2012 POTUS and Congress General election off-season thread

[spoon]

Yah speaking of, here's a point i posted 49 fucking times already but it's KILLING ME so I must say it again!

[spoon]

Sorry, companies forcing part time work is on them, not this plan. It's an easy fix, but u know everything and anything will be blocked. So they loopholed the ACA, not some huge issue with the meat of the plan, just the way around it which is fucking pathetic.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Didn't these wise politicians know of the unintended and intended consequences of this shit law?

Probably not. They didn't read that thousand page cancer

[spoon]

Unintended always happens bc corps and big business is always trying to f over the worker for more profits and stock valuation in all metrics. Sorry, no matter how hard and long you go it happens, in theory our CONGRESS and gov should adjust said issue and stop this swing from happening, yet they want no part of this bc the tea party has a death grip on the gop neck now, and in turn any real legislation, change and hence this country's neck as well.

[spoon]

Didn't these wise politicians know of the unintended and intended consequences of this shit law?

Probably not. They didn't read that thousand page cancer

Unintended and INTENDED consequences of this shit law...i should have just stopped there. You have zero objectivity...ever.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obamacare is a result of crony capitalism. This happens to be Insurance corps/big business in bed with the Feds
The employer mandate is delayed but not the individual mandate.

The GOP doesn't get off so easy as they have not put forth a better plan.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Unintended and INTENDED consequences of this shit law...i should have just stopped there. You have zero objectivity...ever.



Your government has zero credibility. Obamacare won't reform anything. It's a giant Christmas gift to his handlers in big business

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Team Barack paraded Kerry out to the world and as usual another thud.

[spoon]

the biggest surprise is you take issue with anything Obama has done

i'm shocked!

tell me more

[A.J.]

n/m

[spoon]

m/n

boooo

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That speech was empty rhetoric and could not convince me that we should get involved in another country's civil war.


Syria is not a threat to us. There's no reason why we should get involved. Those freedom fighters Graham and McCain have hardons for are members of Al Qaeda and other Jihadist groups.


How does intervening in another country's issues 7000 miles away benefit us?

[spoon]

yah, no reason to help others in a civil war...especially with our history and with what is going down in Syria

but hey, no reasons at all...and I'm not even onboard with intervening at all

still, let's not be so blind to the plethora of reasons pro and con out there...humanity being one big one

[A.J.]

Part of the problem is that 100,000 have been killed there already. Why the rush to get involved NOW?

Why Syria and why not Libya? The problem I have is with inconsistency in this Administration's foreign policy, a lack of formal Congressional debate and a definitive end game for Syria. We may end up emboldening our enemies.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yah, no reason to help others in a civil war...especially with our history and with what is going down in Syria

but hey, no reasons at all...and I'm not even onboard with intervening at all

still, let's not be so blind to the plethora of reasons pro and con out there...humanity being one big one

There are places in the world worse than Syria and where human rights are being violated. Should we intervene everywhere ?

Let the Arab league take charge. Let's not continue the mistakes of the past

[spoon]

Part of the problem is that 100,000 have been killed there already. Why the rush to get involved NOW?

Why Syria and why not Libya? The problem I have is with inconsistency in this Administration's foreign policy, a lack of formal Congressional debate and a definitive end game for Syria. We may end up emboldening our enemies.

well let's be honest, this is hardly a rush at this point

i get what you're saying, but it has been a very long struggle over there

as for enemies, I wouldn't say it's the reason to go there at all, rather a side story to helping some pretty big atrocities to continue...I understand there are other things to consider, but it shouldn't be the end all be all

if anything, if we are being serious and real, this admin won't be allowed to through congress to do anything unless it's in the GOP's best interest and they can claim some sort of victory. both sides are so fucking polarized nothing of substance actually gets done any longer in the best interest of our domestic or foreign policies. it's just how can they capitalize in the end.

[spoon]

There are places in the world worse than Syria and where human rights are being violated. Should we intervene everywhere ?

Let the Arab league take charge. Let's not continue the mistakes of the past

of course, but I'd say we have a much bigger and vested interest in this region right or wrong

tossing it away and letting THIS in front of our faces happens isn't as easy as you make it out to be

intervening isn't either

I'd LOVE for someone else to do so, but you damn well know they will not.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well let's be honest, this is hardly a rush at this point

i get what you're saying, but it has been a very long struggle over there

as for enemies, I wouldn't say it's the reason to go there at all, rather a side story to helping some pretty big atrocities to continue...I understand there are other things to consider, but it shouldn't be the end all be all

if anything, if we are being serious and real, this admin won't be allowed to through congress to do anything unless it's in the GOP's best interest and they can claim some sort of victory. both sides are so fucking polarized nothing of substance actually gets done any longer in the best interest of our domestic or foreign policies. it's just how can they capitalize in the end.


The president already violated the war powers act with Libya.


Even though Barack is the CinC he can not unilaterally get this country into a military conflict

[spoon]

sigh

this again

how many times must you be refuted?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sigh

How many times must Barack violate his oath and the constitution

If Barack wants to intervene. Take it to congress

[A.J.]

well let's be honest, this is hardly a rush at this point

i get what you're saying, but it has been a very long struggle over there

as for enemies, I wouldn't say it's the reason to go there at all, rather a side story to helping some pretty big atrocities to continue...I understand there are other things to consider, but it shouldn't be the end all be all

if anything, if we are being serious and real, this admin won't be allowed to through congress to do anything unless it's in the GOP's best interest and they can claim some sort of victory. both sides are so fucking polarized nothing of substance actually gets done any longer in the best interest of our domestic or foreign policies. it's just how can they capitalize in the end.

Valid points all. I just keep thinking back to Iraq. Saddam gassed the Kurds and we did nothing -- until years later for an alleged WMD threat. Assad reportedly gasses some of his people and now we have to act because a line has been crossed. I guess too bad for the 100,000 killed by bombs and bullets but cool for the 1,500 or so killed by gas.

I'm not being critical just to be critical. I simply don't want to commit knee-jerk military responses that could possibly make a bad situation worse in Syria and the region writ large -- particularly when we're doing it unilaterally.

[spoon]

i agree with your take almost completely to be honest

it is not an easy thing to navigate that much is known, yet wf's angles are just plain fucking stupid and completely bullshit attacks and they are tiring

never can an important topic be discussed without infusing his god damn politics in such an arrogant, dicky and biased fashion

yes, oath and constitution yet he remains...sure the GOP wouldn't jump all over that at all right

wf derp

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you realize that there are members of Baracks party who want Congress to have a say?

Barack is not a dictator.

My arguments against military intervention have history on my side.

[A.J.]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Our closest ally the Brits voted against intervention.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kerry said there won't be men on the ground

Yea like there are no CIA agents already there. This government is not to be trusted. Manipulate deceive and lie. Barack is just like the rest but Mr Smartest President ever is not going to keep making the same mistakes. We trust our leader!!

[spoon]

Do you realize that there are members of Baracks party who want Congress to have a say?

Barack is not a dictator.

My arguments against military intervention have history on my side.

do you realize nobody said FOR Obama to act here, much less without congress weighing in?

for fuck's sake man

he's not a dictator...wow, stunning news

history has nothing to do with you veering off course again and again to make bullshit points, much less there are pro and con examples throughout history, not just con

[spoon]

Kerry said there won't be men on the ground

Yea like there are no CIA agents already there. This government is not to be trusted. Manipulate deceive and lie. Barack is just like the rest but Mr Smartest President ever is not going to keep making the same mistakes. We trust our leader!!

ok, you got your wish and now on to the next line of bullshit

seriously, no matter what he and or Kerry did here, they lose with idiots like you

and it's not some easy issues, as most foreign policy in that region goes

[spoon]

not to mention it's just "THIS GOVERNMENT" that uses the CIA and black opps (pun intended for our resident racist) in situations like these...but remember, "THIS GOVERNMENT can't be trusted" even when making the exact call you wanted.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No dopey. They lose because of previous attempts to intervene in the Muslim world going back a decade.


This is an easy issue. Stay out

Barack said previously that Assad must go now it's they don't want regime change. Barack is not to be trusted that factor is long gone.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who is Barack going to anger if we don't strike Syria ? Those 2 idiots McCain and Graham?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

not to mention it's just "THIS GOVERNMENT" that uses the CIA and black opps (pun intended for our resident racist) in situations like these...but remember, "THIS GOVERNMENT can't be trusted" even when making the exact call you wanted.



You do know I disagree with his white half also you repetitive cunt?

Is everything race to you? Just get a tan a mustache a degree in theology and talk like you have marbles in your mouth
You can be the next Jesse Jackson

[spoon]

You do know I disagree with his white half also you repetitive cunt?

Is everything race to you? Just get a tan a mustache a degree in theology and talk like you have marbles in your mouth
You can be the next Jesse Jackson

no, the hard on you have for him and plenty of YOUR racist history, which is on my side here as you'd like to say

and you have YET to focus on issues ever, it always comes back to your fucking infatuation with "this admin" that can't be trusted...which ironically started before even IN office with you.

and you think I am worried about who gets angry at home if we don't intervene? that's hardly the end all either...but fuck it, you can't piss off McCain you nailed it! I bet it's the only reason some think that we SHOULD help in some fashion. Always the deep thinker...and you calling anyone else dopey is fucking priceless.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You really are a sick fuck. Now incompetence lies and mismanagement means racism?

Barack ran as a candidate against actions like this and not getting consent from congress. He also was supposed to be different from all the rest. While tens of millions were lining up and listening to his drivel I knew back then when he was a senator that he would violate his oath just like many others did

However, we have the failures of the Arab spring Iraq and no clear objective in Afghanistan as proof

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The issue is being focused on!!!

Our many failures of intervention over the last decade

[spoon]

hardly

your focus is on the Obama angle as per the norm

you do realize what the issue actually is, not the person in charge, or one of them, making tough calls on it?

dumb question, you have fucking stupidity/racist blinders on

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No idiot.

I would have objected if Romney was president and wanted to intervene.

So what then? I hate Mormons ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Revoke that Nobel Peace prize!!!!

[spoon]

no, just blacks, mexicans...ok, anything but dumb ass rob schneider mixed with a piece of shit look you sport

again asshole, this is but a mere piece of your bullshit and loosely tied in to the overriding theme

yet you can't even begin to look past your nose and would ignore/deny it regardless

you're a racist not bc you don't agree with his policy, but how you normally do it...over and over and over again...and your links, verbiage and other awesome threads on immigration and agreements with folks like Dude on just awful shit clearly make you what you are. so yes, it just is bc you don't want to be in Syria after Kerry told you what? yet here we are stupid.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Spew out the same bullshit and you accuse me of being a parrot

Doesn't work here idiot. I judge Barack on the content of his character.


You are infected with a fetish to bring up race all the time and try to spin legitimate criticism of Barack as racist when seeing that there is a shit ton of white politicians , yes even republicans that I have strong disagreements with. It really is comical but yet strange of you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you think Kerrys speech was the deal breaker then you really are a dope

I've stated many times before , enough of the military adventures and interventions , yet you Bring up old tired words of racism like a petulant child.

[spoon]

Spew out the same bullshit and you accuse me of being a parrot

Doesn't work here idiot. I judge Barack on the content of his character.


You are infected with a fetish to bring up race all the time and try to spin legitimate criticism of Barack as racist when seeing that there is a shit ton of white politicians , yes even republicans that I have strong disagreements with. It really is comical but yet strange of you.

no

[spoon]

If you think Kerrys speech was the deal breaker then you really are a dope

I've stated many times before , enough of the military adventures and interventions , yet you Bring up old tired words of racism like a petulant child.

no again

you ARE a racist fool

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are a pathetic repetitive dope.

What is the objective of attacking Syria?
What happens after the attack ?
What are the repercussions ?
Why isn't Barack asking Boehner and Reid to bring the House and Senate back?
Why isn't Barack making a case in front of the UN or at least sending Kerry there?


Barack backed himself into a corner and once again embarrassed himself
I see him attacking Syria to get the country's mind off his domestic failures, mismanagement and corruption

[spoon]

blah blah blah

deflection, misdirection and bunch of new questions nobody argued EITHER side of yet, outside of your FUCK OBAMA stance...whether he does jump in, or not bc he can't be trusted. seems quite rational and sane. and we all know where it all stems from right? you're a racist cunt

el fin!

:smoke:

[Dude!]

You are a pathetic repetitive dope.

i love how Sy Sperling Jr.
calls you racist all the time...
and him with his all-white hockey team
and big job with no black executives
and only white friends (if he has any)

a definite case of the old
"methinks he doth protest too much"

[spoon]

nah, you never think

so nix all that garbage

yet it is hilarious how you are taking notes on shit you make up

for the record, you make WF look like a mix of the ACLU and NAACP

[WRESTLINGFAN]

blah blah blah

deflection, misdirection and bunch of new questions nobody argued EITHER side of yet, outside of your FUCK OBAMA stance...whether he does jump in, or not bc he can't be trusted. seems quite rational and sane. and we all know where it all stems from right? you're a racist cunt

el fin!

:smoke:


Those are legitimate questions dopey.

Barack opened his trap last year by making that comment about the red line. And no he is not to be trusted. Again arguably our biggest ally wants no part of it. Cameron had the decency of going to parliament for a vote.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i love how Sy Sperling Jr.
calls you racist all the time...
and him with his all-white hockey team
and big job with no black executives
and only white friends (if he has any)

a definite case of the old
"methinks he doth protest too much"

Spoon thinks he's down with the struggle. I bet that fraud lives nowhere near Paterson Newark or Camden

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then Senator Barack in an interview with the Boston Globe


"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."


That is your constitutional scholars own words

[spoon]

Those are legitimate questions dopey.

Barack opened his trap last year by making that comment about the red line. And no he is not to be trusted. Again arguably our biggest ally wants no part of it. Cameron had the decency of going to parliament for a vote.

again "dopey" (so ridiculous), your questions brought up after the fact were never on the table, much less brought up objectively UNTIL you were called out...yes, AGAIN

as for the live near...make sense bc even if I lived IN said cities it wouldn't validate or negate my concerns or views in the least

and "our biggest ally" has followed our lead, good or bad, for decades now. what they do surely doesn't influence my overall decision and it shouldn't ours either. I'd say the "red line" he drew is a pretty good thing to stand behind despite AJ's very solid point on war/death...yet I'd hardly expect you to be unbiased and discuss this. we all know it's all Obama's fault...why can't everyone see this through such biased eyes!? fucking fool doesn't even begin to describe you

if you had come on with the first three questions, LONG AGO, and steered clear of your MO...perhaps you'd be taken the least bit seriously. yet here, you once again act as if I am going at some other subject matter that I simply am not. I guess this is now just that I don't think there is legitimacy to some of your questions, despite it being so off it's fucking comical.

now post a new question and proactively act as if anyone, much less me, called it out before it was even typed out. oh, but I'm sure there WILL be racist reasoning behind it all.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I'd say the "red line" he drew is a pretty good thing to stand behind

why?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again "dopey" (so ridiculous), your questions brought up after the fact were never on the table, much less brought up objectively UNTIL you were called out...yes, AGAIN

as for the live near...make sense bc even if I lived IN said cities it wouldn't validate or negate my concerns or views in the least

and "our biggest ally" has followed our lead, good or bad, for decades now. what they do surely doesn't influence my overall decision and it shouldn't ours either. I'd say the "red line" he drew is a pretty good thing to stand behind despite AJ's very solid point on war/death...yet I'd hardly expect you to be unbiased and discuss this. we all know it's all Obama's fault...why can't everyone see this through such biased eyes!? fucking fool doesn't even begin to describe you

if you had come on with the first three questions, LONG AGO, and steered clear of your MO...perhaps you'd be taken the least bit seriously. yet here, you once again act as if I am going at some other subject matter that I simply am not. I guess this is now just that I don't think there is legitimacy to some of your questions, despite it being so off it's fucking comical.

now post a new question and proactively act as if anyone, much less me, called it out before it was even typed out. oh, but I'm sure there WILL be racist reasoning behind it all.


You try to hide behind the veil of legitimate criticism of Barack is racism . It's old repetitive and adds nothing to the debate except making you look sad.

So now you are trying and failing to link the timing of my concerns? Fail!!!

Again Biasness? It's called legitimate criticism based on policy and not skin color. How many times must I post that I would disagree if it was a President Romney or McCain?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack is going to ask congress for authority but his words today can not convince me that military intervention is needed.

So far France is willing to support it. The Turks want Assad toppled but they are supporting the Jihadists.

I listened to his words and he can not be trusted.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

PS

The War monger said at least twice that we are a democracy. The constitutional scholar still does not know we are a Constitutuonal Republic?

[SonOfSmeagol]

when does the OJT end for our fearless leader and his Team?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He had 2 years to make a case for a coalition. He hopes Congress an get him out of his jam after being backed into a corner so maybe his poll numbers will rise.

The coward wouldn't take questions

[spoon]

why?

if you have to ask

[spoon]

You try to hide behind the veil of legitimate criticism of Barack is racism . It's old repetitive and adds nothing to the debate except making you look sad.

So now you are trying and failing to link the timing of my concerns? Fail!!!

Again Biasness? It's called legitimate criticism based on policy and not skin color. How many times must I post that I would disagree if it was a President Romney or McCain?

ok, as usual this is simple retarded and anyone mad enough to follow gets the point versus you changing it 40 times...you start everything with bullshit and then jump in later after said bullshit and act like THAT is what I am calling out. plain fucking stupid and only a fool would fall for any of it. Like here, you act as if the very things AJ and I were discussing without partisan views in either direction, much less blame before ANYTHING even went down, no matter which way he goes, bc he can't be trusted. And you adding you don't like the last two failed GOP cands is like saying you won't support the fucking Cubs bc they simply aren't there and became whipping posts for the party.

yes, bias. you are filled with it on each and every fucking post you muster

as i said earlier, you come in with actual questions like first three and no underlying bullshit agenda, as if anyone here is going to change their political takes (all 5 or so that actually post in here at all). simply put, you're a racist cunt and like to play stupid games posting and I'd venture that's even giving you too much credit. you're probably just that fucking clouded with obama rage and for obvious reason

[spoon]

Barack is going to ask congress for authority but his words today can not convince me that military intervention is needed.

So far France is willing to support it. The Turks want Assad toppled but they are supporting the Jihadists.

I listened to his words and he can not be trusted.

well what a SHOCK!

you listened and deduced he can not be trusted...no shit news of the day two

there is literally NOTHING he or his admin could say to convince you of anything even though he's doing EXACTLY what you said he must now.

[spoon]

PS

The War monger said at least twice that we are a democracy. The constitutional scholar still does not know we are a Constitutuonal Republic?

FUCKO!!

I got the line in WF Bingo called FUCKO!

Won this round with the classic liner above!

woooo

[spoon]

He had 2 years to make a case for a coalition. He hopes Congress an get him out of his jam after being backed into a corner so maybe his poll numbers will rise.

The coward wouldn't take questions

sigh

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You really are fucking stupid. Your replies of racism are a pathetic attempt at best.
I'm going by this presidents track record and mismanagement and our previous failures of foreign interventions. Where is he going to get a coalition? He's lost credibility from our biggest ally, he lost it with the Murrican People. If he gets authority it will be most likely with a razor thin margin in the house. The Senate is in the tank for him with both parties especially with Graham and McCain leading the charge

Barack looks like he doesn't know what he's doing. All you can reply is a phony charge of racism and you accuse me of having a raging hardon for him?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well what a SHOCK!

you listened and deduced he can not be trusted...no shit news of the day two

there is literally NOTHING he or his admin could say to convince you of anything even though he's doing EXACTLY what you said he must now.

Wow!!! Give him a gold star. He's actually following procedure.


You said that you're not on board with intervention. You didn't vote for him. Did you change your mind?
If we should intervene, give reasons for it

[spoon]

Wow!!! Give him a gold star. He's actually following procedure.


You said that you're not on board with intervention. You didn't vote for him. Did you change your mind?
If we should intervene, give reasons for it

were you not just berating him proactively for NOT doing it stupid?

bc I think you were

and no, I'm not on their side of this issue either, yet it doesn't make your racism/bias shine through any fucking less. also, I do at least acknowledge this isn't some cut and dry easy issue you make it to be here.

in the end, you bullshit is tiring, like your fucking talking points tied into ANYTHING on this board

are you Bill O'Reilly's illegitimate child with Rob Schneider on fucking crack?

[A.J.]

He had 2 years to make a case for a coalition. He hopes Congress an get him out of his jam after being backed into a corner so maybe his poll numbers will rise.

The coward wouldn't take questions

I don't see how Congress is going to get him out of a jam when it's clear that Congress is not going to support him attacking Syria.

But to the other point about having 2 years to make a coalition: the fact that he had two years to form a coalition points out what I was saying that the problem all along is inconsistency in our foreign policy. We stayed out of everywhere else but now we have to attack Syria because chemical weapons (WMDs if you will) were allegedly (not 100% confirmed by UN inspectors or Intel) used by the Assad regime? We let the death toll keep climbing there for two years but because the method of killing has now changed, NOW is the time for us to do something...AND ON OUR OWN?

I think it's a little late in the game to do much good.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not trusting this president and calling out his dismal track record isn't racism. It's analyzing his 4 1/2 years in office and his gross incompetence. Color doesn't matter dummy. I'd be critical of him if he was white

Your schtick is old tired and boring. Again slow one. I said no intervention. Nada zero. My case is that if he was to intervene, why did he spend 2 years dithering? Partially because he lacks executive skills.

BTW OReilly wants intervention.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't see how Congress is going to get him out of a jam when it's clear that Congress is not going to support him attacking Syria.

But to the other point about having 2 years to make a coalition: the fact that he had two years to form a coalition points out what I was saying that the problem all along is inconsistency in our foreign policy. We stayed out of everywhere else but now we have to attack Syria because chemical weapons (WMDs if you will) were allegedly (not 100% confirmed by UN inspectors or Intel) used by the Assad regime? We let the death toll keep climbing there for two years but because the method of killing has now changed, NOW is the time for us to do something...AND ON OUR OWN?

I think it's a little late in the game to do much good.


I think he will get the Senate votes. The house will be very close. There are a lot more politicians from both parties who have a lot of base voters. I wouldn't be surprised if its a 217 to 215 vote or something very close to that

[Kevin]

Not trusting this president and calling out his dismal track record isn't racism. It's analyzing his 4 1/2 years in office and his gross incompetence. Color doesn't matter dummy. I'd be critical of him if he was white

Your schtick is old tired and boring. Again slow one. I said no intervention. Nada zero. My case is that if he was to intervene, why did he spend 2 years dithering? Partially because he lacks executive skills.

BTW OReilly wants intervention.

Please tell me what is dismal about it?

The debt is shrinking, so is the jobless rate.

Has he done the best job?

Yes

Has he disappointed me on things?

Yes.

But making it seem like he is the worst president ever is far from the case.

He had a lot put on him combined with a congress that gives him no help. They want to see him fail, country be dammed

He has not gotten much help from the dems either.

No matter what party, you have a bunch of rich white guys who are probably not to happy that a black man is President.

People of your ilk have hated him from the start. Lets not hide behind this "dismal record" facade.

You guys were bashing him, wanting him to fail from day 1.

Some has to do with his political views, or party but a lot has to do with the color of his skin.

You only know what category you fall into.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Debt is rising

Deficit is going back up next year

More people have left the workforce and the labor participation rate is dismal

Most of jobs created are part time

GDP rate is atrocious

Obamacare. Delays, delays and more delays. Will end up costing more than expected

Afghanistan a failure.

Auto bailouts and stimulus a failure

Its not hoping he would fail, it's knowing he would. When tens of millions of voters invest their entire lives in a politician and thinking he would be the one to bring peace and prosperity and yes tens of millions idolizing him, that made me very skeptical.

I understand supporting a politician but being naive and making excuses for his shortcomings does show a cult like following

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who is even more pathetic than Obama??

Mitt Romney. He could not close the deal and state his case to defeat a deeply flawed president . He probably ran a worse campaign than McCain

[SonOfSmeagol]

ok, as usual this is simple retarded and anyone mad enough to follow gets the point versus you changing it 40 times...you start everything with bullshit and then jump in later after said bullshit and act like THAT is what I am calling out. plain fucking stupid and only a fool would fall for any of it. Like here, you act as if the very things AJ and I were discussing without partisan views in either direction, much less blame before ANYTHING even went down, no matter which way he goes, bc he can't be trusted. And you adding you don't like the last two failed GOP cands is like saying you won't support the fucking Cubs bc they simply aren't there and became whipping posts for the party.

yes, bias. you are filled with it on each and every fucking post you muster

as i said earlier, you come in with actual questions like first three and no underlying bullshit agenda, as if anyone here is going to change their political takes (all 5 or so that actually post in here at all). simply put, you're a racist cunt and like to play stupid games posting and I'd venture that's even giving you too much credit. you're probably just that fucking clouded with obama rage and for obvious reason

it's a software program you've got that gins this stuff up, right? :popcorn:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[Kevin]

Debt is rising

Deficit is going back up next year

More people have left the workforce and the labor participation rate is dismal

Most of jobs created are part time

GDP rate is atrocious

Obamacare. Delays, delays and more delays. Will end up costing more than expected

Afghanistan a failure.

Auto bailouts and stimulus a failure

Its not hoping he would fail, it's knowing he would. When tens of millions of voters invest their entire lives in a politician and thinking he would be the one to bring peace and prosperity and yes tens of millions idolizing him, that made me very skeptical.

I understand supporting a politician but being naive and making excuses for his shortcomings does show a cult like following

On your first comment....

WASHINGTON -- The government on Monday reported a $97.6 billion deficit for July but remains on track to post its lowest annual budget gap in five years.

July's figure raises the deficit so far for the 2013 budget year to $607.4 billion, the government says. That's 37.6 percent below the $973.8 billion deficit for the first 10 months of the 2012 budget year.

The Congressional Budget Office has forecast that the annual deficit will be $670 billion when the budget year ends Sept. 30, far below last year's $1.09 trillion. It would mark the first year that the gap between spending and revenue has been below $1 trillion since 2008.

Steady economic growth, higher taxes, lower government spending and increased dividends from mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have helped shrink the deficit.

On your Afghanistan.... HE WAS NOT THE ONE WHO STARTED IT! IT WAS THE LAST GUY.... So wrong there...

Obamacare. Delays, delays and more delays. Will end up costing more than expected: And why do you think that is? Because of my point about getting zero support.

Auto bailouts and stimulus a failure: Yea, because that is his fault too... Not the other guy leaving it to him.... And GM making shitty cars.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The deficits will go down for a couple of years, then increase.

Barack is the CinC now so he owns Afghanistan. Casualties have spiked under his administration

If Obamacare is such a gem why is Barack picking and choosing what sections to carry out? He's a whore to big business and the Individual mandate is still in effect. Union Bosses like Jimmy Hoffa are now skeptical of it


Part time jobs and GDP growth averaging around 2% is not a robust economy.

GM Bailout is a loser. In order to break even GM shares have to hit $55 a share. Its only at around $ 34

Chrysler was returned fully back to the private sector at a 1 billion dollar loss



47 Million are on food stamps. 1 in 6 are in poverty.



Yes that Barack saved the economy.



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[foodcourtdruide]

On your first comment....

WASHINGTON -- The government on Monday reported a $97.6 billion deficit for July but remains on track to post its lowest annual budget gap in five years.

July's figure raises the deficit so far for the 2013 budget year to $607.4 billion, the government says. That's 37.6 percent below the $973.8 billion deficit for the first 10 months of the 2012 budget year.

The Congressional Budget Office has forecast that the annual deficit will be $670 billion when the budget year ends Sept. 30, far below last year's $1.09 trillion. It would mark the first year that the gap between spending and revenue has been below $1 trillion since 2008.

Steady economic growth, higher taxes, lower government spending and increased dividends from mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have helped shrink the deficit.

On your Afghanistan.... HE WAS NOT THE ONE WHO STARTED IT! IT WAS THE LAST GUY.... So wrong there...

Obamacare. Delays, delays and more delays. Will end up costing more than expected: And why do you think that is? Because of my point about getting zero support.

Auto bailouts and stimulus a failure: Yea, because that is his fault too... Not the other guy leaving it to him.... And GM making shitty cars.

Poor Kevin.. using facts and logic with WF. You will soon learn.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't see how Congress is going to get him out of a jam when it's clear that Congress is not going to support him attacking Syria.

But to the other point about having 2 years to make a coalition: the fact that he had two years to form a coalition points out what I was saying that the problem all along is inconsistency in our foreign policy. We stayed out of everywhere else but now we have to attack Syria because chemical weapons (WMDs if you will) were allegedly (not 100% confirmed by UN inspectors or Intel) used by the Assad regime? We let the death toll keep climbing there for two years but because the method of killing has now changed, NOW is the time for us to do something...AND ON OUR OWN?

I think it's a little late in the game to do much good.

I agree A.J. I don't really understand our motivations for this war. There are other parts of the world, with higher death counts. Even just looking at Syria, why NOW? Because the word "chemical" is attached to a the weapons used for killing? So we're OK with old fashioned rape and murder, but once sarin is used a line is crossed?

I'm happy Obama won't attack without the support of congress, but I just find it a little puzzling that we choose THIS time and place over others.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Poor Kevin.. using facts and logic with WF. You will soon learn.

Poor Kevin

I have already acknowledged that the deficits will fall for a couple of years. However according to the CBO




http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43907


" In CBO’s baseline projections, deficits continue to shrink over the next few years, falling to 2.4 percent of GDP by 2015. Deficits are projected to increase later in the coming decade, however, because of the pressures of an aging population, rising health care costs, an expansion of federal subsidies for health insurance, and growing interest payments on federal debt. As a result, federal debt held by the public is projected to remain historically high relative to the size of the economy for the next decade. By 2023, if current laws remain in place, debt will equal 77 percent of GDP and be on an upward path, CBO Projects"


Damn those facts


What I already shot those comments down with


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Debt is rising

Deficit is going back up next year (Slight correction, in the coming years)

More people have left the workforce and the labor participation rate is dismal

Most of jobs created are part time

GDP rate is atrocious

Obamacare. Delays, delays and more delays. Will end up costing more than expected

Afghanistan a failure.

Auto bailouts and stimulus a failure

Its not hoping he would fail, it's knowing he would. When tens of millions of voters invest their entire lives in a politician and thinking he would be the one to bring peace and prosperity and yes tens of millions idolizing him, that made me very skeptical.

I understand supporting a politician but being naive and making excuses for his shortcomings does show a cult like following

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree A.J. I don't really understand our motivations for this war. There are other parts of the world, with higher death counts. Even just looking at Syria, why NOW? Because the word "chemical" is attached to a the weapons used for killing? So we're OK with old fashioned rape and murder, but once sarin is used a line is crossed?

I'm happy Obama won't attack without the support of congress, but I just find it a little puzzling that we choose THIS time and place over others.

At least we have France

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Syd]

I agree A.J. I don't really understand our motivations for this war.

There's essentially ethnic cleansings going on in Syria and it will escalate and involve Kurds, which will involve Turkey. In addition, there's a bigger battle in Islam than Sunni-Shia in Salafists (Saudi Arabia) and the more moderate Muslim Brotherhood (pretty much the rest of the Middle East).

Right now, Saudi Arabia and America can keep the conflict between the Arabs and Persians and keep people focused on that rather than the conflict in the Arab world itself. So, once Syria falls to the Muslim Brotherhood they'll start to create unrest in Saudi Arabia as well as Egypt which will cripple oil output and trade.

The battle for Syria is basically a battle between opportunists -- China, India and Russia and pragmatists. The former are making a quick buck hoping that the latter will clean up the situation after the bodies are buried.

So you have mass killings and global economy being reasons to intervene in Syria and blind opposition to Obama as reasons not to intervene in Syria. Hell, it's even realpolitik just to bite the bullet and let Obama destroy helicopter and air bases in Syria just to tip the scales of balance toward the rebels in this case.

also because there are only 7 jobs for every 10 americans (not including 65+ or under 18) it's probably in our best interest to limit any sort of damage to the global economy unless even more jobs are to be permanently lost

[foodcourtdruide]

There's essentially ethnic cleansings going on in Syria and it will escalate and involve Kurds, which will involve Turkey. In addition, there's a bigger battle in Islam than Sunni-Shia in Salafists (Saudi Arabia) and the more moderate Muslim Brotherhood (pretty much the rest of the Middle East).

Right now, Saudi Arabia and America can keep the conflict between the Arabs and Persians and keep people focused on that rather than the conflict in the Arab world itself. So, once Syria falls to the Muslim Brotherhood they'll start to create unrest in Saudi Arabia as well as Egypt which will cripple oil output and trade.

The battle for Syria is basically a battle between opportunists -- China, India and Russia and pragmatists. The former are making a quick buck hoping that the latter will clean up the situation after the bodies are buried.

So you have mass killings and global economy being reasons to intervene in Syria and blind opposition to Obama as reasons not to intervene in Syria. Hell, it's even realpolitik just to bite the bullet and let Obama destroy helicopter and air bases in Syria just to tip the scales of balance toward the rebels in this case.

also because there are only 7 jobs for every 10 americans (not including 65+ or under 18) it's probably in our best interest to limit any sort of damage to the global economy unless even more jobs are to be permanently lost

Thanks syd. That was very informative.

The global economy stuff makes sense, but I don't believe we really care about ethnic cleansing, considering how much we ignore mass killings in other parts if the world.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The administration states they don't want regime change , which means they do.

If Sunni elements which include Al Qaeda takes over, then what? Syria has a large Christian and Druze minority, there could be attacks like how the Coptics are being targeted in Egypt
Some foreign sources are reporting that the Saudis provided Sarin to the rebels.

While I'm not ready to decide who actually used CW's I'm not ready to believe our intel. It could be cherry picked or flat out false. We'll see

[Syd]

there could be attacks like how the Coptics are being targeted in Egypt

They're not being targeted because they're Christian, they're being targeted because who they support. Muslim Brotherhood is (far?) more tolerant of Christians and Jews than Salafists are.

Even if no chemical weapons are being used, the Syrian government is intentionally destroying humanitarian targets in order to cause mass death and disease spread. Just as bad.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They're not being targeted because they're Christian, they're being targeted because who they support. Muslim Brotherhood is (far?) more tolerant of Christians and Jews than Salafists are.

Even if no chemical weapons are being used, the Syrian government is intentionally destroying humanitarian targets in order to cause mass death and disease spread. Just as bad.

My concern about our possible involvement is the what if factor, Specifically what happens if it's not a limited engagement. I think a large portion of this war is being directed from Teheran. Hezbollah fighters are sided with Assad ,more could spill over from Lebanon

Going to be an interesting week especially with Obama and Vlad at the G 20

[SonOfSmeagol]

There's essentially ethnic cleansings going on in Syria and it will escalate and involve Kurds, which will involve Turkey. In addition, there's a bigger battle in Islam than Sunni-Shia in Salafists (Saudi Arabia) and the more moderate Muslim Brotherhood (pretty much the rest of the Middle East).

Right now, Saudi Arabia and America can keep the conflict between the Arabs and Persians and keep people focused on that rather than the conflict in the Arab world itself. So, once Syria falls to the Muslim Brotherhood they'll start to create unrest in Saudi Arabia as well as Egypt which will cripple oil output and trade.

The battle for Syria is basically a battle between opportunists -- China, India and Russia and pragmatists. The former are making a quick buck hoping that the latter will clean up the situation after the bodies are buried.

So you have mass killings and global economy being reasons to intervene in Syria and blind opposition to Obama as reasons not to intervene in Syria. Hell, it's even realpolitik just to bite the bullet and let Obama destroy helicopter and air bases in Syria just to tip the scales of balance toward the rebels in this case.
Thanks syd. That was very informative.
Syd, it’s an interesting take. I wouldn’t call it wholly inaccurate :dry: but it definitely has your twist!

It’s really not ethnic cleansing. The 10% minority in control was challenged by the other 90% who got a whiff of the Arab spring 2 years ago. The entire 100% of Syria is an incredibly complex mix of sects, and no one has the upper hand on the other to “ethnic cleanse”. The 10% are fighting the 90% over what was initially power and control of the state, but it has predictably turned into a sectarian war with allies stacking up on both sides. And it will never escalate into Turkey – the kurds land holdings are not in play, nor will they ever be, and Turkey won’t do anything except internationally. The kurds will remain in the 90%.

Syria will not fall to the Muslim Brotherhood (where did you get THAT). But Saudi has a major concern – I think they want: “quiet please” and not a lot of unrest too close to home. THEY should’ve been the ones to take the lead to take a rhetorical and material swipe at Syria, as in: “hey little neighbor, what the FUCK are you doing using chems in my backyard?”

China and India are non-factors. Russia has the big-time arms customer in Syria, as well as what I think is one of the few, if not only, military bases outside the original USSR, in Syria! And in a very nice location indeed! Not to mention that they like to tweak the west in good old fashioned cold-war bravado – and for good reason from their perspective!

So you have mass killings and global economy being reasons to intervene in Syria and blind opposition to Obama as reasons not to intervene in Syria.

The global economy will spike and fall over Syria, but there no direct connection and it’s not a reason to intervene. The only ones materially affected will be the players and ultimate winners and losers – YEARS from now because regardless of what we seem to be planning this is far from over.

“And so you have blind opposition to Obama as a reason to not intervene” is just ridiculous. This is where it takes a hard turn into pure politics on his part and it’s just sad. He put himself in a box and has tried to bring congress into it with him. These past two days you’ve seen him and his team attempt to take the high ground by saying he’s done the right thing, but quite simply – why didn’t he do this like 10 days ago? Because it wasn’t good politics, the polls were against him, and it been nothing short of chaos in our Feds dealing with this situation. he mixed too much politics into it.

Now all that said, I think he SHOULD have acted by now. But not because he drew the stupid red line. Kerry made the case Friday as best as any has
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/running-transcript-secretary-of-state-john-kerrys-remarks-on-syria-on-aug-30/2013/08/30/f3a63a1a-1193-11e3-85b6-d27422650fd5_story.html

O probably should’ve, by now, gone and taken out. e.g., a good portion of his air forces/defenses as well as the navy. Message: use chems and you will pay a price dear to you. but it won't tip the balance of power at all.

O and his team have also made it clear that they are seeking Congress approval, but don’t require it and, if I'm not wrong, intend to act with or without it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If he gets struck down look for him to act unilaterally

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love how Baracks sycophants are trying to spin this as a brilliant move and say it will be the fault of Congress if Barack doesn't get his way

[foodcourtdruide]

I love how Baracks sycophants are trying to spin this as a brilliant move and say it will be the fault of Congress if Barack doesn't get his way

Can you please go post on the messageboard where people are actually doing that, instead of here?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why must you and Spoon always bring up me accusing anyone here of that?

I'm saying in general like in the media, sites like Politico etc.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Great !!

Barack is meeting with arguably the 2 biggest menaces today in regards to foreign policy. Graham and McCain

[Syd]

Syd, it’s an interesting take. I wouldn’t call it wholly inaccurate :dry: but it definitely has your twist!

It’s really not ethnic cleansing. The 10% minority in control was challenged by the other 90% who got a whiff of the Arab spring 2 years ago. The entire 100% of Syria is an incredibly complex mix of sects, and no one has the upper hand on the other to “ethnic cleanse”. The 10% are fighting the 90% over what was initially power and control of the state, but it has predictably turned into a sectarian war with allies stacking up on both sides. And it will never escalate into Turkey – the kurds land holdings are not in play, nor will they ever be, and Turkey won’t do anything except internationally. The kurds will remain in the 90%.

What? The Kurds are one of the people that are being killed in mass, in addition to Sunnis now that there's a religious division in the war. Turkey will eventually get pissed at the refugees along with the other countries in the region.

Syria will not fall to the Muslim Brotherhood (where did you get THAT). But Saudi has a major concern – I think they want: “quiet please” and not a lot of unrest too close to home. THEY should’ve been the ones to take the lead to take a rhetorical and material swipe at Syria, as in: “hey little neighbor, what the FUCK are you doing using chems in my backyard?”

Muslim Brotherhood against Salafists are the big conflict here. Saudi Arabia wants to keep the Muslim Brotherhood as a non-entity because they're a threat to their rule and maybe some other people think their religion is shit as well, but mostly a threat to their sovereignty.

China and India are non-factors. Russia has the big-time arms customer in Syria, as well as what I think is one of the few, if not only, military bases outside the original USSR, in Syria! And in a very nice location indeed! Not to mention that they like to tweak the west in good old fashioned cold-war bravado – and for good reason from their perspective!

China and India are economically invested in the country. If there's a big regime change, a lot of their work will be undone. Russia is more interested in natural gas and oil than selling arms. AK-47s are just the jimmies they sell people on top of their hydrocarbon sundae.



The global economy will spike and fall over Syria, but there no direct connection and it’s not a reason to intervene. The only ones materially affected will be the players and ultimate winners and losers – YEARS from now because regardless of what we seem to be planning this is far from over.

Oil and the Suez Canal beg to differ. Look at the massive response to Somali pirates establishing control over their territorial waters.

“And so you have blind opposition to Obama as a reason to not intervene” is just ridiculous. This is where it takes a hard turn into pure politics on his part and it’s just sad. He put himself in a box and has tried to bring congress into it with him.

Obama has been bending over backwards to stay out of Syria. To the point of letting it become a religious conflict rather than a democratic uprising.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This could be Obamas wag the dog moment. NSA Scandal, being steamrolled by Putin. Hey might as well lob some missiles into Damascus

[SonOfSmeagol]

What? The Kurds are one of the people that are being killed in mass, in addition to Sunnis now that there's a religious division in the war. Turkey will eventually get pissed at the refugees along with the other countries in the region.

Muslim Brotherhood against Salafists are the big conflict here. Saudi Arabia wants to keep the Muslim Brotherhood as a non-entity because they're a threat to their rule and maybe some other people think their religion is shit as well, but mostly a threat to their sovereignty.

China and India are economically invested in the country. If there's a big regime change, a lot of their work will be undone. Russia is more interested in natural gas and oil than selling arms. AK-47s are just the jimmies they sell people on top of their hydrocarbon sundae.

Oil and the Suez Canal beg to differ. Look at the massive response to Somali pirates establishing control over their territorial waters.

Obama has been bending over backwards to stay out of Syria. To the point of letting it become a religious conflict rather than a democratic uprising.

you make interesting points, but they're just not central to the situation.

the kurds are getting killed, like many others. but it's mostly by AQ types. it's all a mess. The one map that shows why Syria is so complicated (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/27/the-one-map-that-shows-why-syria-is-so-complicated/)

the Muslim Brotherhood is just not a factor in syria at all right now.

Russia has the most at stake by far. The other countries are just noise. But russia has the interest in the location and for their base there and, well, just being there to keep the west out, and they get good rubles. Russian won't be going anywhere.

Syria itself is just not a factor in oil and no one anywhere is talking about intervention there for that reason. They export a piddly amount and can't interrupt the flow at all.

As for O, it's really hard to find even a hint of "good job" for how he and his team have handled syria, and the obvious bigger problem of iran vs saudi, over the past two years.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[spoon]

The deficits will go down for a couple of years, then increase.

Barack is the CinC now so he owns Afghanistan. Casualties have spiked under his administration

If Obamacare is such a gem why is Barack picking and choosing what sections to carry out? He's a whore to big business and the Individual mandate is still in effect. Union Bosses like Jimmy Hoffa are now skeptical of it


Part time jobs and GDP growth averaging around 2% is not a robust economy.

GM Bailout is a loser. In order to break even GM shares have to hit $55 a share. Its only at around $ 34

Chrysler was returned fully back to the private sector at a 1 billion dollar loss



47 Million are on food stamps. 1 in 6 are in poverty.



Yes that Barack saved the economy.



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every single point you tried to attack him on are fucking wrong and stupid

but what else had anyone come to expect?

go software go!

and just to touch on one, one point that was JUST put to rest recently that you tried to toss out there last time on the Hoffa upset about Obamacare...again, they have zero issue with the bill and others getting care, in fact that's what they signed on for in the first place. the problem is piece of shit corps and big business are trying to part time everyone in true dirtbag fashion and pretty much trying to do exactly what the GOP have since day one, break the bill bc they want it to fail. it's a simple fix, but the gop led congress isn't going to let that happen you fool, and why would THAT be? oh yah, but the unions don't like obamacare right?

and before you go you OTHER BS route, they had PLENTY of people read the WHOLE bill you fuck, as politicians and interest groups have people just for this reason and hardly ever read bills completely, but get educated synopsis's from experts in whatever field the bill is on. so here plenty was written, discussed and debated, but somehow you think nobody had a clue as to what was in it. yet you also think they needed to ADD TO IT, so loopholes couldn't be found even though it was already REALLY long. make some sense for once. you don't like the bill, so be it, but your reasons for it are what WF? gov too big, scare WF!! he's just a caveman poster and the world scares him!

http://aristotlesrevenge.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/caveman.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dick Trumka loses 40,000 members

Longshoremen quit AFL-CIO citing Amnesty and Obamacare

[WRESTLINGFAN]

every single point you tried to attack him on are fucking wrong and stupid

but what else had anyone come to expect?

go software go!

and just to touch on one, one point that was JUST put to rest recently that you tried to toss out there last time on the Hoffa upset about Obamacare...again, they have zero issue with the bill and others getting care, in fact that's what they signed on for in the first place. the problem is piece of shit corps and big business are trying to part time everyone in true dirtbag fashion and pretty much trying to do exactly what the GOP have since day one, break the bill bc they want it to fail. it's a simple fix, but the gop led congress isn't going to let that happen you fool, and why would THAT be? oh yah, but the unions don't like obamacare right?

and before you go you OTHER BS route, they had PLENTY of people read the WHOLE bill you fuck, as politicians and interest groups have people just for this reason and hardly ever read bills completely, but get educated synopsis's from experts in whatever field the bill is on. so here plenty was written, discussed and debated, but somehow you think nobody had a clue as to what was in it. yet you also think they needed to ADD TO IT, so loopholes couldn't be found even though it was already REALLY long. make some sense for once. you don't like the bill, so be it, but your reasons for it are what WF? gov too big, scare WF!! he's just a caveman poster and the world scares him!

http://aristotlesrevenge.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/caveman.jpg


Sorry dopey those are the facts.

Again you bring up Big business and corps but Barack is a puppet to them

Who will Barack blame if his wish for intervention in Syria gets shot down?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Barack has Assad toppled, he should implement Obamacare in Syria. Maybe Al Qaeda or whatever Sharia government can cover clitorectomies

[Syd]

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oh oh oh make one for the Libyans, Iranians, Iraqis and Egyptians next

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama does have sort of a coalition for Syria. He's got AQ for ground support


And he's got France !!!

[spoon]

you make interesting points, but they're just not central to the situation.

the kurds are getting killed, like many others. but it's mostly by AQ types. it's all a mess. The one map that shows why Syria is so complicated (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/27/the-one-map-that-shows-why-syria-is-so-complicated/)

the Muslim Brotherhood is just not a factor in syria at all right now.

Russia has the most at stake by far. The other countries are just noise. But russia has the interest in the location and for their base there and, well, just being there to keep the west out, and they get good rubles. Russian won't be going anywhere.

Syria itself is just not a factor in oil and no one anywhere is talking about intervention there for that reason. They export a piddly amount and can't interrupt the flow at all.

As for O, it's really hard to find even a hint of "good job" for how he and his team have handled syria, and the obvious bigger problem of iran vs saudi, over the past two years.

very interesting takes on both ends here

nice to see some conversation that doesn't begin and end with Obama's fault


as for the situation, I have a few accounts that are directly from Syria, yet left years ago bc of persecution or simply a better life. one spoke of the horrors currently going on through the eyes of some family that remain there and it's very tough to listen to. this is the human side of this conflict, exempt of the politics, assets, markets and commodities linked to the area. sometimes it's that simple, even if we can't be everywhere, but here there are other factors where involvement can be argued for.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

McCain could relive the old days if there's airstrikes. Who knows? Maybe he can crash a jet on a carrier just like that time on the USS Forrestal

[PapaBear]

McCain could relive the old days if there's airstrikes. Who knows? Maybe he can crash a jet on a carrier just like that time on the USS Forrestal
He didn't crash a jet on the Forrestal. He sat in one that got hit by a misfired rocket.

[spoon]

hahahaha!

fuck the facts, he has a stupid tie in to work!!

only WF

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea just as bad as blaming a YouTube video

[spoon]

nice, you got PB on that one!

:surrender:

[PapaBear]

nice, you got PB on that one!

:surrender:
It stings so bad.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Weeper of the house is on board.

The French said if Barack doesn't get his way, they are out

[spoon]

The weeper of the house...wow this just gets better with every post.

[A.J.]

The weeper of the house...wow this just gets better with every post.

I know. Mike Schmidt should punch Boehner in the face for being such a pussy.

[Syd]

nice to see some conversation that doesn't begin and end with Obama's fault

Obama is at fault, if we had put the same level of support we did with Libya and Egypt a lot less people would be dead in Syria.

[A.J.]

Obama is at fault, if we had put the same level of support we did with Libya and Egypt a lot less people would be dead in Syria.

Which, again, begs the question why is Syria more important than Egypt and Libya are/were?

1500 or so dead by chemical weapons is bad -- but so are 100,000+ dead over 2 years by bombs and bullets.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why would Assad use CW? He's kicking the rebels asses.big time

[A.J.]

Why would Assad use CW? He's kicking the rebels asses.big time

Exactly. It's not 100% verified that he did because, shocker, we don't have intel assets in Syria to confirm this. It may have been one of the rebel groups.

And I think he would have learned how using them ended up working for Saddam Hussein.

[A.J.]

John Kerry was on CNN before testifying before the Senate about Syria. Reminded me of Colin Powell before the UN back in 2003.

BTW, what the fuck happened to Kerry's face?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/9/1/1378048589522/John-Kerry-016.jpg

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[Dude!]

BTW, what the fuck happened to Kerry's face?

i know, it is appalling
what's happened to his face

maybe the Syrians hit him
with a huge round of botox gas

[spoon]

age is a bitch

and yeah, powell did come to mind here as well...the difference here is that colin was clearly left out of the know back then, this time you KNOW Kerry has all the info and is playing the game as they want him to

[A.J.]

Yeah, I thought so too. But it may have just been bad makeup this weekend because he looks back to normal on CNN right now.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe he had a batch of bad Ketchup

For a 2 time Jigalo he could go to better plastic surgeons

[spoon]

stop talking

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tell that to Kerry and Hagel. They aren't convincing

[A.J.]

Tell that to Kerry and Hagel. They aren't convincing

They're convincing enough: sad to say.

I can't believe they are falling for this bullshit again. Yes, I can: Israel must protected.

[spoon]

Maybe he had a batch of bad Ketchup

For a 2 time Jigalo he could go to better plastic surgeons

Tell that to Kerry and Hagel. They aren't convincing

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5pqzzdQqh1rrv52p.gif

seriously

just stop talking

it's the only way

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They are falling for it because many of them have defense contractors that they are emboldened to which include their home states

I'm not buying their scheme

[spoon]

Maybe he had a batch of bad Ketchup

For a 2 time Jigalo he could go to better plastic surgeons

Tell that to Kerry and Hagel. They aren't convincing

wow, look at the fucking detective here

what insight!

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Quit being a Dick.., Tracy !!!

[spoon]

Quit being a Dick.., Tracy !!!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50ucdAwah1rx20w7o1_500.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Enough of the thank you for showing up at the hearings comments and fawning over Kerry, Dempsey and Hagel. Ask the fucking question and move on. These hack senators with their fucking theatrics!!!!

[spoon]

yeah, you of all people should be pissed about posturing and theatrics right!?

these silly politicians being political and it's so surprising huh?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't have a vote to authorize force.

I have not mismanaged trillions of dollars

See the difference?

[spoon]

nope

i still see an idiot that won't shut the fuck up...pretty similar to me

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Turn your TV off

[spoon]

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/parkssnubgifs-damnmouth.gif

[Dude!]

Turn your TV off

i love how you outclass
Bosley Sperling
on every exchange!

he is so out of his league...

[SonOfSmeagol]

the real boss of Syria?

"Him? Ha! I just have to remind him, from time to time, that 'happy wife = happy life' and he does what I fucking say."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/01/102618864.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What an old tired gasbag McCain is. The man who wants to bomb every country on the planet acts like a 15 year old during a Senate hearing


http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkantrowitz/2013/09/03/john-mccain-unapologetic-after-playing-iphone-poker-during-syria-hearing/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Now Barack is back peddling even more stating today that it is the worlds redline that has been crossed

Yup Barack you have a huge coalition and a UN mandate. What a fucking rank amateur he is and once again it shows he's over his head.

[SonOfSmeagol]

O today put the credibility of the world and the credibility of the congress at stake over Syria - I can kind of understand him doing that because he's playing world politics for his agenda

However, what was really annoying is that he went out his way to say that his credibility isn't at stake

c'mon, man

[A.J.]

O today put the credibility of the world and the credibility of the congress at stake over Syria - I can kind of understand him doing that because he's playing world politics for his agenda

However, what was really annoying is that he went out his way to say that his credibility isn't at stake

c'mon, man

And this is the bullshit of his argument. For 2 years, thousands of people were killed in Syria, thousands of refugees fled and the world did nothing.

So now that the method of killing has changed, the world must now act. Fine -- let some other country/countries around the world step up. We've been a little busy for the past decade.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And this is the bullshit of his argument. For 2 years, thousands of people were killed in Syria, thousands of refugees fled and the world did nothing.

So now that the method of killing has changed, the world must now act. Fine -- let some other country/countries around the world step up. We've been a little busy for the past decade.




The Arab league are major proponents of attacking Syria. Let Riyadh get some countries together if they want to intervene. They won't because of what could be a reaction from Tehran

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1237670_595545253817290_113150560_n.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yup the economy is booming

169,000 jobs added. They are cracking open the champagne but as usual it's the same trend. Labor participation rate is dismal and more people are giving up

[Syd]

https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1237670_595545253817290_113150560_n.jpg

Lost in the nuance of the propaganda machine, Obama was the reason America had stayed uninvolved for so long in Syria.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

June and July jobs numbers revised down



Barack needs more time.


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Syd]

June and July jobs numbers revised down



Barack needs more time.


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Well, American workers only claim 58% of the national income down from 64% in 1979.

Barack definitely needs more time -- with a bit more work we can get that down to 50% or less!

[foodcourtdruide]

Well, American workers only claim 58% of the national income down from 64% in 1979.

Barack definitely needs more time -- with a bit more work we can get that down to 50% or less!

Hey Syd, that's a pretty interesting statistic. I have never thought about that before. Do you have any article, or any more info on it? (not attempting to be a jerk, seriously just curious)

[Bob Impact]

Hey Syd, that's a pretty interesting statistic. I have never thought about that before. Do you have any article, or any more info on it? (not attempting to be a jerk, seriously just curious)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

[foodcourtdruide]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

Thanks Bob, and man.. is that depressing.

[Dude!]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

interesting to note
that ALL 5 of the highest-income
counties in the country are
federal government-dependent

high-paid lazy govt. employees
confiscating our money to do little...
it's no wonder everyone else's income
is shrinking

[foodcourtdruide]

interesting to note
that ALL 5 of the highest-income
counties in the country are
federal government-dependent

high-paid lazy govt. employees
confiscating our money to do little...
it's no wonder everyone else's income
is shrinking

Yes, blame the millions of people sharing the small percentage of the pie, as opposed to the FOUR-HUNDRED that own FIFTY PERCENT of the countries net wealth.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1235020_596739777031171_843101692_n.jpg

[A.J.]

Lost in the nuance of the propaganda machine, Obama was the reason America had stayed uninvolved for so long in Syria.

During which time he could have acted, and it actually might have made a difference.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If the vote was today, the house would kill it according to various sources.


Not buying it. Obamacare was rumored to go down in flames. John Roberts made sure that didn't happen. There were some predictions from Dick Morris and Rove saying Obama would lose via landslide. I would not be surprised if Barack gets what he wants again with Syria.

Barack is going all out with the hard sell Monday by being interviewed by major network anchors and Tuesday giving an Oval office speech.

[Syd]

Hey Syd, that's a pretty interesting statistic. I have never thought about that before. Do you have any article, or any more info on it? (not attempting to be a jerk, seriously just curious)

http://www.demos.org/blog/9/5/13/how-decline-american-unions-has-boosted-corporate-profits-and-reduced-worker-compensatio

Since people voluntarily forfeit a lot of their power in selling their labor, America as a whole has walked away from nearly $5,000 a year extra.

Say what you will about unions but American workers don't even attempt to sell their labor to the highest bidder, nor do they attempt to strengthen their negotiating position by pooling their labor together. Meanwhile, corporations are selling their product to the highest bidder and they're continually attempting to strengthen their negotiating position.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is Barack losing it? He's calling the Congressional Black and Hispanic caucus to lobby them like its some sort of domestic social program. There is overwhelming support for no intervention.

He's got Hillary coming to DC to arm twist as well

[foodcourtdruide]

http://www.demos.org/blog/9/5/13/how-decline-american-unions-has-boosted-corporate-profits-and-reduced-worker-compensatio

Since people voluntarily forfeit a lot of their power in selling their labor, America as a whole has walked away from nearly $5,000 a year extra.

Say what you will about unions but American workers don't even attempt to sell their labor to the highest bidder, nor do they attempt to strengthen their negotiating position by pooling their labor together. Meanwhile, corporations are selling their product to the highest bidder and they're continually attempting to strengthen their negotiating position.

And what's bizarre to me is that many Americans are ANGRY at those that do. For example, many people react to stories about wages in private industry vs wages in government as "government workers are making too much, they should be paid less" instead of "private industry is paying workers too little, they should be paid more."

[A.J.]

He's got Hillary coming to DC to arm twist as well

To quote her on how the Syrians were killed: "What difference does it make?"

[spoon]

To quote her on how the Syrians were killed: "What difference does it make?"

wasn't that your argument?

[A.J.]

Yeah, but I like the irony of that line of hers.

[spoon]

i know, just bustin yer ballz...joke's on D!

[SonOfSmeagol]

KERRY: "He could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week. Turn it over, all of it, without delay, and allow a full and total accounting for that".
He quickly seemed to shoot down his own idea, adding: "But he isn't about to do it, and it can't be done, obviously."

I hope this actually works. it does makes so much sense to ALL the parties involved

If it does, just watch the O Admin claim that this "was an option we've have been seriously exploring all along, obviously." :laugh:

[SonOfSmeagol]

Yes, blame the millions of people sharing the small percentage of the pie, as opposed to the FOUR-HUNDRED that own FIFTY PERCENT of the countries net wealth.

so do you blame the 400? I assume you're talking about the Forbes 400? If it is the F 400 then I believe like 3/4 of them are self-made. What would you do specifically to have them keep less of their net wealth? What % of the "pie" did they take from others? Its seems to me they created their own pies...or learned how to bake. Who or what is holding you back, maaaan?

[foodcourtdruide]

so do you blame the 400? I assume you're talking about the Forbes 400? If it is the F 400 then I believe like 3/4 of them are self-made. What would you do specifically to have them keep less of their net wealth? What % of the "pie" did they take from others? Its seems to me they created their own pies...or learned how to bake. Who or what is holding you back, maaaan?

My comment was in reference to dude's post, specifically:

"high-paid lazy govt. employees
confiscating our money to do little...
it's no wonder everyone else's income
is shrinking"

I find it strange that people like him (and I'm guessing you) will sooner blame the majority that receive a smaller share of the income than the minority (400 people!) that receive a larger share of the income.

Why do you feel the need to defend the wealth of the extreme rich, but not the working class?

[Syd]

What % of the "pie" did they take from others? ?

http://i.imgur.com/FpTo2GX.jpg

[foodcourtdruide]

http://i.imgur.com/FpTo2GX.jpg

Wealth is not infinite. I don't understand why people believe the government taxing them is somehow more infringement on their individual wealth than someone else possessing $40 billion. There is a finite amount of wealth, and they own a significant portion of it, which means you cannot. Who cares how/why/when/where they got it?

[SonOfSmeagol]

My comment was in reference to dude's post, specifically:

"high-paid lazy govt. employees
confiscating our money to do little...
it's no wonder everyone else's income
is shrinking"

I find it strange that people like him (and I'm guessing you) will sooner blame the majority that receive a smaller share of the income than the minority (400 people!) that receive a larger share of the income.

Why do you feel the need to defend the wealth of the extreme rich, but not the working class?

I didn't blame anyone, you did. You blamed the evil 400. And I asked you:

What would you do specifically to have the 400 keep less of their net wealth?
What % of the "pie" did they take from others?

and it's not income, it's net wealth. do you even know where you got your own quote?

Wealth is not infinite. I don't understand why people believe the government taxing them is somehow more infringement on their individual wealth than someone else possessing $40 billion. There is a finite amount of wealth, and they own a significant portion of it, which means you cannot. Who cares how/why/when/where they got it?

the finite pie? like the one zuckerberg, for example, took from?

and, ah, I see, tax them big time is one of your answers - ok - how much then, specifically?

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://i.imgur.com/FpTo2GX.jpg

you've posted that before. still cracks me up :laugh:

[Syd]

you've posted that before. still cracks me up :laugh:

proletarier aller länder vereinigt euch

[SonOfSmeagol]

proletarier aller länder vereinigt euch

c'mon already, stop yappin and just do it! :dry:

[spoon]

I didn't blame anyone, you did. You blamed the evil 400. And I asked you:

What would you do specifically to have the 400 keep less of their net wealth?
What % of the "pie" did they take from others?

and it's not income, it's net wealth. do you even know where you got your own quote?



the finite pie? like the one zuckerberg, for example, took from?

and, ah, I see, tax them big time is one of your answers - ok - how much then, specifically?

yes, zuckerberg...great example

ha

[SonOfSmeagol]

yes, zuckerberg...great example

ha

ha

why not? he's worth 13B, from nothing. you?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/7648_10153293385375019_1025134141_n.jpg

[Syd]

Anyone remember back when the President didn't have to tell white America why he was going to bomb a country in the Middle East with chemical weapons and a nuclear reactor?

Ah, the good ol' days. I can't wait for them again in a few years.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In a few years you'll get to see a white woman president spew propaganda to get us involved in another country in the mid east

[Dude!]

wow, crazy fox Putin
sure has taken
the boy wonder to the cleaners.

look for obama to start his speech tonight:
"Vee believe peace is at hand."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

wow, crazy fox Putin
sure has taken
the boy wonder to the cleaners.

look for obama to start his speech tonight:
"Vee believe peace is at hand."


His sycophants will twist spin and turn it to look like their hero came up with the plan

[A.J.]

Anyone remember back when the President didn't have to tell white America why he was going to bomb a country in the Middle East with chemical weapons and a nuclear reactor?

Ah, the good ol' days. I can't wait for them again in a few years.

Is he going to tell them on White Entertainment Television?

[Syd]

I'm sure it will be televised on Fox News, G4TV may be a stretch

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is he going to tell them on White Entertainment Television?

Bravo is branching out to politics ?

[SonOfSmeagol]

Putin kinda gives the US a bitch slap in nyt op-ed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hey at least he wasn't a rodeo clown


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/obama-mask-bank-robber-687432

[Syd]

putin sounds mighty goddamn desperate to keep a naval base past the bosphorus and dardanelles open, surprised he didn't just up and say it

[SonOfSmeagol]

putin sounds mighty goddamn desperate to keep a naval base past the bosphorus and dardanelles open, surprised he didn't just up and say it

:laugh:

only the heartiest of obamaphiles would characterize putin as "mighty goddamn desperate" in any way, shape, or form

[Syd]

considering the threat to gazprom and the black sea fleet, yes, russia is pretty desperate

[SonOfSmeagol]

considering the threat to gazprom and the black sea fleet, yes, russia is pretty desperate

laughable, really, since russia seemingly now holds all the cards on the US-Syria foreign policy and apparently has all along

[Syd]

laughable, really, since russia seemingly now holds all the cards on the US-Syria foreign policy and apparently has all along

because syria is far more important to russia than it is to america

Syria is the port the russian black sea fleet operates out of, Syria is the country that prevents as much natural gas from being exported in the region and Syria is the lone country friendly toward Russia in the region.

For all the people cheering Putin, this is the same as cheering Obama for preventing anyone from attacking Panama during a civil war (that Russia started)

not every US sponsored coup can be a brazil or chile

[A.J.]

For all the people cheering Putin, this is the same as cheering Obama for preventing anyone from attacking Panama during a civil war (that Russia started)

Thanks for giving away the Canal Jimmy Carter.

[SonOfSmeagol]

because syria is far more important to russia than it is to america
...
For all the people cheering Putin, this is the same as cheering Obama for preventing anyone from attacking Panama during a civil war (that Russia started)

but that's not the reason we are where we are today - left with nothing really but an increasingly hollow threat of force. hell, with what has transpired recently and what's likely to occur in the near future russia may just say go ahead and say shoot your fucking missles or shut up already

no one here is cheering putin, merely pointing out the facts of the situation. Hopefully this CAN be solved with no more loss of life. But the fact remains that O and his team really cocked this up. And there needs to be more introspection, not deflection, to solve whatever it is that's wrong with the US approach, because this is serious shit

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tom Corbett governor of PA just couldn't resist the temptation and now PA signs on to expand Medicaid

[epo]

Tom Corbett governor of PA just couldn't resist the temptation and now PA signs on to expand Medicaid

Damn that logic of covering the working poor!

How dare he! Politics are more important that people!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Damn that logic of covering the working poor!

How dare he! Politics are more important that people!



He could implement Corbett Care and go at it via state level like Mitt Did

I have no objection if a state wants to do that or go to single payer. I know that is being discussed in Vermont

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Larry Summers withdraws from Fed Chairman race.

Geithner was mentioned as being a potential nominee but he wants no part of it. Whoever it is next, should welcome an audit. That's if it doesn't get killed in the Senate

[Dude!]

you know, it just occurred to me
that Kerry may have taken State
thinking he would do some great thing
and then run for president again in 2016

so far, plan not working

although Hillary did have a hand
in those people being killed
in Benghazi
and then the cover-up and lies
so who knows.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you know, it just occurred to me
that Kerry may have taken State
thinking he would do some great thing
and then run for president again in 2016

so far, plan not working

although Hillary did have a hand
in those people being killed
in Benghazi
and then the cover-up and lies
so who knows.

Its going to put Barack in a real jam if Joe decides to run for the millionth time. Who does he back ?

[spoon]

He could implement Corbett Care and go at it via state level like Mitt Did

I have no objection if a state wants to do that or go to single payer. I know that is being discussed in Vermont

bc you're an idiot and an over the top state's rights fuck

[spoon]

Its going to put Barack in a real jam if Joe decides to run for the millionth time. Who does he back ?

oh I'm sure that's his concern right now...completely top of mind

[SonOfSmeagol]

oh I'm sure that's his concern right now...completely top of mind

I'm sure it's top of Joe's mind, since he managed to avoid a hearty gomp of russian dick, unlike the others :laugh:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

bc you're an idiot and an over the top state's rights fuck




So now you're against single payer ?

[spoon]

am i?

[A.J.]

you know, it just occurred to me
that Kerry may have taken State
thinking he would do some great thing
and then run for president again in 2016

so far, plan not working

although Hillary did have a hand
in those people being killed
in Benghazi
and then the cover-up and lies
so who knows.

Kerry, Biden and Hillary: three 70-year olds (well, Hillary will be 69).

And here I thought the GOP only ran old white guys...

[SonOfSmeagol]

uncanny resemblance (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/putin-dog-photo-looks-like-russia.html)

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/19/19-putin-dog.o.jpg/a_560x375.jpg

[PapaBear]

Nonsense! Putin would never wear a white tie.

[Syd]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/a-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words.html

taxes need to be lower to create job

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/a-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words.html

taxes need to be lower to create job

A Picture Is Worth a Thousand Words

just a few will do it: "any jackoff with data and excel can make a totally meaningless graph"

[spoon]

right, you dismissed it so well

pictures are never of value...especially any graph or excel based look

all are meaningless

[SonOfSmeagol]

right, you dismissed it so well

pictures are never of value...especially any graph or excel based look

all are meaningless

well, no. no one said that. that graph in particular is foolish because it portrays two wholly unrelated data sets on a double y axis - there's nothing to it but a visual joke. it's a "fool's graph" :laugh:

[Syd]

just a few will do it: "any jackoff with data and excel can make a totally meaningless graph"

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

here it is in text format!

[Syd]

well, no. no one said that. that graph in particular is foolish because it portrays two wholly unrelated data sets on a double y axis - there's nothing to it but a visual joke. it's a "fool's graph" :laugh:

it's not a fool's graph, it shows that worker compensation doesn't trend with productivity

[spoon]

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

here it is in text format!

ha, nice!

and here I'll add this so SOS can understand in his native language

:lol:

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
here it is in text format!

ha, nice!
and here I'll add this so SOS can understand in his native language:lol:
no one here is disputing the data. As I said, it's the ridiculous use of that data on a double y axis graph. Any reasonably smart high-schooler can see that it has zero scientific value.

Rather, it looks like it's intended to tug at the heartstrings of internet hamsters. You do your own selves a disservice by not scratching beneath the surface of such internet visual trash, instead you latch onto it like a dog on a bone and defend and propagate it. sad

As I said at the top: "any jackoff with data and excel can make a totally meaningless graph"

and that, is that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another loss for Obama


Egypt bans the Brotherhood.

[epo]

Another loss for Obama


Egypt bans the Brotherhood.

Cuz Obummer is a Muslim.

Git R Done!

[Recyclerz]

Here's the logical conclusion to the Randian/Libertarian philosphy espoused by so many on here. (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/99-owe-debt-gratitude-1-harry-binswanger-153327379.html)

Colbert better not rest too easy now that he picked up another Emmy. This guy could easily fill in for him and get just as many laughs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cuz Obummer is a Muslim.

Git R Done!


Nope bad try

[Syd]

no one here is disputing the data. As I said, it's the ridiculous use of that data on a double y axis graph. Any reasonably smart high-schooler can see that it has zero scientific value.

Rather, it looks like it's intended to tug at the heartstrings of internet hamsters. You do your own selves a disservice by not scratching beneath the surface of such internet visual trash, instead you latch onto it like a dog on a bone and defend and propagate it. sad

As I said at the top: "any jackoff with data and excel can make a totally meaningless graph"

and that, is that

It shows that productivity and worker compensation move in opposite directions.

[SonOfSmeagol]

It shows that productivity and worker compensation move in opposite directions.

no man, those items don't represent productivity or worker compensation at all

[Syd]

well, most economists would disagree with you so I am sure you're right

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who is writing Baracks speeches. He went to the floor of the UN and claimed that the US empire existed before he was president but not currently


Is he doing coke again? What an amateur

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kerry signs UN small arms treaty while arming Al Qaeda

[JimBeam]

I know it's been bounced around on political lines the fact that Congress and some other groups are being excluded from Obamacare but what is the rationale on that ?

What excuse is being made for that ?

[Jujubees2]

I know it's been bounced around on political lines the fact that Congress and some other groups are being excluded from Obamacare but what is the rationale on that ?

What excuse is being made for that ?

Obamacare: Your 12 biggest questions answered (http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/pf/obamacare-insurance.moneymag/index.html)

[Jujubees2]

I know it's been bounced around on political lines the fact that Congress and some other groups are being excluded from Obamacare but what is the rationale on that ?

What excuse is being made for that ?

Top 16 myths about the health care law (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/sep/24/top-16-myths-about-health-care-law/)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

With days until the exchanges open, Barack has to parade out his dad Bill to explain it?

[Syd]

well, yeah, look at the top 16 myths

[jennysmurf]

well, yeah, look at the top 16 myths

Syd, you need an avatar. Let me get one for you. I got a great one for SonofSmeagol. :happy:

[spoon]

Who is writing Baracks speeches. He went to the floor of the UN and claimed that the US empire existed before he was president but not currently


Is he doing coke again? What an amateur

your answer for ANYTHING he does, says or signs

bottom line is you're fucking redundant at best and pathetic in reality

just stop

[spoon]

With days until the exchanges open, Barack has to parade out his dad Bill to explain it?

nah, he should just let the opposition tarnish it at every turn and keep the info from those it would help right!?

wtf man?

you disagree with it fine, but do you honestly think they won't try to make it successful?!

what fucking planet are you from?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

your answer for ANYTHING he does, says or signs

bottom line is you're fucking redundant at best and pathetic in reality

just stop

When Barack quits embarrassing himself on the world stage, I'll stop

[WRESTLINGFAN]

nah, he should just let the opposition tarnish it at every turn and keep the info from those it would help right!?

wtf man?

you disagree with it fine, but do you honestly think they won't try to make it successful?!

what fucking planet are you from?

Why the fuck didn't he parade all the supporters of the bill go out there and sell it when it was passed or maybe at least a year ago?

The stupid ass waits for the end of September of the year the exchanges open

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Guess the new president of Iran doesn't want any part of meeting Barack.

[A.J.]

Guess the new president of Iran doesn't want any part of meeting Barack.

It's too bad. BUT, the fact that nuclear talks will take place means that it may yet be possible.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's too bad. BUT, the fact that nuclear talks will take place means that it may yet be possible.



I'm all for talks and the new president is much more moderate than Ahmedinijad but doesn't The Supreme leader still call the shots ?

[A.J.]

Maybe but the symbolism would be significant.

[spoon]

Why the fuck didn't he parade all the supporters of the bill go out there and sell it when it was passed or maybe at least a year ago?

The stupid ass waits for the end of September of the year the exchanges open

you just fucking said it, bc it opens in October

and let's not act like there have been efforts to hide it of late too

so yah, pretty fucking stupid right!?

[spoon]

Maybe but the symbolism would be significant.

and cut down the war hawks at the ankles for at least a few months

[foodcourtdruide]

Obamacare: Your 12 biggest questions answered (http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/pf/obamacare-insurance.moneymag/index.html)

The more I read about Obamacare the less I understand the outrage about it. It's really not that drastic of a change, and is just making some logical changes to slightly improve a terrible, terrible system.

Is it perfect? Absolutely not, I'll always fault Obama for not going further and AT LEAST implementing a public option, but to act like this will somehow bankrupt our government is just absurd. It seems like most of the opposition to Obamacare just comes from right-wing talking heads that need something to scream about so they can get air time on the various cable news networks.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you just fucking said it, bc it opens in October

and let's not act like there have been efforts to hide it of late too

so yah, pretty fucking stupid right!?





This piece of shit bill was passed 3 1/2 years ago. He's waiting until now to try to explain it?

Its not like a new soda or menu item at some fast food restaurant. It's a multi trillion dollar program

While I hate this bill, it should have been explained more in detail at least a year ago. He's got pals in the ad business.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and cut down the war hawks at the ankles for at least a few months

The problem is that they wont be silent. As long as there's AIPAC which is a huge lobby, unfortunately any dialogue with Iran probably wont happen.

I'm not for foreign intervention or regime change but if there were to be a Persian Spring it would be beneficial.

A big chunk of the population was born after the revolution and they hate the Theocracy. I've read also in many parts of Israel many of the young do not want war with Iran. Unfortunately the old bulls especially Likkud are still in power

[Syd]

The more I read about Obamacare the less I understand the outrage about it.

The biggest arguments against it are that A) it drastically reduces the power of workers through incentivizing part-time jobs over full-time jobs and B) it re-directs public money to private interests through government mandate, which is only nebulously legal

[spoon]

This piece of shit bill was passed 3 1/2 years ago. He's waiting until now to try to explain it?

Its not like a new soda or menu item at some fast food restaurant. It's a multi trillion dollar program

While I hate this bill, it should have been explained more in detail at least a year ago. He's got pals in the ad business.

:wallbash:

[spoon]

The biggest arguments against it are that A) it drastically reduces the power of workers through incentivizing part-time jobs over full-time jobs and B) it re-directs public money to private interests through government mandate, which is only nebulously legal

the first one can be fixed too

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More Ramblings by Barack again today trying to peddle his Obamacare scheme.

It's like listening to a hobo trying to sell a miracle tonic which is really water and food coloring

[spoon]

sure it is

[foodcourtdruide]

More Ramblings by Barack again today trying to peddle his Obamacare scheme.

It's like listening to a hobo trying to sell a miracle tonic which is really water and food coloring

Do you ever go outside?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He's making all these claims , just like how he peddled his stimulus. That was nothing but a trillion dollar slush fund.

Here's to seeing another Obama failure

[spoon]

GO OUTSIDE!!

The sun isn't a liberal, it's actually pretty conservative despite being a part of the solar power movement.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If there was a possibility of life on the sun , our government would try to invade or send it foreign aid

[SonOfSmeagol]

Syd, you need an avatar. Let me get one for you. I got a great one for SonofSmeagol. :happy:

and it's awesome - thanks Jenny! http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley_thumbs_up.gif

[Syd]

Syd, you need an avatar. Let me get one for you. I got a great one for SonofSmeagol. :happy:

i'm all set now

[SonOfSmeagol]

i'm all set now

Hey Syd, I had to look that guy Durruti up to find out who the hell he is... One account of his death has Durruti killed when a companion's machine pistol went off by mistake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenaventura_Durruti).

dam, what a fuckin bummer, huh man? :innocent: