Obama - Worst President Ever? [Archive] - Page 21

Bob Impact

12-12-2011, 02:25 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

12-12-2011, 04:22 PM

first off, you can't sue the fed? please explain all those epa lawsuits with big business then along with SOOOOooo much more?

next, you just assume I think the ACLU is just some infallible organization huh!? Ha!

finally, it's draconian yet, if we hire private firms it's cool...bc we can sue them? Oh wow that sounds soooo much better! Like the fine print we'd be signing every time that now corporations will be looking deep into the people getting on the planes and I'm sure none of that would be used for other purposes. stop fearing government and realize corps are even worse at crushing our freedoms. I'm no fan of both, but I sure as hell don't mind a simple pat down going into a court house or boarding a plane.

Good luck finding an article reading 85 year old cancer patient collects windfall from suing the DHS.

I disagree with many of the ACLU's positions but with this they are spot on.

Private companies have 1 thing that the federal government does not have. Competition...

I do not feel any safer knowing that a new bureaucracy was created under a republican administration.

In regards to the body scanners. Michael Chertoff and others have made millions based on fear, this in collusion witht he federal government

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/fear_pays_chertoff_n_787711.html

WRESTLINGFAN

12-12-2011, 04:28 PM

ah, no more gov jobs now I got you

Dateline March 14th 2013

In response to the terrorist plot that was foiled by an NYU student with a keen eye on his way from the Metro North train to the # 6 downtown, The Romney Admininstration with consent from Congress has implemented the TRABSA or Tunnels Railways And Bridges Security Administration. This new agency will fall under Homeland Security secratary Michelle Bachmann.

cougarjake13

12-12-2011, 04:52 PM

Dateline March 14th 2013

In response to the terrorist plot that was foiled by an NYU student with a keen eye on his way from the Metro North train to the # 6 downtown, The Romney Admininstration with consent from Congress has implemented the TRABSA or Tunnels Railways And Bridges Security Administration. This new agency will fall under Homeland Security secratary Michelle Bachmann.

dont even joke

Syd

12-12-2011, 06:47 PM

Private companies have 1 thing that the federal government does not have. Competition...

Competition isn't always a good thing. The whole "rational actor" notion is as delusional as communism.

hanso

12-12-2011, 09:43 PM

A.J.

12-13-2011, 03:21 AM

Hey Iran, could we get our drone back? (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/12/20111212175637464981.html)

Are you fucking serious?

WRESTLINGFAN

12-13-2011, 05:28 AM

Really ?

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hanso

12-26-2011, 08:03 PM

GOP Wins Battle Of The Bulb

"Congress has dodged a government shutdown, agreeing to a $1 trillion spending bill that features a variety of rare compromises. Both Democrats and Republicans won some concessions, and it's too early to say who came out on top. But there's one issue where the GOP seems to have won lights-out: the battle of the bulb.

House Republicans have become livid in recent months about the Energy Department's updated efficiency rules for light bulbs, which were signed by President George W. Bush in 2007 and scheduled to take effect Jan. 1. The standards are meant to help the U.S. use less electricity, requiring that traditional incandescent bulbs become 30 percent more energy-efficient by 2012.

But under the new omnibus spending bill, Republicans have blocked the light-bulb standards by prohibiting the Energy Department from using federal funds to implement them. The rules technically can still take effect next month, but the GOP rider will prevent the U.S. from enforcing them through Sept. 30, Politico reports.

Critics have cast the standards as a "light bulb ban," suggesting they would outlaw incandescent bulbs in favor of compact fluorescent lamps, or CFLs. But supporters point out that no specific type of bulb would be outlawed; incandescent bulbs could still be sold under the new rules, as long as they're 30 percent more efficient than older models. CFLs and other energy-efficient bulbs are costlier to buy up-front, but they save money in the long run: A typical CFL saves $30 over its lifespan, according to the U.S. Energy Star program, and pays for itself in about six months."

The orange man wins this round now go reward yourself in a tanning bed.
WF what did you call your light bulb thread? I looked all over/searched must not have had word light or bulb in the fancy title.

WRESTLINGFAN

12-27-2011, 05:28 AM

What size hazmat uniform should you buy ?

http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/compact-fluorescent-light-bulbs-the-dangers-of-cfls/

WRESTLINGFAN

12-28-2011, 04:39 AM

Who still believes the administration surrounds themselves with the best and brightest?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-treasury-china-not-a-currency-manipulator-2011-12-27?siteid=bnbh

Syd

12-28-2011, 05:55 AM

What size hazmat uniform should you buy ?

http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/compact-fluorescent-light-bulbs-the-dangers-of-cfls/

I love how the article dismisses any criticism and just rails on their point like coal fired power plants are perfectly safe. Even if no mercury is released from the power plants, there's still the radiation released by it. In addition, the other toxins released into the air and dispersed downwind. But, hey, doesn't look like they have any neat tips for reducing DNA damage by radiation.

hanso

12-28-2011, 06:57 AM

I love how the article dismisses any criticism and just rails on their point like coal fired power plants are perfectly safe. Even if no mercury is released from the power plants, there's still the radiation released by it. In addition, the other toxins released into the air and dispersed downwind. But, hey, doesn't look like they have any neat tips for reducing DNA damage by radiation.

Think that would be to do away with the EPA.

WRESTLINGFAN

12-28-2011, 10:12 AM

Think that would be to do away with the EPA.

Speaking of the EPA

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/27/mf-global-chief-missing-12b-financial-adviser-epa/

WRESTLINGFAN

12-28-2011, 10:30 AM

Mediocre?

:thumbdown:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70904.html

JimBeam

01-01-2012, 10:47 AM

Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland

http://http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-company-us-loan-builds-cars-finland/story?id=14770875#.Tv825pd0r8A

I guess it's possible this made the news cycle but I don't remember hearing about it.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-01-2012, 12:06 PM

Read that a couple of months ago but it wasn't covered that much

JimBeam

01-01-2012, 12:09 PM

I'm not silly enough to think that shit like that doesn't happen w/ a president from either party in the White House but that sure does seem like a shit deal.

What kinda money do we get back for the loan and what kind of interest was charged ?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-01-2012, 04:07 PM

Not sure on the repayment plan or interest rate but ut was another 1/2 billion dollar loan to a company where Al Gore was one of the investors. The car company is more than a year behind in rolling out these cars.

"Workers of the world unite" so his handlers in the UAW should be thrilled

Of course this goes on in all administrations but this broke after the solyndra fuckup and This president promised accountability and transparency.

StanUpshaw

01-01-2012, 05:48 PM

http://i.imgur.com/nxTQ8.png

WRESTLINGFAN

01-01-2012, 06:13 PM

Yes We Can....

Keep you locked up without due process

WRESTLINGFAN

01-05-2012, 06:58 AM

A recess appointment when the Senate isn't in recess. Mr constitutional scholar at it again.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-05/obama-installs-cordray-as-director-of-consumer-bureau.html

spoon

01-05-2012, 08:24 PM

Love the move...finally some balls just wish it was Elizabeth Warren.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-06-2012, 04:14 AM

Love the move...finally some balls just wish it was Elizabeth Warren.

Illegal move.
Nothing will happen. Boehner and McConnell dont have the balls to call him out.

spoon

01-06-2012, 08:50 PM

Illegal move.
Nothing will happen. Boehner and McConnell dont have the balls to call him out.

bc it's legal

Syd

01-06-2012, 09:30 PM

bc it's legal

If it was illegal they'd be on it like shit on stink. All the GOP has done for the past 3 years is obstruct anything Obama has done, and painted their own programs (Obamacare) as evil simply because he was the guy who pushed for them.

hanso

01-06-2012, 09:36 PM

If it was illegal they'd be on it like shit on stink. All the GOP has done for the past 3 years is obstruct anything Obama has done, and painted their own programs (Obamacare) as evil simply because he was the guy who pushed for them.

Most of which were their own programs recycled.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-07-2012, 04:11 AM

bc it's legal

No its not

Senate wasnt recessed

WRESTLINGFAN

01-07-2012, 04:12 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-07-2012, 05:14 AM

Just another way to whore himself out to the open borders lobby and La Raza.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-plans-change-immigration-rule-waivers-185945600.html

Syd

01-07-2012, 05:40 AM

No its not

Senate wasnt recessed

Actually it is, because the pro forma sessions weren't valid. Plus, the whole pro forma sessions are of dubious constitutionality because it's a self-enumerated power by congress from 2006.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/senate-recess-constitution-says-no/292211

long story short, Obama overcame the Republicans being lazy little complainers (Corday, for example, was already confirmed with 51 votes) and now they're going to be exposed as the do-nothings they are and they'll be sent packing to go oversee some sort of pro-illegal immigration lobbyist group or whatever.

http://volokh.com/2012/01/04/recess-appointment-of-richard-cordray-despite-pro-forma-sessions/

this had some good information as well

WRESTLINGFAN

01-10-2012, 05:01 AM

Wow, the Chutzpah . Even Halloween parties are over the top and extravagant

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/white-house-hosted-alice-wonderland-party-155331078.html

Jujubees2

01-10-2012, 05:36 AM

Wow, the Chutzpah . Even Halloween parties are over the top and extravagant

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/white-house-hosted-alice-wonderland-party-155331078.html

Yes how dare they spend money for military families when those funds should be going to tax breaks for the wealthy 1%!

That was followed by a magic show for children of White House staff and military families.

White House spokesman Eric Shultz disputed Kantor's take, saying the event was not covered up for fear of public backlash. "This was an event for local school children from the Washington DC area and for hundreds of military families," Shultz said in a statement released to Politico. "If we wanted this event to be a secret, we probably wouldn't have invited the press corps to cover it, release photos of it to Flickr, or post a video from it on the White House website," he said.

A.J.

01-10-2012, 05:39 AM

Is anyone else but me a little worried about how they seem to be making a case for war against Iran?

Jujubees2

01-10-2012, 05:43 AM

Is anyone else but me a little worried about how they seem to be making a case for war against Iran?

Why not? The one in Iraq seemed to have gone well...

WRESTLINGFAN

01-10-2012, 06:01 AM

Yes how dare they spend money for military families when those funds should be going to tax breaks for the wealthy 1%!

That was followed by a magic show for children of White House staff and military families.

White House spokesman Eric Shultz disputed Kantor's take, saying the event was not covered up for fear of public backlash. "This was an event for local school children from the Washington DC area and for hundreds of military families," Shultz said in a statement released to Politico. "If we wanted this event to be a secret, we probably wouldn't have invited the press corps to cover it, release photos of it to Flickr, or post a video from it on the White House website," he said.

Yes how dare they with their let them eat cake attitude when the country is going into a ditch and bleeding fiscally

They could have had a clown make funny looking balloons instead of having a lavish soiree

WRESTLINGFAN

01-10-2012, 06:02 AM

Why not? The one in Iraq seemed to have gone well...

Change you can believe in ?

A.J.

01-10-2012, 06:12 AM

Why not? The one in Iraq seemed to have gone well...

Eventually.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-11-2012, 08:54 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-11-2012, 12:37 PM

Do we get to see those fake greek columns again?

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/11/2915251/obama-may-move-dnc-speech-to-bofa.html#storylink=cpy

spoon

01-11-2012, 07:42 PM

Backdoor amnesty again. Illegal Salvadorans get to stay in an attempt to whore out to La Raza

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/01/admin-extends-salvadoran-deportation-freeze-110304.html

Many of Obamas amigos might be people like this fine gentleman

http://www.norcalblogs.com/post_scripts/MS-13_Face.jpg

wow, you really don't read your own links/stories do you?

The Obama administration's deportation policies have come under scrutiny, just as the president has geared up for his reelection campaign. Despite his support for comprehensive immigration reform and a path to citizenship, deportations have soared to new highs under the Obama administration— and the president's approval ratings among Latino voters have flatlined.

Not to mention, WOOooooo, 215,000 people here to help their families surely locks in the Obama vote with all those "amigos", seeing as the number alone is completely insignificant and they can't fucking vote. Nice you went out and located that pic to represent the people too. Nothing off on that whole rundown at all right WF?

The protected status designation currently applies to 215,000 Salvadorans living in the U.S. illegally and otherwise subject to deportation, and remittances from ex-patriate Salvadorans in the United States help keep that country's economy afloat.

spoon

01-11-2012, 07:51 PM

Just another way to whore himself out to the open borders lobby and La Raza.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-plans-change-immigration-rule-waivers-185945600.html

So you don't parrot shit all day huh?

And you want La Raza to champion the rights of what, Norwegians? I don't get your hang ups.

Wow, the Chutzpah . Even Halloween parties are over the top and extravagant

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/white-house-hosted-alice-wonderland-party-155331078.html

I'll phrase this the way you normally get your news...So you don't parrot shit all day huh? Pathetic attempt to sensationalize a complete non-story, or feel good story if anything.

epo

01-11-2012, 07:58 PM

So you don't parrot shit all day huh?

And you want La Raza to champion the rights of what, Norwegians? I don't get your hang ups.

I'll phrase this the way you normally get your news...So you don't parrot shit all day huh? Pathetic attempt to sensationalize a complete non-story, or feel good story if anything.

Brown people don't write the talking points on Stormfront for WrestlingFan

Dude!

01-11-2012, 09:00 PM

Brown people don't write the talking points on Stormfront for WrestlingFan

yeah, they spray-paint it on
subway cars

spoon

01-11-2012, 09:18 PM

where we goin!

keithy_19

01-11-2012, 10:03 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-12-2012, 02:45 AM

wow, you really don't read your own links/stories do you?

Not to mention, WOOooooo, 215,000 people here to help their families surely locks in the Obama vote with all those "amigos", seeing as the number alone is completely insignificant and they can't fucking vote. Nice you went out and located that pic to represent the people too. Nothing off on that whole rundown at all right WF?

Have they increased dramatically or is the administration inlfating numbers as usual?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/12/obama-admin-skews-deportation-figures/

You dont see why hes doing this? Add it all up Its an election year his support with Latinos is down however he has a carrot on a stick for the illegals he hopes it will gin up enough support for the legal ones. Hes playing politics as usual

As far as that picture. Where did MS-13 Originate from? El Salvador. So of someone scheduled to be booted out was not and is part of that gang murders someone or a non MS-13 Salvadoran mows someone down cause he drank too much , no biggie right?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-12-2012, 02:46 AM

Brown people don't write the talking points on Stormfront for WrestlingFan

No they are posting it on ther version aka the Mexica and reconquista websites

WRESTLINGFAN

01-12-2012, 02:49 AM

So you don't parrot shit all day huh?

And you want La Raza to champion the rights of what, Norwegians? I don't get your hang ups.

I'll phrase this the way you normally get your news...So you don't parrot shit all day huh? Pathetic attempt to sensationalize a complete non-story, or feel good story if anything.

Again, hes gotta win back some of that Latino support

So which is it? I get complaints when I dont post links and now youre complaining.

Yea allowing people who arent supposed to be here to stay is such a non story.

spoon

01-12-2012, 12:52 PM

SonOfSmeagol

01-12-2012, 03:34 PM

WF been called lots of things, but this is a first for "bottom ticker"

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2012, 02:20 AM

U don't pay attention / can't read Bc i said u post links w/o any description or give hyperbolic statements with them like some fox/drudge bottom ticker. Or u fail to show proof of a point in any way and then use a blogger or completely biased site as ur ref.

Fox this, Drudge that....... Yea we get it.

What biasness? The administration makes these blanket comments and then expects everyone to take them for their word.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2012, 09:12 AM

So which is it?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/politics/obama-federal-government/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

However he wants to elevite the SBA to a cabinet level position. Here comes a new federal agency

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204542404577158552529949064.html

That fucking dope doesnt want to cut anything.

A.J.

01-13-2012, 09:49 AM

Take a look at the Federal Yellow Book. Half that shit can be rolled into other Departments or done away with altogether.

SBA a Cabinet position? I wonder what the Secretary of Labor thinks of that.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2012, 10:50 AM

Really?

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Bob Impact

01-13-2012, 01:07 PM

God he is fucking HUGE.

Dude!

01-13-2012, 02:27 PM

God he is fucking HUGE.

disneyspy sleeps with him

disneyspy

01-13-2012, 03:12 PM

disneyspy sleeps with him

jealous girl

WRESTLINGFAN

01-15-2012, 05:42 AM

TooLowBrow

01-15-2012, 01:33 PM

Congressional Reform Act of 2012

1.

No tenure. No pension.

A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when out of office.
2.

Congress — past, present and future — participates in Social Security.
3.

All funds in congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system
Immediately. All future funds flow into this system and Congress participates with the rest of the American people.
4.

Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, as other Americans do.
5.

Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay rise. Congressional pay will rise with the lower of CPI or 3 percent.
6.

Congress loses their health-care system and participates in the same health-care system as the American people.
7.

Congress must equally abide by any laws they pass for the American people.
8.

All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective at once.

Congressmen/women made these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The founding fathers envisioned citizen legislators. Ours should serve their terms, then go home and go back to work.

cougarjake13

01-15-2012, 06:47 PM

is that real or just ur idea ?

hanso

01-15-2012, 06:58 PM

Well it's not Grover Norquist's.

spoon

01-16-2012, 07:56 AM

Well it's not Grover Norquist's.

:lol:

TooLowBrow

01-16-2012, 09:05 AM

is that real or just ur idea ?

warren buffet suggested it

WRESTLINGFAN

01-17-2012, 11:34 AM

Obama has to fuck up the happiest place on earth

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/the-daily-disney/os-obama-disney-visit-20120117,0,1018781.story

WRESTLINGFAN

01-17-2012, 11:39 AM

Why is Newsweek a rag that was sold for $ 1 ?

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/467681/original.jpg

Bob Impact

01-17-2012, 04:02 PM

Why use such a godawful picture of Obama for the cover?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-18-2012, 04:27 AM

Better than this one. He looks like he sat on a cucumber

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OR8dKL3XDN8/SHqUHJ2B2wI/AAAAAAAACQQ/NjJaJ1UaxQg/s400/obama_rollingstone.jpg

Bob Impact

01-18-2012, 12:40 PM

That one looks like a caricature.

spoon

01-18-2012, 08:03 PM

Obama has to fuck up the happiest place on earth

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/the-daily-disney/os-obama-disney-visit-20120117,0,1018781.story

yah, there you go with the idiotic lead ins

:wallbash:

WRESTLINGFAN

01-19-2012, 09:03 AM

Obama to the 99% FUCK YOU!!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-17/obama-will-give-acceptance-speech-in-74-000-seat-bank-of-america-stadium.html

furie

01-20-2012, 06:12 AM

At least he can sing...

WRESTLINGFAN

01-20-2012, 06:32 AM

He's no Al Green

A.J.

01-20-2012, 06:52 AM

Actually, that was pretty good.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-20-2012, 07:11 AM

Can't top this even though he was a candidate at the time

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A.J.

01-20-2012, 07:20 AM

Lock it up.

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Tenbatsuzen

01-25-2012, 08:24 AM

Obama was doing some serious bullshit spin last night.

1) Pumps up how Chrysler is growing - idiot, they were starting from nearly zero. Of course if they jump in sales they'd have the fastest growth rate around.

2) Talks about American innovation and slobbers Steve Jobs' knob... meanwhile, Jobs was an asshole when a lot of Apple's innovation came from Woz and Ive.

3) And to wrap everything up, talks about how American companies should be taken to task for outsourcing jobs...

then segues into Steve Jobs...

who outsources the manufacturing of his products to China and then sells them at a marked premium like they were built in the US.

Ignores the fact that if people can't afford to go to a 4 year school to start, go to Juco.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-25-2012, 09:13 AM

Syd

01-25-2012, 09:52 AM

Illegal immigration isn't a state level responsibility. Arizona should spend less time getting fleeced by companies and more time trying to get their house in order for what they're obligated to do for their citizens.

They weren't elected to lose $24 million dollars by selling a public building to a company and then having to buy it back a few years later because everyone realized what a horrible idea it was. Nor were they elected to have private individuals write laws for them for the specific purpose of making money off of private prisons.

Arizona is a giant shithole and thank god the same people that run the state and deny global warming are going to be the first to get fucked by it when the Colorado River no longer supplies enough water. Hopefully the ISS can get some photos of the big fat beached whales out in the middle of the desert.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-25-2012, 10:41 AM

Syd

01-25-2012, 10:45 AM

it's not their duty to enforce them. It's unconstitutional, the same thing "conservatives" rail against except when it is in their favor because they're petulant little manchildren.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-25-2012, 10:48 AM

Its not unconstitutional. They are not deporting anyone. They are simply handing them over to ICE agents for deportation

Unconstitutional is having a pourous border. See article 4 section 4 of the constitution.

Tenbatsuzen

01-25-2012, 10:51 AM

Arizona is doing the job the feds wont do, like enforcing laws already on the books. You have faceless bureaucrats 2500 miles away in DC saying that illegal aliens arent a problem and a president saying the border is more secure than ever.

Wanna talk shithole? Its California, Cant wait for the giant earthquake so that finally it just slides into the ocean and Phoenix will have beachfront property.

I agree with you that "illegal immigration" in the Northeast is a completely different animal than illegal immigration in the Southwest and near Mexico.

When in Arizona, I got into a deep conversation with a legal Mexican immigrant who basically said it's a huge problem because of crime and drugs.

They go north in the US to work. A large majority of those who stay in AZ, TX, CA just make trouble.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-25-2012, 11:03 AM

I agree with you that "illegal immigration" in the Northeast is a completely different animal than illegal immigration in the Southwest and near Mexico.

When in Arizona, I got into a deep conversation with a legal Mexican immigrant who basically said it's a huge problem because of crime and drugs.

They go north in the US to work. A large majority of those who stay in AZ, TX, CA just make trouble.

Gangbangers aren't just limited to East LA and the Southwest. MS-13 Gangs are all over the country and in many suburban areas. Long Island has a growing problem of them.

As far as the ones who do work, many have anchor babies which consumes social services. The ones who do pay federal income taxes are using stolen identities and receive more back than they contribute. Overall its a net loss to the country.

They arent the only guilty party. Its the landlords and companies who hire them. To solve it isnt to just round them up , its too costly. Just turn off the magnets like jobs, birthright citizenship for their children, welfare food stamps education, healthcare, (except for extreme emergencies) and they will leave on their own

WRESTLINGFAN

01-25-2012, 11:06 AM

it's not their duty to enforce them. It's unconstitutional, the same thing "conservatives" rail against except when it is in their favor because they're petulant little manchildren.

Unconstiituional is circumventing congress and giving amnesty to 400k illegals and starting a war in Libya without consent from congress.

Syd

01-25-2012, 11:44 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-25-2012, 11:57 AM

so Obama did something, and that makes it ok for everyone else to do something. I'm going to write my local congresspeople and see if they're up for carpetbombing Connecticutt with the Air Force reserves planes they keep here.

Obama is supposed to be Mr Constitutional scholar

There were a bunch of things Bush did like no child left behind, patriot act. Medicare part D, TSA that I disagreed with

If that happens just tell them to aim for Bridgeport, New Haven except for the Suburbs (A J is from there) and Hartford

Syd

01-25-2012, 12:37 PM

again, so Obama is a constitutional scholar and does something that you say is unconstitutional means it's fine for everyone else to do it? I know a lot of people that are lawyers but commit plenty of crimes, does that mean I get to commit any crimes I want?

I like your playground logic though.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-25-2012, 12:42 PM

Article 2 gives the president specific powers. Bypassing congress by starting wars isn't one of them. He's not a king

He's the Chief Executive of the fed gov't.

A CEO just cant do whatever he wants without consent from the Bd of Directors

Arizona is not doing anything unconstitutional. I'll break it down for you.

Speeding car gets pulled over. Driver has no license, registration insurance, doesnt speak english. Police run a check on him and its shown that he's an illegal alien.

Police hands him over to ICE, They put a detainer on him. Judge kicks him out via deportation

The local police cant just deport people.

TooLowBrow

01-25-2012, 12:43 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-25-2012, 12:48 PM

The president should get no leeway. Article 2 gives him specific powers.

Unfortunately Presidents have been overstepping their boundaries for at least 100 years

You can make an argument that it started with Jefferson and the Louisiana purchase.

Bob Impact

01-25-2012, 04:10 PM

so Obama did something, and that makes it ok for everyone else to do something. I'm going to write my local congresspeople and see if they're up for carpetbombing Connecticutt with the Air Force reserves planes they keep here.
Hey hey hey, stick to the southwest.

i think the president deserves a little more leeway than everyone else

Yeah but the constitution disagrees with you.

hanso

01-25-2012, 09:18 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2012, 02:15 AM

Buffetts sec is raking in the dough

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/01/25/warren-buffetts-secretary-likely-makes-between-200000-and-500000year/

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2012, 02:16 AM

They lead world sales now.

With taxpayers held hostage

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2012, 05:07 AM

Too bad Sheriff joe couldnt arrest him for arming Mexican drug cartels

http://news.yahoo.com/chilly-reception-obama-lands-phoenix-words-gop-governor-001215385--abc-news.html

Syd

01-26-2012, 05:26 AM

Buffetts sec is raking in the dough

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/01/25/warren-buffetts-secretary-likely-makes-between-200000-and-500000year/

is it $250k a year middle class? :clap:

Jujubees2

01-26-2012, 08:27 AM

is it $250k a year middle class? :clap:

According to the Republicans it is

SonOfSmeagol

01-26-2012, 09:41 AM

According to the Republicans it is

huh? that makes no sense. it's the dems blowing smoke up your ass on this one.

also How many millionaires and billionaires pay lower tax rates than middle-income families? The answer: not that many. (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/fact-check-the-richtheir-secretaries-and-taxes/)

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2012, 10:34 AM

Same shit, Different year

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Syd

01-26-2012, 10:48 AM

all of those are the same issues, I don't see how they went away because people bought new calendars

TripleSkeet

01-26-2012, 11:05 AM

huh? that makes no sense. it's the dems blowing smoke up your ass on this one.

also How many millionaires and billionaires pay lower tax rates than middle-income families? The answer: not that many. (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/fact-check-the-richtheir-secretaries-and-taxes/)

I think you missed the point of his comment. According to Democrats, making over $250k a year makes you rich. Republicans say thats not rich, thats middle class.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2012, 11:08 AM

250K is NOT rich. Its upper middle class.

Comparing a married couple with 2 kids living in the Northeast to an A list celebrity is a stretch

SonOfSmeagol

01-26-2012, 11:24 AM

According to Democrats, making over $250k a year makes you rich. Republicans say thats not rich, thats middle class.

who said what when? some bloggers or radio show? unreasonable generalizations on both those points...

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2012, 11:39 AM

Paying a fair share begins @ Home

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/25/tax-cheats-on-the-federal-rolls/

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2012, 12:02 PM

Obama Capital fails at venture capitalism again

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-26/ener1-battery-maker-seeks-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection.html

From the SOTU Speech

“I will. I’m directing my Administration to allow the development of clean energy on enough public land to power three million homes. And I’m proud to announce that the Department of Defense, the world’s largest consumer of energy, will make one of the largest commitments to clean energy in history – with the Navy purchasing enough capacity to power a quarter of a million homes a year.

What a fucking embarassment.

TripleSkeet

01-26-2012, 03:49 PM

250K is NOT rich. Its upper middle class.

Comparing a married couple with 2 kids living in the Northeast to an A list celebrity is a stretch

I have 2 kids and live in the northeast. If I made half of that Id be able to comfortably pay my bills, have a good amount of spending money and be able to save a nice chunk every month. I couldnt imagine what I would be able to do with that kind of money coming in. I guess thats why in my head I would consider that rich. Whats the line from lower middle class to poor? Because I never knew it but apparently most people I know are poor.

Jujubees2

01-26-2012, 05:06 PM

250K is NOT rich. Its upper middle class.

Comparing a married couple with 2 kids living in the Northeast to an A list celebrity is a stretch

I live in NYC with two kids and my wife and I combined make about half that and we live comfortably, including owning our own house.

Syd

01-26-2012, 09:40 PM

I live in the DC metro area, and $250k/year puts you in a rather posh all-white suburb with it's own police force.

Bob Impact

01-27-2012, 12:22 AM

Too bad Sheriff joe couldnt arrest him for arming Mexican drug cartels

http://news.yahoo.com/chilly-reception-obama-lands-phoenix-words-gop-governor-001215385--abc-news.html
Maybe Obama was trying to tell her that her book's title sounds like the ramblings of a crazy homeless person: "Scorpions for Breakfast: My Fight Against Special Interests, Liberal Media and Cynical Politicos to Secure America's Border."

is it $250k a year middle class? :clap:
Fuck arguing about the details of where 250K is and isn't wealthy, this is one of the greatest "point one where conservatives are being gigantic hypocrites" points I've seen in a long time.

Bob Impact

01-27-2012, 12:26 AM

Also, http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/15/business/one-percent-map.html
No more arguing about what is and isn't wealthy by area.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2012, 02:30 AM

Also, http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/01/15/business/one-percent-map.html
No more arguing about what is and isn't wealthy by area.

Damn liberal NY Times

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2012, 02:32 AM

Maybe Obama was trying to tell her that her book's title sounds like the ramblings of a crazy homeless person: "Scorpions for Breakfast: My Fight Against Special Interests, Liberal Media and Cynical Politicos to Secure America's Border."

Fuck arguing about the details of where 250K is and isn't wealthy, this is one of the greatest "point one where conservatives are being gigantic hypocrites" points I've seen in a long time.

Title was a bit off and too long.

Im waiting for the real book about Obamas old man. "Dreams of my father....Who abandoned me"

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2012, 03:21 AM

Last night Sharpton had some no name radio host on and they were both complaining how Brewer put her finger in Obamas face and discussing that secret service should have taken her down.

Sue a state for enforcing laws, then lecture on how a state should control its illegal alien problem, lose respect.

spoon

01-27-2012, 08:38 PM

is it $250k a year middle class? :clap:

yes, it's not rich by ANY means

spoon

01-27-2012, 08:40 PM

He touts clean energy but mentions nothing about the Solyndras and other failures of venture capitalism of taxdollars he doled out. The GM line, I knew he would throw that out but said nothing about how trick accounting methods have been used and its a net loss to taxpayers.

He wants to give amnesty to illegals but at the same time punishes states for mirroring federal law.

Fairness and accountability, tellthat to the family of the dead border agent in which weapons were sold from his own DoJ to Mexican drug cartels.

Gangbangers aren't just limited to East LA and the Southwest. MS-13 Gangs are all over the country and in many suburban areas. Long Island has a growing problem of them.

As far as the ones who do work, many have anchor babies which consumes social services. The ones who do pay federal income taxes are using stolen identities and receive more back than they contribute. Overall its a net loss to the country.

They arent the only guilty party. Its the landlords and companies who hire them. To solve it isnt to just round them up , its too costly. Just turn off the magnets like jobs, birthright citizenship for their children, welfare food stamps education, healthcare, (except for extreme emergencies) and they will leave on their own

Obama is supposed to be Mr Constitutional scholar

There were a bunch of things Bush did like no child left behind, patriot act. Medicare part D, TSA that I disagreed with

If that happens just tell them to aim for Bridgeport, New Haven except for the Suburbs (A J is from there) and Hartford

snore

same shit posts different day

parrot of parrots, even parrots thyself

spoon

01-27-2012, 08:41 PM

all of those are the same issues, I don't see how they went away because people bought new calendars

no no, one whole year went by and of course the infrastructure was magically repaired and upgraded as effectively as Cheney's bionic heart

spoon

01-27-2012, 08:44 PM

I live in NYC with two kids and my wife and I combined make about half that and we live comfortably, including owning our own house.

and when did you buy your home, 1990s or earlier...i bet you did or fixed something up

either that or the neighborhood isn't the best

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 03:02 AM

no no, one whole year went by and of course the infrastructure was magically repaired and upgraded as effectively as Cheney's bionic heart

Did you get that line on your own?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 03:05 AM

snore

same shit posts different day

parrot of parrots, even parrots thyself

Its replying to other comments and its relevant

Wanna talk parroting? Obama should be on a pirates shoulder

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spoon

01-28-2012, 03:08 AM

Did you get that line on your own?

yes

do you really think Cheney is oft spoke of these days?

spoon

01-28-2012, 03:10 AM

Its replying to other comments and its relevant

Wanna talk parroting? Obama should be on a pirates shoulder

yes, politicians will repeat their message, especially in election years and if the goal hasn't happened in such a short time as one year in which almost anything he attempted to do was blocked

you know DAMN well half your shit is recycled garbage tied to links to reinforce the bs that pretty much nobody open any longer

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 03:15 AM

yes, politicians will repeat their message, especially in election years and if the goal hasn't happened in such a short time as one year in which almost anything he attempted to do was blocked

you know DAMN well half your shit is recycled garbage tied to links to reinforce the bs that pretty much nobody open any longer

When Americans say no to Amnesty and other failed propositions Obama still doesnt get the message, he should get the point.

No , its making a valid counterpoint,

spoon

01-28-2012, 03:18 AM

When Americans say no to Amnesty and other failed propositions Obama still doesnt get the message, he should get the point.

No , its making a valid counterpoint,

like how the country didn't want health reform, higher taxes on the rich and tax reform to cut loopholes and other tax cheat methods for big corps?

and your idea of a valid counterpoint is clearly off

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 03:21 AM

like how the country didn't want health reform, higher taxes on the rich and tax reform to cut loopholes and other tax cheat methods for big corps?

and your idea of a valid counterpoint is clearly off

The country sure as hell didnt want a reform like Obamacare. Dodd Frank, look how thats turning out, Bailouts? not popular. Speaking of tax loopholes, you can refer to Obamas fav company ge

spoon

01-28-2012, 03:48 AM

The country sure as hell didnt want a reform like Obamacare. Dodd Frank, look how thats turning out, Bailouts? not popular. Speaking of tax loopholes, you can refer to Obamas fav company ge

Again, Obama is reaching out to GE here to work with one of the few US companies with some power in an effort to find middle ground and protect american jobs/workers. Companies and people would be stupid not to use every means possible (legal) to pay less, but that's why Obama wants to correct the loopholes and errors in the code. Once again, you toss out bs as if ANYONE once said GE is paying extra and Obama isn't working with them. I just don't get your line of thinking. You're basically are all over the fucking map with political catch phrases that seemingly are chum in the water for way too many ill informed individuals. And for the record/to make a point, it's not Obamacare, it's healthcare reform...but why make a point without some politically charged attack in there right? I can go on with this and just about every post you expel from your rectum, but I'm tapping out for a while bc it always seems so pointless with you. Some days I tire of it faster than others. Enjoy posting the links you find that nobody will read.

Jujubees2

01-28-2012, 04:31 AM

and when did you buy your home, 1990s or earlier...i bet you did or fixed something up

either that or the neighborhood isn't the best

1996 and the house had been owned by a women for 50 years who passed away so it needed a lot of cosmetic work.

epo

01-28-2012, 06:43 AM

The country sure as hell didnt want a reform like Obamacare. Dodd Frank, look how thats turning out, Bailouts? not popular. Speaking of tax loopholes, you can refer to Obamas fav company ge

The Affordable Care Act?

The irony is that if you look at the polling for the provisions of the Act, its wildly popular. Its only when the Fox News "Obamacare" slogan kicks in...do the numbers slip.

Why is that, Rupert Murdoch?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 09:31 AM

The Affordable Care Act?

The irony is that if you look at the polling for the provisions of the Act, its wildly popular. Its only when the Fox News "Obamacare" slogan kicks in...do the numbers slip.

Why is that, Rupert Murdoch?

Wildly popular with who? People who have no idea that it's taking from person A and giving to perso B

Fox isnt the only outlet refering to it as Obamacare

You should be the one who is opposed to it. Im sure you wanted single payer

Snacks

01-28-2012, 09:38 AM

Wildly popular with who? People who have no idea that it's taking from person A and giving to perso B

Fox isnt the only outlet refering to it as Obamacare

You should be the one who is opposed to it. Im sure you wanted single payer

Im opposed to it for that. I wanted a single payer and thats what obama should have stuck with. what sucks about obamacare is that the insurance companies cant turn you down but can charge you whatever they want. when they switched from the single payer idea to this new system they should have put in some kind of max price or some kind of guidelines on pricing. even though the ins company wont turn you down with a pre-existing condition all they have to do is charge you some ridiculous amount and people will have to turn it down themselves.

zildjian361

01-28-2012, 09:41 AM

gas has already gone up in 45cents in the last month. it' a start.

things could be worse.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 11:50 AM

spoon

01-28-2012, 12:50 PM

Wasnt Obama supposed to be about accountability and responsibility and transparancy?

Why the fuck is Holder still atty gen after the fast and furious debacle?

This is much worse than the US atty scandal under Gonzalez

huh?

seriously though, you should ask this more often, in more threads and probably add 50 links a day too. not to mention, you seem to not see the dif bt gonzalez's involvement versys holder's in both cases, not to mention their extreme abuse of power differences. both aren't good, surely, but do you fail to see the implicit differences at all?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 12:59 PM

huh?

seriously though, you should ask this more often, in more threads and probably add 50 links a day too. not to mention, you seem to not see the dif bt gonzalez's involvement versys holder's in both cases, not to mention their extreme abuse of power differences. both aren't good, surely, but do you fail to see the implicit differences at all?

No one is defending Gonzalez. he had to step down

Youre saying the Gonzalez scandal is worse than fast and furious? Now thats a false equivalency Nobody was killed during the US Atty scandal. Under fast and furious a border agent was killed and more than 150 Mexicans killed and counting. Plus more weapons are unaccounted for which will result in more murders

Also theres obstruction of justice, perjury and fall guys in Fast and Furious.

In regards to suing Arizona, Holder admitted he did not read the 15 page illegal alien bill aka SB 1070

Either Holder is lying or incompetent. More will come out when hes standing fast before Issas committee next week

How the fuck can you think that this isnt more controversial than the US Atty saga?

Like the scumbags they are DoJ did the usual friday document dump yesterday regarding this scandal.

hanso

01-28-2012, 04:06 PM

250K is NOT rich. Its upper middle class.

Comparing a married couple with 2 kids living in the Northeast to an A list celebrity is a stretch

98% of Americans make less than 250k a Year

hanso

01-28-2012, 04:09 PM

hanso

01-28-2012, 04:19 PM

When Americans say no to Amnesty and other failed propositions Obama still doesnt get the message, he should get the point.

No , its making a valid counterpoint,

The dream act has popularity support, always had.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 04:24 PM

The dream act has popularity support, always had.

Popular support Among illegal aliens youre right on that

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 04:24 PM

98% of Americans make less than 250k a Year

Still doesnt classify someone as rich. Its lowering the bar

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 04:26 PM

This is outstanding. The Navy should help with water shortages as well. They have ships with reverse osmosis water generators.

Thats not the purpose of a Navy, Its to protect commerce along the high seas.

Plus since federal taxes pay for the Navy, I would be subsidizing someones electricity bill.

No thanks

hanso

01-28-2012, 05:00 PM

Popular support Among illegal aliens youre right on that
No popularity polls you must have looked past all this time.
Thats not the purpose of a Navy, Its to protect commerce along the high seas.

Plus since federal taxes pay for the Navy, I would be subsidizing someones electricity bill.

No thanks

They plug in to our infrastructure in shore and use a fair share of it. Did you not read from the quote you posted?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-28-2012, 05:06 PM

No popularity polls you must have looked past all this time.

They plug in to our infrastructure in shore and use a fair share of it. Did you not read from the quote you posted?

Yup it has an 100% approval rate for people here illegally, should we listen to them?
Shame on the parents for using their kids as cash cows.

We are still subsidizing electricity for people hundreds of miles away.

spoon

01-28-2012, 07:33 PM

98% of Americans make less than 250k a Year

yes, most Americans are fucking poor and even more right at the poverty line...stop lowering the bar and hence the expected way of life here in the US and beyond

not to mention ur math is off

spoon

01-28-2012, 09:16 PM

No one is defending Gonzalez. he had to step down

Youre saying the Gonzalez scandal is worse than fast and furious? Now thats a false equivalency Nobody was killed during the US Atty scandal. Under fast and furious a border agent was killed and more than 150 Mexicans killed and counting. Plus more weapons are unaccounted for which will result in more murders

Also theres obstruction of justice, perjury and fall guys in Fast and Furious.

In regards to suing Arizona, Holder admitted he did not read the 15 page illegal alien bill aka SB 1070

Either Holder is lying or incompetent. More will come out when hes standing fast before Issas committee next week

How the fuck can you think that this isnt more controversial than the US Atty saga?

Like the scumbags they are DoJ did the usual friday document dump yesterday regarding this scandal.

It's not that one is worse than the other, both have their terrible factors and consequences, it's about the difference of involvement and knowledge of the two you mention (gonz and holder).

WRESTLINGFAN

01-29-2012, 05:15 AM

US Atty scandal doesnt have dead bodies with more coming and 1400 weapons unaccounted for.

hanso

01-29-2012, 05:18 AM

Thats not the purpose of a Navy, Its to protect commerce along the high seas.

Plus since federal taxes pay for the Navy, I would be subsidizing someones electricity bill.

No thanks

Don't think he ment the Navy would be powering houses. It was ment as a unit of measure for the use of newer alternative energy sources.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-30-2012, 09:38 AM

Liz Warren claims she's not wealthy.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/27/millionaire-elizabeth-warren-misleads-on-wealthy-im-not-one-of-them-video/

keithy_19

01-30-2012, 06:07 PM

This has nothing to do with anything negative about president Obama, but I just remembered that my ex, very white girlfriend, told me that she cried when he was elected. Give me a fucking break. Just because you pretend to be a hippy doesn't give you any stake in any racial thing that happens.

A.J.

01-31-2012, 03:24 AM

I also cried when he was elected -- but not for the same reasons.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-31-2012, 05:34 AM

http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/12/2012/01/24/105107_600.jpg

Syd

01-31-2012, 11:42 AM

http://i.imgur.com/fEpqm.jpg

WRESTLINGFAN

01-31-2012, 11:49 AM

http://i.imgur.com/fEpqm.jpg

:lol:

epo

01-31-2012, 04:28 PM

http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/12/2012/01/24/105107_600.jpg

Quick... FOLLOW REINCE'S SHITTY TALKING POINTS!!!!!!

WRESTLINGFAN

02-01-2012, 02:18 AM

Quick... FOLLOW REINCE'S SHITTY TALKING POINTS!!!!!!

It's a fucking cartoon

Like Debbie Waaserman Schultz doesnt spout them out.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-01-2012, 02:30 AM

the almost media blackout of fast and furious, but the US Atty Scandal of Alberto Gonzalez was fucking non stop.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-02-2012, 07:08 AM

A.J.

02-02-2012, 07:11 AM

Obamas new fiasco is requiring Catholic hospitals agencies etc to provide birth control and contraception.

In one way, I believe religious institutions should not be tax exempt and they should pay taxes.

However doesnt this interfere with freedom of religion? I think it should be voluntary if anything in regards to contraception.

They interviewed one of my old CUA professors about this. (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/01/is-obama-losing-the-catholic-vote/?hpt=hp_t2)

WRESTLINGFAN

02-02-2012, 07:18 AM

I dont know how much it will be a factor but states like OH and PA are key states.

He did pull 54% of that vote according to that report

Jujubees2

02-02-2012, 08:18 AM

Obamas new fiasco is requiring Catholic hospitals agencies etc to provide birth control and contraception.

In one way, I believe religious institutions should not be tax exempt and they should pay taxes.

However doesnt this interfere with freedom of religion? I think it should be voluntary if anything in regards to contraception.

Yeah but I bet those Catholic organizations provide Viagara under their health insurances.

Dude!

02-02-2012, 08:35 AM

Yeah but I bet those Catholic organizations provide Viagara under their health insurances.

only to priests

WRESTLINGFAN

02-02-2012, 08:44 AM

Yeah but I bet those Catholic organizations provide Viagara under their health insurances.

Theres a valid argument if they provide viagra but not birth control.

However I havent heard that the gov't mandates that they do

spoon

02-02-2012, 08:46 AM

Obamas new fiasco is requiring Catholic hospitals agencies etc to provide birth control and contraception.

In one way, I believe religious institutions should not be tax exempt and they should pay taxes.

However doesnt this interfere with freedom of religion? I think it should be voluntary if anything in regards to contraception.

I think this is a GREAT idea. Fuck the catholic church imposing their will on community hospitals bc they were founded by nuns 200 years ago. The church has NOTHING to do with medicine and should shut the fuck up with this bs attitude on contraception.

spoon

02-02-2012, 09:00 AM

Theres a valid argument if they provide viagra but not birth control.

However I havent heard that the gov't mandates that they do

"We're beginning to say to our people this is what the issue is, it's wrong, we've never experienced this in the history of our country before, this is a violation of the basic rights of conscience and religious liberty. So you need to know that and you need to speak up," he said.

From AJ's linked article. My problem is they still have a right to refuse use, but others outside their religion, the majority in say catholic hospitals, have to pay full out of pocket to do so. It's not right to impose your archaic religious beliefs on the masses when the community only has one choice for a hospital (for this example). Hell, you may actually BE a catholic and disagree with said policy but have no choice but to follow it or pay huge out of pocket costs for things like birth control and in vitro fertilization. Taking money from the government, subsidies and grants should immediately open this up. The only way you should be able to block said therapies is if you are a strict religious facility such as a school that hires only strict catholics. If you hire others, you already lost your argument in my mind bc it's picking and choosing where you draw the line. You can't hire Protestant professors, Muslim doctors or atheists and claim this pure code for all in the name of your religion. Hell, most Catholics don't even agree at this point on contraception/birth control...outside of the Duggars.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-02-2012, 09:10 AM

I think this is a GREAT idea. Fuck the catholic church imposing their will on community hospitals bc they were founded by nuns 200 years ago. The church has NOTHING to do with medicine and should shut the fuck up with this bs attitude on contraception.

What the fuck does that mean? Nuns cant care for the sick if they have proper medical training? Isnt that one of the fundamentals of Christianity ?

What this will lead to is Catholic hospitals shutting down if this is enforced.

spoon

02-02-2012, 09:23 AM

What the fuck does that mean? Nuns cant care for the sick if they have proper medical training? Isnt that one of the fundamentals of Christianity ?

What this will lead to is Catholic hospitals shutting down if this is enforced.

no and no

Not only do the nuns at catholic churches do pretty much NOTHING on the medical side of things outside of sitting on the hospital board out of respect and work the in-hospital church and volunteer at the desks, these hospitals WOULD NOT BE CLOSED DOWN. Come on, they are beyond symbolic in nature at this point and it's comical for you to suggest a hospital would be shut bc they lose some SMALL private funding to keep up the name sake.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-02-2012, 09:54 AM

They closed down in Massachusetts when mandated to follow same sex adoptions

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=19017

Most likely they will do the same for contraception

WRESTLINGFAN

02-02-2012, 10:57 AM

Interesting article. And the author isnt on the right either.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72329.html

WRESTLINGFAN

02-02-2012, 12:10 PM

Praise Jesus!! Amen!!!!!!!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/obama-i-pushed-dodd-frank-and-health-care-reform

spoon

02-02-2012, 09:02 PM

They closed down in Massachusetts when mandated to follow same sex adoptions

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=19017

Most likely they will do the same for contraception

great tie in, the poor catholic church won't be able to LITERALLY dick around children as they see fit with ADOPTION AGENCIES in a conversation about hospitals

perfect...just perfect

hanso

02-02-2012, 09:37 PM

Obamas new fiasco is requiring Catholic hospitals agencies etc to provide birth control and contraception.

In one way, I believe religious institutions should not be tax exempt and they should pay taxes.

However doesnt this interfere with freedom of religion? I think it should be voluntary if anything in regards to contraception.

Well that's just a War Against Religion! Scoff!

This has already been enabled going back a decade or more. They have been doing end arounds from that time. If they want to keep doing so then pay taxes.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 05:20 AM

This fucker Holder is a real piece of garbage, sadly his boss wont even ask for his resignation.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57371013/ag-holder-house-republicans-clash-over-documents/

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What the fuck does that mean? This happens in Idaho or wherever youre from.

Holder is nothing but an incompetent and a political hack. His record with the Clinton adminstration stunk and it’s even worse now with Obama.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 05:23 AM

great tie in, the poor catholic church won't be able to LITERALLY dick around children as they see fit with ADOPTION AGENCIES in a conversation about hospitals

perfect...just perfect

Persecute the church, they say fuck it and will shut down. Its the gov't infringing on religious liberty.
Thats like saying the church is required to perform gay weddings
I would defend a Muslim agency too if they chose not to allow gays to adopt.

There are other agencies that do. and I have no objection to that.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 09:27 AM

Yay unemployment drops!!!!!!!!!

But heres the real reason why

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/record-12-million-people-fall-out-labor-force-one-month-labor-force-participation-rate-tumbles-

Furtherman

02-03-2012, 09:54 AM

Yay unemployment drops!!!!!!!!!

But heres the real reason why

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/record-12-million-people-fall-out-labor-force-one-month-labor-force-participation-rate-tumbles-

And here I thought it was going to be blamed on all that... uh... non-seasonal?... hiring.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 10:21 AM

More trick accounting.The Bureau of Labor stats changed both numerator and denominator in their birth death metrics system along with the 1.2 million dropping out. Voila 8.3 rate

Bob Impact

02-03-2012, 10:59 AM

Or a Census. Here's an article from a real source: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/02/03/whats-behind-the-unemployment-rate-drop/

Jujubees2

02-03-2012, 12:29 PM

Or a Census. Here's an article from a real source: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/02/03/whats-behind-the-unemployment-rate-drop/

Yeah but I heard they switched the square root of the exponent and divided it by the inverse tangent of the cosine. That's how they really got 8.3% (It was actually 8.349999999999999999999999 percent but they rounded up).

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 12:44 PM

Another gift of Obamacare

http://www.dotmed.com/news/story/17999/

spoon

02-03-2012, 01:33 PM

so they weren't taxed and always should have been

the proposed tax fix was proposed way back when and has been brought down to the current level by relentless lobbying...now they want it gone completely

This small tax will help cover millions and you call it a gift? Two sides to every coin.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 02:12 PM

Its a gift when its taking from the provider class to give to the recipient class

You should be pissed at Obama care even more. You probably want single payer

spoon

02-03-2012, 02:22 PM

Its a gift when its taking from the provider class to give to the recipient class

You should be pissed at Obama care even more. You probably want single payer

so business shouldn't be taxed and they are the provider class?

make sense

and yes, single payer sounds good if done right

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 02:26 PM

so business shouldn't be taxed and they are the provider class?

make sense

and yes, single payer sounds good if done right

Didnt say that, but is taking from the provider class to the recipient class for an unconstitutional entitlement right?

Single payer would be a bigger mess here trying to cover 310 million people

spoon

02-03-2012, 02:33 PM

Didnt say that, but is taking from the provider class to the recipient class for an unconstitutional entitlement right?

Single payer would be a bigger mess here trying to cover 310 million people

didn't say that?

ok wf, you didn't completely push that idea with the last post right...:wallbash:

we're talking about your fucking link and the story within, you're now going off on 50 tangents...again

FOCUS

the med device companies are fighting to NOT be taxed, not some "provider class" warfare...whatever the fuck you mean with parroting "provider class"

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 04:59 PM

didn't say that?

ok wf, you didn't completely push that idea with the last post right...:wallbash:

we're talking about your fucking link and the story within, you're now going off on 50 tangents...again

FOCUS

the med device companies are fighting to NOT be taxed, not some "provider class" warfare...whatever the fuck you mean with parroting "provider class"

Those companies dont want to be taxed to pay for another new entitlement program.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 05:02 PM

Wow The parrots on MSNBC are jizzing in their pants over the phony 8.3% rate

Syd

02-03-2012, 07:20 PM

Wow The parrots on MSNBC are jizzing in their pants over the phony 8.3% rate

Professional and business services continued to add jobs in January
(+70,000). About half of the increase occurred in employment services
(+33,000). Job gains also occurred in accounting and bookkeeping
(+13,000) and in architectural and engineering services (+7,000).

Over the month, employment in leisure and hospitality increased by
44,000, primarily in food services and drinking places (+33,000).
Since a recent low in February 2010, food services has added 487,000
jobs.

In January, health care employment continued to grow (+31,000). Within
the industry, hospitals and ambulatory care services each added 13,000
jobs.

Wholesale trade employment increased by 14,000 over the month. Since a
recent employment low in May 2010, wholesale trade has added 144,000
jobs.

Employment in retail trade continued to trend up in January. Job gains
in department stores (+19,000), health and personal care stores
(+7,000), and automobile dealers (+7,000) were partially offset by
losses in clothing and clothing accessory stores (-14,000). Since an
employment trough in December 2009, retail trade has added 390,000
jobs.

In January, employment in information declined by 13,000, including a
loss of 8,000 jobs in the motion picture and sound recording industry.

In the goods-producing sector, manufacturing added 50,000 jobs. Nearly
all of the increase occurred in durable goods manufacturing, with job
growth in fabricated metal products (+11,000), machinery (+11,000),
and motor vehicles and parts (+8,000). Durable goods manufacturing has
added 418,000 jobs over the past 2 years.

Employment in construction increased by 21,000 in January, following a
gain of 31,000 in the previous month. Over the past 2 months,
nonresidential specialty trade contractors added 30,000 jobs.

Mining added 10,000 jobs in January, with most of the gain in support
activities for mining (+8,000). Since a recent low in October 2009,
mining employment has expanded by 172,000.

It's not bullshit, jobs are actually being added to the most vital part of any economy: making durable goods. It's some of the most absolutely good news to happen in a long, long time.

keithy_19

02-03-2012, 08:00 PM

It's not bullshit, jobs are actually being added to the most vital part of any economy: making durable goods. It's some of the most absolutely good news to happen in a long, long time.

You made all that up.

jennysmurf

02-03-2012, 08:15 PM

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/internet-memes-beats-newt-gingrich-every-day.jpg

WRESTLINGFAN

02-03-2012, 08:46 PM

keithy_19

02-03-2012, 09:14 PM

Most economists expect the unemployment numbers to go back up later this year. Also the GDP growth is anemic at best.

Much of the Q4 expansion was due to companies ordering more goods to restock.

That 8.3% number is skewed due to 1.2 million people leaving the workforce. Also when you factor U6 Its about 16%. About 24 million are underemployed.

Now you've gone and made up all those numbers!

I'm starting to think the guy with the boot makes a valid point.

Syd

02-03-2012, 09:14 PM

Most economists expect the unemployment numbers to go back up later this year. Also the GDP growth is anemic at best.

Much of the Q4 expansion was due to companies ordering more goods to restock.

That 8.3% number is skewed due to 1.2 million people leaving the workforce. Also when you factor U6 Its about 16%. About 24 million are underemployed.

yet, the job numbers were surprising to the same economists

also if you check the chart, all the unemployment numbers went down making the 1.2 million people thing just a Fox News talking point. The U-6 has improved, flat out, no matter how hard you spin it.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 01:27 AM

Has nothing to do with Fox news.

Those #s are from the Bureau of Labor stats

Syd

02-04-2012, 05:32 AM

Has nothing to do with Fox news.

Those #s are from the Bureau of Labor stats

Fox News is the only one parroting it because they're desperate to keep viewers watching. Their ad revenue will take a serious hit when being unilaterally anti-Obama isn't possible.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 05:43 AM

Fox News is the only one parroting it because they're desperate to keep viewers watching. Their ad revenue will take a serious hit when being unilaterally anti-Obama isn't possible.

The article I posted was from zerohedge.com

Thats not fox news.

And MSNBC are parroting the phony unemployment rate and thinks the economy is booming

Labor force is shrinking, see below

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/01/Participation%20Rate.jpg

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 05:54 AM

Meal team 6

If youre at the game you can feel safer that big sis has enlisted the help of food vendors

http://newstalk870.am/tsa-trains-hot-dog-vendors-in-anti-terrorism-at-super-bowl/

hanso

02-04-2012, 06:48 AM

The article I posted was from zerohedge.com

Thats not fox news.

And MSNBC are parroting the phony unemployment rate and thinks the economy is booming

Labor force is shrinking, see below

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/01/Participation%20Rate.jpg

And they got it from the Department of Labor. Little better than whatever blog that is.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 07:27 AM

Labor force participation is at record lows tax revenues cant support this level of employment.

What happened to the 1.2 Million people who have dropped out of the labor force???

Bob Impact

02-04-2012, 08:59 AM

Jesus tap dancing christ, I posted the answer literally on the same page:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/02/03/whats-behind-the-unemployment-rate-drop/

Here’s what happened: According to the Census Bureau, the civilian population grew by 1.5 million people in 2011. But the growth wasn’t distributed evenly. Most of the growth came among people 55 and older and, to a lesser degree, by people 16-24 years old. Both groups are less likely to work than people in their mid-20s to early 50s. So the share of the population that’s working is actually lower than previously believed. Taking that into account, the employment-population ratio went up. The unemployment rate wasn’t affected.

“There was not a big increase in discouraged workers,” economist Betsey Stevenson commented on Twitter. “What happened was Census found a bunch of old people we had assumed died.”

cougarjake13

02-04-2012, 09:36 AM

I think wrestlingfan needs a screen name change he's hardly ever in that forum

Maybe politico fan ?

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 11:30 AM

In Obamas DoJ whistleblowers get reprimanded and gunrunners get promotions

http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ZZ327EAD11.jpg

Bob Impact

02-04-2012, 12:19 PM

Jesus tap dancing christ, I posted the answer literally on the same page:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/02/03/whats-behind-the-unemployment-rate-drop/

In Obamas DoJ whistleblowers get reprimanded and gunrunners get promotions

http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ZZ327EAD11.jpg

I love when you decide to just completely ignore a point that doesn't fit into your narrative about how Obama is the antichrist.

hanso

02-04-2012, 12:29 PM

Labor force participation is at record lows tax revenues cant support this level of employment.

What happened to the 1.2 Million people who have dropped out of the labor force???

We are closing in on 4 Mil jobs added. By the end of Obama's first term it should surpass it, more then Dubya's two terms.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 12:33 PM

I love when you decide to just completely ignore a point that doesn't fit into your narrative about how Obama is the antichrist.

Heres another breakdown

"The devil is in the details. From December to January, 1.2 million people just disappeared from the labor force. That has dropped the participation rate from 64% to 63.7%, a new thirty year low. Look even further and the numbers get worse. The part-time workforce increased by 699,000 jobs while full time jobs increased by 80,000. Ninety percent of all "new" jobs came from part-time work.

The most interesting aspect is the fuzzy math. The civilian population is 242.2 million people. If you apply the long-term average civilian labor force participation rate of 65.8% you get 159.4 million people in the work force. But, the BLS reports we there are only 154.5 million in the work force. A paltry 5 million person difference!

Add the five million people to the 12.758 million reported unemployed by the BLS and there are 17.776 million unemployed people. Divide 17.776 by 154.5 and you get and 11.5% unemployment rate. Yet, the BLS reports an 8.3% unemployment rate. The 3.2% difference between the real unemployment rate and the BLS unemployment rate also set a thirty year high. "

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 12:38 PM

We are closing in on 4 Mil jobs added. By the end of Obama's first term it should surpass it, more then Dubya's two terms.

How many are permanent jobs? Census workers were hired by the millions but that was temporary.

The economy will not rebound until housing recovers. The administration keeps interfering and prices have not hit bottom.

Throw Quantitative easing and another round coming, it inflates the stock market bubble, makes the dollar weaker, energy and food prices skyrocket.

The fed is keeping rates artificially low, Money supply increased which means existing money becomes worth less

hanso

02-04-2012, 12:41 PM

The answer is plain. We need to do away with the BLS.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 12:53 PM

The answer is plain. We need to do away with the BLS.

Also Energy Dept. Education Dept , Homeland security, to name a few

Rick Perry I hope you read this. If you decide to run, theres 3 agencies right there

hanso

02-04-2012, 12:57 PM

How many are permanent jobs? Census workers were hired by the millions but that was temporary.

The economy will not rebound until housing recovers. The administration keeps interfering and prices have not hit bottom.

Throw Quantitative easing and another round coming, it inflates the stock market bubble, makes the dollar weaker, energy and food prices
skyrocket.

The fed is keeping rates artificially low, Money supply increased which means existing money becomes worth less

Oh that's right under Bush all that stuff was accounted for just like his two wars, and tax code.

Bob Impact

02-04-2012, 12:58 PM

Heres another breakdown

"The devil is in the details. From December to January, 1.2 million people just disappeared from the labor force. That has dropped the participation rate from 64% to 63.7%, a new thirty year low. Look even further and the numbers get worse. The part-time workforce increased by 699,000 jobs while full time jobs increased by 80,000. Ninety percent of all "new" jobs came from part-time work.

The most interesting aspect is the fuzzy math. The civilian population is 242.2 million people. If you apply the long-term average civilian labor force participation rate of 65.8% you get 159.4 million people in the work force. But, the BLS reports we there are only 154.5 million in the work force. A paltry 5 million person difference!

Add the five million people to the 12.758 million reported unemployed by the BLS and there are 17.776 million unemployed people. Divide 17.776 by 154.5 and you get and 11.5% unemployment rate. Yet, the BLS reports an 8.3% unemployment rate. The 3.2% difference between the real unemployment rate and the BLS unemployment rate also set a thirty year high. "
Yet again, the answer is in the article I posted.
The adjustments had other effects, as well. They made drop in the number of unemployed look smaller than it really was, and the rise in the number of employed look bigger. And because the Labor Department doesn’t readjust its historical data to account for the new calculations, it isn’t possible to compare January’s figures on employment, unemployment and similar measures to those from earlier months.

hanso

02-04-2012, 01:00 PM

Also Energy Dept. Education Dept , Homeland security, to name a few

Rick Perry I hope you read this. If you decide to run, theres 3 agencies right there

It's working so well in the EU no one is in the streets.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 01:03 PM

Oh that's right under Bush all that stuff was accounted for just like his two wars, and tax code.

Revenues were at record levels. However.....

Whos defending the lavish spending of the previous admin when he had both houses until Jan 2007 and unnecessary Iraq war? Throw in Medicare part D another trillion dollar entitlement
Bush was a big gov't republican who expanded the gov't the most since LBJ. Just because he invoked god all the time doesnt make him a conservative.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 01:04 PM

It's working so well in the EU no one is in the streets.

Wait till the collapse.

hanso

02-04-2012, 01:06 PM

More trick accounting.The Bureau of Labor stats changed both numerator and denominator in their birth death metrics system along with the 1.2 million dropping out. Voila 8.3 rate

Or a Census. Here's an article from a real source: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/02/03/whats-behind-the-unemployment-rate-drop/

The WJ how solid.

The missing dead have to be the scourge of vast numbers due to voter frauds.

Syd

02-04-2012, 01:18 PM

Throw Quantitative easing and another round coming, it inflates the stock market bubble, makes the dollar weaker, energy and food prices skyrocket.

The fed is keeping rates artificially low, Money supply increased which means existing money becomes worth less

A weaker dollar is better for 99% of America. Also, the dollar is worth quite a bit; the Fed is going to probably trot out negative yields soon. So, banks are going to pay the government to take money. If inflation was an issue, the yields wouldn't be as they are. No matter how hard people complain about inflation and a weak dollar the absolute fact is the economy of the world disagrees quite loudly that the dollar is weak.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 01:53 PM

Syd

02-04-2012, 02:28 PM

A weaker dollar cuts into purchasing power, kind of a reduction in real income. It increases costs of imports, leads to an unlikely trade deficit reduction especially with China manipulating its currency.

A weaker dollar reduces the debt burden, which in a time when people are severely underwater on homes that would be a boon to consumer spending. Kind of an increase in real income. It increases costs on imports, but also makes our exports much more lucrative.

While high inflation is always bad, low levels of inflation are good for every single person that isn't part of the financial industry. If you own people's debt, you want deflation. If you have any sort of debt whatsoever, you want inflation.

Plus, on top of all of that inflation encourages spending. If inflation outpaces "natural" inflation (ever-increasing costs of energy) you are in a situation that if you don't spend, your money is slowly burning up.

hanso

02-04-2012, 04:00 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 04:07 PM

Price increases can lead to those. Look at XOM for 2011. When Gas was over $4 it led to those profits

spoon

02-04-2012, 04:20 PM

A weaker dollar is better for 99% of America. Also, the dollar is worth quite a bit; the Fed is going to probably trot out negative yields soon. So, banks are going to pay the government to take money. If inflation was an issue, the yields wouldn't be as they are. No matter how hard people complain about inflation and a weak dollar the absolute fact is the economy of the world disagrees quite loudly that the dollar is weak.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yield

yah there is this little thing called demand (remember that one WF!) that will limit inflation no matter how much money the US floods into the system...bottom line is, inflation is lower over the last few years compared to the average over the last 30.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-04-2012, 04:32 PM

Syd

02-04-2012, 07:10 PM

it weakens the role of the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency. Investors and banks re concerned because the value of their investments decline.

China has voiced many times about our weak dollar. Both India and China are increasing their gold investments.

Inflation has jack and shit to do with the reserve currency, it has to do with who is the biggest swinging dick in the consumer world. America is the largest economy, the USD is the reserve currency. In fact, being able to print money is a huge bonus since it guarantees the debt will be repaid in some form, and the market can't be too flooded with currency because of the size of the consumer economy.

China has voice many times about the weak dollar, but, do you think it's because of inflation or because they have no ability to influence the Federal Reserve? The yuan is tied to the dollar, and a currency unit that is weak is very, very beneficial to net-export countries. So, why would China complain about being able to more easily be able to sell goods?

No, they just saw what US financial companies were doing (look at Greece) and wanted to get in on it. Because of the tight controls China has over it's economy, it has no real ability to interact in the global financial world because no one wants their shit to be randomly nationalized or changed in value because China was trying something out.

Also gold doesn't really matter at the national level, no matter how much 1800-sellyourgoldjewelry.com says. Lanthanides are what matters -- but ol' Rushbo ain't going to go about explaining why high temperature superconductors are important or why yttrium is one of the absolute most valuable minerals out there (though to be fair, yttrium ain't a lanthanide)

There aren't really companies that allow you to invest in them right now but when it does happen you'll hear the dittoheads talking up colloidal erbium and why you should sell your old welding equipment to 1800-cerium4cash

That's the shit that matters in the future because damn near anything we make that is in any way technologically advanced is using those, and China has the largest single reserves in the world of it, even after the massive find that happened in Afghanistan. When you saw that story that popped up about the WTO you should have paid more attention to it because if China says fuck you to the rest of the world and shuts down their exports, the price of every single thing we take for granted, from the iPhone to lighting equipment used in TV shows and movies is going to skyrocket.

hanso

02-04-2012, 07:33 PM

Price increases can lead to those. Look at XOM for 2011. When Gas was over $4 it led to those profits

And we exported more than we took in.

Bob Impact

02-05-2012, 03:46 AM

Inflation has jack and shit to do with the reserve currency, it has to do with who is the biggest swinging dick in the consumer world. America is the largest economy, the USD is the reserve currency. In fact, being able to print money is a huge bonus since it guarantees the debt will be repaid in some form, and the market can't be too flooded with currency because of the size of the consumer economy.

China has voice many times about the weak dollar, but, do you think it's because of inflation or because they have no ability to influence the Federal Reserve? The yuan is tied to the dollar, and a currency unit that is weak is very, very beneficial to net-export countries. So, why would China complain about being able to more easily be able to sell goods?

No, they just saw what US financial companies were doing (look at Greece) and wanted to get in on it. Because of the tight controls China has over it's economy, it has no real ability to interact in the global financial world because no one wants their shit to be randomly nationalized or changed in value because China was trying something out.

Also gold doesn't really matter at the national level, no matter how much 1800-sellyourgoldjewelry.com says. Lanthanides are what matters -- but ol' Rushbo ain't going to go about explaining why high temperature superconductors are important or why yttrium is one of the absolute most valuable minerals out there (though to be fair, yttrium ain't a lanthanide)

There aren't really companies that allow you to invest in them right now but when it does happen you'll hear the dittoheads talking up colloidal erbium and why you should sell your old welding equipment to 1800-cerium4cash

That's the shit that matters in the future because damn near anything we make that is in any way technologically advanced is using those, and China has the largest single reserves in the world of it, even after the massive find that happened in Afghanistan. When you saw that story that popped up about the WTO you should have paid more attention to it because if China says fuck you to the rest of the world and shuts down their exports, the price of every single thing we take for granted, from the iPhone to lighting equipment used in TV shows and movies is going to skyrocket.

Well said.
Not to mention that China is the single biggest producer of gold in the world.

Forbes article that helps explain the details around China and gold: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2012/01/29/why-are-the-chinese-buying-record-quantities-of-gold/

WRESTLINGFAN

02-05-2012, 05:55 AM

The case for a strong dollar.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/schiff/schiff53.1.html

WRESTLINGFAN

02-05-2012, 06:13 AM

Inflation has jack and shit to do with the reserve currency, it has to do with who is the biggest swinging dick in the consumer world. America is the largest economy, the USD is the reserve currency. In fact, being able to print money is a huge bonus since it guarantees the debt will be repaid in some form, and the market can't be too flooded with currency because of the size of the consumer economy.

China has voice many times about the weak dollar, but, do you think it's because of inflation or because they have no ability to influence the Federal Reserve? The yuan is tied to the dollar, and a currency unit that is weak is very, very beneficial to net-export countries. So, why would China complain about being able to more easily be able to sell goods?

No, they just saw what US financial companies were doing (look at Greece) and wanted to get in on it. Because of the tight controls China has over it's economy, it has no real ability to interact in the global financial world because no one wants their shit to be randomly nationalized or changed in value because China was trying something out.

Also gold doesn't really matter at the national level, no matter how much 1800-sellyourgoldjewelry.com says. Lanthanides are what matters -- but ol' Rushbo ain't going to go about explaining why high temperature superconductors are important or why yttrium is one of the absolute most valuable minerals out there (though to be fair, yttrium ain't a lanthanide)

There aren't really companies that allow you to invest in them right now but when it does happen you'll hear the dittoheads talking up colloidal erbium and why you should sell your old welding equipment to 1800-cerium4cash

That's the shit that matters in the future because damn near anything we make that is in any way technologically advanced is using those, and China has the largest single reserves in the world of it, even after the massive find that happened in Afghanistan. When you saw that story that popped up about the WTO you should have paid more attention to it because if China says fuck you to the rest of the world and shuts down their exports, the price of every single thing we take for granted, from the iPhone to lighting equipment used in TV shows and movies is going to skyrocket.

Thats a case for just monetizing the debt and kicking the can down the road. Printing more money just makes the existing money not worth as much now. So we spend 10 years and hundreds of billions of dollars and over a thousand men and China is the big swinging dick with over a trillion dollars worth of mineral deposits, Of course China is going to be the winner so we are forced to buy shit from a top down centralized Economy with nuclear weapons

I know now that it will be impossible to return to a gold backing of currency since other nations now are investing in it, however there will be a day of reckoning if we continue with fiat currency

The fed keeps trying to control the money supply and its not working, It has grossly mismanaged the economy and has been responsible for booms and busts. The Stock market is an indicator that its just the new bubble waiting to burst.

But lets keep partying and thinking that the economy is in full swing recovery, lets keep listening to our government overlords and latch on to all the cheap catchphrases like the economy was saved. Barack Obama says that all is well. Lets take him at his word.

Theres going to come a day when the spigots run dry, Theres no way we can be a 70% based consumption economy and not produce anything.

Syd

02-05-2012, 07:37 AM

The case for a strong dollar.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/schiff/schiff53.1.html

How is that a case for a strong dollar? He just says a strong dollar is good because it is good.

The closest he comes to make a point is here:

With a restructured economy, higher savings, more capital investment, lower government deficits, and higher interest rates, the United States would once again attract international investment. Funds would flow here not out of fear, as they did last year, but out of confidence. The dollar's strength would not rest on the willingness of foreign governments to buy our debt, but the willingness of foreign consumers to buy our products.

How is a higher savings good? What does he mean by "savings" anyway, savings accounts? Recessions are generally caused by a reduced consumer monetary supply -- i.e. people not going out and spending, and stockpiling too much money. Businesses are sitting on record levels of cash now as it stands which is causing the extreme lack of demand we're still seeing.

What does he mean by a restructured economy? If he's advocating a stronger dollar, I guess he means he wants America to become even more consumer based or he's advocating an isolationist approach where the dollar doesn't really interact with the global economy.

Lower government deficits how? Because a stronger dollar something something step 1 lower deficit step 2 ????? step 3 profit? A stronger dollar makes it more difficult to repay our current debts, not make it easier.

Higher interest rates...as in generally what the Federal reserve has for when it is fighting inflation? So he's advocating a stronger dollar so that interest rates can be higher because that way it will be easier to stop inflation because that will require higher interest rates because that will stop the inflation.

How is America not attracting international investment now and what does that have to do with the dollar? It doesn't at all; it has to do with whether or not there is opportunity for GDP growth which while the dollar plays into it, it isn't intrinsically linked that people will come flocking if America suddenly has a harder time exporting goods because the dollar is too strong.

Funds flowing out of fear rather than confidence? Emotion doesn't really play into economics at the biggest level; computers and forecasts are done with hard math not sitting on a couch with Dr Economifrued.

Last but not least, he falls into the trap parroted by the far right about foreign governments owning our debt. While they do, most of our debt is owned by Americans. Nearly 70% of our debt is owned by US interests, be it citizens to hedge funds to the Federal Reserve itself. The amount of debt owned by China isn't shit compared to the amount of money owned by retirement funds because American debt is a phenomenal product to invest in for Americans. Why does Schiff want to fuck over pensions and retirement funds all of a sudden? Because a strong dollar is good something something fuck your investments you should work till you die?

The guy is so phenomenally off base I don't know what is more funny -- a guy like Lew Rockwell who is a noted anti-semite advocating an economic policy that benefits the banking industry having this article on his site or Schiff just saying a stronger dollar is good because it is good.

Syd

02-05-2012, 07:45 AM

Thats a case for just monetizing the debt and kicking the can down the road. Printing more money just makes the existing money not worth as much now. So we spend 10 years and hundreds of billions of dollars and over a thousand men and China is the big swinging dick with over a trillion dollars worth of mineral deposits, Of course China is going to be the winner so we are forced to buy shit from a top down centralized Economy with nuclear weapons

We're forced to kowtow to anyone with oil holdings yet we still remain the biggest consumer economy in the world, especially now with the EU having troubles.

I know now that it will be impossible to return to a gold backing of currency since other nations now are investing in it, however there will be a day of reckoning if we continue with fiat currency

We'll have a day of reckoning with any currency, period. Capitalism isn't tenable because it assumes a constant increase in profits which is incompatible with life on Earth -- we use up non-renewable resources to grow our economy and we're not suddenly going to stumble into a bunch of new ones. We're nowhere near being able to take advantage of any resources from space and unless we find hydrocarbons we're going to be fucked on that front too. While we've seen potential evidence with that one meteorite we still have no clue where exactly it came from, just not locally.

The fed keeps trying to control the money supply and its not working, It has grossly mismanaged the economy and has been responsible for booms and busts. The Stock market is an indicator that its just the new bubble waiting to burst.

Capitalism is responsible for the boom and busts, the Federal Reserve is just another apparatus of it.

But lets keep partying and thinking that the economy is in full swing recovery, lets keep listening to our government overlords and latch on to all the cheap catchphrases like the economy was saved. Barack Obama says that all is well. Lets take him at his word.

Theres going to come a day when the spigots run dry, Theres no way we can be a 70% based consumption economy and not produce anything.

Our 70% consumer economy is both a boon and a detriment. A lot of it is spent on things like food, healthcare and energy. These things will constantly become more and more expensive and there's no way around it. America has all but tapped out it's natural resources so things to keep our quality of life will become what we spend our money on.

Bob Impact

02-05-2012, 08:11 AM

We'll have a day of reckoning with any currency, period. Capitalism isn't tenable because it assumes a constant increase in profits which is incompatible with life on Earth -- we use up non-renewable resources to grow our economy and we're not suddenly going to stumble into a bunch of new ones.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly IS compatible with life on earth to you?

WRESTLINGFAN

02-05-2012, 08:20 AM

How is that a case for a strong dollar? He just says a strong dollar is good because it is good.

The closest he comes to make a point is here:

How is a higher savings good? What does he mean by "savings" anyway, savings accounts? Recessions are generally caused by a reduced consumer monetary supply -- i.e. people not going out and spending, and stockpiling too much money. Businesses are sitting on record levels of cash now as it stands which is causing the extreme lack of demand we're still seeing.

What does he mean by a restructured economy? If he's advocating a stronger dollar, I guess he means he wants America to become even more consumer based or he's advocating an isolationist approach where the dollar doesn't really interact with the global economy.

Lower government deficits how? Because a stronger dollar something something step 1 lower deficit step 2 ????? step 3 profit? A stronger dollar makes it more difficult to repay our current debts, not make it easier.

Higher interest rates...as in generally what the Federal reserve has for when it is fighting inflation? So he's advocating a stronger dollar so that interest rates can be higher because that way it will be easier to stop inflation because that will require higher interest rates because that will stop the inflation.

How is America not attracting international investment now and what does that have to do with the dollar? It doesn't at all; it has to do with whether or not there is opportunity for GDP growth which while the dollar plays into it, it isn't intrinsically linked that people will come flocking if America suddenly has a harder time exporting goods because the dollar is too strong.

Funds flowing out of fear rather than confidence? Emotion doesn't really play into economics at the biggest level; computers and forecasts are done with hard math not sitting on a couch with Dr Economifrued.

Last but not least, he falls into the trap parroted by the far right about foreign governments owning our debt. While they do, most of our debt is owned by Americans. Nearly 70% of our debt is owned by US interests, be it citizens to hedge funds to the Federal Reserve itself. The amount of debt owned by China isn't shit compared to the amount of money owned by retirement funds because American debt is a phenomenal product to invest in for Americans. Why does Schiff want to fuck over pensions and retirement funds all of a sudden? Because a strong dollar is good something something fuck your investments you should work till you die?

The guy is so phenomenally off base I don't know what is more funny -- a guy like Lew Rockwell who is a noted anti-semite advocating an economic policy that benefits the banking industry having this article on his site or Schiff just saying a stronger dollar is good because it is good.

Pensions are being fucked over due to a weaker dollar and as a result lower purchasing power. The boomers who are entering retirement in record numbers tend to live on a fixed income. Low interest rates impacts that Printing money and monetizing the debt just throws money at a problem doesnt solve anything.

It isn't just Greece thats going under, Its also Italy Spain and Portugal. Not only do we have our debt to GDP ratio over 100%, There are the unfunded liabilities on a conservative estimate its 60 trillion.

Even with a stronger dollar Exports will go up, However the manufacturing levels are greater outside the US than internally.

Sure we own about 60% of the debt but theres 40% owned externally. Its not like Soc Sec and pension funds will ever need the money. We will just legislate the age of retirement to age 80. We are living longer you know.

Syd

02-05-2012, 09:46 AM

Pensions are being fucked over due to a weaker dollar and as a result lower purchasing power. The boomers who are entering retirement in record numbers tend to live on a fixed income. Low interest rates impacts that Printing money and monetizing the debt just throws money at a problem doesnt solve anything.

Purchasing power isn't tied to monetary inflation, it's tied to resource scarcity. Oil drives purchasing power.

It isn't just Greece thats going under, Its also Italy Spain and Portugal. Not only do we have our debt to GDP ratio over 100%, There are the unfunded liabilities on a conservative estimate its 60 trillion.

The $60tn number is from the derivatives market which are, of course, unfunded because the money tied up in them is infinitely leveraged. Debt to GDP ratio isn't a measure of anything important other than people who want to drive down quality of life by enforcing austerity. The real measure is GDP growth, which those three countries have very little of.

Even with a stronger dollar Exports will go up, However the manufacturing levels are greater outside the US than internally.

How will it go up? Don't you remember Germany getting pissed that the Euro was experiencing deflation? They had to move factories to Mexico to avoid the impact that a stronger euro was having on exports. Why do you think exporting countries like Japan or China have artificially weak currency? You're arguing against reality here.

Sure we own about 60% of the debt but theres 40% owned externally. Its not like Soc Sec and pension funds will ever need the money. We will just legislate the age of retirement to age 80. We are living longer you know.

We're not living longer, this generation will live less than the generation before it due to diabetes, heart disease and cancer. Healthcare costs continue to soar. Plus, the older are generally unemployable -- next to the very young, the very elderly are experiencing record unemployment. The human body starts breaking down at the age of 30 and we're not going to figure out how to work around apoptosis when we can't figure out how to cure cancer.

Syd

02-05-2012, 09:51 AM

Just out of curiosity, what exactly IS compatible with life on earth to you?

Anything sustainable -- post-oil economy with our needs met by renewable resources. Granted there's entropy and all going on in the universe, but we're looking at less than a century of life as we know it as things like oil and water become more scarce which is more of a big deal than the Sun going red giant in several billion years. We'll either get wiped out by a gamma ray burst or be out of the solar system by that time.

Bob Impact

02-06-2012, 11:46 PM

Anything sustainable -- post-oil economy with our needs met by renewable resources. Granted there's entropy and all going on in the universe, but we're looking at less than a century of life as we know it as things like oil and water become more scarce which is more of a big deal than the Sun going red giant in several billion years. We'll either get wiped out by a gamma ray burst or be out of the solar system by that time.
Interesting point of view. I would talk to Keynesian Economists long before I blame Capitalism qua Capitalism though.

Bob Impact

02-07-2012, 12:07 AM

We're not living longer, this generation will live less than the generation before it due to diabetes, heart disease and cancer. Healthcare costs continue to soar. Plus, the older are generally unemployable -- next to the very young, the very elderly are experiencing record unemployment. The human body starts breaking down at the age of 30 and we're not going to figure out how to work around apoptosis when we can't figure out how to cure cancer.

In all fairness, the first sentence isn't true, Average life expectancy is up and will most likely continue to rise as more and more cancers are cured: http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:USA&dl=en&hl=en&q=average+life+expectancy
But yes, eventually that does need to level off. As for the body breaking down at 30, is there any empirical proof behind that statement? I hear it all the time and believe it but I gotta tell you, at 30 I feel (and am) in the best physical condition of my life.

Syd

02-07-2012, 04:23 AM

In all fairness, the first sentence isn't true, Average life expectancy is up and will most likely continue to rise as more and more cancers are cured: http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:USA&dl=en&hl=en&q=average+life+expectancy
But yes, eventually that does need to level off. As for the body breaking down at 30, is there any empirical proof behind that statement? I hear it all the time and believe it but I gotta tell you, at 30 I feel (and am) in the best physical condition of my life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/17/health/17obese.html

For the first time in two centuries, the current generation of children in America may have shorter life expectancies than their parents, according to a new report, which contends that the rapid rise in childhood obesity, if left unchecked, could shorten life spans by as much as five years.

Americans eat nearly 3000 calories daily, on average: http://www.livestrong.com/article/347737-the-average-american-daily-caloric-intake/

Calorie Trends

The amount of food available and calories consumed by Americans has increased from 1970 to 2003. According to the USDA, the average American daily calorie intake was 2,234 in 1970 and 2,757 in 2003. This is an increase of 523 calories per day. Eating 500 extra calories each day leads to a significant weight gain if the excess calories are not burned through physical activity.
Gender Differences

On average, American men consume more calories than American women. However the "Journal of the American Medical Association" reports that in 2007 and 2008, 32.2 percent of adult American men were considered obese, while 35.5 of adult American women were obese.

Heart disease, diabetes and cancers will be up as people gorge on on 1800 calorie Coldstone milkshakes and 2000 calorie appetizers.

Last but not least, this more or less breaks it down:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1035037/Old-time-When-body-really-starts-going-downhill.html

as well as the emerging information on vo2max:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/304987/results_of_exercise_test_may_predict_death_in_pati ents_with/

which, of course, begins a steady decline after 25

Just because we've cured things in the past doesn't mean we can cure cancer. Cancer is something completely different -- cell division gone awry with an unfortunate mutation. On top of that there are two issues with that is it's more profitable to treat a disease than cure it, and right now our current research into triggering an immune response will almost certainly be a therapy as it addresses the effect rather than the cause.

You aren't in the best shape of your life unless you were fairly unhealthy before and are in remarkable shape now. Of course everyone varies but the most important organs -- kidneys, lungs and heart are all coming to a screeching halt in efficiency, doubly so if you haven't taken care of them.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-07-2012, 05:08 AM

Another green energy fiasco

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/02/clean-energy-loan-recipient-lays-off-staff-113652.html

WRESTLINGFAN

02-07-2012, 06:36 AM

Another Obama shift

http://news.yahoo.com/shift-obama-campaign-support-super-pac-fundraiser-135134796.html

A.J.

02-07-2012, 06:44 AM

http://www.afreeman.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/obama.gif

WRESTLINGFAN

02-07-2012, 12:48 PM

Halftime in America

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/yes-it-halftime-america

Syd

02-07-2012, 07:10 PM

So the solution to avoiding economic collapse is to barrel straight into an economy in which no durable goods are produced?

Hopefully Chrysler can string a few more profitable years together, but there is certainly no guarantee that is going to happen.

Considering most of that profit came from their trucks and SUVs and they have midsize and compact cars that are worth buying now, that lends to a reasonable chance of profitability.

As I have written about previously, the U.S. auto industry is in the midst of a nightmarish long-term decline.

The combined U.S. market share of the "Big Three" U.S. automakers fell from 70% in 1998 to 53% in 2008.

So NAFTA and relaxing tariffs had an impact on killing off the middle class? Color me surprised!

When you examine the numbers over a longer time frame, they are even more striking.

For example, in 1970 General Motors had about a 60 percent share of the U.S. automobile market, but today that figure is down to about 20 percent.

So relaxing tariffs and having countries rebuild after the British and USA bombed them into the third world had an impact? Whoda thunk!

Zero Hedge is a joke of a site and guys like this are just pissed they're not able to get the same amount of money from peddling post-apocalypse goods. Good for him for drumming up hits, still. Maybe you'll finally be able to move out of mommy's basement and buy more collectible action figures from The Walking Dead!

Bob Impact

02-07-2012, 11:25 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/17/health/17obese.html

Americans eat nearly 3000 calories daily, on average: http://www.livestrong.com/article/347737-the-average-american-daily-caloric-intake/

Heart disease, diabetes and cancers will be up as people gorge on on 1800 calorie Coldstone milkshakes and 2000 calorie appetizers.

Last but not least, this more or less breaks it down:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1035037/Old-time-When-body-really-starts-going-downhill.html

as well as the emerging information on vo2max:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/304987/results_of_exercise_test_may_predict_death_in_pati ents_with/

which, of course, begins a steady decline after 25

Just because we've cured things in the past doesn't mean we can cure cancer. Cancer is something completely different -- cell division gone awry with an unfortunate mutation. On top of that there are two issues with that is it's more profitable to treat a disease than cure it, and right now our current research into triggering an immune response will almost certainly be a therapy as it addresses the effect rather than the cause.

You aren't in the best shape of your life unless you were fairly unhealthy before and are in remarkable shape now. Of course everyone varies but the most important organs -- kidneys, lungs and heart are all coming to a screeching halt in efficiency, doubly so if you haven't taken care of them.

I won't disagree that obesity is a problem, but it's telling of what a negative person you are that all scientific/medical progress is just tossed aside in the face of "if this trend continues people who are children today may see a drop in life expectancy"

Also Cancer is the single most effective killer of mammals on the planet. There's a major difference solving cell mutation vs pathogen based diseases.

Syd

02-08-2012, 04:22 AM

I won't disagree that obesity is a problem, but it's telling of what a negative person you are that all scientific/medical progress is just tossed aside in the face of "if this trend continues people who are children today may see a drop in life expectancy"

Also Cancer is the single most effective killer of mammals on the planet. There's a major difference solving cell mutation vs pathogen based diseases.

How are trends changing? The recession made cigarette use rise, fast food companies reported higher profits and microwaved dinners probably rose in sales too.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-08-2012, 04:45 AM

So the solution to avoiding economic collapse is to barrel straight into an economy in which no durable goods are produced?

Considering most of that profit came from their trucks and SUVs and they have midsize and compact cars that are worth buying now, that lends to a reasonable chance of profitability.

So NAFTA and relaxing tariffs had an impact on killing off the middle class? Color me surprised!

So relaxing tariffs and having countries rebuild after the British and USA bombed them into the third world had an impact? Whoda thunk!

Zero Hedge is a joke of a site and guys like this are just pissed they're not able to get the same amount of money from peddling post-apocalypse goods. Good for him for drumming up hits, still. Maybe you'll finally be able to move out of mommy's basement and buy more collectible action figures from The Walking Dead!

I have my disagreements about manufacturing. I agree with Schiff that we need to have a manufacturing base. Also NAFTA should be repealed , since 1994 there has been a tidlewave of illegal aliens flooding our country due to the impact on the price of coen in Mexico

Of course Chrysler would have sales skyrocket, they started from zero. And the market is determining that peple still want bigger vehicles and not gov't subsidized golf carts

Zero hedge is an alternative to the lemmings on CNBC and Bloomberg who like trained seals clap at anything the administration spatters out.