2012 POTUS and Congress General election off-season thread

[Kevin]

Kennedy IS an ace - in Arizona!



His era was like 4 last year

[razorboy]

His era was like 4 last year

Right. An ace in Arizona.

[Kevin]

Right. An ace in Arizona.

Well he isn't Spanish so he doesn't have to worry about getting carded while coming to the game.

[spoon]

Kennedy IS an ace - in Arizona!

he's definitely the closest thing oddly enough, but hardly a true ace by any standards

he's had one great year, followed by an ok one this year barely above .500 for only the second year of his career

yet indeed the closest thing since wins in zona don't come as easy when backed by the yank's bats in the reg season (Hughes/Joba)

[spoon]

Well he isn't Spanish so he doesn't have to worry about getting carded while coming to the game.

I'm sure the Kennedy surname doesn't help him there though

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well he isn't Spanish so he doesn't have to worry about getting carded while coming to the game.

Spanish people are white.

[Kevin]

Spanish people are white.

What?

[Snoogans]

What?

i think he means people from spain. Not all of them are, so he is wrong, but for the most part they are lighter skinned. think the gasols

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Youre right Snoogans, I was referring to Spaniards


They have much different features than people from Latin America. For the most part they have European features with some being a bit darker due to the Iberian Peninsula being close to Africa. Many people from LatAm have mixed Indian/European aka Mestizo features. Go to some parts of Argentina and many have Italian and German last names, a lot came over from Europe during Fascism/Nazism

Without veering off too far in Brasil they speak a dialect of Portuguese

Gasol looks European to me

[spoon]

Youre right Snoogans, I was referring to Spaniards


They have much different features than people from Latin America. For the most part they have European features with some being a bit darker due to the Iberian Peninsula being close to Africa. Many people from LatAm have mixed Indian/European aka Mestizo features. Go to some parts of Argentina and many have Italian and German last names, a lot came over from Europe during Fascism/Nazism

Without veering off too far in Brasil they speak a dialect of Portuguese

Gasol looks European to me

We got it ass, no need for the ridiculous diatribe on this as Kev just took your word as something else. I'm quite sure he knows the rest.

and that concludes another culture breakdown from our resident who give's a fuck coordinator, WFool

http://static3.fjcdn.com/comments/Bullshit+_4bb509230280ecdd005226352ef48fb2.png

[hanso]

It's getting to this level.

http://listentoleon.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/family-guy-peter-chicken-fighting.jpg

Funny I had this same thought already and was gonna post same thing

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We got it ass, no need for the ridiculous diatribe on this as Kev just took your word as something else. I'm quite sure he knows the rest.

and that concludes another culture breakdown from our resident who give's a fuck coordinator, WFool

http://static3.fjcdn.com/comments/Bullshit+_4bb509230280ecdd005226352ef48fb2.png

Mitt lost by a landslide and he's not going to be president. I would think you and a lot of people here would be happy but it seems like the sentiment is that it wasn't good enough that he lost and got leveled

I'm not going to speculate who you or anyone else voted for. I wanted Obama gone and GJ in but I have a better chance of banging Carrie Ann Inaba


Mitt is a private citizen. Can you at least be happy about that? Cheer up :smile:

[spoon]

your assumptions still suck, and mitt has done plenty of damage as a private citizen over time too

an election is just that, an election

it's policy and the enactment of said policy that is needed to help alleviate so many of our issues currently

and I'd love to see the super pac money gone asap so we don't see another 2012 election bullshit

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mitt is no Angel


However Obama has done much damage in public office. When I saw those jubilant people on TV tuesday night at the Victory celebration on TV I witnessed a lot people who probably know nothing about the patriot act and NDAA. No idea about the continued failure in Afghanistan. Ignorance on QE3 , an ignorance of declining personal wealth for the average family by over $4000


To say that the GOP relies on low information voters is very true, However the Obama campaign relied on the same and did a masterful job of getting 332 EV's


Now the top 10 states by education belongs to the democrats. However if someone has a degree in Lesbian Poetry and doesnt know what the federal reserve is or what QE3 is, then what good is that degree in regards to the overall state of the nation?

[Melk]

Mitt lost by a landslide and he's not going to be president. I would think you and a lot of people here would be happy but it seems like the sentiment is that it wasn't good enough that he lost and got leveled
For the past 24 months, the media has spent a lot of time explaining how Obama's administration was essentially unable to pass policy because not only was congress and the house actively working against it but also that the American people were also against his policy. The press pushed an agenda that silenced the majority in favor of the loudest members of our society.

The truth is that the U.S. public was against the conservative policies that were given the lion-share of the media's attention. People may have misgivings about the Affordable Care Act, but they also think there should be an affordable alternative to employer-subsidized health insurance. The growing immigrant populations generally don't believe in the narrative of the lone individual who pulls himself up by the bootstraps and makes something of himself. Now that the people who support Obama realize they are in the majority, they are going to fight against they people they previously thought had outnumbered them.

I live in the area of Illinois where Tammy Duckworth defeated the radical Joe Walsh for control of the 8th district. If you looked around the 8th district before the election the Joe Walsh signage outnumbered Tammy Duckworth signage almost 20 to 1. Even with the polls showing Duckworth in the lead it was difficult for Democrats like me to believe that she could take the election.

As I drove around the Chicago area, the signage for Mitt Romney was everywhere. The Obama stickers and t-shirts that were ubiquitous 4 years ago were gone.

The thing that these past four years has taught me is that liberals have the integrity to hit the streets when they are dissatisfied with their president. On the other hand the conservatives, who took a nap for eight years while George Jr. wrecked the government's budget surplus through wrong-headed tax breaks and our international reputation by starting wars that the majority of the international community (not just the UN veto states) thought were built on a platform of nonsense, hit the streets only after the black guy got into the White House.

Now that the smoke has cleared, we are going to hit the streets to make certain that we can get the most out of the guy we elected. Many of us had to bite our tongues for two years. Forgive us for returning fire.

[spoon]

Mitt is no Angel


However Obama has done much damage in public office. When I saw those jubilant people on TV tuesday night at the Victory celebration on TV I witnessed a lot people who probably know nothing about the patriot act and NDAA. No idea about the continued failure in Afghanistan. Ignorance on QE3 , an ignorance of declining personal wealth for the average family by over $4000


To say that the GOP relies on low information voters is very true, However the Obama campaign relied on the same and did a masterful job of getting 332 EV's


Now the top 10 states by education belongs to the democrats. However if someone has a degree in Lesbian Poetry and doesnt know what the federal reserve is or what QE3 is, then what good is that degree in regards to the overall state of the nation?

Lesbian potery huh? You see why nobody takes you seriously and questions your character and intentions? Come on WF, it's time to change your name to WTF.

People, like myself, aren't all in on actually blaming Obama for everything you do, like personal wealth and the economy no matter how much you like to rail against him for it. He didn't start this recession, any war and has to dig out and make changes that actually get implemented before we attack him for any of this. Even the shit he did get through, most hasn't either been implemented yet, or hasn't had much time to take effect overall.

The Afgan war and Lybia are nothing more than fucking bullshit talking points for the right and you keep both alive. We're on our way out, helped Lybia the right way in their revolt and the loss of life there was tragic but let's stop acting like it's Obama's fault and shut the fuck up. It's CLEARLY not resonating outside of the GOP circles bc people are rational, but why would this be any different than the polls on the election for the emperor has no clothes party. And even though I hate the pat act and ndaa, I can't solely blame him at this point unless he continues these policies in the second term. I fully expect many things to be different this term, but we'll see.

And your dumb voter breakdown is more bullshit spewed from your ass you call a mouth.

[spoon]

For the past 24 months, the media has spent a lot of time explaining how Obama's administration was essentially unable to pass policy because not only was congress and the house actively working against it but also that the American people were also against his policy. The press pushed an agenda that silenced the majority in favor of the loudest members of our society.

The truth is that the U.S. public was against the conservative policies that were given the lion-share of the media's attention. People may have misgivings about the Affordable Care Act, but they also think there should be an affordable alternative to employer-subsidized health insurance. The growing immigrant populations generally don't believe in the narrative of the lone individual who pulls himself up by the bootstraps and makes something of himself. Now that the people who support Obama realize they are in the majority, they are going to fight against they people they previously thought had outnumbered them.

I live in the area of Illinois where Tammy Duckworth defeated the radical Joe Walsh for control of the 8th district. If you looked around the 8th district before the election the Joe Walsh signage outnumbered Tammy Duckworth signage almost 20 to 1. Even with the polls showing Duckworth in the lead it was difficult for Democrats like me to believe that she could take the election.

As I drove around the Chicago area, the signage for Mitt Romney was everywhere. The Obama stickers and t-shirts that were ubiquitous 4 years ago were gone.

The thing that these past four years has taught me is that liberals have the integrity to hit the streets when they are dissatisfied with their president. On the other hand the conservatives, who took a nap for eight years while George Jr. wrecked the government's budget surplus through wrong-headed tax breaks and our international reputation by starting wars that the majority of the international community (not just the UN veto states) thought were built on a platform of nonsense, hit the streets only after the black guy got into the White House.

Now that the smoke has cleared, we are going to hit the streets to make certain that we can get the most out of the guy we elected. Many of us had to bite our tongues for two years. Forgive us for returning fire.

Very solid rundown, and I agree on most. The key difference I see is Obama care was more desired at the start of the debate and before it was put into place, and to be honest most wanted more aggressive changes and a public option. It was the noise to bad mouth this plan since day one and the meticulous breakdown of it day by day that the Dems seemingly just allowed and eventually it became less popular based on bullshit breakdowns alone.

The GOP is very good at getting people to vote against their own best interest, and the dems are pussies when fighting for their causes bc they constantly worry about their next election. Have views, stick to them and be fucking LOUD about them bc they are true and good for the majority. I'm so sick of the dems being pushovers when they are on the correct side of a policy debate or vote.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lesbian potery huh? You see why nobody takes you seriously and questions your character and intentions? Come on WF, it's time to change your name to WTF.

People, like myself, aren't all in on actually blaming Obama for everything you do, like personal wealth and the economy no matter how much you like to rail against him for it. He didn't start this recession, any war and has to dig out and make changes that actually get implemented before we attack him for any of this. Even the shit he did get through, most hasn't either been implemented yet, or hasn't had much time to take effect overall.

The Afgan war and Lybia are nothing more than fucking bullshit talking points for the right and you keep both alive. We're on our way out, helped Lybia the right way in their revolt and the loss of life there was tragic but let's stop acting like it's Obama's fault and shut the fuck up. It's CLEARLY not resonating outside of the GOP circles bc people are rational, but why would this be any different than the polls on the election for the emperor has no clothes party. And even though I hate the pat act and ndaa, I can't solely blame him at this point unless he continues these policies in the second term. I fully expect many things to be different this term, but we'll see.

And your dumb voter breakdown is more bullshit spewed from your ass you call a mouth.



Kevin makes a comment about the looks of Romneys sister and you say nothing about it. Way to show your one sidedness hack!!!

Afghanistan isn't just some talking point . Our military has taken more casualties under this president. 2 Billion is spent each week for what?


Bin Laden lured this country into the Muslim world and as a result trillions have been spent there and hundreds of billions spent domestically just to give us some false sense of security and whatever talking points Obama says about Al Qaeda being decimated is laughable


In regards to asses to mouth and fecal matter. Spare us your details of the scat parties you attend

[spoon]

Kevin makes a comment about the looks of Romneys sister and you say nothing about it. Way to show your one sidedness hack!!!

Afghanistan isn't just some talking point . Our military has taken more casualties under this president. 2 Billion is spent each week for what?


Bin Laden lured this country into the Muslim world and as a result trillions have been spent there and hundreds of billions spent domestically just to give us some false sense of security and whatever talking points Obama says about Al Qaeda being decimated is laughable


In regards to asses to mouth and fecal matter. Spare us your details of the scat parties you attend

kevin isn't constantly showing his hate for groups that aren't like him as you have

that's the difference you fuck, try to follow along in between making backhanded sexist, racists and anti-gay remarks in points on voting and god damn taxes...you simply can't help yourself

and a joke about someone's looks isn't different at all right? mud huts, lesbian pottery and an ugly stick...all one in the same huh?

as for Afghanistan, again, not his war even if he stepped it up and you just can't tap out instantaneously. the plan is set to leave, stick to it like we had to do in Iraq once there. I didn't agree with that even more, but just pulling out to cause more issues is NOT the answer and you'd love to blame him there if it happened.

scat parties, cute post fuckfool

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For the past 24 months, the media has spent a lot of time explaining how Obama's administration was essentially unable to pass policy because not only was congress and the house actively working against it but also that the American people were also against his policy. The press pushed an agenda that silenced the majority in favor of the loudest members of our society.

The truth is that the U.S. public was against the conservative policies that were given the lion-share of the media's attention. People may have misgivings about the Affordable Care Act, but they also think there should be an affordable alternative to employer-subsidized health insurance. The growing immigrant populations generally don't believe in the narrative of the lone individual who pulls himself up by the bootstraps and makes something of himself. Now that the people who support Obama realize they are in the majority, they are going to fight against they people they previously thought had outnumbered them.

I live in the area of Illinois where Tammy Duckworth defeated the radical Joe Walsh for control of the 8th district. If you looked around the 8th district before the election the Joe Walsh signage outnumbered Tammy Duckworth signage almost 20 to 1. Even with the polls showing Duckworth in the lead it was difficult for Democrats like me to believe that she could take the election.

As I drove around the Chicago area, the signage for Mitt Romney was everywhere. The Obama stickers and t-shirts that were ubiquitous 4 years ago were gone.

The thing that these past four years has taught me is that liberals have the integrity to hit the streets when they are dissatisfied with their president. On the other hand the conservatives, who took a nap for eight years while George Jr. wrecked the government's budget surplus through wrong-headed tax breaks and our international reputation by starting wars that the majority of the international community (not just the UN veto states) thought were built on a platform of nonsense, hit the streets only after the black guy got into the White House.

Now that the smoke has cleared, we are going to hit the streets to make certain that we can get the most out of the guy we elected. Many of us had to bite our tongues for two years. Forgive us for returning fire.

I agree what a lot of what you're saying about the Bush admin policies.


In regards to Duckworth I am not in your district but I remember Walsh making some dick bag comments about Duckworths military service and that might be a factor as well especially her being a combat vet and being a double amputee. Pissing on that service doesn't go well with voters


I think a lot of people who voted for Obama want him to go hard left and many were upset when there was no public option or when he caved into extending the tax rates for 2 years


Now if the rates go up would you believe people will get frustrated if a deal is made in which the threshold is 1 million per year instead of 250k?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

kevin isn't constantly showing his hate for groups that aren't like him as you have

that's the difference you fuck, try to follow along in between making backhanded sexist, racists and anti-gay remarks in points on voting and god damn taxes...you simply can't help yourself

and a joke about someone's looks isn't different at all right? mud huts, lesbian pottery and an ugly stick...all one in the same huh?

as for Afghanistan, again, not his war even if he stepped it up and you just can't tap out instantaneously. the plan is set to leave, stick to it like we had to do in Iraq once there. I didn't agree with that even more, but just pulling out to cause more issues is NOT the answer and you'd love to blame him there if it happened.

scat parties, cute post fuckfool

You constantly try to link me to some fringe groups and you expose your ignorance


How many times must I explain to you my political views?


I'm a libertarian so I dont hate the lgbt community. I don't think they are going to hell and I don't care who they marry.


No kidding. Anyone who thinks we can have our tens of thousands of troops and equipment out by next week is a dope



We are there until 2014 at least. My concern is why we should be there that long was the point I'm trying to make .

[spoon]

You constantly try to link me to some fringe groups and you expose your ignorance


How many times must I explain to you my political views?


I'm a libertarian so I dont hate the lgbt community. I don't think they are going to hell and I don't care who they marry.


No kidding. Anyone who thinks we can have our tens of thousands of troops and equipment out by next week is a dope



We are there until 2014 at least. My concern is why we should be there that long was the point I'm trying to make .

and again, you throw out ignorance at the same time making bullshit attacks passive aggressively with no fucking point behind them at all...complete rips on a people for zero purpose and regardless of what you say your views are, your bullshit leaks on through

I know your "views" PLENTY, but what fringe group am I trying to link you to? Or am I simply calling out your bullshit every time you post verbal diarrhea? Yah, it's the latter. Any ties you have are simply based on your posts and the bullshit in them. You wouldn't be linked to the GOP so much, if your fucking posts didn't link you to their ideology and talking points so much. You wouldn't be mentioned as a bigot if your posts weren't bigoted. You can claim enlightenment all you want, but your overall posts speak much louder than your attempt to cloud the issues with one off retorts later.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and again, you throw out ignorance at the same time making bullshit attacks passive aggressively with no fucking point behind them at all...complete rips on a people for zero purpose and regardless of what you say your views are, your bullshit leaks on through

I know your "views" PLENTY, but what fringe group am I trying to link you to? Or am I simply calling out your bullshit every time you post verbal diarrhea? Yah, it's the latter. Any ties you have are simply based on your posts and the bullshit in them. You wouldn't be linked to the GOP so much, if your fucking posts didn't link you to their ideology and talking points so much. You wouldn't be mentioned as a bigot if your posts weren't bigoted. You can claim enlightenment all you want, but your overall posts speak much louder than your attempt to cloud the issues with one off retorts later.


It's not rips. Ripping into a group would be saying for example calling the lgbt people godless fags and dykes and other words like that



If someone reads my objection to the wars and patriot act and the religious nuts
and thinks I fall in line with the GOP as harsh as it sounds they are either ignorant or just dumb

[spoon]

It's not rips. Ripping into a group would be saying for example calling the lgbt people godless fags and dykes and other words like that



If someone reads my objection to the wars and patriot act and the religious nuts
and thinks I fall in line with the GOP as harsh as it sounds they are either ignorant or just dumb

ooof, and there's your passive attack of the hour for WFool

that's your new tactic too, "It's not like I said _____"!

Just do this WF...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgqj5iv9cv1qczhono1_500.png

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ooof, and there's your passive attack of the hour for WFool

that's your new tactic too, "It's not like I said _____"!

Just do this WF...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgqj5iv9cv1qczhono1_500.png


Can I make it any simpler ? Fuck who you want. Pollute your body with as much shit as you want. Pray to god Allah Gaia or don't believe in anything Just stay out of my wallet and don't use your influence to lobby the Feds to force me to do anything

[spoon]

my point still stands

shut up

[WRESTLINGFAN]

my point still stands

shut up



Your point has no validity towards me

[spoon]

Your point has no validity towards me

This is my take on WF's thought process/brain (the classroom/kids) and 99% of this board's reaction to it (Arnold)!

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

You know what? In a way I wouldn't mind seeing Boehner and McConnell just stepping out of the way and give Obama everything he wants. Fuck it , If Obama comes out and wants to nationalize oil companies, implement full single payer healthcare , put back in the fairness doctrine or whatever else is on his wish list , just agree with everything and when things really go to shit Obama can't blame it on Bush, The GOP , the Yankees , a youtube video or whoever he wants to pass the buck to. Let him own the motherfucker, maybe just maybe people will finally see past his scheme of he's for the average guy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This ones for Epo. I saw that Wisconsin elected the nations 1st openly gay female senator. I think her name is Tammy Baldwin. Whaddya think? Will she be better than Feingold?

[spoon]

You know what? In a way I wouldn't mind seeing Boehner and McConnell just stepping out of the way and give Obama everything he wants. Fuck it , If Obama comes out and wants to nationalize oil companies, implement full single payer healthcare , put back in the fairness doctrine or whatever else is on his wish list , just agree with everything and when things really go to shit Obama can't blame it on Bush, The GOP , the Yankees , a youtube video or whoever he wants to pass the buck to. Let him own the motherfucker, maybe just maybe people will finally see past his scheme of he's for the average guy

again...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh1nk9x8PV1qbqjgao1_500.gif

and there it is..."a youtube video or whoever HE wants to pass the buck to." you finally admitted your witch hunt bullshit...in dumb fashion.

next, nobody wants the power and calls you post...much less believe he's an average guy....and which is it by the way? is he the messiah or an average guy? you can't claim both and put both on the public. he's at least one or the other, but you continue to go with whatever fits your convoluted ideas at the time

you act like even those who back the guy haven't been pissed on the pat act, lack of public option, lack of real bite to wall street reform and so much more. you just simply try to put anything and everything on him regardless of the facts and root causes. there is a huge difference.

And doesn't this WF batshit rant sound familiar!?

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

again...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh1nk9x8PV1qbqjgao1_500.gif

and there it is..."a youtube video or whoever HE wants to pass the buck to." you finally admitted your witch hunt bullshit...in dumb fashion.

next, nobody wants the power and calls you post...much less believe he's an average guy....and which is it by the way? is he the messiah or an average guy? you can't claim both and put both on the public. he's at least one or the other, but you continue to go with whatever fits your convoluted ideas at the time

you act like even those who back the guy haven't been pissed on the pat act, lack of public option, lack of real bite to wall street reform and so much more. you just simply try to put anything and everything on him regardless of the facts and root causes. there is a huge difference.

And doesn't this WF batshit rant sound familiar!?

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Read what I said. Out for the average guy. Meaning its all a rouse. Do you really think He will go to the left of Stalin? If you do, then you are gullible and believe anything.


Many of those who are Democrats still backed Obama. People like Bush and Romney who want more wars and an expanded security state arent getting support from Paul and Johnson. Kucinich who was one of the congressmen who sued the administration for violating the war powers act, still tows the party line. I think he was one of the major proponents of the public option and I recall him saying he wouldnt back the ACA but eventually he fell in line

One of his major agendas is to raise taxes on the top 2%. Please answer this. Would it be a letdown to you if rates went up for people making over 1mm instead of the threshold of 250k?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not a fan of Axelrod however he raised 1mm for Epilepsy , very commendable and will be shaving off the Stache because he was able to reach amount.



A buzzcut would have been better. Thats an awful combover he has

[Dude!]

This ones for Epo. I saw that Wisconsin elected the nations 1st openly gay female senator. I think her name is Tammy Baldwin. Whaddya think? Will she be better than Feingold?

she replaces Herb Kohl
who is also notoriously
homosexual

Feingold wasn't gay,
but he was a jew

Wisconsin votes all kinds
of minorities and sub-groups into
statewide and national offices

except for blacks...
white folks in Wisconsin
won't vote for them

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Darwin got 4000 write in votes last week in GA :thumbup::thumbup:


http://news.yahoo.com/evolutionist-charles-darwin-gets-4-000-write-votes-160159056.html

[A.J.]

In Georgia? That's practically a landslide.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe we should follow Mexico's lead. One and done. Their president is only allowed to serve a 6 year term. In the US usually 2nd terms dont take too kindly to presidents. While the Petraeus scandal doesn't involve Obama directly, It's already a distraction (Even though the 2nd term doesnt officially begin until 1/21)


If it was only a 1 term deal, then the president wouldnt have to take time away to campaign and raise a billion dollars and visit states numerous times. I think Obama went to Ohio at least 20 times.

That would require a constitutional amendment.

[spoon]

Read what I said. Out for the average guy. Meaning its all a rouse. Do you really think He will go to the left of Stalin? If you do, then you are gullible and believe anything.


Many of those who are Democrats still backed Obama. People like Bush and Romney who want more wars and an expanded security state arent getting support from Paul and Johnson. Kucinich who was one of the congressmen who sued the administration for violating the war powers act, still tows the party line. I think he was one of the major proponents of the public option and I recall him saying he wouldnt back the ACA but eventually he fell in line

One of his major agendas is to raise taxes on the top 2%. Please answer this. Would it be a letdown to you if rates went up for people making over 1mm instead of the threshold of 250k?

The only way I'm ok with this is if there is some COLA adjustment out there. As in 250k in most of the country is still taxed higher, but in NYC/SF and other expensive areas that line is driven up by COLA calculations as it should. Living in Kentucky and NJ are NOT the same as 250 is a LOT less out here.

And where the fuck do you come up with your bullshit? Do I really think Obama will be left of Stalin? Where did you even spark this line of thought, and what the fuck do you think? :wallbash:

This is your fucking problem, you argue with hypotheticals you make up yourself!

[spoon]

she replaces Herb Kohl
who is also notoriously
homosexual

Feingold wasn't gay,
but he was a jew

Wisconsin votes all kinds
of minorities and sub-groups into
statewide and national offices

except for blacks...
white folks in Wisconsin
won't vote for them

notoriously homosexual?

and wow man, you just love taking the high road

[spoon]

Maybe we should follow Mexico's lead. One and done. Their president is only allowed to serve a 6 year term. In the US usually 2nd terms dont take too kindly to presidents. While the Petraeus scandal doesn't involve Obama directly, It's already a distraction (Even though the 2nd term doesnt officially begin until 1/21)


If it was only a 1 term deal, then the president wouldnt have to take time away to campaign and raise a billion dollars and visit states numerous times. I think Obama went to Ohio at least 20 times.

That would require a constitutional amendment.

I would say this isn't a bad idea, yet there are issues with it overall. Bottom line is elections/campaigns are out of control, but pacs and spending is the place to start, and at least the Presidential office already does have limits. We need Senate and Congressional limits first.

[epo]

This ones for Epo. I saw that Wisconsin elected the nations 1st openly gay female senator. I think her name is Tammy Baldwin. Whaddya think? Will she be better than Feingold?

I can't think of a more different pair of Senators in the nation than the Baldwin/Johnson combo from Wisconsin.

Personally I like Tammy. She's soft-spoken but really smart. She will like be quiet, yet effective in the mode of Herb Kohl.

Now we await Feingold's potential return in 2016.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I would say this isn't a bad idea, yet there are issues with it overall. Bottom line is elections/campaigns are out of control, but pacs and spending is the place to start, and at least the Presidential office already does have limits. We need Senate and Congressional limits first.

I wouldnt mind 2 terms as a senator and 6 for the house so theres a total of 12 years for each respective chamber


In a swing district, Im sure congressmen and women need to start campaigning more than a year ahead due to their terms of being only 2 years.


Someone in a safe district like Pelosi, Waters dont have to campaign much because they will always get a high percentage of votes.


I know some people say the best way of term limits is voting however that defeats the purpose when people like John Dingell and Charlie Rangel have been in DC for over 40 years

[KnoxHarrington]

I wouldnt mind 2 terms as a senator and 6 for the house so theres a total of 12 years for each respective chamber


In a swing district, Im sure congressmen and women need to start campaigning more than a year ahead due to their terms of being only 2 years.


Someone in a safe district like Pelosi, Waters dont have to campaign much because they will always get a high percentage of votes.


I know some people say the best way of term limits is voting however that defeats the purpose when people like John Dingell and Charlie Rangel have been in DC for over 40 years


A better solution would be reform legislation to get rid of some of the total bullshit gerrymandered districts out there. Those probably ensure re-election of representatives more than any other factor.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Latest scuttlebutt is that Kerry is being tapped for Sec Def, Susan Rice to in lead to be Sec of State.

[Dude!]

Latest scuttlebutt is that Kerry is being tapped for Sec Def, Susan Rice to in lead to be Sec of State.

Susan Rice will not be confirmed
by the Senate for ANYTHING

[Kevin]

Scuttlebutt? REALLY?

[brettmojo]

Scuttlebutt? REALLY?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZS3-tbHtWJk/UH3GRR-TRGI/AAAAAAAAFq4/HgXBY5_b_P8/s1600/scuzzlebutt_157941.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Scuttlebutt? REALLY?

Its another word for rumor. Its Marine lingo

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No wonder shit wont get done until the last minute. Each House is going to reelect its respective minority/majority leaders.

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[El Mudo]

You know what? In a way I wouldn't mind seeing Boehner and McConnell just stepping out of the way and give Obama everything he wants. Fuck it , If Obama comes out and wants to nationalize oil companies, implement full single payer healthcare , put back in the fairness doctrine or whatever else is on his wish list , just agree with everything and when things really go to shit Obama can't blame it on Bush, The GOP , the Yankees , a youtube video or whoever he wants to pass the buck to. Let him own the motherfucker, maybe just maybe people will finally see past his scheme of he's for the average guy

When has Obama advocated/pressed for any of those things? And why would he do that now? The Republicans will just ignore him for two years, because the 2016 stuff starts then and it doesn't matter any more.

That's as bad as the gun people who keep screaming Obama will take away all the firearms, despite no evidence that he would ever do so. BUT HE MIGHT!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

When has Obama advocated/pressed for any of those things? And why would he do that now? The Republicans will just ignore him for two years, because the 2016 stuff starts then and it doesn't matter any more.

That's as bad as the gun people who keep screaming Obama will take away all the firearms, despite no evidence that he would ever do so. BUT HE MIGHT!

I was making a hypothetical situation, Even though he said years ago before he was a US Senator he was a proponent single payer system.

[hanso]

A better solution would be reform legislation to get rid of some of the total bullshit gerrymandered districts out there. Those probably ensure re-election of representatives more than any other factor.

This is why the house still has majority especially when you consider the tea party / extremist / oppositionist and that states that carried Obama kept and even set more of the same.

[epo]

This is why the house still has majority especially when you consider the tea party / extremist / oppositionist and that states that carried Obama kept and even set more of the same.

How easy would it be to create districting via algorithm & google map?. Seriously, lets get the politicians out of the gerrymandering business.

[Furtherman]

This is the most accurate American election map we’ve seen yet (http://io9.com/5960484/this-is-most-accurate-political-election-map-weve-seen-yet)

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/185af1x201c2cjpg/original.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/q03cWio-zjk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This coming from the same woman, saying that Obamacare needed to be passed in order to read it


http://news.yahoo.com/whatever-pelosi-says-she-constitution-confuses-amendments-video-203322312.html

[spoon]

This coming from the same woman, saying that Obamacare needed to be passed in order to read it


http://news.yahoo.com/whatever-pelosi-says-she-constitution-confuses-amendments-video-203322312.html

OH MY GOD!

she's a witch!

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The House has about 180 democrats, they can't pluck someone out to replace her as minority leader?

[spoon]

they didn't just to piss you off

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Allowing Reid Boehner , Cantor and McConnell did as well

[epo]

The House has about 180 democrats, they can't pluck someone out to replace her as minority leader?

Because she raised a fuckton of cash.

[spoon]

and there is lies a huge problem

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A total of over 6 billion dollars got an incompetent re elected as president along with a continued cluster fuck of 535 lawmakers in which most of them are good for getting pork and worrying about their names on post offices.

As usual this fiscal cliff will come down to the last minute and then they will expect to be called heroes at year end.


The post office is facing another multi billion dollar shortfall (something that's actually in the 18 enumerated powers)
However spending 2 billion a week to hand out trinkets to Pashtun children and sip tea with tribal elders only to get shot by their sons take precedence

Throw in about 5 billion combined trying to buy friends in Israel and the Arab Middle east and North Africa

Not to worry, I'm sure Helicopter Ben is devising another round of QE

[Snoogans]

A total of over 6 billion dollars got an incompetent re elected as president along with a continued cluster fuck of 535 lawmakers in which most of them are good for getting pork and worrying about their names on post offices.

As usual this fiscal cliff will come down to the last minute and then they will expect to be called heroes at year end.


The post office is facing another multi billion dollar shortfall (something that's actually in the 18 enumerated powers)
However spending 2 billion a week to hand out trinkets to Pashtun children and sip tea with tribal elders only to get shot by their sons take precedence

Throw in about 5 billion combined trying to buy friends in Israel and the Arab Middle east and North Africa

Not to worry, I'm sure Helicopter Ben is devising another round of QE

ive been reading a bit about this fiscal cliff. Is it really such a bad thing? Taxes would go up to what they were under clinton basically and spending would be greatly reduced. I fail to see the problem

[epo]

A total of over 6 billion dollars got an incompetent re elected as president along with a continued cluster fuck of 535 lawmakers in which most of them are good for getting pork and worrying about their names on post offices.

As usual this fiscal cliff will come down to the last minute and then they will expect to be called heroes at year end.


The post office is facing another multi billion dollar shortfall (something that's actually in the 18 enumerated powers)
However spending 2 billion a week to hand out trinkets to Pashtun children and sip tea with tribal elders only to get shot by their sons take precedence

Throw in about 5 billion combined trying to buy friends in Israel and the Arab Middle east and North Africa

Not to worry, I'm sure Helicopter Ben is devising another round of QE

The post office "problem" is a false problem created by the GOP lame duck in 2006.

[Dude!]

The post office "problem" is a false problem created by the GOP lame duck in 2006.

the Hostess problem
is a real problem
created by the lame dems

[Kevin]

The post office "problem" is a false problem created by the GOP lame duck in 2006.

I find them a problem when they are TO LAZY to deliver my package to my apartment by taking the elevator 3 floors. Instead they leave a stupid slip and I have to go pick it up at the goddamn post office where there is no parking.

[hanso]

The post office "problem" is a false problem created by the GOP lame duck in 2006.

This will never get through their heads.

It needs to be undone to help right the ship. Money had to be set aside for pensions 75 years in advance. Also everything is funded via stamps not at tax payer level.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/07/19/546851/postal-service-default-congres/?mobile=nc

[TripleSkeet]

ive been reading a bit about this fiscal cliff. Is it really such a bad thing? Taxes would go up to what they were under clinton basically and spending would be greatly reduced. I fail to see the problem

Just another GOP scare tactic touting the "end of our country" like all of a sudden we are going to turn into fucking Somalia.

[TripleSkeet]

the Hostess problem
is a real problem
created by the lame dems

I read up on it. Sounds like the Romney business plan to me. Take over a company, jack all the executives salaries, drain every last nickel you can out of the company, then liquidate and blame the unions.

Sounds alot like when Paulie Cicero takes over a restaurant. When theres no more money to be squeezed out, you light a match.

[Furtherman]

I read up on it. Sounds like the Romney business plan to me. Take over a company, jack all the executives salaries, drain every last nickel you can out of the company, then liquidate and blame the unions.

Sounds alot like when Paulie Cicero takes over a restaurant. When theres no more money to be squeezed out, you light a match.


Yep. The truth is executives tripled their pay, and on record already had plans to shut down plants even if the workers conceded to even further cuts in pay and rights. Anyone blaming the unions without looking at the history is a head filled with cream filling. Pathetic.

[keithy_19]

Yep. The truth is executives tripled their pay, and on record already had plans to shut down plants even if the workers conceded to even further cuts in pay and rights. Anyone blaming the unions without looking at the history is a head filled with cream filling. Pathetic.

I'm getting my info from a biased source(s), but wasn't it the baker's union that came in and kind of said "screw off" to the teamsters?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ive been reading a bit about this fiscal cliff. Is it really such a bad thing? Taxes would go up to what they were under clinton basically and spending would be greatly reduced. I fail to see the problem

The thing is that the government never lives up to its end of the deal on spending cuts and sometimes they go the route of , we wont spend as much as we used to instead of saying heres a 15% cut across the board for every bureaucracy


In regards to taxes, I think eventually everyones going to pay up. I simply do not trust these people in DC.

250K to me isnt where the threshold should be. If taxes should be raised make the starting point 1 million.


Now if GJ were elected president we would be having discussions on how to eliminate the income tax and some true cuts to spending.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hostess was a poorly run company having gone thru 2 bankruptcies in the past few years
At least there was no bailout. Those parasites at GM have already sucked us out of tens of billions of dollars and they still havent paid the taxpayers back and still they make shit cars.

Ironic is that pot was legalized in several states but hostess products are no more, Frito lay products are still going strong


I think someone will buy the rights to the Hostess brands.

[KnoxHarrington]

Hostess was a poorly run company having gone thru 2 bankruptcies in the past few years
At least there was no bailout. Those parasites at GM have already sucked us out of tens of billions of dollars and they still havent paid the taxpayers back and still they make shit cars.

Ironic is that pot was legalized in several states but hostess products are no more, Frito lay products are still going strong


I think someone will buy the rights to the Hostess brands.

It appears that the most likely candidate to do that is Bimbo.

A Mexican company.

THEY TOOK OUR TWINKIES

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bimbos love cream filling

I saw on cnbc that another company interested is PBR


Baked goods and beer

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm getting my info from a biased source(s), but wasn't it the baker's union that came in and kind of said "screw off" to the teamsters?

I read where the teamsters agreed to the concessions but the bakers Confectionery, Tobacco and Grain Millers were the ones who called for the strike.


It's not all on the union, Mgmt needs to take accountability for allowing more than 300 different collective bargaining agreements and redundancy like for example bread and cupcakes for example going on separate trucks even though they went to the same destination. Maybe that should have been part of the last bankruptcy. consolidate operations and wages/pensions etc.


It was a mutual downfall.

[sailor]

I read (I think in Philly.com) that the teamsters were de facto crossing the picket lines of the bakers (managers were driving deliveries across the picket lines and then teamsters took over). Really surprised that's not been a bigger story.

[sailor]

...for example bread and cupcakes for example...

For example.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For example.



Fuck!!! I was talking about redundancy and I sounded redundant.


Do I hear new mod quote ?

[spoon]

A total of over 6 billion dollars got an incompetent re elected as president along with a continued cluster fuck of 535 lawmakers in which most of them are good for getting pork and worrying about their names on post offices.

As usual this fiscal cliff will come down to the last minute and then they will expect to be called heroes at year end.


The post office is facing another multi billion dollar shortfall (something that's actually in the 18 enumerated powers)
However spending 2 billion a week to hand out trinkets to Pashtun children and sip tea with tribal elders only to get shot by their sons take precedence

Throw in about 5 billion combined trying to buy friends in Israel and the Arab Middle east and North Africa

Not to worry, I'm sure Helicopter Ben is devising another round of QE

sigh

you simply write like an idiot and can't help yourself...post office bullshit, trinkets to Pashtun children, sip tea, buy friends in Israel and others, and finally helicopter Ben/QE

reading your posts are simply catch phrase, passive aggressive attacks and completely contrived bullshit you parrot time and time again

go back to twitter where that shit works you ass. way to simplify everything to comical levels to fit that fantasy peg into that gaping hole in your fucking head

[spoon]

The thing is that the government never lives up to its end of the deal on spending cuts and sometimes they go the route of , we wont spend as much as we used to instead of saying heres a 15% cut across the board for every bureaucracy


In regards to taxes, I think eventually everyones going to pay up. I simply do not trust these people in DC.

250K to me isnt where the threshold should be. If taxes should be raised make the starting point 1 million.


Now if GJ were elected president we would be having discussions on how to eliminate the income tax and some true cuts to spending.

sure we would magical mystical wonder world director

[spoon]

Hostess was a poorly run company having gone thru 2 bankruptcies in the past few years
At least there was no bailout. Those parasites at GM have already sucked us out of tens of billions of dollars and they still havent paid the taxpayers back and still they make shit cars.

Ironic is that pot was legalized in several states but hostess products are no more, Frito lay products are still going strong


I think someone will buy the rights to the Hostess brands.

Almost exactly said before...SHOCKING! I wonder where it was said you ripoff of shitty jokes fuck?

And on the GM thing, you sound even more foolish every time you post this. You've now found a way to parrot the talking heads when they are biased fools and keep it going so long here that you pretty much own it now. Congrats.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

sigh

you simply write like an idiot and can't help yourself...post office bullshit, trinkets to Pashtun children, sip tea, buy friends in Israel and others, and finally helicopter Ben/QE

reading your posts are simply catch phrase, passive aggressive attacks and completely contrived bullshit you parrot time and time again

go back to twitter where that shit works you ass. way to simplify everything to comical levels to fit that comical peg into that gaping hole in your fucking head

Reading my post gives you another perspective rather than the headlines spoonfed to you to swallow and take at face value

Why not simplify things and have real cuts instead of having more layers of useless bureaucrats and a bigger clusterfuck when government misimanages everything


What is it with you and your petty trolling? Now If I just parroted the lines of the dopes of dont cut the military spending and lets stay in Muslim countries forever you it would merit outrage

[WRESTLINGFAN]

sure we would magical mystical wonder world director

Your elected and appointed world directors arent doing such a fabulous job


What is it to you that I mock these politcians , appointees etc? I don't look up to them Theyre not better than me. Do you look up to them as role models or as people better than you?


They go around shaking people down for money and claim that they are so concerned meanwhile they live in opulence and dont give a shit about you or your life

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Almost exactly said before...SHOCKING! I wonder where it was said you ripoff of shitty jokes fuck?

And on the GM thing, you sound even more foolish every time you post this. You've now found a way to parrot the talking heads when they are biased fools and keep it going so long here that you pretty much own it now. Congrats.





GM is alive was one of the fucking bullshit parroted lines at the DNC. Too bad I don't have one of those Bill Maher bubbles to put you into. You have no comprehension on how the Auto bailouts were just one giant gift and was not a success. Its a multi bullion dollar loss and antithesis to bankruptcy laws but it makes you feel all fuzzy that some fat schlub in Ohio who's pension we are subsidizing. is making cars that people dont want and sales are due to fleet purchases by the federal government.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Boehner is going to get walked all over. Instead of telling Obama he wants the cuts in black and white he will get some scheme of cutting proposed spending.

Then he's going to tell the nation that there will be those cuts meanwhile Obama makes him look foolish.


Over 200 House members and some fake tanned chain smoker will most likely be 2nd in line to the presidency again

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/speaker.htm


"The Constitution does not require that the Speaker be an elected Member of Congress. No non-member has ever been elected Speaker."


They GOP Could change that. Calling Gary Johnson this is for you.

[spoon]

Reading my post gives you another perspective rather than the headlines spoonfed to you to swallow and take at face value

Why not simplify things and have real cuts instead of having more layers of useless bureaucrats and a bigger clusterfuck when government misimanages everything


What is it with you and your petty trolling? Now If I just parroted the lines of the dopes of dont cut the military spending and lets stay in Muslim countries forever you it would merit outrage

petty posts get the respect they deserve

and you I know you are but what am I "spoonfed" take is HILARIOUS...simply outstanding douchebaggery coming from the guy who parrots everything he's told/I made up GOP tourettes for, the name joke (spoonfed) came only bc I called you WFool and I didn't even comment on those issues but I take them at face value...in what way/what form. you're hilarious, it's that simple. you are exactly what I say you are and you turn around and say the same shit back to me based on nothing but me calling you out for your idiocy. so sure thing WF, I call you out for just laying it on thick with innuendos and layered in bullshit almost exact repeated fashion, but I'm the one who is "spoonfed"...good one by the way.

giving me "another perspective"...thanks for the best laugh of all

your posts are hardly anything close, as you should realize by now I am in tune with the tripe channels you repeat like the little following fool you are

:wallbash:

[spoon]

Your elected and appointed world directors arent doing such a fabulous job


What is it to you that I mock these politcians , appointees etc? I don't look up to them Theyre not better than me. Do you look up to them as role models or as people better than you?


They go around shaking people down for money and claim that they are so concerned meanwhile they live in opulence and dont give a shit about you or your life

my elected and appointed world directors huh?

you are such a fool

there is clearly a difference between us in both our beliefs and way of discussing the issues...when you pass GARBAGE on so many issues laden with bias and partisanship for a party you claim to be distant from, you get the response you deserve. especially when you are just a fucking sound board of right wing talking points all over radio, tv and the internet. it's one thing to have a view like bobimpact and back it with your actual personal reasoning and without the excess bullshit you add and get pissed when pushed back. you do it in such a douche bag way all over the place and again echo all the bullshit you fail to actually prove/research beyond what you WANT...no NEED to believe and then wonder why I and plenty others (less loudly) attack your ludicrous ramblings here? That's precious, hilarious and sad all wrapped into one WFool.

[spoon]

GM is alive was one of the fucking bullshit parroted lines at the DNC. Too bad I don't have one of those Bill Maher bubbles to put you into. You have no comprehension on how the Auto bailouts were just one giant gift and was not a success. Its a multi bullion dollar loss and antithesis to bankruptcy laws but it makes you feel all fuzzy that some fat schlub in Ohio who's pension we are subsidizing. is making cars that people dont want and sales are due to fleet purchases by the federal government.

thanks for the laugh

again

[spoon]

Boehner is going to get walked all over. Instead of telling Obama he wants the cuts in black and white he will get some scheme of cutting proposed spending.

Then he's going to tell the nation that there will be those cuts meanwhile Obama makes him look foolish.


Over 200 House members and some fake tanned chain smoker will most likely be 2nd in line to the presidency again

I hope he is walked all over on this one. There needs to be cuts AND tax policy change and that's the fucking plan. Military cuts are at the top of the list too, as what we spend right now is pretty much unreal and not needed...unless we need another war started with the next republican in office.

Que the Lybia bullshit comment in 3-2-1...WFool

[spoon]

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/speaker.htm


"The Constitution does not require that the Speaker be an elected Member of Congress. No non-member has ever been elected Speaker."


They GOP Could change that. Calling Gary Johnson this is for you.

you want to fuck him don't you? it's cute WFez

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I hope he is walked all over on this one. There needs to be cuts AND tax policy change and that's the fucking plan. Military cuts are at the top of the list too, as what we spend right now is pretty much unreal and not needed...unless we need another war started with the next republican in office.

Que the Lybia bullshit comment in 3-2-1...WFool

You go apeshit when I say that we should have been out of Afghanistan already but you want military cuts. I see only areas that you deem necessary. You contradict yourself


Bill Clinton used the term arithmetic at the DNC. Well heres some for you again. 2 BILLION A WEEK IN AFGHANISTAN

Libya Libya Libya. Another billion dollars wasted. Sure Bush started wars but Obama is continuing one of them.

As far as your other replies. You link me in with these strawmen but they are the same ones who can't wait for a war with Iran. Does my tone bother you? If so I dont give a damn. I'm presenting all these other factors and you dismiss me as someone who agrees 100% with the republicans and it shows your ignorance

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you want to fuck him don't you? it's cute WFez


Good one.

[spoon]

You go apeshit when I say that we should have been out of Afghanistan already but you want military cuts. I see only areas that you deem necessary. You contradict yourself

No, I do not. I never said I don't want out to Afghanistan, I just don't allow you to place this huge blame on the sitting president for following a plan to end it there and not put our troops in danger with some crazy overhyped politicized hastened pullout. It wasn't his war, but he did concentrate the focus there for intel, need and basically upon his military advisor's opinions. I go apeshit at the bullshit you TIE INTO the need to get out, casting blame and hate for ridiculous reasons without warrant at all...bc you're a dumb fucking parrot.


Bill Clinton used the term arithmetic at the DNC. Well heres some for you again. 2 BILLION A WEEK IN AFGHANISTAN

Again, you are arguing completely different things as if I am gun ho about spending any money there at this point. I am not, but aren't stupid enough to think it just ends with the snap of the fingers.

Libya Libya Libya. Another billion dollars wasted. Sure Bush started wars but Obama is continuing one of them.

Read the above, and for clarification, just open your eyes this time.

As far as your other replies. You link me in with these strawmen but they are the same ones who can't wait for a war with Iran. Does my tone bother you? If so I dont give a damn. I'm presenting all these other factors and you dismiss me as someone who agrees 100% with the republicans and it shows your ignorance

on this final paragraph, it's hilarious. your tone?! your tone?! it's your belief that you think you are actually giving "all these other factors" as if they are your original thoughts and not some biased takes with a shit ton of partisanship regardless of your ultimate position. which I might add doesn't matter when you parrot that of one fucking side constantly. if you have a clear angle on something and want to spark actual conversation, POST IT. bc at this point, I hardly see this free thinking open minded poster you claim to be who enlightens everyone with "all these other factors" that just so happen to be the talking points of the right DAILY. so I don't link you with those who may or may not want war with Iran, you do a fine job of that yourself. ignorance my ass Wfuck, it's called common sense/logic

[spoon]

Good one.

indeed it is

:bye:

[spoon]

petty posts get the respect they deserve

and you I know you are but what am I "spoonfed" take is HILARIOUS...simply outstanding douchebaggery coming from the guy who parrots everything he's told/I made up GOP tourettes for, the name joke (spoonfed) came only bc I called you WFool and I didn't even comment on those issues but I take them at face value...in what way/what form. you're hilarious, it's that simple. you are exactly what I say you are and you turn around and say the same shit back to me based on nothing but me calling you out for your idiocy. so sure thing WF, I call you out for just laying it on thick with innuendos and layered in bullshit almost exact repeated fashion, but I'm the one who is "spoonfed"...good one by the way.

giving me "another perspective"...thanks for the best laugh of all

your posts are hardly anything close, as you should realize by now I am in tune with the tripe channels you repeat like the little following fool you are

:wallbash:

Good one.

what, 40 minutes ago and you can't even help yourself from copying here too huh?

try for once just to come up with something on your own

i know it's tough for you, but constantly repeating my own rips on you back at me is as pathetic as you trying to pass off ridiculous content covering politics from talking points as your own "other factors"

[A.J.]

I read up on it. Sounds like the Romney business plan to me. Take over a company, jack all the executives salaries, drain every last nickel you can out of the company, then liquidate and blame the unions.

Sounds alot like when Paulie Cicero takes over a restaurant. When theres no more money to be squeezed out, you light a match.

Fuckin' shame.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

on this final paragraph, it's hilarious. your tone?! your tone?! it's your belief that you think you are actually giving "all these other factors" as if they are your original thoughts and not some biased takes with a shit ton of partisanship regardless of your ultimate position. which I might add doesn't matter when you parrot that of one fucking side constantly. if you have a clear angle on something and want to spark actual conversation, POST IT. bc at this point, I hardly see this free thinking open minded poster you claim to be who enlightens everyone with "all these other factors" that just so happen to be the talking points of the right DAILY. so I don't link you with those who may or may not want war with Iran, you do a fine job of that yourself. ignorance my ass Wfuck, it's called common sense/logic

This President has been in office for almost 4 years and it has spiraled out of control in regards to Afghanistan so yes he takes blame and accountability. Hes the President. He's the CinC !!!! Furthermore our troops could have been already out. His surge in Afghanistan failed and as a result higher casualty rates and no end in sight as long as we are there. There could have been an exit plan implemented to have our men out of there by now.

Clinton kept using the word arithmetic. Heres another word. HISTORY!!!!!

Alexander the great, The Brits, the Soviets and now the US all failed in Afghanistan.

We are stuck there until 2014 because of that SOFA, So that means another couple hundred billion dollars for what? Afghanistan is a corrupt country, Most of the country wants us out of there and what purpose do we need to have 75K troops there? Then I hear constantly every day by the president and his shills that they need revenue. You should have not signed a SOFA that would piss away another few hundred billion dollars along with the interest owed fucktards

Your Obsession with labeling me as some talker for the right is delusional when I have said numerous times that I disagree with many of their policies. Its almost like you are trying to make some new person up say like WFake or something like that.


I think for myself, I dont need someone to tell me what to say or think. I see issues like Afghanistan, The Economy, the TSA etc and I form my own opinions.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

what, 40 minutes ago and you can't even help yourself from copying here too huh?

try for once just to come up with something on your own

i know it's tough for you, but constantly repeating my own rips on you back at me is as pathetic as you trying to pass off ridiculous content covering politics from talking points as your own "other factors"

linking me to some political party is spoonfed dribble

[KnoxHarrington]

Fucking hilarious:

Florida Rep. Allen West’s reelection prospects grew dimmer Sunday, as a recount of early ballots showed him falling further behind his Democratic opponent.
Democrat Patrick Murphy, a 29-year-old construction company executive, gained 242 votes after the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections completed its re-tabulation, increasing his lead to more than 2,100 votes over West, a tea party hero. Murphy’s lead is just outside the 0.5 percent margin that would trigger an automatic district-wide recount under Florida law.

West won a legal battle Friday when the office’s canvassing board decided to re-tally all early votes that had been cast. The Republican had argued that those votes had been accidentally double-counted on election night and provided a winning margin to Murphy.
But with Murphy’s margin growing after the recount, West’s legal options appeared to narrow. With St. Lucie County having a noon deadline Sunday for certifying its election results, Murphy’s campaign argued that the election was effectively over. Florida has a Tuesday deadline for certifying the results from all three counties that make up the 18th Congressional District.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84017.html#ixzz2CfzbRpDt

Please, Allen West, go the fuck away. Your district decided they didn't want a nutjob representing them. That's all there is to it.

It's depressing that it came to this. I can't imagine who'd vote for this psycho.

[Dude!]

Um, people who
don't hate blacks

[WRESTLINGFAN]

An Obama wall mural for his Burma trip.


Hey at least they got the ears right



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[Syd]

can't imagine who'd vote for this psycho.

The pro war-criminal crowd. You know, the same people who watch a Fox News show hosted by a guy who sold weapons to terrorists in order to fund right wing death squads who raped and murdered nuns. Or the same people who vote for a guy who had unwavering support for the IRA.

[epo]

Um, people who
don't hate blacks

albo60s

[hanso]

The pro war-criminal crowd. You know, the same people who watch a Fox News show hosted by a guy who sold weapons to terrorists in order to fund right wing death squads who raped and murdered nuns. Or the same people who vote for a guy who had unwavering support for the IRA.

Went to the store and saw a bumper sticker for this loon.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

So The highest honored Nobel Prize winner Dr Paul Krugman had an article about 1950's tax rates and the marginal top rate of 91% and how he would welcome that.


The Good professor failed to put in his article that spending in percent to GDP was much lower than today, There was no Medicare and there was no great society. The Modern welfare state didnt exist. Also there were a lot more deductions back then so the effective rate was much lower when including deductions.


Krugman, Americas other favorite Keynesian tried to gin up the troops and possibly start some quasi media explosion and he might get enough people to latch on to his half truths.


Boehner if he had a set should tell Obama. You want Clinton era rates? I want Clinton era spending in writing and not some promise to cut it over 10 years.


I dont see that happening. Obama and the Dems are going to trounce him

[Syd]

Government spending is tied to the number of citizens and GDP. If you have more citizens and more business, spending must account for the increase.

Unless you want to shut down businesses and execute citizens, you're going to have to increase spending. You can't have your legal system, FDA, roads and police and eat your cake too.

[A.J.]

execute citizens

I'm for that.

[hanso]

Government spending is tied to the number of citizens and GDP. If you have more citizens and more business, spending must account for the increase.

Unless you want to shut down businesses and execute citizens, you're going to have to increase spending. You can't have your legal system, FDA, roads and police and eat your cake too.

tickle down will solve all that.

[A.J.]

tickle down will solve all that.

Perv.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Government spending is tied to the number of citizens and GDP. If you have more citizens and more business, spending must account for the increase.

Unless you want to shut down businesses and execute citizens, you're going to have to increase spending. You can't have your legal system, FDA, roads and police and eat your cake too.

Gov't spending was over 100% of GDP in the past but that was to win WW2.

Its approaching 100% and will stay over that threshold permanently due to the welfare state and a brand new entitlement of Obamacare


FDA Roads and Police will be useless when we arent able to finance everything and China says NO Mas.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stop falling for the trap.


Just say 4.5 billion years and say have a great day


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/marco-rubio-earth-age_n_2158555.html

[Syd]

FDA Roads and Police will be useless when we arent able to finance everything and China says NO Mas.

why would China say no? because the GOP says so? what about the SS fund, or the reserve banks, or private American citizens, or Japan, or Brazil? Are they going to say no, too, or is the GOP busy trying to figure out how to tie aquarela do brasil into an ad about the evil Portuguese speakers coming to take our jobs/land/paella

the deficit doesn't matter because the cornerstone of global economics is American sovereign debt

if there's no American sovereign debt, there's no global economy, because it feeds off of said debt. It's literally the bedrock of every single economic function of the world

[WRESTLINGFAN]

why would China say no? because the GOP says so? what about the SS fund, or the reserve banks, or private American citizens, or Japan, or Brazil? Are they going to say no, too, or is the GOP busy trying to figure out how to tie aquarela do brasil into an ad about the evil Portuguese speakers coming to take our jobs/land/paella

the deficit doesn't matter because the cornerstone of global economics is American sovereign debt

if there's no American sovereign debt, there's no global economy, because it feeds off of said debt. It's literally the bedrock of every single economic function of the world

It doesn't have to do with the GOP. What reserve banks? The Federal reserve? There are no reserves, just Fiat currency with no backing. Its just becoming worthless paper.

Theres no SS Fund. Thats been raided, the money has been spent. Its just a collection of IOU's.

The continued practice of structural debt and deficit fueled by keynesian practices can not be sustained. You can print all of the money you want and monetize the debt but that has a cost.

The dollar can not continue to be the reserve currency with the structural debt/deficit and not have a reckoning.

[Syd]

So why is the debt an issue? Everyone says it is, but doesn't actually articulate the issue. It's just "America has this much debt, and it's bad because" while ignoring things like fiat currency and 3% unemployment being "full" employment or the nature of a mixed market economy

The debt is just the newest culmination of Atwater. You may or may not have seen it in the news, but if not, here he is discussing things:

"You start in 1954 by saying ‘Nigger, nigger, nigger.’ By 1968 you can’t say ‘Nigger.’ That hurts you. It backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states rights and all that stuff and you get so abstract. Now you talk about cutting taxes and these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that’s part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract and that coded, we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. Obviously sitting around saying we want to cut taxes and we want this, is a lot more abstract than even the busing thing and a hell of a lot more abstract than nigger nigger. So anyway you look at it, race is coming on the back burner."

The 47% comment is just the newest "nigger, nigger, nigger"

The deficit talk is just the newest "nigger, nigger, nigger"

People act like they don't want to admit they're part of society, that they're some ubermensch that is just being held down by the "takers" when they don't realize they themselves are takers. We all take from civilization, but we make it happen by paying our dues.

The stereotypical black person in the middle of the city dealing drugs is making profits happen for the people involved in the war on drugs. Their relatives in jail, they're helping to make profit happen for private prisons. They're the bottom rung, the people that are exploited for labor or as a boogeyman for the public.

The stereotypical ultra-rich white guy depends on public schools to provide consumers for the product his business creates, depends on public roads to allow quick shipment, the legal system to protect patents or copyrights or trademarks, the judicial system to keep the aforementioned black people out of his neighborhood. The military to keep open shipping lanes, to operate two multi-billion dollar carrier battle groups to keep the Hormuz free and clear and create stability in the oil market even though we don't draw shit from that region any more. Or border patrol, to funnel workers toward migrant worker visas to pick our crop for cheap. Or the factory worker impacted by free trade, he has to have medicaid because the race to the bottom prevents him from having a living wage. Those people have to be taken care of so they don't start a revolt or uprising. The same way the Democrats enable labor unions but both parties prevent the formation of worker's unions, again, for fear of a disruption of the capitalist system.

Sure it's a bit tinfoil, but you have to understand that the debt is there for a reason and the GOP isn't going to scale it back. No President of the post-agrarian era has held any real year-to-year budget surplus. How is that going to change all of a sudden? Did the GOP promise and cross their heart and hope to die that this time they're actually going to do something about the deficit, despite not actually having done anything about the deficit in the past century?

Hint: it's goddamn not. Vote Republican because "nigger, nigger, nigger" and vote Democrat because "poor, poor, poor"

Both parties are out there to fuck someone for the benefit of the rich, they just re-arrange who they're going to bend over.

[Dude!]

are you a poor nigger?

[spoon]

Gov't spending was over 100% of GDP in the past but that was to win WW2.

Its approaching 100% and will stay over that threshold permanently due to the welfare state and a brand new entitlement of Obamacare


FDA Roads and Police will be useless when we arent able to finance everything and China says NO Mas.

so the chinese speak spanish too

they truly are the top dog now!

and tell me more about the "welfare state" and entitlements

better yet, tell us all how China will benefit by crippling it's biggest market and country it NEEDS to do well in order to survive itself...in fact, the world does, but yah sure thing, they'll be the ones in particular to drop the hammer bc of they hate welfare states and obamacare

[spoon]

Stop falling for the trap.


Just say 4.5 billion years and say have a great day


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/marco-rubio-earth-age_n_2158555.html

falling for it, or just another fucking joke of a politician

it's called a litmus test and he fucking failed like a wfool

[hanso]

Stop falling for the trap.


Just say 4.5 billion years and say have a great day


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/marco-rubio-earth-age_n_2158555.html

extreme radical christian = tea party favorite

why would China say no? because the GOP says so? what about the SS fund, or the reserve banks, or private American citizens, or Japan, or Brazil? Are they going to say no, too, or is the GOP busy trying to figure out how to tie aquarela do brasil into an ad about the evil Portuguese speakers coming to take our jobs/land/paella

the deficit doesn't matter because the cornerstone of global economics is American sovereign debt

if there's no American sovereign debt, there's no global economy, because it feeds off of said debt. It's literally the bedrock of every single economic function of the world

IOKIYR

[Kevin]

extreme radical christian = tea party favorite



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[TripleSkeet]

so the chinese speak spanish too

they truly are the top dog now!

and tell me more about the "welfare state" and entitlements

better yet, tell us all how China will benefit by crippling it's biggest market and country it NEEDS to do well in order to survive itself...in fact, the world does, but yah sure thing, they'll be the ones in particular to drop the hammer bc of they hate welfare states and obamacare

Thank you. Thats one of the points that always seems to be forgotten when people keep saying America is going to become a 3rd world country. LMAO Oh really? Then who the fuck is going to buy all this shit from these other countries? We are the fucking consumers. The world needs America to do well.

[TripleSkeet]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

so the chinese speak spanish too

they truly are the top dog now!

and tell me more about the "welfare state" and entitlements

better yet, tell us all how China will benefit by crippling it's biggest market and country it NEEDS to do well in order to survive itself...in fact, the world does, but yah sure thing, they'll be the ones in particular to drop the hammer bc of they hate welfare states and obamacare

The world economy is interconnected now. If someone farts in China we know about it instantly

China is not going to continue selling us cheap trinkets for eternity. They could collapse.

You seem to think that the party can continue with no care about future repercussions. It may not happen next week, but it will collapse and when it happens here its going to be worse than whats going on in Europe. Over here, the military and police has better toys to crush the uprising.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Thank you. Thats one of the points that always seems to be forgotten when people keep saying America is going to become a 3rd world country. LMAO Oh really? Then who the fuck is going to buy all this shit from these other countries? We are the fucking consumers. The world needs America to do well.

Its not going to turn into Somalia overnight, However when we dont have enough money to buy all the garbage from China what good is it to have them sell fake dog shit and whoopee cushions.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

falling for it, or just another fucking joke of a politician

it's called a litmus test and he fucking failed like a wfool

So which politician do you want to spoon with, ? I think youre a Bernie Sanders guy.

[hanso]

Sanders has much better views than anything coming fron neo-conville

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sanders has much better views than anything coming fron neo-conville


Sanders is to the left of Marx but at least he's honest about it I'll give him that

[hanso]

Sanders is to the left of Marx but at least he's honest about it I'll give him that

Have you ever heard what he has to say? Or can't you get past his title?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Have you ever heard what he has to say? Or can't you get past his title?



Yes, universal healthcare for one example Not that watered down Obamacare scheme. He wants full single payer.


I happen to agree with him on some foreign policy / civil liberties issues but he makes Barack look like a neo con

[Syd]

Sanders is to the left of Marx but at least he's honest about it I'll give him that

Sanders is a social democrat, which is to the right of Marx. Marxism, generically speaking, requires the workers to own the means of production and private property to be abolished. I don't think Sanders has ever really proposed that.

Also, how is single payer communism? Again, private property is still there and doctors are still petit-bourgeoisie for the most part. Plus, it's difficult to argue that capital doesn't want single payer. Businesses are, or were, virtually required to provide healthcare to attract and retain employees. Our system is inferior to all industrialized nations in terms of cost and in terms of preventable loss of life.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened."


Norman Thomas.

Sanders subscribes to a lot of the pillars of communism for example a progressive income tax. In regards to single payer it makes the government the one setting prices. Hence price control. Control price, control the people.


Now in regards to private property since the docs are defacto gov't employees. What if they want to expand their practice or buy a building for expanded services. They will need permission from the government


Now, This country doesnt have just a welfare and entitlement problem. There's also the fetish of militarism and occupation in which BOTH parties fantasize over. Intervention and a giant expanded police state to make people feel they are secure when in fact they dont realize their civil liberties get chipped away.

[Syd]

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened."

Post-Red Scare 1 & 2, yeah, that comment is spot on. The history of populism in the America is still strong and is still strong today, but the messaging has changed because of the illegal acts of the government during both the Red Scares.


Sanders subscribes to a lot of the pillars of communism for example a progressive income tax. In regards to single payer it makes the government the one setting prices. Hence price control. Control price, control the people.

Progressive income tax isn't a pillar of communism. Progressive income tax is a pillar of a mixed market economy, the current economic styling of America.

Furthermore, single payer doesn't control price. Single payer removes private industry from insuring citizens because insurance becomes cheaper the larger the pool of insured. No health insurer can compete with the lower overheard from lack of bureaucracy, advertising and the lack of profit motive. Plus, being as insuring someone while also being concerned with their well-being can cause a type of moral hazard in which lack of action represents greater profit, especially in the final 5 years of someone's life.


Now in regards to private property since the docs are defacto gov't employees. What if they want to expand their practice or buy a building for expanded services. They will need permission from the government

They already do now? There's registration, licensing and other regulatory issues with that because America isn't Somalia and you don't have people practicing medicine without oversight. America isn't a free market and hasn't ever been a free market since the first colonies. It's a mixed market economy and the government, be it the crown, the confederation or republic has always played a significant role in the market.

On top of that, you're confusing single payer with nationalized healthcare. They're two wildly different implementations, it's like comparing a bunt with a sacrifice fly. Sure they move the baserunner but no one is going to say they're the same thing.


Now, This country doesnt have just a welfare and entitlement problem. There's also the fetish of militarism and occupation in which BOTH parties fantasize over. Intervention and a giant expanded police state to make people feel they are secure when in fact they dont realize their civil liberties get chipped away.

Welfare and entitlements are there because of the "full employment" of capitalism requiring unemployment. People had to be paid to do nothing because not everyone can ever be employed, otherwise businesses are incapable of growing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Post-Red Scare 1 & 2, yeah, that comment is spot on. The history of populism in the America is still strong and is still strong today, but the messaging has changed because of the illegal acts of the government during both the Red Scares.




Progressive income tax isn't a pillar of communism. Progressive income tax is a pillar of a mixed market economy, the current economic styling of America.

Its the 2nd pillar of Communism. Furthermore the country survived for well over 100 years without a progressive income tax.

Furthermore, single payer doesn't control price. Single payer removes private industry from insuring citizens because insurance becomes cheaper the larger the pool of insured. No health insurer can compete with the lower overheard from lack of bureaucracy, advertising and the lack of profit motive. Plus, being as insuring someone while also being concerned with their well-being can cause a type of moral hazard in which lack of action represents greater profit, especially in the final 5 years of someone's life.

There isnt overhead on a government level? There are going to be much more administrators etc and the overhead, administrative costs will eventually skyrocket due to levels of bureaucracies, redundancy etc that will inhibit R&D


They already do now? There's registration, licensing and other regulatory issues with that because America isn't Somalia and you don't have people practicing medicine without oversight. America isn't a free market and hasn't ever been a free market since the first colonies. It's a mixed market economy and the government, be it the crown, the confederation or republic has always played a significant role in the market.

Sure there are registrations and licensing. It's the same with people who want to practice law, but thats at a state level. Having a 1 size top down centrally planned system is not the way to go no ones advocating for Anarchy so the Somalia comparison is an extreme to the opposite side

On top of that, you're confusing single payer with nationalized healthcare. They're two wildly different implementations, it's like comparing a bunt with a sacrifice fly. Sure they move the baserunner but no one is going to say they're the same thing.


In a perspective they are the same because there are sets of rules and regulations originating from Washington DC


Welfare and entitlements are there because of the "full employment" of capitalism requiring unemployment. People had to be paid to do nothing because not everyone can ever be employed, otherwise businesses are incapable of growing.

Sure there can never be total 100% total employent unless there are millions of people just digging holes and filling them up, That would be the gov'ts definition

[A.J.]

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[spoon]

The world economy is interconnected now. If someone farts in China we know about it instantly

China is not going to continue selling us cheap trinkets for eternity. They could collapse.

You seem to think that the party can continue with no care about future repercussions. It may not happen next week, but it will collapse and when it happens here its going to be worse than whats going on in Europe. Over here, the military and police has better toys to crush the uprising.

No WF, I seem to think your prior post I commented on was off base at best and plain stupid. This new I "seem to think" just came out the blue once more, and truthfully is too stupid to even deserve a detailed response. Happy fire stoking fucko!

[spoon]

Its not going to turn into Somalia overnight, However when we dont have enough money to buy all the garbage from China what good is it to have them sell fake dog shit and whoopee cushions.

or ipods, flat panel tvs and so much more...but yah, fake dog shit and whoopee cushions

and yah, cheap alternatives to the normal regular priced options when money is tight has never been a working combination for the Chinese in the past.

fake dog shit sums up your logic, mentality and many posts

[spoon]

So which politician do you want to spoon with, ? I think youre a Bernie Sanders guy.

am I?

[spoon]

Have you ever heard what he has to say? Or can't you get past his title?

what do you think?

he is trying to say he's left of fucking Marx, but honest bc he wants to insinuate the Dems have those beliefs too...as in Obama is a socialist right buddy!?

:wallbash:

[spoon]

Sure there can never be total 100% total employent unless there are millions of people just digging holes and filling them up, That would be the gov'ts definition

ah, back to the oldies but goodies

let's all break a window

[A.J.]

let's all break a window

Fucking anarchist!

[spoon]

oddly this has been said of me before...while breaking a neighbor's window when I was a kid

I got serious hold of that inside fastball!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

or ipods, flat panel tvs and so much more...but yah, fake dog shit and whoopee cushions

and yah, cheap alternatives to the normal regular priced options when money is tight has never been a working combination for the Chinese in the past.

fake dog shit sums up your logic, mentality and many posts

Yes but when it will take more money to purchase those goods and they wont be able to sell those items then what?

Think they will be able to sell them in Botswana or Congo?

Bullshit is what you constantly post and expect to get some laugh out of.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fucking anarchist!

Nah, Spoon's a Keynesian.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

what do you think?

he is trying to say he's left of fucking Marx, but honest bc he wants to insinuate the Dems have those beliefs too...as in Obama is a socialist right buddy!?

:wallbash:

Obama isn't a socialist. Hes a fucking corporatist shill just like the many Presidents before him.

Sanders is a self admitted socialist. That was a joke about him being to the left of Marx.

Communists are basically socialists with bullets.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No WF, I seem to think your prior post I commented on was off base at best and plain stupid. This new I "seem to think" just came out the blue once more, and truthfully is too stupid to even deserve a detailed response. Happy fire stoking fucko!

A Keynesian's dream. Fire destroys property .

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ciao Jesse Jackson Jr.

[Syd]

Its the 2nd pillar of Communism. Furthermore the country survived for well over 100 years without a progressive income tax.

Have you ever read Capital? Because there's quite a bit on there that explains how Marx saw taxes as a way to control workers. Yes, ladies and germs, Marx was ~*anti-tax*~

Mainly because the actual "pillar of communism" is dissolution of private property and wages.

There isnt overhead on a government level? There are going to be much more administrators etc and the overhead, administrative costs will eventually skyrocket due to levels of bureaucracies, redundancy etc that will inhibit R&D

There's overhead, but there is far less. Medicare pays pennies on the dollar in overhead whereas private enterprise pays over a dime on the dollar in overhead. I don't know how single-payer will inhibit R&D because right now, government and university grants are the ones paying for R&D. Learning about things isn't profitable, and it has always been the role of government to advance society as such.


In a perspective they are the same because there are sets of rules and regulations originating from Washington DC

The end result is identical -- the public taking control of its own health instead of depending on business to provide for them.


Sure there can never be total 100% total employent unless there are millions of people just digging holes and filling them up, That would be the gov'ts definition

The government's definition is 3%, but when they tried digging holes and filling them up we had the WPA, which private industry hated because it reduced possible future profits.

Socialists are people who still believe that capitalism has a use, communists are people who believe that capitalism has no use.

[MHasegawa]

Obama isn't a socialist. Hes a fucking corporatist shill just like the many Presidents before him.

Sanders is a self admitted socialist. That was a joke about him being to the left of Marx.

Communists are basically socialists with bullets.

I love how we can put "ist" at the end of any word to describe anybody. I'm an assholeIST!

[A.J.]

Ciao Jesse Jackson Jr.

Pity he couldn't resign BEFORE Election Day. Now it's going to cost Illinois more money to hold a special election.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Have you ever read Capital? Because there's quite a bit on there that explains how Marx saw taxes as a way to control workers. Yes, ladies and germs, Marx was ~*anti-tax*~

Mainly because the actual "pillar of communism" is dissolution of private property and wages.

Did you read the communist Manifesto? Marx advocated for taxation. From each to each. Remember that quote?

There's overhead, but there is far less. Medicare pays pennies on the dollar in overhead whereas private enterprise pays over a dime on the dollar in overhead. I don't know how single-payer will inhibit R&D because right now, government and university grants are the ones paying for R&D. Learning about things isn't profitable, and it has always been the role of government to advance society as such.

But whats reported in overhead? Gov't always manipulates numbers and metrics . There really isnt a number that can be reported because theres always revisions upwards or downwards





The end result is identical -- the public taking control of its own health instead of depending on business to provide for them.

When you say the public its really the government because they are controlling it


The government's definition is 3%, but when they tried digging holes and filling them up we had the WPA, which private industry hated because it reduced possible future profits.

Socialists are people who still believe that capitalism has a use, communists are people who believe that capitalism has no use.

Socialists dont believe in a free market. They advocate for favoritism to whoever is the best bidder. They dont want competition and they advocate barriers to entry

They advocate crony capitalism

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pity he couldn't resign BEFORE Election Day. Now it's going to cost Illinois more money to hold a special election.

He's the son of Jesse Jackson so It was expected he wouldn't bow out before election day.


The sadder part is that they reelected him even with all his baggage.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like Hillary will take credit for this phony cease fire btwn the Jews and Arabs.


All this really means is that Hamas will stock up on rockets for the next attack

[spoon]

Yes but when it will take more money to purchase those goods and they wont be able to sell those items then what?

Think they will be able to sell them in Botswana or Congo?

Bullshit is what you constantly post and expect to get some laugh out of.

now dipshit, they'll continue to sell it HERE

what aren't you following you tool?

not only are you FULL OF SHIT with your logic, you simply can't follow along that in the real world China isn't go to do what you've so clearly been told via normal sources

[spoon]

Nah, Spoon's a Keynesian.

you MUST have your labels...and still stupid

[spoon]

A Keynesian's dream. Fire destroys property .

and still an idiot

[spoon]

Ciao Jesse Jackson Jr.

isn't the guy struggling with severe mental problems/depression?

[spoon]

I love how we can put "ist" at the end of any word to describe anybody. I'm an assholeIST!

Me too!

Best party ever! And we have the best parties!

[spoon]

Looks like Hillary will take credit for this phony cease fire btwn the Jews and Arabs.


All this really means is that Hamas will stock up on rockets for the next attack

so they didn't stop?

these things have been tenuous at best for decades, but I guess you think your guy/girl would have just ended it for good with one visit?

and by credit what exactly do you mean? that she was involved, bc she was wfool. the threat of a protracted ground war is put off for at least now and it seems to me that the prez and clinton are more than happy to pass the credit right to Morsi...and it's pretty astute.

[epo]

isn't the guy struggling with severe mental problems/depression?

Yup. No reason to beat on man when he's down.

[spoon]

Yup. No reason to beat on man when he's down.

I agree on some parts, yet he does have some indiscretions he may or may not be running from in the process though so there is that...client #5 and camp finance issues.

Yet when a guy steps down due to these issues, it does look bad to go at him. So WF, are you saying it's a sham and he's using the issues as a scapegoat to step down for that reason vs the investigations and issues of the past?

[Syd]

Looks like Hillary will take credit for this phony cease fire btwn the Jews and Arabs.


All this really means is that Hamas will stock up on rockets for the next attack

They didn't stock up on them now, they apparently never launched any Fajr rockets, only the unguided pipebombs. They won't need them next time as world opinion is changing against Israel and pretty soon they'll be at the UN. Once that happens, there will be more to keep Gaza and Palestine from becoming isolated ghettos of Arabs and Israel won't be able to use the scare of rocket attacks to avoid admitting their domestic problem. The Palestinians won't be able to keep hardliners from launching rocket attacks but when there's more stability, there will be less hardliners.

and there was never going to be a land invasion because it's wildly unpopular even in Israel, the only support would have been possibly from the American public. Hamas was worried about firing a rocket and causing multiple casualties too, so, both sides were just going through the motions for the past few days while they waited for Egypt to sort out whatever they needed to sort out.

I think like what, 100 or so Palestinians died and a handful of Israelis but if you want to attach value to death, they're some of the most valuable deaths the region has seen. Egypt isn't the puppet state of America any more and the UN-backed Palestine will put some weight behind anything to condemn Israel or Palestinian partisans attacking occupiers.

[A.J.]

isn't the guy struggling with severe mental problems/depression?

Yeah, and who was under Federal and Congressional investigation for financial improprieties.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

now dipshit, they'll continue to sell it HERE

what aren't you following you tool?

not only are you FULL OF SHIT with your logic, you simply can't follow along that in the real world China isn't go to do what you've so clearly been told via normal sources

No shit of course now.


Think the continuation of currency manipulation mixed with QE3 on our end ?

Plus we are in a global economy. A major collapse in China will affect this country like a virus

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so they didn't stop?

these things have been tenuous at best for decades, but I guess you think your guy/girl would have just ended it for good with one visit?

and by credit what exactly do you mean? that she was involved, bc she was wfool. the threat of a protracted ground war is put off for at least now and it seems to me that the prez and clinton are more than happy to pass the credit right to Morsi...and it's pretty astute.

It's an intermission at best.

This allows more time for Hamas to regroup using Egypt as a supply route. I never said that it could be ended overnight.

Yes put off for at least now. Very astute


Morsi is involved because he's hoping the US returns the blind sheik. I wouldnt put it past this gov't to do that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree on some parts, yet he does have some indiscretions he may or may not be running from in the process though so there is that...client #5 and camp finance issues.

Yet when a guy steps down due to these issues, it does look bad to go at him. So WF, are you saying it's a sham and he's using the issues as a scapegoat to step down for that reason vs the investigations and issues of the past?

Jackson will get the best treatment. He's a politician plus he has the pedigree of being the son of a national figure.


My issue is why didnt he bow out of the race before the election? He had these issues for a couple of months. There would have been time for a replacement candidate. Its only a congressional district. Now its going to cost more money for a special election.

The Voters shouldn't get off so easy. They elected someone who was not mentally stable to hold office, be part of budget meetings/committees etc. But then again I expected them to re elect him. Hell the voters put back in Marion Barry to the DC City council.

[A.J.]

Hell the voters put back in Marion Barry to the DC City council.

AFTER he was reelected Mayor but was term-limited from running again.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Stalin was on the ticket and there was a D beside his name they would vote for him by an overwhelming majority

I read where close to 60 precincts around Philly , there were no votes for Romney . This also happened in 2008 for McCain

There were probably pockets of people in Big Sky country who did the same for Romney but the difference is that Philly is densely populated.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hows that Arab Spring working out?


Morsi is granting himself even more power

[hanso]

Hows that Arab Spring working out?


Morsi is granting himself even more power

Much better than if the dick wavers had took office TY

[spoon]

No shit of course now.


Think the continuation of currency manipulation mixed with QE3 on our end ?

Plus we are in a global economy. A major collapse in China will affect this country like a virus

so you agree then, your posts on this in the past are bullshit and dead wrong

great to see even you can't agree with that idiot...yourself

[spoon]

It's an intermission at best.

This allows more time for Hamas to regroup using Egypt as a supply route. I never said that it could be ended overnight.

Yes put off for at least now. Very astute


Morsi is involved because he's hoping the US returns the blind sheik. I wouldnt put it past this gov't to do that.

of course you wouldn't

and you even pick up words other use and copy them too...you're like a 5th grader you have to be careful around not to curse


it's hilarious you astute parrot

[spoon]

If Stalin was on the ticket and there was a D beside his name they would vote for him by an overwhelming majority

I read where close to 60 precincts around Philly , there were no votes for Romney . This also happened in 2008 for McCain

There were probably pockets of people in Big Sky country who did the same for Romney but the difference is that Philly is densely populated.

and the difference bt the groups is one is voting in their best interest, the other with a bible in hand and a farming subsidy in one hand, and a welfare check in the other claiming to want less government like idiots while voting for Mitt bc their church told them so. You might not like African Americans voting for Dems, but it is easily the lesser of evils for their needs and future.

[spoon]

Hows that Arab Spring working out?


Morsi is granting himself even more power

Explain to me what you thought it would be? Tell me what our role should be in countries out there finding their own way and making their own calls? Or better yet, tell me how this is Obama's fault?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so you agree then, your posts on this in the past are bullshit and dead wrong

great to see even you can't agree with that idiot...yourself

Of Course you can buy Shit from China now.


Can you comprehend anything? If you think we can continue this cycle of monetizing our debt and not have any repercussions in the future you are truly a very naive person and more childish than I thought

[WRESTLINGFAN]

of course you wouldn't

and you even pick up words other use and copy them too...you're like a 5th grader you have to be careful around not to curse


it's hilarious you astute parrot

Because our government has always been honest and upfront with us.


Change your name to Forrest Spoon

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and the difference bt the groups is one is voting in their best interest, the other with a bible in hand and a farming subsidy in one hand, and a welfare check in the other claiming to want less government like idiots while voting for Mitt bc their church told them so. You might not like African Americans voting for Dems, but it is easily the lesser of evils for their needs and future.

Their best interest like continuing to be behind the rest of the country when it regards, education, wealth employment etc?

You harp on bible thumpers voting for Romney and if they are only voting for him because they wanted the black guy out then thats fine but you can't criticize a bloc of people for voting to keep themselves in poverty?

Like the Black churches didnt tell their voters to vote for Barack? There were a few pastors who spoke out against Obama in regards to his evolution for gay marriage in a fucking election year


Blacks voting for democrats is why they continue to lag behind everyone else.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Explain to me what you thought it would be? Tell me what our role should be in countries out there finding their own way and making their own calls? Or better yet, tell me how this is Obama's fault?

Obama was gullible in thinking Egypt would be some bastion for a western democracy. Once again we get suckered into believing countries would become westernized when we really dont know what will happen.

Mubarak wasnt Thomas Jefferson, but there was still peace btwn Egypt and Israel. Once The Israeli's fired back against Hamas did you see how Morsi was bending over backwards for Hamas and Criticizing the Jews?

Ask the Coptic Christians how life is under Morsi

Enough of these temporary halts. Let them fight it out amongst each other. Israel, Hamas and Egypt shouldnt continue to feast off our foreign aid.


I keep hearing Obama bitching about needing schools, teachers, infrastructure etc. Enough of funneling cash over there.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and the difference bt the groups is one is voting in their best interest, the other with a bible in hand and a farming subsidy in one hand, and a welfare check in the other claiming to want less government like idiots while voting for Mitt bc their church told them so. You might not like African Americans voting for Dems, but it is easily the lesser of evils for their needs and future.

Hence the stupidity of the electorate in both parties

[spoon]

Of Course you can buy Shit from China now.


Can you comprehend anything? If you think we can continue this cycle of monetizing our debt and not have any repercussions in the future you are truly a very naive person and more childish than I thought

your lack of comprehension knows no bounds, and now you repeat yet another thing I said to you

now the topic in debt monetizing huh? you simply can't even keep a thought straight in your head, much less keep on a topic here

bottom line is simple here, you stated the Chinese were going to pull the rug out from under the US's feet and you were called out on it...now it's on to another topic everyone else just doesn't get and you make up a brand new argument to fight against that nobody even commented on really...which is tough bc you pull this shit out of the air

it's truly incredible how fucking annoying and stupid you are

[spoon]

Because our government has always been honest and upfront with us.


Change your name to Forrest Spoon

you try soooo hard and fail that much more

terrible

[spoon]

Their best interest like continuing to be behind the rest of the country when it regards, education, wealth employment etc?

You harp on bible thumpers voting for Romney and if they are only voting for him because they wanted the black guy out then thats fine but you can't criticize a bloc of people for voting to keep themselves in poverty?

Like the Black churches didnt tell their voters to vote for Barack? There were a few pastors who spoke out against Obama in regards to his evolution for gay marriage in a fucking election year


Blacks voting for democrats is why they continue to lag behind everyone else.

sure thing WF, voting Reagan, Bush, W REALLY helped the african americans get ahead...just like all the policies in the past for their people. the dems do actually fight for their rights, those below and around the poverty level regardless of race and the middle class more than the other side even to the most biased and blinded follower of politics.

but yah, the cycle of gop/dems has clearly shown us that the lower/middle class fare so well under the caring republicans...you nailed it. women had a better starting point in this country overall and still lag behind men, but I suppose the GOP have their rights and best interest in mind too. it was the dems holding them and their rights back too.

and did anyone here ever say no black churches ever pushed for votes for Obama, yet that's your style. when someone makes a valid point, counter it was something else nobody else EVER stated or would. and nice point on the stupid churches pushing voting against their best interest overall simply bc they live in a fantasy world and need a crutch for their lives known as religion.

Blacks voting for democrats is why they continue to lag behind everyone else.

You just can't make shit like that up...it's fucking hilarious! Of course I heard this diatribe before, any guess where parrot?

[spoon]

Obama was gullible in thinking Egypt would be some bastion for a western democracy. Once again we get suckered into believing countries would become westernized when we really dont know what will happen.

Mubarak wasnt Thomas Jefferson, but there was still peace btwn Egypt and Israel. Once The Israeli's fired back against Hamas did you see how Morsi was bending over backwards for Hamas and Criticizing the Jews?

Ask the Coptic Christians how life is under Morsi

Enough of these temporary halts. Let them fight it out amongst each other. Israel, Hamas and Egypt shouldnt continue to feast off our foreign aid.


I keep hearing Obama bitching about needing schools, teachers, infrastructure etc. Enough of funneling cash over there.

the only president that claimed his wars were spreading democracy and freedom like a disease was W. Obama didn't start shit in Egypt you fool, much less expect some "bastion for Western democracy". Where do you get this shit!? Nobody in their right mind would have backed Mubarak with a country done with the asshole, much less push some agenda in Egypt when they have their own needs and leadership waiting in the wings. It just so happens christians there have always been under attack, always. Nothing has changed in that regard, as they are in the minority now just as in the past.

Morsi has plenty of ties to Hamas, nobody stated differently. That's the play Hilary is using you fool, as he's a world leader now and can put massive pressure on them via the massive pressure from the US on him to help alleviate some of this conflict...just how far it goes, well that's severely in doubt simply based on the track record in the area and religious conflict for decades there. Still, it's a new tactic and start for those involved THIS time.

[spoon]

Hence the stupidity of the electorate in both parties

nah you're right, capital gains taxes, no health care, less worker's rights, lower minimum wages/freeazes/no increases and less regulation on corporations/environmental pollution helps us middle/lower class oh so much

[WRESTLINGFAN]

your lack of comprehension knows no bounds, and now you repeat yet another thing I said to you

now the topic in debt monetizing huh? you simply can't even keep a thought straight in your head, much less keep on a topic here

bottom line is simple here, you stated the Chinese were going to pull the rug out from under the US's feet and you were called out on it...now it's on to another topic everyone else just doesn't get and you make up a brand new argument to fight against that nobody even commented on really...which is tough bc you pull this shit out of the air

it's truly incredible how fucking annoying and stupid you are

Called out on what? Because it wont happen next week or month? Nice work gumshoe.

Wow, the lack of comprehension you have is really laughable at this point. Its like trying to explain economics to Al Sharpton

[WRESTLINGFAN]

sure thing WF, voting Reagan, Bush, W REALLY helped the african americans get ahead...just like all the policies in the past for their people. the dems do actually fight for their rights, those below and around the poverty level regardless of race and the middle class more than the other side even to the most biased and blinded follower of politics.

but yah, the cycle of gop/dems has clearly shown us that the lower/middle class fare so well under the caring republicans...you nailed it. women had a better starting point in this country overall and still lag behind men, but I suppose the GOP have their rights and best interest in mind too. it was the dems holding them and their rights back too.

and did anyone here ever say no black churches ever pushed for votes for Obama, yet that's your style. when someone makes a valid point, counter it was something else nobody else EVER stated or would. and nice point on the stupid churches pushing voting against their best interest overall simply bc they live in a fantasy world and need a crutch for their lives known as religion.



You just can't make shit like that up...it's fucking hilarious! Of course I heard this diatribe before, any guess where parrot?

How have the Democrats helped blacks? Now the GOP with all their baggage does not want them back in the fields picking cotton or tobacco.

Look at places like Detroit, Gary Indiana, Camden etc. Voting Democrat for decades and look where it has gotten them.

So who is to blame Whitey? Or should more money be spent on these massive federal entitlement programs? Its the Democrats mostly who practice soft bigotry anf the mantra of low expectations. Not just for blacks but for poor people in general. No ones opposed to aiding the needy, however they should be lifted out of it and the federal gov't has done a horrible job. About 20 trillion in inflated adjusted dollars since 1964 alone.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

nah you're right, capital gains taxes, no health care, less worker's rights, lower minimum wages/freeazes/no increases and less regulation on corporations/environmental pollution helps us middle/lower class oh so much

Yes turn the country into Somalia.


What a child you really are.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the only president that claimed his wars were spreading democracy and freedom like a disease was W. Obama didn't start shit in Egypt you fool, much less expect some "bastion for Western democracy". Where do you get this shit!? Nobody in their right mind would have backed Mubarak with a country done with the asshole, much less push some agenda in Egypt when they have their own needs and leadership waiting in the wings. It just so happens christians there have always been under attack, always. Nothing has changed in that regard, as they are in the minority now just as in the past.

Morsi has plenty of ties to Hamas, nobody stated differently. That's the play Hilary is using you fool, as he's a world leader now and can put massive pressure on them via the massive pressure from the US on him to help alleviate some of this conflict...just how far it goes, well that's severely in doubt simply based on the track record in the area and religious conflict for decades there. Still, it's a new tactic and start for those involved THIS time.

Did you actually read what I posted? I will say it again. We got ourselves into another country's affairs and blew up in our faces...AGAIN!!!


Yes Professor I knew in 2006 Bush encouraged elections for the Arabs in Gaza and they chose Hamas which is a terrorist organization, your gov't classifies them as one.

Mubarak at least kept the Jihadis in line. Just like Saddam did in Iraq. Now we didnt invade Egypt however what is in place now is a country more favorable to Hamas and Iran.

What pressure is he going to put on Hamas? Stop that you bad Hamas people meanwhile weapons will go thru Egypt for more rocket attacks to Israel in the future. Also another factor in this quasi cease fire is that Fattah wants to apply for statehood to the UN. People seem to think that Fattah is innoncent of terrorism however they still have the Al Aqsa martyr brigades who were involved in the 2nd infatada.

[hanso]

Why is he bringing up Coptic's? They are just as backward assed as the ragheads and just as insightful.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So a coptic making a goofy youtube video gives people carte blanche to riot ?

The ones in Egypt want to practice their faith. Morsi isnt taking too kindly to them

[epo]

Blacks voting for democrats is why they continue to lag behind everyone else.

That attitude is hardly the way the GOP will ever gain inroads to the African-American vote.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Blacks need to be stopped to being looked at as children by politicians.


There needs to be other voices brought into the mainstream instead of Michael Eric Dyson, Cornel West, Al Sharpton, Tavis Smiley and others.


I'd love to see one of them debate Larry Elder or Thomas Sowell. Too many of them view Sowell, Elder, Steele and others as Oreos or Sellouts.


There shouldnt be spokemen for blacks as there shouldnt be any for whites, however those opposing views should not be shut down.

[Kevin]

Blacks need to be stopped to being looked at as children by politicians.


There needs to be other voices brought into the mainstream instead of Michael Eric Dyson, Cornel West, Al Sharpton, Tavis Smiley and others.


I'd love to see one of them debate Larry Elder or Thomas Sowell. Too many of them view Sowell, Elder, Steele and others as Oreos or Sellouts.


There shouldnt be spokemen for blacks as there shouldnt be any for whites, however those opposing views should not be shut down.

You and others need to stop calling them blacks.

It's incredibly wrong

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What's wrong about saying black?

If you want to be technical, Someone from Egypt who emigrated here could be considered African American

[razorboy]

Blacks need to be stopped

I'd love to see blacks shut down.

Edited for brevity and clarity.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oreos sell out

[Melk]

Blacks need to be stopped to being looked at as children by politicians.
Why should blacks be spoken to or looked at in a manner more respectful than any other class of citizen?

[foodcourtdruide]

How have the Democrats helped blacks? Now the GOP with all their baggage does not want them back in the fields picking cotton or tobacco.

Look at places like Detroit, Gary Indiana, Camden etc. Voting Democrat for decades and look where it has gotten them.

So who is to blame Whitey? Or should more money be spent on these massive federal entitlement programs? Its the Democrats mostly who practice soft bigotry anf the mantra of low expectations. Not just for blacks but for poor people in general. No ones opposed to aiding the needy, however they should be lifted out of it and the federal gov't has done a horrible job. About 20 trillion in inflated adjusted dollars since 1964 alone.

Your argument "look where it has gotten them" is pretty silly, considering the reasons cities like Gary have fallen into high poverty rates. It has more to do with America's capitalist demagogues who have somehow convinced this country that our growth as individuals will be directly tied to the growth of their bottom line.... oh, then by the way, left cities like Gary and Detroit when it became more profitable for a small group of people to do so - completely destroying the economies in those places.

Think past party lines. Government endorsed corporatism is the problem.

[foodcourtdruide]

What's wrong about saying black?

If you want to be technical, Someone from Egypt who emigrated here could be considered African American

It's wrong because you're ignoring all other motivating factors that would lead black people to vote democrat or republican and basing it solely on race. As if they have no other defining characteristic.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your argument "look where it has gotten them" is pretty silly, considering the reasons cities like Gary have fallen into high poverty rates. It has more to do with America's capitalist demagogues who have somehow convinced this country that our growth as individuals will be directly tied to the growth of their bottom line.... oh, then by the way, left cities like Gary and Detroit when it became more profitable for a small group of people to do so - completely destroying the economies in those places.

Think past party lines. Government endorsed corporatism is the problem.

I agree with the corporatism and thats why I didnt vote for Obama or Romney. Since you brought up Gary. Gary Johnson ran against corporatism against bailouts and corporate welfare.

Nothing wrong with capitalism, It's crony capitalism that is the problem.

Big business loves big government

While I don't disagree with your point on corporatism. It's the continued massive federal spending along with the trillions of dollars which have kept blacks in generational poverty. This has kept them at a disadvantage while making politicians, corporations, economists and people who measure these stats and metrics richer. The politicians work with the corporations and its a massive money maker.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's wrong because you're ignoring all other motivating factors that would lead black people to vote democrat or republican and basing it solely on race. As if they have no other defining characteristic.

Blacks dont vote on race itself. They vote overwhelming on party lines and its been for the democrats for decades.


Black Republican vs White democrat. The blacks will vote for the white democrat

[KnoxHarrington]

Blacks dont vote on race itself. They vote overwhelming on party lines and its been for the democrats for decades.


Black Republican vs White democrat. The blacks will vote for the white democrat

Probably because black Republicans tend to be like Alan Keyes and run on a platfrom of dismantling affirmative action and all other anti-discrimination measures.

Look, when one party runs on a platform that demonizes and scapegoats the race you're a member of, it's not "racism" to vote in your self-interest there. Thats' what the Republican Party must figure out, and get rid of the "Southern Stategy" once and for all. But since the election, they've doubled-down on the stupidity that lost them this election.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[spoon]

OUTSTANDING

love the recent clip there fuckfool

go back a little further and you might find one more african american that lines up with some right wing ideology you of course don't fall in line with

the good news is, at least this time you let the people speak for themselves on this one versus panning it off as your own after hearing something on the radio/seeing in on tv or from drudge

you're a sad sad fucking fool


(here's the part where you now repeat my post back to me and change the topic to the panama canal and global climate change and deregulation)...GARY!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

OUTSTANDING

love the recent clip there fuckfool

go back a little further and you might find one more african american that lines up with some right wing ideology you of course don't fall in line with

the good news is, at least this time you let the people speak for themselves on this one versus panning it off as your own after hearing something on the radio/seeing in on tv or from drudge

you're a sad sad fucking fool


(here's the part where you now repeat my post back to me and change the topic to the panama canal and global climate change and deregulation)...GARY!

He still believes that TODAY!!!!!!!


I knew you would dismiss him because he doesn't talk the same shit that Sharpton Spoonfeeds every day.


His opinions don't count to many people who share your views. Neither does Larry Elder's or anyone else with a differing opinion and other alternatives.


You sound like an angry white man.

[spoon]

He still believes that TODAY!!!!!!!


I knew you would dismiss him because he doesn't talk the same shit that Sharpton Spoonfeeds every day.


His opinions don't count to many people who share your views. Neither does Larry Elder's or anyone else with a differing opinion and other alternatives.


You sound like an angry white man.

your attempts at hitting back are awesome/HILARIOUS, yet severely flawed/loaded with bullshit as always

you posted a vid of a guy from the fucking era of 80's music or worse as your point to what? another opinion and hence you think you're right!? nothing more current out there either? much less opinions aren't fucking FACTS!

and perhaps most comically you link me to fucking sharpton like only a fucking IDIOT would...as pretty much NOBODY gets "Spoonfed every day" by him anywhere, much less here you dumb fuck. you get called out bc of your RIDICULOUS video and immediately attack sharpton's views that have NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to do here...just awesome. not once did I dismiss his OPINION, just your idiotic point!

not angry wf, just can't stand you and your pathetic attempts at debate or argument bc you're nothing short of a complete and utter fucking FOOL. you not only parrot everything you're told, you then act like OTHERS do it bc you were called out. it doesn't work like that you foolish dickbag, it's based on your actual posts and the wording that often is IDENTICAL to GOP talking points and hence your earned foursquare GOP tourrettes badge is well earned.

GARY!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

your attempts at hitting back are awesome/HILARIOUS, yet severely flawed/loaded with bullshit as always

you posted a vid of a guy from the fucking era of 80's music or worse as your point to what? another opinion and hence you think you're right!? nothing more current out there either? much less opinions aren't fucking FACTS!

and perhaps most comically you link me to fucking sharpton like only a fucking IDIOT would...as pretty much NOBODY gets "Spoonfed every day" by him anywhere, much less here you dumb fuck. you get called out bc of your RIDICULOUS video and immediately attack sharpton's views that have NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to do here...just awesome. not once did I dismiss his OPINION, just your idiotic point!

not angry wf, just can't stand you and your pathetic attempts at debate or argument bc you're nothing short of a complete and utter fucking FOOL. you not only parrot everything you're told, you then act like OTHERS do it bc you were called out. it doesn't work like that you foolish dickbag, it's based on your actual posts and the wording that often is IDENTICAL to GOP talking points and hence your earned foursquare GOP tourrettes badge is well earned.

GARY!


Sowell is still around today and still writing Articles


Your attempt to write him off shows your ignorance.

[spoon]

Sowell is still around today and still writing Articles


Your attempt to write him off shows your ignorance.

blah blah blah bullshit...shows your ignorance

[WRESTLINGFAN]

blah blah blah bullshit...shows your ignorance



Can you get beyond your childish comments and realize that Sowell making those comments regardless what decade it is has validity ?

It makes a bigger point that the federal government even with good intentions ends up creating programs with unintended consequences


People like Sharpton Dyson etc want to keep segments of blacks in a perpetual state of anger. They capitalize and get rich from that

[Kevin]

You two should get a TV show.

[cougarjake13]

the fork and spoon show ?

[disneyspy]

the fork and spoon show ?

more like MAN ON MAN show,amirite?

[Bob Impact]

more like MAN ON MAN show,amirite?

Calling it The SpooningFan show would accomplish the same goal.

[spoon]

Can you get beyond your childish comments and realize that Sowell making those comments regardless what decade it is has validity ?

It makes a bigger point that the federal government even with good intentions ends up creating programs with unintended consequences


People like Sharpton Dyson etc want to keep segments of blacks in a perpetual state of anger. They capitalize and get rich from that

you see, it's still an OPINION...nobody argued for Sharpton or Dyson

your point continues to change and circle the drain of reality

wf step two...blah blah blah, childish...shit expelled

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md6xxpU0N51riokjwo1_1280.jpg

[spoon]

the fork and spoon show ?

how dare you even put that fuck in the same drawer

[spoon]

more like MAN ON MAN show,amirite?

nah, pretty much never

[WRESTLINGFAN]

how dare you even put that fuck in the same drawer

Stay in the drawer, I don't want you in the China cabinet with me

[Syd]

Blacks dont vote on race itself. They vote overwhelming on party lines and its been for the democrats for decades.


Black Republican vs White democrat. The blacks will vote for the white democrat

Racial identity is less important than class identity, that's for sure.

[spoon]

Stay in the drawer, I don't want you in the China cabinet with me

pretty much lines up with everything you posted in this thread up to now there mr. mud hut...not only do you want segregation and no equality, but now you want even outsource your fucking home!

:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did the 3 Wise men bring myrrh, frankencense and a new set of golf clubs when he was born?


Would it be blasphemy if I put it in a glass of urine ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/barack-obama-jesus-cross-painting-the-truth-controversial_n_2199073.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

pretty much lines up with everything you posted in this thread up to now there mr. mud hut...not only do you want segregation and no equality, but now you want even outsource your fucking home!

:lol:

Occupy the dining room

[A.J.]

Did the 3 Wise men bring myrrh, frankencense and a new set of golf clubs when he was born?


Would it be blasphemy if I put it in a glass of urine ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/barack-obama-jesus-cross-painting-the-truth-controversial_n_2199073.html

It was an 8 ball, a pack of Newports and Orange soda.

[spoon]

this new made up deity sounds awesome!

let there be golf and sunkist!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Joe Biden betrays him for 30 boxes of rogaine

[KnoxHarrington]

Fuck, I love The Onion.

Congressman Torn Between Meaningless Pledge To Anti-Tax Zealot, Well-Being of Nation (http://www.theonion.com/articles/congressman-torn-between-meaningless-pledge-to-ant,30539/)

WASHINGTON—Amid ongoing negotiations in Congress over the looming “fiscal cliff,” Rep. Tom Reed (R-NY) told reporters Wednesday he is “completely torn” between his commitment to conservative activist Grover Norquist’s meaningless anti-tax pledge and the general welfare of the entire country. “On the one hand, you have a nonsensical promise to blindly oppose tax increases regardless of circumstances, but on the other, you have the well-being of more than 300 million people and the long-term stability of the entire U.S. economy,” said Reed, adding that he is “really stuck between a rock and a hard place” now that he must decide between his loyalty to a dogmatic political lobbyist and his responsibility to serve the best interests of his constituents. “At the end of the day, it’s a question of whether a nonbinding signature on an outdated and worthless pledge written 26 years ago is more important than preventing the nation from completely going to hell. I just don’t know what to do here.” When reached for comment, Norquist urged the pledge’s signatories in Congress to “remember what’s really important” before sacrificing utterly irrational principles for the sake of the country’s future.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Possible successor to Jackson Jr in special election



http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1AuAmSfR

[A.J.]

Possible successor to Jackson Jr in special election



http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1AuAmSfR

Hahahaha! Mel Reynolds!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Romney tattoo face guy gets it removed


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/man-romney-face-tattoo-prepares-laser-removal-165623174--election.html

[epo]

Romney tattoo face guy gets it removed


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/man-romney-face-tattoo-prepares-laser-removal-165623174--election.html

The world questions his sanity for getting the tattoo in the first place.

Seriously...did anyone get a Wendell Willkie tattoo in 1940?

[KnoxHarrington]

The world questions his sanity for getting the tattoo in the first place.

Seriously...did anyone get a Wendell Willkie tattoo in 1940?

I hear Disneyspy has a "Coolidge/Dawes '24" tramp stamp.

[Dude!]

Seriously...did anyone get a Wendell Willkie tattoo in 1940?

i heard you got a jimmy carter
on your left butt cheek

[epo]

i heard you got a jimmy carter
on your left butt cheek

Didn't you get that Bob Dole tattoo on your penis?

[Dude!]

Didn't you get that Bob Dole tattoo on your penis?

oh yeah, I forgot you saw that
when you were blowing me

[razorboy]

oh yeah, I forgot you saw that
when you were blowing me

Oh snap!

You totally got him by intimating that you enjoy receiving oral sex from epo.

Wait...

[keithy_19]

Didn't you get that Bob Dole tattoo on your penis?

How would one get that tattoo? I mean, I can't see it be done when your flaccid and when your erect I imagine the bleeding would be far too profuse. And when would the full image be seen? When you're at rest or when you're excited? I have so many questions about dick tattoos.

[Dude!]

How would one get that tattoo? I mean, I can't see it be done when your flaccid and when your erect I imagine the bleeding would be far too profuse. And when would the full image be seen? When you're at rest or when you're excited? I have so many questions about dick tattoos.

so if you wanna see
my Bob Dole, just ask
instead of 'beating round the bush'

the most delightful thing about it
is that as my flaccid penis becomes erect
Bob Dole's gimpy hand
becomes full and functional

[A.J.]

The world questions his sanity for getting the tattoo in the first place.

Seriously...did anyone get a Wendell Willkie tattoo in 1940?

The closest thing to that was there was a kid I went to high school whose father was named "Wendell" as a baby after Wendell Wilkie. The kid, a junior, then also inherited that name.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mitt has a new gig


He is on the board of directors for Marriott

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pay up Bytchezzzz


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/12/06/howard_dean_the_truth_is_everybody_needs_to_pay_mo re_taxes_not_just_the_rich-comments.html

[Kevin]

Mitt has a new gig


He is on the board of directors for Marriott

The Marriott should be going bankrupt in 3...2....

[Judge Smails]

http://i.imgur.com/Az3Ar.gif

[epo]

Nice to see Michigan acting crazy and fucking over workers.

Get ready for the protests...

[Dude!]

Nice to see Michigan acting crazy and fucking over workers.

Get ready for the protests...

um, didn't the voters
already take care of this
in November: 58 - 42

or are you talking about
something other than unions?

[epo]

um, didn't the voters
already take care of this
in November: 58 - 42

or are you talking about
something other than unions?

You are correct that the voters in Michigan did not enshrine collective bargaining rights within their constitution. However that does not justify that batshit insane Governor for attempting to pass right-to-work (for less) legislation.

[A.J.]

http://i.imgur.com/Az3Ar.gif

Michelle doesn't want you eating that crap!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

UE Rate lowest since 12/08


Heres the kicker. 500K Dropped out


Also heres more info on labor participation


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-07/number-workers-aged-25-54-back-april-1997-levels


Some recovery

[brettmojo]

UE Rate lowest since 12/08


Heres the kicker. 500K Dropped out


Also heres more info on labor participation


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-07/number-workers-aged-25-54-back-april-1997-levels


Some recovery

Stop hating America... America hater.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love America


Americans. Not as much