Obama - Worst President Ever?

[spoon]

yah sure

why not just smoke your money or flush it?


I'll take stupid ideas for $1000 Alex.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yah sure

why not just smoke your money or flush it?


I'll take stupid ideas for $1000 Alex.

How about the jobs bill?


That's a stupid idea that will cost a trillion

[WRESTLINGFAN]

FDR wanted a chicken in every pot.

Obama wants assualt rifles in every Mexican pot


GROW A FUCKING SPINE CONGRESSMAN ISSA!!!!

Investigate the WH, fuck lets start with Holder and the DoJ


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[spoon]

clouds are white! RACISTS!

[Dude!]

How about the jobs bill?


That's a stupid idea that will cost a trillion

WF, why do you even
try to debate with losers
who resort to name-calling
every time you crush them
with facts and logic?

[spoon]

WF, why do you even
try to debate with losers
who resort to name-calling
every time you crush them
with facts and logic?

classic

another great poem of style and substance from the rf.net bard of bullshit

[Dude!]

classic

another great poem of style and substance from the rf.net bard of bullshit

more name-calling from the
"please notice me, i make lots of $$"
phony

[TripleSkeet]

Heres my question WF...

You cant stand Obama, yet seem smart enough to realize how bad Bush fucked this country. You point out how retarded Palin and Bachmann are, and also realize that Perry and Romney would do nothing to help the country. A boss I once had told me "Dont come to me with a problem, unless you have a solution for it." So, what exactly is your idea for a solution?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heres my question WF...

You cant stand Obama, yet seem smart enough to realize how bad Bush fucked this country. You point out how retarded Palin and Bachmann are, and also realize that Perry and Romney would do nothing to help the country. A boss I once had told me "Dont come to me with a problem, unless you have a solution for it." So, what exactly is your idea for a solution?

Ron Paul

Now that is real change. Hes not going to rearrange the deck chairs and expand gov't like Romney and Perry will. Hes against military occupation, unnecessary wars. He's one of the few who points out how the federal reserve has been a factor of many booms and busts. He supported a bill that would audit the fed, something that has never happened.

Hes for civil liberties ie against the DHS and their draconian policies they do to people before boarding a plane. Hes for repealing the patriot act. Against amnesty, birthright citizenship, welfare and other entitlements to illegal aliens and wants to cut military spending.

Americans wont back him though because they don't want to hear the truth. So they are going to nominate Romney, a good looking presidential looking corporatist who will tell them what they want to hear.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

more name-calling from the
"please notice me, i make lots of $$"
phony

Lets see how many of them mailed in extra monet to the treasury. Probably non of them. They are just like everyone else and want to keep as much as they can

[StanUpshaw]

Redistribute the Monets.

[A.J.]

Redistribute the Monets.

http://www.theregalrenegade.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/count-de-monet-300x225.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

And you thought teabaggers said crazy shit

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/roseanne-barr-rich-should-be-beheaded-if-they-don%E2%80%99t-give-up-wealth/

[TripleSkeet]

Ron Paul

Now that is real change. Hes not going to rearrange the deck chairs and expand gov't like Romney and Perry will. Hes against military occupation, unnecessary wars. He's one of the few who points out how the federal reserve has been a factor of many booms and busts. He supported a bill that would audit the fed, something that has never happened.

Hes for civil liberties ie against the DHS and their draconian policies they do to people before boarding a plane. Hes for repealing the patriot act. Against amnesty, birthright citizenship, welfare and other entitlements to illegal aliens and wants to cut military spending.

Americans wont back him though because they don't want to hear the truth. So they are going to nominate Romney, a good looking presidential looking corporatist who will tell them what they want to hear.

Ok. Decent answer. One more question. If somehow he was elected president, how many of these things do you think he would actually have the power to accomplish?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok. Decent answer. One more question. If somehow he was elected president, how many of these things do you think he would actually have the power to accomplish?

If he has a majority GOP congress, definitely the illegal alien issue. I believe the TSA would also be looked into and those practices eliminated.

With the military spending that will be a tough sell for him, but with enough democrats and some of the new breed republicans its not totally a lost cause.

Auditing the fed might be tough but with a lot of democratic support like from Bernie Sanders , Kucinich and Barney Frank its not totally impossible.

I'll admit that President paul would have a lot of infighting with McCain Graham and others like that.

[TripleSkeet]

If he has a majority GOP congress, definitely the illegal alien issue. I believe the TSA would also be looked into and those practices eliminated.

With the military spending that will be a tough sell for him, but with enough democrats and some of the new breed republicans its not totally a lost cause.

Auditing the fed might be tough but with a lot of democratic support like from Bernie Sanders , Kucinich and Barney Frank its not totally impossible.

I'll admit that President paul would have a lot of infighting with McCain Graham and others like that.

It just seems like as a whole the system doesnt work anymore. Politicians dont seem interested in fixing problems anymore. They seem more interested in winning. re-election after re-election. Doesnt matter what the issue is, if someone from one side comes up with it, the other side seems almost obligated to oppose it. I dont see how you can fix a country when shit like that is going on.

You think they would let eliminate the TSA? His opponents would crucify him and anyone supporting that with "they dont care about protecting our citizens" bullshit. The border issue would have supporters worried about losing the hispanic vote. Good luck with the whole military spending issue.

Im not going to act like I know what the answer is, but I dont think alot of people even know what the problem is. Its like cops that want to fight crime but not necessarily eliminate crime. If they eliminate crime their jobs are no longer secure. Mandatory term limits and no guaranteed benefits for life for all politicians would be a good start, but I dont know if theres any long term fix it strategy that could work.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It just seems like as a whole the system doesnt work anymore. Politicians dont seem interested in fixing problems anymore. They seem more interested in winning. re-election after re-election. Doesnt matter what the issue is, if someone from one side comes up with it, the other side seems almost obligated to oppose it. I dont see how you can fix a country when shit like that is going on.

You think they would let eliminate the TSA? His opponents would crucify him and anyone supporting that with "they dont care about protecting our citizens" bullshit. The border issue would have supporters worried about losing the hispanic vote. Good luck with the whole military spending issue.

Im not going to act like I know what the answer is, but I dont think alot of people even know what the problem is. Its like cops that want to fight crime but not necessarily eliminate crime. If they eliminate crime their jobs are no longer secure. Mandatory term limits and no guaranteed benefits for life for all politicians would be a good start, but I dont know if theres any long term fix it strategy that could work.

i agree with some of those, but like with the TSA for example a lot of people find it an inconvenience to board a plane and they dont feel any safer with a false sense of security

If I might add

Our entire politcal system is broken. The Citizens United case fucked it up even more. Campaign finance has been permanantly altered to whoever has the most cash in many ways.

I think a good start to this is that Representives should only be allowed raise funds from their own district. Senators from their own state. Same with Governors.

[TripleSkeet]

i agree with some of those, but like with the TSA for example a lot of people find it an inconvenience to board a plane and they dont feel any safer with a false sense of security

If I might add

Our entire politcal system is broken. The Citizens United case fucked it up even more. Campaign finance has been permanantly altered to whoever has the most cash in many ways.

I think a good start to this is that Representives should only be allowed raise funds from their own district. Senators from their own state. Same with Governors.

Id agree with that. Also Id like to see a set limit as to how much they can spend on their campaign.

[StanUpshaw]

It's broken because this is a democracy and people are fucking stupid.

[StanUpshaw]

And greedy and lazy.

[brettmojo]

HE'S LISTENING!!!

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/obama-arrested-development1.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Holder needs to pay for this. Obama should call him in to resign


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html

[StanUpshaw]

No one cares that the executive gets to assassinate American citizens with impunity now?

[A.J.]

No one cares that the executive gets to assassinate American citizens with impunity now?

Senators and Presidents don't have men killed.

http://www.dvdizzy.com/images/g-i/godfather-08.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No one cares that the executive gets to assassinate American citizens with impunity now?

The constitutional scholar knows nothing about Article 3 section 3 in the constitution.

Al Awaki was a scumbag but hes an American citizen and did not get due process.

If the process went as mandated in the constitution, he would have gotten his trial and executed. I would have prefered a rope. Its cheap and can be used again. A missile from a drone costs millions

Dr Paul had a great op ed on this


http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/10/02/2011-10-02_an_unconstitutional_killing.html

[Syd]

They could have tried him in absentia but the GOP isn't too keen on allowing terrorists to have trials. Not that Obama has done anything different from the Republican party line. What's shaking, Gitmo? :clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like we ended up getting a 3rd Bush term. Obamas more of a Neocon than him

[A.J.]

Looks like we ended up getting a 3rd Bush term. Obamas more of a Neocon than him

:laugh:

http://optajoke.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/a_us___obama_change_x_framed__poster.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Special counsel requested to investigate Holder in the fast and furious scandal. That Chicago scumbag needs to go down

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1203172280881&id=e89d4b7a3cc9d560b8c61ad0fa02b24d

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://rightbias.com/Images/Cartoons/vz34.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Complete confidence in Holder?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65336.html#comments

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Stench of corruption from this administration makes the wall st occupiers smell like roses


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65448.html#comments

[spoon]

it's fun watching you talk to yourself in this new bad comic/link language

seriously, very few get opened at this point and the toons aren't even funny in any way

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it's fun watching you talk to yourself in this new bad comic/link language

seriously, very few get opened at this point and the toons aren't even funny in any way

Are you an Obama supporter? Maybe thats why you dont find them funny.

Its been a bad few weeks for Obama, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, The judge siding with Alabama and a weak jobs report. His own party avoiding his scam of a jobs bill.


Keep that hope though

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it's fun watching you talk to yourself in this new bad comic/link language

seriously, very few get opened at this point and the toons aren't even funny in any way

Im sure youre gonna hate this one


http://rightbias.com/Images/Cartoons/vy92.jpg

[spoon]

Yes, WF keep up the conversation in your head. Why even post? You not only asked a question, but answered AND commented on your own answer. Classic.

Keep that constant fog/delusion though.

[spoon]

Im sure youre gonna hate this one


http://rightbias.com/Images/Cartoons/vy92.jpg

nope, just stupid and repetitive as always

it's not so much the material, but the method and repetition

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok Spoon, what are you so pissed off about. Seriously. If youre an Obama supporter, defend his policies, if not then why complain?


This is an Obama worst president thread

[spoon]

guess you just ignored that last post huh

better than the norm of the old bait and switch topic carousel you normally employ

bottom line is, it's worthless in every way to try

[WRESTLINGFAN]

guess you just ignored that last post huh

better than the norm of the old bait and switch topic carousel you normally employ

bottom line is, it's worthless in every way to try

You complain about the material etc.


I just pointed out the massive fuckups in this administration in recent weeks. Those add to the already mounting shortcomings of this administration.


State your case. Are you an Obama supporter?

[spoon]

not going to happen buddy (and it's not as simple as Obama supporter or not so that question after that statement makes no sense)

it's worthless

go in the baseball thread and talk about the games bc I've finally put this shit on ice



at least for today, I'm not even interested in trying to discuss any of this....again, with you

it never stays on topic, you come back at me with random nonsense and clearly have your mind made up in every way and you know my thoughts on where your core of material comes from

:bye:

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/zGWcQ.jpg (http://imgur.com/zGWcQ)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More F&F fallout

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20111009,0,6431788.story

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Issa to Holder.

YOU OWN THIS!!!!!


http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Letters/Letter_from_the_Attorney_General_10_7_11.pdf

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Solyndra is like an STD to this administration


http://news.yahoo.com/solyndra-loan-figure-raises-500k-obama-222716169.html

[hanso]

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[Bob Impact]

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How did that guy manage to stumble all over himself in an attempt to discredit Hulk Hogan?

[A.J.]

Obama's teleprompter stolen. (http://www.nbc12.com/story/15716468/thieves-steal-truck-with-presidents-equipment)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It will be blamed on the previous Administration

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama has lost the Huffington post


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-dimond/fast-and-furious-atf_b_1021028.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And he lost Jobs
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66537.html

His Jobs bill killed again

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/21/141577730/senate-kills-pared-back-35-billion-jobs-bill

Outgoing Dem tears him a new one


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66530.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This can be a huge blow to Obama


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[Furtherman]

It won't.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Add in Solyndra and the other companies that went bellyup. The Loss of the auto bailouts. Fast and furious, Obama can tout how many Arabs he had killed it still wont save him.

[spoon]

spooked huh?

nice wordplay bret

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oh and there you go Syd, 34,000 dollars is the newest cut off according to motley fool's global analysis...we should be so lucky I guess...keep lowering that bar, even those on the right side of the argument will bite and help out like Syd.

see how stupid that sounds

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is Obama becoming an evangelical?

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-presses-republicans-bridge-scheme-151914720.html

[Furtherman]

Is Obama becoming an evangelical?

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-presses-republicans-bridge-scheme-151914720.html

Misleading. Embarrassingly. Have you no sh... never mind.

[A.J.]

Is Obama becoming an evangelical?

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-presses-republicans-bridge-scheme-151914720.html

He converted from Islam?

[spoon]

He converted from Islam?

I thought Obama was the guy who predicted the world was ending last May.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Happy days are here again. The Unempl rate is down to 9% even.

[Dude!]

Summer of Recovery II
was another huge success

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The cheerleaders are celebrating like they on game 7 of the World series. Don't they know that it went down a cunt hair due to seasonal hiring for the Christmas season ?

[spoon]

much better than cheering job losses

[A.J.]

The cheerleaders are celebrating like they on game 7 of the World series. Don't they know that it went down a cunt hair due to seasonal hiring for the Christmas season ?

No wonder it smelled fishy!

[hanso]

The cheerleaders are celebrating like they on game 7 of the World series. Don't they know that it went down a cunt hair due to seasonal hiring for the Christmas season ?

Wasn't this the number of new hires in Oct.?


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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Some companies start hiring for Christmas in October

[Syd]

It isn't retail -- retail did add some jobs, but most of the jobs were added elsewhere:

Establishment Survey Data

Total nonfarm payroll employment continued to trend up in October
(+80,000). Over the past 12 months, payroll employment has increased
by an average of 125,000 per month. In October, private-sector
employment increased by 104,000, with continued job growth in
professional and business services, leisure and hospitality, health
care, and mining. Government employment continued to contract in
October. (See table B-1.)

Employment in professional and business services continued to trend up
in October (+32,000) and has grown by 562,000 over the past 12 months.
Within the industry, there have been modest job gains in recent months
in temporary help services and in management and technical consulting
services.

Employment in leisure and hospitality edged up over the month
(+22,000). Since a recent low point in January 2010, the industry has
added 344,000 jobs.

Health care employment continued to expand in October 2011 (+12,000),
following a gain of 45,000 in September. Offices of physicians added
8,000 jobs in October. Over the past 12 months, health care has added
313,000 jobs.

In October, mining employment continued to increase (+6,000); oil and
gas extraction accounted for half of the increase. Since a recent low
point in October 2009, mining employment has risen by 152,000.

Manufacturing employment changed little in October 2011 (+5,000) and has
remained flat for 3 months. In October, a job gain in transportation
equipment (+10,000) was partly offset by small losses in other
manufacturing industries.

Within retail trade, employment increased in general merchandise
stores (+10,000) and in motor vehicle and parts dealers (+6,000) in
October. Retail trade has added 156,000 jobs over the past 12 months.

Construction employment declined by 20,000 in October, largely
offsetting an increase of 27,000 in September; both over-the-month
changes largely occurred in nonresidential construction. Employment in
both residential and nonresidential construction has shown little net
change in 2011.

Employment in other major private-sector industries, including
wholesale trade, transportation and warehousing, information, and
financial activities, changed little in October.

Government employment continued to trend down over the month (-24,000),
with most of the October decline in the non-educational component of
state government. Employment in both state government and local
government has been trending down since the second half of 2008.

Our benevolent god king job creators of House Retail apparently must need lower taxes than they already have now because they ain't really doing shit.

[Bob Impact]

It isn't retail -- retail did add some jobs, but most of the jobs were added elsewhere:



Our benevolent god king job creators of House Retail apparently must need lower taxes than they already have now because they ain't really doing shit.

Professional and business services = temps, consultants & (at this time of the year) a ramp up in seasonal customer service call center staff.

[hanso]

Professional and business services = temps, consultants & (at this time of the year) a ramp up in seasonal customer service call center staff.

In India?


http://www.10pix.ru/img1/2885/4240209.jpg

My name is Sue how may I help you?

[Syd]

Professional and business services = temps, consultants & (at this time of the year) a ramp up in seasonal customer service call center staff.

ok, fair enough, but healthcare (even with Obamacare), resource exploitation (even with the EPA and Obama) and leisure and hospitality (I don't know, but something about Obama) have all done better than retail for the entire year.

[Dude!]

Syd, what did your parents
do to you?

[Syd]

Syd, what did your parents
do to you?

http://i.imgur.com/1aXVg.jpg

[Bob Impact]

ok, fair enough, but healthcare (even with Obamacare), resource exploitation (even with the EPA and Obama) and leisure and hospitality (I don't know, but something about Obama) have all done better than retail for the entire year.

I laughed at the last one. And yes, I agree and to clarify I'm not saying that retail is kicking ass, it absolutely isn't, more pointing out a partial explanation of why that particular sector is ticking up, would expect it to tick up again next month as usual.

[Syd]

Yeah, it will, and maybe some goddamn jobs will stick around. It's past the point of someone "winning" with their particular economic theory. People need to get their asses back to work.

[Bob Impact]

Yeah, it will, and maybe some goddamn jobs will stick around. It's past the point of someone "winning" with their particular economic theory. People need to get their asses back to work.

this.

The Economist has a good article on the missing centrist point of view this week.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Never assume the mic's arent on

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/hot-mic-catches-obama-sarko-griping-about-netanyahu/

[A.J.]

That's gonna cost Obama some Jewish votes. What an awful anti-Semite he is!

[StanUpshaw]

That guy's a major league asshole.

[A.J.]

That guy's a major league asshole.

Big time.

[spoon]

thank the lord for Jake Tapper

[A.J.]

Tapper was great when he wrote for Roll Call back in the 90s.

[Syd]

Network, the Arizona senator said "I happen to be a great admirer of Prime Minister Netanyahu," adding that "Israel is under more pressure and probably in more danger than they’ve been since the ’67 war and that kind of comment is not only not helpful, but indicative of some of the policies towards Israel that this administration has been part of."

yeah because we all know that now Israel has nuclear weapons the USSR is just going to pop up out of fucking nowhere and finance a war against them to limit American influence in the region

BREZHNEV COMES OUT OF NOWHERE

it's almost disturbing the fetish American protestants have for Israel; I don't think they realize how Israelis care not for Americans want of a crusader fiefdom in the Middle East.

Fuck Israel and fuck Britain. Sarkozy tells the truth for once and doddering old man Has-no-consistent-opinion wants to talk it up in his desperate bid for re-election. Go divorce your wife and trade in for a new one you fucking philanderer.

[Dude!]

yeah because we all know that now Israel has nuclear weapons the USSR is just going to pop up out of fucking nowhere and finance a war against them to limit American influence in the region

BREZHNEV COMES OUT OF NOWHERE

it's almost disturbing the fetish American protestants have for Israel; I don't think they realize how Israelis care not for Americans want of a crusader fiefdom in the Middle East.

Fuck Israel and fuck Britain.


Syd, i take it you're a
self-hating jew

[Syd]

come from a family
of catholic-hating huguenots
but close enough

[Dude!]

come from a family
of catholic-hating huguenots
but close enough

interesting...i come from a
catholic-hating family too...
English who ended up in Dublin
Scottish who ended up in Ulster
Huguenots who ended up in Ulster

and all of them had contempt for the native Irish
and hated the catholic church even more

[Syd]

racism in america
pales in comparison
to the papist crimes
against protestants
throughout history

hundreds of years
of massacres
and persecution
not until the
american colonies
opened up
was there an escape
for the religious
minorities

[StanUpshaw]

Hate drove them apart...hate will bring them together.

[A.J.]

racism in america
pales in comparison
to the papist crimes
against protestants
throughout history

hundreds of years
of massacres
and persecution
not until the
american colonies
opened up
was there an escape
for the religious
minorities

They made up for it in Ireland.

[A.J.]

Hate drove them apart...hate will bring them together.

Hurricane?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here comes a Christmas tree tax.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/blowback-for-obama-on-christmas-tree-tax/

Since Obamas a Muslim he really doesn't care

*****Above line was a joke.*******

[Furtherman]

I'm not even going to read that article but I already know it's been presented the wrong way.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its to boost tree sales.

Now isnt the government promoting a religion but at the same time charging a tax on an item that represents christmas. I know the tree is more of a pagan symbol but thats for another argument.

Why not tax Menorah's and prayer rugs too. Arent we in the season of the Muslim holiday Eid ?

[A.J.]

Arent we in the season of the Muslim holiday Eid ?

Date tax!

http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/105411154/Dates_from_saudi_Arabia.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

Don't outsource Christmas! Don't buy fake trees made in China!

KEEP YOUR TREES 'MURICAN!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[Bob Impact]

Its to boost tree sales.

Now isnt the government promoting a religion but at the same time charging a tax on an item that represents christmas. I know the tree is more of a pagan symbol but thats for another argument.

Why not tax Menorah's and prayer rugs too. Arent we in the season of the Muslim holiday Eid ?

Wow that's a stretch, it's a fee that goes into a marketing campaign.

Incidentally, there is no such thing as "Eid." There iss Eid ul-Fitr (end of Ramadan, which was at the end of August this year) and Eid al-Adha which are 3 day holidays. Eid al-Adha ends today.

[A.J.]

Incidentally, there is no such thing as "Eid." There iss Eid ul-Fitr (end of Ramadan, which was at the end of August this year) and Eid al-Adha which are 3 day holidays. Eid al-Adha ends today.

"Eid" is a generic term out there. You get used to which is which and when they are after a while.

"Eid Mubarak, bitches!"

[StanUpshaw]

"The Christmas tree industry has tried three different times to conduct promotional programs based on voluntary contributions. Each time, after about three years, the revenue declined to a point where the programs were ineffective. The decline in revenue is attributable to the voluntary nature of these programs. Therefore, the proponents have determined that they need a mechanism that would be sustainable over time. They believe that a national Christmas tree research and promotion program would accomplish this goal."

OBEY US. IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.

[Bob Impact]

"Eid" is a generic term out there. You get used to which is which and when they are after a while.

"Eid Mubarak, bitches!"

I work with literally dozens of Islamic people and have yet to hear Eid used by itself as the name of a holiday. Eid translates to "festival" and Eid Mubarak means "[have a] blessed festival." Essentially do you mean that people are walking around saying "it's festival tomorrow?"

[Dude!]

I work with literally dozens of Islamic people

in a Scimitar factory?

[Bob Impact]

in a Scimitar factory?

That made me laugh way too hard, I think because there almost HAS to actually be a Scimitar specific factory out there somewhere.

That said, re-read my post and I sound like a moron saying that, I therefore withdraw the entire post.

[A.J.]

I work with literally dozens of Islamic people and have yet to hear Eid used by itself as the name of a holiday. Eid translates to "festival" and Eid Mubarak means "[have a] blessed festival." Essentially do you mean that people are walking around saying "it's festival tomorrow?"

It's the way it's referred to in the Middle East (informally of course).

[Dude!]

Here comes a Christmas tree tax.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/blowback-for-obama-on-christmas-tree-tax/

Since Obamas a Muslim he really doesn't care

*****Above line was a joke.*******

way to go WF !
within an hour of your post
the tax has been nixed:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/obama-administration-to-delay-new-15-cent-christmas-tree-fee/

we owe it all to you!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

way to go WF !
within an hour of your post
the tax has been nixed:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/obama-administration-to-delay-new-15-cent-christmas-tree-fee/

we owe it all to you!

The administration must be fans of RF.NET

Whats Obamas big ass card # ?

[Dude!]

Whats Obamas big ass card # ?

666

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was just another stupid move by the WH

Why need to prop up the Christmas tree industry? It already has a good image. Non Christians buy them.

[Furtherman]

Why not tax Menorah's and prayer rugs too. Arent we in the season of the Muslim holiday Eid ?

Yea, why not!? I'm mean, there are fields and fields of them upstate. You'd think it'd be easy enough. Growing Menorah's is a part time job. Prayer rugs? A couple weekends a year. Such bullshit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea, why not!? I'm mean, there are fields and fields of them upstate. You'd think it'd be easy enough. Growing Menorah's is a part time job. Prayer rugs? A couple weekends a year. Such bullshit.

Are they all near those farms with all those nice big money trees?

How about near the valley known as OBAMA STASH!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea, why not!? I'm mean, there are fields and fields of them upstate. You'd think it'd be easy enough. Growing Menorah's is a part time job. Prayer rugs? A couple weekends a year. Such bullshit.

They do call the Catskills the Jewish Alps and Borsch Belt

[Syd]

I'm not even going to read that article but I already know it's been presented the wrong way.

Ding ding ding ding, it was set in motion back in 2008 and has basically zilch to do with the president. Still, after getting crushed in the elections the right wing media needed something to rally around. I was figuring Drudge would have something about ACORN or Soros rigging the elections but this seems to be substantive enough to make money off of.

[Furtherman]

Ding ding ding ding, it was set in motion back in 2008 and has basically zilch to do with the president. Still, after getting crushed in the elections the right wing media needed something to rally around. I was figuring Drudge would have something about ACORN or Soros rigging the elections but this seems to be substantive enough to make money off of.

On Facebook, a new channel's page (News 12 New Jersey) asked the question: What do you think of the President's plan to tax Christmas trees? It was instantly replied to by dozens of idiots. I asked if it was the President's plan or the Tree Farmers' plan?

No one answered. The question was taken down shortly thereafter. Probably because of all the false outrage.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Christmas trees need their good reputation back after all the scandals they were involved with

[Dude!]

Tannenbaumgate!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ocupy Fannie Mae. Whens that going to happen. They are asking for 7 billion to cover their losses

[danlaroe]

I'd like to occupy your fanny


With my penis

<--- once tweeted by @iamcolinquinn

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speak to Barney Frank hes the expert of filling positions in fannie


http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1340643

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So now all of a sudden the WH wants to reassess. But if its a solar company with a failed business model lets greenlight it


http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/keystone-pipeline-route-in-nebraska-to-be-reassessed-sources-say/2011/11/10/gIQA95cv8M_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop

[Syd]

Pretty decent article on how the GOP stopped being a functional political party and became drones for whoever bankrolled their re-election campaign:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-the-rich-20111109

"We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share," he thunders to a crowd in Georgia. Such tax loopholes, he adds, "sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary – and that's crazy."

Preacherlike, the president draws the crowd into a call-and-response. "Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver," he demands, "or less?"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While that is true, the writer doesnt realize that the Democrats get bankrolled too by big business. IE Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley, GE and others?

Also democrats also get bankrolled by bundlers an example is George Kaiser to wit Solyndra. Democrats also do take care of their own when it comes to tax breaks. It isnt just the GOP. Obama needs to rewards his boys in big labor too.


While Obama preaches to the ignorant masses hes gladly taking campaign cash from his corporate handlers and says nothing that GE in which the CEO is his Jobs czar takes advantage of every loophole imaginable.

[hanso]

While that is true, the writer doesnt realize that the Democrats get bankrolled too by big business. IE Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley, GE and others?

Also democrats also get bankrolled by bundlers an example is George Kaiser to wit Solyndra. Democrats also do take care of their own when it comes to tax breaks. It isnt just the GOP. Obama needs to rewards his boys in big labor too.


While Obama preaches to the ignorant masses hes gladly taking campaign cash from his corporate handlers and says nothing that GE in which the CEO is his Jobs czar takes advantage of every loophole imaginable.

But “Corporations are people, my friend.”

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More from the most transparant admin in history.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-smallpox-20111113,0,4293298.story


Looks like another Solyndra type deal

[Bob Impact]

While that is true, the writer doesnt realize that the Democrats get bankrolled too by big business. IE Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley, GE and others?

Also democrats also get bankrolled by bundlers an example is George Kaiser to wit Solyndra. Democrats also do take care of their own when it comes to tax breaks. It isnt just the GOP. Obama needs to rewards his boys in big labor too.


While Obama preaches to the ignorant masses hes gladly taking campaign cash from his corporate handlers and says nothing that GE in which the CEO is his Jobs czar takes advantage of every loophole imaginable.

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php#
I love that of the 3 companies you mention, only one of them is in the top 30 contributors, and that each and every one contributed more to Republicans than Democrats, with the exception of GE, which was split 50/50.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_296w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/10/20/Web-Resampled/2011-10-19/w-wallstreet--300x696.jpg

[Bob Impact]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_296w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/10/20/Web-Resampled/2011-10-19/w-wallstreet--300x696.jpg

Hey, the RNC is missing from that chart... it's almost like you intentionally picked a slanted view of things to fit your agenda.

http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.php

[Bob Impact]

Hey, the RNC is missing from that chart... it's almost like you intentionally picked a slanted view of things to fit your agenda.

http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.php

Even better: http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/blio.php

Edit: Or this one: http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/sectors.php

Hint: don't play fast and loose with your charts when you're talking to someone who deals with data and statistics for a living.

[keithy_19]

Even better: http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/blio.php

Edit: Or this one: http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/sectors.php

Hint: don't play fast and loose with your charts when you're talking to someone who deals with data and statistics for a living.

I took a statistics & functions class in high school and got an A. Apparently anyone can do it. :wink:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even better: http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/blio.php

Edit: Or this one: http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/sectors.php

Hint: don't play fast and loose with your charts when you're talking to someone who deals with data and statistics for a living.

Your sources prove that republicans take more. Im not arguing against that. My case is that its not only the GOP taking campaign cash from corporations and that over the past 20 years Obama has taken more from W'Street than any other candidate. While you pointed the MS and GS examples W Street still has a ton of companies even after all the mergers of the past 10-20 years

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I condede GOP gets more money.


Back to Obama. If I may use opensecrets. Look at the top contributors to Obama


http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638


All the big players on the street are on that list

[Bob Impact]

Top contributors tends to skew towards whatever industry needs something at the time. Obviously in 2008 that skewed towards financials. Here's Obama's 2012 list, you get down to #8 before you get to a trading company:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00009638&cycle=2012

[StanUpshaw]

Isn't it a little premature to be counting 2012 totals?

[Bob Impact]

Isn't it a little premature to be counting 2012 totals?

Not really, this data is captured anyway, and reviewing spending in the run up to campaign season gives a trend, not just a single data point.

[StanUpshaw]

Not really, this data is captured anyway, and reviewing spending in the run up to campaign season gives a trend, not just a single data point.

But the race is between Republicans now. It only makes sense that they're the ones garnering donations. Once Obama actually starts campaigning, then it would be logical to compare R to D.

[Bob Impact]

But the race is between Republicans now. It only makes sense that they're the ones garnering donations. Once Obama actually starts campaigning, then it would be logical to compare R to D.

Fundraising doesn't stop because he's the incumbent: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/index.php

[spoon]

Fundraising doesn't stop because he's the incumbent: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/index.php

Not to mention the worst case scenario is they would be giving to someone who has his party's nomination locked in. The republican slot is still open, even if Mitt has been the closest thing to a favorite over the long haul at this point.

[Jujubees2]

I took a statistics & functions class in high school and got an A. Apparently anyone can do it. :wink:

"There are liars, damned liars and statisticians."

- Mark Twain

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good news GM Bailout will not be a 14 billion loss to taxpayers

http://www.detnews.com/article/20111114/AUTO01/111140434/1361/U.S.-boosts-estimate-of-auto-bailout-losses-to-$23.6B

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From CNN

"Man accused of firing shots near White House to be charged with assassination attempt, prosecutor says"



I wonder if he used one of those fast and furious guns

[WRESTLINGFAN]

RECOVERY SUMMER YEAAAAA


http://www.businessinsider.com/q3-gdp-2011-11


Add in the super duper committee was an albatross from the beginning. The President ignored his own Simpson Bowles debt commission, we will see who he blames this time.

[spoon]

WF banned!?

ha!

y?

[StanUpshaw]

WF banned!?

ha!

y?

Defending race fans against the bigotry of northeast elites.

[CurseoftheBambi]

everyone get in your political shots in now b4 wf comes back and derails them!

[hanso]

WF banned!?

ha!

y?

Maybe a beat in before they make him Politics mod. He can start, edit and keep threads going all on his own.

[disneyspy]

Maybe a beat in before they make him Politics mod. He can start, edit and keep threads going all on his own.

HA! he does that already

[disneyspy]

i think hoover was a much worse president than president obama

[disneyspy]

conneticut smells like new york's garbage

[hanso]

i think hoover was a much worse president than president obama

dam him!

[HBox]

I say that unions are the greatest thing ever to happen to humanity and if WF doesn't say otherwise tonight that means he agrees.

[disneyspy]

i like illegal immigrants,they dont take any jobs that i would want

[Crispy123]

We need MORE Fed Gov't agencies.

[disneyspy]

i want the taxpayers of conneticut to pay for the schools in my state

[Crispy123]

We need more Gov't backed loans for alternative energy.

[hanso]

Pardon Tommy Chong

[Crispy123]

Anyone who goes to a hospital should get medical care.

[hanso]

free nachos for all

[Crispy123]

Reagan blew more 10 year olds than Jerry Sandusky.

[disneyspy]

obama won all 3 wars that bush got us into and is now getting us out of

[epo]

All immigrants deserve guaranteed employment.

[Crispy123]

the federal government needs to offer economic incentives to pregnant foreigners so they will come here and have their babies.

[hanso]

The new 7th inning stretch will be The Mexican Hat Dance.

[disneyspy]

the 99%ers have a solid movement and are doing the country alot of good

[Crispy123]

laissez faire capitalism is more evil than communism.

[hanso]

rush limbaugh will be booed at the start of every nascar race.

[disneyspy]

we need more equal oppurtunity jobs to be created by the government

[epo]

Unwed residents of Comnecticut should be forced into a gay marriage.

[keithy_19]

i think hoover was a much worse president than president obama

Don't say things you can't take back. Hoover was a saint.

[disneyspy]

Don't say things you can't take back. Hoover was a saint.

he sucked!

get it?

[disneyspy]

all money mangers should be jailed

[Crispy123]

American cooperation with the UN is the best way to handle international conflicts.

[disneyspy]

if you work in NYC but live in a different state you should pay triple the taxes

[disneyspy]

fans of wrestling are hayseeds

[booster11373]

I heartily enjoy the turn this thread has taken seems less wretlingfanny

[StanUpshaw]

.

[Bob Impact]

Unwed residents of Comnecticut should be forced into a gay marriage while adopting illegal Mexican children and paying taxes to pay for the schools of children in California.

Fixed that for you.

[disneyspy]

eating on a subway train is acceptable

[epo]

Not only should America participate in the Kyoto Treaty, but those who refer to "cap and trade" systems as "cap and tax" should be double taxed and triple capped.

[hanso]

The peoples elbow is nothing at all like the bionic elbow. And Newt Gingrich's brilliant orations are nothing at all like one time comic Dennis Miller's rants.





Pizza is indeed a vegetable as is pepper spray which should be put on public schools pizza by hall monitors.

[Dude!]

The peoples elbow is nothing at all like the bionic elbow. And Newt Gingrich's brilliant orations are nothing at all like one time comic Dennis Miller's rants.





Pizza is indeed a vegetable as is pepper spray which should be put on public schools pizza by hall monitors.

doesn't get the bit guy

[A.J.]

conneticut smells like new york's garbage

:nono:

[A.J.]

Unwed residents of Comnecticut should be forced into a gay marriage.

:ohmy:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bridgeport conneticut smells like new york's garbage

Pardon Tommy Chong
Dont believe Pot should be criminalized

The new 7th inning stretch will be The Mexican Hat Dance.

National Anthem should start Jose Can you see ?

[sailor]

Because black folk live in Bridgeport, WF? For shame.

[A.J.]

Because black folk live in Bridgeport, WF? For shame.

They live in New Haven too. Bridgeport's a bigger, smellier shithole.

"Park City" my ass.

[sailor]

They live in New Haven too. Bridgeport's a bigger, smellier shithole.

"Park City" my ass.

I'll tell my coworker. She'll cut you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh no, We cant allow states to enforce laws


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57329975/feds-sue-utah-over-immigration-law/#comments

[spoon]

National Anthem should start Jose Can you see ?

:wallbash:

:flush:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama fingered by a white woman


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/23/tatyana-limanova-russian-newscaster-obama-finger_n_1110935.html

[hanso]

Dont believe Pot should be criminalized



National Anthem should start Jose Can you see ?
Next line w/ pepper spray in your eyes.
Oh no, We cant allow states to enforce laws

Next line w/ pepper spray in your eyes.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57329975/feds-sue-utah-over-immigration-law/#comments

As well it should be when it oversteps local Gov. A shit stacking of redundancy thanks to the "non big gov" right wing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Next line w/ pepper spray in your eyes.


As well it should be when it oversteps local Gov. A shit stacking of redundancy thanks to the "non big gov" right wing.

Holder has it all ass backwards. He doesnt sue sanctuary cities, you know the ones actually breaking the law.


Just another thing to remember in 2012

[hanso]

All the abortion laws fall under the same cloud.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bad comparison . States can't naturalize or deport people

[hanso]

My point is redundancy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Redundancy is a massive federal leviathan with thousands of faceless bureaucrats. Mirroring federal law is minuscule

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This debt commission was doomed to be a failure. Obamas super duper committee was not going to cut a cunt hair from the budget. He tossed aside Simpson Bowles. We have ourselves a leader here :lol:

[hanso]

Redundancy is a massive federal leviathan with thousands of faceless bureaucrats. Mirroring federal law is minuscule

Unconstitutional especially the abortion laws see Roe v. Wade.

[hanso]

This debt commission was doomed to be a failure. Obamas super duper committee was not going to cut a cunt hair from the budget. He tossed aside Simpson Bowles. We have ourselves a leader here :lol:

They put up a 4T proposal the right turned it down.


And I recall the same thing before the debt ceiling fiasco.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They put up a 4T proposal the right turned it down.


And I recall the same thing before the debt ceiling fiasco.

The Supercommittee was doomed to fail. Future presidents and congresses would not be obliged to any of these proposals.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Unconstitutional especially the abortion laws see Roe v. Wade.

The federal government should have never stepped in the abortion fight. This should be left to the states. I dont want the government passing laws barring or allowing abortion.
I dont want the feds involved with mariage either


In regards to illegals. Now if a cop just stopped a family of mexicans walking to get ice cream like Obama said they would do with no reason yes thats unconstitutional.


A cop pulling over a car changing lanes at high speeds, and sees that the driver is drunk, has no license, doesnt speak English and suspects hes an illegal and he turns out to be can turn him over to ICE for an immigration detainer to be put on him so that a judge can deport him is not unconstitutional

[hanso]

The Supercommittee was doomed to fail. Future presidents and congresses would not be obliged to any of these proposals.

Pledge to a lobbyist > Pledge to the Constitution = No fiscal Government.

[Dude!]

Pledge to a lobbyist > Pledge to the Constitution = No fiscal Government.

hanso, could you kindly post
a pic of your mom?

i'd like to shoot my jizz on it

[hanso]

The federal government should have never stepped in the abortion fight. This should be left to the states. I dont want the government passing laws barring or allowing abortion.
I dont want the feds involved with mariage either


In regards to illegals. Now if a cop just stopped a family of mexicans walking to get ice cream like Obama said they would do with no reason yes thats unconstitutional.


A cop pulling over a car changing lanes at high speeds, and sees that the driver is drunk, has no license, doesnt speak English and suspects hes an illegal and he turns out to be can turn him over to ICE for an immigration detainer to be put on him so that a judge can deport him is not unconstitutional

Well abortion is legal in the country if states pass laws that say otherwise it won't make it go away.

The Alabama one has any transaction needs to have ID even paying with cash in some instances.

It gets my goat when laws are passed that already exist. Better things could be done. The right does this an awful lot

[spoon]

The federal government should have never stepped in the abortion fight. This should be left to the states. I dont want the government passing laws barring or allowing abortion.
I dont want the feds involved with mariage either


In regards to illegals. Now if a cop just stopped a family of mexicans walking to get ice cream like Obama said they would do with no reason yes thats unconstitutional.


A cop pulling over a car changing lanes at high speeds, and sees that the driver is drunk, has no license, doesnt speak English and suspects hes an illegal and he turns out to be can turn him over to ICE for an immigration detainer to be put on him so that a judge can deport him is not unconstitutional

I love how every illegal or immigrant somehow drives drunk in WF's whacky world of BLOOD ON THE ROAD!

[spoon]

Pledge to a lobbyist > Pledge to the Constitution = No fiscal Government.

pretty much

norquist is a waste and was torched on Real Time

[NickyL0885]

pretty much

norquist is a waste and was torched on Real Time

I saw that. Bill ripped him good.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well abortion is legal in the country if states pass laws that say otherwise it won't make it go away.

The Alabama one has any transaction needs to have ID even paying with cash in some instances.

It gets my goat when laws are passed that already exist. Better things could be done. The right does this an awful lot

If the feds are doing nothing , the states have no choice but to act.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Arizona burning


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/22/us-usa-wildfires-immigrants-idUSTRE7AL1V320111122

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well abortion is legal in the country if states pass laws that say otherwise it won't make it go away.

The Alabama one has any transaction needs to have ID even paying with cash in some instances.

It gets my goat when laws are passed that already exist. Better things could be done. The right does this an awful lot

There are some parts of the law I disagree with like schools being required to provide immigration status of children. Too much paperwork

[hanso]

If the feds are doing nothing , the states have no choice but to act.

Knew you would say that as I previously stated. And wrote that under this administration more deportations have taking place in half a term then all of the last two. That is a fallacy.

WF is that a serial killer on your avatar?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Knew you would say that as I previously stated. And wrote that under this administration more deportations have taking place in half a term then all of the last two. That is a fallacy.

WF is that a serial killer on your avatar?

And did you read that Bush was an open borders hack who wanted Amnesty , Obama halted deportations and went around congress giving 200K work visas.


And his justice deptartment infested with a major gun running scandal is suing states because they are enforcing constitutional laws. Holder is a fucking scumbag

No thats a self portrait of Chuck Close circa 1968. Hes a famous modern artist who has many works in the MoMA.

[cougarjake13]

all we seem to be doing is just a perpetual cycle of arguing bout things that could be done but nothing ever really does

[hanso]

And did you read that Bush was an open borders hack who wanted Amnesty , Obama halted deportations and went around congress giving 200K work visas.


And his justice deptartment infested with a major gun running scandal is suing states because they are enforcing constitutional laws. Holder is a fucking scumbag

No thats a self portrait of Chuck Close circa 1968. Hes a famous modern artist who has many works in the MoMA.

But the total numbers don't lie. As for the Amnesty measure I am convinced it is a ploy from the right to garner Latin votes. After all the same thing as been advocated dating all the way back to Reagan. With nothing of substance ever taking place.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But the total numbers don't lie. As for the Amnesty measure I am convinced it is a ploy from the right to garner Latin votes. After all the same thing as been advocated dating all the way back to Reagan. With nothing of substance ever taking place.

Im not disagreeing with you with the numbers. The GOP can put the carrot with stick in front of the Latino vote and they will vote for the Dems


Obama halted these deportations because hes in reelection mode and he cant afford to lose that loyal vote of theirs

[hanso]

Ok if you go by right wing blogs/fox news this is backdoor amnesty to 100k's. Then if you look at news sources it is a new policy put into effect.





"During the summer, the Obama administration announced it is refocusing immigration efforts on deporting criminals and recent border crossers.

The Department of Homeland Security also reaffirmed something called “prosecutorial discretion” — meaning prosecutors could weigh factors like education, work history, a clean criminal record and community ties in determining which cases to take on."
http://www.austindailyherald.com/2011/11/19/immigration-officials-may-use-discretion-in-deportation-cases/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok if you go by right wing blogs/fox news this is backdoor amnesty to 100k's. Then if you look at news sources it is a new policy put into effect.





"During the summer, the Obama administration announced it is refocusing immigration efforts on deporting criminals and recent border crossers.

The Department of Homeland Security also reaffirmed something called “prosecutorial discretion” — meaning prosecutors could weigh factors like education, work history, a clean criminal record and community ties in determining which cases to take on."
http://www.austindailyherald.com/2011/11/19/immigration-officials-may-use-discretion-in-deportation-cases/





This has nothing to do with fox news. It has to do wih Obama violating the constitution and not consenting congress. How can you tell work history when a majority of illegals do not pay federal income taxes so theres no record on that. Community ties? what does that mean? So what they have been here for 20 years. Is there a statute of limitations for them? Sandusky fucked boys going years back but hes still going to have a trial.


The constitution requires the president to enforce laws passed by congress, He cant bypass congress. Obama should know this since hes supposed to be a constitutional scholar.

These 200k still committed crimes like tax evasion, forgery, identity theft so they should be subject to deportation. Like I said earlier, its reelection campaign mode so hes sucking up to the hispanics

Newt is another fucking dope when he stepped in it the night of the debates. Theres nothing inhumane about parents raising their children in their home country. Parents are responsible for their own children.

do you think he will be given the boot to kenya? Doubt it. The worthless aunt is here like a fucking parasite sucking off the taxpayers, Remember Auntie Z?


http://www.newsnet14.com/images/mug148.26.jpg


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[WRESTLINGFAN]

After all Obama is an expert in traveling & missed shots and dribbling




http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/23/news/la-pn-obama-hoops-20111123

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Latest on F&F


The late Friday afternoon document dump.


In 2006 everyone went batshit insane calling for Alberto Gonzales resignation over the firing of 8 US attorneys and rightfully so, but no one was ever killed.

Why this isnt getting more attention and coverage is alarming. Holder must go


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57335983-10391695/docs-show-justice-department-debated-response-to-congress-about-gunwalking-fast-and-furious-scandal/

[sailor]

That just links to their main page. No article on there seems to match your post.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Link is directly to article

[sailor]

Link is directly to article

odd, kept redirecting to their main page earlier.

[spoon]

Latest on F&F


The late Friday afternoon document dump.


In 2006 everyone went batshit insane calling for Alberto Gonzales resignation over the firing of 8 US attorneys and rightfully so, but no one was ever killed.

Why this isnt getting more attention and coverage is alarming. Holder must go


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57335983-10391695/docs-show-justice-department-debated-response-to-congress-about-gunwalking-fast-and-furious-scandal/

it's all over the news almost daily, what's your definition of more attention/coverage?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it's all over the news almost daily, what's your definition of more attention/coverage?

A 30 second news report is nothing compared to near nonstop news coverage of those 8 fired attys general .

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even though Biden's in this video. Obamas name was namedropped


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Jorzine was considered to be Treasury sec.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-gasparino/obamas-corzine-problem_b_1117006.html


"If you want to know why the president is so lame on the economy, consider who from the private sector he surrounds himself with for advice: Jeffrey Immelt, the chief executive of GE, which creates more jobs overseas lately than here in the US: Warren Buffett, the billionaire investor who when he isn't lecturing people on the need for higher taxes, uses every loophole imaginable to avoid paying his fair share, and Jon Corzine, who until recently was the CEO of MF Global.

The president and Corzine are known to be pretty close, and it goes beyond the president's visit to Corzine's swanky midtown Manhattan apartment for a fundraiser or the hundreds of thousands of dollars that Corzine, the former CEO of Goldman Sachs and former New Jersey governor, raised for the president this year."

[spoon]

A 30 second news report is nothing compared to near nonstop news coverage of those 8 fired attys general .

and he was correctly fired so it was clearly warranted

the problem there was he protected so many that gave him the orders, and THAT was a huge story

this has been covered way beyond 30 second news reports too. if it wasn't the case, you wouldn't have 40k link postings in 50 different threads about it, much less I see it updated daily on the news. perhaps you're watching the wrong channels

[spoon]

Even though Biden's in this video. Obamas name was namedropped


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Jorzine was considered to be Treasury sec.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-gasparino/obamas-corzine-problem_b_1117006.html


"If you want to know why the president is so lame on the economy, consider who from the private sector he surrounds himself with for advice: Jeffrey Immelt, the chief executive of GE, which creates more jobs overseas lately than here in the US: Warren Buffett, the billionaire investor who when he isn't lecturing people on the need for higher taxes, uses every loophole imaginable to avoid paying his fair share, and Jon Corzine, who until recently was the CEO of MF Global.

The president and Corzine are known to be pretty close, and it goes beyond the president's visit to Corzine's swanky midtown Manhattan apartment for a fundraiser or the hundreds of thousands of dollars that Corzine, the former CEO of Goldman Sachs and former New Jersey governor, raised for the president this year."

Tell me WF, if not GE and Buffet amongst other top business men linked to US based companies, who then? Should be do what W did? Or perhaps you have an alternative that isn't batshit insane or over the top with zero regulation/tax policy ideas?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and he was correctly fired so it was clearly warranted

the problem there was he protected so many that gave him the orders, and THAT was a huge story

this has been covered way beyond 30 second news reports too. if it wasn't the case, you wouldn't have 40k link postings in 50 different threads about it, much less I see it updated daily on the news. perhaps you're watching the wrong channels

I agree with the scrutiny of Gonzales but this is much worse. Holder is either incompetent or lying. No US attorneys were killed. A border agent and an INS agent were killed. Ive seen it on the news but not as much as the Gonzales fiasco.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tell me WF, if not GE and Buffet amongst other top business men linked to US based companies, who then? Should be do what W did? Or perhaps you have an alternative that isn't batshit insane or over the top with zero regulation/tax policy ideas?

Do you forget how candidate Obama was going to end all this cronyism and provide transparency and end the special favors and the rest. How many times do I have to say that Bush is no better. The shit promised by this President has morphed into the same false hopes and empty promises and business as fucking usual.


Be prepared for the same shit if theres a Romney admin.


Obama bitches about outsourcing and his top jobs czar ships jobs to India and China. Buffett is a fucking hack just being used as cheap talking points.

[spoon]

ok, let's not address the problems by working with those in control, let's ignore them and hope they send even more abroad

GE has how many employees still in the US? Buffet has made how much over his life with the market and his businesses!? I'd say these are two solid picks overall, one being a staunch republican too I might add.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ok, let's not address the problems by working with those in control, let's ignore them and hope they send even more abroad

GE has how many employees still in the US? Buffet has made how much over his life with the market and his businesses!? I'd say these are two solid picks overall, one being a staunch republican too I might add.

GE's core of making products like Appliances are mostly made overseas now. There are 3 Huge GE offices near where I live but they are GE Capital, the Financial arm of the company.

Buffett is worth tens of billions of dollars thru Berkshire Hathaway as I posted a few weeks back Buffetts enterprises will benefit greatly due to higher taxes.

[spoon]

GE's core of making products like Appliances are mostly made overseas now. There are 3 Huge GE offices near where I live but they are GE Capital, the Financial arm of the company.

Buffett is worth tens of billions of dollars thru Berkshire Hathaway as I posted a few weeks back Buffetts enterprises will benefit greatly due to higher taxes.

how many employees was that again WF?

who is one of the top US employers?



and higher taxes helps this country right now too, not just buffett

also, that doesn't concern me in the least bc he's still right

[WRESTLINGFAN]

how many employees was that again WF?

who is one of the top US employers?



and higher taxes helps this country right now too, not just buffett

also, that doesn't concern me in the least bc he's still right

http://www.gecitizenship.com/metrics/employee-data/ge-employees/

GE's US workers have dropped

Buffett benefits due to the death tax and then his other businesses sell off estates to pay for the taxes. He has benefitted from the Bailout of Goldman Sachs. Buffett wants taxes higher but will still use all the loopholes and exemptions

[spoon]

again

i'll ask again,

how many?

and where does GE rank?



i fully expect the same type retort on buffett bs and hate

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again

i'll ask again,

how many?

and where does GE rank?



i fully expect the same type retort on buffett bs and hate

From its own website 150K US workers.

http://www.ge.com/news/our_viewpoints/free_trade.html

Forbes listed them as the 6th largest.

[spoon]

in fact, while your at it, how about 5-10?

shit, just list the top 10 for fun

walmart nation baby!

top jobs and hc for all

perhaps this is your other option, or the oil comps that helped us so much during rec profit years over the last few terms which took a huge jump under w? 30 billion again for x as we speak...give them all more oil subs

do you see the ties here? with both parties and in both directions? yet they do still differ in ops on the next step

[StanUpshaw]

in fact, while your at it, how about 5-10?

shit, just list the top 10 for fun

walmart nation baby!

top jobs and hc for all

perhaps this is your other option, or the oil comps that helped us so much during rec profit years over the last few terms which took a huge jump under w? 30 billion again for x as we speak...give them all more oil subs

do you see the ties here? with both parties and in both directions? yet they do still differ in ops on the next step

Use words.

[spoon]

nope, on a phone so b ready for full on text up your ass mode asshole!


i could always go Dude! mode for u 2, but that involves assplay as well

[cougarjake13]

again

i'll ask again,

how many?




1.95

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Attention US Citizens jackboot thugs wearing blue uniforms will feel you up while traveling within the US before you borard your flights

Senoras Y Senores de Mexico Bienvenidos


http://news.yahoo.com/us-proposes-unmanned-border-crossing-mexico-192547674.html

[spoon]

Attention US Citizens jackboot thugs wearing blue uniforms will feel you up while traveling within the US before you borard your flights

Senoras Y Senores de Mexico Bienvenidos


http://news.yahoo.com/us-proposes-unmanned-border-crossing-mexico-192547674.html

jackboot thugs will feel you up?

ha! you are quite the daisy!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

jackboot thugs will feel you up?

ha! you are quite the daisy!

Yes, your friendly TSA Agents

[spoon]

i don't care if they check me out and travel plenty

you're getting on a plane with hundreds of other US cits so yeh, safety concerns me and a 5-10 minute delay is not an issue for me

this border tie in is quaint and foolish

separate issues, separate discussions

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i don't care if they check me out and travel plenty

you're getting on a plane with hundreds of other US cits so yeh, safety concerns me and a 5-10 minute delay is not an issue for me

this border tie in is quaint and foolish

separate issues, separate discussions

You would give your civill liberties for a false sense of security ?

No its not. The unmanned border will allow anyone to enter. The TSA is basically practicing guilt before innocence. Why isnt there money for all the pet projects you want? Look at the annual budget for Homeland security.


Plus the feds are required to secure the border under article 4 section 4. The TSA thru the fed gov't is violating your 4th amendment rights.

[spoon]

i disagree

it's a flight with the public at large in which many factors have to be weighed for our safety overall...it makes perfect sense

as for the border, separate issue still

similar concerns and safety/money/rights are involved again sure, but not the same

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"



http://www.collegerealestate.com/blog/benjamin_franklin.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The TSA is a slippery slope to more government abusing of our civil liberties. If an IED goes off in a major city look for checkpoints everywhere. A Madrid style train attack will have agents on NJ Transit LIRR Amtrak and other rail lines.

[spoon]

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"



http://www.collegerealestate.com/blog/benjamin_franklin.jpg

zzzzzzzz

it's a flight and they screen you fucking bags

the patriot act, this new detention of us cits bill...those are in line with your tact

yet everything we ever do to protect us isn't some affront to your freedom and can we just stop running to that tired quote? bottom line is, do you want No screening at airports? Really? bc your feelings are hurt a college kid made you walk through a metal detector and idiots that act up and or don't take it seriously get a pat down?

my rights are most destroyed by corps getting to buy votes, so how is that for linking different subjects master random tie-ins?

[spoon]

The TSA is a slippery slope to more government abusing of our civil liberties. If an IED goes off in a major city look for checkpoints everywhere. A Madrid style train attack will have agents on NJ Transit LIRR Amtrak and other rail lines.

ah, no more gov jobs now I got you

[WRESTLINGFAN]

zzzzzzzz

it's a flight and they screen you fucking bags

the patriot act, this new detention of us cits bill...those are in line with your tact

yet everything we ever do to protect us isn't some affront to your freedom and can we just stop running to that tired quote? bottom line is, do you want No screening at airports? Really? bc your feelings are hurt a college kid made you walk through a metal detector and idiots that act up and or don't take it seriously get a pat down?

my rights are most destroyed by corps getting to buy votes, so how is that for linking different subjects master random tie-ins?

If you want a top to bottom blanket of false security. Just stay home.

I am not calling for no security but as usual something happens and this fucking government imposes draconian practices. If anything hire private firms. You can sue them you cant sue the feds.

Even the ACLU is against all of these infringements on our rights.

[spoon]

If you want a top to bottom blanket of false security. Just stay home.

I am not calling for no security but as usual something happens and this fucking government imposes draconian practices. If anything hire private firms. You can sue them you cant sue the feds.

Even the ACLU is against all of these infringements on our rights.

first off, you can't sue the fed? please explain all those epa lawsuits with big business then along with SOOOOooo much more?

next, you just assume I think the ACLU is just some infallible organization huh!? Ha!

finally, it's draconian yet, if we hire private firms it's cool...bc we can sue them? Oh wow that sounds soooo much better! Like the fine print we'd be signing every time that now corporations will be looking deep into the people getting on the planes and I'm sure none of that would be used for other purposes. stop fearing government and realize corps are even worse at crushing our freedoms. I'm no fan of both, but I sure as hell don't mind a simple pat down going into a court house or boarding a plane.