2012 POTUS and Congress General election off-season thread

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Food Stamp economy.


Psst. You can't cry racism. Most people on food stamps are white. Furthermore since this is one of Obamas legacies, racism cant be said either. The writer of the article is black.




http://news.yahoo.com/food-stamp-economy-080000921.html

[Syd]

At 2 percent, the economy produces too few jobs to make a dent in the nearly 8 percent unemployment rate.

http://i.imgur.com/HDd2R.jpg

Also capitalism can't continue without a collapse, because capitalism requires permanent growth over time. This is at odds with the basic laws of physics, along with the basic fact that there's only so much of raw materials on Earth to be recovered.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This country has not been practicing capitalism for at least 100 years. In 1913 both the 16th amendment and Federal Reserve came into existence . This allowed the central bank (a private bank) to work in concert with the treasury department to manipulate currency, devalue it, cause bubbles and bursts and expand the growth of the federal government

Toss in the birth of the welfare state and military industrial complex and here we are

[Jujubees2]

Hey WF,

Did you ever think about moving to Hong Kong?

US comes in 10th on index of world's freest economies (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economywatch/)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hey WF,

Did you ever think about moving to Hong Kong?

US comes in 10th on index of world's freest economies (http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economywatch/)

I've been to HK and while It's a very nice place to visit. I wouldn't want to live there. I like cities , however its too densely populated.


I would consider Singapore if I ever went Galt

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Signature Change?


http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/09/news/economy/jack-lew-treasury-signature/index.html?source=yahoo_hosted

[epo]

I've been to HK and while It's a very nice place to visit. I wouldn't want to live there. I like cities , however its too densely populated.


I would consider Singapore if I ever went Galt

You haven't gone Galt yet?

Frightening...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You haven't gone Galt yet?

Frightening...

If given the opportunity like winning a huge amount of money, either go Galt or park my money in Switzerland and the Caymans.


Fuck these spendaholics in DC. Starve the beast as much as possible

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So I guess Obama needs binders full of women? He's getting criticized for lack of estrogen in his inner circle.

[Dude!]

So I guess Obama needs binders full of women? He's getting criticized for lack of estrogen in his inner circle.

obama's war on women

[epo]

So I guess Obama needs binders full of women? He's getting criticized for lack of estrogen in his inner circle.

You'd have more credibility as a lunatic if you didn't follow Red State's talking points.

[hanso]

You haven't gone Galt yet?

Frightening...

Or The sovereign citizen movement

If given the opportunity like winning a huge amount of money, either go Galt or park my money in Switzerland and the Caymans.


Fuck these spendaholics in DC. Starve the beast as much as possible

So you want agencies done away with that you claim waste taxes yet you would bend over backwards to avoid paying any

see epo quote below
You'd have more credibility as a lunatic if you didn't follow Red State's talking points.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Or The sovereign citizen movement



So you want agencies done away with that you claim waste taxes yet you would bend over backwards to avoid paying any

see epo quote below

If there were only agencies mandated in the constitution then I wouldnt have send my money offshore

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You'd have more credibility as a lunatic if you didn't follow Red State's talking points.

Where's Fluke. Maybe there can be a dept of womens affairs.

[Syd]

If there were only agencies mandated in the constitution then I wouldnt have send my money offshore

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
-tied to this:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Made bold the relevant part. The Constitution clearly states that the government has an interest in helping all the citizens and through the 9th and 14th amendments, gives the right to the people to establish programs and agencies to help citizens. I'm sorry you led a life of privilege and are unaccustomed to the massive amount of money that is spent by the federal government to maintain your lifestyle.

[A.J.]

I want my Constitutional right to government cheese.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

-tied to this:




Made bold the relevant part. The Constitution clearly states that the government has an interest in helping all the citizens and through the 9th and 14th amendments, gives the right to the people to establish programs and agencies to help citizens. I'm sorry you led a life of privilege and are unaccustomed to the massive amount of money that is spent by the federal government to maintain your lifestyle.

the general welfare clause isn't welfare for some foreigner to come here and have kids and receive SNAP, EBT and other enttlements. It was for the 18 enumarated powers in which congress can tax people for like providing a navy and post offices and post roads for example. It wasn't an open ended wish regardless of wealth

The 9 th amendment is part of the bill of rights. The Bill of rights was never intended for the states. Unfortunately with incorporation it meant for the states, so now as a result for example with the Heller case in regards to gun ownership an unintended consequence will now be sweeping gun legislation to exploit the Sandy Hook shooting


The 14th amendment was intended for children of recently freed slaves and not to expose an anchor baby loophole so millions of women can come here and use their birth canals and children as cash cows. In regards to debt, the president can not act unilaterally to raise debt. Article II reads that he is the commander in chief of the military however the president can not declare war, that is the power of congress.


The constitution was to prevent a democracy and to prevent 51% of the people to vote themselves pay raises on the backs of the 49%


Since you want to bring up amendments you forgot to mention the 10th which prevents the federal government from having unlimited powers

[Syd]

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion man.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hamid Karzai is visiting the WH. That's the least he can do come personally thank us for continuing to pour 100 billion a year to finance the poppyseed business and prop up his corrupt regime

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Too dangerous to release photos? I guess it wasn't when the line of Osama Bin Laden being dead being repeated at the DNC


http://news.yahoo.com/images-dead-bin-laden-still-dangerous-u-lawyer-165616536.html

[Jujubees2]

I want my Constitutional right to government cheese.

No you don't. I ate a lot of that carp when I was a kid. To say it was cheese was stretching things a bit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I had that glop one time and that was the last. It was a spreadable form as one of the "sides" of an MRE back when I was in the Marine Corps.

Leave it to the feds to fuck something up as easy as cheese

[spoon]

If there were only agencies mandated in the constitution then I wouldnt have send my money offshore



You sure as shit don't have one cent "off shore" right now. That much I am confident on. You talk out your ass so much it's almost worth this monumental waste of time on comedic value alone.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You sure as shit don't have one cent "off shore" right now. That much I am confident on. You talk out your ass so much it's almost worth this monumental waste of time on comedic value alone.


If given the opportunity like winning a huge amount of money, either go Galt or park my money in Switzerland and the Caymans.


Fuck these spendaholics in DC. Starve the beast as much as possible






Leave it to you who didn't see the hypothetical situation. Why am I not surprised at your lack of logic.

[spoon]

Logic? You write like a fucking fool and insinuate, no bascially make a claim with awful english but expect someone to just ignore it and go by even older more idiotic posts. Got it u fucking fool. "then i wouldn't have send my money"

[PapaBear]

I haven't followed the conversation enough to know why you brought up "parking money in Switzerland", but you do realize, you can't do that anymore (http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/01/09/swiss-banks-demise-glass-half-empty-or-half-full/)... Right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There's always the Cayman's

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Theyre scrapping the trillion dollar coin. That's a relief. Biden might have accidentally used it in the White House candy machine anyway.

[spoon]

your jokes are as bad as your talking points

oh wait, they're one in the same

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While theres no evidence of Reid's involvement. The burden of proof is on Reid to show his innocence.





http://atr.rollcall.com/harry-reid-disavows-report-linking-him-to-bribery-case/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We can all feel safer. Janet Napolitano is staying on as head of DHS.

[epo]

This nation needs a serious lesson on what the fuck the debt ceiling actually is.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This nation needs a serious lesson on what the fuck the debt ceiling actually is.

Agreed, but it also needs a lesson on the separation of powers and what each branch of gov'ts specific roles are.


Too many people have the childish mentality that the president can do whatever he wants.

[epo]

Agreed, but it also needs a lesson on the separation of powers and what each branch of gov'ts specific roles are.


Too many people have the childish mentality that the president can do whatever he wants.

Seriously, the fight is NOT over the debt ceiling. The fight is in the bills authorizing spending.

I swear the damn Tea Party is trying to turn us into Idiocracy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Seriously, the fight is NOT over the debt ceiling. The fight is in the bills authorizing spending.

I swear the damn Tea Party is trying to turn us into Idiocracy.

Many people people dont know that the D.C. is basically paying the bill for what was already spent. There's the problem right there

Its not just the tea party. How can the world's supposedly most powerful country not be able to come up with a budget? 535 people on the hill and we still have to rely on CR's?

[A.J.]

Seriously, the fight is NOT over the debt ceiling. The fight is in the bills authorizing spending.

Congress can authorize anything. The key is what they appropriate.

[epo]

Many people people dont know that the D.C. is basically paying the bill for what was already spent. There's the problem right there

Its not just the tea party. How can the world's supposedly most powerful country not be able to come up with a budget? 535 people on the hill and we still have to rely on CR's?

Stop making excuses for the Tea Party/GOP. They have purposefully muddled this argument and have already downgraded our credit rating once because of it.

It's fucking embarrassing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stop making excuses for the Tea Party/GOP. They have purposefully muddled this argument and have already downgraded our credit rating once because of it.

It's fucking embarrassing.

I'm not defending them. It was multi tiered from POTUS to Congress.

It's embarassing on how we have a defective executive and legislative branch.

[Syd]

already downgraded our credit rating once because of it..

Our borrowing rates have steadily gone down, credit ratings are just for show* or rubes**.

*See all the nonsense of why the debt ceiling won't happen, since so many massive money funds require a certain safe level of investment that only American sovereign debt can provide

**See all the banks that bought up the CDOs full of bottled shit that were doomed to default, despite being rated rather highly

[hanso]

If The potus first proposal would have been met the rate would not have gone down. Heck it could have just been agreed on in basis and then did workarounds.

Speculation plays a big role

[spoon]

While theres no evidence of Reid's involvement. The burden of proof is on Reid to show his innocence.





http://atr.rollcall.com/harry-reid-disavows-report-linking-him-to-bribery-case/

Swallow, not Reid, appears to be the target of Johnson’s allegations, since he is the one identified as the intermediary between Johnson and Rawle. Swallow denies any criminal wrongdoing. Swallow, a Republican, is the new attorney general in Utah.

do you ever make sense?

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

do you ever make sense?

:wallbash:


I'm just turning it against him when he went on the Senate floor telling gossip about Romney not paying taxes

[spoon]

Seriously, the fight is NOT over the debt ceiling. The fight is in the bills authorizing spending.

I swear the damn Tea Party is trying to turn us into Idiocracy.

trying?

I'm Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl's Jr.

Because Brawndo's got electrolytes fool!

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/idiocracy_foodpyramid_big.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yqbqGZm7IYE/UNk5cB8c8hI/AAAAAAAAWWU/EyrBEkyBvKA/s400/brawndo-rev.jpg

[spoon]

I'm just turning it against him when he went on the Senate floor telling gossip about Romney not paying taxes

Reid was stupid, so you thought you'd go to your comfort zone and do the same...figures.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What made Obama see the light? As a Senator he was against raising the debt ceiling

[hanso]

Stop making excuses for the Tea Party/GOP. They have purposefully muddled this argument and have already downgraded our credit rating once because of it.

It's fucking embarrassing.

He will never see it, remember how many times that chart was posted on the other matter?

What made Obama see the light? As a Senator he was against raising the debt ceiling

He did not however make demands / threats with his vote / proposals that would effect the country and even the world.

If you cant see this is what the tea/pubs do then you might need to clean those rose glasses

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He will never see it, remember how many times that chart was posted on the other matter?



He did not however make demands / threats with his vote / proposals that would effect the country and even the world.

If you cant see this is what the tea/pubs do then you might need to clean those rose glasses

He probably didn't know what the debt ceiling was, being a cut rate freshman senator at the time. Hell, he didnt even know where the bathroom was.


youre providing cover for this President and the Senate. Yes the tea party is at fault but so are the Dems, Specifically in the majority Democratic senate and yes POTUS

That press conference yesterday was pathetic. He looked like a hostage taker on one of those bad cop shows.

He goes on saying that we aren't a deadbeat nation, however can the gov't continue to borrow money without changing its lustful addiction to spending at alarmingly high rates?

[Syd]

Our structural deficit is 2%, so, yeah, we can keep our spending levels at normal rates. As a matter of fact, the December budget deficit was nearly eliminated.

No American president has or has needed to cut spending to address the deficit because the global economy requires America to create sovereign debt. Don't you remember when there was a massive budget surplus under Clinton that there was a legitimate fear that globalization was going to fail and America would be headed into a depression if it continued to not create debt?

[epo]

Our structural deficit is 2%, so, yeah, we can keep our spending levels at normal rates. As a matter of fact, the December budget deficit was nearly eliminated.

No American president has or has needed to cut spending to address the deficit because the global economy requires America to create sovereign debt. Don't you remember when there was a massive budget surplus under Clinton that there was a legitimate fear that globalization was going to fail and America would be headed into a depression if it continued to not create debt?

But I thought government was supposed to run like the tea party's check book?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There was never a surplus. Only DC can use trick accounting and say that there is one.


During the Clinton era, the economy was not lagging at 1-2% GDP. Greece, Spain and Other Euro countries were not in the mess like today.


It was different times back then

[epo]

There was never a surplus. Only DC can use trick accounting and say that there is one.


During the Clinton era, the economy was not lagging at 1-2% GDP. Greece, Spain and Other Euro countries were not in the mess like today.


It was different times back then

I believe he's referring to the daily debt. In Q4 we actually saw the debt curve slow and had a few days in the black. This will get better with new revenue and when we finally curb large expenditures (especially AJ in the defense budget).

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I believe he's referring to the daily debt. In Q4 we actually saw the debt curve slow and had a few days in the black. This will get better with new revenue and when we finally curb large expenditures (especially AJ in the defense budget).

Didn't the fiscal cliff deal only raise 600 billion? There's no way we can put even a small ding into the debt.

[Pitdoc]

Didn't the fiscal cliff deal only raise 600 billion? There's no way we can put even a small ding into the debt.

It raised 60 billion a year from tax increases....and continued to add 68 billion in "tax incentives" to Wall Street(9.6 billion) , NASCAR , & a shitload of other bipartisan pork

Conservative or liberal, democrat or republican ...Congress is made up of douches

[A.J.]

I believe he's referring to the daily debt. In Q4 we actually saw the debt curve slow and had a few days in the black. This will get better with new revenue and when we finally curb large expenditures (especially AJ in the defense budget).

Hey!

[brettmojo]

There was never a surplus...

http://www.personal.psu.edu/scd5029/blogs/wie_ist_das_wetter/bubble.jpg

[hanso]

We can all feel safer. Janet Napolitano is staying on as head of DHS.

Can't be so, he only has white men.

[hanso]

He probably didn't know what the debt ceiling was, being a cut rate freshman senator at the time. Hell, he didnt even know where the bathroom was.


youre providing cover for this President and the Senate. Yes the tea party is at fault but so are the Dems, Specifically in the majority Democratic senate and yes POTUS

That press conference yesterday was pathetic. He looked like a hostage taker on one of those bad cop shows.

He goes on saying that we aren't a deadbeat nation, however can the gov't continue to borrow money without changing its lustful addiction to spending at alarmingly high rates?

It was borrowed that's why it's imperative that the past bills get paid so we as a country don't come off as asshats on a global scale.

[epo]

It was borrowed that's why it's imperative that the past bills get paid so we as a country don't come off as asshats on a global scale.

I'm so sick of the debt ceiling argument. It's not enabling new spending, it's just paying our bills (such as AJ).

[epo]

Hey!

Oh...you saw that?

[hanso]

Thought the ndaa was the dod budget it already passed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can't be so, he only has white men.

Holder is black

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was borrowed that's why it's imperative that the past bills get paid so we as a country don't come off as asshats on a global scale.

We already are.


We have enough money coming in each month to service the debt and pay the interest already borrowed so we dont get Bei-jing mad , However the spending on many items in the budget is whats way out of control. The Americans are the biggest holders of debt so we are borrowing, printing and monetizing our own debt

[hanso]

Holder is black

Was he the one in that pic it was said were all white men? Also a woman was behind someone.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was he the one in that pic it was said were all white men? Also a woman was behind someone.

Was that the photo when they were all in the Oval Office? I don't recall seeing Holder in that photo. I think the woman was Valerie Jarrett, his top adviser

[Syd]

We already are.


We have enough money coming in each month to service the debt and pay the interest already borrowed so we dont get Bei-jing mad , However the spending on many items in the budget is whats way out of control. The Americans are the biggest holders of debt so we are borrowing, printing and monetizing our own debt

http://i.imgur.com/soc0u.jpg

[hanso]

Was that the photo when they were all in the Oval Office? I don't recall seeing Holder in that photo. I think the woman was Valerie Jarrett, his top adviser

Yes, there was 1 black man Stewert or Colbert pointed it out on his show last night

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://i.imgur.com/soc0u.jpg



When you owe yourself money those rates can be artificially low

[Bob Impact]

Stop making excuses for the Tea Party/GOP. They have purposefully muddled this argument and have already downgraded our credit rating once because of it.

It's fucking embarrassing.

This, holy fucking shit, this. It's sickening that anyone takes the tea party seriously at all, the fact that they're effectively holding the economy hostage is insanity.

And I'm glad we can all agree that AJ is really the problem here.

[Syd]

When you owe yourself money those rates can be artificially low

What about the pre-WW2 stuff then? Just admit the global economy doesn't give any more than possibly three fucks about the deficit and it's actually about neoliberal bullshit to privatize as much as possible to make a profit off of as much as possible.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pre WW2 like when FDR's policies extended the depression?


Our Debt to GDP was over 100% in WW2 however the country was producing tanks, planes, etc for the war effort. Today we are a 70% consumption based economy.


Different times 75 years ago

[A.J.]

And I'm glad we can all agree that AJ is really the problem here.

I hate you all.

[Syd]

Pre WW2 like when FDR's policies extended the depression?


Our Debt to GDP was over 100% in WW2 however the country was producing tanks, planes, etc for the war effort. Today we are a 70% consumption based economy.


Different times 75 years ago

So FDR's policies of government spending extended the depression, but FDR's policies of government spending ended the depression.

ps
this is about when you bring up internment camps, Pat Morita never forget

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So FDR's policies of government spending extended the depression, but FDR's policies of government spending ended the depression.

ps
this is about when you bring up internment camps, Pat Morita never forget

Digging holes one day just to fill them up the next day extended the depression.

Taxes were raised in the late 30's which also prolonged it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So FDR's policies of government spending extended the depression, but FDR's policies of government spending ended the depression.

ps
this is about when you bring up internment camps, Pat Morita never forget

Dont forget his attempt to stack SCOTUS

[hanso]

So FDR's policies of government spending extended the depression, but FDR's policies of government spending ended the depression.

ps
this is about when you bring up internment camps, Pat Morita never forget

It's always those types always leaves out Germans and Italians

[A.J.]

Obama also aimed to thaw what the White House called a "freeze" in scientific research of gun violence by the Centers for Disease Control. And he urged Congress to bankroll the CDC to do research into possible linkages between violent video games and other media images and real-life violence, to the tune of $10 million.

Yeah, I remember that Law and Order episode. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel-Eyed_Death)

[hanso]

Read something about CDC doing gun studies but NRA stopped it

[Bob Impact]

Why would the CDC be tasked with studies on guns when you have a department with Firearms in it's fucking name?

[hanso]

"CDC has been wary of studying gun issues after NRA lobbyists convinced Congress to cut into its funding after a series of studies in the mid-1990s were viewed by the NRA as advocating for gun control."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/26guns.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

[A.J.]

Why would the CDC be tasked with studies on guns when you have a department with Firearms in it's fucking name?

The NIMH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Mental_Health) seems to be the more logical choice.

[Snoogans]

"CDC has been wary of studying gun issues after NRA lobbyists convinced Congress to cut into its funding after a series of studies in the mid-1990s were viewed by the NRA as advocating for gun control."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/26guns.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

this is fuckin fantastic. just more reasons why nothing will ever get fixed. Everything is just about revenge and pissing contests. no one really cares about anyone else or whats right.

[epo]

Why would the CDC be tasked with studies on guns when you have a department with Firearms in it's fucking name?

I'm not sure how they run the CDC, but I'm guessing they have the data/risk management resources to handle this type of task.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Satanists for Scott


http://abcnews.go.com/US/satanists-plan-rally-support-florida-gov-rick-scott/story?id=18219915

[epo]

Satanists for Scott


http://abcnews.go.com/US/satanists-plan-rally-support-florida-gov-rick-scott/story?id=18219915

If we are going to talk about news from a couple of days again about Governor Scott, I'd much rather see the story about his dog Reagan.

[Bob Impact]

I'm not sure how they run the CDC, but I'm guessing they have the data/risk management resources to handle this type of task.

Sure, but I would still expect them to be spending their time working on controlling diseases. Gun ownership not being a disease and all, I would think we could find a more appropriate department that is not an expert on diseases to handle these studies that are, once again, not about diseases.

[epo]

Sure, but I would still expect them to be spending their time working on controlling diseases. Gun ownership not being a disease and all, I would think we could find a more appropriate department that is not an expert on diseases to handle these studies that are, once again, not about diseases.

I get that point. It would depend upon what responsibilities the CDC currently handles. From what I can tell, they pretty much run the risk management type data.

[hanso]

I get that point. It would depend upon what responsibilities the CDC currently handles. From what I can tell, they pretty much run the risk management type data.

Just saw something last night (stewert) that it looks like the ATF has their hands tied across the board, they played the video off their youtube it was a joke.

The same politcian that bitched about them doing more is the one that added a rider in some spending bill that limits them

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama and others kept repeating the lines that "Al Qaeda is decimated"


Well they are very much alive in which a group affiliated with them took hostages in Algeria at a Nat Gas plant

[Bob Impact]

I get that point. It would depend upon what responsibilities the CDC currently handles. From what I can tell, they pretty much run the risk management type data.

Fair enough, and you and I certainly aren't going to untangle the federal government here, and I could see this falling under a mental health department of the CDC just because it happened to pop up there years ago. I work for a massive company, I see weird competencies in weird pockets of the organization fairly often.

Difference is, we realign those things into the places that can actually support them from an institutional level. The wonders you can do when the budget isn't tied to the department but the work being done.

[Syd]

protip: CDC is a public health and safety organization and has done great studies on workplace safety, despite workplace safety not being an issue with disease.

Also they've done tons of studies on child abuse, too, but no one was clamoring to stop them from doing that.

Just because the NRA is pissed their expensive lobbying efforts to stop the CDC from researching gun violence doesn't mean all of a sudden you can have an issue with what the CDC does.

This shit ain't a cafeteria, you can't pick and choose when to give a shit. Don't wait around for PR spin machines to tell you when to care.

Obama and others kept repeating the lines that "Al Qaeda is decimated"


Well they are very much alive in which a group affiliated with them took hostages in Algeria at a Nat Gas plant

The American Indians were decimated, yet we still see some of them around. Plus, as far as I can tell, you can't genocide an ideology either.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama saying decimated meant not being a threat.


I wonder when a youtube video will be blamed or if a filmmaker will be arrested in the dark of night.

[El Mudo]

Why would the CDC be tasked with studies on guns when you have a department with Firearms in it's fucking name?

Because the ATF right now is a fucking joke. It doesn't even have a LEADER (one was just nominated). It's been defunded and disavowed pretty much out of existence.

They're prevented by federal law from having ANY computerized database of gun owners. So they have to keep everything here on microfiche, which makes it time consuming and well-nigh impossible to even track who OWNS guns or transfer of ownership. It's dependent on the honesty of gun store owners, which is not a very good way to do things.

Check out this series from the Post a few years ago (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/25/AR2010102505823.html)

Concerns about government regulation of gun ownership have limited the resources available to the ATF, led to strict regulatory restrictions and left the agency without leadership, according to interviews with dozens of former and current ATF officials and examination of thousands of pages of internal documents. The agency still has about the same number of agents it had nearly four decades ago: 2,500. The firearms bureau inspects only a fraction of the nation's 60,000 retail gun dealers, taking as much as eight years between visits to stores. By law, the ATF cannot require dealers to conduct a physical inventory to determine whether any guns have been lost or stolen.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The ATF lost credibility with Waco and with its gun running scheme to arm Mexican cartels.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just when you think POTUS cant reach a new low, He does it again.


The WH released 4 videos of those kids begging for gun control.

I wouldn't be surprised if these kids were told what to write either by their parents or teachers.

[A.J.]

Plus, as far as I can tell, you can't genocide an ideology either.

Tell that to the Egyptian, Greek and Roman gods.

[epo]

The ATF lost credibility with Waco and with its gun running scheme to arm Mexican cartels.

An organization which is not allowed to have a leadership and is purposefully refunded is designed to fail.

Thanks James Sensenbrenner.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

An organization which is not allowed to have a leadership and is purposefully refunded is designed to fail.

Thanks James Sensenbrenner.

Ever hear of recess appointments?

[epo]

Ever hear of recess appointments?

Ever hear of the rider in the 2006 Patriot Act renewal?

Fuck, I'd think even you would hate that: A renewal of the Patriot Act AND an unnecessary rider to a bill.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ever hear of the rider in the 2006 Patriot Act renewal?

Fuck, I'd think even you would hate that: A renewal of the Patriot Act AND an unnecessary rider to a bill.

Yes, the same patriot act Obama extended and him signing the NDAA


Why even need the ATF? The country was able to survive without it's creation in 1972. The ATF is just another bureaucracy to further the failed war on drugs

[A.J.]

Yes, the same patriot act Obama extended and him signing the NDAA


Why even need the ATF? The country was able to survive without it's creation in 1972. The ATF is just another bureaucracy to further the failed war on drugs

And moonshiners!

[epo]

Yes, the same patriot act Obama extended and him signing the NDAA


Why even need the ATF? The country was able to survive without it's creation in 1972. The ATF is just another bureaucracy to further the failed war on drugs

So you support Jim Sensenbrenner?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you support Jim Sensenbrenner?

Don't know too much about him as he's from Wisconsin. I do know that he has held hearings in regards to the DEA, ATF and other scandals.


What's his view on the war on drugs and other policies?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh so the Messiah image doesn't exist?




https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/19217_10152412410975084_1157998121_n.jpg

[El Mudo]

Yes, the same patriot act Obama extended and him signing the NDAA


Why even need the ATF? The country was able to survive without it's creation in 1972. The ATF is just another bureaucracy to further the failed war on drugs

Because maybe it's a good idea to know who owns guns and where they are? And a good idea to combat organized crime and regulate dangerous substances like alcohol and tobacco?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Because maybe it's a good idea to know who owns guns and where they are? And a good idea to combat organized crime and regulate dangerous substances like alcohol and tobacco?

So when do you plan to come to my house?


Wow, I never knew people became so Orwelian

Did you think that banning things lead to organized crime? States can regulate substances on their own. Refer to Washington and Colorado approving legalization of pot.

[spoon]

Oh so the Messiah image doesn't exist?




https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/19217_10152412410975084_1157998121_n.jpg

yah sure, he looks like he's posing for a new design of the dime

second term play on words to spark people like you...who cares

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yah sure, he looks like he's posing for a new design of the dime

second term play on words to spark people like you...who cares

No wonder Newsweek is going the way of online exclusively.


He's going for broke. He doesn't have to worry about reelection. This is Bill Maher's wet dream. He wants to see the angry half black man.

[A.J.]

Oh so the Messiah image doesn't exist?




https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/19217_10152412410975084_1157998121_n.jpg

http://drkronner.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/black-jesus.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Whatever happened to Blackjeezis ?

[spoon]

So when do you plan to come to my house?


Wow, I never knew people became so Orwelian

Did you think that banning things lead to organized crime? States can regulate substances on their own. Refer to Washington and Colorado approving legalization of pot.

states states states STATES!

and it's not so much an argument of what a state can handle, but if states SHOULD handle it, much less some of these things simply being illegal overall or not is an argument in itself. again, if you want to have true impact on issues like these you can't have gun laws in NY and nothing in NJ and hope to get real control. I'm not for an overall gun ban or something even close, yet having 50 different takes is just stupid on a clearly national issue. I understand a template starting point and then some tweaks as Wyoming is completely different from NJ. Yet having mental health checks, registration and certain bans is just a common sense starting point, with NO FUCKING LOOPHOLES.

also, if a state wants to legalize something completely stupid like rape or meth it's cool by you? no need for national law there, just let a state in dire need of money legalize something like child labor (breaker boy style) and deregulate everything to make it dirt cheap for business at the expense of health, lives and overall safety? it's just to make a point that this state argument is annoying every time you want nothing done bc you don't agree on it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

states states states STATES!

and it's not so much an argument of what a state can handle, but if states SHOULD handle it, much less some of these things simply being illegal overall or not is an argument in itself. again, if you want to have true impact on issues like these you can't have gun laws in NY and nothing in NJ and hope to get real control. I'm not for an overall gun ban or something even close, yet having 50 different takes is just stupid on a clearly national issue. I understand a template starting point and then some tweaks as Wyoming is completely different from NJ. Yet having mental health checks, registration and certain bans is just a common sense starting point, with NO FUCKING LOOPHOLES.

also, if a state wants to legalize something completely stupid like rape or meth it's cool by you? no need for national law there, just let a state in dire need of money legalize something like child labor (breaker boy style) and deregulate everything to make it dirt cheap for business at the expense of health, lives and overall safety? it's just to make a point that this state argument is annoying every time you want nothing done bc you don't agree on it.

Tell me which governor would say if you elect me, Crack and Heroine would be legal. Elect me and you can have a tank in your driveway.


Amazing how states can give in state tuition to people illegally or issue drivers license and state welfare and food stamp programs to someone who hopped a fence and its ok.

In regards to environmental issues. Thats why theres the SCOTUS. If NY emits smog etc into NJ and its lowering the quality of life, then NJ can sue NY.


What is it with you? Should we have uniformed laws across the country for everything? How about nationall dog leash laws because walking a dog in central park is the same as a 1000 acre ranch in Montana :wallbash::wallbash:

[spoon]

you simply don't have the capacity to follow

zero

you're all OVER the fucking place and nothing in your post warrants a response due to its incredible level of idiocy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you simply don't have the capacity to follow

zero

you're all OVER the fucking place and nothing in your post warrants a response due to its incredible level of idiocy

I follow everything.


Just admit you are in favor of a national democracy.

[spoon]

wf, still stupid

[Snoogans]

states states states STATES!

and it's not so much an argument of what a state can handle, but if states SHOULD handle it, much less some of these things simply being illegal overall or not is an argument in itself. again, if you want to have true impact on issues like these you can't have gun laws in NY and nothing in NJ and hope to get real control. I'm not for an overall gun ban or something even close, yet having 50 different takes is just stupid on a clearly national issue. I understand a template starting point and then some tweaks as Wyoming is completely different from NJ. Yet having mental health checks, registration and certain bans is just a common sense starting point, with NO FUCKING LOOPHOLES.

also, if a state wants to legalize something completely stupid like rape or meth it's cool by you? no need for national law there, just let a state in dire need of money legalize something like child labor (breaker boy style) and deregulate everything to make it dirt cheap for business at the expense of health, lives and overall safety? it's just to make a point that this state argument is annoying every time you want nothing done bc you don't agree on it.

though i get this point, and dont wanna feed the troll right now, i do have to make one counter on GUN policy only.

Certain states, though not alot, do carry certain risks that other states dont that pertain to guns. For example, I could understand why people in Alaska say, would want to have access to more powerful weapons, being alot of the weapons you can get in NJ say wouldnt be reliable weapons to use against a grizzly bear. Or if you are in Maine and want to hunt moose or something huge like that. Where we live, no, there is no need for "assault" weapons beyond people shooting them at ranges for enjoyment. But there are states with bigger threats where I could see why they would want slightly different policies

[hanso]

So when do you plan to come to my house?


Wow, I never knew people became so Orwelian

Did you think that banning things lead to organized crime? States can regulate substances on their own. Refer to Washington and Colorado approving legalization of pot.

This statement just spun a hole to China

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wonder if he hopes to go to a chocolate prison.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/18/new-orleans-mayor-ray-nagin/1845617/

[spoon]

though i get this point, and dont wanna feed the troll right now, i do have to make one counter on GUN policy only.

Certain states, though not alot, do carry certain risks that other states dont that pertain to guns. For example, I could understand why people in Alaska say, would want to have access to more powerful weapons, being alot of the weapons you can get in NJ say wouldnt be reliable weapons to use against a grizzly bear. Or if you are in Maine and want to hunt moose or something huge like that. Where we live, no, there is no need for "assault" weapons beyond people shooting them at ranges for enjoyment. But there are states with bigger threats where I could see why they would want slightly different policies

and I agree with that, much less assault rifles being legal overall, just controlled with a better system and background checks. I'm not for this clear ban, but I have no issue with the template safety and background system, no more gun show quick sales and outright flooding of the country with guns just to make money with no care who they are going to. I stated as much with my NJ to Wyoming take. Yet again, I don't even think someone in NJ should not be allowed to legally own something someone in Wyoming could, just perhaps some more safety, limits and needs rundown for both. Obviously places like Alaska can make a better case for need and numbers, while NJ there could be limits to stop outright stockpiling and stupidity. To me, if we had something in CT to monitor it better, the mother alone would have come up as amassing weapons for what!? Her job as a teacher? Talk about chicken and the egg argument.

Simply put, there is no easy answer, but something needs to be attempted and constantly adjusted for the times, weapons and events of our time. That's the problem with all this, everything is so permanent with each side when they go after policy. Things aren't meant to be so rigid and hard lined. If the policy isn't effective or you see better ways, work to make solid change to said policy. To bad it always becomes a them vs us showdown and nothing usually gets done of substance or too much. Compromise is just a fucking dirty word in today's world and it needs to stop. $ isn't always the reason for policy too, there are often more important factors involved, but don't tell that to some.

[spoon]

I wonder if he hopes to go to a chocolate prison.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/18/new-orleans-mayor-ray-nagin/1845617/

you just suck

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you just suck

If he gets convicted. He will. Literally

[A.J.]

Simply put, there is no easy answer, but something needs to be attempted and constantly adjusted for the times, weapons and events of our time. That's the problem with all this, everything is so permanent with each side when they go after policy.

This can be said of any legislation. It all tends to be knee-jerk and rushed in order to score points come Election Day.

[spoon]

boo

you just aren't funny

[A.J.]

I wonder if he hopes to go to a chocolate prison.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/18/new-orleans-mayor-ray-nagin/1845617/

He'll meet people like this.

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[spoon]

This can be said of any legislation. It all tends to be knee-jerk and rushed in order to score points come Election Day.

well I understand the tie to this being viewed as knee-jerk, but as I've said in the past, it has been an issue for fucking decades now just held up in bullshit style

so part of the blame should go to the NRA and those in line with it for not trying to compromise at a better time for a more balanced approach that is probably closer to the answer. eventually the other side will be in power and push will come to shove when things throw fuel on the fire like this. a fire that has been burning for years as I already stated. to me, both sides should have been working through this issue much better over the years versus one stopping everything and anything from happening and the other wanting outright bans at times.

[Snoogans]

and I agree with that, much less assault rifles being legal overall, just controlled with a better system and background checks. I'm not for this clear ban, but I have no issue with the template safety and background system, no more gun show quick sales and outright flooding of the country with guns just to make money with no care who they are going to. I stated as much with my NJ to Wyoming take. Yet again, I don't even think someone in NJ should not be allowed to legally own something someone in Wyoming could, just perhaps some more safety, limits and needs rundown for both. Obviously places like Alaska can make a better case for need and numbers, while NJ there could be limits to stop outright stockpiling and stupidity. To me, if we had something in CT to monitor it better, the mother alone would have come up as amassing weapons for what!? Her job as a teacher? Talk about chicken and the egg argument.

Simply put, there is no easy answer, but something needs to be attempted and constantly adjusted for the times, weapons and events of our time. That's the problem with all this, everything is so permanent with each side when they go after policy. Things aren't meant to be so rigid and hard lined. If the policy isn't effective or you see better ways, work to make solid change to said policy. To bad it always becomes a them vs us showdown and nothing usually gets done of substance or too much. Compromise is just a fucking dirty word in today's world and it needs to stop. $ isn't always the reason for policy too, there are often more important factors involved, but don't tell that to some.

just FYI, "assault" weapons have been banned in NJ since 1994. when the federal ban lifted, state laws still kept it in place. even compared to NY, NJ is VERY strict when it comes to guns. You cant even buy a BB gun in NJ without getting the same license you would need to buy a shotgun, unless its an airsoft BB gun that isnt high powered.

My overall position is, people want things for reasons other than need. People want guns like that cause they look badass, are fun to shoot, enjoy using them in video games, etc. Most people are not gonna ever do anything bad with it, so they should be allowed to get them. But we really needed to address how we check up on people before they buy those. It should be more strict than certain kinds of other guns. And there shouldnt be BS loopholes, etc.

I would make it similar to handguns. Where you have to go get a separate permit, with serial number, and separate checks for each individual gun you buy. But MOST IMPORTANT, we should put in regulations where the semi auto civilian guns can NOT be the same mechanisms as the autos, allowing someone with 150 bucks and even avg knowledge of guns to make a semi into a fully automatic. Im sure we can figure out a way to stop that. Thats the real issue about assault rifles. Its very easy to make them automatic weapons

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This can be said of any legislation. It all tends to be knee-jerk and rushed in order to score points come Election Day.

Exactly. Look what happened in NY.


The bill was rushed thru so quickly that it included 7 round limits for law enforcement.

[Snoogans]

Simply put, there is no easy answer, but something needs to be attempted and constantly adjusted for the times, weapons and events of our time. That's the problem with all this, everything is so permanent with each side when they go after policy. Things aren't meant to be so rigid and hard lined. If the policy isn't effective or you see better ways, work to make solid change to said policy. To bad it always becomes a them vs us showdown and nothing usually gets done of substance or too much. Compromise is just a fucking dirty word in today's world and it needs to stop. $ isn't always the reason for policy too, there are often more important factors involved, but don't tell that to some.

this is what scares people. They made weed illegal a long time ago, and really pursued that since the 70's. People, including a large amount of government, have seen that it doesnt work. They have seen good people have their lives ruined cause they got locked up for smoking weed one night. We know its no worse, and probably safer for people than cigs and alcohol. But no one will do anything. Its been 40 fuckin years.

It would be great if we would try stuff and see how it works, and stop it if it doesnt work. But when we do that, and it doesnt work, we just keep trying it, and never really tweak it much either. Its so fuckin stupid. Thats why people are fighting so hard right now against this gun shit. Not because they think its bad or cant see why you would do it (not all of them anyway), but because they think that its never gonna go away then. Even if we find out we can let responsible people own them, it will be too late. Thats the root of all the issues with fixing ANYTHING in this country.

[Snoogans]

Exactly. Look what happened in NY.


The bill was rushed thru so quickly that it included 7 round limits for law enforcement.

is this really a bad thing? What do cops need 17 bullets for? There is usually a number of cops around during times they are shooting, and any time they are facing someone with serious fire power, they come in with swat and machine guns and shit anyway.

Remember the empire state building shooting thing. The guy came and shot his boss outside the building, and 8 other people were shot because the cops emptied 60 shots at this guy and hit a ton of bystanders. Do we really NEED cops having 17 shots? Fuck, just give them 45s instead of 9mm and 7 shots will have just as much stopping power as 17 9mms if you can hit what you are shooting at.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

is this really a bad thing? What do cops need 17 bullets for? There is usually a number of cops around during times they are shooting, and any time they are facing someone with serious fire power, they come in with swat and machine guns and shit anyway.

Remember the empire state building shooting thing. The guy came and shot his boss outside the building, and 8 other people were shot because the cops emptied 60 shots at this guy and hit a ton of bystanders. Do we really NEED cops having 17 shots? Fuck, just give them 45s instead of 9mm and 7 shots will have just as much stopping power as 17 9mms if you can hit what you are shooting at.

If Police require better training as a result of the Emp State shooting on tactics/rules of engagement/firing , then I have no issue with that.

What if there is an event with more than 1 shooter? The police could be outarmed

[hanso]

states states states STATES!

and it's not so much an argument of what a state can handle, but if states SHOULD handle it, much less some of these things simply being illegal overall or not is an argument in itself. again, if you want to have true impact on issues like these you can't have gun laws in NY and nothing in NJ and hope to get real control. I'm not for an overall gun ban or something even close, yet having 50 different takes is just stupid on a clearly national issue. I understand a template starting point and then some tweaks as Wyoming is completely different from NJ. Yet having mental health checks, registration and certain bans is just a common sense starting point, with NO FUCKING LOOPHOLES.

also, if a state wants to legalize something completely stupid like rape or meth it's cool by you? no need for national law there, just let a state in dire need of money legalize something like child labor (breaker boy style) and deregulate everything to make it dirt cheap for business at the expense of health, lives and overall safety? it's just to make a point that this state argument is annoying every time you want nothing done bc you don't agree on it.

Here is where they have it both ways also. Could it be why there are some 20,000-plus laws on the books right now in which they rail over from being a states matter?

[Snoogans]

If Police require better training as a result of the Emp State shooting on tactics/rules of engagement/firing , then I have no issue with that.

What if there is an event with more than 1 shooter? The police could be outarmed

are you kidding? if there was an incident with say 4 shooters, there would be 9000 police there. Any major incident where someone is coming with that kind of thunder, a hostage situation say, or like those guys in LA in the body armor and machine guns, you would have swat who comes in with machine guns and large capacity magazines. Its not just 2 patrol firing away with there sidearm. Even most cop cars have a shotgun in the trunk incase they need more fire power.

99% of the time a police officer is going to be firing his sidearm, 7 shots will be more than enough to get the job done if he isnt a moron. You think a call comes in to the police about a shooting and they send 1 fuckin cop?

[A.J.]

are you kidding? if there was an incident with say 4 shooters, there would be 9000 police there. Any major incident where someone is coming with that kind of thunder, a hostage situation say, or like those guys in LA in the body armor and machine guns, you would have swat who comes in with machine guns and large capacity magazines. Its not just 2 patrol firing away with there sidearm. Even most cop cars have a shotgun in the trunk incase they need more fire power.

99% of the time a police officer is going to be firing his sidearm, 7 shots will be more than enough to get the job done if he isnt a moron. You think a call comes in to the police about a shooting and they send 1 fuckin cop?

It happens sometimes.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly6gf69iF41qzyfuw.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

are you kidding? if there was an incident with say 4 shooters, there would be 9000 police there. Any major incident where someone is coming with that kind of thunder, a hostage situation say, or like those guys in LA in the body armor and machine guns, you would have swat who comes in with machine guns and large capacity magazines. Its not just 2 patrol firing away with there sidearm. Even most cop cars have a shotgun in the trunk incase they need more fire power.

99% of the time a police officer is going to be firing his sidearm, 7 shots will be more than enough to get the job done if he isnt a moron. You think a call comes in to the police about a shooting and they send 1 fuckin cop?

Thats the problem that I have with overpolicing. Theres no need to cordon offf a 30 block radius if there is a robbery at 1 bank.

If 80% of the force is at one location, that leaves criminals almost carte blanche to commit crimes in other locations because most of the resources are at location A.

[Snoogans]

It happens sometimes.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly6gf69iF41qzyfuw.jpg

and he took out your bitch partner with just a revolver and one shot. Once again proving my point. If Carl Winslow can protect himself from a machine gun with just a revolver, DV dont need a semi rifle to defend himself against hood rats

[Snoogans]

Thats the problem that I have with overpolicing. Theres no need to cordon offf a 30 block radius if there is a robbery at 1 bank.

If 80% of the force is at one location, that leaves criminals almost carte blanche to commit crimes in other locations because most of the resources are at location A.

and you believe a cops handgun carrying 10 extra bullets changes that? I agree but that doesnt address what I actually asked you

[hanso]

For some reason this reminds me of freaknik Miami around 3 years back. Someone was drunk driving around the aera with major police presence clipping cars. The car went to a red light where the cops where gathered and they shot execution style.

This video might still be around somewhere WSHH!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and you believe a cops handgun carrying 10 extra bullets changes that? I agree but that doesnt address what I actually asked you

I agree that more rounds doesn't always mean taking the shooter down, but why limit it to 7 rounds?


Were police departments asked when the bill was written that 7 is a limit? Why not 8?


Im not trying to be a wiseass on the amount of rounds but the bill was rushed as a knee jerk reaction without putting much emphasis on it.

[Snoogans]

now i know why assault weapons should be legal:

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/AK47-Bong.jpg


yes thats a bong

[WRESTLINGFAN]

now i know why assault weapons should be legal:

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/AK47-Bong.jpg


yes thats a bong

Now thats really getting smoked.

[spoon]

It happens sometimes.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly6gf69iF41qzyfuw.jpg

you'd know plenty about that huh hans?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRVJ7cmIv3jFQme8oHgRGk4p4CLVRIx avxLCHU4LOkxQpCrPes

[spoon]

Thats the problem that I have with overpolicing. Theres no need to cordon offf a 30 block radius if there is a robbery at 1 bank.

If 80% of the force is at one location, that leaves criminals almost carte blanche to commit crimes in other locations because most of the resources are at location A.

:lol:

criminals at the ready!

[spoon]

I agree that more rounds doesn't always mean taking the shooter down, but why limit it to 7 rounds?


Were police departments asked when the bill was written that 7 is a limit? Why not 8?


Im not trying to be a wiseass on the amount of rounds but the bill was rushed as a knee jerk reaction without putting much emphasis on it.

again, knee jerk?!

ha!

the limiting rounds of the cops to seven is just a stupid tie in to a policy long debated overall...not knee jerk, just top of mind and in the news for over a month now even with the latest tragedy. so a topic always in debate and quashed/put off via NRA pressure/influence is now on the front page versus the middle/back and it's knee-jerk...sure thing. It's about as knee-jerk as gay marriage and abortion.

[A.J.]

It happens sometimes.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly6gf69iF41qzyfuw.jpg

and he took out your bitch partner with just a revolver and one shot. Once again proving my point. If Carl Winslow can protect himself from a machine gun with just a revolver, DV dont need a semi rifle to defend himself against hood rats

you'd know plenty about that huh hans?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRVJ7cmIv3jFQme8oHgRGk4p4CLVRIx avxLCHU4LOkxQpCrPes

Yippee-ki-yay, motherfuckers!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again, knee jerk?!

ha!

the limiting rounds of the cops to seven is just a stupid tie in to a policy long debated overall...not knee jerk, just top of mind and in the news for over a month now even with the latest tragedy. so a topic always in debate and quashed/put off via NRA pressure/influence is now on the front page versus the middle/back and it's knee-jerk...sure thing. It's about as knee-jerk as gay marriage and abortion.

Yes because Sfaccim Junior wanted to be the very 1st governor to sign a post Newtown gun control law.


The bill was rushed thru both houses of the NY legislature. No time for debate or amendments. It was a feel good law.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

:lol:

criminals at the ready!

Psst. Criminals don't punch a clock

[spoon]

noooooooo!?


:flush:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This fucker is going to be on permanent campaign mode. Its being a community organizer on steroids.




http://news.yahoo.com/obama-campaign-2-0-organizing-action-154849938--abc-news-politics.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Someone has a change of heart


http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-phone-lady-obama-mislead-us

[Dude!]

Someone has a change of heart


http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-phone-lady-obama-mislead-us

nice to see that
one of those people
got a job

[spoon]

and another person has not had a change of heart

no surprise there

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and another person has not had a change of heart

no surprise there

If Obama would do a 180 and start governing within the limits of article II and ditch the Keynesian economics


Maybe I might.

[brettmojo]

Someone has a change of heart


http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-phone-lady-obama-mislead-us

Someone needs a new phone, eh?

[spoon]

did you read the article too bmoj?

it's amazing that this lady and her husband just expected something to be handed to them and have their life changed

i find zero fault for Obama in you have a stagnant life you have done WHAT to change? I hear shit like this all the time with politicians on both sides of the isle. It's like they expect a policy change or direction of the country alone to put money and prosperity into their lives. sorry, you still have to go get it and make it happen. I just feel the odds are better in your favor with one group over the other at this point usually. less of a stacked deck against you, but both parties do suck overall. it's called voting the lesser of evils unfortunately until we change this shitty fucking system and being led by archaic documents as if written by God and not meant to be adjusted with time.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

did you read the article too bmoj?

it's amazing that this lady and her husband just expected something to be handed to them and have their life changed

i find zero fault for Obama in you have a stagnant life you have done WHAT to change? I hear shit like this all the time with politicians on both sides of the isle. It's like they expect a policy change or direction of the country alone to put money and prosperity into their lives. sorry, you still have to go get it and make it happen. I just feel the odds are better in your favor with one group over the other at this point usually. less of a stacked deck against you, but both parties do suck overall. it's called voting the lesser of evils unfortunately until we change this shitty fucking system and being led by archaic documents as if written by God and not meant to be adjusted with time.

Its always the document never the fact that its not applied. Of course you would say something like that. Memo. We didnt get to 16 trillion overnight. 100 years of income taxes, the federal reserve, undeclared wars after WW2, the birth of the welfare state, military industrial complex and police state are factors.


You remind me of pseudo intellectual Bill Maher. Last night he had Bob Kerrey and Maher was droning on how SD has the same amount of Senators as CA without bringing up the purpose of the senate. He did not say CA has a hell of a lot more reps in the house

Of course it's not Obamas fault in regards to the Obamaphone lady doing a 180. She's seeing the amt of taxes being taken out and maybe she finally woke up to the political bullshit he spews

[spoon]

Probably bc he was talking about the senate and his view on that versus the house. Again, your circular logic defies just that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Probably bc he was talking about the senate and his view on that versus the house. Again, your circular logic defies just that.

Did you forget to read where I posted the purpose of the Senate?

[spoon]

For the 50th time, nope. How do u not see not everyone sees it the same way, much less it's his point he doesn't like the setup? You can't just hide behind your take on something when that very thing is being challeneged and or being put out there as needed to be changed.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For the 50th time, nope. How do u not see not everyone sees it the same way, much less it's his point he doesn't like the setup? You can't just hide behind your take on something when that very thing is being challeneged and or being put out there as needed to be changed.

Thats how the setup is. One house reps the people the other the states. Each has it's different functions. It can not be any clearer.

I'm not hiding behind anything.

When you have too many uninformed voters and people just picking either coke or pepsi you get the politicians you deserve.


It won't be any different Monday. An estimated 600-800K will be gathered at the National mall to hear more empty rhetoric and still believing the bullshit this president is spreading.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its official. He is President for 4 more years

Tomorrow is just for show.

[hanso]

Swore in on a Koran right WF?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

50 shades of Grey since he locked up the suburban mommy porn vote

[spoon]

Swore in on a Koran right WF?

that's it, debate on air HIGH NOON!

:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you need to take a couple of hits to calm yourself then by all means do

[spoon]

make it prime time on the cliffs of Weehawken

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cliffs off the PiP. Even better

[spoon]

bring all your guns that blow HUGE holes in people psycho

I'll be there, don't mind the flashing lights

[WRESTLINGFAN]

bring all your guns that blow HUGE holes in people psycho

I'll be there, don't mind the flashing lights

A. I will use weapons for defensive purposes.

B. NJ probably has draconian gun laws, Im sure carrying a rifle or shotgun is illegal.

C. The only time you see flashing lights on the PiP is if someone goes faster than the speed limit.

[spoon]

D. You're an idiot...and a d.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stay classy Barack. Staring at Beyonces ass is more important.


http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-will-snub-inaugural-ball-honoring-medal-of-honor-recipients-again?cid=db_articles



"It will be the second time the Obamas saw fit to skip the event, as they did not attend in 2009 either, when Obama became the first president to miss the Heroes Ball since the event began in 1953."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/14937_497670963604720_354259245_n.jpg

[A.J.]

Stay classy Barack. Staring at Beyonces ass is more important.


http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-will-snub-inaugural-ball-honoring-medal-of-honor-recipients-again?cid=db_articles



"It will be the second time the Obamas saw fit to skip the event, as they did not attend in 2009 either, when Obama became the first president to miss the Heroes Ball since the event began in 1953."

Not cool. Especially during wartime.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can't wait to hear about reaching out, being a uniter then tomorrow its back to blame everyone else and taking no accountability.


Hundreds of thousands will be hearing empty rhetoric, actually believing that the man of the hour has empathy for them.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nice job by the police for removing the homeless from the perimeter of the Capitol and WH


Notice there won't be any reports of soup kitchens and shelters. That only happens under a GOP administration


Where's the coverage of code pink and ANSWER?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rapper tossed from pre inaugural party

http://www.freep.com/article/20130121/ENT04/130121032/Lupe-Fiasco-disses-Obama-escorted-off-inaugural-party-stage?odyssey=nav%7Chead

[epo]

If Obama would do a 180 and start governing within the limits of article II and ditch the Keynesian economics


Maybe I might.

So if the president becomes a Ron Paul Republican, you might like him.

Don't hold your breath.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So if the president becomes a Ron Paul Republican, you might like him.

Don't hold your breath.

Content of Character

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm surprised women aren't throwing their bras at the motorcade

Why all the screaming like its Shea Stadium 1965 when the Beatles had their concert?

[spoon]

back to that angle huh?

cute how jealous you get



and chin up lil guy, you got plenty of women in Duce Biaglow

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jealous of what? Half a million people freezing their cajones off?

[epo]

Why would the CDC be tasked with studies on guns when you have a department with Firearms in it's fucking name?

Update: according to the CDC's website the "national Violent Death Reporting System" is located under the oversight of the CDC. It appears to be their data collection system. That data collection appears to work in conjunction with the "National Center for Injury Prevention & Control", which appears to be their best practice arm.

It might be goofy under the CDC, but as long as its not duplicated & is productive it doesn't bother me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why does the president (and pundits both left and right) keep saying Democracy


We are not a democracy

[Bob Impact]

Update: according to the CDC's website the "national Violent Death Reporting System" is located under the oversight of the CDC. It appears to be their data collection system. That data collection appears to work in conjunction with the "National Center for Injury Prevention & Control", which appears to be their best practice arm.

It might be goofy under the CDC, but as long as its not duplicated & is productive it doesn't bother me.

Thanks for the context. Agreed, i'm good with this. Somebody inform Obama I said it's OK to continue.

[keithy_19]

50 shades of Grey since he locked up the suburban mommy porn vote

Hot.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I must say , if Romney was elected the parties wouldn't have been that fun. Don't think many would attend a ball with no booze and performances by the Osmonds

[spoon]

Your jokes suck and simply don't work for our democracy.

[Snoogans]

Your jokes suck and simply don't work for our democracy.

i dont think it was a joke. we arent technically a democracy. We are a democratic Republic. If we were a democracy, the people would vote for everything and popular vote would win

nevemind about the joke thing, that was apparently referring to a different post.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your jokes suck and simply don't work for our democracy.

Wanna know what a democracy is?


2 wolves and a lamb deciding on what to have for lunch.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We have a republican (small r) form of government. Its in article 4 section 4 of the constitution. While we participate in a democratic (small d) process we are not a democracy

[Kevin]

50 shades of Grey since he locked up the suburban mommy porn vote

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18c7tnegnnrskgif/cmt-medium.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was that when Boehner said he's going to block her husbands agenda so much, he will start smoking again

[Kevin]

Was that when Boehner said he's going to block her husbands agenda so much, he will start smoking again

I think he asked her where does she go to tan.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

She's probably pissed because she's sitting next to an orange man who wreaks of Scotch and marlboros

[hanso]

I must say , if Romney was elected the parties wouldn't have been that fun. Don't think many would attend a ball with no booze and performances by the Osmonds

If it were up to you the Amish would provide the entertainment.

[spoon]

i dont think it was a joke. we arent technically a democracy. We are a democratic Republic. If we were a democracy, the people would vote for everything and popular vote would win

nevemind about the joke thing, that was apparently referring to a different post.

was going to comment here until you saw my joke was to get WF to say his tag line about democracy...and his jokes do suck

[spoon]

We have a republican (small r) form of government. Its in article 4 section 4 of the constitution. While we participate in a democratic (small d) process we are not a democracy

:wallbash:

tell me more wf

[spoon]

If it were up to you the Amish would provide the entertainment.

a well armed democratic mafia that represents their state (small d, right WF? you know what that's like schneider)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If it were up to you the Amish would provide the entertainment.



That's impossible

Don't they go to bed at sundown?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

a well armed democratic mafia that represents their state (small d, right WF? you know what that's like schneider)



What would be your festivities ? A George Bell impersonator and the Blue Jays mascot?

[A.J.]

I must say , if Romney was elected the parties wouldn't have been that fun. Don't think many would attend a ball with no booze and performances by the Osmonds

Dubya didn't drink either. But he still got country performers.

Oh right. I see your point.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18c7tnegnnrskgif/cmt-medium.gif

Boehner "Hey Michelle. Slow down. All that food will make its way to your hips and ass"
" I guess America doesn't suck huh Michelle"
" You want an 850 Calorie limit for school lunches while you shovel food in your
face?" "Those North Koreans eat more than school kids do"


After the "Oh no u didn't" Barack is caught picking his nose.

[hanso]

That's impossible

Don't they go to bed at sundown?

He needed the tax payer money! Oooohh!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Instead of Sharting. Al Roker sounded like he was going to come on his pants

[hanso]

Dubya didn't drink either. But he still got country performers.

Oh right. I see your point.

Beg to differ there were pics of him all over drinking beers see the Olympics pics were he looked drunk.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was yesterday's speech a state of the union address?

[El Mudo]

So when do you plan to come to my house?


Wow, I never knew people became so Orwelian

Did you think that banning things lead to organized crime? States can regulate substances on their own. Refer to Washington and Colorado approving legalization of pot.


Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms all involve interstate commerce in some fashion, brah.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms all involve interstate commerce in some fashion, brah.

The Interstate commerce clause was designed so that trade wars would not happen btwn states IE Tariffs etc.

Now if booze and cigarettes, guns ammo etc. were coming from outside the country then there could be some sort of federal agency to oversee that.

[spoon]

What would be your festivities ? A George Bell impersonator and the Blue Jays mascot?

good one

you mention George Bell a lot late 80s WF

did you jack to him in your MARINE barracks while cleaning your "weapoon"

I mean wtf? time to branch out a little you unoriginal fuck.

[spoon]

Boehner "Hey Michelle. Slow down. All that food will make its way to your hips and ass"
" I guess America doesn't suck huh Michelle"
" You want an 850 Calorie limit for school lunches while you shovel food in your
face?" "Those North Koreans eat more than school kids do"


After the "Oh no u didn't" Barack is caught picking his nose.

so awful

you wasted your fucking time even trying

[spoon]

Was yesterday's speech a state of the union address?

cute, haven't heard that one yet ON EVERY CONSERVATIVE OUTLET out there

you are consistent

[WRESTLINGFAN]

cute, haven't heard that one yet ON EVERY CONSERVATIVE OUTLET out there

you are consistent

I saw the speech and used my own analysis. Go back to the sailors.

[spoon]

still a parrot, still terrible

:thumbdown:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

good one

you mention George Bell a lot late 80s WF

did you jack to him in your MARINE barracks while cleaning your "weapoon"

I mean wtf? time to branch out a little you unoriginal fuck.

Sorry, Maybe you're a Dave Steib man.

[spoon]

sure thing luis polonia

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not a huge deal


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/outrage-beyonce-star-spangled-banner-lip-synch-article-1.1245448


Looks like Schumer likes the caramel. He's staring at her ass with that shit eating grin of his.

[A.J.]

The more frightening sight is Boehner's wife. They have matching tans.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack knew better not to stare at Beyonce. FLOTUS looks like a jealous woman

[ozzie]

Not a huge deal


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/outrage-beyonce-star-spangled-banner-lip-synch-article-1.1245448


Looks like Schumer likes the caramel. He's staring at her ass with that shit eating grin of his.

Is this really "news" anymore?

My sis-in-law tried to sing the anthem at a small, minor-league stadium, and the speaker feedback drove her nuts. She ended up plugging an ear and fighting her way through it, but it was pretty bad. She had no idea what she was getting into.

No one is going to let that happen to Beyonce.

It's pretty safe to assume that most are lip synching nowadays. But it's not like she was lip synching to someone else's vocals.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No one said to boycott her music. This isn't an impeachable offense and not the biggest story in the country


However Clarkson and Taylor didn't lip sync.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Phil Mickelson had to backtrack his comments about making changes due to increased taxes.


Here's the reason why



http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/golf/www/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/gallery_images/ScottHalleran_Getty_KPMG_0.jpg

[epo]

Phil Mickelson had to backtrack his comments about making changes due to increased taxes.


Here's the reason why



http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/golf/www/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/gallery_images/ScottHalleran_Getty_KPMG_0.jpg

Mickelson has really fucked up his image, that's why he backtracked. A majority of his cash comes from endorsements, so he needed to stop the damage he did to his own brand.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dont wanna piss off one of his biggest sponsors. KPMG. Theyre in the tax business


Moral of the Story, If youre going to go Galt. Dont advertise it.

[epo]

Not a huge deal


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/outrage-beyonce-star-spangled-banner-lip-synch-article-1.1245448


Looks like Schumer likes the caramel. He's staring at her ass with that shit eating grin of his.

"Schumer likes the caramel"?

What the hell is wrong with you?

[Snoogans]

Mickelson has really fucked up his image, that's why he backtracked. A majority of his cash comes from endorsements, so he needed to stop the damage he did to his own brand.

not to mention a good bit of his income is taxed at the much lower capital gains rate, and he has so many write offs, id be shocked if he is even paying 45% total in taxes

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It sounds like he wasn't happy about the state income tax rate . CA voters chose to raise it to 13%

Tiger Woods said one of the reasons why he's in FL is that there's no state income tax.


Jeter had a huge tax bill for NY a few years back and his residence is in FL now.

[Snoogans]

It sounds like he wasn't happy about the state income tax rate . CA voters chose to raise it to 13%

Tiger Woods said one of the reasons why he's in FL is that there's no state income tax.


Jeter had a huge tax bill for NY a few years back and his residence is in FL now.

yea thats not what it was about why he got shit on. First off, he made the retarded comment that he is now going to be payin like 64% in total taxes, which isnt even close. The other problem is he made 48 mill last year and is whining to a bunch of broke americans about his tax burden

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fair Tax !!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"Schumer likes the caramel"?

What the hell is wrong with you?

Since you live in a mostly white state you might not understand.

[Dude!]

Since you live in a mostly white state you might not understand.

yeah, Wisc is like the
Vermont of the Midwest...

you can afford to be liberal,
when you never encounter
a black person who isn't
a Milwaukee Brewer or Buck

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kerry has a critic.


http://news.yahoo.com/even-code-pink-cant-ruin-john-kerrys-confirmation-163322515.html

[spoon]

"Schumer likes the caramel"?

What the hell is wrong with you?

he's a fucking idiot

not sure if it's possible to convey it more clearly

[spoon]

It sounds like he wasn't happy about the state income tax rate . CA voters chose to raise it to 13%

Tiger Woods said one of the reasons why he's in FL is that there's no state income tax.


Jeter had a huge tax bill for NY a few years back and his residence is in FL now.

he has a lake house in NJ at least too

but hey, say whatever you want...as I'm sure you stalk him bc you think he looks like an illegal

[spoon]

Since you live in a mostly white state you might not understand.

racism?

he clearly understands and sees it in you

meth and lunch meat doesn't make you blind fuckwad

[spoon]

yeah, Wisc is like the
Vermont of the Midwest...

you can afford to be liberal,
when you never encounter
a black person who isn't
a Milwaukee Brewer or Buck

and there we have a racist ONE UP!

oof

what a fucking asshole

[WRESTLINGFAN]

racism?

he clearly understands and sees it in you

meth and lunch meat doesn't make you blind fuckwad


Caramel=Racism? Nice Going Piss Matthews

Don't tell me what you had to eat yesterday

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Flies are attracted to bullshit.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/obama-fly-photo_n_2545218.html?1359062063

[epo]

yea thats not what it was about why he got shit on. First off, he made the retarded comment that he is now going to be payin like 64% in total taxes, which isnt even close. The other problem is he made 48 mill last year and is whining to a bunch of broke americans about his tax burden

After years of being the doofus on the tour, the guy really took off in popularity after Tiger's personal life train wrecked. It's hilarious to see him fuck himself over like that through sheer ignorance.

[KnoxHarrington]

After years of being the doofus on the tour, the guy really took off in popularity after Tiger's personal life train wrecked. It's hilarious to see him fuck himself over like that through sheer ignorance.


I remember when he won the Masters a couple of years ago after all the Tiger Woods shit had hit the fan. It was kind of nauseating how the announcers were talking about what a great guy he is, making pretty pointed comparisons between him and Tiger Woods. Which was kind of amusing, because Mickelson always had a reputation of being a real douche -- I mean, that's how he got his nickname, "FIGJAM". (Look it up)

[epo]

I remember when he won the Masters a couple of years ago after all the Tiger Woods shit had hit the fan. It was kind of nauseating how the announcers were talking about what a great guy he is, making pretty pointed comparisons between him and Tiger Woods. Which was kind of amusing, because Mickelson always had a reputation of being a real douche -- I mean, that's how he got his nickname, "FIGJAM". (Look it up)

What's always made me laugh is how he became the "likeable guy". After years of Woods kicking his ass repeatedly, he embraced second place & developed a "family man" image (anti-Tiger) just to cash in. The irony is that the PR/image campaign worked for awhile, but the inherent nature of a human eventually rises to the top.

He is what he always has been: a bitter, jealous also-ran to Tiger. I'm glad that he could remind us of that fact.

[epo]

Fair Tax !!!!!

Is a fucking stupid idea.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The progressive income tax is one of the worst ideas ever. It has created more cheats loopholes over the last 100 years. The other institution celebrating a 100th birthday is the Federal Reserve.


Some coincidence

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Since the Military will be opening up combat roles for women including some elite forces, Will there be requirements for women to sign up for selective service?


If we are equal, women should be subject to the draft.

[Snoogans]

Since the Military will be opening up combat roles for women including some elite forces, Will there be requirements for women to sign up for selective service?


If we are equal, women should be subject to the draft.

what draft? All selective service does is line you up for jury duty

[epo]

The progressive income tax is one of the worst ideas ever. It has created more cheats loopholes over the last 100 years. The other institution celebrating a 100th birthday is the Federal Reserve.


Some coincidence

I agree that the loopholes are a joke. Eliminate them.

However the "fair tax" is a regressive tax in reality as it actually raises taxes on those with the least among us. We are better than that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree that the loopholes are a joke. Eliminate them.

However the "fair tax" is a regressive tax in reality as it actually raises taxes on those with the least among us. We are better than that.

Basic necessities like food, fuel etc wouldn't be taxed. It wouldn't be a burden on the poor

[A.J.]

Since the Military will be opening up combat roles for women including some elite forces, Will there be requirements for women to sign up for selective service?


If we are equal, women should be subject to the draft.

You are now ALL eligible for military service.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/Glensgages/movies/DeanWormerFaberCollegeAnimalHouse.jpg

[epo]

what draft? All selective service does is line you up for jury duty

Technically Selective Service does register you for the draft.

However the draft hasn't been used since Vietnam. I'm sure when WF's imaginary war with Mexico starts we'll use it again.

[A.J.]

Basic necessities like food, fuel etc wouldn't be taxed. It wouldn't be a burden on the poor

Doubtful since the states need that revenue. However, I know Virginia is talking about lowering the gas tax while raising the sales tax.

[A.J.]

I'm sure when WF's imaginary war with Mexico starts we'll use it again.

They've already invaded the Southwest.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

States would get revenue from booze and tobacco.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Technically Selective Service does register you for the draft.

However the draft hasn't been used since Vietnam. I'm sure when WF's imaginary war with Mexico starts we'll use it again.

Since this country doesn't like to declare war anymore, there probably wont be a draft.