Obama - Worst President Ever?

[TheMojoPin]

An ipod for the queen of England.....you have to be kidding. What an embarrassment.

Why? All she gives out are pictures of herself.

[angrymissy]

Pool reporter Richard Wolf of USA Today says that an Obama aide told him the President also gave the Queen a "rare songbook signed by Richard Rogers".

The ipod was loaded with videos of her last visit to the US.

All he got was a crummy picture of her and some old guy.

[TheMojoPin]

Pool reporter Richard Wolf of USA Today says that an Obama aide told him the President also gave the Queen a "rare songbook signed by Richard Rogers".

The ipod was loaded with videos of her last visit to the US.

OH MY GOD, THIS IS SO EMBARASSING.

Countdown to JerseySean including this on his list of "foreign policy failures" starts NOW....

[foodcourtdruide]

OH MY GOD, THIS IS SO EMBARASSING.

Countdown to JerseySean including this on his list of "foreign policy failures" starts NOW....

It's a bit.

[epo]

An ipod for the queen of England.....you have to be kidding. What an embarrassment.

I agree. I say if that chick didn't like it, that he takes it back and smashes the bullshit picture that she gave him.

That would learn her some matters. GIT R DONE.

[Furtherman]

It's hack to complain about the gift. The "oh he does everything wrong" attitude is really wearing thin.

[Furtherman]

All he got was a crummy picture of her and some old guy.

Who is not even a king.

The English monarchy is antiquated and they have very little power, if any at all. They're mostly still around for tourist and traditional reasons.

They shouldn't even be on a country leader's list of people to see, if not just for respect only.

[Foster]

An ipod for the queen of England.....you have to be kidding. What an embarrassment.

it could have been worse,
he could have given her the box set of the American verson of "the office"

[scottinnj]

I agree. I say if that chick didn't like it, that he takes it back and smashes the bullshit picture that she gave him.

That would learn her some matters. GIT R DONE.

Okay, after the completely shitty day I had, I want to say thanks for that post. I laughed out loud in front of my wife and daughter.

Thanks pal.

[HBox]

Obama can only aspire to the kind of class that this man displayed. (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21691374-5006003,00.html)

[TheMojoPin]

Obama can only aspire to the kind of class that this man displayed. (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21691374-5006003,00.html)

DAMN THAT GLOBAL LIBERAL MEDIA!

[Syd]

just as a heads up for the people who are obsessed with the founding fathers and their principles and freedom and stuff, none of them were too found of britain

[angrymissy]

Michelle and the Queen are totally gonna dyke out

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/wp-content/assets/19/1146/article_photo1_sm.jpg

[A.J.]

Michelle and the Queen are totally gonna dyke out

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/wp-content/assets/19/1146/article_photo1_sm.jpg

We should forward this to the First Lady then. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78196&highlight=queen)

[brettmojo]

An ipod for the queen of England.....you have to be kidding. What an embarrassment.
When he invades a country on an Easter egg hunt for WMDs, I'll agree.

[hedges]

Sounds as if ex- constitional law prof. Obama is protecting the past institution (Bush,Cheney) to a certain extent by condoning their behavior and acts such as the Patriot Act and domestic wiretapping.

[scottinnj]

Chia Pet Hair (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2205215#post2205215) = Worst President Ever

[Bestinshow]

Obama hires Kuma but not Harold? Isn't it called Harold and Kuma, not Kuma and Harold? Isn't harold at least as good as Kuma? I think this is a major race slight.
Also, Obama is running the Car companies, banks , insurance companies....now he's dipping into the actors' guild? Before you know it he will be running McDonalds.

[mikeyboy]

Obama hires Kuma but not Harold? Isn't it called Harold and Kuma, not Kuma and Harold? Isn't harold at least as good as Kuma? I think this is a major race slight.
Also, Obama is running the Car companies, banks , insurance companies....now he's dipping into the actors' guild? Before you know it he will be running McDonalds.

Wasn't Harold Korean?

[Aggie]

Well, he needed to get a good stash from someone. :smoke:

[TheMojoPin]

And it's "Kumar." "Kuma" sounds like what would happen if Kevin ever fucked his puma without a rubber.

[Coach]

Kuma..the Iga ninja from world heroes? Or the Fighting Bear from Tekken? I'm confused..

[Bestinshow]

I understand he's Korean. I was so mad I forgot.

[mikeyboy]

Merging with the other "Obama sucks" thread.

[Furtherman]

Kumar will be too busy doing Star Trek.

[Bestinshow]

Now that little fat bastard running Korea will be all pissed off and go off making nucleur bombs. See what you caused Obama?

[Bestinshow]

i WANTED MY OWN THREAD!!!!:down::ohmy::flush::glurps::thumbdown: :wallbash:

DAMN LIBERAL MEDIA!

[SatCam]

Merging with the other "Obama sucks" thread.

you really shouldve just deleted the thread

[Bestinshow]

you really shouldve just deleted the thread


Yea I know. Foolish to try and poke some fun in such a serious and intellectual forum.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I LOVE how the “Worst President Ever” thread – which was supposed to be a joke – has now spawned a “Best President Ever” thread – which is equally a joke! And they’re both stickies! harhar

And at the most, you are paying 35 percent to the federal government. How are you paying half of your annual salary to the Federal government? If you are, then you obviously do not have a good accountant.

I NEVER said half to the Feds. I said “Federal taxes, state, county, property, excise, fuel, sales, capital gains, dividend, etc etc etc. Enough already!”

Look out! Hold on to your wallets! And your guns!

:laugh:

[scottinnj]

Seals kill 3 pirates
Not enough diplomacy which = Worst president everm

[SatCam]

Yea I know. Foolish to try and poke some fun in such a serious and intellectual forum.

hmmmmm......

Obama hires Kuma but not Harold? Isn't it called Harold and Kuma, not Kuma and Harold? Isn't harold at least as good as Kuma? I think this is a major race slight.

OK let's take a look at this first part. The main reason this completely crashed and burned is because it's "Harold and Kumar" and not "Harold and Kuma". Second of all, it's not like there is any "major race slight" as one of them is Indian, and the other is Korean, and neither of them are black or white (which would definitely be the only way to go unless Obama was somehow known to favor Indians or Koreans). These points were already made by posters above. The final reason this joke was terrible was because you kept repeating it. You typed the names "Harold" and "Kuma" four times in three sentences and to make matters worse, you spelled one of those names wrong all four times.

Also, Obama is running the Car companies, banks , insurance companies....now he's dipping into the actors' guild? Before you know it he will be running McDonalds.

This was a good attempt, but I think it fell short. McDonalds doesn't really connect that well to the other three groups mentioned. If you wanted a big multi-national corporation I would have definitely gone with Wal-Mart. It's the face of big business in this country. But, if you wanted to choose a big fast food company, the obvious choice here is KFC.

So let's face it, those two jokes were terrible. If posted in this thread in the first place, they probably would have been quickly ignored, but would have been quite forgivable. However, you felt for some reason that they warranted an entire thread. When there are already two Obama threads on the front page. Not only that, the story you were parodying is far from a top story and your jokes were far from top notch.

Then, when a mod (rightfully so) merges the thread, you whine about it. So I felt that really, your thread shouldn't have even been given the light of day considering all of the aforesaid circumstances. Hence my above post.

[badmonkey]

AP Newsbreak: Obama looks at climate engineering (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hm1kMpA2nQALOfQL8Y8PxxTHNVtgD97ECHLG1)

By SETH BORENSTEIN – 5 days ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The president's new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.

John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.

"It's got to be looked at," he said. "We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table."

So is pollution the problem or the solution? I can't fucking keep up anymore.

[DarkHippie]

Also, Obama is running the Car companies, banks , insurance companies....now he's dipping into the actors' guild? Before you know it he will be running McDonalds.


I hope he starts running McDonalds so that we can get back the McRib

[HBox]

So is pollution the problem or the solution? I can't fucking keep up anymore.

It's like alcohol. It's the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

[epo]

So is pollution the problem or the solution? I can't fucking keep up anymore.

Lets all calm down there. Here is a statement from Dr. Holdren himself (http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/science-adviser-lists-goals-on-climate-energy/):

I said that the approaches that have been surfaced so far seem problematic in terms of both efficacy and side effects, but we have to look at the possibilities and understand them because if we get desperate enough it will be considered. I also made clear that this was my personal view, not Administration policy. Asked whether I had mentioned geo-engineering in any White House discussions, though, I said that I had. This is NOT the same thing as saying the White House is giving serious consideration to geo-engineering – which it isn’t — and I am disappointed that the headline and the text of the article suggest otherwise.

So yea....I wouldn't take that original AP story very seriously.

[high fly]

Now that punk Obama has gone and authorized force which successfully rescued the captain and killed 3 Somali community organizers.

I had to wonder, "What would Reagan do?"

Of course Ronald "Dutch" Reagan set the standard when it came to dealing with hostage-takers.
He rewarded them richly with top secret American intelligence and weapons galore!

Then he sagely lied to the American people about it, telling them that to reward terrorists would just invite more of it.
Ahhhhh, those were the good old days....

[TheMojoPin]

Now that punk Obama has gone and authorized force which successfully rescued the captain and killed 3 Somali community organizers.

I had to wonder, "What would Reagan do?"

Of course Ronald "Dutch" Reagan set the standard when it came to dealing with hostage-takers.
He rewarded them richly with top secret American intelligence and weapons galore!

Then he sagely lied to the American people about it, telling them that to reward terrorists would just invite more of it.
Ahhhhh, those were the good old days....

I really don't think you can credit Obama with much in regards to this.

[high fly]

Not in this thread....




EDIT: see response in "Best President Ever" thread

[underdog]

Now that punk Obama has gone and authorized force which successfully rescued the captain and killed 3 Somali community organizers.

I had to wonder, "What would Reagan do?"

Of course Ronald "Dutch" Reagan set the standard when it came to dealing with hostage-takers.
He rewarded them richly with top secret American intelligence and weapons galore!

Then he sagely lied to the American people about it, telling them that to reward terrorists would just invite more of it.
Ahhhhh, those were the good old days....

I think we need to attack Barbados before any more pirate attacks happen.

Has anyone else realized that PIRATE and OSAMA share a letter? Kind of suspicious, I think.

[angrymissy]

Someone sent this to me today:

OMG, Did you hear the incredibly stupid thing President Obama did today, regarding[trivial_issue] ? Instead of [what he did], it's clear a leader like [Reagan/Cheney/Al_Haig] would have [opposite_of_what_he_did], resulting in[collapse_of_USSR/tax_windfalls_for_the_hard_working_corporate_overl ords/folksy_bromides_for_all]. Instead, Obama's actions will clearly lead to Islamic_tyranical_socialism/surrender_to_France/mandatory_gay_marriages] and the end of [Grandma/Apple_Pie/Bear_Stearns/genocide_against_the_poor] as we know and love it.

This obviously demonstrates he's a [wuss/socialist/muslamic/North_Korean_Despot][/B] who will stop at nothing until [America's_youth_are_goosestepping/Dress_Barn_sells_Burkas/the_unemployed_are_fed_Soylent_Green_made_from_exe cutives'_intestines][/B].

It was different when Bush did [a_similar_thing] because [Iraq_had_3_rusty_tubes/terrorists_would_storm_the_Texas_Rangers_Club_hous e/Jesus_told_him_the_atmosphere_was_thirsty_for_more _CO2].

Everyone who voted for this [scoundrel/NAMBLA_founder/empty_suit_who_faked_his_Frankfurt_3_pointer] must clearly see that they were [hoodwinked/under_the_spell_of_an_ancient_Kenyan_curse/afraid_of_that_old_man_smell_in_the_White_House].

[SonOfSmeagol]

I had to wonder, "What would Reagan do?"

Of course Ronald "Dutch" Reagan set the standard when it came to dealing with hostage-takers.
He rewarded them richly with top secret American intelligence and weapons galore!

Then he sagely lied to the American people about it, telling them that to reward terrorists would just invite more of it.
Ahhhhh, those were the good old days....

Ahhhhh, spun like a fine Red Chinese silk web to your satisfaction, not to mention a red herring – er, strawman. Just look up Tower Commission – end of story.

That said - I had to wonder, "What would Jimmy Carter do?" harharharFUCKINGhar

[foodcourtdruide]

Ahhhhh, spun like a fine Red Chinese silk web to your satisfaction, not to mention a red herring – er, strawman. Just look up Tower Commission – end of story.

That said - I had to wonder, "What would Jimmy Carter do?" harharharFUCKINGhar


What would steve nash do? Probably play basketball.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This whole $250,000 being rich mantra has got to stop. Living in the northeast that is far from being rich. Most people dont know economics and when they do all this polling on taxes and the economy for example, most people dont know Keynesian theory vs supply side economics

95% working people will get a tax cut, however taxes on everything else are going up. Year after year these property taxes get more and more outrageous, furthermore taxes on cigars, cigarettes, alcohol etc are going up as well

Keep smoking those cigarettes and cigars, youre actually helping the children by funding SCHIP. As a non smoker I guess im selfish

[The Jays]

$250,000 is not middle class, by any means, and just because all your neighbors make $1,000,000 while you make $250,000 doesn't make you poor, and shouldn't entitle you to a tax break.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

$250,000 for a family of 4 in NY/NJ/CT (nyc metro area) is middle class. Factor in property taxes and there it is

[jimmyolsenblues]

funny how most people forget that AIG got 85 billion when Bush was president and not obama.

[The Jays]

$250,000 for a family of 4 in NY/NJ/CT (nyc metro area) is middle class. Factor in property taxes and there it is

So what is $100,000 for a couple living in an apartment? Poverty level?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

funny how most people forget that AIG got 85 billion when Bush was president and not obama.

I opposed all bailouts, why subsidize failure?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So what is $100,000 for a couple living in an apartment? Poverty level?

A 2 bedroom Condo in Westchester county with $14,000 property taxes eats away at that $100,000

Whats rich in your opinion? anyone making a salary?

[The Jays]

You are picking areas where the property taxes are so ridiculous, only high income earners can live there. Why should I consider someone middle class because they're able to barely live in an affluent community? Why should those residents get a tax break because they chose to live in such high property taxed areas? They already get to deduct those property taxes.

And, if it's a family of 4, they get to deduct $3,500 off for each dependent.

My definition of rich? Those whose incomes are well above the median income in the United States.

I personally enjoy this article on the matter. (http://www.newsweek.com/id/155951)

But the number of places where $250,000 stretches you is small indeed—certain parts of Greenwich, Conn.; several neighborhoods in Manhattan; some of California's coast. Even in the most exclusive communities where the wealthy congregate, $250,000 is still pretty good coin. Consider this: CNNMoney recently ranked America's 25 wealthiest towns. In all of them, someone making $250,000 would have a difficult time buying his dream house. But in all of them, making $250,000 means you're doing better than most of your neighbors. Even in America's richest town, New Canaan, Conn., the median income is $231,138.

[The Jays]

A 2 bedroom Condo in Westchester county with $14,000 property taxes eats away at that $100,000

Whats rich in your opinion? anyone making a salary?


I said an apartment that one pays rent on, not a condo in Westchester, which a couple who each make $50,000 probably would pass on because they could not afford to live there to begin with.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are picking areas where the property taxes are so ridiculous, only high income earners can live there. Why should I consider someone middle class because they're able to barely live in an affluent community? Why should those residents get a tax break because they chose to live in such high property taxed areas? They already get to deduct those property taxes.

And, if it's a family of 4, they get to deduct $3,500 off for each dependent.

My definition of rich? Those whose incomes are well above the median income in the United States.

I personally enjoy this article on the matter. (http://www.newsweek.com/id/155951)

Well $ 250,000 doesnt buy what it used to.
http://www.businessweek.com/debateroom/archives/2008/06/250000_isnt_ric.html

[The Jays]

The cost of living is dropping due to the economy, and so are most mortgage rates, and prices of homes.

This does not change the fact that wages of most wage earners has not gone up in decades, while the top incomes have skyrocketed. The market has not correted this.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The cost of living is dropping due to the economy, and so are most mortgage rates, and prices of homes.

This does not change the fact that wages of most wage earners has not gone up in decades, while the top incomes have skyrocketed. The market has not correted this.

I dont disagree with you that we are in a deflationary cycle, However inflation will be a factor in a few years after all this money is printed up. Raising taxes on the rich isnt going to pay for it all. Furthermore if there are cap and trade laws, companies are going to pass that extra cost to the consumer

Oil prices arent going to stay at $50.00 , Dont be surprised if it goes back over $100. When it was at near $150 it was because of a weak dollar, People buy oil and other commodities to hedge against that

I am in no way close to making $250,000 but I do see my taxes going up eventually, its going to happen will all this money being spent

This isnt about being anti Obama fiscal policy, its just being realistic

[Bob Impact]

So what is $100,000 for a couple living in an apartment? Poverty level?

Sarah and I fall into this category, you go find me a place near my job in Fairfield and then tell me how rich we are.

[The Jays]

Sarah and I fall into this category, you go find me a place near my job in Fairfield and then tell me how rich we are.

I did not say that it is rich, in fact, I'm near the same. I said that $250,000 for an individual is not middle class.

[Ogre]

I hope he starts running McDonalds so that we can get back the McRib

Dude we might be polar opposites regarding politics, but the McRib was the zenith of processed junk flavored to perfection. Man I'm fuckin starvin'.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/McRib.jpg/800px-McRib.jpg

[Serpico1103]

$250,000 for a family of 4 in NY/NJ/CT (nyc metro area) is middle class. Factor in property taxes and there it is

No where in the US is 250K middle class. If you choose to buy a house out of your range, when a cheaper house is within a reasonable commute that is your fault.
If you decide to spend that 250K on a million dollar house, 2 or three new luxury sedans, plasma tvs in every room, that is a decision, a bad decision.
250K, if you work in Manhattan, affords a family of 4, a very nice residence in Brooklyn, Queens, Jersey, and Ct.
If 250K is middle class, what is 100K, 150K, 200K? Lower class?

[The Jays]

I gotta get on welfare, because I make less than $100,000 a year. I'm practically living on the street.

[DarkHippie]

this will only make the tax laws more complex, but maybe we should allow deductions for things like rent and utilities, since they vary so much from one area to another

[The Jays]

Then they would have to audit everyone to be sure we were all telling the truth.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I did not say that it is rich, in fact, I'm near the same. I said that $250,000 for an individual is not middle class.

$250,000 for someone in his 30s unmarried and no dependents is living comfortablly , can we agree upper middle class?

[The Jays]

We can agree that the person is upper middle class. They certainly are not rich, but they are living comfortably.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I gotta get on welfare, because I make less than $100,000 a year. I'm practically living on the street.

Im sure its in a very nice area though.

[The Jays]

If I am forced to live on the street, zoning does not permit me to erect a cardboard box to live in, so the city must furnish the sidewalks with small, 3 room 1 story shacks that I can sleep in at night.

[zildjian361]

gas has already gone up in 45cents in the last month. it' a start.

now his bailout money is going to welfare towns i nj not my town, shit we got more kids in little ferry than in ptown. fuck obama. Yanks win 6-5:tongue:

[The Jays]

What the hell are you babbling about? Bailout money doesn't go to people, it goes to companies, and they have to pay it back plus interest. Gas prices rising has nothing to do with taxes, it usually has to do with the constant fluctuation of gas commodities, which is related to oil prices.

[zildjian361]

babble this:laugh:

[led37zep]

Obama shakes hands with Chavez (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/17/obama-chavez-shake-hands-summit-americas/)


This should go over well with some folks.

[razorboy]

Obama shakes hands with Chavez (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/17/obama-chavez-shake-hands-summit-americas/)


This should go over well with some folks.

The horror.:rolleyes:

[keithy_19]

The horror.:rolleyes:

What people don't seem to get is that Chavez is a tyrant who opresses his people. I don't think the leader of the free world should be shaking hands with someone who constantly opresses human rights.

[HBox]

What people don't seem to get is that Chavez is a tyrant who opresses his people. I don't think the leader of the free world should be shaking hands with someone who constantly opresses human rights.

Yes, because this attitude has worked WONDERS the last 8 years, right?

[keithy_19]

Yes, because this attitude has worked WONDERS the last 8 years, right?

What are we going to gain from being buddy buddy with Chavez?

He is a tyrant. He opresses his people. He hates gays. He is a terrible leader.

You smile and shake his hand for what? So he won't be anti-semetic? Since when has trying to be a nice guy worked when hatred is involved? You end up looking like a pawn.

[HBox]

What are we going to gain from being buddy buddy with Chavez?

He is a tyrant. He opresses his people. He hates gays. He is a terrible leader.

You smile and shake his hand for what? So he won't be anti-semetic? Since when has trying to be a nice guy worked when hatred is involved? You end up looking like a pawn.

Because it's fucking diplomacy. It's not being buddy buddy. It's shaking a guys hand. Stop making more of it. Obama isn't going out of his way to snub Hu Jintao, the "President" of Russia Dmitri Medvedev or King Abdullah. We can't make every government in the world treat its people right and if we could it wouldn't happen through empty non-gestures.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Great week for the US


“US 'deeply disappointed' as Iran convicts reporter”
Disappointed? DISAPPOINTED???!!! How bout fucking OUTRAGED??


In front of photographers, Chavez gave B O a copy of "The Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent," a book by Eduardo Galeano that chronicles U.S. and European economic and political interference in the region.
When a reporter asked B O ama what he thought of the book, the president replied: "I thought it was one of Chavez's books. I was going to give him one of mine." White House advisers said they didn't know if B O would read it or not.
HUH?
He should’ve handed it the fuck back -under NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. How long does it take to LOOK AT THE FUCKING TITLE.


“President B O on Saturday named Jeffrey Zients, a longtime management consultant, as chief performance officer to head an effort to streamline government and cut costs.”
Defense will be target NUMBER ONE – you can be sure of it.


“U.S. monitors of North Korea's nuclear program left the communist nation after the regime ordered them out and vowed to restart its reactor in anger over U.N. criticism of its recent rocket launch.”
Pisspot N Korea.


"Man bites python"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090415/od_nm/us_python_odd;_ylt=AlV.o7Hf34.SWIioTlEuGyMDW7oF
(http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090415/od_nm/us_python_odd;_ylt=AlV.o7Hf34.SWIioTlEuGyMDW7oF)
Where was HRC, SecState? Couldn’t she’ve TALKED HIM DOWN? WTF?

[SP1!]

I havent posted a lot in here because even I believe obama deserves the benefit of the doubt for the first year or so but shaking hands with chavez is shitty, chavez is a thug who has stolen money from companies that has invested billions in the infrastructure of their country and employed thousands. To think he is worthy of respect or even equal footing is insane, of course his people will think so since hes still riding this out but if he doesnt get backing soon there will be a massive uprising in the next few years down there.

This was obamas first real fuck up.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here's another interesting article on the $250,000 threshold


http://finance.yahoo.com/retirement/article/106934/Wealth-Less-Effect-Earning-Well-Feeling-Otherwise

[HBox]

No matter how you feel about it if you earn $250,000 you make more than so many in this country that you ARE rich. However one issue I do have is that I think we need more tax brackets for higher earners. Why should someone who makes let's say $350,000 a year pay the same rate in taxes on his income over $250,000 as a guy who makes $5 million? If you adjusted the brackets and gave the top bracket a much higher threshold than $250,000 then I think we'd have a more fair and progressive income tax system. The top incomes in this country have skyrocketed so much that this seems more than appropriate.

[Freitag]

Obama shakes hands with Chavez (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/17/obama-chavez-shake-hands-summit-americas/)


This should go over well with some folks.

I have a picture of Gvac and Mikey smiling. Your point?

[epo]

I have a picture of Gvac and Mikey smiling. Your point?

Shh.....don't get in the way of their FAKE OUTRAGE! Sure they don't understand the history of failed South American policy.....but he touched Chavez! Be frightened!

[underdog]

No matter how you feel about it if you earn $250,000 you make more than so many in this country that you ARE rich. However one issue I do have is that I think we need more tax brackets for higher earners. Why should someone who makes let's say $350,000 a year pay the same rate in taxes on his income over $250,000 as a guy who makes $5 million? If you adjusted the brackets and gave the top bracket a much higher threshold than $250,000 then I think we'd have a more fair and progressive income tax system. The top incomes in this country have skyrocketed so much that this seems more than appropriate.

Progressive taxing sucks. Get rid of most of the deductions people can make, make a flat tax rate and a federal sales tax and the richest of the rich will still pay way, WAY more in taxes.

[CurseoftheBambi]

I havent posted a lot in here because even I believe obama deserves the benefit of the doubt for the first year or so but shaking hands with chavez is shitty, chavez is a thug who has stolen money from companies that has invested billions in the infrastructure of their country and employed thousands. To think he is worthy of respect or even equal footing is insane, of course his people will think so since hes still riding this out but if he doesnt get backing soon there will be a massive uprising in the next few years down there.

This was obamas first real fuck up.

What people don't seem to get is that Chavez is a tyrant who opresses his people. I don't think the leader of the free world should be shaking hands with someone who constantly opresses human rights. What are we going to gain from being buddy buddy with Chavez?

He is a tyrant. He opresses his people. He hates gays. He is a terrible leader.

You smile and shake his hand for what? So he won't be anti-semetic? Since when has trying to be a nice guy worked when hatred is involved? You end up looking like a pawn.


This is Obama: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mdUiSbwF3Bo/SemstdmKoXI/AAAAAAAAAzE/TFgZ4lYAigI/s320/Obama_Chavez.jpg

These are Other Presidents

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/Seyg7fg9ZeI/AAAAAAAADfY/M2l0_HT2FHI/s400/nixonbrez.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/Seyg7KzexgI/AAAAAAAADfQ/TVFbCQLL3wU/s400/nixonbrezh2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/Seyg6pIX8CI/AAAAAAAADfI/bBvAdFtJQOU/s400/reagangorb.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mdUiSbwF3Bo/Sete4QEM1VI/AAAAAAAAAz8/eiCIKdcepME/s320/bush-putin-campdavid.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mdUiSbwF3Bo/SetNUIYlFUI/AAAAAAAAAz0/AjksU_YVgI8/s320/Bush_Putin.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mdUiSbwF3Bo/SemtSEiy_cI/AAAAAAAAAzk/AcSXV0UX0EU/s320/nixon_mao.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mdUiSbwF3Bo/SemtMRGUz0I/AAAAAAAAAzc/DV4gpxsIsvA/s320/Nixon_Brez.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mdUiSbwF3Bo/SemtGqzKoGI/AAAAAAAAAzU/WVdNH6oqofY/s320/Ford_Brez.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mdUiSbwF3Bo/SemtBJZMavI/AAAAAAAAAzM/yuXKU3RHoG8/s320/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg <---not a president but officer of past administration.

Any Questions? :nono:

[led37zep]

I have a picture of Gvac and Mikey smiling. Your point?

I highly doubt such a picture exists.

[epo]

Progressive taxing sucks. Get rid of most of the deductions people can make, make a flat tax rate and a federal sales tax and the richest of the rich will still pay way, WAY more in taxes.

Progressive income taxes for 4-Life!

[underdog]

Progressive income taxes for 4-Life!

I do not get your joke.

[epo]

I do not get your joke.

No joke. Close the tax loopholes and keep progressive tax rates.

Flat taxers make no sense when you factor in Rate of Return on tax dollars.

[HBox]

Progressive taxing sucks. Get rid of most of the deductions people can make, make a flat tax rate and a federal sales tax and the richest of the rich will still pay way, WAY more in taxes.

A federal sales tax is incredibly regressive. You do that and the poorest will be paying the highest percentage of their income in taxes.

[epo]

A federal sales tax is incredibly regressive. You do that and the poorest will be paying the highest percentage of their income in taxes.

Ding.

Flat taxers are almost childish in their view of the world.

[Recyclerz]

Ding.

Flat taxers are almost childish in their view of the world.

Childish or fiendishly clever? It seems to me that those pushing the flat tax meme, (like Steve Forbes, who made his money the old-fashioned way - he inherited it) the high income right-wingers, have gotten a lot of people who would be economically diminished by such a policy to push it the hardest, like our tea-bagging friends.

But I'm not completely against a federal sales/consumption/VAT tax. Once the economy recovers we're going to have to do something besides asking China for an increase in our allowance to keep the country solvent. And a consumption tax or VAT is probably the most economically sound of the choices. However, it cannot replace the income tax but we also can't realistically expect taxes on the upper income earners to pay for everything.

[SP1!]

Shh.....don't get in the way of their FAKE OUTRAGE! Sure they don't understand the history of failed South American policy.....but he touched Chavez! Be frightened!
Yes because its our fault their policy failed. I know a lot of it this is put on us because we funded anti communist fighters down there but fucking please, if these people had balls they wouldnt be in that situation. Latin Americas failings are their own problems, we had very little to do with their fuck ups.

This is Obama: <---not a president but officer of past administration.

Any Questions? :nono:
Those are world leaders, chavez is a two bit thug that has bought his way into unending power, more like hussein than the others. He stole billions of dollars of infrastructure left by oil companies so its real easy to give money back to the people, in a few years though that money is gonna dry up and he is just setting up a scapegoat and trying to kiss ass so american and british businesses will come back and invest money in his shithole.

A federal sales tax is incredibly regressive. You do that and the poorest will be paying the highest percentage of their income in taxes.
No its not, there are numerous cost of living inclusions that make up this difference and the best plan for a sales tax was based on linders plan which is essentially a consumption tax where the people who spend more pay more in taxes. Pretty plain and simple, those who buy more, pay more in taxes. The plan works when laid out, economists have looked at it and said it works, the problem is that people change the rules to make it look worse than it really is.

The tax system is unfair in its current state, there is no reason why someone who barely works should get a huge tax return, its like a year end bonus for being a fucking deadbeat.

[TheMojoPin]

Those are world leaders, chavez is a two bit thug that has bought his way into unending power, more like hussein than the others. He stole billions of dollars of infrastructure left by oil companies so its real easy to give money back to the people, in a few years though that money is gonna dry up and he is just setting up a scapegoat and trying to kiss ass so american and british businesses will come back and invest money in his shithole.

But here's the thing...Chavez currently runs a country that is our 3rd largest source of oil. At the moment we can't just pretend like he doesn't exist. I prefer to take the diplomatic high road and make his tantrums look even more childish that way.

[SP1!]

But here's the thing...Chavez currently runs a country that is our 3rd largest source of oil. At the moment we can't just pretend like he doesn't exist. I prefer to take the diplomatic high road and make his tantrums look even more childish that way.
Im sorry I just cant get past the fact he stole that oil and all the machinery and infrastructure from the companies who invested down there, fuck Im sure people would love me too if I could get away with stealing billions of dollars then just giving it back to the people.

The problem is, the oil down there is hard to reach and he is eventually going to need them back, but treating him as anything less than a dirty criminal is just fucking insane. Just like obama sitting there while ortega went on his rant, at the least he should have walked out, he didnt have to make a spectacle but show some balls and leave.

Im all for changing our nations image, the biggest thing pissed me off when bush was in office was alienate all the nations that were on our side after 9/11, he could have had it all yet he just had to go fuck it up. But to treat these shit heads like chavez, ortega, or Ahmadinejad like they deserve any respect is a big miss for me.

[HBox]

Maybe this was why the country went to shit for 8 years. We were ruled by people following an ideology that was obsessed with these meaningless formalities and not on actual governance.

"Let's make a list of which world leaders we make eye contact with."

"What about these wars?"

"Please. We are concerned with IMPORTANT MATTERS."

[TheMojoPin]

Im sorry I just cant get past the fact he stole that oil and all the machinery and infrastructure from the companies who invested down there, fuck Im sure people would love me too if I could get away with stealing billions of dollars then just giving it back to the people.

The problem is, the oil down there is hard to reach and he is eventually going to need them back, but treating him as anything less than a dirty criminal is just fucking insane. Just like obama sitting there while ortega went on his rant, at the least he should have walked out, he didnt have to make a spectacle but show some balls and leave.

Im all for changing our nations image, the biggest thing pissed me off when bush was in office was alienate all the nations that were on our side after 9/11, he could have had it all yet he just had to go fuck it up. But to treat these shit heads like chavez, ortega, or Ahmadinejad like they deserve any respect is a big miss for me.

But again, they're the guys we have to deal with. As frustating as they are, ignoring them accomplishes even less.

[Gvac]

Are we still debating this?

I think Obama just surpassed James Buchanan and Jimmy Carter!

[Syd]

Im sorry I just cant get past the fact he stole that oil and all the machinery and infrastructure from the companies who invested down there, fuck Im sure people would love me too if I could get away with stealing billions of dollars then just giving it back to the people.

The problem is, the oil down there is hard to reach and he is eventually going to need them back, but treating him as anything less than a dirty criminal is just fucking insane. Just like obama sitting there while ortega went on his rant, at the least he should have walked out, he didnt have to make a spectacle but show some balls and leave.

Im all for changing our nations image, the biggest thing pissed me off when bush was in office was alienate all the nations that were on our side after 9/11, he could have had it all yet he just had to go fuck it up. But to treat these shit heads like chavez, ortega, or Ahmadinejad like they deserve any respect is a big miss for me.


the oil companies came in and raped the continent, all under the blessing of the cia with their coups and puppet dictators

chavez isn't a bad guy at all, especially when you consider the track record of western-installed leaders in south america like pinochet and castillo

the entire continent was the fortified, enriched and pasteurized nigger of the world for the longest time and now that one of the natives have grown restless it's time to demonize chavez because he's nationalizing industries instead of committing mass murder like a good puppet of the west

[HBox]

Chavez is not nearly as bad as some make him out to be and we have nothing to be proud of with our treatment of South America but Chavez is not a "good" guy at all.

[underdog]

No joke. Close the tax loopholes and keep progressive tax rates.

Flat taxers make no sense when you factor in Rate of Return on tax dollars.

I agree with closing tax loopholes. That would be a great start.

A federal sales tax is incredibly regressive. You do that and the poorest will be paying the highest percentage of their income in taxes.

How so?

[underdog]

Ding.

Flat taxers are almost childish in their view of the world.

Childish?

How about instead of being insulting you actually present an opposing point of view with facts. That would be great.

[Dude!]

yeah the flat tax makes total sense
people with huge incomes
would actually pay alot more

i don't understand the opposition to it
unless you are a real estate agent
or represent one of the thousands of other
'deduction lobbies'

[HBox]

yeah the flat tax makes total sense
people with huge incomes
would actually pay alot more

i don't understand the opposition to it
unless you are a real estate agent
or represent one of the thousands of other
'deduction lobbies'

Yeah, that's why rich people love it so much. Because they'd get to pay the government even more! They love social programs. They just want to find a way to give more! Just ask Anthony Cumia.

[Dude!]

Yeah, that's why rich people love it so much. Because they'd get to pay the government even more! They love social programs. They just want to find a way to give more! Just ask Anthony Cumia.

they they they

you certainly paint with a broad brush

bill gates
warren buffet
etc etc etc

rich people give away loads of money

[HBox]

they they they

you certainly paint with a broad brush

bill gates
warren buffet
etc etc etc

rich people give away loads of money

Of course they do. And they want to give so much more to government on top of that, right?

[Dude!]

Of course they do. And they want to give so much more to government on top of that, right?

i don't know enough rich people
to say with certainty what they like
and don't like

if i had billions, millions, or even thousands
i would rather choose who to give it to myself

but the fact is
we have to have taxes
and if we have to have them
a flat tax would be a pretty good
place to start

[beachbum]

The current tax code is a joke.I pay a smaller percentage now by far than I did when I made very little money.The more you make the more you can hide and shelter.Just ask my CPA and tax attorney.

[Syd]

i don't know enough rich people
to say with certainty what they like
and don't like

if i had billions, millions, or even thousands
i would rather choose who to give it to myself

but the fact is
we have to have taxes
and if we have to have them
a flat tax would be a pretty good
place to start

flat taxes are horribly regressive and result in the poorest people paying a larger fraction of their income to taxes

do you really want to push half the country closer into poverty so that people who abhor you will pay less in taxes?

[underdog]

flat taxes are horribly regressive and result in the poorest people paying a larger fraction of their income to taxes

do you really want to push half the country closer into poverty so that people who abhor you will pay less in taxes?

Can someone please explain this? It's been said a few times in this thread and I really don't understand it.

And if flat taxes are regressive, does that mean progressive taxing is flat?

[Dude!]

flat taxes are horribly regressive and result in the poorest people paying a larger fraction of their income to taxes

wow, that gets the prize

by definition, under a flat tax
everyone pays exactly the SAME fraction of their income

[HBox]

Can someone please explain this? It's been said a few times in this thread and I really don't understand it.

And if flat taxes are regressive, does that mean progressive taxing is flat?

By regressive we mean the tax impacts poorer people more than richer people. And a federal sales tax is regressive because the poorest in this country use close to 100% of their income to buy things. So nearly 100% of their income would be subject to whatever rate the sales tax is on top of the flat income tax.

Mean while the richest in this country do not spend even a majority of their income in a single year. If you are very rich it's probably not close. So whatever you don't spen is only subject to the income tax and not the sales tax. Which means that, as a percentage of their income, a poor person would pay more than a very wealthy person.

And a flat tax in and of itself is neither progressive nor regressive.

[Syd]

wow, that gets the prize

by definition, under a flat tax
everyone pays exactly the SAME fraction of their income

however now think outside of the box where fraction of the income means what they have left to spend for housing and food: when you're paying 10% of your income towards taxes and you're making the median average for the nation which is around $30k, you have significantly less money to spend towards basic needs whereas people making $300k have already well eclipsed the poverty level and have plenty of money leftover towards basic needs

[underdog]

By regressive we mean the tax impacts poorer people more than richer people. And a federal sales tax is regressive because the poorest in this country use close to 100% of their income to buy things. So nearly 100% of their income would be subject to whatever rate the sales tax is on top of the flat income tax.

Mean while the richest in this country do not spend even a majority of their income in a single year. If you are very rich it's probably not close. So whatever you don't spen is only subject to the income tax and not the sales tax. Which means that, as a percentage of their income, a poor person would pay more than a very wealthy person.

That makes sense. But don't most states already have a sales tax? So the poor are already being fucked, according to your scenario. And rich people get to buy ridiculous things, pay the state tax, but call it some sort of business expense and deduct it from their overall income, and the federal government doesn't get a cent of it.

Rich people buy ridiculous things worth ridiculous amounts of money. 5% of all that would be a lot of money.

And I would say that poorer people still end up paying a higher percentage of their income in taxes. Rich people can afford accountants and tax attorneys to make 50% (or more) of their income disappear.

[HBox]

That makes sense. But don't most states already have a sales tax? So the poor are already being fucked, according to your scenario. And rich people get to buy ridiculous things, pay the state tax, but call it some sort of business expense and deduct it from their overall income, and the federal government doesn't get a cent of it.

Rich people buy ridiculous things worth ridiculous amounts of money. 5% of all that would be a lot of money.

And I would say that poorer people still end up paying a higher percentage of their income in taxes. Rich people can afford accountants and tax attorneys to make 50% (or more) of their income disappear.

The problem with the federal sales tax is it would need to compensate for a hell of a lot of lost revenue for the huge income tax cut most rich people would receive. Remember just how much federal funding comes from the very richest. Those are the people who would get the biggest tax cuts.

But to combat what I mentioned earlier about the poorest being hit hardest they would add a whole bunch of exceptions just as most states do. Food and clothing would be the most likely. Medication might also be exempted. And some other essential things I'm not remembering. Sounds good? not really. When you limit the scope to these huge areas you are also cutting the revenue. It's debatable whether the sales tax could make up for the revenue difference with all these exemptions.

And there are other issues. You are going have to tax home sales. Want to add another 5-10% to your home purchase? Nobody does. But taxing home sales would be essential if you are targeting the purchases of the rich. So you've put home ownership a little father out of reach. Whether you think that is a good idea or not doesn't matter. It's pretty much a non-starter for the public at large. And there is a similar issue with car sales.

I'm actually not opposed to a federal sales tax if in the right situation, such as to fund universal health care in whatever form. Everyone pays because everyone is benefiting. That seems fair to me. But in the context of supplementing revenue from the losses of a flat tax it seems unworkable. And in virtually any form still shifts the tax burden from the rich to everyone else.

[underdog]

The problem with the federal sales tax is it would need to compensate for a hell of a lot of lost revenue for the huge income tax cut most rich people would receive. Remember just how much federal funding comes from the very richest. Those are the people who would get the biggest tax cuts.

But to combat what I mentioned earlier about the poorest being hit hardest they would add a whole bunch of exceptions just as most states do. Food and clothing would be the most likely. Medication might also be exempted. And some other essential things I'm not remembering. Sounds good? not really. When you limit the scope to these huge areas you are also cutting the revenue. It's debatable whether the sales tax could make up for the revenue difference with all these exemptions.

And there are other issues. You are going have to tax home sales. Want to add another 5-10% to your home purchase? Nobody does. But taxing home sales would be essential if you are targeting the purchases of the rich. So you've put home ownership a little father out of reach. Whether you think that is a good idea or not doesn't matter. It's pretty much a non-starter for the public at large. And there is a similar issue with car sales.

I'm actually not opposed to a federal sales tax if in the right situation, such as to fund universal health care in whatever form. Everyone pays because everyone is benefiting. That seems fair to me. But in the context of supplementing revenue from the losses of a flat tax it seems unworkable. And in virtually any form still shifts the tax burden from the rich to everyone else.

I enjoy talking with you because you sometimes actually change my mind. And your thoughts seem like your own, and not out of some liberal playbook. So thanks.

[SP1!]

Maybe this was why the country went to shit for 8 years. We were ruled by people following an ideology that was obsessed with these meaningless formalities and not on actual governance.

"Let's make a list of which world leaders we make eye contact with."

"What about these wars?"

"Please. We are concerned with IMPORTANT MATTERS."
No, we shouldnt do business with countries that steal money from corporations who have basically built up their entire infrastructure and turned them into a dictatorship all the while talking about how we are trying to kill him when not one attempt has been made on his life.

But again, they're the guys we have to deal with. As frustating as they are, ignoring them accomplishes even less.
Its not ignoring them, its about not putting up with their bullshit ortega's rant was meant to belittle obama, chavez's little handshake and gift giving was meant to belittle obama, even though I didnt vote for him you do not get punked in front of the cameras like that. They did it for pure exposure to appear more substantial and for photo ops. It should have been allowed to happen, I dont necessarily blame obama for the chavez gift, I blame his people for allowing him to get close enough for that photo, I do blame obama for not getting up and walking out during ortega's bitch.

the oil companies came in and raped the continent, all under the blessing of the cia with their coups and puppet dictators

chavez isn't a bad guy at all, especially when you consider the track record of western-installed leaders in south america like pinochet and castillo

the entire continent was the fortified, enriched and pasteurized nigger of the world for the longest time and now that one of the natives have grown restless it's time to demonize chavez because he's nationalizing industries instead of committing mass murder like a good puppet of the west
Yes, we are to blame for all their fucking problems, fuck if it wasnt for the american and british governements in there right now it just would have been some other country in there raping them so dont act like its all just our fault. Look at the big picture, they are wanting to be the victims now and need a bogey man, its bullshit.

Chavez is not nearly as bad as some make him out to be and we have nothing to be proud of with our treatment of South America but Chavez is not a "good" guy at all.
I dont think chavez is as bad but hes full of shit, its easy just to impose rules you know the oil companies wont follow, force them out, get dirt cheap companies to run them and make a shit load of profit doing nothing, then look like a fucking hero giving all that free money back to the people. Maybe not entirely bad but hes no fucking saint either.

Yeah, that's why rich people love it so much. Because they'd get to pay the government even more! They love social programs. They just want to find a way to give more! Just ask Anthony Cumia.
There are rules in place for spending in linders plan, its really interesting and is basically a consumption tax, nothing will happen however until the whole system collapses, they need to fix it but they wont until its too late, kinda like how they ignored the loan issues until it was too fucking late.

[The Jays]

Photo ops, handshakes, books, or speechs do not legitimize a leader.

[A.J.]

Photo ops, handshakes, books, or speechs do not legitimize a leader.

Definitely not.

http://www.watchmojo.com/blogs/images/jfkclinton.jpg

[Zorro]

Photo ops, handshakes, books, or speechs do not legitimize a leader.

Sure they do. If the only information you allow your people to see is what you want. Then that picture of you with the President of the united States must mean you're on the same side. Because if you were really a bad guy the President would never shake your hand...would he?

[foodcourtdruide]

Sure they do. If the only information you allow your people to see is what you want. Then that picture of you with the President of the united States must mean you're on the same side. Because if you were really a bad guy the President would never shake your hand...would he?

I think only a child would think like this.

[Crispy123]

ortega's rant was meant to belittle obama, chavez's little handshake and gift giving was meant to belittle obama, even though I didnt vote for him you do not get punked in front of the cameras like that. They did it for pure exposure to appear more substantial and for photo ops. It should have been allowed to happen, I dont necessarily blame obama for the chavez gift, I blame his people for allowing him to get close enough for that photo, I do blame obama for not getting up and walking out during ortega's bitch.

(It would be so much easier for Obama if he had a mind reader like you in his cabinet. I'm sure Obama could also take some of your lessons on international politics because, like, your so much better at it than him).


I dont think chavez is as bad but hes full of shit, its easy just to impose rules you know the oil companies wont follow, force them out, get dirt cheap companies to run them and make a shit load of profit doing nothing, then look like a fucking hero giving all that free money back to the people. Maybe not entirely bad but hes no fucking saint either.

(Man, if only the Venezualan people who elected this guy were as smart as you.)

[Serpico1103]

Taxes are used to control behavior. We encourage children, tax break, we encourage homeownership, tax break, we encourage long term investing, tax break.
I think necessities and non-luxury items should be taxed less, while luxury items are taxed more. Healthy food you need to survive, taxed less, ring dings, taxed more.
Entry level cars, taxed less, luxury sedans, taxed more.
Small houses, taxed less, larger homes, taxed more.
Alcohol, tax. Cigarette, tax. Add in the burden that alcoholic, obese, tobacco addicts place on our health insurance. Maybe we should tax people based on fat percentage. Well, not yet.

[TooLowBrow]

Taxes are used to control behavior. We encourage children, tax break, we encourage homeownership, tax break, we encourage long term investing, tax break.
I think necessities and non-luxury items should be taxed less, while luxury items are taxed more. Healthy food you need to survive, taxed less, ring dings, taxed more.
Entry level cars, taxed less, luxury sedans, taxed more.
Small houses, taxed less, larger homes, taxed more.
Alcohol, tax. Cigarette, tax. Add in the burden that alcoholic, obese, tobacco addicts place on our health insurance. Maybe we should tax people based on fat percentage. Well, not yet.

dont they give you a huge tax rebate if you buy an suv and no rebate if you buy hybrid?

[The Jays]

No, I think it's the opposite.

[Jujubees2]

dont they give you a huge tax rebate if you buy an suv and no rebate if you buy hybrid?

No, I think it's the opposite.

Yeah, but the Bush administration limited the rebate to the first so many (I forget the number) sold each year.

[The Jays]

They are doing tax rebates for clean diesels which should be ending soon.

[beachbum]

Part of the Obama stimulus plan will allow you to deduct the interest if you purchase a new car this year.Hello Toyota Tacoma.

[epo]

That sombitch played golf this morning.

Elitist prick.

[scottinnj]

dont they give you a huge tax rebate if you buy an suv and no rebate if you buy hybrid?

It wasn't a tax break geared towards SUVs, it was a tax rebate geared towards heavy trucks and machinery, e.g. farm equipment. However, the Hummer is such a heavy truck, legally it fell into that category, and that is the major reason you saw so many sold over the 8 years.
The rebate has expired for that though.

[TooLowBrow]

It wasn't a tax break geared towards SUVs, it was a tax rebate geared towards heavy trucks and machinery, e.g. farm equipment. However, the Hummer is such a heavy truck, legally it fell into that category, and that is the major reason you saw so many sold over the 8 years.
The rebate has expired for that though.

all those hummers eating up all that gas mustve helped to lower gas prices

[King Imp]

He's getting ready to launch his holy war and wants to see if we are paying attention. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/27/low.flying.plane/index.html) (Yes, that was said in jest)

[HBox]

He's getting ready to launch his holy war and wants to see if we are paying attention. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/27/low.flying.plane/index.html) (Yes, that was said in jest)

"I was here on 9/11," said iReporter Tom Kruk, who spotted the plane as he was getting coffee Monday morning and snapped a photo. Kruk called the sight of the aircraft low in the sky "unsettling."

Translation: I was somewhere in the general Northeastern region at a date somewhat close to 9/11.

Linda Garcia-Rose, a social worker who counsels post-traumatic stress disorder patients in an office just three blocks from where the World Trade Center towers once stood, called the flight an "absolute travesty."

"There was no warning. It looked like the plane was about to come into us," she said. "I'm a therapist, and I actually had a panic attack."

Fez's therapist!

[Gvac]

100 days are up, fucko.

The kid gloves are off.

[lleeder]

100 days are up, fucko.

The kid gloves are off.

Whats a kid glove anyway?

[TheMojoPin]

Whats a kid glove anyway?

A Gvac handshake.

[west milly Tom]

So any good news after 100 except that George Bush can't fuck things up anymore?

[underdog]

So any good news after 100 except that George Bush can't fuck things up anymore?

We can fly planes over Manhattan again.

[Gvac]

So far he's single handedly destroyed the American Auto industry.

I wonder what's next on his Socialist agenda?

[Serpico1103]

So far he's single handedly destroyed the American Auto industry.

I wonder what's next on his Socialist agenda?

He is joining forces with Mikeyboy to take over the internet and turn the rest of world into sheep like ronfez.netters.

[The Jays]

So far he's single handedly destroyed the American Auto industry.

I wonder what's next on his Socialist agenda?

I think the auto industry did just fine destroying themselves before the government got involved.

[epo]

He is joining forces with Mikeyboy to take over the internet and turn the rest of world into sheep like ronfez.netters.

Thank God. This place needs a bailout to pick up the speed of the site.

[Gvac]

He is joining forces with Mikeyboy to take over the internet and turn the rest of world into sheep like ronfez.netters.

Sounds plausible.

[HBox]

I still haven't been told where I can get some damn Tang around here.























































SHUT UP!

[A.J.]

We can fly planes over Manhattan again.

Just make sure it's not Air Force One. It'll scare people.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20090428/0013729e47710b60aaa701.jpg

[Knowledged_one]

So far he's single handedly destroyed the American Auto industry.

I wonder what's next on his Socialist agenda?

the military thats why he is cutting the f22 program

[TheMojoPin]

the military thats why he is cutting the f22 program

The bottom line is that if people are genuinely serious about the government having any hope of ever getting out of debt then serious cuts need to be made once more in areas like the defense budget. That's one of the main reasons we managed to have a surplus in the 90's. There's no way around it.

[HBox]

The bottom line is that if people are genuinely serious about the government having any hope of ever getting out of debt then serious cuts need to be made once more in areas like the defense budget. That's one of the main reasons we managed to have a surplus in the 90's. There's no way around it.

But....... LASER PLANES!

[Knowledged_one]

The bottom line is that if people are genuinely serious about the government having any hope of ever getting out of debt then serious cuts need to be made once more in areas like the defense budget. That's one of the main reasons we managed to have a surplus in the 90's. There's no way around it.

except the f22 was the likely succesor for japan which would have brung in money in sales instead japan will likely buy from europe. Not to mention the f22 was a next gen plane so that money has now been wasted and us pilots are flying older less powerful less stealth equipped a/c which puts american lives in more danger i believe he is also cutting the a-10 as well.

not to mention the new jobs that wont happen in light of these cuts as the f22 is a lockheed program same as the soon to be tested jsf so now lm will shift those people to jsf. As a matter of fact they have removed 80% of the jobs for the jsf that they were to fill by aug this year - i would say that flies in the face of his whole create job thing

[TheMojoPin]

except the f22 was the likely succesor for japan which would have brung in money in sales instead japan will likely buy from europe. Not to mention the f22 was a next gen plane so that money has now been wasted and us pilots are flying older less powerful less stealth equipped a/c which puts american lives in more danger i believe he is also cutting the a-10 as well.

not to mention the new jobs that wont happen in light of these cuts as the f22 is a lockheed program same as the soon to be tested jsf so now lm will shift those people to jsf. As a matter of fact they have removed 80% of the jobs for the jsf that they were to fill by aug this year - i would say that flies in the face of his whole create job thing

Cutting government spending involves cutting jobs. There's also no way around that, too. The trick is to balance it to create jobs elsewhere to cushion the blow.

Like I said, if anyone truly expects the government to have a chance of getting out of debt, significant defense cuts have to be made.

[Knowledged_one]

Cutting government spending involves cutting jobs. There's also no way around that, too. The trick is to balance it to create jobs elsewhere to cushion the blow.

Like I said, if anyone truly expects the government to have a chance of getting out of debt, significant defense cuts have to be made.

or cuts to worthless social programs that dont work and suck money for nothing

[epo]

or cuts to worthless social programs that dont work and suck money for nothing

Name this nameless, faceless social program.

[Knowledged_one]

Name this nameless, faceless social program.

seriously you are a socialist little faggot and i could care less about what you have to say we all know your little hate republican song and dance and want to throw money at horrible socialist programs.

you might as well put me on ignore because i do not care what you have to say any longer

[TheMojoPin]

or cuts to worthless social programs that dont work and suck money for nothing

None of which even sniff defense costs even if you cut them all.

[TheMojoPin]

seriously you are a socialist little faggot and i could care less about what you have to say we all know your little hate republican song and dance and want to throw money at horrible socialist programs.

you might as well put me on ignore because i do not care what you have to say any longer

If you can't respond to a counterpoint or a debate challenge without turning to this, maybe you should stay out of the political forum.

[KatPw]

Holy nastiness Batman. :thumbdown:

[epo]

seriously you are a socialist little faggot and i could care less about what you have to say we all know your little hate republican song and dance and want to throw money at horrible socialist programs.

you might as well put me on ignore because i do not care what you have to say any longer

Seriously? A challenge to make you back your words and you refuse. This is my fault that all you have is shit like "faggot" and "socialist"?

Grow the fuck up.

[underdog]

seriously you are a socialist little faggot and i could care less about what you have to say we all know your little hate republican song and dance and want to throw money at horrible socialist programs.

you might as well put me on ignore because i do not care what you have to say any longer

Good one.

[HBox]

you might as well put me on ignore because i do not care what you have to say any longer

You really have a grasp on how the ignore function works.

[Crispy123]

seriously you are a socialist little faggot and i could care less about what you have to say we all know your little hate republican song and dance and want to throw money at horrible socialist programs.


The military would be considered a socialist program since its operated & run by the federal government. If Obama is cutting spending that would be the opposite of a socialist agenda.

[foodcourtdruide]

The military would be considered a socialist program since its operated & run by the federal government. If Obama is cutting spending that would be the opposite of a socialist agenda.

This is why I think words like socialist are just used to describe things people don't like. One day in the not to distant future a movie reviewer will use government ideologies to rate films.

[The Jays]

You know what else would be classified as socialist programs?

Police.

Fire Departments.

EMS.

Sanitation.

The Department of Transportation.

The Coast Guard.

Any others?

[PapaBear]

You know what else would be classified as socialist programs?

Police.

Fire Departments.

EMS.

Sanitation.

The Department of Transportation.

The Coast Guard.

Any others?
Absolutely everything that's paid for by the Government. Including roads and education.

[weekapaugjz]

You know what else would be classified as socialist programs?

Police.

Fire Departments.

EMS.

Sanitation.

The Department of Transportation.

The Coast Guard.

Any others?

You god damned socialist!

Is your corpse currently rotting in the kremlin?

[The Jays]

Yeah. It's like, ok, we'll let the government take our garbage away, we'll let them put out the fires, we'll even let them solve and prevent crime, but helping to get sick people have affordable treatment options, that's fucking third world craziness man, I mean, we might as well start setting up gulags.

[underdog]

You know what else would be classified as socialist programs?

Police.

Fire Departments.

EMS.

Sanitation.

The Department of Transportation.

The Coast Guard.

Any others?

He's never going to see any of this. The thread must have put him on ignore and he can't see it.

[The Jays]

Oh yeah, without socialism, we would never have built highways or been to outer space.

[beachbum]

Well he's really done it this time.He just gave a speechsaying that he is going to close the tax loopholes that allow U.S. companies to headquarter off shore or export American jobs over seas and avoid paying taxes.What a prick huh?

[Jujubees2]

Well he's really done it this time.He just gave a speechsaying that he is going to close the tax loopholes that allow U.S. companies to headquarter off shore or export American jobs over seas and avoid paying taxes.What a prick huh?

That SOB. I should have never voted for him! How dare he close those tax loopholes for big businesses. Who does he think he is? A presidenty for the people?

[IMSlacker]

Oh yeah, without socialism, we would never have built highways or been to outer space.

And now, our interstate system is being used to spread the swine flu. Thanks a lot, socialism!

[beachbum]

That SOB. I should have never voted for him! How dare he close those tax loopholes for big businesses. Who does he think he is? A presidenty for the people?

Seriously!What kind of socialist is he anyway?Giving tax breaks to the middle class while forcing big buisness to pay their fair share.

[HBox]

Well he's really done it this time.He just gave a speechsaying that he is going to close the tax loopholes that allow U.S. companies to headquarter off shore or export American jobs over seas and avoid paying taxes.What a prick huh?

What do you expect from a socialist little faggot?

[The Jays]

I heard his speech on CNBC, and afterward, Larry Kudlow and the rest of his brood started bitching that this was a poor move and that America ought to be the tax haven by eliminating all these taxes.

Yeah, Larry, that would be nice, unfortunately, we started wars which have not garned any return investment and put us in the red.

[Syd]

What a moron. Corporations are just going to have to deal with it because all around the world every government is stopping the free for all that corporations are having with regards to taxes. All of them need money so there's nowhere to escape to.

[Gvac]

Remember how great the United States of America was?

Those were the days!

Way to go, Obama.

Hope you're proud of yourself.

[foodcourtdruide]

Remember how great the United States of America was?

Those were the days!

Way to go, Obama.

Hope you're proud of yourself.

I am proud of myself, ty.

[The Jays]

Remember how great the United States of America was?

Those were the days!

Way to go, Obama.

Hope you're proud of yourself.

How terrible is the United States now? I don't get it. If you're talking the recession, that's been going on since the Bush Administration. If you're talking about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's been going on since the Bush Administration. If you're talking about huge deficits, that's been going on since the Bush Administration. If you're talking about terrorists wanting to kill us, well, that's been going on since, well, forever. If you're talking about the rest of the world hating us, including our allies like France and Britain, that's been going on since the Bush Administration.

So, basically, all the greatness that has faded from America, is really inherited, and everyone seems to blame Obama because he's trying to actually fix our country, instead of distracting us with terror and fear, because that worked out great these last 8 years. Oh, and the stock market has been sorta reversing itself lately, but yeah, Obama is doing such a shitty job isn't he? I mean, actually making an attempt at reversing the bad course we were on? That's like anti-thetical to the Republican way!

[beachbum]

How terrible is the United States now? I don't get it. If you're talking the recession, that's been going on since the Bush Administration. If you're talking about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's been going on since the Bush Administration. If you're talking about huge deficits, that's been going on since the Bush Administration. If you're talking about terrorists wanting to kill us, well, that's been going on since, well, forever. If you're talking about the rest of the world hating us, including our allies like France and Britain, that's been going on since the Bush Administration.

So, basically, all the greatness that has faded from America, is really inherited, and everyone seems to blame Obama because he's trying to actually fix our country, instead of distracting us with terror and fear, because that worked out great these last 8 years. Oh, and the stock market has been sorta reversing itself lately, but yeah, Obama is doing such a shitty job isn't he? I mean, actually making an attempt at reversing the bad course we were on? That's like anti-thetical to the Republican way!

Please read the following.

sar⋅casm   /ˈsɑrkæzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sahr-kaz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun 1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.

[The Jays]

His post is sarcastically deriding the work that Obama has done for the past 105 days, and that bothers me. I can see it does not bother you, because instead of offering to debate it, you've copied and pasted the definition of sarcasm, which is very thoughtful of you, because I was just thinking to myself, 'hey, that's sarcasm. Dammit it to hell, I wish I knew what the definition was though!', because, you know, I can't access dictionary sites from my end of the internet.

[The Jays]

Today I actually heard, that, because the administration wants to crack down on off shore tax havens, that this crackdown might be bad for business because, during recessions, companies will be forced to keep jobs in the United States instead of shipping them overseas.

OMG, that's soooo awful.

[Gvac]

Today I actually heard, that, because the administration wants to crack down on off shore tax havens, that this crackdown might be bad for business because, during recessions, companies will be forced to keep jobs in the United States instead of shipping them overseas.

OMG, that's soooo awful.

Right?

Glad you're starting to understand!

This guy's tearing the country apart one piece at a time.

Maybe Presidents should have 2 year term limits.

At least we'd have an outside chance of having the country still standing when he's done with us.

[The Jays]

I see right through you now, Gvac. I got the definition of sarcasm!

[ToiletCrusher]

Right?

Glad you're starting to understand!

This guy's tearing the country apart one piece at a time.

Maybe Presidents should have 2 year term limits.

At least we'd have an outside chance of having the country still standing when he's done with us.

What is two years ever going to accomplish?

It can take up to 10 years for us to see a return on an administration's policies.

For example, those pesky republicans wanted to do some off shore drilling for oil, something that would not see a reduction in oil prices for something like 20 years when you take into account the amount of time to harvest, refine, distribute.

But, yes - Obama might be tearing the country apart unintentionally.


Edit: knowing the cut of your jib, I really only wanted to make a point. Should you decide to debate this, recognize that I immediately concede.

[Serpico1103]

Wait! Obama is President? But he is half.....

We are screwed.

[The Jays]

That's right, he's half Hawaiian, dirty 50th state mother fuckers.

[Gvac]

http://www.zaneperry.com/images/weblog/ObamaHate.jpg

It wouldn't be on the internet if it wasn't true.

[ToiletCrusher]

http://www.zaneperry.com/images/weblog/ObamaHate.jpg

It wouldn't be on the internet if it wasn't true.

I like the part where they made the joke. I get jokes.

[The Jays]

Holy shit, they're both towel heads, omg, now I wished I had changed my vote, he's going to fly AF1 into the WH.

[beachbum]

Settle down Chicken Little.

[Gvac]

More proof -

http://www.websophist.com/Obama_SignsDestroyingAmericaM.jpg

[Gvac]

I hear he destroyed Blockbuster.

Now where am I supposed to get movies?

[epo]

I hear he destroyed Blockbuster.

Now where am I supposed to get movies?

I've written a strongly worded letter requesting that your movie watching rights be indefinitely suspended.

[A.J.]

Remember how great the United States of America was?

Those were the days!

Way to go, Obama.

Hope you're proud of yourself.

I blame FDR more.

[keithy_19]

I blame FDR more.

But he was a cripple! Let him be!

[Gvac]

http://rlv.zcache.com/socalists_spreading_the_wealth_postcard-p239593014031513931qibm_400.jpg

[TeeBone]

Its too soon to tell if he's the worst, but the overwhelming evidence to support the claim is mounting by the day.

[Serpico1103]

http://rlv.zcache.com/socalists_spreading_the_wealth_postcard-p239593014031513931qibm_400.jpg

Does wealth go better with jelly or jam?
MMMMM, wealth.

[TheMojoPin]

http://rlv.zcache.com/socalists_spreading_the_wealth_postcard-p239593014031513931qibm_400.jpg

I feel like I should turn in my pinko badge for asking this, but who is the dude between Marx and Lenin?

[A.J.]

I feel like I should turn in my pinko badge for asking this, but who is the dude between Marx and Lenin?

Friedrich Engels?

[TheMojoPin]

That makes sense, I suppose.

[~Katja~]

Friedrich Engels?

you are correct
http://images.zeno.org/Philosophie/I/340-500/enge_000.jpg

that reminds me back on the good old days when the school halls were plastered with pictures of all of them

[~Katja~]

http://rlv.zcache.com/socalists_spreading_the_wealth_postcard-p239593014031513931qibm_400.jpg

it's really confusing when you are trying to read it in russian

[TheMojoPin]

Who couldn't love Rainbow Stalin? (http://rainbowstalin4.ytmnd.com/)

[Serpico1103]

Who couldn't love Rainbow Stalin? (http://rainbowstalin4.ytmnd.com/)

I love regular Stalin.

[TheMojoPin]

I love regular Stalin.

Check out how hot young Stalin was:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/Stalin_1902.jpg

What a hipster douchebag!

[brettmojo]

Too... Much... Sarcastic statements... Can't... Tell... What's... Legit bitching...

[A.J.]

that reminds me back on the good old days when the school halls were plastered with pictures of all of them

I would love to hear stories of life in East Germany. Did your family have a Trabant?

[~Katja~]

I would love to hear stories of life in East Germany. Did your family have a Trabant?

my dad smashed one... but since he was with the Stasi he got a replacement faster.
you had to wait 14 years for a new one otherwise. Most people would put their kids on the waiting list when they were 4... so they would be eligible to get one when 18

[A.J.]

my dad smashed one... but since he was with the Stasi he got a replacement faster.
you had to wait 14 years for a new one otherwise. Most people would put their kids on the waiting list when they were 4... so they would be eligible to get one when 18

Every day I find you more and more interesting.

[~Katja~]

Every day I find you more and more interesting.

ha, I actually have my "Pionier" ID here and meant to scan it... I may just do that today

[The Jays]

Can you tell us how much more horrible Obama is compared to East Germany?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://rlv.zcache.com/socalists_spreading_the_wealth_postcard-p239593014031513931qibm_400.jpg

Notice the beards get smaller until Mao and Obama are clean shaven

[~Katja~]

Can you tell us how much more horrible Obama is compared to East Germany?

quite the opposite

I was forced to being a Pionier

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs033.snc1/4316_1116278117475_1542653461_274956_3900974_n.jpg

this was one of the uniforms
http://damals.dirkswebwelt.de/pioniere/kleidung/kld_tp.jpg

usually to be worn Monday Mornings for "Appell"
or at least once a month to honor Thaelmann and Marx and all of them

[Misteriosa]

that is it that pioners do?

[The Jays]

quite the opposite

I was forced to being a Pionier

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs033.snc1/4316_1116278117475_1542653461_274956_3900974_n.jpg

this was one of the uniforms
http://damals.dirkswebwelt.de/pioniere/kleidung/kld_tp.jpg

usually to be worn Monday Mornings for "Appell"
or at least once a month to honor Thaelmann and Marx and all of them

Yes, but, the Republican party and conservatives all across the country have stated that President Obama is a socialist, and that the Democratic Party wants to make this country into a socialist nation. Now, surely you must see some of that Eastern European socialism in Obama's current ways of running the country.

I mean, Sean Hannity is never wrong, so it must be the truth.

[angrymissy]

He freaking ate a hamburger with DIJON MUSTARD. WHAT A FUCKING ELITIST!

[HBox]

He freaking ate a hamburger with DIJON MUSTARD. WHAT A FUCKING ELITIST!

I bet you when he ordered fries he said "French" fries and not Freedom fries LIKE EVERY OTHER GODDAMN AMERICA-HATING COMMUNIST FAGGOT!

[Gvac]

Let's be honest here - this guy is in over his head. He sucks donkey dick.

Amazing what a cult of personality can do.

[TheMojoPin]

Dijon mustard on a burger is pretty unacceptable.

Hell, ANY mustard on a burger is a terrible decision.

God only knows how he handles the big choices if he can't even keep himself from fucking up a burger.

[Gvac]

Dijon mustard on a burger is retty unacceptable.

Hell, ANY mustard on a burger is a terrible decision.

God only knows how he handles the big choices if he can't even keep himself from fucking up a burger.

I knew you'd come around.

We've elected a madman.

[Furtherman]

Guys.... GUYS!!!!

Didn't you hear?

After he and Biden left that burger joint....

IT BURST INTO FLAMES!




True story.

[keithy_19]

Dijon mustard on a burger is pretty unacceptable.

Hell, ANY mustard on a burger is a terrible decision.

God only knows how he handles the big choices if he can't even keep himself from fucking up a burger.

I laughed loudly at this. Thank you, sir.

[The Jays]

Anyone who uses Dijon mustard for anything is just another socialist little faggot, in my book. They might as well take that mustard and lube up everyone's cocks with it so that we can all equally share in the fucking of the United States' ass.

[A.J.]

Guys.... GUYS!!!!

Didn't you hear?

After he and Biden left that burger joint....

IT BURST INTO FLAMES!




True story.

If anything bad ever happened to Ray's Hell Burger, I'd slit my wrists.

[high fly]

quite the opposite

I was forced to being a Pionier

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs033.snc1/4316_1116278117475_1542653461_274956_3900974_n.jpg

this was one of the uniforms
http://damals.dirkswebwelt.de/pioniere/kleidung/kld_tp.jpg

usually to be worn Monday Mornings for "Appell"
or at least once a month to honor Thaelmann and Marx and all of them




Ok, now I am intrigued.
Katja, seeing that ID card and Pioneer uniform - - - I gotta ask something.
When you would march, on May Day, for example, did The Young Pioneers have one of those fancy ways of marching?
Sometimes we see this or that military march and there are always units of troops doing something like the classic goose-step, or moving slowly but almost running in place, and still others may wave one or both arms in dramatic motions.

American troops just walk on by with nothing more stylish than “eyes right.”





(Of course Obama will change all that and see to it they mince and sashay...)

[high fly]

Guys.... GUYS!!!!

Didn't you hear?

After he and Biden left that burger joint....

IT BURST INTO FLAMES!




True story.


........... then the local volunteer fire department showed up and failed to douse the flames because they were all Democrats and believed throwing money at it would be the way to go......

[SonOfSmeagol]

US to borrow 46 cents for every dollar spent:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090512/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_budget

“Annual deficits would never dip below $500 billion and would total $7.1 trillion over 2010-2019”.

(That’s $500,000,000,000 and $7,100,000,000,000 for you short bus superheroes.)

You don’t “inherit” plans like this for 2010-2019. Absolutely do not get this. I’m telling you, he wants it all, fiscally, and it’s just NOT gonna work.

[HBox]

US to borrow 46 cents for every dollar spent:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090512/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_budget

“Annual deficits would never dip below $500 billion and would total $7.1 trillion over 2010-2019”.

(That’s $500,000,000,000 and $7,100,000,000,000 for you short bus superheroes.)

You don’t “inherit” plans like this for 2010-2019. Absolutely do not get this. I’m telling you, he wants it all, fiscally, and it’s just NOT gonna work.


You tell those short bus socialist little faggots!

[SonOfSmeagol]

You tell those short bus socialist little faggots!
I humbly embrace our short bus friends. As to socialists, little people, and those of same-sex orientation, speak to HBox.

[HBox]

I humbly embrace our short bus friends. As to socialists, little people, and those of same-sex orientation, speak to HBox.

Aww, did I hurt your feelings? I wonder how long you before you get banned for all these personal attacks-er, I mean the liberal media conspiracy to silence all America-loving consevatives.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Aww, did I hurt your feelings? I wonder how long you before you get banned for all these personal attacks-er, I mean the liberal media conspiracy to silence all America-loving consevatives.
To be clear, why don't you show me just one personal attack that I have made, EVER?

[HBox]

To be clear, why don't you show me just one personal attack that I have made, EVER?

I humbly embrace our short bus friends. As to socialists, little people, and those of same-sex orientation, speak to HBox.

(That’s $500,000,000,000 and $7,100,000,000,000 for you short bus superheroes.)


And that's just in the last 5 posts in this thread.

[SonOfSmeagol]

To be clear, why don't you show me just one personal attack that I have made, EVER?

I humbly embrace our short bus friends. As to socialists, little people, and those of same-sex orientation, speak to HBox.

(That’s $500,000,000,000 and $7,100,000,000,000 for you short bus superheroes.) ?

And that's just in the last 5 posts in this thread.
Totally not seeing any personal attacks, whatsoever, in any sense of the phrase, not at all, there, in those quotes, at all. Totally NOT. You have got to be kidding. Gotta do better than that.

I mean, after all, YOU, ARE THE ONE WHO SPECIFIED SOCIALISTS, LITTLE PEOPLE, AND "FAGGOTS", ARE YOU NOT, Mr HBox??

Have to add... if "short bus" is the best you can come up with I have to laugh, rather loud.

[HBox]

Totally not seeing any personal attacks, whatsoever, in any sense of the phrase, not at all, there, in those quotes, at all. Totally NOT. You have got to be kidding. Gotta do better than that.

I mean, after all, YOU, ARE THE ONE WHO SPECIFIED SOCIALISTS, LITTLE PEOPLE, AND "FAGGOTS", ARE YOU NOT, Mr HBox??

Have to add... if "short bus" is the best you can come up with I have to laugh, rather loud.

I made the mistake bothering with you in the first place. You are obviously a monumental troll because nobody could actually believe what you just posted. I won't make this mistake again I assure you.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I made the mistake bothering with you in the first place. You are obviously a monumental troll because nobody could actually believe what you just posted. I won't make this mistake again I assure you.

Please don't make the mistake again of accusing me of something that you cannot back up.

[SonOfSmeagol]

FACT CHECK: Obama's job, deficit claims are iffy

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fact_check_obama

“bho turned the page on 100 days in office with an iffy boast about job creation and claims of fiscal prudence that are hard to square with his spending.”

You’ve sent the first two legs of his fiscal plan: Spend and Borrow. Not get ready for more of the “third leg”: Tax.

[Gvac]

What the fuck are we waiting for?

Start the impeachment proceedings already!

And fuck Biden too!

[TheMojoPin]

Now get ready for more of the “third leg”: Tax.


About damn time.

Finally, someone with some fiscal sense.

[epo]

What the fuck are we waiting for?

Start the impeachment proceedings already!

And fuck Biden too!

Jealous of the Trans Am?

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/biden_top.top_story.jpg

[DiabloSammich]

Jealous of the Trans Am?

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/biden_top.top_story.jpg




Great.


I just came all over my keyboard.

Nice work, Wisconsin.

[epo]

Great.


I just came all over my keyboard.

Nice work, Wisconsin.

I can't blame you, that car is in great shape.

[FezsAssistant]

But at least he's very enlightened and progressive and supports gay marriage...
oh wait... forget that... he's just as ignorant as Palin, Bush, Kerry, California and the entire south. Congrats, liberals. Enjoy your 'win'.

[epo]

But at least he's very enlightened and progressive and supports gay marriage...
oh wait... forget that... he's just as ignorant as Palin, Bush, Kerry, California and the entire south. Congrats, liberals. Enjoy your 'win'.

It must hurt a lot to have lost everything politically in the course of 3 years.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Such a spirited group here! The joke is kinda stale, though and, quite lame in the face of reality.

Proposal would require all to have health coverage:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090515/ap_on_go_co/us_health_overhaul

“bho has said the final legislation must rein in costs, guarantee choice of health plans and medical providers, and ensure that all Americans have access to affordable coverage. But he's leaving it to Congress to work out the details.”

Laughable on the face of it, but then consider that that would be N Pelosi and H Reid. How comforting!!

[TheMojoPin]

I'm all for paying more taxes for things like healthcare. I love my country and consider it an honor to invest in her betterment.

What are you, some kind of unamerican traitor who hates their country?

Holy shit, that IS fun.

[beachbum]

I get more laughs from this thread than any other.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I'm all for paying more taxes for things like healthcare. I love my country and consider it an honor to invest in her betterment.

What are you, some kind of unamerican traitor who hates their country?

Holy shit, that IS fun.
Well, good for you for wrapping yourself in the flag and proclaiming "Tax Me Now", while simultaneously insulting me! Well done! Feel good? Taxes are the answer you say? Please, please feel free (if it feels good, do it!) to send all the extra you care to sent to your regional IRS Service Center:

http://www.irs.gov/localcontacts/index.html

Me? I DO NOT want to be taxed any more since I ALREADY pay (TRAITOROUSLY) AT LEAST 50% of my income in combined taxes to Feds, State, County, Soc Sec/Medi, Sales, Excise, and Property, etc. etc etc.

I say again - quite lame.

[TheMojoPin]

LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT, BROTHER.

THESE colors don't run.

[SonOfSmeagol]

In a word: Weak. How much more lame can this get?

[keithy_19]

LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT, BROTHER.

THESE colors don't run.

Aren't they the same colors on France's flag?

Just saying...

[TheMojoPin]

What are you, some kinda academic elite!??!

[keithy_19]

What are you, some kinda academic elite!??!

:wub: