Obama - Worst President Ever?

[underdog]

his integrity has started to look
nixon-like, or lbj-like

If you expect a politician to have integrity, then you deserve whatever horribleness you think exists.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I expect him to at least fake it.

[Dude!]

I expect him to at least fake it.

NO
that is what he did
and part of the reason
he is now in such deep trouble

people don't like to be fooled

[Serpico1103]

NO
that is what he did
and part of the reason
he is now in such deep trouble

people don't like to be fooled

People love to be fooled.
When was the last politician with real principle? One willing to lose his office based on doing what was right, regardless of popularity.

People complain about being fooled, but then repeat the same behavior.

[deliciousV]

here is how the Obama plan to stop forclosures really works, nice of them to leave such lucrative loopholes. http://iamfacingforeclosure.com/blog/2009/12/01/anatomy-of-a-government-abetteded-fraud-why-indymaconewest-always-forecloses/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Took Bush 8 yrs to raise the debt from 5-10 trillion, And what does BHO and Congress want? MORE FUCKING DEBT!!!!! Be aware that it was raised to 12 trillion only a couple of months ago. Dont worry though its that top 5% who will pay


http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/nd-updatedems-seek--trillion-increase-borrowing-cap-sources/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxbusiness%2Flatest+%28Text+-+Latest+News%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

[Serpico1103]

Took Bush 8 yrs to raise the debt from 5-10 trillion, And what does BHO and Congress want? MORE FUCKING DEBT!!!!! Be aware that it was raised to 12 trillion only a couple of months ago. Dont worry though its that top 5% who will pay


http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/nd-updatedems-seek--trillion-increase-borrowing-cap-sources/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxbusiness%2Flatest+%28Text+-+Latest+News%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

Politicians found out that voters don't care about debt, so they keep increasing it.
I think Cheney was the first to articulate that position.
No new taxes, abortion, gun rights, gay marriage- these things get people to the polls.
Balancing the budget- eh, who cares.

[Zorro]

Politicians found out that voters don't care about debt, so they keep increasing it.
I think Cheney was the first to articulate that position.
No new taxes, abortion, gun rights, gay marriage- these things get people to the polls.
Balancing the budget- eh, who cares.

Jesus...What didn't Cheney do?

[Serpico1103]

Jesus...What didn't Cheney do?

O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.

What didn't he do? Serve in the military during the Vietnam war.

[opie's twisted balls]

Jesus...What didn't Cheney do?
Dick did everything, he was perfect :wub:

[underdog]

Jesus...What didn't Cheney do?

Not shoot someone in the face.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.

What didn't he do? Serve in the military during the Vietnam war.

Just like him?

http://www.cnn.co.jp/campaign2008/images/biden.jpg

[Serpico1103]

Just like him?

http://www.cnn.co.jp/campaign2008/images/biden.jpg

Is Biden a chicken hawk?
I don't think service is necessary, or even important. Just find it funny that all the Bush pro-war people never served.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is Biden a chicken hawk?
I don't think service is necessary, or even important. Just find it funny that all the Bush pro-war people never served.

I guess Colin Powell served almost 30 years in the Boy scouts?

[Serpico1103]

I guess Colin Powell served almost 30 years in the Boy scouts?

And he is the only one sorry about his involvement with the Bush nonsense.

Are you making this a battle between Obama and Bush?

You brought up deficits. I agree they are a problem. I pointed out that Cheney knew deficits were not a voter concern. So, ever since, politicians have not been concerned with controlling them. So, yes, your guys (Bush, Cheney) are horrible monsters. Obama (not my guy, wished McCain would have been forced to deal with this mess) is the best president ever.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And he is the only one sorry about his involvement with the Bush nonsense.

Are you making this a battle between Obama and Bush?

You brought up deficits. I agree they are a problem. I pointed out that Cheney knew deficits were not a voter concern. So, ever since, politicians have not been concerned with controlling them. So, yes, your guys (Bush, Cheney) are horrible monsters. Obama (not my guy, wished McCain would have been forced to deal with this mess) is the best president ever.

When communist countries like china are worried then it is a problem. The interest alone is something to be concerned about. Once again its not the so called rich who make 250G's that will be paying

[Serpico1103]

When communist countries like china are worried then it is a problem. The interest alone is something to be concerned about. Once again its not the so called rich who make 250G's that will be paying

I agree. Instead of complaining about welfare costs and building up a WWII style military we should have been protecting ourselves monetarily.
Poor people suffer the most as always. Yes, they pay less taxes, but they will receive less services that they depend on.
Of course, when the poor unplug from the matrix, wake up, and revolt, then the rich may suffer.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Business as usual in the Beltway. Barry was supposed to end this. HAAAAAAAA


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/25/obama-administration-steers-lucrative-bid-contract-afghan-work-dem-donor/

[Serpico1103]

Business as usual in the Beltway. Barry was supposed to end this. HAAAAAAAA

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/25/obama-administration-steers-lucrative-bid-contract-afghan-work-dem-donor/

I assume you are angry at your party for putting up such a horrible ticket that allowed Barak Obama to win.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I assume you are angry at your party for putting up such a horrible ticket that allowed Barak Obama to win.

I didn't support the old Maverick

[Serpico1103]

I didn't support the old Maverick

So, you see that your party failed you?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, you see that your party failed you?

I dont belong to that party. Im a Libertarian. Back to Obama. Exactly this time last year there was so much Optimism, Barry was a popular President eager and Anxious and the man who was expected to save America. Fast forward to today and things have not gotten better. The economy is still in a tailspin. People say give him time. Well its been a year and look at the results. The beltway is still a swamp infested with lobbyists and special interests

[Serpico1103]

I dont belong to that party. Im a Libertarian. Back to Obama. Exactly this time last year there was so much Optimism, Barry was a popular President eager and Anxious and the man who was expected to save America. Fast forward to today and things have not gotten better. The economy is still in a tailspin. People say give him time. Well its been a year and look at the results. The beltway is still a swamp infested with lobbyists and special interests

Libertarian= too cool for the room Republican.

Anyone who thought he would change Washington is a fool, including Barack himself.
Maybe things would be different if he didn't have all these problems and could focus on "changing" Washington. But, I think Washington changes you, you don't change Washington.

Most politicians are loyal to staying in office, regardless of the what positions or actions they must take to ensure that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

[QUOTE=Serpico1103;2658859]Libertarian= too cool for the room Republican.

Yes dead weight like McCain, Crist, Graham, Collins , Newt and others

[Serpico1103]

[QUOTE=Serpico1103;2658859]Libertarian= too cool for the room Republican.

Yes dead weight like McCain, Crist, Graham, Collins , Newt and others

?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

[QUOTE=WRESTLINGFAN;2658872]

?

Yes, actually people who want smaller government, the true conservatives. We arent tied to the religious right or evangelicals or the country club rank and file Republicans

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who is this dope kidding?


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/77897-obama-says-he-would-rather-be-really-good-one-term-president

[Bob Impact]

[QUOTE=Serpico1103;2658879]

Yes, actually people who want smaller government, the true conservatives. We arent tied to the religious right or evangelicals or the country club rank and file Republicans

^
I don't identify as a libertarian but they represent my core beliefs far better than either of the two parties.

[Bob Impact]

Who is this dope kidding?


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/77897-obama-says-he-would-rather-be-really-good-one-term-president

If he was a really good one term president... wouldn't he... never mind, my head hurts.

[Serpico1103]

[QUOTE=Serpico1103;2658879]

Yes, actually people who want smaller government, the true conservatives. We arent tied to the religious right or evangelicals or the country club rank and file Republicans

Conservatives I accept. Unfortunately, they let the religious right and corporations take over the party. Republicans want a large government, except they want it to serve corporate interests, instead of the Dems who want a large government to serve individuals.

The Republicans don't seem to be changing as they picked a religious wacko for VP.
Obama said the right things, but Washington is too seductive.
I am always hoping for 20 or more years of Republicans so we can have a real revolution; looting and all.

[Bob Impact]

[QUOTE=WRESTLINGFAN;2658883]

Conservatives I accept. Unfortunately, they let the religious right and corporations take over the party. Republicans want a large government, except they want it to serve corporate interests, instead of the Dems who want a large government to serve individuals.

The Republicans don't seem to be changing as they picked a religious wacko for VP.
Obama said the right things, but Washington is too seductive.
I am always hoping for 20 or more years of Republicans so we can have a real revolution; looting and all.

Democrats want as little to do with serving individuals as Republicans do.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Someone sounds brash

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0110/Berry_Obama_said_big_difference_between_10_and_94_ is_me.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

These dopes can't even get the numbers right for the amount of jobs created or saved, or is it saved or created?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31914.html

[LordJezo]

there was almost an all out riot at the gym today. tim geithner was on the tv in the locker room and people were yelling and screaming at him being a criminal. i wanted to change the channel but everyone said to keep it on because it would enrage them and make them have a harder workout.

[Serpico1103]

there was almost an all out riot(LIE) at the gym today. tim geithner was on the tv in the locker room(LIE) and people were yelling and screaming at him being a criminal(LIE). i wanted to change the channel(LIE) but everyone said to keep it on(LIE) because it would enrage them and make them have a harder workout.

What gym do you go to? Honestly.

[LordJezo]

What gym do you go to? Honestly.

One right here in New Jersey. CNBC (CSPAN? one of those) was on with the live proceedings on capitol hill were on.

Got a free shake today after I did my squats because my birthday is on Friday.

But everything I posted was true. I picked up the remote to change it to News 12 NJ and was told to stop because the stuff that was on was firing people up. Sucks you don't believe that people out there get angry at the current state of our government.

[Serpico1103]

One right here in New Jersey. CNBC (CSPAN? one of those) was on with the live proceedings on capitol hill were on.

Got a free shake today after I did my squats because my birthday is on Friday.

But everything I posted was true. I picked up the remote to change it to News 12 NJ and was told to stop because the stuff that was on was firing people up. Sucks you don't believe that people out there get angry at the current state of our government.

I have never been to a gym where there is a TV in the locker room. I have never been to a gym where there is a remote lying around for the TVs.
I believe people are angry.
I don't believe your tales of angry gym go-ers getting fired up over c-span before pumping iron.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lets see how many times Barry brings up The past 8 years, or how many jobs he saved or created, or created or saved. Lets see how many times he mentions the "succsss" of the stimulus.

[Serpico1103]

Lets see how many times Barry brings up The past 8 years, or how many jobs he saved or created, or created or saved. Lets see how many times he mentions the "succsss" of the stimulus.

Are you intentionally trying to belittle the Great Barack Hussein Obama by calling him Barry? Sad.

Is the past irrelevant to the future?

Does the stimulus succsss?

[LordJezo]

I have never been to a gym where there is a TV in the locker room. I have never been to a gym where there is a remote lying around for the TVs.

Just must be going to some shitty gyms. Ours has two flat panel LCDs and a couch in the locker room.

[Serpico1103]

Just must be going to some shitty gyms. Ours has two flat panel LCDs and a couch in the locker room.

Equinox and NYSC, not shitty gyms.
But, your gym sounds like an elitist ivory tower gym.

So, where was the remote lying before you grabbed it to change the channel? On top of the martini bar?

[underdog]

Just must be going to some shitty gyms. Ours has two flat panel LCDs and a couch in the locker room.

And a bunch of holes in the stall walls.

[Jujubees2]

One right here in New Jersey. CNBC (CSPAN? one of those) was on with the live proceedings on capitol hill were on.

Got a free shake today after I did my squats because my birthday is on Friday.

But everything I posted was true. I picked up the remote to change it to News 12 NJ and was told to stop because the stuff that was on was firing people up. Sucks you don't believe that people out there get angry at the current state of our government.

Are you talking about a handjob from one of your locker room buddies?

[Serpico1103]

Just must be going to some shitty gyms. Ours has two flat panel LCDs and a couch in the locker room.

Important features of a gym. Not weights, not treadmills, not rowers, not machines, no! TVs, couches, and birthday shakes. That is what makes a great gym. And a gym full of right wing conspiracy nuts who some how manage to fit in a workout while gossiping about the NWO and illuminati.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Are you intentionally trying to belittle the Great Barack Hussein Obama by calling him Barry? Sad.

Is the past irrelevant to the future?

Does the stimulus succsss?

He was known as Barry.

The line is old

Millions of jobs lost, unemployment still at 17%, massive debt and deficits. MAJOR FAIL

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/27/news/economy/stimulus-but-no-jobs/index.htm?section=money_latest

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/27/stimulus.poll/index.html?section=cnn_latest

[LordJezo]

So, where was the remote lying before you grabbed it to change the channel? On top of the martini bar?

Hangs from a string that's connected to the TV.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh how the O Bots wish it was still '08


http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/26/obamas-honeymoon-with-media-is-history/

[Misteriosa]

im putting this in the best and the worst.

its the HuffPost SotU 2010 Drinking game:


Event
Obama says "let me be clear" - Do one shot
Obama says "change isn't easy" Do one shot
Obama says "make no mistake" Do one shot
Obama says "Let me be clear, change isn't easy, make no mistake." He's screwing with you to get you drunk, so five shots
Joe Wilson yells something Do two shots
Obama yells back Finish the bottle
Obama says "jobs" Do one shot, two if you're unemployed
Obama says "health care" Do not drink, you will not be given a replacement liver
Nancy Pelosi claps like a seal
Do one shot
Nancy Pelosi becomes a seal STOP DRINKING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
Obama mentions Bo Put beer in your dog's water bowl
Michelle Obama wears a slinky dress Go immediately to the HuffPost Style page for close-ups
Joe Biden nods-off/laughs inappropriately/starts talking before the speech is over Do three shots
Obama uses the term "Congressional leadership" Do two shots carefully as all that laughing will make it difficult to swallow
Obama says he's "fighting for you" Do one shot, two if you believe him
Obama mentions Haiti Text “Haiti” to the number 90999 and donate $10 to the Red Cross

[Serpico1103]

Hangs from a string that's connected to the TV.

I believe your "Death ray caused Haiti earthquake" theory more than I believe there is a string holding the remote.

[Serpico1103]

He was known as Barry.
The line is old
Millions of jobs lost, unemployment still at 17%, massive debt and deficits. MAJOR FAIL
http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/27/news/economy/stimulus-but-no-jobs/index.htm?section=money_latest
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/27/stimulus.poll/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Was known as Barry. Trying to not let him grow up. Still sad.

I wish there was a libertarian in there. One to show us how without government interference, individuals and corporations would work toward the common good. Oh, I wish.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was known as Barry. Trying to not let him grow up. Still sad.

I wish there was a libertarian in there. One to show us how without government interference, individuals and corporations would work toward the common good. Oh, I wish.

So we cant say Barack Hussein, Barry is off limits, what shall we call him? The mojo isnt there. Thats why he is bringing back David Plouffe, but its not going to work this time. I know youre sticking to your man, but his agenda isnt working. Are things really better than this time last year?


Ever hear of "the government that governs least, governs best"

[Serpico1103]

So we cant say Barack Hussein, Barry is off limits, what shall we call him? The mojo isnt there. Thats why he is bringing back David Plouffe, but its not going to work this time. I know youre sticking to your man, but his agenda isnt working. Are things really better than this time last year?
Ever hear of "the government that governs least, governs best"

You can say what you want. I am asking, why you say "barry." Is it your super-creative way of belittling him?

Are we better now? No. But is it your childish mentality that we need to be better immediately or everything is not working?
I guess you want quick fixes. Wow, real surprise this country is fucked.

Have I read a bumper sticker? Yes. Do I think it makes a true statement? No. Is anarchy governing the least?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You can say what you want. I am asking, why you say "barry." Is it your super-creative way of belittling him?

Are we better now? No. But is it your childish mentality that we need to be better immediately or everything is not working?
I guess you want quick fixes. Wow, real surprise this country is fucked.

Have I read a bumper sticker? Yes. Do I think it makes a true statement? No. Is anarchy governing the least?

How much more time do you want us to give your hero? Is your childish view of him that he personally rescued the economy so stuck in your head youre not seeing reality?

People said that Dubya was stubborn but BHO is just as stubborn. He had to push this healthcare agenda thru, All his 140+ TV appearances/interviews the permanent campaign mode. Its endless

The man is over his head, face it. e's losing indy's, theres infighting in the Democratic party especially the hard left. Hope and Change is a distant memory.

Anarchy=No government. I want limited gov't

[Serpico1103]

How much more time do you want us to give your hero? Is your childish view of him that he personally rescued the economy so stuck in your head youre not seeing reality?
People said that Dubya was stubborn but BHO is just as stubborn. He had to push this healthcare agenda thru, All his 140+ TV appearances/interviews the permanent campaign mode. Its endless
The man is over his head, face it. e's losing indy's, theres infighting in the Democratic party especially the hard left. Hope and Change is a distant memory.
Anarchy=No government. I want limited gov't

I am not/never was a BHO fan. He tries to appease instead of just doing what is necessary, fuck re-election hopes, fuck public opinion polls, fuck biased commentators pretending to be journalists.

We have a limited government. Your position is it should be limited more. No one wants more government intervention than is necessary. The question is always what is necessary.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I am not/never was a BHO fan. He tries to appease instead of just doing what is necessary, fuck re-election hopes, fuck public opinion polls, fuck biased commentators pretending to be journalists.

We have a limited government. Your position is it should be limited more. No one wants more government intervention than is necessary. The question is always what is necessary.

Obama, above all is a politician. He cares about public opinion, I honestly doublt that he isn't thinking about a 2nd term. Almost all Presidents do

[Serpico1103]

Obama, above all is a politician. He cares about public opinion, I honestly doublt that he isn't thinking about a 2nd term. Almost all Presidents do

I agree, and that is the problem. Unfortunately, people want nice quick solutions. Voters don't want to hear that to sustain two wars we need more tax revenue. Voters don't want to hear that this economic crisis will not have a quick or easy end.
You have to be a politician to win the office, but than we are stuck with a politician.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Whats the chances of BHO pulling an LBJ ?

[Dude!]

Whats the chances of BHO pulling an LBJ ?

ok but that happened
in march of the election year

so, that would be march '12

[keithy_19]

This doesn't really apply to the thread, but I can't stand Nancy Pelosi. The way she leaps when she applauds. Just bothers me.

[Dude!]

This doesn't really apply to the thread, but I can't stand Nancy Pelosi. The way she leaps when she applauds. Just bothers me.

i think we can build
a bipartisan consensus
around that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i think we can build
a bipartisan consensus
around that

We should start a Pelosi worst Speaker ever thread

[Penelope]

I don't think Joe Biden is even paying attention to what Obama is saying. He just starts clapping every time the president pauses.

[A.J.]

Whats the chances of BHO pulling an LBJ ?

There are no more Kennedys left to kill.

[Syd]

Ever hear of "the government that governs least, governs best"

I've never heard of it, but then again all I hear is the sound of the economy crashing from lack of dutiful regulation.

[LordJezo]

i think we can build
a bipartisan consensus
around that

i wish you could build a keyboard without an enter key

[Serpico1103]

i wish you could build a keyboard without an enter key

It's
hi
s
styl
e
of
post
ing.
As
mentio
ning
gym
s
is
yo
urs.

[LordJezo]

It's
hi
s
styl
e
of
post
ing.
As
mentio
ning
gym
s
is
yo
urs.

Yeah except the gym is a real place, his posting style is some kind of annoying high art that he does for no other reason than to look special and set him apart from others on the board. It's not the content that makes people notice him, it's his goofy posting style. It's like those idiots who make sure to color the text of every one of their posts.

I was thinking about you today in the locker room as I looked at the remote hanging from a string for the tv.

[Dude!]

I was thinking about you today in the locker room as I looked at the remote hanging from a string for the tv.

i thought about you yesterday
when i saw a woman
with a really fat back

[Serpico1103]

Yeah except the gym is a real place, his posting style is some kind of annoying high art that he does for no other reason than to look special and set him apart from others on the board. It's not the content that makes people notice him, it's his goofy posting style. It's like those idiots who make sure to color the text of every one of their posts.

I was thinking about you today in the locker room as I looked at the remote hanging from a string for the tv.

:wub:

I agree about his posting "style." Sad and childish.

I know gyms are real. However, I don't think your gym conversations are.

You must be the Mr. Universe of the conspiracy world with your perfect gym attendance.

[underdog]

i thought about you yesterday
when i saw a woman
with a really fat back

This is why I like Dude!. :lol:

[Serpico1103]

i thought about you yesterday
when i saw a woman
with a really fat back

How is your mom?

[foodcourtdruide]

:wub:

I agree about his posting "style." Sad and childish.

I know gyms are real. However, I don't think your gym conversations are.

You must be the Mr. Universe of the conspiracy world with your perfect gym attendance.

I do not believe in gyms, however I do believe Jezo's stories.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought Larry Summers was the one who would get caught dozin off


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/01/obamas-first-sotu.php?img=5

Whats with the Kim Jung Il outfit she was wearing?

[Serpico1103]

I thought Larry Summers was the one who would get caught dozin off


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/01/obamas-first-sotu.php?img=5

Whats with the Kim Jung Il outfit she was wearing?

Another still picture Republican coup. When will hayseeds learn that a still picture doesn't tell an accurate story.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another still picture Republican coup. When will hayseeds learn that a still picture doesn't tell an accurate story.

No wonder she couldnt keep illiterate peasants from taking over Arizona, she was always asleep at the wheel.

Maybe she was in deep thought on how to stop the next attack? You O'Bots will come up with every excuse in the book

Fairfield County CT is not Hayseed territory. Is there no one in this administration you won't carry water for? Why not let Geithner do your taxes?

[razorboy]

He made driving in South Tampa a bitch today.

[Serpico1103]

No wonder she couldnt keep illiterate peasants from taking over Arizona, she was always asleep at the wheel.

Maybe she was in deep thought on how to stop the next attack? You O'Bots will come up with every excuse in the book

Fairfield County CT is not Hayseed territory. Is there no one in this administration you won't carry water for? Why not let Geithner do your taxes?

You are a one trick pony. I did not defend her or BHO. But, does that mean I have attack them for every breath they take?
Oh yeah, it does if I am some delusional libertarian who thinks illegals are the biggest problem we face.
By the way, any where a hayseed lives is hayseed territory. If you think that from that picture you can tell she was snoozing; Welcome to Hayseed USA.

Less government MMAANNN, I am an individual who needs to be free from government regulation MMAANNNN, I do not need a government mothering me, protecting me, MMAANNNN. I need to be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are a one trick pony. I did not defend her or BHO. But, does that mean I have attack them for every breath they take?
Oh yeah, it does if I am some delusional libertarian who thinks illegals are the biggest problem we face.
By the way, any where a hayseed lives is hayseed territory. If you think that from that picture you can tell she was snoozing; Welcome to Hayseed USA.

Less government MMAANNN, I am an individual who needs to be free from government regulation MMAANNNN, I do not need a government mothering me, protecting me, MMAANNNN. I need to be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the hell was she doing? Resting her eyes? How about Larry Summers who always dozes off? How about when Uncle Teddy during his snoozes at the state of the Union was he just gathering his thoughts on what his choice of scotch is?

We need government to coddle us from womb to tomb, we can't think for ourselves. we need Pelosi and Reid to form a FNMA/Freddie Mac type of overleveraged healthcare plan please Nancy and Harry Rescue us. Come on Schumer, you are all knowing and you will guide us.

Sure lets let in ever poor sap into the country and ever increase the already out of control entitlement programs, just give it to non english speaking people. Better yet, print the literature in their native language.



REPEAT AFTER ME!!! ALL POWER TO THE RECIPIENTS!! DAMN THE TAXPAYER!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sorry Barry, you can fool some of the people some of the time



http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/fact-check-obama-and-a-toothless-commission-198652.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Last nights SOTU was long drawn out and as usual the same old lines of blaming the GOP and the past 8 years. The man is losing ground more and more, an electorate mostly people who wanted change were duped. Obama isn't changing anything. He is unable to fix Washington DC. Everything he promised has not come true. His tirade about the SCOTUS decisions exposed him for the fraud he is. Goldman Sachs bankrolled his campaign.

[Serpico1103]

What the hell was she doing? Resting her eyes? How about Larry Summers who always dozes off? How about when Uncle Teddy during his snoozes at the state of the Union was he just gathering his thoughts on what his choice of scotch is?
We need government to coddle us from womb to tomb, we can't think for ourselves. we need Pelosi and Reid to form a FNMA/Freddie Mac type of overleveraged healthcare plan please Nancy and Harry Rescue us. Come on Schumer, you are all knowing and you will guide us.
Sure lets let in ever poor sap into the country and ever increase the already out of control entitlement programs, just give it to non english speaking people. Better yet, print the literature in their native language.
REPEAT AFTER ME!!! ALL POWER TO THE RECIPIENTS!! DAMN THE TAXPAYER!!!!

More surprises from you.
You claim to be a libertarian, but you seem to only focus your attacks on Democrats.
I know both parties only serve themselves. You seem to align with the Republicans, despite your weak denials.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More surprises from you.
You claim to be a libertarian, but you seem to only focus your attacks on Democrats.
I know both parties only serve themselves. You seem to align with the Republicans, despite your weak denials.

Please go back and see my criticisms of Bush, McCain, Snowe, Crist and the country club republicans

[underdog]

Please go back and see my criticisms of Bush, McCain, Snowe, Crist and the country club republicans

Where?

[foodcourtdruide]

Please go back and see my criticisms of Bush, McCain, Snowe, Crist and the country club republicans

You have 3,323 posts. How many would you say are dedicated to criticism of those mentioned? 2?

How many are dedicated to typical republican ideas? 3,000?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You have 3,323 posts. How many would you say are dedicated to criticism of those mentioned? 2?

How many are dedicated to typical republican ideas? 3,000?

Did you even bother reading where i stated that i WAS a republican?

On Immigration, TARP , Spending etc. I have criticized them

The religious right and evangelicals don't get a free pass either!!!!!

[Serpico1103]

Please go back and see my criticisms of Bush, McCain, Snowe, Crist and the country club republicans
Yeah, you attack the republicans as much as hannity does. U are a republican who was embarrassed by gwb. But no one is fooled by your denials. I know, you and bill o'reilly are independents.

[foodcourtdruide]

Did you even bother reading where i stated that i WAS a republican?

On Immigration, TARP , Spending etc. I have criticized them

The religious right and evangelicals don't get a free pass either!!!!!

I thought I've heard you say you're a libertarian on here?

Actually, the religious right and evangelicals do get a pass. Because you never talk about them.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, you attack the republicans as much as hannity does. U are a republican who was embarrassed by gwb. But no one is fooled by your denials. I know, you and bill o'reilly are independents.

I attack anyone who believes in excessive spending, open borders, who thinks God and religion are above the constitution (This goes out to you muslims too). People who think the federal government should be in every matter of our life.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought I've heard you say you're a libertarian on here?

Actually, the religious right and evangelicals do get a pass. Because you never talk about them.

Who says they get a pass. Phelps, Robertson, people who bomb abortion clinics are open to criticism as well.

The Catholic Church for encouraging illegal aliens to come here is also a focus of criticism. Muslims who want footbaths paid for by taxdollars in public universities yup them too

[underdog]

Phelps, Robertson, people who bomb abortion clinics are open to criticism as well.

Whoa. You're really going out on a limb criticizing them.

[Serpico1103]

I attack anyone who believes in excessive spending, open borders, who thinks God and religion are above the constitution (This goes out to you muslims too). People who think the federal government should be in every matter of our life.
That is what u say but not what u do. You are a republican who hates that your party sold out their ideals. I believe in most democrat positions but I don't think democrat politicians do.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That is what u say but not what u do. You are a republican who hates that your party sold out their ideals. I believe in most democrat positions but I don't think democrat politicians do.

You think I voted for McCain?

[foodcourtdruide]

Who says they get a pass. Phelps, Robertson, people who bomb abortion clinics are open to criticism as well.



People who bomb abortion clinics are NOT the religious right. They are lunatics and criminals. The same can be said for Phelps.

[Serpico1103]

You think I voted for McCain?

He isn't enough of a cowboy for you. I would have thought about voting for him until he let palin on the ticket. How do you feel about changing the constitution to prevent gay marriages? Prayers in school? Ten coommanbdments on government property? Teaching creationism?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He isn't enough of a cowboy for you. I would have thought about voting for him until he let palin on the ticket. How do you feel about changing the constitution to prevent gay marriages? Prayers in school? Ten coommanbdments on government property? Teaching creationism?

Mr open borders McCain? HAAAAAAAAA

Gays wanna marry and serve in the military? Mazeltov!! im fine with that. Creationism , teach it in parochial schools. 10 commandments on gov't property as someone whos not too religious, no one is forcing anyone to follow christianity. I know that they have US Postage stamps for the Muslim holiday I think its called Eid. I have the choice not to purchase those stamps

[Serpico1103]

Mr open borders McCain? HAAAAAAAAA

Gays wanna marry and serve in the military? Mazeltov!! im fine with that. Creationism , teach it in parochial schools. 10 commandments on gov't property as someone whos not too religious, no one is forcing anyone to follow christianity. I know that they have US Postage stamps for the Muslim holiday I think its called Eid. I have the choice not to purchase those stamps
Pro-choice? Think feds should be involved with medical marijuana? Have a standing federal military? Feds tell states they can't make their own gun laws?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pro-choice? Think feds should be involved with medical marijuana? Have a standing federal military? Feds tell states they can't make their own gun laws?

Med marijuana, leave it up to the states, same thing with Abortion, however against late term unless the mothers health is in danger.

Marriage. States

Health Insurance. same as above

Heres what the constitution says about a military

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Gun laws. 2nd Ammendment.

[Serpico1103]

Med marijuana, leave it up to the states, same thing with Abortion, however against late term unless the mothers health is in danger.

Marriage. States

Health Insurance. same as above

Heres what the constitution says about a military

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Gun laws. 2nd Ammendment.
Thanks for the detailed analysis of the 2nd amendment. Even the nra acknowleges that the founding fathers and the courts for 200 years didn't apply the 2nd to the states. It wasn't incorporated until heller last year I think. Conservative judicial activism, like we saw with the 1st amendment recently and the commerce clause also under scalia. Supposed constitution literalists giving new meaning to the old document.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Thanks for the detailed analysis of the 2nd amendment. Even the nra acknowleges that the founding fathers and the courts for 200 years didn't apply the 2nd to the states. It wasn't incorporated until heller last year I think. Conservative judicial activism, like we saw with the 1st amendment recently and the commerce clause also under scalia. Supposed constitution literalists giving new meaning to the old document.

Whats there to explain about the 2nd ammendment. What part of KEEP and bear arms needs explaining in detail.

Heres Napolitanos explanation for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RbLbeGi8GM


The so called Constitutional Scholar in the oval Office just doesnt get it.

[Serpico1103]

Whats there to explain about the 2nd ammendment. What part of KEEP and bear arms needs explaining in detail.

Heres Napolitanos explanation for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RbLbeGi8GM


The so called Constitutional Scholar in the oval Office just doesnt get it.

What part of a federal constitution do you not understand? The amendments when written applied to the federal government, not the states. No part of the constitution applied to the states unless it specifically said so.
Where in the 2nd amendment does it say that states can not regulate guns?
"Prior to the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment and the development of the incorporation doctrine, in 1833 the Supreme Court held in Barron v. Baltimore that the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal, but not any State, government."

States have their own constitutions. The 2nd amendment did not, and should not apply to states. I love people who want a limited federal government except when the federal government supports their views.

More surprise a "libertarian" citing to Fox news. The 1st Amendment relates to people, not unions and corporations, so the simplification that the analyst puts on the subject will only be accepted by Fox news fanatical idiots.
WahWah. Obama gave his opinion during his state of the union speech. How dare he. The SCOTUS couldn't reply, that's not fair. WahWah.
That is why the system is that way. They don't need to reply. They don't need to win debates. They are isolated from that. But, Fox loves being the victim.

[west milly Tom]

What part of a federal constitution do you not understand? The amendments when written applied to the federal government, not the states. No part of the constitution applied to the states unless it specifically said so.
Where in the 2nd amendment does it say that states can not regulate guns?
"Prior to the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment and the development of the incorporation doctrine, in 1833 the Supreme Court held in Barron v. Baltimore that the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal, but not any State, government."

States have their own constitutions. The 2nd amendment did not, and should not apply to states. I love people who want a limited federal government except when the federal government supports their views.

More surprise a "libertarian" citing to Fox news. The 1st Amendment relates to people, not unions and corporations, so the simplification that the analyst puts on the subject will only be accepted by Fox news fanatical idiots.
WahWah. Obama gave his opinion during his state of the union speech. How dare he. The SCOTUS couldn't reply, that's not fair. WahWah.
That is why the system is that way. They don't need to reply. They don't need to win debates. They are isolated from that. But, Fox loves being the victim.

the second amendment shouldn't apply? That's an interesting point of view. Any others that shouldn't apply?

[scottinnj]

not the worst, but after a year, better then Bush, imo

[Serpico1103]

the second amendment shouldn't apply? That's an interesting point of view. Any others that shouldn't apply?

Until an activist court rules that the 2nd amendment is incorporated a constitutional originalist would not apply the 2nd to the states.
Until the 14th A was passed, 100 years after the Bill of Rights, none of the Amendments applied to the states.
If you want to argue with the founders, every congress for the first 100 years, the court for the first 100 years, go ahead. But don't claim it is what the founding fathers wanted.

I know crying "2nd amendment", to start and end every gun debate, is simple. But, it is incomplete if not wrong.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Until an activist court rules that the 2nd amendment is incorporated a constitutional originalist would not apply the 2nd to the states.
Until the 14th A was passed, 100 years after the Bill of Rights, none of the Amendments applied to the states.
If you want to argue with the founders, every congress for the first 100 years, the court for the first 100 years, go ahead. But don't claim it is what the founding fathers wanted.

I know crying "2nd amendment", to start and end every gun debate, is simple. But, it is incomplete if not wrong.

Whats needed to ratify an ammendment along with a supermajority in Both houses? 2/3 of the states


I rest my case

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What part of a federal constitution do you not understand? The amendments when written applied to the federal government, not the states. No part of the constitution applied to the states unless it specifically said so.
Where in the 2nd amendment does it say that states can not regulate guns?
"Prior to the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment and the development of the incorporation doctrine, in 1833 the Supreme Court held in Barron v. Baltimore that the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal, but not any State, government."

States have their own constitutions. The 2nd amendment did not, and should not apply to states. I love people who want a limited federal government except when the federal government supports their views.

More surprise a "libertarian" citing to Fox news. The 1st Amendment relates to people, not unions and corporations, so the simplification that the analyst puts on the subject will only be accepted by Fox news fanatical idiots.
WahWah. Obama gave his opinion during his state of the union speech. How dare he. The SCOTUS couldn't reply, that's not fair. WahWah.
That is why the system is that way. They don't need to reply. They don't need to win debates. They are isolated from that. But, Fox loves being the victim.

Napolitano doesnt know the law? Napolitano is a libertarian. I know you despise Fox but hes the expert. Also sorry to burst your bubble but the ACLU stands behind this too. Wahh wahhh boo hoo big bad Fox is the reason of all evil in the world. Someone protect me from Ruppert Murdoch

[Serpico1103]

Whats needed to ratify an ammendment along with a supermajority in Both houses? 2/3 of the states
I rest my case

What is your case? That every amendment applies to the states? Do some reading, start with incorporation.

Napolitano doesnt know the law? Napolitano is a libertarian. I know you despise Fox but hes the expert. Also sorry to burst your bubble but the ACLU stands behind this too. Wahh wahhh boo hoo big bad Fox is the reason of all evil in the world. Someone protect me from Ruppert Murdoch

Oh, another libertarian on Fox. When will you sissys admit you are Republicans who got fucked by your own party.
Being an expert doesn't mean you don't have an agenda.
He was crying foul because the SCOTUS couldn't respond. Why should they? They are isolated from popularity contests. If they did respond either than or later it would be embarrassing. I don't see why having the President make a comment during his speech is wrong. Because it is a break from the "game of politics?" Oh wait, that would be change. "Lets pretend we like each other while the cameras are on, then fuck each other when they turn off." Is that how it should work? Don't you appreciate his honesty?
I didn't see it as a big deal. But, I am glad he didn't pretend everything was fantastic. They hate each other's positions and they should voice it.

[Serpico1103]

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=5226

"As we reported last week, on November 16, the NRA filed its brief with the U.S. Supreme Court as Respondent in Support of Petitioner in McDonald v. City of Chicago. The NRA brief asks the U.S. Supreme Court to hold that the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments through the Fourteenth Amendment."

NRA understands it takes incorporation of the 2nd Amendment to make it apply to the states. It does not inherently apply.
Or is the NRA wrong?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What is your case? That every amendment applies to the states? Do some reading, start with incorporation.



Oh, another libertarian on Fox. When will you sissys admit you are Republicans who got fucked by your own party.
Being an expert doesn't mean you don't have an agenda.
He was crying foul because the SCOTUS couldn't respond. Why should they? They are isolated from popularity contests. If they did respond either than or later it would be embarrassing. I don't see why having the President make a comment during his speech is wrong. Because it is a break from the "game of politics?" Oh wait, that would be change. "Lets pretend we like each other while the cameras are on, then fuck each other when they turn off." Is that how it should work? Don't you appreciate his honesty?
I didn't see it as a big deal. But, I am glad he didn't pretend everything was fantastic. They hate each other's positions and they should voice it.

The states need to ratify the ammendments so yes every ammendment has some association with states.

Everyone who has an opinion has an agenda. You don't need to be a politician or pundit. Alito knocked Obama down to size when he replied thats not true. Does it really matter to you what affiliation we belong to? Anyone who opposes Obama generally speaking is against wealth redistribution and a nanny state mentality and needing the federal government to solve every problem. There are other factors that I dont necessarily agree with like pro life, opposing gay marriage etc. You Democrats want to stereotype anyone who's not a Democrat as a bible thumping religious zealot

[zildjian361]

[QUOTE=Gvac;2081756]I figure it's only a matter of time before people start shredding the new President and I wanted to be the one to start the thread.

Hey mods...can you sticky this?

THANKS!!![/QUOTE SEE

[zildjian361]

gas has already gone up in 45cents in the last month. it' a start.

MISS YA G $2.45 today Aint bad YANKEES 27 :clap::drunk:

[Serpico1103]

The states need to ratify the ammendments so yes every ammendment has some association with states.

Everyone who has an opinion has an agenda. You don't need to be a politician or pundit. Alito knocked Obama down to size when he replied thats not true. Does it really matter to you what affiliation we belong to? Anyone who opposes Obama generally speaking is against wealth redistribution and a nanny state mentality and needing the federal government to solve every problem. There are other factors that I dont necessarily agree with like pro life, opposing gay marriage etc. You Democrats want to stereotype anyone who's not a Democrat as a bible thumping religious zealot

Association with the states? I would say you were wrong if that statement wasn't a befuddling vagary.

I don't think all anti-democrats are religious nuts.
Since in many ways we have a regressive tax structure I don't see this great "wealth redistribution" that most poor and middle class republicans and "libertarians" are afraid.

Alito embarrassed himself by reacting. He showed that he can be affected by outside opinion. Something the court should not be.
But, maybe Obama will just increase the number of justices to 11, in an effort to get a friendly bench.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Association with the states? I would say you were wrong if that statement wasn't a befuddling vagary.

I don't think all anti-democrats are religious nuts.
Since in many ways we have a regressive tax structure I don't see this great "wealth redistribution" that most poor and middle class republicans and "libertarians" are afraid.

Alito embarrassed himself by reacting. He showed that he can be affected by outside opinion. Something the court should not be.
But, maybe Obama will just increase the number of justices to 11, in an effort to get a friendly bench.

He is compared to FDR so maybe he will try to stack the court

[epo]

He is compared to FDR so maybe he will try to stack the court

I wish he would, just to watch your reaction.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good analysis of the State of the Union ,on economics issues.


http://www.youtube.com/user/schiffreport?blend=1&ob=4&rclk=cti

[epo]

Good analysis of the State of the Union ,on economics issues.


http://www.youtube.com/user/schiffreport?blend=1&ob=4&rclk=cti

I'll take Peter Schiff seriously when he can beat Linda McMahon in the Senatorial primary.

[JimBeam]

Serpico, you seem to know a lot about the Constitution so I'd guess you studied it and I would not claim to be an expert on it but why would the 2nd Ammendmant not apply to the states yet all of there others would ?

Why wouldn't states be allowed to deny criminals due process in non-federal cases ?

Why couldn't they outlaw abortion altogether ?

Etc ....

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Serpico, you seem to know a lot about the Constitution so I'd guess you studied it and I would not claim to be an expert on it but why would the 2nd Ammendmant not apply to the states yet all of there others would ?

Why wouldn't states be allowed to deny criminals due process in non-federal cases ?

Why couldn't they outlaw abortion altogether ?

Etc ....

According to the 9th circuit. It does apply to the states.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4804

[Serpico1103]

Serpico, you seem to know a lot about the Constitution so I'd guess you studied it and I would not claim to be an expert on it but why would the 2nd Ammendmant not apply to the states yet all of there others would ?
Why wouldn't states be allowed to deny criminals due process in non-federal cases ?
Why couldn't they outlaw abortion altogether ?
Etc ....

It is the Federal Constitution. Mainly focused on the organization of the Federal government.
Unless the clause states that it applies to the states, it does not apply to the states.
That is a generality.
The Bill of Rights, first 10 amendments, did not apply to the states when written. States had their own "bill of rights" that granted citizens rights, but those rights were not identical to the federal bill of rights.
The founding fathers were worried about an oppressive federal government, not so much with the states.
However, after freeing the slaves, states would not recognize the rights of newly freed slaves, so the 14th amendment was passed to ensure states respect the rights of blacks.
After which, some of the rights in the bill of rights have been incorporated. Incorporation means that through either the due process clause or the PorI clause of the 14th A, some of the rights in the bill of rights now apply to state legislation.
However, every right in the bill of rights has not been incorporated. I am not sure which have and which haven't off the top of my head.
I think some states didn't have an amendment about "excessive bail." So, the citizens could not complain about excessive bail, even though the federal constitution prevented it. Because, the federal clause didn't apply to the states at that time.
This is all of the top of my head, so sorry if it is too basic and slightly off.
To be clear, I have no problem with all the rights in the federal Constitution to be applied against the states, however, the founding fathers did not foresee the bill of rights as applying to the states.

[Serpico1103]

According to the 9th circuit. It does apply to the states.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4804

Yes, the ninth circuit. Is the 9th circuit the supreme court? Why would the 9th circuit have to rule that way if the bill of rights always applied to the states?
BECAUSE IT DIDN'T.
Does it now? It seems that in the last year the supreme court has ruled that the 2nd A is incorporated. However, that was a radical ruling against precedent. Something you would call judicial activism.
My point is simple: THE BILL OF RIGHTS DID NOT APPLY TO THE STATES WHEN WRITTEN!!!!! That includes the 2nd amendment.

Do yourself a favor, read about "incorporation" so we can than move further into the discussion if you wish.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, the ninth circuit. Is the 9th circuit the supreme court? Why would the 9th circuit have to rule that way if the bill of rights always applied to the states?
BECAUSE IT DIDN'T.
Does it now? It seems that in the last year the supreme court has ruled that the 2nd A is incorporated. However, that was a radical ruling against precedent. Something you would call judicial activism.
My point is simple: THE BILL OF RIGHTS DID NOT APPLY TO THE STATES WHEN WRITTEN!!!!! That includes the 2nd amendment.

Do yourself a favor, read about "incorporation" so we can than move further into the discussion if you wish.


We can go back and forth on incorporation as previous rulings were overturned. The 2nd ammendment can not be as more basic as the words

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


The people can be referred to as the states. Furthermore a well regulated militia at the time wasnt the national guard

[Serpico1103]

We can go back and forth on incorporation as previous rulings were overturned. The 2nd ammendment can not be as more basic as the words
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The people can be referred to as the states. Furthermore a well regulated militia at the time wasnt the national guard

I am not getting into that nonsensical semantics debate.

"Prior to the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment and the development of the incorporation doctrine, in 1833 the Supreme Court held in Barron v. Baltimore that the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal, but not any State, government."

Is it your 2nd A right to keep and bear any arms you want?
So, automatic weapons, tanks, nuclear devices (all "arms") should be unregulated? Besides the 2nd A clearly contradicts most gun nut's stance. "Well-regulated militia", but most gun nuts fight EVERY regulation. How can you be "well regulated" but not have regulations. If the meaning is that simple.

You can spend a lifetime parsing the words. But, you can not deny that no supreme court, including those around when the constitution was written, has stated the 2nd A applies to states. Rulings in the last year have started to change that. But, again read about them, they are radical departures from previous rulings. Not exactly "conservative."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hold on to your wallets


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100201/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_budget

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Excellent article on how the Obama mojo is gone


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704094304575029110104772360.html

[badmonkey]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100128/capt.b07861589f354ce698c3bf88b741d692.obama_ny143. jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=3aEMwGV3ZwJbG._3sTjBpg--
It's the mayor of Tampa! Quick! Everybody bow to her highness! (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100128/480/b07861589f354ce698c3bf88b741d692/)

[A.J.]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100128/capt.b07861589f354ce698c3bf88b741d692.obama_ny143. jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=3aEMwGV3ZwJbG._3sTjBpg--
It's the mayor of Tampa! Quick! Everybody bow to her highness! (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100128/480/b07861589f354ce698c3bf88b741d692/)

He's meeting with Roger Sterling as well?

[Furtherman]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100128/capt.b07861589f354ce698c3bf88b741d692.obama_ny143. jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=3aEMwGV3ZwJbG._3sTjBpg--
It's the mayor of Tampa! Quick! Everybody bow to her highness! (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//100128/480/b07861589f354ce698c3bf88b741d692/)

Someone needs to wind him back up!

[badmonkey]

Someone needs to wind him back up!

I stand corrected. :)

[opie's twisted balls]

No bucks, no Buck Rogers (http://www.space.com/news/nasa-budget-moon-future-100201.html)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

5.7% GDP?

Not so fast. However the Obama lemmings will continue to believe the street hustler lawyer from Chicago and the media manipulator David Axelrod that the so called stimulus is working and the recession is over


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-02/roubini-sees-very-dismal-and-poor-u-s-expansion-update1-.html

[epo]

5.7% GDP?

Not so fast. However the Obama lemmings will continue to believe the street hustler lawyer from Chicago and the media manipulator David Axelrod that the so called stimulus is working and the recession is over


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-02/roubini-sees-very-dismal-and-poor-u-s-expansion-update1-.html

So we had factual growth and that isn't good enough for you? And you post some half-assed prediction as the reason why?

Nice.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So we had factual growth and that isn't good enough for you? And you post some half-assed prediction as the reason why?

Nice.

Factual growth? "growth" had a lot of transfer Payments. Roubini predicted this mess back in 2006 along with Schiff but the hacks at CNBC laughed at them and brushed them aside.

This 5.7% is a shellgame as it will probably have to be revised just like the one before which was 3.2% and revised to 2.7%

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Excellent article by Thomas Sowell on how he exposes Obama as just someone who throws numbers everywhere hoping it sticks.


http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2010/02/02/politicians_in_wonderland

[Serpico1103]

The recession is not over. The stimulus only slowed or stalled our downward spiral. And when will Obama start his own war? Stop taking credit for gwb's assault on the freedom haters.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The recession is not over. The stimulus only slowed or stalled our downward spiral. And when will Obama start his own war? Stop taking credit for gwb's assault on the freedom haters.

He's declared Jihad on the taxpayer and the productive members of society so the recipients can leech more

[Serpico1103]

He's declared Jihad on the taxpayer and the productive members of society so the recipients can leech more
Why would it be jihad and not war? Oh that's right, you are filled with hatred for all non-whites?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why would it be jihad and not war? Oh that's right, you are filled with hatred for all non-whites?

Easy there!!!! I was making fun of the fact that people think hes Muslim. Again, anyone who disagrees with BHO is a racist? I'd despise his policies if he was a WASP

He has a deep seething hatred for anyone who actually produces anything or finances the big bloated Gov't machine. 250K a year and youre on his enemies list.

[Ogre]

Why would it be jihad and not war? Oh that's right, you are filled with hatred for all non-whites?

Bait, attack, accuse and assign blame. Typical, your world is full of victims and villians.

[Serpico1103]

Easy there!!!! I was making fun of the fact that people think hes Muslim. Again, anyone who disagrees with BHO is a racist? I'd despise his policies if he was a WASP

He has a deep seething hatred for anyone who actually produces anything or finances the big bloated Gov't machine. 250K a year and youre on his enemies list.
Since the govt can't do anything right I am not worried. Now, if corporations put me on their hit list I will get scared.

[keithy_19]

Easy there!!!! I was making fun of the fact that people think hes Muslim. Again, anyone who disagrees with BHO is a racist? I'd despise his policies if he was a WASP


What if he were bee?

http://www.democraticstuff.com/common/images/products/large/BT24234-2.jpg

[Serpico1103]

Bait, attack, accuse and assign blame. Typical, your world is full of victims and villians.

I know. And your world is full of empowered individuals fighting back against adversity to improve their station in society, without ever encroaching on other people's interests.

*ignore the steel spring, enjoy the cheese*

[Recyclerz]

...He has a deep seething hatred for anyone who actually produces anything or finances the big bloated Gov't machine. 250K a year and youre on his enemies list.

This has to be a bit. I cannot believe this is a universe where somebody who has enough brain cells to enjoy Ron & Fez can type this crap with a straight face.

[underdog]

This has to be a bit. I cannot believe this is a universe where somebody who has enough brain cells to enjoy Ron & Fez can type this crap with a straight face.

Obama hates rich people.

Unless I'm bitching about something else Obama does. Then he loves rich people but hates poor people.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This has to be a bit. I cannot believe this is a universe where somebody who has enough brain cells to enjoy Ron & Fez can type this crap with a straight face.

In your universe anyone who listens to F&F HAS to support Obama?

The Rich love Obama, the poor do also because they are promised more goodies. Its the guy in the middle who gets fucked. 250k to you is wealthy? I cant believe this is a universe where u think thats rolling in dough.

To hell with the private sector but Guhb-mint expands

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/02/burgeoning-federal-payroll-signals-return-of-big-g/

[A.J.]

What if he were bee?

http://www.democraticstuff.com/common/images/products/large/BT24234-2.jpg

"The bee sting my bottom and now my bottom is big!!"

http://www.springfield-u.com/images/framegrabs/1F02/1F02-019.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

BEE Hussein Obama

I love it!!!!

[Syd]

The Rich love Obama, the poor do also because they are promised more goodies. Its the guy in the middle who gets fucked. 250k to you is wealthy? I cant believe this is a universe where u think thats rolling in dough.

$250k is top 2% income earners in the US. It's wealthy by any stretch. 98.5% of the US has to make due with less.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

$250k is top 2% income earners in the US. It's wealthy by any stretch. 98.5% of the US has to make due with less.

250k isnt what it used to be

http://www.businessweek.com/debateroom/archives/2008/08/250000_isnt_ric.html

[Syd]

250k isnt what it used to be

http://www.businessweek.com/debateroom/archives/2008/08/250000_isnt_ric.html

so if 250k ain't what it used to be, why should 98.5% of the rest of America have the tax burden shifted onto them?

all that link does is help further the argument that progressive taxation needs to make its return to America and the second Gilded Age must come to an end. Either line them up against the wall or get ready to be ground into dust by horrible tax policy.

[Serpico1103]

250k isnt what it used to be

http://www.businessweek.com/debateroom/archives/2008/08/250000_isnt_ric.html

The article tries to say they are not wealthy because the cost of living has risen. Yes. It has risen for everyone. They are wealthy compared to the majority of people.
If someone making 250K is affected by the rise in a loaf of bread they need to draw up a budget.
Besides. It would be a rise in the marginal tax rate. If you are making 250K, no increase. If you are making 300K, the increase will only be on the 50K over 250K, not the entire 300K. So, a 2% increase means someone making 300K will have to pay an extra 1K in taxes. OH NO! Someone making 400K, an extra 3K. Oh no. After all they are only making an extra 380K or so over the poverty line.
Please. Some how a large portion of the world makes do without running water or electricity. But, you don't see yourself as wealthy when you are making 250K+. You might need to reevaluate.

[Recyclerz]

In your universe anyone who listens to F&F HAS to support Obama?

The Rich love Obama, the poor do also because they are promised more goodies. Its the guy in the middle who gets fucked. 250k to you is wealthy? I cant believe this is a universe where u think thats rolling in dough.

To hell with the private sector but Guhb-mint expands

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/02/burgeoning-federal-payroll-signals-return-of-big-g/

I didn't say and didn't imply that being smart = supporting Obama. There are reasonable arguments that could be used to challenge his policy positions. But you're only repeating crazy talk assertions made by entertainers who are lining their pockets with the $ of the scared and gullible and are poisoning the well of political discourse.

As to how much you need to much to be rich Syd & Serpico have made good points. Admittedly the NY area is a high cost of living area and if you're making $250K and want to live like a hedge fund asshole or like Howard Stern then you are not going to feel "rich".
But I make a little less than half of that and I'm doing OK. And we're all going to be paying more taxes, probably a VAT, before the decade is out. Simple math will get you to that conclusion. And Dan Gross disagrees with you too. (http://www.slate.com/id/2243529/)

[opie's twisted balls]

$250k is top 2% income earners in the US. It's wealthy by any stretch. 98.5% of the US has to make due with less.
$250k/a is by no means "wealthy". Its solidly upper middle class but not uber rich. >$1m/a qualifies

[A.J.]

so if 250k ain't what it used to be, why should 98.5% of the rest of America have the tax burden shifted onto them?

But it's fair that 1.5% of America should pay for the other 98.5%?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

$250k/a is by no means "wealthy". Its solidly upper middle class but not uber rich. >$1m/a qualifies

The meaning of wealthy has been dumbed down. On the campaign trail in 2008 Bill Richardson said 120K a year is wealthy.


A family of 4 living anywhere in the Northeast on 250K/yr is not wealthy.

[Syd]

The meaning of wealthy has been dumbed down. On the campaign trail in 2008 Bill Richardson said 120K a year is wealthy.


A family of 4 living anywhere in the Northeast on 250K/yr is not wealthy.

What's wealthy then? $120k/year is 5x the poverty level of a 4 person family in Alaska (generally the highest cost of living in the US)

This is the beautiful thing about the anti-union stance that America has taken courtesy of its corporate sponsors. A great many people have been duped into thinking the petit-bourgeoisie, the non-doers of the nation, have earned themselves the incomes they have been given thanks to nepotism and classism. Meanwhile, the doers of the nation are scrapping by with less and less each year while profits continue to soar. Over the past 10 years now virtually all Americans save a few million have had their incomes stagnate so harshly that they were better off before the turn of the century than they were now. The continual erosion of progressive taxation, limited benefits from jobs and increasing cost of living have guaranteed that the American dream is indeed dead. The child you bring into this world will exit it no better off than you and by odds in a lower class. The caste system is back and it works so efficiently Indians are green with envy.

Continue barking about people those making $250k being "middle class". The only connection they have to them is that they leech off of the middle class like so many parasites on the corpse of a dying nation.

I know this will all be glanced over for throwing out terms like petit-bourgeoisie thanks to your indoctrination by your corporate sponsors but think about it for a bit at least. The people claiming to be middle class despite being not.

The more you realize how worse you are off compared to your parents in terms of future possibilities for advancement and in more short-sighted terms, actual disposable income, you'll realize the necessity of bringing back true progressive taxation.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What's wealthy then? $120k/year is 5x the poverty level of a 4 person family in Alaska (generally the highest cost of living in the US)

This is the beautiful thing about the anti-union stance that America has taken courtesy of its corporate sponsors. A great many people have been duped into thinking the petit-bourgeoisie, the non-doers of the nation, have earned themselves the incomes they have been given thanks to nepotism and classism. Meanwhile, the doers of the nation are scrapping by with less and less each year while profits continue to soar. Over the past 10 years now virtually all Americans save a few million have had their incomes stagnate so harshly that they were better off before the turn of the century than they were now. The continual erosion of progressive taxation, limited benefits from jobs and increasing cost of living have guaranteed that the American dream is indeed dead. The child you bring into this world will exit it no better off than you and by odds in a lower class. The caste system is back and it works so efficiently Indians are green with envy.

Continue barking about people those making $250k being "middle class". The only connection they have to them is that they leech off of the middle class like so many parasites on the corpse of a dying nation.

I know this will all be glanced over for throwing out terms like petit-bourgeoisie thanks to your indoctrination by your corporate sponsors but think about it for a bit at least. The people claiming to be middle class despite being not.

The more you realize how worse you are off compared to your parents in terms of future possibilities for advancement and in more short-sighted terms, actual disposable income, you'll realize the necessity of bringing back true progressive taxation.


An ever expanded recipient class isn't a factor to you as they are leeching off the system as well as 20 million illegal aliens who are not contributing to our society? Bloated bureaucracies with millions of unproductive pencil pushers with gold plated benefits all courtesy of the taxpayer also isn't a problem? Look how many assistants to the assistants there are. The so called war on poverty has not produced anything except for trillions sucked out of the taxpayer to feed a nanny state. Wealth redistribution from productive members of society to the non contributors over the course of a few decades has helped caused this tailspin. But don't worry, the Government will always be there to coddle and protect you.


You can rant all you want about the taxpayer but its us, who are taking it in the gut. The recipients have nothing to worry about as they are comfortable in their status.

[Syd]

The meaning of wealthy has been dumbed down. On the campaign trail in 2008 Bill Richardson said 120K a year is wealthy.


A family of 4 living anywhere in the Northeast on 250K/yr is not wealthy.

There are 1.6m households in the US making greater than $250k/yr -- less than 2% of the total households in the US. So either virtually all of the people making more than $250k/year or you're GROSSLY exaggerating your claims because your corporate sponsors have told you. Fact of the matter is the median household income in the US is topped out in Maryland at around $70k/year. By region, the Northeast has a median household income of $48k. So, maybe it's time to rethink what class a family bringing home $250k/year belongs to. Hint: it ain't the middle, bub.

Face it: $250k/year is well off. If you're not able to succeed in living by those means then you're just another consumer whore that has zero understanding of finances. The vast majority of the US makes due with quite less and they should too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There are 1.6m households in the US making greater than $250k/yr -- less than 2% of the total households in the US. So either virtually all of the people making more than $250k/year or you're GROSSLY exaggerating your claims because your corporate sponsors have told you. Fact of the matter is the median household income in the US is topped out in Maryland at around $70k/year. By region, the Northeast has a median household income of $48k. So, maybe it's time to rethink what class a family bringing home $250k/year belongs to. Hint: it ain't the middle, bub.

Face it: $250k/year is well off. If you're not able to succeed in living by those means then you're just another consumer whore that has zero understanding of finances. The vast majority of the US makes due with quite less and they should too.

Whats your view of "well off" A teacher and fireman with 2 kids and a modest house, maybe goes on 1 vacation a year to Disneyworld? No one is saying that people should live outside their means.

Sure that scenario might be well off to some schlub living in subsidized housing with no responsibilities.

Well off is any top tier Athlete, Celebrity etc.

[Syd]

An ever expanded recipient class isn't a factor to you as they are leeching off the system as well as 20 million illegal aliens who are not contributing to our society? Bloated bureaucracies with millions of unproductive pencil pushers with gold plated benefits all courtesy of the taxpayer also isn't a problem? Look how many assistants to the assistants there are. The so called war on poverty has not produced anything except for trillions sucked out of the taxpayer to feed a nanny state. Wealth redistribution from productive members of society to the non contributors over the course of a few decades has helped caused this tailspin. But don't worry, the Government will always be there to coddle and protect you.


You can rant all you want about the taxpayer but its us, who are taking it in the gut. The recipients have nothing to worry about as they are comfortable in their status.

I don't disagree with your summary but I disagree with your details and nothing is going to change between you or I regarding that. The middle class is getting systematically fucked by the country. We're being moved away from productive roles in society for one reason or another but not given the assistance in terms of vocational training to do these jobs.

True, outsourcing gets a lot of flak and so does illegal immigration. The fact of the matter, however, is that automation is killing a lot of productive jobs in society. We'll need to adapt to servicing the automation -- which we ain't exactly able to. Too many people are brought in on H1bs denying Americans the assumed entitlement to work hard, study hard and get a good job. I'm no xenophobe but I have a very great issue with that. If there's one thing I'll agree with WF on is that massive immigration reform needs to come. My interest is in denying H1bs to allow the Americans that were able to make the attempt to climb the class ladder a chance at doing so.

[Syd]

Whats your view of "well off" A teacher and fireman with 2 kids and a modest house, maybe goes on 1 vacation a year to Disneyworld? No one is saying that people should live outside their means.

Sure that scenario might be well off to some schlub living in subsidized housing with no responsibilities.

Well off is any top tier Athlete, Celebrity etc.

My view of well off is anyone making above the median personal income for your race and gender in your immediate community. When you're able to make it better than a coin flip on whether you're doing financially better off than someone you see on the street you're at least succeeding. You're bringing UP the average.

[Serpico1103]

Whats your view of "well off" A teacher and fireman with 2 kids and a modest house, maybe goes on 1 vacation a year to Disneyworld? No one is saying that people should live outside their means.


If you are making 250K, with just kids, yes you can take a trip to disneyworld. What are your expenses for this "not wealthy" family?
Are the 4 car payments, 2 mortgages, nanny, country club memberships, and two mistresses cutting into their meager income?

Instead of say a 2% raise on 250K and above, would you be happy with a 10% raise on 500K and above?
Under that someone making a $1million (wealthy?) would pay an extra 50K. 50K extra on 500K of net income over 500K.

What is a modest house? 500K, 750K?
If you base all your criteria on the NE you are placing the blame for the NE's increased cost of living on the federal government.
If you are making 250K in the NE and don't feel comfortable. You have a choice to move. The same choice that some lazy immigrant has to take advantage of our system or stay in his homeland.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't disagree with your summary but I disagree with your details and nothing is going to change between you or I regarding that. The middle class is getting systematically fucked by the country. We're being moved away from productive roles in society for one reason or another but not given the assistance in terms of vocational training to do these jobs.

True, outsourcing gets a lot of flak and so does illegal immigration. The fact of the matter, however, is that automation is killing a lot of productive jobs in society. We'll need to adapt to servicing the automation -- which we ain't exactly able to. Too many people are brought in on H1bs denying Americans the assumed entitlement to work hard, study hard and get a good job. I'm no xenophobe but I have a very great issue with that. If there's one thing I'll agree with WF on is that massive immigration reform needs to come. My interest is in denying H1bs to allow the Americans that were able to make the attempt to climb the class ladder a chance at doing so.

One good way to help solve the immigration problem is to heavily tax all remittances to the home country. On average about 30 billion a year is sent out. Levy a 45% tax and thats a start

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you are making 250K, with just kids, yes you can take a trip to disneyworld. What are your expenses for this "not wealthy" family?
Are the 4 car payments, 2 mortgages, nanny, country club memberships, and two mistresses cutting into their meager income?

Instead of say a 2% raise on 250K and above, would you be happy with a 10% raise on 500K and above?
Under that someone making a $1million (wealthy?) would pay an extra 50K. 50K extra on 500K of net income over 500K.

What is a modest house? 500K, 750K?
If you base all your criteria on the NE you are placing the blame for the NE's increased cost of living on the federal government.
If you are making 250K in the NE and don't feel comfortable. You have a choice to move. The same choice that some lazy immigrant has to take advantage of our system or stay in his homeland.




No one ever said that a middle class/upper middle class isnt comfortable. A roof over the head, heat and running water is pretty damn comfortable, However its not living in total luxury, there are the occurances of replacing the boiler, leaky pipes etc.

Youre using extremes. What fireman or teacher generally speaking goes to a country club or pilates 3 times a week? If they can't pay their mortgage its their fault they are wasting money on stuff like that.

[Serpico1103]

No one ever said that a middle class/upper middle class isnt comfortable. A roof over the head, heat and running water is pretty damn comfortable, However its not living in total luxury, there are the occurances of replacing the boiler, leaky pipes etc.

Youre using extremes. What fireman or teacher generally speaking goes to a country club or pilates 3 times a week? If they can't pay their mortgage its their fault they are wasting money on stuff like that.

The firemen and teachers that make 250K, especially if they are outside the NYC metro area.

If you are making 250K and have to worry about leaky pipes, you have not planned properly, I should care about that, Mr. Sympathy?

I understand that if you make 250K for one year you are not "wealthy." But, you are well on your way. A 2% tax on the net over 250K will not stop or even materially slow that progression to wealth.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The firemen and teachers that make 250K, especially if they are outside the NYC metro area.

If you are making 250K and have to worry about leaky pipes, you have not planned properly, I should care about that, Mr. Sympathy?

I understand that if you make 250K for one year you are not "wealthy." But, you are well on your way. A 2% tax on the net over 250K will not stop or even materially slow that progression to wealth.

Have you ever owned a house? These things happen all the time. The pipes don't have to be 60 years old.

Yes, I agree you are on your way, but that can take many many years. Someone winning 100mm on the powerball is now wealthy.

[Serpico1103]

Have you ever owned a house? These things happen all the time. The pipes don't have to be 60 years old.

Yes, I agree you are on your way, but that can take many many years. Someone winning 100mm on the powerball is now wealthy.

I am not saying pipes don't leak and boilers don't break down. I am saying that if you are making 250K, maybe you should have the 2-5K in savings to pay for that repair.

Explain to me how many families afford a house on 100K. But, someone who is netting an additional 150K can't accumulate wealth?
I'll tell you how it happens. Consumerism. Instead of keeping the honda, you upgrade to a BMW as soon as possible. Instead of staying in that modest house while you build up your wealth, you jump into the largest house you can fool a bank into thinking you can afford. You send your kids to private school because public school is for the middle class.
Again, if you are making 250K and are not accumulating wealth, you have a major problem.
So, yes it is a tax on the wealthy. Because any money over 250K should certainly be considered an accumulation of wealth. Even if it is your first year, you are still accumulating wealth.

[Jujubees2]

I am not saying pipes don't leak and boilers don't break down. I am saying that if you are making 250K, maybe you should have the 2-5K in savings to pay for that repair.

Explain to me how many families afford a house on 100K. But, someone who is netting an additional 150K can't accumulate wealth?
I'll tell you how it happens. Consumerism. Instead of keeping the honda, you upgrade to a BMW as soon as possible. Instead of staying in that modest house while you build up your wealth, you jump into the largest house you can fool a bank into thinking you can afford. You send your kids to private school because public school is for the middle class.
Again, if you are making 250K and are not accumulating wealth, you have a major problem.
So, yes it is a tax on the wealthy. Because any money over 250K should certainly be considered an accumulation of wealth. Even if it is your first year, you are still accumulating wealth.

What he said.

I live in NYC with my wife and two kids and my wife and I combined don't make close to $250,000/year. But we live comfortably and take regular vacations. We also have enough saved (and continue to save each month) in case of emergencies.

How a family making $250,000/year isn't considered wealthy is just crazy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I am not saying pipes don't leak and boilers don't break down. I am saying that if you are making 250K, maybe you should have the 2-5K in savings to pay for that repair.

Explain to me how many families afford a house on 100K. But, someone who is netting an additional 150K can't accumulate wealth?
I'll tell you how it happens. Consumerism. Instead of keeping the honda, you upgrade to a BMW as soon as possible. Instead of staying in that modest house while you build up your wealth, you jump into the largest house you can fool a bank into thinking you can afford. You send your kids to private school because public school is for the middle class.
Again, if you are making 250K and are not accumulating wealth, you have a major problem.
So, yes it is a tax on the wealthy. Because any money over 250K should certainly be considered an accumulation of wealth. Even if it is your first year, you are still accumulating wealth.


All those factors are examples of living beyond ones means. When I redid my floors, There was the option of going for exotic bamboo flooring or brazilian cherry wood, but I went for the basic laminate and did the staining myself.

Im not disagreeing with you that many people still (pardon the old cliche) keep up with the Jones' even after this big recession, thats something called personal responsibility. If a family can only afford Disneyworld maybe they should not go to Cabo or Aruba

[Serpico1103]

All those factors are examples of living beyond ones means. When I redid my floors, There was the option of going for exotic bamboo flooring or brazilian cherry wood, but I went for the basic laminate and did the staining myself.

Im not disagreeing with you that many people still (pardon the old cliche) keep up with the Jones' even after this big recession, thats something called personal responsibility. If a family can only afford Disneyworld maybe they should not go to Cabo or Aruba

Bob Villa is sad to hear about your flooring choice.

If you live a truly middle class lifestyle on 250K, you are or very soon will have real wealth. If you choose to live an upper class lifestyle the first decent paycheck you get, than you get no sympathy for not having wealth.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bob Villa is sad to hear about your flooring choice.

If you live a truly middle class lifestyle on 250K, you are or very soon will have real wealth. If you choose to live an upper class lifestyle the first decent paycheck you get, than you get no sympathy for not having wealth.

6.00 A SQ FT for Bellau Wood flooring is too damn expensive. Thats what he has in his house.

Anyone spending beyond their means gets no sympathy.

[underdog]

All those factors are examples of living beyond ones means. When I redid my floors, There was the option of going for exotic bamboo flooring or brazilian cherry wood, but I went for the basic laminate and did the staining myself.

Why would bamboo flooring be expensive? I thought it was used now so much because it was cheap. It's basically a weed that grows super fast.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why would bamboo flooring be expensive? I thought it was used now so much because it was cheap. It's basically a weed that grows super fast.

Its the starbucks of flooring.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hows that Barry recovery going? YES WE CAN SI SE PUEDE!!!!!!!


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/asian-stocks-currencies-fall-on-outlook-for-economic-recovery.html

[LordJezo]

My biceps are so sore from working out that I couldn't even go to the gym today. Back too from pull-ups. Sucks, one gym dude was really fired up as he was getting ready to leave, he left work ranting about the Bildebergs and the fact that gold prices fell today and the stock market was crashing. He was freaked out.

Yesterday I thought I saw a protest going down at the circle along the way to the gym. Dude was marching around with a sign. Turns out he was just advertising some tax place down the street. That was disappointing. I thought the tide had finally turned and black guys were out doing an anti Obama thing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just keep raising that debt limit.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/house-votes-increase-debt-ceiling--trillion--trillion/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxbusiness%2Flatest+%28Text+-+Latest+News%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

[underdog]

Generic one liner aimed at no one in particular.

link to something no one cares about (http://link)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Generic one liner aimed at no one in particular.

link to something no one cares about (http://link)

The Debt ceiling being raised twice in about 2 months is little concern to you? Our fiscal house is in shambles but that cool cat in the Oval Office is the best thing that ever happened right?

This is from last year but still a major concern today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/14/business/worldbusiness/14china.html

Whats going to be the excuse now? The NY times is a stealth agent for the right?

[Serpico1103]

When will this blood thirsty liberals wake up?

“You have to remember Obama is also an agent for Radical Islam. He wants Iran to have Nuclear weapons.

Remember? How can I forget.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/Top-5-Obama-Conspiracy-Theories

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fucking dope cant even pronounce corpsman the right way. Its pronounced core-man


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0

[Serpico1103]

Fucking dope cant even pronounce corpsman the right way. Its pronounced core-man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0

When you nitpick, you make legitimate arguments weaker.
Was he using a teleprompter when discussing issues with the Republican caucus? Let it go.

We went from GWB, to a man who so far has mispronounced corpsman? Leave the public speaking attacks behind. I know it worked when GWB called Kerry a coward. Afterall, fighting in Vietnam is much more cowardly than hiding in the US.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

When you nitpick, you make legitimate arguments weaker.
Was he using a teleprompter when discussing issues with the Republican caucus? Let it go.

We went from GWB, to a man who so far has mispronounced corpsman? Leave the public speaking attacks behind. I know it worked when GWB called Kerry a coward. Afterall, fighting in Vietnam is much more cowardly than hiding in the US.

Well theres a double standard, Bush who was an awful public speaker, remember the internets, the google etc he got slammed for it which he should have.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Pronouncing it "corpse-man" is pretty embarrassing. It shows a lack of common knowledge for such a smart guy, especially as commander-in-chief, and reinforces his image as "mr. teleprompter". Not to mention a clear (albeit unintentional) insult to corpsman past and present.

[Serpico1103]

Well theres a double standard, Bush who was an awful public speaker, remember the internets, the google etc he got slammed for it which he should have.

No. If Bush made one mistake, the rare mistake, it would have been forgiven.
However, he made horrible mistakes.

"And so, in my State of the - my State of the Union - or state - my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation - I asked Americans to give 4,000 years - 4,000 hours over the next - the rest of your life - of service to America. That's what I asked - 4,000 hours." -George W. Bush, Bridgeport, Conn., April 9, 2002

http://www.lifeisajoke.com/politics22_html.htm

Seriously, it could make up a book. I think it has.
Don't compare mispronouncing a word with having no idea about what you are saying.
But, I understand, a fair and balanced libertarian like yourself was just as quick to jump on GWB.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No. If Bush made one mistake, the rare mistake, it would have been forgiven.
However, he made horrible mistakes.

"And so, in my State of the - my State of the Union - or state - my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation - I asked Americans to give 4,000 years - 4,000 hours over the next - the rest of your life - of service to America. That's what I asked - 4,000 hours." -George W. Bush, Bridgeport, Conn., April 9, 2002

http://www.lifeisajoke.com/politics22_html.htm

Seriously, it could make up a book. I think it has.
Don't compare mispronouncing a word with having no idea about what you are saying.
But, I understand, a fair and balanced libertarian like yourself was just as quick to jump on GWB.


Yes the mishandling of the Wars, Open Borders, medicare part D. The uncontrollable spending, Harriet Myers, a Push for Amnesty.

And this President is continuing horrible mistakes and creating even more horrible ones!!!!!

[Serpico1103]

Yes the mishandling of the Wars, Open Borders, medicare part D. The uncontrollable spending, Harriet Myers, a Push for Amnesty.

And this President is continuing horrible mistakes and creating even more horrible ones!!!!!

Wow, really stepping out on a unbiased limb to critique GWB for two failed wars. Ouch.
What next, a slap on the wrist for Hitler. Forget mishandling the wars. How about entering them to begin with. How about all the lies to get us into war.
You are right, "corpsman" ranks up there with two endless wars.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wow, really stepping out on a unbiased limb to critique GWB for two failed wars. Ouch.
What next, a slap on the wrist for Hitler. Forget mishandling the wars. How about entering them to begin with. How about all the lies to get us into war.
You are right, "corpsman" ranks up there with two endless wars.

And how about continuing a failed policy in 1 war? How about spending money like an out of control drug addict? The debt ceiling was voted in the house today to be raised again. How about making a bad economy worse? Or pushing a failed agenda like health care reform for a year when the country does not want his view of it?

His approval rating is barely at 50%, He's losing Indies, theres a power struggle in the Democratic party but still he can do no wrong?

If the pace keeps up there will be some serious changes in Both Houses, while this is a regular process during a 1st term, the wave fo Democrats not running or trailing in especially blue states should be a concern since he's the leader of the Democratic party.

[Serpico1103]

And how about continuing a failed policy in 1 war? How about spending money like an out of control drug addict? How about making a bad economy worse? Or pushing a failed agenda like health care reform for a year when the country does not want his view of it?

His approval rating is barely at 50%, He's losing Indies, theres a power struggle in the Democratic party but still he can do no wrong?

I have not jumped to Obama's defense. Unfortunately, I find it hard to judge him with such a mess going on.
I can't say what the right or wrong thing to do is. Is leaving Afghanistan the right answer? Will that lead to more terrorism? Can we ever stabilize it? Will Iraq be a true democracy making our sacrifice worth it?
I don't know.
I do know (and so did Bush I and Cheney) that Iraq was going to fail into a mess that would not end soon.
I do know that USSR failed in Afghanistan, what can we hope to do?

I understand you think your solutions would work. But, how?
Do you think any action would have pulled us out of the recession instantly? I think we can only hope to ease the pain. The cure is a long way off. Anyway looking for a quick fix will be disappointed.

[keithy_19]

Do you think any action would have pulled us out of the recession instantly? I think we can only hope to ease the pain. The cure is a long way off. Anyway looking for a quick fix will be disappointed.

I think raising the debt limit is akin to maxing out a credit card and using another credit card to pay it off.

[Serpico1103]

I think raising the debt limit is akin to maxing out a credit card and using another credit card to pay it off.

I do think paying off the debt should be a high priority. How and when to do that is currently beyond me.
Maybe we are spread too thin. Pull out of Afghan and Iraq, stabilize ourselves. Then renenter those countries with a new and clear plan.

[keithy_19]

I do think paying off the debt should be a high priority. How and when to do that is currently beyond me.
Maybe we are spread too thin. Pull out of Afghan and Iraq, stabilize ourselves. Then renenter those countries with a new and clear plan.

But it's 2010. We're out of Ira-

Oh yeah...

[A.J.]

No. If Bush made one mistake, the rare mistake, it would have been forgiven.
However, he made horrible mistakes.

"And so, in my State of the - my State of the Union - or state - my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation - I asked Americans to give 4,000 years - 4,000 hours over the next - the rest of your life - of service to America. That's what I asked - 4,000 hours." -George W. Bush, Bridgeport, Conn., April 9, 2002

http://www.lifeisajoke.com/politics22_html.htm

You can't blame him. He was in Bridgeport. I'd be nervous too.

[A.J.]

Fucking dope cant even pronounce corpsman the right way. Its pronounced core-man


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0

If he had said "Marine Corpse" he might not have made it out of there alive.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If he had said "Marine Corpse" he might not have made it out of there alive.

Or if he called a corpsman a medic, there would be pitchforks and torches

Maybe Obama thinks corpsemen administer breathalyzers to kids with asthma in the 57th state

[Bob Impact]

You can't blame him. He was in Bridgeport. I'd be nervous too.

If i pick prefer local roads on my nav on my way from work to my new house it takes me through Bridgeport... it's always amazing to me that someplace in CT can be quite that horrifying.

[underdog]

If i pick prefer local roads on my nav on my way from work to my new house it takes me through Bridgeport... it's always amazing to me that someplace in CT can be quite that horrifying.

CT has some of the worst slums I've ever seen. It's so strange.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Amazing how the spin masters are celebrating the 9.7% unemployment figures. Well the math doesn't add up 20k non farm payrolls were lost. The amount of people who stopped looking do not get calculated. The jobs that were added are temporary census jobs. Furthermore this incompetent government was off by almost 1 million when they calculated the total number of jobs lost. Again how many net jobs were created by this 787 billion dollar piece of garbage stimulus?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

CT has some of the worst slums I've ever seen. It's so strange.

Especially Greenwich those $900k homes are really trashy

[Ritalin]

CT has some of the worst slums I've ever seen. It's so strange.

I guess you've never been to Philly.

[underdog]

Especially Greenwich those $900k homes are really trashy

Yes, that's exactly what I was talking about when I said slums. The rich areas. Exactly.

I guess you've never been to Philly.

I've been to South Philly a couple of times. I was actually kind of surprised how "nicer" it was than I expected.

[Dude!]

I've been to South Philly a couple of times. I was actually kind of surprised how "nicer" it was than I expected.

try northeast philly
and then report back

[underdog]

try northeast philly
and then report back

No.

[Syd]

Amazing how the spin masters are celebrating the 9.7% unemployment figures. Well the math doesn't add up 20k non farm payrolls were lost. The amount of people who stopped looking do not get calculated. The jobs that were added are temporary census jobs. Furthermore this incompetent government was off by almost 1 million when they calculated the total number of jobs lost. Again how many net jobs were created by this 787 billion dollar piece of garbage stimulus?

The U-3 doesn't matter and is just a sort of bread and circuses for the commoners. U-6 matters, it was down .8% due to an increase in temporary jobs.

Companies aren't willing to hire but some consumers are beginning to spend, facilitating some job growth.

[Dude!]

Companies aren't willing to hire but some consumers are beginning to spend, facilitating some job growth.

a loss of 20,000 jobs
is not usually considered growth

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Drill Baby Drill!!! Barry gets it!!!!!

Sadly, it wont benefit our country


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

[LordJezo]

Guy is running around work due to the green police Audi commercial.

Sadly that commercial is everything we talk about on a regular basis, it's only a matter of time before that shit is true and we really are criminalized by Obama by doing every day things like using plastic bags at the super market and eco checks are on every road.

That commercial was nothing but a 100% accurate look into the very near future.

[Jujubees2]

Guy is running around work due to the green police Audi commercial.

Sadly that commercial is everything we talk about on a regular basis, it's only a matter of time before that shit is true and we really are criminalized by Obama by doing every day things like using plastic bags at the super market and eco checks are on every road.

That commercial was nothing but a 100% accurate look into the very near future.

If Gore were president it would already be that way!

[Syd]

a loss of 20,000 jobs
is not usually considered growth

check out the u-6 numbers and explain to me how that isn't growth, especially when on the trek back up temporary jobs lead the way?

[Syd]

Guy is running around work due to the green police Audi commercial.

Sadly that commercial is everything we talk about on a regular basis, it's only a matter of time before that shit is true and we really are criminalized by Obama by doing every day things like using plastic bags at the super market and eco checks are on every road.

That commercial was nothing but a 100% accurate look into the very near future.

Since we've already hit a production plateau and any oil remaining will become exponentially more expensive to recover you can't exactly say that is a bad thing. The hedonistic American lifestyle must see large changes in our lifetime.

[LordJezo]

Guy is running around work due to the green police Audi commercial.

Sadly that commercial is everything we talk about on a regular basis, it's only a matter of time before that shit is true and we really are criminalized by Obama by doing every day things like using plastic bags at the super market and eco checks are on every road.

That commercial was nothing but a 100% accurate look into the very near future.

Wow, this story hit the front page of Drudge. People are furious about this ad. They know it's coming.

It also hit Infowars..

http://www.infowars.com/audis-eco-fascism-ads/

This is awesome. The truth is coming out. People are so angry over this hard leftist liberal ad that ruined the superbowl fun.

[topless_mike]

This is awesome. The truth is coming out. People are so angry over this hard leftist liberal ad that ruined the superbowl fun.

thought drew brees was a righty?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Audi's green police problem


http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/company-news/audis-super-bowl-ad-blunder-green-police-have-nazi-history/19337683/

[SonOfSmeagol]

In the face of adversity, a “showcase” of his leadership:

Early after the Massachusetts defeat, he raised the possibility of scaling back. Then he insisted he still wants a comprehensive approach. Last Thursday, Obama publicly raised the prospect that Congress might not act at all. Sunday, he invited GOP and Democratic leaders to discuss possible compromises in a televised gathering later this month.

Clinton-era health aides push to save Obama's plan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/08/AR2010020800301.html)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

why are the feds getting involved?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35299173/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/

[underdog]

why are the feds getting involved?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35299173/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/

Because, whether or not you believe this is the correct way to do it, the government's first job is to protect it's people.

[weekapaugjz]

Audi's green police problem


http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/company-news/audis-super-bowl-ad-blunder-green-police-have-nazi-history/19337683/

The problem? The Green Police was a name used in Nazi Germany to refer to the German Order Police, or Orpo, who were given the moniker because of their green uniforms. The Orpo weren't merely traffic cops, however. According to the Jewish Virtual Library, one battalion was central in sending Jews, Poles and Gypsies to concentration camps.

so you're saying i shouldn't call my new secret club the SS?

[Serpico1103]

why are the feds getting involved?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35299173/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/

Because you don't pay enough state taxes. So, your state has to grovel at the feet of the Feds to pay for things: police, roads, schools.
Pay higher taxes and tell the Feds to f--- off.

[Syd]

why are the feds getting involved?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35299173/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/

Because 1 in 3 Americans are overweight or obese and it's quite clear that they're not getting involved in preventing children from becoming obese themselves?

Alternatively, what Serpico said. Man up and pay higher state taxes so other states don't have to pave your roads.

[Syd]

http://www.lilith-ezine.com/articles/health/American-Obesity-Rates.html

Seriously, check it out. American's can't take care of themselves because of the deluge of corporate propaganda. I don't want my taxes going towards supporting someone who wants to eat 3000+ calories a day. Society is better off taking back control of its health from the likes of fast food restaurants and soda bottlers.

[Dude!]

http://www.lilith-ezine.com/articles/health/American-Obesity-Rates.html I don't want my taxes going towards supporting someone who wants to eat 3000+ calories a day.

i don't want my taxes going
to aids victims that fuck each
other in the ass

now tell me, what roll does the
boogie-man corporation
play in that behavior?

i never saw a mcdonald's
ass fucking commercial

[underdog]

i don't want my taxes going
to aids victims that fuck each
other in the ass

now tell me, what roll does the
boogie-man corporation
play in that behavior?

i never saw a mcdonald's
ass fucking commercial

Supporting your father isn't considered "paying taxes".

[Syd]

i don't want my taxes going
to aids victims that fuck each
other in the ass

now tell me, what roll does the
boogie-man corporation
play in that behavior?

i never saw a mcdonald's
ass fucking commercial

Not sure the connection between obesity and AIDS victims sodomizing each other so I'm going to have to pass on answering this question.

[Dude!]

Supporting your father isn't considered "paying taxes".

i expect better of you

[Dude!]

Not sure the connection between obesity and AIDS victims sodomizing each other so I'm going to have to pass on answering this question.

the connection is on your TAXES
going to support medical care
for people whose medical issues
are brought on by their own behaviors

I don't want my taxes going towards supporting someone who wants to eat 3000+ calories a day.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The shit that they put in school lunches is much worse than any fast food restaurant would serve. Furthermore local property taxes funds the schools not federal income taxes.

Once again the shills need big nanny state federal government to tell them how to raise teir kids

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Because, whether or not you believe this is the correct way to do it, the government's first job is to protect it's people.

The governments 1st job is to protect and defend the constitution. Do we really need a President lecturing us how to raise children? Thats the job of the Parents. If they want to ban vending machines let it be up to the local school board, we don't need an overbearing fed gov't interfering

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Because you don't pay enough state taxes. So, your state has to grovel at the feet of the Feds to pay for things: police, roads, schools.
Pay higher taxes and tell the Feds to f--- off.

Thanks to the teachers unions public education has become a joke. You people are all scripted. PAY MORE TAXES!!!! That solves everything. Most of you probably don't pay property taxes so its business as usual for you people, keep soaking the providers.

If the states knew how to spend their money roads and bridges wouldn't be crumbling as gasoline taxes are supposed to be used for that.

[Serpico1103]

The shit that they put in school lunches is much worse than any fast food restaurant would serve. Furthermore local property taxes funds the schools not federal income taxes.

http://ctmirror.com/story/advocate-says-charter-school-changes-needed-win-federal-funds
"In Race to the Top, the Obama administration is dangling more than $4.3 million in incentives to spur education reforms. Forty states, including Connecticut, have applied for the first round of grants. With state budgets suffering through the nation's slumping economy, several states already have made aggressive efforts to compete for the money:..."

The federal government can not dictate state educational standards. However, things like "No Child Left Behind" are enforced by dangling money at the states. The states in need of money, because cheap libertarians don't pay enough taxes, reform their standards to meet the Federal guidelines.

It is how the federal government dictates drunk driving laws and speed limits. By bribing the states with highway money.

Free yourself from the tyrannical feds. PAY MORE TAXES.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://ctmirror.com/story/advocate-says-charter-school-changes-needed-win-federal-funds
"In Race to the Top, the Obama administration is dangling more than $4.3 million in incentives to spur education reforms. Forty states, including Connecticut, have applied for the first round of grants. With state budgets suffering through the nation's slumping economy, several states already have made aggressive efforts to compete for the money:..."

The federal government can not dictate state educational standards. However, things like "No Child Left Behind" are enforced by dangling money at the states. The states in need of money, because cheap libertarians don't pay enough taxes, reform their standards to meet the Federal guidelines.

It is how the federal government dictates drunk driving laws and speed limits. By bribing the states with highway money.

Free yourself from the tyrannical feds. PAY MORE TAXES.

Thanks to uncle Teddy and Dubya there is no child left behind. Maybe the states should learn how to spend their money, Some states have a surplus and some arent fiscal disasters like CA , NJ and NY

Most of that money will line the pockets of the union bosses

[Syd]

The governments 1st job is to protect and defend the constitution. Do we really need a President lecturing us how to raise children? Thats the job of the Parents. If they want to ban vending machines let it be up to the local school board, we don't need an overbearing fed gov't interfering

School lunch programs were spearheaded by the military due to malnourished kids being ineligible for military duty.

http://www.enotes.com/major-acts-congress/richard-b-russell-national-school-lunch-act

So, the health of children is an issue of national security. If parents can't properly feed their children, there's a history of the government stepping in to do so.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

School lunch programs were spearheaded by the military due to malnourished kids being ineligible for military duty.

http://www.enotes.com/major-acts-congress/richard-b-russell-national-school-lunch-act

So, the health of children is an issue of national security. If parents can't properly feed their children, there's a history of the government stepping in to do so.

As with every other bloated gov't program it has stretched far past its boundaries

http://educationnext.org/the-school-lunch-lobby/

OK if the gov'ts job is to protect the citizens why are the borders pourous?

[A.J.]

School lunch programs were spearheaded by the military due to malnourished kids being ineligible for military duty.

http://www.enotes.com/major-acts-congress/richard-b-russell-national-school-lunch-act

So, the health of children is an issue of national security. If parents can't properly feed their children, there's a history of the government stepping in to do so.

So we have Sen. Richard Russell to thank for our tater tots. He deserves having that Senate office building named after him!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

School lunch programs were spearheaded by the military due to malnourished kids being ineligible for military duty.

http://www.enotes.com/major-acts-congress/richard-b-russell-national-school-lunch-act

So, the health of children is an issue of national security. If parents can't properly feed their children, there's a history of the government stepping in to do so.

Who said the nanny state was a new thing?

[underdog]

i expect better of you

Why? I figured everyone's expectations of me would be at the bottom now.

[Serpico1103]

Thanks to uncle Teddy and Dubya there is no child left behind. Maybe the states should learn how to spend their money, Some states have a surplus and some arent fiscal disasters like CA , NJ and NY

Most of that money will line the pockets of the union bosses

You really do just fall in line. Illegals, taxes, unions, nanny state, secularism, etc. Is there anything that makes you an individual?
Just give me the link to site that feeds you "your" principles and I can skip the middle man.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Just give me the link to site that feeds you "your" principles and I can skip the middle man.

The leftists need a new angle. The "they must be brainwashed" line is really REALLY weak.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You really do just fall in line. Illegals, taxes, unions, nanny state, secularism, etc. Is there anything that makes you an individual?
Just give me the link to site that feeds you "your" principles and I can skip the middle man.

I dont fall for the religious right or evangelical movement. Im a social moderate so yes that makes me an individual.

What about you? Higher taxes, amnesty for illegal aliens, a welfare state, no personal responsibility etc

[Serpico1103]

I dont fall for the religious right or evangelical movement. Im a social moderate so yes that makes me an individual.

What about you? Higher taxes, amnesty for illegal aliens, a welfare state, no personal responsibility etc

I never said I wanted amnesty. I do think immigration is a problem. I just don't have the vitriolic hatred for the aliens like you.
How do we pay our debt? How is it personal responsibility to enjoy the benefits of federal spending, but not want to pay it back?
Define welfare state. Do you want no safety net? Maybe start up pauper prisons?

I called you a secularist, not a religious right nut.

[Serpico1103]

The leftists need a new angle. The "they must be brainwashed" line is really REALLY weak.

I'll let them know. Have an address?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I never said I wanted amnesty.
How do we pay our debt? How is it personal responsibility to enjoy the benefits of federal spending, but not want to pay it back?
Define welfare state. Do you want no safety net? Maybe start up pauper prisons?

I called you a secularist, not a religious right nut.

Again you make the illegal aliens as being victims. I halso have my anger towards the enablers, special interests and employers as all parties should be punished.
What laws can I break without repercussion as an American Citizen?

How's that war on Poverty going? Great society and Social security a success in your book?

Don't spend more than what you have, dont smoke cigarettes. dont eat fast food for every meal, ohh those dirty words personal responsibility again dont have kids you cant afford. Its the progressives who thrive on victimhood.

[Serpico1103]

Again you make the illegal aliens as being victims. I halso have my anger towards the enablers, special interests and employers as all parties should be punished.

How's that war on Poverty going? Great society and Social security a success in your book?

Don't spend more than what you have, dont smoke cigarettes. dont eat fast food for every meal, ohh those dirty words personal responsibility again dont have kids you cant afford. Its the progressives who thrive on victimhood.

How is saying I don't hate illegal aliens making them victims?
Define success? Perfection? No.

I understand people need to be responsible. But, you would punish the children for not having intelligent, rich parents.
Let's kill the poor and eat them.
You would have not allowed unions? You would never have allowed SS?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How is saying I don't hate illegal aliens making them victims?
Define success? Perfection? No.

I understand people need to be responsible. But, you would punish the children for not having intelligent, rich parents.
Let's kill the poor and eat them.
You would have not allowed unions? You would never have allowed SS?

Bank Robbers, White collar criminals you accept what they are doing?

There are thousands of charities which have much lower overhead and operating costs, Gov't stepping in with a gun pointing at you isn't charity

Unions jumped the shark Are there 9 year olds getting dismembered in steel mills or factories?

I would love to cash out all the taxes I paid for social security and Invest it myself, I'd do a hell of a better job than DC

[Serpico1103]

Bank Robbers, White collar criminals you accept what they are doing?

There are thousands of charities which have much lower overhead and operating costs, Gov't stepping in with a gun pointing at you isn't charity

Unions jumped the shark Are there 9 year olds getting dismembered in steel mills or factories?

I would love to cash out all the taxes I paid for social security and Invest it myself, I'd do a hell of a better job than DC

I don't love and cuddle criminals. I don't spit venom at them either. There is a comfortable gray area.
So, you want people to be billed every year for the government services they used?
If anything corporations jumped the shark. For every corrupt union there is a corporation that prefers to deal with a corrupt union than one that actually fights for its members.

Such a rugged individualist. Blame the founding fathers for there treasonous act against the US, when they wrote the constitution.

[LordJezo]

Locker room was quiet today, people might have been prepping for the storm of the century.

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1457/33400361.jpg

No Murtha, no Obama, no nothing. Was pathetic.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't love and cuddle criminals. I don't spit venom at them either. There is a comfortable gray area.
So, you want people to be billed every year for the government services they used?
If anything corporations jumped the shark. For every corrupt union there is a corporation that prefers to deal with a corrupt union than one that actually fights for its members.

Such a rugged individualist. Blame the founding fathers for there treasonous act against the US, when they wrote the constitution.

Oh sure Andy Stern and Ron Getelfinger are champions of the working man

We are being billed by the taxes we pay. illegal aliens for the most part pay no federal income taxes. Sales tax doesnt count. There is no national sales tax except for gasoline

The founders would have never envisioned to have an overberaring government and government intrusion like this.

[Serpico1103]

We are being billed by the taxes we pay. illegal aliens for the most part pay no federal income taxes. Sales tax doesnt count. There is no national sales tax except for gasoline

The founders would have never envisioned to have an overberaring government and government intrusion like this.

They could have left the articles of confederation. Giving almost no power to the feds. However, they committed treason and wrote the Constitution.

So, you get an itemized bill at the end of the year for all the government services you used? It breaks down; road use, police use, ambulance, schools, military, food inspection, airport security, etc. All federal money goes to those things. Blame your state for needing the money, don't blame the feds. Blame your fellow CTers for being irresponsible.

Don't want Andy to unionize your firm?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They could have left the articles of confederation. Giving almost no power to the feds. However, they committed treason and wrote the Constitution.

So, you get an itemized bill at the end of the year for all the government services you used? It breaks down; road use, police use, ambulance, schools, military, food inspection, airport security, etc. All federal money goes to those things. Blame your state for needing the money, don't blame the feds. Blame your fellow CTers for being irresponsible.

What you favor is a national government instead of a federal government, they are mutually exclusive. Federal spending includes the military, shouldnt include public education and items financed by local gov't

Well they kept voting for Lieberman and Dodd so theres no arguement there

[underdog]

What laws can I break without repercussion as an American Citizen?

speeding
drunk driving
shop lifting

Really, you could break any law without repercussion as long as you don't get caught.

[Serpico1103]

Well they kept voting for Lieberman and Dodd

Take responsibility. You didn't present what seemed like a better option. Personal failure, again.
The states need federal money.
They take it for police departments, roads, schools, large construction projects.
The feds can not, can not, force the states to accept the money. The states go begging.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Take responsibility. You didn't present what seemed like a better option. Personal failure, again.
The states need federal money.
They take it for police departments, roads, schools, large construction projects.
The feds can not, can not, force the states to accept the money. The states go begging.


I didnt move to CT until Jan 2009. I sure won't be voting for Blumenthal in November. Thats responsibility

[underdog]

I didnt move to CT until Jan 2009. I sure won't be voting for Blumenthal in November. Thats responsibility

Better welfare than where you were before?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Better welfare than where you were before?

Im not part of the recipient class. Im one of the millions paying for the deadbeats.

You sound like the expert living in Massachusetts one of the biggest welfare states in the union