Or, lets be really smart, and ALLOW FARMERS TO GROW FUCKIN HEMP. WHich is a great source of MANY things, including fuel. And would save us and make us TONS of money

[Jujubees2]

i read something today, and i cant say if i was on a completely neutral site or whatever. But i read about how when Romney was gov on Mass, he vetoed 800 bills, 750 of which were overridden by getting enough votes in the house and senate to force the shit through even though he vetoed it. Then he turned around in the POTUS campaign and bragged about how well alot of those things worked, as if he did something to help get them in.

I really am starting to think Romney actually has NO IDEA what he would do or he is talkin about and just wants to win so he can say he finally did something his daddy couldnt do.

How can you be so dumb or wrong or short sighted that 750 of the 800 bills you vetoed ended up gettin passed anyway cause they were good enough that both sides knew they had to be done. It feels like Mass succeeded under him inspite of him, not because of him

It's more like 800 vetoes.

Romney As Governor: 800 Vetoes And One Big Deal (http://www.npr.org/2012/06/13/154583216/romney-as-governor-confrontation-one-big-deal)

Romney issued some 800 vetoes, and the Legislature overrode nearly all of them, sometimes unanimously.

[Snoogans]

It's more like 800 vetoes.

Romney As Governor: 800 Vetoes And One Big Deal (http://www.npr.org/2012/06/13/154583216/romney-as-governor-confrontation-one-big-deal)

Romney issued some 800 vetoes, and the Legislature overrode nearly all of them, sometimes unanimously.

isnt 800 vetoes and vetoing 800 bills the same thing? or can governors veto just parts of things?

[PapaBear]

I think some states do have line item veto.

[spoon]

Israel fended off attacks multiple times specifically in '48 '67 and '73

With the weapons they have compiled since then, they can still survive

for once I agree with WF...and it stings

[Snoogans]

I think some states do have line item veto.

oh i thought only the pres had that, and only since bush

[Snoogans]

for once I agree with WF...and is stings

i was just sayin the same thing on IM. this stupid election has turned him from a clown to a reasonably sensible conversationalist who just has wrong ideas

[PapaBear]

for once I agree with WF...and is stings
You should have just said "WF made a correct statement". It doesn't sound as bad as actually agreeing with him.

[spoon]

i was just sayin the same thing on IM. this stupid election has turned him from a clown to a reasonably sensible conversationalist who just has wrong ideas

well, I'm not willing to go that far!

he's still WF, give it time...and he's said plenty that is completely biased and twisted in logic

[spoon]

You should have just said "WF made a correct statement". It doesn't sound as bad as actually agreeing with him.

NOW you tell me!

[PapaBear]

NOW you tell me!
I could edit it for you, but you're stomping me in the pathetic Pickem. You're my enemy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

for once I agree with WF...and it stings

Someone make that his new mod quote

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[PapaBear]

Someone make that his new mod quote

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
I'm on the anti mod quote team.

[Snoogans]

and yet some how, i end up with fuckin Dude in my modquote. Aint life a bitch?

Its all obamas fault. If his big government was so big, he woulda banned mod quotes by now

[PapaBear]

and yet some how, i end up with fuckin Dude in my modquote. Aint life a bitch?

Its all obamas fault. If his big government was so big, he woulda banned mod quotes by now
I think you have to petition Michelle to get stuff banned.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I still can't believe that some people dont know that they are not voting for the candidate directly and they dont know how the electoral college works

[PapaBear]

I still can't believe that some people dont know that they are not voting for the candidate directly and they dont know how the electoral college works
I was just trying to find a simple list of myths most people believe to be true. One of the web sites had "5 false myths which people believe are real". Isn't a false myth the fucking truth? :wallbash:

[spoon]

I'm on the anti mod quote team.

i'm the anti mod

:furious:

[spoon]

I was just trying to find a simple list of myths most people believe to be true. One of the web sites had "5 false myths which people believe are real". Isn't a false myth the fucking truth? :wallbash:

that seems to be on off truth

[PapaBear]

i'm the anti mod

:furious:
We should compile a list of your anti mod quotes. But I don't think the server is big enough.

[Snoogans]

I was just trying to find a simple list of myths most people believe to be true. One of the web sites had "5 false myths which people believe are real". Isn't a false myth the fucking truth? :wallbash:

awesome.

I was in a discussion with Kevin about how dumb the world is getting now. And I told him no, its ALWAYS been that dumb. We just didnt have the internet to hear about it all

[spoon]

We should compile a list of your anti mod quotes. But I don't think the server is big enough.

and yet I'm still ronfez.net's sweetest poster

:innocent:

[Jujubees2]

I still can't believe that some people dont know that they are not voting for the candidate directly and they dont know how the electoral college works

Saw an interesting video today about what would happen if the two candidates finished tied in the electoral college. The next president would be decided by the House of Representatives but the way it works is that each state only gets one vote.

How Someone Could Win The Popular Vote And Electoral College, But Still Lose The Election (http://www.upworthy.com/how-someone-could-win-the-popular-vote-and-electoral-college-but-still-lose-the?c=bl3)

[spoon]

awesome.

I was in a discussion with Kevin about how dumb the world is getting now. And I told him no, its ALWAYS been that dumb. We just didnt have the internet to hear about it all

funny that you were discussing THAT with HIM

[Kevin]

funny that you were discussing THAT with HIM

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Kevin]

You would make excuses and blame it on Aliens or something on why it so dumb and then be embarrassed by being proved completely wrong but just keep doing it and not being smart enough and delusional..

[spoon]

wake up kevin, game 5 is on...oh wait

http://barkbarkwoofwoof.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Tigers-Sweep-10-19-12.jpg

another 200+ million

:flush:

[spoon]

You would make excuses and blame it on Aliens or something on why it so dumb and then be embarrassed by being proved completely wrong but just keep doing it and not being smart enough and delusional..

good point Mensa

[Kevin]

Fuck

I forgot...

I am not important til April now.

Lets play a game of who Am I.

THE YANKEE PLAYERS DONT SUCK.

THEY DON'T HIT IN BIG SPOTS AND K ALOT BECAUSE OF JOE GIRARDI AND KEVIN LONG.

ITS NOT THEM. ITS THE COACHING!!!

NICK SWISHER WOULD BE MIGGY IF HE HAD BETTER COACHING.

[Kevin]

Oh yea

AND WINNING THE WS ISN'T IMPORTANT NOW THAT MY TEAM AND PLAYERS CAN'T DO IT.

[spoon]

You would make excuses and blame it on Aliens or something on why it so dumb and then be embarrassed by being proved completely wrong but just keep doing it and not being smart enough and delusional..

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23255804.jpg

That was like listening to a 3 year old who just ate a box of gummi bears and drank a case of soda while getting hit in the head by a bus.

[spoon]

you're MENSA Kevin and your Caps Lock is broken?

[Snoogans]

wait a second. wasnt this about obama and romney and isreal and shit?

[PapaBear]

wait a second. wasnt this about obama and romney and isreal and shit?
It's basically the same thing.

[Snoogans]

It's basically the same thing.

which one is isreal? Kevin is technically muslim so lets call him Iran. Spoon is Isreal. Im the United States and WrestlingFan is Sicily

[spoon]

which one is isreal? Kevin is technically muslim so lets call him Iran. Spoon is Isreal. Im the United States and WrestlingFan is Sicily

Ha!

:lol:

[Kevin]

which one is isreal? Kevin is technically muslim so lets call him Iran. Spoon is Isreal. Im the United States and WrestlingFan is Sicily

Spoon, Israel. perfect.

Someone who doesn't care about reason and is just me me me. Has enabler friends that make him think he is right about everything and can do anything.

[PapaBear]

Spoon, Israel. perfect.

Someone who doesn't care about reason and is just me me me. Has enabler friends that make him think he is right about everything and can do anything.
Snoogans is a fucking genius.

[Snoogans]

Snoogans is a fucking genius.

yea except in my scenario, that means im spoons enabler friend that allows him to go be a dick all over the place.

Spoonamin Netanyahu

[spoon]

nice to see Kev's love of Israel shine through

you are about as educated and worldly as one might expect of the role you've picked up

bravo kev!

[Kevin]

yea except in my scenario, that means im spoons enabler friend that allows him to go be a dick all over the place.

Spoonamin Netanyahu

They both use stupid pictures to make points.

http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gp3_small_article/netanyahu_bomb.jpg

[Snoogans]

They both use stupid pictures to make points.

http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gp3_small_article/netanyahu_bomb.jpg

GODDAMN HA. Fuckin Benji. Dis a bomb, dis a fuse, SHUT UP FAG. Why can you have them and no one else? NO ONE IS GONNA LAUNCH A FUCKIN NUKE AT YOU. THEY ARENT THAT DUMB

edit: i cant stop fuckin laughin at how perfect that post was. Fuckin Kevin gets one in for the Iranians

[spoon]

Spoon, Israel. perfect.

Someone who doesn't care about reason and is just me me me. Has enabler friends that make him think he is right about everything and can do anything.

this is just too good to even comment further on

[Dude!]

Spoon, Israel. perfect.

Someone who doesn't care about reason and is just me me me. Has enabler friends that make him think he is right about everything and can do anything.

not sure about the Israel diss
but you nailed the little loser
just right, except that you
understated it...
he's clinically narcissistic

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The 2nd Obama Romney Debate wasnt as lively as this


http://www.mediaite.com/online/democratic-rep-keith-ellison-calls-opponent-scumbag-twice-during-debate-later-apologizes/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama made a comment about the death of Stevens and 3 others not being optimal

Everyone says Mitt is a robot , however off script this president is not that articulate .

[Dude!]

Obama made a comment about the death of Stevens and 3 others not being optimal.

i think obama was thinking
that if it had been 12 killed,
that would have been optimal

[Snoogans]

Obama made a comment about the death of Stevens and 3 others not being optimal

Everyone says Mitt is a robot , however off script this president is not that articulate .

people are taking that way out of context. It was on the daily show.

Jon Stewart asked him if the handling of that was optimal, so he was kinda just using Jon Stewarts words to say no, of course not. In a transcript it looks really bad, but if you watch the actual interview, the tone of it sorta fits. I think thats why its not being made a bigger deal of.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't think he meant it to just write off those deaths , however he tends to go off key a lot

[Snoogans]

I don't think he meant it to just write off those deaths , however he tends to go off key a lot

that might be true, but he used the word in direct response to stewart. I dont think it was about that, I think it was cause Stewart specifically used that word. im tryin to find the video to post in here

[Snoogans]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZFgW88Iq_pg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Snoogans]

i give some credit too, to jon stewart. He wasnt just lobbing up softballs to him. He dub into him a little bit, askign about the poor debate performance, the attacks, he asked some sorta tough shit

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know both Mitt and Obama have given thousands of appearances interviews etc. throughout their political careers

There are going to be some words that might not come out the right way and there should be some leeway and given benefit of the doubt

I think people are reading too much in the women full of binders comment. There are legit gaffes like that and the optimal comment, however when people make comments like Blumenthal about serving In Vietnam, that needs to be called out for

[Snoogans]

I know both Mitt and Obama have given thousands of appearances interviews etc. throughout their political careers

There are going to be some words that might not come out the right way and there should be some leeway and given benefit of the doubt

I think people are reading too much in the women full of binders comment. There are legit gaffes like that and the optimal comment, however when people make comments like Blumenthal about serving In Vietnam, that needs to be called out for

yea to me binders full of women is also a non issue. No one speaks perfect. Even an idiot im sure got the point romney was tryin to make with that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In instances like the binders issue, I think if the moderator hears that term and picks up on it immediately, they can ask a follow up with something like what do you mean by binders full of women, then the reply can be let me elaborate what I meant was, having binders with resumes of women who were qualified

Another example could be if a candidate criticizes his opponent for some line item on the budget being 10 billion over budget when he meant to say 10 million. The moderator can correct him and it wouldnt be a 5 day news event.

[spoon]

not sure about the Israel diss
but you nailed the little loser
just right, except that you
understated it...
he's clinically narcissistic

Perfect!

When you pick up the Dude! endorsement, you KNOW you're on to the truth!



almost forgot..."me"

[spoon]

In instances like the binders issue, I think if the moderator hears that term and picks up on it immediately, they can ask a follow up with something like what do you mean by binders full of women, then the reply can be let me elaborate what I meant was, having binders with resumes of women who were qualified

Another example could be if a candidate criticizes his opponent for some line item on the budget being 10 billion over budget when he meant to say 10 million. The moderator can correct him and it wouldnt be a 5 day news event.

yet like the tax rundown, Mitt didn't show anything he'd do or has done in terms of policy or something of impact on this issue. he simply didn't answer the question and licked his own ass for hiring women on his cabinet. I'm sorry, that answer was borderline pathetic...especially in the face of the question asked of Obama after Mitt's response.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/285703_442573069113533_158398436_n.jpg


FYI Info on Gary Johnson and other 3rd party candidates debating. Its The day after Mitt and Obama's 3rd round



http://news.yahoo.com/minor-candidates-debate-tuesday-175934447--abc-news-politics.html;_ylt=A2KLOzJj4oJQMwsAPvXQtDMD

[spoon]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/285703_442573069113533_158398436_n.jpg


FYI Info on Gary Johnson and other 3rd party candidates debating. Its The day after Mitt and Obama's 3rd round



http://news.yahoo.com/minor-candidates-debate-tuesday-175934447--abc-news-politics.html;_ylt=A2KLOzJj4oJQMwsAPvXQtDMD


I would say that chart is just a little biased in one direction with THAT language and some half truths

[Kevin]

Perfect!

When you pick up the Dude! endorsement, you KNOW you're on to the truth!



almost forgot..."me"

Or maybe the rational and non narcissistic person could see it as..

Hey, two people who generally don't agree on anything, Agree that I am a dipshit who brings nothing but same old stupid insults and no substance to arguments, then maybe it is me that is in the wrong.

But hey, crazy people don't think they are crazy.

I wonder if when you post, you do it while looking at yourself in the mirror?

That would explain your lack of substance.

QUE THE SPELLING AND GRAMMAR JOKES TO VAIL THE NOTHINGNESS YOU HAVE!!!!

[spoon]

Or maybe the rational and non narcissistic person could see it as..

Hey, two people who generally don't agree on anything, Agree that I am a dipshit who brings nothing but same old stupid insults and no substance to arguments, then maybe it is me that is in the wrong.

But hey, crazy people don't think they are crazy.

I wonder if when you post, you do it while looking at yourself in the mirror?

That would explain your lack of substance.

QUE THE SPELLING AND GRAMMAR JOKES TO VAIL THE NOTHINGNESS YOU HAVE!!!!

you truly are the person you attempt to write about

If you think ANY of that shit applies to Dude!, much less that your post is on to anything at all, you're more idiotic than I thought. Which in the end is tough to surpass at this point.

But hey, me!

[Snoogans]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/285703_442573069113533_158398436_n.jpg


FYI Info on Gary Johnson and other 3rd party candidates debating. Its The day after Mitt and Obama's 3rd round



http://news.yahoo.com/minor-candidates-debate-tuesday-175934447--abc-news-politics.html;_ylt=A2KLOzJj4oJQMwsAPvXQtDMD

this is the sad part. they arent carrying that debate on ANY US tv station. But English language russian TV channel Russia Today will be carrying it....IN RUSSIA.

Ill be checkin it out, if only to see what some of these people have to say. The main reason they should be heard in the normal debate is they may have actual good ideas that the person who ends up winning can then draw on, instead of never know about.

And yea, that chart is a bit biased, and clearly came from GJ supporters. However, as far as i can tell, it does represent their actual stance on each issue

edit:maybe it does go overboard to half truths on some of them after reading the whole thing.

Thats actually a shame, cause that kinda shit does more bad than good for a guy who needs all the good he can get and has legitimately good ideas. He doesnt need that kinda thing to make him look good

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I would say that chart is just a little biased in one direction with THAT language and some half truths

Its accurate to me. Both Mitt and Obama have similar policies, but they differ in carrying them out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

this is the sad part. they arent carrying that debate on ANY US tv station. But English language russian TV channel Russia Today will be carrying it....IN RUSSIA.

Ill be checkin it out, if only to see what some of these people have to say. The main reason they should be heard in the normal debate is they may have actual good ideas that the person who ends up winning can then draw on, instead of never know about.

And yea, that chart is a bit biased, and clearly came from GJ supporters. However, as far as i can tell, it does represent their actual stance on each issue

edit:maybe it does go overboard to half truths on some of them after reading the whole thing.

Thats actually a shame, cause that kinda shit does more bad than good for a guy who needs all the good he can get and has legitimately good ideas. He doesnt need that kinda thing to make him look good

For people who dont subscribe to D or R, this will be good because Im sure the green party candidate will criticize Obamacare for not being truly single payer and Gary Johnson will call out Romney for his big government policies, at the same time they will debate each other on the issues they stand for

[Snoogans]

For people who dont subscribe to D or R, this will be good because Im sure the green party candidate will criticize Obamacare for not being truly single payer and Gary Johnson will call out Romney for his big government policies, at the same time they will debate each other on the issues they stand for

jill stein is the green party cand right?

[spoon]

It's nice to see a person who has been DESTROYED constantly in any argument we've had on any topic, yet somehow you have this vision you've been right? Kevin, I've yet to see you win a SINGLE argument on this site without crying like a bitch, attempting to get personal and putting personal bullshit on the web and flat out taking your ball and disappearing for long periods. You live in this delusion you speak of and yes, your grammar and spelling are atrocious...fuck your whole grasp of the English language would make blind people reading it via braille cut off their fucking fingers.

I get it, you REALLY think it's Rivers to blame in SD, not Turner and I still think that's IDIOTIC. Very few QBs and teams win Championships and no I've never put him on that ELITE level in terms of winning or talent. He's a very good qb in a shit system with a shitty coach and awful management. Yet you want to point out any time, LOUDLY, he has a bad game, quarter or year as if that point in time could even prove one side of this argument or the other. It's called using a large sample and changing of factors to feel this out, and Norv has a HUGE sample that speaks to my argument, Rivers has a sample that the majority flies in the face of your argument, despite the barriers set upon him. Rivers worst year in the NFL was a .500 season and he's had very little to work with on the other side of the ball. You have nothing to back your argument outside of screaming any time he has a bad moment on the field and then commence attacking me when I call you out on it. I have YET to see where I'm making this about me and or attacking you like you repeatedly are here. Someone's dick hurt? Did I poke fun too much on something that made you cry? I have to say, it's fucking hilarious how big and tough you are here, and please by all means continue to go that route. I take good notes.

[spoon]

For people who dont subscribe to D or R, this will be good because Im sure the green party candidate will criticize Obamacare for not being truly single payer and Gary Johnson will call out Romney for his big government policies, at the same time they will debate each other on the issues they stand for

No Snoogans is right, if your stance is solid and you truly back them, keep it accurate and not emotional. The information alone will carry the weight, not some attacks that are clearly in there. Just report the true stance, not fill it with hyperbole and snide remarks bordering on attacks.

And we talk of how naive Obama truly was in his actual desire to change things...let's be honest, GJ's policies at times are very solid in theory, but NO WAY IN HELL would he even get them through or even close so it's a pipe dream scenario overall. You have to chip away, not just dump things. The patriot act category alone would have been solid if not for some of the other bullshit like saying "NO WAY!" on bailouts in the face of a possible oncoming depression. Sorry, reduce spending 43% for the gov overall and only 43% in the military just isn't going to happen. Not now, not ever.

[Kevin]

It's nice to see a person who has been DESTROYED constantly in any argument we've had on any topic, yet somehow you have this vision you've been right? Kevin, I've yet to see you win a SINGLE argument on this site without crying like a bitch, attempting to get personal and putting personal bullshit on the web and flat out taking your ball and disappearing for long periods. You live in this delusion you speak of and yes, your grammar and spelling are atrocious...fuck your whole grasp of the English language would make blind people reading it via braille cut off their fucking fingers.

I get it, you REALLY think it's Rivers to blame in SD, not Turner and I still think that's IDIOTIC. Very few QBs and teams win Championships and no I've never put him on that ELITE level in terms of winning or talent. He's a very good qb in a shit system with a shitty coach and awful management. Yet you want to point out any time, LOUDLY, he has a bad game, quarter or year as if that point in time could even prove one side of this argument or the other. It's called using a large sample and changing of factors to feel this out, and Norv has a HUGE sample that speaks to my argument, Rivers has a sample that the majority flies in the face of your argument, despite the barriers set upon him. Rivers worst year in the NFL was a .500 season and he's had very little to work with on the other side of the ball. You have nothing to back your argument outside of screaming any time he has a bad moment on the field and then commence attacking me when I call you out on it. I have YET to see where I'm making this about me and or attacking you like you repeatedly are here. Someone's dick hurt? Did I poke fun too much on something that made you cry? I have to say, it's fucking hilarious how big and tough you are here, and please by all means continue to go that route. I take good notes.

Ok troll, move along. You are right, I am wrong.


You are the High Lord Executioner.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

jill stein is the green party cand right?

Yup, she was one of the people arrested at the Hofstra debate

[spoon]

troll?!

thanks fez!

[Snoogans]

No Snoogans is right, if your stance is solid and you truly back them, keep it accurate and not emotional. The information alone will carry the weight, not some attacks that are clearly in there. Just report the true stance, not fill it with hyperbole and snide remarks bordering on attacks.

And we talk of how naive Obama truly was in his actual desire to change things...let's be honest, GJ's policies at times are very solid in theory, but NO WAY IN HELL would he even get them through or even close so it's a pipe dream scenario overall. You have to chip away, not just dump things. The patriot act category alone would have been solid if not for some of the other bullshit like saying "NO WAY!" on bailouts in the face of a possible oncoming depression. Sorry, reduce spending 43% for the gov overall and only 43% in the military just isn't going to happen. Not now, not ever.

well it revolves around having a much smaller government and privatizing alot of things we already pay for. And I agree it would take a while for him to get much done, however when he was gov of New Mexico he was a republican. so he does still have a bit of pull with them, although not much.

Dont sleep on his ability to make some noise though, cause he is picking up alot of support from the Ron Paul heads. Also, though no one mentions him, I am a big fan of GJs running mate, Judge Jim Gray. He seems to know how things work pretty well in terms of life and the justice system

[Snoogans]

spoon this lays things out pretty well, incase you wanna take a bit deeper, and more reasonable and factual look at most of what GJ thinks. i think it was posted in here before but awhile ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Gary_Johnson

[spoon]

Or maybe the rational and non narcissistic person could see it as..

Hey, two people who generally don't agree on anything, Agree that I am a dipshit who brings nothing but same old stupid insults and no substance to arguments, then maybe it is me that is in the wrong.

But hey, crazy people don't think they are crazy.

I wonder if when you post, you do it while looking at yourself in the mirror?

That would explain your lack of substance.

QUE THE SPELLING AND GRAMMAR JOKES TO VAIL THE NOTHINGNESS YOU HAVE!!!!

It's nice to see a person who has been DESTROYED constantly in any argument we've had on any topic, yet somehow you have this vision you've been right? Kevin, I've yet to see you win a SINGLE argument on this site without crying like a bitch, attempting to get personal and putting personal bullshit on the web and flat out taking your ball and disappearing for long periods. You live in this delusion you speak of and yes, your grammar and spelling are atrocious...fuck your whole grasp of the English language would make blind people reading it via braille cut off their fucking fingers.

I get it, you REALLY think it's Rivers to blame in SD, not Turner and I still think that's IDIOTIC. Very few QBs and teams win Championships and no I've never put him on that ELITE level in terms of winning or talent. He's a very good qb in a shit system with a shitty coach and awful management. Yet you want to point out any time, LOUDLY, he has a bad game, quarter or year as if that point in time could even prove one side of this argument or the other. It's called using a large sample and changing of factors to feel this out, and Norv has a HUGE sample that speaks to my argument, Rivers has a sample that the majority flies in the face of your argument, despite the barriers set upon him. Rivers worst year in the NFL was a .500 season and he's had very little to work with on the other side of the ball. You have nothing to back your argument outside of screaming any time he has a bad moment on the field and then commence attacking me when I call you out on it. I have YET to see where I'm making this about me and or attacking you like you repeatedly are here. Someone's dick hurt? Did I poke fun too much on something that made you cry? I have to say, it's fucking hilarious how big and tough you are here, and please by all means continue to go that route. I take good notes.

Ok troll, move along. You are right, I am wrong.


You are the High Lord Executioner.

would you like to borrow my mirror?

for fuck's sake

:wallbash:

[Snoogans]

Yup, she was one of the people arrested at the Hofstra debate

she has a few good ideas, however i dont think, regardless of reason, that its very responsible for a pres candidate to get themselves arrested, esp after the cops let them make their point, let them get some media, and then gave them like 15 chances to get out of the street

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No Snoogans is right, if your stance is solid and you truly back them, keep it accurate and not emotional. The information alone will carry the weight, not some attacks that are clearly in there. Just report the true stance, not fill it with hyperbole and snide remarks bordering on attacks.

And we talk of how naive Obama truly was in his actual desire to change things...let's be honest, GJ's policies at times are very solid in theory, but NO WAY IN HELL would he even get them through or even close so it's a pipe dream scenario overall. You have to chip away, not just dump things. The patriot act category alone would have been solid if not for some of the other bullshit like saying "NO WAY!" on bailouts in the face of a possible oncoming depression. Sorry, reduce spending 43% for the gov overall and only 43% in the military just isn't going to happen. Not now, not ever.

There are still millions of people that still are going to vote for the mainstream candidate and are reluctant for real change.

I know Military spending wont go down that much if he was ever to get elected, However in a perfect world if he was elected and it could be reduced by 15-20% we would still have a military with immense weapons and firepower.

For the patriot act, that could be chipped away over a period of time. I know there are programs that cant be eliminated overnight just as hundreds of thousands of troops cant be withdrawn tomorrow. I was in the military and my battalion was about 1000 men. It took months of planning for deployments and withdraws

If the federal reserve was scaled back and eventually eliminated and there was a central bank that wasnt controlled by private banks and families, maybe there would be an alternative to bailouts.

[Kevin]

http://danielle.thevelvetropehairstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IMG058-768x1024.jpg

[spoon]

spoon this lays things out pretty well, incase you wanna take a bit deeper, and more reasonable and factual look at most of what GJ thinks. i think it was posted in here before but awhile ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Gary_Johnson

Trust me, I'd LOVE a third party option, lack of parties or even more than three. It's not that I don't like all his policies, I see eye to eye with him more than more politicians on both aisles, but if you truly want to make a dent in this system you need to be realistic. I fear most only go to the third party bc they can't get the nod of the big two. Some are different, but even Nader tried to get the GOP nod, even if he stayed true to most his beliefs.

[Snoogans]

Trust me, I'd LOVE a third party option, lack of parties or even more than three. It's not that I don't like all his policies, I see eye to eye with him more than more politicians on both aisles, but if you truly want to make a dent in this system you need to be realistic. I fear most only go to the third party bc they can't get the nod of the big two. Some are different, but even Nader tried to get the GOP nod, even if he stayed true to most his beliefs.

at this point, im just hopin he gets enough Paul heads behind him to get a decent chunk, maybe like 7 8% vote. That will at least make enough noise to make the cause more relevant. It was only 20 years ago a third party candidate was on track to win the fuckin election, so i dont buy into this no hope, wasted vote shit

[spoon]

with this new financial support system/funding

there is literally no hope and it's a wasted vote

the top two parties and their money, especially on a national level election, is HUGE

[WRESTLINGFAN]

at this point, im just hopin he gets enough Paul heads behind him to get a decent chunk, maybe like 7 8% vote. That will at least make enough noise to make the cause more relevant. It was only 20 years ago a third party candidate was on track to win the fuckin election, so i dont buy into this no hope, wasted vote shit

In a way, the GOP was sort of a 3rd party when the Whigs dissolved. I know that was 150 years ago but who knows it could happen again. Eventually the electorate is going to have enough of the major parties and influence by money and special interests

The reform party did have a chance but I remember hearing about infighting within the party so they lost a lot of ground

[Snoogans]

In a way, the GOP was sort of a 3rd party when the Whigs dissolved. I know that was 150 years ago but who knows it could happen again. Eventually the electorate is going to have enough of the major parties and influence by money and special interests

The reform party did have a chance but I remember hearing about infighting within the party so they lost a lot of ground

also, i think some of the moderates on both sides are becoming disgusted by how far apart the sides have gotten and all the BS fighting. There are definately conditions to make for a third parties arrival in the next couple years. Its just a matter of enough people sayin to hell with the BS, lets finally do something about it

[Snoogans]

with this new financial support system/funding

there is literally no hope and it's a wasted vote

the top two parties and their money, especially on a national level election, is HUGE

i guess, but all you need is one rich dude who fits GJ or some other third parties ideals to get behind them. And as the younger people come up and make more and more money, its definately becoming more possible. A third party just needs 1 billionaire to get behind them, and its a whole different place

[Snoogans]

can you only take donations from people in the US? Or would you be allowed to take a donation from someone in another country who thinks you would make a better pres?

[keithy_19]

spoon this lays things out pretty well, incase you wanna take a bit deeper, and more reasonable and factual look at most of what GJ thinks. i think it was posted in here before but awhile ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Gary_Johnson

I did something once! Woo! :happy:

[epo]

she has a few good ideas, however i dont think, regardless of reason, that its very responsible for a pres candidate to get themselves arrested, esp after the cops let them make their point, let them get some media, and then gave them like 15 chances to get out of the street

I have no doubt that Ben Manski, her idiot campaign manager, put her up to it.

[epo]

can you only take donations from people in the US? Or would you be allowed to take a donation from someone in another country who thinks you would make a better pres?

Citizens only. Citizens living in foreign countries qualify.

[epo]

i guess, but all you need is one rich dude who fits GJ or some other third parties ideals to get behind them. And as the younger people come up and make more and more money, its definately becoming more possible. A third party just needs 1 billionaire to get behind them, and its a whole different place

No it's not. They have zero infrastructure which makes the entire campaign an exercise in futility.

[Snoogans]

No it's not. They have zero infrastructure which makes the entire campaign an exercise in futility.

unless they find some rich guy to spend tons on ads for them

[epo]

unless they find some rich guy to spend tons on ads for them

No way. They don't have the ground game to win a national race. The top-down model which 3rd parties use is the exact reason why they are 3rd parties.

[spoon]

unless they find some rich guy to spend tons on ads for them

it will take a whole lot more than one billionaire's funding and a huge ad campaign...hell the top two parties all but have a 50/50 shot at getting their guy in every election and still seem to be involved in bullshit tactics to rig things in their favor...sometimes outright criminal activity too, not just political tactics, suppression and the like.

[Snoogans]

its not about winning. I mean just getting the third party relevant and heard and into debates and shit. Thats the part that would ultimately, over time, help put them over. But you gotta get to there first

[spoon]

its not about winning. I mean just getting the third party relevant and heard and into debates and shit. Thats the part that would ultimately, over time, help put them over. But you gotta get to there first

that is much more possible and surely a better plan

show viability and credibility, not craziness and just a contrarian take on everything

[epo]

With either goal they are doing it the wrong way. Grab some state legislative seats, get a congressional district...prove you have infrastructure and the public will take you seriously.

Until then, they are nothing more than a waste of time.

[Dude!]

hey epo, i saw your senate
debate on c-span...

both candidates are complete
douches: thompson is a doddering
old fool, and the dyke is a psycho bitch

what a state you got

[spoon]

With either goal they are doing it the wrong way. Grab some state legislative seats, get a congressional district...prove you have infrastructure and the public will take you seriously.

Until then, they are nothing more than a waste of time.

I wouldn't call it a waste of time, but surely a very huge uphill battle...but worth fighting if the conviction and heart is truly there.

And Dude never fails to show the class!

[epo]

I wouldn't call it a waste of time, but surely a very huge uphill battle...but worth fighting if the conviction and heart is truly there.

And Dude never fails to show the class!

I agree with you on Dude, and understand your sentiment on the uphill battle.

However, if they want that uphill battle to sustain, they need to do it from the bottom-up. Its the only path to sustainability.

And Dude is just Dude...a goddamned mess.

[Dude!]

And Dude is just Dude...a goddamned mess.

you so wish you could be me

[Snoogans]

you so wish you could be me

wait a second. Did you actually just make a post that was all in one line?

[keithy_19]

what a second. Did you actually just make a post that was all in one line?

you
so wish
you could be
me

[brettmojo]

you so wish you could be me

wait a second. Did you actually just make a post that was all in one line?

The gimmick is over.

[epo]

wait a second. Did you actually just make a post that was all in one line?

The
Gimmick is
Broken!

[PapaBear]

Sadly, it's not. He's done it before.

[Dude!]

He's done it before.

many times

[spoon]

it's awful

it's stupid

it's Dude!

[Dude!]

my posts are the only thing
that keep people coming
to this awful site

and they are 10,000 times better
than the usual spoon post, which reads:

Me me me me me me me I me I me me I me I me I me me me me me me me me I me I me me I me I me I me me me me me me me me I me I me me I me I me I me me me me me me me me I me I me me I me I me I me me me me me me me me I me I me me I me I me I me me me me me me me me I me I me me I me I me I me me me me me me me me I me I me me I me I me I me me me me me me me me I me I me me I me I me I me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Supposedly Gloria Allred has an October surprise. When will she be parading a woman out claiming Romney tried to sexually abuse her?

[Dude!]

Supposedly Gloria Allred has an October surprise. When will she be parading a woman out claiming Romney tried to sexually abuse her?

Donald Trump says
he has one too

it should be a fun 2 weeks!

[Dude!]

Supposedly Gloria Allred has an October surprise. When will she be parading a woman out claiming Romney tried to sexually abuse her?

she's bringing out Tawana Brawley
to say that Romney scrawled
a feces swastika on her aborted baby

[Furtherman]

Donald Trump says
he has one too

it should be a fun 2 weeks!

Trump claimed he sent a private investagator to Hawaii to prove the President was born in Kenya.

Whatever Trump claims he has, it will be like all the previous ones: shit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Trump claimed he sent a private investagator to Hawaii to prove the President was born in Kenya.

Whatever Trump claims he has, it will be like all the previous ones: shit.

He's on par with Al Sharpton

[Dude!]

Trump claimed he sent a private investagator to Hawaii to prove the President was born in Kenya.

Whatever Trump claims he has, it will be like all the previous ones: shit.

you should stick to
volcanos and thunderstorms

[hanso]

Supposedly Gloria Allred has an October surprise. When will she be parading a woman out claiming Romney tried to sexually abuse her?

Binders Full of Women!

[Furtherman]

you should stick to
volcanos and thunderstorms

How about Earthquakes?

[Melk]

Supposedly Gloria Allred has an October surprise. When will she be parading a woman out claiming Romney tried to sexually abuse her?
I just don't understand why people are so ethically bankrupt that they will withhold information that has value to the public until close to the election.

[Jujubees2]

Supposedly Gloria Allred has an October surprise. When will she be parading a woman out claiming Romney tried to sexually abuse her?

Nah, Romney was just trying to make her wife #2. It's the only way to heaven.

[keithy_19]

Trump claimed he sent a private investagator to Hawaii to prove the President was born in Kenya.

Whatever Trump claims he has, it will be like all the previous ones: shit.

How you can still believe that Obama is American is beyond me.

:innocent:

[A.J.]

How you can still believe that Obama is American is beyond me.

:innocent:

He's not. He's a citizen of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He's not. He's a citizen of the Kingdom of Hawaii.



Ahh!! So that's how he got that southern accent