Obama - Worst President Ever?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Surprised? Come on man, only a fool would be surprised by this as we're going to be on a rollercoaster for a long time. The powers that be will make millions on this volatility, and I'm not convinced this isn't all the desired effect right now. The S & P decision is comical to say the least, looking at it's past and it's role in how we got here, and I'm sure haven't been expecting this for a while.

Im not arguing that at all

Im just saying that the fundamentals arent there. Theres some crazy shit going on when last night around 9pm the Futures were down almost 300 pts. Asian mkts dived btwn 5-7% This morning futures up over 100 theres a strong opening, then it nosedives 300 pts only to finish off 400+ pts.

[Furtherman]

You sound like Boardroom Jimmy.

[TripleSkeet]

You sound like Boardroom Jimmy.

:lol::lol::lol:

[TeeBone]

If anyone who considers themselves rational can argue that this man has done a good job or even hinted at leadership in any capacity, I'd be interested in hearing from them.
Blaming your missteps that have clearly resulted in a downed economy on your predecessor is not the answer. Nor is running a campaign and presidency on the notion of, 'Hope.'
'HOPE,' never has and never will be a strategy for anything.
If you pass health care legislation (without reading it) we cant pay for, bail out banks, bail out auto manufacturers, start an illegal war (Libya), continue 2 wars you once spoke out about, fund ridiculous programs that NEVER run according to plan (example- cash for clunkers), pass a stimulus plan that was a massive bust, Omnibus (porkulos), have yet to pass a budget and spend more than you make and wonder why our credit rating comes into question, all the while offering no plan of your own to solve the matter, I think we all have questions to ask. Seriously, where the hell is this man? He hides and attends fund raisers and plays more golf than any President in history...And this is coming from someone who isn't even a Republican!!!
I'm not the biggest Bush fan in the world but when I used to hear the likes of Blinky Pelosi, Reid and our current President (whom I refer to as, 'He who shall not be named') say things like, "...Failed economic policy," I laughed because there was never any substance behind the accusation. I never once heard any of them list what those failed policies were---never once. All I heard was, "...failed economic policies."
We are on borrowed time as a species if anyone thinks Obama is the answer to the problems in America.
STEP TO THE SIDE, He Who Shall Not Be Named!!!! Your reign of incompetence is over.

Term limits at ever level of government...
Requirements on reading and understanding every piece of legislation that is to be passed...
Requirements of taking part in every aspect of legislation that is passed rather than just requiring the voting base to do so...
Requirements of working with a budget every year...

Those are 4 easy steps to solving this. If I spent more than I make, I would be living under a bridge. If my company operated without a budget, we would not be a company. If I could vote myself a raise and require those that work for me to do things I myself would not be willing to take part in, I would not be the boss. If I blindly signed laws then made statements like,"...we have to read it to find out what's in it..." - I would not be successful. If I waited for handouts, bailouts and someone else to take care of me, I would not be able to look at myself.

[spoon]

those aren't steps at all

[Bob Impact]

If anyone who considers themselves rational can argue that this man has done a good job or even hinted at leadership in any capacity, I'd be interested in hearing from them.
Blaming your missteps that have clearly resulted in a downed economy on your predecessor is not the answer. Nor is running a campaign and presidency on the notion of, 'Hope.'
'HOPE,' never has and never will be a strategy for anything.
If you pass health care legislation (without reading it) we cant pay for, bail out banks, bail out auto manufacturers, start an illegal war (Libya), continue 2 wars you once spoke out about, fund ridiculous programs that NEVER run according to plan (example- cash for clunkers), pass a stimulus plan that was a massive bust, Omnibus (porkulos), have yet to pass a budget and spend more than you make and wonder why our credit rating comes into question, all the while offering no plan of your own to solve the matter, I think we all have questions to ask. Seriously, where the hell is this man? He hides and attends fund raisers and plays more golf than any President in history...And this is coming from someone who isn't even a Republican!!!
I'm not the biggest Bush fan in the world but when I used to hear the likes of Blinky Pelosi, Reid and our current President (whom I refer to as, 'He who shall not be named') say things like, "...Failed economic policy," I laughed because there was never any substance behind the accusation. I never once heard any of them list what those failed policies were---never once. All I heard was, "...failed economic policies."
We are on borrowed time as a species if anyone thinks Obama is the answer to the problems in America.
STEP TO THE SIDE, He Who Shall Not Be Named!!!! Your reign of incompetence is over.

Term limits at ever level of government...
Requirements on reading and understanding every piece of legislation that is to be passed...
Requirements of taking part in every aspect of legislation that is passed rather than just requiring the voting base to do so...
Requirements of working with a budget every year...

Those are 4 easy steps to solving this. If I spent more than I make, I would be living under a bridge. If my company operated without a budget, we would not be a company. If I could vote myself a raise and require those that work for me to do things I myself would not be willing to take part in, I would not be the boss. If I blindly signed laws then made statements like,"...we have to read it to find out what's in it..." - I would not be successful. If I waited for handouts, bailouts and someone else to take care of me, I would not be able to look at myself.
I read through this enjoying most of it, then I saw your sig, then i remembered the cufflinks I wore to my wedding, then I smiled. I'm not trying to really contribute to the thread in any way, just indulging my own personal little happy moment.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tjZ3PEAOXyE/TilUhrYqMjI/AAAAAAAABBw/b0qE8MfXmD8/s720/589J.JPG

[TeeBone]

I read through this enjoying most of it, then I saw your sig, then i remembered the cufflinks I wore to my wedding, then I smiled. I'm not trying to really contribute to the thread in any way, just indulging my own personal little happy moment.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tjZ3PEAOXyE/TilUhrYqMjI/AAAAAAAABBw/b0qE8MfXmD8/s720/589J.JPG

Seldom am I blown away on this board but those cufflinks are awesome.

You rock, Bob!

[brettmojo]

If anyone who considers themselves rational can argue that this man has done a good job or even hinted at leadership in any capacity, I'd be interested in hearing from them.
Blaming your missteps that have clearly resulted in a downed economy on your predecessor is not the answer. Nor is running a campaign and presidency on the notion of, 'Hope.'
'HOPE,' never has and never will be a strategy for anything.
If you pass health care legislation (without reading it) we cant pay for, bail out banks, bail out auto manufacturers, start an illegal war (Libya), continue 2 wars you once spoke out about, fund ridiculous programs that NEVER run according to plan (example- cash for clunkers), pass a stimulus plan that was a massive bust, Omnibus (porkulos), have yet to pass a budget and spend more than you make and wonder why our credit rating comes into question, all the while offering no plan of your own to solve the matter, I think we all have questions to ask. Seriously, where the hell is this man? He hides and attends fund raisers and plays more golf than any President in history...And this is coming from someone who isn't even a Republican!!!
I'm not the biggest Bush fan in the world but when I used to hear the likes of Blinky Pelosi, Reid and our current President (whom I refer to as, 'He who shall not be named') say things like, "...Failed economic policy," I laughed because there was never any substance behind the accusation. I never once heard any of them list what those failed policies were---never once. All I heard was, "...failed economic policies."
We are on borrowed time as a species if anyone thinks Obama is the answer to the problems in America.
STEP TO THE SIDE, He Who Shall Not Be Named!!!! Your reign of incompetence is over.

Term limits at ever level of government...
Requirements on reading and understanding every piece of legislation that is to be passed...
Requirements of taking part in every aspect of legislation that is passed rather than just requiring the voting base to do so...
Requirements of working with a budget every year...

Those are 4 easy steps to solving this. If I spent more than I make, I would be living under a bridge. If my company operated without a budget, we would not be a company. If I could vote myself a raise and require those that work for me to do things I myself would not be willing to take part in, I would not be the boss. If I blindly signed laws then made statements like,"...we have to read it to find out what's in it..." - I would not be successful. If I waited for handouts, bailouts and someone else to take care of me, I would not be able to look at myself.

http://www.prosebeforehos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/obamabinladen.jpg

[spoon]

are those two done blowing each other yet?

oh and he's a verbose character from a Rand novel

too bad she's dead or perhaps you could fuck her like some of her followers

[keithy_19]

are those two done blowing each other yet?

oh and he's a verbose character from a Rand novel

too bad she's dead or perhaps you could fuck her like some of her followers

Fuck her followers like they are dead too?

[spoon]

sure, why not?

I just don't get the appeal I guess, at all. She was an average writer who pretty much started her own cult despite being against religion overall. She was so self-absorbed (I guess part of Objectivism itself), she once called herself the most creative thinker alive. She was full of contradictions on force, wars and reason being very selective in application (see opinion on the Arab-Israeli war).

[TeeBone]

sure, why not?

I just don't get the appeal I guess, at all.

...And why would you? What's in that spoon anyway, the pony or fool-juice?
I know its a big book but you can do it......Just sound it out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You sound like Boardroom Jimmy.

Too much for you to comprehend?

[foodcourtdruide]

If anyone who considers themselves rational can argue that this man has done a good job or even hinted at leadership in any capacity, I'd be interested in hearing from them.
Blaming your missteps that have clearly resulted in a downed economy on your predecessor is not the answer. Nor is running a campaign and presidency on the notion of, 'Hope.'
'HOPE,' never has and never will be a strategy for anything.
If you pass health care legislation (without reading it) we cant pay for, bail out banks, bail out auto manufacturers, start an illegal war (Libya), continue 2 wars you once spoke out about, fund ridiculous programs that NEVER run according to plan (example- cash for clunkers), pass a stimulus plan that was a massive bust, Omnibus (porkulos), have yet to pass a budget and spend more than you make and wonder why our credit rating comes into question, all the while offering no plan of your own to solve the matter, I think we all have questions to ask. Seriously, where the hell is this man? He hides and attends fund raisers and plays more golf than any President in history...And this is coming from someone who isn't even a Republican!!!
I'm not the biggest Bush fan in the world but when I used to hear the likes of Blinky Pelosi, Reid and our current President (whom I refer to as, 'He who shall not be named') say things like, "...Failed economic policy," I laughed because there was never any substance behind the accusation. I never once heard any of them list what those failed policies were---never once. All I heard was, "...failed economic policies."
We are on borrowed time as a species if anyone thinks Obama is the answer to the problems in America.
STEP TO THE SIDE, He Who Shall Not Be Named!!!! Your reign of incompetence is over.

Term limits at ever level of government...
Requirements on reading and understanding every piece of legislation that is to be passed...
Requirements of taking part in every aspect of legislation that is passed rather than just requiring the voting base to do so...
Requirements of working with a budget every year...

Those are 4 easy steps to solving this. If I spent more than I make, I would be living under a bridge. If my company operated without a budget, we would not be a company. If I could vote myself a raise and require those that work for me to do things I myself would not be willing to take part in, I would not be the boss. If I blindly signed laws then made statements like,"...we have to read it to find out what's in it..." - I would not be successful. If I waited for handouts, bailouts and someone else to take care of me, I would not be able to look at myself.

This is kind of strange. You focus on Obama as the problem, but then all of your solutions revolve around changes to congress.

[spoon]

...And why would you? What's in that spoon anyway, the pony or fool-juice?
I know its a big book but you can do it......Just sound it out.

sigh, you sound like a cult member alright

i read it and didn't care for it and especially don't care for her "philosophy"

now flip out bc someone disagrees with you and those who think they validate their approach by linking to a "big book" and self absorbed woman who put herself on a pedestal

thanks for the useless counterpoint teebone

how about you make a point in WHY you love the character, book and or author? did you even read it or any of her work yourself? Oh wait, pony/fool-juice, got it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good luck finding the bottom

yesterdays gains lost and then some


dow tanks 500 +

[Dude!]

Good luck finding the bottom

yesterdays gains lost and then some


dow tanks 500 +

that must really be hurting
the spoiled little rich white
high-income kids like spoon

[Bob Impact]

sigh, you sound like a cult member alright

i read it and didn't care for it and especially don't care for her "philosophy"

now flip out bc someone disagrees with you and those who think they validate their approach by linking to a "big book" and self absorbed woman who put herself on a pedestal

thanks for the useless counterpoint teebone

how about you make a point in WHY you love the character, book and or author? did you even read it or any of her work yourself? Oh wait, pony/fool-juice, got it.

Two posts earlier...
are those two done blowing each other yet?

oh and he's a verbose character from a Rand novel

too bad she's dead or perhaps you could fuck her like some of her followers

What was that about flipping out?

Nobody said you have to like the book or her, and I personally have absolutely no interest in your feelings on it. Let's be clear, you're getting this response because you decided to say TeeBone and I were 'blowing each other' because his sig made me think of a sweet memory in my life and god forbid I felt "Hey, this is a nice thing, I'll post it."

I'll also answer your question: Yes I've read Atlas Shrugged as well as the rest of her work many times. I own (thanks to a very generous wedding gift) a first printing of Atlas Shrugged that is among my most prized possessions. I have the word "ego" tattooed on my chest. I have bought an entire middle school class a copy of Anthem on several occasions. No, I still don't care what you feel about it.

I enjoy her work because I like her writing and her philosophy. I enjoy the Jon Galt character because (to steal a phrase from Rand "He depicts man as he should be"). I do agree with the majority of her philosophy but not all of it. I have never seen anything resembling a cult in those I know who enjoy her work, in fact the philosophy is diametrically opposed to the idea of a cult, anyone who blindly follows what Rand said because she said it completely missed the concept of what they're following.

I do not believe she is perfect in any way shape or form. Yes, I know about the Collective and her personal life, I don't care.

Did I answer all of your questions?

[TeeBone]

those aren't steps at all

You're right----you made a good point and got me big time with this one, Spoon. I believe I made many, many points about what I felt about the thread topic and you chose to strike out with some comment about me blowing some guy. Listen, what we choose to do in the throws of passion about a book and filate one another in the process has nothing to do with a simpleton like you.
Good day to you, sir.

[spoon]

Two posts earlier...


What was that about flipping out?

Nobody said you have to like the book or her, and I personally have absolutely no interest in your feelings on it. Let's be clear, you're getting this response because you decided to say TeeBone and I were 'blowing each other' because his sig made me think of a sweet memory in my life and god forbid I felt "Hey, this is a nice thing, I'll post it."

I'll also answer your question: Yes I've read Atlas Shrugged as well as the rest of her work many times. I own (thanks to a very generous wedding gift) a first printing of Atlas Shrugged that is among my most prized possessions. I have the word "ego" tattooed on my chest. I have bought an entire middle school class a copy of Anthem on several occasions. No, I still don't care what you feel about it.

I enjoy her work because I like her writing and her philosophy. I enjoy the Jon Galt character because (to steal a phrase from Rand "He depicts man as he should be"). I do agree with the majority of her philosophy but not all of it. I have never seen anything resembling a cult in those I know who enjoy her work, in fact the philosophy is diametrically opposed to the idea of a cult, anyone who blindly follows what Rand said because she said it completely missed the concept of what they're following.

I do not believe she is perfect in any way shape or form. Yes, I know about the Collective and her personal life, I don't care.

Did I answer all of your questions?

You did and my ball busting was just that, well not so much for TeeBone. In the least you have to know it's mostly in fun with those I don't have utter disdain for. Hell, one would think those I like the most here are my enemies bc we go back and fro so often. Just go read anything PB, DS, keithy or I talk about!

I've read of your Galt accessories in the c-links thread and other spots where you get into your libertarian leanings. Truthfully I posted my response as I did mainly bc TeeBone's original post "President Duhhhh" being completely out of touch. Tie in his affiliation with their battle cry at times being completely misused, even in the eyes of Rand herself before she died, and the combo just seems ridiculous.

Love the breakdown on you interests and you shouldn't care if I like her works. It's personal preference, one I just believe a certain poster latched on to via another means.

And Dude!, some of us know how to play the market. I guess you're not one of them. I assume you weren't expecting volatility today? Now I'm off to have my good day.

[Judge Smails]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another blow to Obamacare. However this will most likely go to SCOTUS

http://news.yahoo.com/appeals-court-strikes-health-insurance-requirement-173543503.html

[Bob Impact]

You did and my ball busting was just that, well not so much for TeeBone. In the least you have to know it's mostly in fun with those I don't have utter disdain for. Hell, one would think those I like the most here are my enemies bc we go back and fro so often. Just go read anything PB, DS, keithy or I talk about!

I've read of your Galt accessories in the c-links thread and other spots where you get into your libertarian leanings. Truthfully I posted my response as I did mainly bc TeeBone's original post "President Duhhhh" being completely out of touch. Tie in his affiliation with their battle cry at times being completely misused, even in the eyes of Rand herself before she died, and the combo just seems ridiculous.

Love the breakdown on you interests and you shouldn't care if I like her works. It's personal preference, one I just believe a certain poster latched on to via another means.

And Dude!, some of us know how to play the market. I guess you're not one of them. I assume you weren't expecting volatility today? Now I'm off to have my good day.
Aww, I love you Spoon.


To be fair, while I don't think TeeBone fits this description at all, I do think that there are a ton of jackass tea party members who identify as "Objectivists" that have no idea what they're talking about and are using the concept of a selfish life to cover the fact that they are utterly selfless (in Rand speak "a monstrous reversal")... they live with a chronic need to have others THINK that they're greater than they are... never realizing that being truly selfish is more akin to Buddha than it is to to Enron. You're right that Rand contradicted herself on quite a few subjects, particularly near the end of her life, but the definition of selfish, and by extension the basis of her moral premise is crystal clear and very consistent. "I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." doesn't exactly imply "I'm going to do what's best for me and i'll fuck over anyone who gets in my way." I understand those who disagree with the philosophy painting it in the Enron light, but I fail to see how anyone who claims to agree with it painting it that way.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He lied!!!!!


http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/joe-wilson-was-right-obamacare-does-cover-illegal-aliens

[Jujubees2]

He lied!!!!!


http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/joe-wilson-was-right-obamacare-does-cover-illegal-aliens

So you're saying that migrant workers (which I believe you approve of) are the same as illegal aliens?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you're saying that migrant workers (which I believe you approve of) are the same as illegal aliens?

If they migrate illegally then they are illegal aliens

from the article



Andrews continued: “Health centers do not, as a matter of routine practice, ask about or collect data on citizenship or other matters not related to the treatment needs of the patients seeking health services at the center. The Program’s authorizing statute does not affirmatively address immigration status.”

[Jujubees2]

If they migrate illegally then they are illegal aliens

But if they are here as seasonal migrant workers, with papers, and they get hurt or sick, should we tell them "Sorry, you have to go back to Mexico to have that broken arm set."?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But if they are here as seasonal migrant workers, with papers, and they get hurt or sick, should we tell them "Sorry, you have to go back to Mexico to have that broken arm set."?

If they are here legally then thats not an issue

[Jujubees2]

If they are here legally then thats not an issue

What do you mean it's not an issue? I don't think their employers offer them health care.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What do you mean it's not an issue? I don't think their employers offer them health care.

They are here legally

[TripleSkeet]

Why does nobody listen to this man???

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=2

Warren Buffett

OUR leaders have asked for “shared sacrifice.” But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched.

While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as “carried interest,” thereby getting a bargain 15 percent tax rate. Others own stock index futures for 10 minutes and have 60 percent of their gain taxed at 15 percent, as if they’d been long-term investors.

These and other blessings are showered upon us by legislators in Washington who feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species. It’s nice to have friends in high places.

Last year my federal tax bill — the income tax I paid, as well as payroll taxes paid by me and on my behalf — was $6,938,744. That sounds like a lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income — and that’s actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged 36 percent.

If you make money with money, as some of my super-rich friends do, your percentage may be a bit lower than mine. But if you earn money from a job, your percentage will surely exceed mine — most likely by a lot.

To understand why, you need to examine the sources of government revenue. Last year about 80 percent of these revenues came from personal income taxes and payroll taxes. The mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most of their earnings but pay practically nothing in payroll taxes. It’s a different story for the middle class: typically, they fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot.

Back in the 1980s and 1990s, tax rates for the rich were far higher, and my percentage rate was in the middle of the pack. According to a theory I sometimes hear, I should have thrown a fit and refused to invest because of the elevated tax rates on capital gains and dividends.

I didn’t refuse, nor did others. I have worked with investors for 60 years and I have yet to see anyone — not even when capital gains rates were 39.9 percent in 1976-77 — shy away from a sensible investment because of the tax rate on the potential gain. People invest to make money, and potential taxes have never scared them off. And to those who argue that higher rates hurt job creation, I would note that a net of nearly 40 million jobs were added between 1980 and 2000. You know what’s happened since then: lower tax rates and far lower job creation.

Since 1992, the I.R.S. has compiled data from the returns of the 400 Americans reporting the largest income. In 1992, the top 400 had aggregate taxable income of $16.9 billion and paid federal taxes of 29.2 percent on that sum. In 2008, the aggregate income of the highest 400 had soared to $90.9 billion — a staggering $227.4 million on average — but the rate paid had fallen to 21.5 percent.

The taxes I refer to here include only federal income tax, but you can be sure that any payroll tax for the 400 was inconsequential compared to income. In fact, 88 of the 400 in 2008 reported no wages at all, though every one of them reported capital gains. Some of my brethren may shun work but they all like to invest. (I can relate to that.)

I know well many of the mega-rich and, by and large, they are very decent people. They love America and appreciate the opportunity this country has given them. Many have joined the Giving Pledge, promising to give most of their wealth to philanthropy. Most wouldn’t mind being told to pay more in taxes as well, particularly when so many of their fellow citizens are truly suffering.

Twelve members of Congress will soon take on the crucial job of rearranging our country’s finances. They’ve been instructed to devise a plan that reduces the 10-year deficit by at least $1.5 trillion. It’s vital, however, that they achieve far more than that. Americans are rapidly losing faith in the ability of Congress to deal with our country’s fiscal problems. Only action that is immediate, real and very substantial will prevent that doubt from morphing into hopelessness. That feeling can create its own reality.

Job one for the 12 is to pare down some future promises that even a rich America can’t fulfill. Big money must be saved here. The 12 should then turn to the issue of revenues. I would leave rates for 99.7 percent of taxpayers unchanged and continue the current 2-percentage-point reduction in the employee contribution to the payroll tax. This cut helps the poor and the middle class, who need every break they can get.

But for those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains. And for those who make $10 million or more — there were 8,274 in 2009 — I would suggest an additional increase in rate.

My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Way to seal your political fate even more Obama

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2089531,00.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://cagle.com/working/110818/beeler.jpg

[spoon]

Way to seal your political fate even more Obama

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2089531,00.html

How so?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How so?

How can the executive branch just override laws passed by congress? He is giving Amnesty by Fiat.


When most of the country a huge majority is against illegal immigration, his actions by allowing illegals to stay shows that he is just pandering to the hispanic vote.

He just did Another end run around Congress, just like with Libya

[sailor]

haven't you also said your primary goal as far as illegals was to deport criminals?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, but that includes people pulled over for DWI as well. They might not be murderers or rapists but they still need to be deported

[TripleSkeet]

haven't you also said your primary goal as far as illegals was to deport criminals?

He considers them just being here to be criminal.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He considers them just being here to be criminal.

Being an illegal alien is actually a civil offense.

That being said that doesnt mean that they have not committed other crimes such as tax evasion, identity theft, document fraud, marriage fraud, forgery and other underlying crimes

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Some good and accurate photoshopping from Obamas bus tour


http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bus3.jpg



http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/ZZ66FEFD0C.jpg

[epo]

Being an illegal alien is actually a civil offense.

That being said that doesnt mean that they have not committed other crimes such as tax evasion, identity theft, document fraud, marriage fraud, forgery and other underlying crimes

Don't you already have an entire thread devoted to your spewing hatred for immigrants?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Don't you already have an entire thread devoted to your spewing hatred for immigrants?

Amazing how you categorize illegals with actual legal immigrants who followed the law and didnt cut the line

Who hates immigrants ?. I have an issue with illegal aliens.

What Obama did was issue a fiat Amnesty program

[Dude!]

What Obama did was issue a fiat Amnesty program

amnesty for Fiats!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

amnesty for Fiats!

I have seen more of those atrocious looking Fiat 500's scurrying around.



The acronym is right. Fix It Again Tony

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So his new thing out of the toolbox is that there will be a Jobs bill proposed after labor day. His mojo is gone, now when he gives a speech most people just roll their eyes, not like the aura and mystique of 2008. Hes become the kid who tries to concoct a new experiment.

[booster11373]

I have seen more of those atrocious looking Fiat 500's scurrying around.



The acronym is right. Fix It Again Tony

You are a fucking bumper sticker come to life.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are a fucking bumper sticker come to life.

Like a fucking Zombie, the word bumper sticker gets thrown out. Just go for the triple play and say Fox news and NeoCon

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7051/grievancerpt.jpg

http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/assets_c/2011/08/BidenChinaTrip2WebCR%208_19_11-thumb-700xauto-354.jpg

[spoon]

Yep, china took control from 08 on, before then our gov policy had zero impact in this short term concern.

[TeeBone]

Pray for our President. The thought of the Vice President assuming control of the country is too scary to imagine.
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/biden_obama.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We'll be fine. Remember nobody messes with Joe

[spoon]

Yes, Cheney vs Biden and goofy Biden scares you of course. Both Bush presidents had awful vice presidents to be honest, for completely different reasons.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Both the father and the son are out of office. Obama still has more than a year and a President Biden scares the hell out of me

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Great, just promote people in the wake of a scandle like this.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110816,0,7676977.story


Where is Darrell Issas cajones? Eric Holder should be standing fast in front of congress. God damn these fucking republicans have no spine

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.cagle.com/news/BusTour/images/garymccoy.jpg

[TeeBone]

http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/obamathrowslikegirl.jpg

...AND he also throws like a girl...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Should this be in a Michelle worst FLOTUS ever thread ?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029615/Michelle-Obama-accused-spending-10m-public-money-vacations.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh great, another ivy leaguer in his toolbox


http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-nominate-krueger-top-economist-120848870.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This was a bad business model from the start but Obama had to get this done. Like everything else, lets just rush things just to say it was an accomplishment


Obama to taxpayers, fuck you, youre out half a billion


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-pushed-500-million-loan-to-solar-company-now-under-investigation/2011/09/13/gIQAr3WbQK_print.html

[hanso]

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fox news

New buzzword people pass it on.

[Jujubees2]

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fox news

New buzzword people pass it on.

Need some picture to go with it...

http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/msnbc-20090227-warfare.jpg

[Dude!]

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the only people Obama appeals to
pass it on

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought all men were created equal. Why are some exempt? Pay up deadbeats.


http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm

[A.J.]

I thought all men were created equal. Why are some exempt? Pay up deadbeats.


http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm

"Fairness." :laugh:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama would have more credibility if he picked the Jimmy Buffet plan

[Syd]

I thought all men were created equal. Why are some exempt? Pay up deadbeats.


http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm

because you can't really take any more money from someone living at around the poverty line?

[StanUpshaw]

If you want to ease the tax burden on the poor, eliminate these:

http://i.imgur.com/L840U.gif

[sailor]

because you can't really take any more money from someone living at around the poverty line?

I saw an article months ago and it said people with zero tax liability span all income brackets.

[StanUpshaw]

I saw an article months ago and it said people with zero tax liability span all income brackets.

It was also in WF's article:

http://i.imgur.com/bR6ak.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

because you can't really take any more money from someone living at around the poverty line?

So they should pay nothing?

How many in the Poverty line have FIOS DirecTV etc? How many have Ipods. Because if the 47% who pay no fed income taxes continue to have no stake in the cost of government, it doesnt matter to them about the runaway spending. Even if they paid $10 per pay period they would have some stake and would give them an incentive more wise

[Dude!]

I saw an article months ago and it said people with zero tax liability span all income brackets.

wow..great source

i saw an article that said
aliens from space destroyed
the world trade center

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What the fuck is going on in the WH?


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/world-news-political-insights-book-detracts-from-white-house-message/

I wonder if Obama is pill popping

http://atlantapost.com/2011/09/16/is-obama-depressed/

[JimBeam]

I know that a civilized country has got to take care of those that can't take care of themselves but welfare for the non-elderly and non-infirm has got be addressed.

I mean there are people I know that continue to have kids despite not working and getting gov't aid. They then have all the free time and apparently money to have extracurricular activities and buy all kinds of gadgets.

What's crazy is despite the impression that it's all minorities the people I know personally that are running that scam are white. Granted they are complete white trash but they are white.

Every time I see the wife post on Facebook that she's going to play softball or that she's going drinking I want to puke.

But to the point something is wrong w/ a system that allows able bodied people to take money and not work for it while also limiting unemployment benefits to those who have worked their whole lives.

So taxing the rich isn't the only thing that should be considered.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama is going to be the biggest political fall from grace ever. I know it bothers people when I point out the high hopes, the Messionic vision of him, the huge expectations that he would change how Washington operates etc.

It was just a dream. 2008 saw this wide eyed rockstar full of ambition, many in the media gushing over him, an uninformed electorate voting with their emotions, believing that the man would solve their problems.

We got a president in over his head, someone who believes that Keynesian economics could get the country out of the economic malaise. We instead got net job losses, higher unemployment, a dollar that is weakened, a continued losing effort in Afghanistan. An illegal war started in Libya, An unpopular new entitlement program. Amnesty for 200K illegal aliens including his drunk uncle. Consumer confidence in the shitter and an overall negative outlook.

[sailor]

wow..great source

i saw an article that said
aliens from space destroyed
the world trade center

I wouldn't doubt you believe it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Also I know it gets under the skin of many here but we also have too many illegal aliens here collecting entitlements and having multiple children and not paying a dime. Last week the poverty rate came out and it was 15.9%


We are literally importing more poverty into this country. Our entitlement system is busting at the seams, but we are allowing more needy dependant people to come here multiply and stay.


Unless we tackle this problem we will fall the way of Western Europe

[Jujubees2]

So they should pay nothing?

How many in the Poverty line have FIOS DirecTV etc? How many have Ipods. Because if the 47% who pay no fed income taxes continue to have no stake in the cost of government, it doesnt matter to them about the runaway spending. Even if they paid $10 per pay period they would have some stake and would give them an incentive more wise

While they don't pay income tax they do pay social security tax and sales tax. And since social security tax is only applied to the first $100,00 or so, a person who makes $50,000 is paying a higher percentage to social security tax than someone making $500,000.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While they don't pay income tax they do pay social security tax and sales tax. And since social security tax is only applied to the first $100,00 or so, a person who makes $50,000 is paying a higher percentage to social security tax than someone making $500,000.

True they pay FICA, sales etc. They should contribute something for federal income taxes.

[JimBeam]

True they pay FICA, sales etc. They should contribute something for federal income taxes.

The person making $500K will probably never need or see a cent of what they would pay into SS.

Everybody that benefits from the gov't, which is everybody, should have to pay federal and state taxes.

I laught at the thought that guys like Buffet say they should pay more texes.

Nobody's stopping them from paying more. Send in as much as you want if that floats your boat.

And you know what don't take the tax exemptions when you donate monet to charitable causes.

It's made out like Buffet and other rich people, with liberal leanings, never take tax exemptions.

That's total BS.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The person making $500K will probably never need or see a cent of what they would pay into SS.

Everybody that benefits from the gov't, which is everybody, should have to pay federal and state taxes.

I laught at the thought that guys like Buffet say they should pay more texes.

Nobody's stopping them from paying more. Send in as much as you want if that floats your boat.

And you know what don't take the tax exemptions when you donate monet to charitable causes.

It's made out like Buffet and other rich people, with liberal leanings, never take tax exemptions.

That's total BS.

Buffett escapes taxes by hiring an army of accountants and lawyers to help him keep most of his money. Plus allof his charities are a factor too.

When Buffett dies he doesnt want all of his money going to the federal government, Its going to private charities. Who the fuck is he fooling?

That line of Buffett paying less than his secratary. Its because that money is capital gains


Same thing with these A list celebrities crying they dont pay enough in taxes. Many have their primary resisencies in Idaho and Montana

[TripleSkeet]

Buffett escapes taxes by hiring an army of accountants and lawyers to help him keep most of his money. Plus allof his charities are a factor too.

When Buffett dies he doesnt want all of his money going to the federal government, Its going to private charities. Who the fuck is he fooling?

That line of Buffett paying less than his secratary. Its because that money is capital gains


Same thing with these A list celebrities crying they dont pay enough in taxes. Many have their primary resisencies in Idaho and Montana

Their point is if youre going to let us pay less in taxes, we are going to take advantage and pay less. But we wouldnt have a problem if you changed the rules forcing us to pay more. A handfull of millionaires not taking advantage of tax breaks isnt going to help anything, but making them ALL pay would.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Their point is if youre going to let us pay less in taxes, we are going to take advantage and pay less. But we wouldnt have a problem if you changed the rules forcing us to pay more. A handfull of millionaires not taking advantage of tax breaks isnt going to help anything, but making them ALL pay would.

Who is stopping them from paying more?


If Matt Damon feels guilty he can write a check.


As far as the 47% who pay no income taxes making them pay would help also

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://rightbias.com/Images/suck%20humor%20300.JPG

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heres one way to change the tax code.

Proving my point Illegals might pay taxes but they are not tax payers

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/09/how-stop-child-tax-credit-fraud-illegal-immigrants



"Because this credit is refundable, parents who owe no taxes can receive cash back from the government for their children through the tax code. Because the credit has been expanded over the years to help people make ends meet in the recession, the number of people claiming the credit has skyrocketed.

Defying common sense, this refundable tax credit can be provided to an illegal immigrant as long as the immigrant is able to obtain an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number from the Internal Revenue Service.

The new report shows that in 2010, the government's award of $4.2 billion through the credit to illegal immigrants was up from $924 million in 2005. In 2010, illegal immigrants received about 15 percent of the total $28.3 billion awarded through child tax credits. That's just wrong".

[epo]

184 pages of Wrestling Fan complaining about brown people.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

184 pages of Wrestling Fan complaining about brown people.

You have some catching up to do, You havent complained about Jews lately

[Dude!]

You have some catching up to do, You havent complained about Jews lately

obviously you haven't
kept up with his website:

Ich bin ein nazi

[TripleSkeet]

Who is stopping them from paying more?


If Matt Damon feels guilty he can write a check.


As far as the 47% who pay no income taxes making them pay would help also

Whats stopping them from paying more is they dont have to. Thats the point. They arent going to if they dont have to. And unless they force the other millionaires too also. Why can you not comprehend this?

They dont want to give a drop in the bucket, they want to be part of a group effort to fill the bucket by all the people that have the fucking water.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Whats stopping them from paying more is they dont have to. Thats the point. They arent going to if they dont have to. And unless they force the other millionaires too also. Why can you not comprehend this?

They dont want to give a drop in the bucket, they want to be part of a group effort to fill the bucket by all the people that have the fucking water.

Ok let them pay their own share. But they wont, they will continue to take every deduction, every loophole and have residence on big sky country

A lot have said they don't pay enough, So for Matt Damon et al. Be patriotic and send in a check to the IRS. Mr Woolery has the instructions

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/-ifpEROFT-U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Speaking of part of a group. The nearly half that dont contribute need to pay up.

They are afforded the same national defense as everyone else. They drive on the interstate system. They have an FBI , NSA, CIA keeping them safe. They should pitch in too

What makes them special?

[TripleSkeet]

Ok let them pay their own share. But they wont, they will continue to take every deduction, every loophole and have residence on big sky country

A lot have said they don't pay enough, So for Matt Damon et al. Be patriotic and send in a check to the IRS. Mr Woolery has the instructions

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/-ifpEROFT-U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Speaking of part of a group. The nearly half that dont contribute need to pay up.

They are afforded the same national defense as everyone else. They drive on the interstate system. They have an FBI , NSA, CIA keeping them safe. They should pitch in too

What makes them special?

Maybe they dont make enough money to both pay and survive.

See, I know your Republican, so you have that train of thought where one person can make $10 million, pay there share of taxes and walk past someone who is struggling to live, and its ok, because they did their part, so fuck that person whos in trouble. I dont have that mentality.

At a time where a quarter of the country is struggling to make ends meet, I think those that have so much more then the rest should do MORE then their fair share to help out. Crazy, I know, go take that shirt off the guy working for $7 / hour because hes not paying taxes.

[TripleSkeet]

And in response to that video, since you just dont sem to get it, Im not gonna reword it again. Im just going to copy and paste the same fucking answer every time you ask that same question...



They dont want to give a drop in the bucket, they want to be part of a group effort to fill the bucket by all the people that have the fucking water.

[StanUpshaw]

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[Dude!]

At a time where a quarter of the country is struggling to make ends meet, I think those that have so much more then the rest should do MORE then their fair share to help out. Crazy, I know, go take that shirt off the guy working for $7 / hour because hes not paying taxes.

um, most do...
it's called charitable contributions

since you may not be aware of these,
many rich people give vast sums
to charities whose work they like
and which actually do stuff which works

unlike the govt redirecting their hard-earned
money to its worthy causes...like Solyndra

[TripleSkeet]

um, most do...
it's called charitable contributions

since you may not be aware of these,
many rich people give vast sums
to charities whose work they like
and which actually do stuff which works

unlike the govt redirecting their hard-earned
money to its worthy causes...like Solyndra

Charities dont help lower the national debt. And I dont care if rich people give to those. I was answering his question about if Warren Buffet and others want their taxes raised, why dont they just pay more? Because they dont just want their taxes raised, they want the tax breaks cut for ALL the millionaires, which if you arent a millionaire, I cant understand why you would be against this.

[Jujubees2]

Multi-Millionaire Rep. Says He Can’t Afford A Tax Hike Because He Only Has $400K A Year After Feeding Family (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/19/322405/gop-rep-whines-400k/)

[Earlshog]

Multi-Millionaire Rep. Says He Can’t Afford A Tax Hike Because He Only Has $400K A Year After Feeding Family (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/19/322405/gop-rep-whines-400k/)

That ought to garner him some compassion down in the Treme

[StanUpshaw]

When I was five, I would have a tantrum when my sister got a bigger scoop of ice cream than me. I guess some people never outgrow that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe they dont make enough money to both pay and survive.

See, I know your Republican, so you have that train of thought where one person can make $10 million, pay there share of taxes and walk past someone who is struggling to live, and its ok, because they did their part, so fuck that person whos in trouble. I dont have that mentality.

At a time where a quarter of the country is struggling to make ends meet, I think those that have so much more then the rest should do MORE then their fair share to help out. Crazy, I know, go take that shirt off the guy working for $7 / hour because hes not paying taxes.

Everyone uses some sort of government service, ie traveling on roads, being protected by the military etc. so they should pay something. Its not about hating the poor and loving the rich.


Besides the term rich has been dumbed sown and the bar set very low. Some arbitrary amt of 200K is childish to say that they are rich

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kudos to CBS news for their journalism on the fast and furious. Each day something new is popping up

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20108965-10391695.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not even the Senate majority ldr has confidence


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/obamas-jobs-bill-pretty-well-jammed-in-the-senate/

[Syd]

um, most do...
it's called charitable contributions

since you may not be aware of these,
many rich people give vast sums
to charities whose work they like
and which actually do stuff which works

unlike the govt redirecting their hard-earned
money to its worthy causes...like Solyndra

they redirect
their hard-earned money
toward funding
right wing
death squads
in south america

[StanUpshaw]

they redirect
their hard-earned money
toward funding
right wing
death squads
in south america

And you want to give them more.

[Syd]

no more than
my conservative
voting friends
who sell arms to terrorists

to fund other terrorists

conservatives: worse than
buying pot
at supporting
terrorism

[TripleSkeet]

Everyone uses some sort of government service, ie traveling on roads, being protected by the military etc. so they should pay something. Its not about hating the poor and loving the rich.


Besides the term rich has been dumbed sown and the bar set very low. Some arbitrary amt of 200K is childish to say that they are rich

Cant give what you dont have. Just like some people have compassion for those who just dont have as much as others, while some are greedy and only care about themselves, so they say "Fuck em".

[TripleSkeet]

When I was five, I would have a tantrum when my sister got a bigger scoop of ice cream than me. I guess some people never outgrow that.

When I was 5 and my kid sister would cry because I got a bigger scoop of ice cream then her I would feel bad that I had more then her so I would share. Then again I was taught generosity and compassion. Too bad so many people outgrow that.

[StanUpshaw]

This is the argument that you're going with? Mother Terskeetsa?

Fucking laughable.

[PapaBear]

When I was 5, I was fucking adorable. Teenaged girls would give me free ice cream.

[StanUpshaw]

When I was 5, I was fucking adorable. Teenaged girls would give me free ice cream.

MMMMmmmmm tell me more....

[TripleSkeet]

This is the argument that you're going with? Mother Terskeetsa?

Fucking laughable.

I thought we were telling childhood stories? We werent?

[PapaBear]

MMMMmmmmm tell me more....
They are in their mid to late 50's now.

[A.J.]

So much for "Change": White House remains a man’s world, some say
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/white-house-remains-a-mans-world-some-say/2011/09/21/gIQAMhDEmK_story.html)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

even Guitar companies are a threat to national security?

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/sep/20/memphis-based-hardwood-industry-others-push-back-g/

[A.J.]

even Guitar companies are a threat to national security?

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/sep/20/memphis-based-hardwood-industry-others-push-back-g/

Les Paul must be rolling over in his grave.

[Dude!]

Les Paul must be rolling over on his grave.

well, summer 2011 is officially over...
wasn't this supposed to be
"the recovery summer"

oh wait...that was last year

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama owns this economy

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/more-voters-begin-blame-obama-struggling-economy-145038556.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well, summer 2011 is officially over...
wasn't this supposed to be
"the recovery summer"

oh wait...that was last year

Obama has saved the economy.
Lets call him Franklin DelanO'Bama

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/global-markets-sell-off-significant-economic-concerns-154815077.html

[A.J.]

Lets call him Franklin DelanO'Bama

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/V_FrB-hkiTc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Maude " That man had charisma"

Archie " I dont care he was sick"

:lol::lol:

[TripleSkeet]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/V_FrB-hkiTc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Greatest sitcom ever. Nowadays it wouldnt see airtime unless it was on FX or Comedy Central. Could you imagine that "she discovered the coloreds" speech being allowed on network TV now???

"For 2 Terms! We didnt know he was gonna try and hold onto da job like da pope!" :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[TripleSkeet]

So much for "Change": White House remains a man’s world, some say
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/white-house-remains-a-mans-world-some-say/2011/09/21/gIQAMhDEmK_story.html)

Pretty sure this should be in the "Best President Ever" thread.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

FDR's legacy

http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/japan/order.jpg

[Syd]

or this

http://i.imgur.com/wSMP7.gif

but conservatives generally frown upon talking about war crimes America perpetrated because they're a bunch of liars and thieves

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of war criminals



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dRtPRa1x034/TkDXOQ3dO7I/AAAAAAAAA0k/niXV_41tS04/s1600/Lyndon_Johnson.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Intercontinental railroad. Do they go thru all 57 states?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/09/obama-gaffe-jobs-act-speech-brent-spence-bridge-ohio.html


From the same man who kept saying Corpse-man

[cougarjake13]

The Intercontinental railroad. Do they go thru all 57 states?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/09/obama-gaffe-jobs-act-speech-brent-spence-bridge-ohio.html


From the same man who kept saying Corpse-man



as bad as george w but not near the same amount of press

[hanso]

True they pay FICA, sales etc. They should contribute something for federal income taxes.

Then they would have to get more entitlements. How about the rich just paying the 4-5% more. It has been 10 years now the "job creators" have had the break.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then they would have to get more entitlements. How about the rich just paying the 4-5% more. It has been 10 years now the "job creators" have had the break.

How would they get more entitlements? $10 OR $20 per pay period wont have an impact on them.


What happened to shared sacrifice. Wanna tax the rich ok. But the poor gotta pay up too

[spoon]

How would they get more entitlements? $10 OR $20 per pay period wont have an impact on them.


What happened to shared sacrifice. Wanna tax the rich ok. But the poor gotta pay up too

This is just so fucking stupid it comical. Sorry, WF, but 10 or 20 to a person making shit has an impact. Taking a larger percentage or something above fucking zero from corporations/taking away tax loopholes and subsidies actually makes a dent in our lost revenue from said taxes.

[spoon]

Another question, how many people do we have in prison right now?

The best I could find is this from wiki bc I'm lazy.

In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2009 — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population

Add to this children and those in school not working and there are quite a few US citizens who truly have a reason for NOT paying taxes.

Let's not forget those retired and elderly out there paying nothing living off their ss and pensions.

Now add those who are below the poverty line and working for min wage which still hasn't been raised while everything else around us does drastically, as in 12 to cross a FUCKING BRIDGE ONCE.

I know this is no groundbreaking synopsis on who pays taxes, but it just shows why a large percentage of americans aren't, and shouldn't have to pay taxes.

This is not the issue, just as teachers, cops and unions are not the reason states are in the red for years now, much less the national government.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is just so fucking stupid it comical. Sorry, WF, but 10 or 20 to a person making shit has an impact. Taking a larger percentage or something above fucking zero from corporations/taking away tax loopholes and subsidies actually makes a dent in our lost revenue from said taxes.

Im for killing those loopholes and subsidies.


As far as the 47% who pay zero in federal income tax, do they breathe different air than everyone else? They benefit from the EPA. Their food is inspected by the USDA and their drugs are inspected by the FDA. Their savings are insured by FDIC and they enjoy being protected by the military. They should pay too. If the rich need to pitch in more, the poor should contribute some.

[StanUpshaw]

It's such a waste of time to be talking about who pays what. Every word you type that's not about reducing spending is folly.

[spoon]

Im for killing those loopholes and subsidies.


As far as the 47% who pay zero in federal income tax, do they breathe different air than everyone else? They benefit from the EPA. Their food is inspected by the USDA and their drugs are inspected by the FDA. Their savings are insured by FDIC and they enjoy being protected by the military. They should pay too. If the rich need to pitch in more, the poor should contribute some.

No, they are the military usually. This post too is just soaking in bullshit broth. Classic bait and switch tactics so we don't focus on the true issues. The poor paying 10 bucks will end up costing more and helping nothing. It's so off it's comical. Perhaps it's all the stupid liberal's fault anyway? Just imagine all those tax dollars we aborted with glee.

[spoon]

It's such a waste of time to be talking about who pays what. Every word you type that's not about reducing spending is folly.

surely a much bigger part of the issue versus poor paying 10 bucks

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No, they are the military usually. This post too is just soaking in bullshit broth. Classic bait and switch tactics so we don't focus on the true issues. The poor paying 10 bucks will end up costing more and helping nothing. It's so off it's comical. Perhaps it's all the stupid liberal's fault anyway? Just imagine all those tax dollars we aborted with glee.

The latest figures from the DoD are from 2005 and the myth that the military is made mostly from poor people is false

http://www.defense.gov/news/Dec2005/d20051213mythfact.pdf


I was in the Marine Corps from 91-95 I wan in an infantry battalion, Sure there was a percentage of poor people but the majority of people in my unit came from middle class backgrounds. In fact there were a lot of people in my platoon from Westchester, Long Island and Northern NJ

[TripleSkeet]

Im for killing those loopholes and subsidies.


As far as the 47% who pay zero in federal income tax, do they breathe different air than everyone else? They benefit from the EPA. Their food is inspected by the USDA and their drugs are inspected by the FDA. Their savings are insured by FDIC and they enjoy being protected by the military. They should pay too. If the rich need to pitch in more, the poor should contribute some.

You know who you are? When a group of friends go out drinking, and one of the guys either doesnt have as good a job as the others, and his friends all wanna throw extra money as a favor so he doesnt have to pay as much for the bill, youre the guy that cries and whines about why he should have to pay more and how its not his fault the guy doesnt make good money. I hate that guy. Thats you.

[Dude!]

You know who you are? When a group of friends go out drinking, and one of the guys either doesnt have as good a job as the others, and his friends all wanna throw extra money as a favor so he doesnt have to pay as much for the bill, youre the guy that cries and whines about why he should have to pay more and how its not his fault the guy doesnt make good money. I hate that guy. Thats you.

geez...you're the one
who is always outraged
when people tell him what
he can or can't do

you hatewrestling fan
for feeling the same way
about the government

you hate yourself

[spoon]

The latest figures from the DoD are from 2005 and the myth that the military is made mostly from poor people is false

http://www.defense.gov/news/Dec2005/d20051213mythfact.pdf


I was in the Marine Corps from 91-95 I wan in an infantry battalion, Sure there was a percentage of poor people but the majority of people in my unit came from middle class backgrounds. In fact there were a lot of people in my platoon from Westchester, Long Island and Northern NJ

So your thesis on the financial background of the entire military is based on speculation about the one unit you belonged to? I'm quite sure the majority of the military, especially those at the lower levels almost always is filled by a majority of kids from poor families and those in the lower middle class. The good proportion of the rest are usually people who used the military to help pay for college, or fell into it bc they couldn't find the work they needed after leaving it. It's not everyone, nobody is stating that, but with no draft the divide only grows in each new war or conflict.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So your thesis on the financial background of the entire military is based on speculation about the one unit you belonged to? I'm quite sure the majority of the military, especially those at the lower levels almost always is filled by a majority of kids from poor families and those in the lower middle class. The good proportion of the rest are usually people who used the military to help pay for college, or fell into it bc they couldn't find the work they needed after leaving it. It's not everyone, nobody is stating that, but with no draft the divide only grows in each new war or conflict.




I am pointing out that according to the DoD that its not true that the military is comprised of mostly poor people who have no other choice but to become a Soldier, Marine or Sailor

That was from 2005, The country has been involved in both wars by that time.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

geez...you're the one
who is always outraged
when people tell him what
he can or can't do

you hatewrestling fan
for feeling the same way
about the government

you hate yourself

TS is comparing taxes and a multi trillion dollar budget to happy hour. Maybe he's been drinking

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wow, pulling the race card and balkanize the population

So when does the transgendered left handed Asian vegans for Obama meet ?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-2012-campaigns-operation-vote-focuses-on-ethnic-minorities-core-liberals/2011/09/23/gIQAlY7JuK_story.html?hpid=z1

[Jujubees2]

Wow, pulling the race card and balkanize the population

So when does the transgendered left handed Asian vegans for Obama meet ?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-2012-campaigns-operation-vote-focuses-on-ethnic-minorities-core-liberals/2011/09/23/gIQAlY7JuK_story.html?hpid=z1

Tomorrow night at my place. 8:00 PM. Don;t be late or you won't get any of my vegan brownies.

[zildjian361]

:help:3 posters spoon wf and dude

[Dude!]

:help:3 posters spoon wf and dude

yeah, the 3 of us hate obama
so we keep this thread alive

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yeah, the 3 of us hate obama
so we keep this thread alive

Spoon hates Obama because he's not to the left of Castro

[spoon]

you two are so silly

[Syd]

Im for killing those loopholes and subsidies.


As far as the 47% who pay zero in federal income tax, do they breathe different air than everyone else? They benefit from the EPA. Their food is inspected by the USDA and their drugs are inspected by the FDA. Their savings are insured by FDIC and they enjoy being protected by the military. They should pay too. If the rich need to pitch in more, the poor should contribute some.

Taxs are (generally) proportional to the resources that the person in question draws upon. A person making next to nothing is drawing on minimal resources from the welfare state whereas a rich person draws on more resources from the welfare state. The poor benefit from the EPA, but they're not the ones with coal-fired power plants or paper recycling facilities that cause environmental damage. Their food is inspected by the USDA, but they're eating lower quality meat that has less stringent regulations. The drugs they use are, again, lower quality/generic that require less stringent regulations. That is assuming they can afford the drugs at all. Their savings, if they exist, are minimal and don't require the same amount of capital to be insured. The military protects them but they have no amount of wealth that requires protecting -- their land and holdings are minimal and if there was a sudden regime change their lot in life wouldn't be all that different.

The amount of money people pay in taxes (should) directly correlate to what they require. That is why you, me and everyone else here (should) pay significantly less than the Koch brothers. To borrow a term that may kill my argument due to prejudice -- the the same way carbon footprints work, there's a monetary footprint. Their footprint is larger than all of ours combined. Larger than a huge swath of the population combined. That is why they're obligated to pay more -- they use more resources than many, many other people combined.

Remember that of the US' discretionary spending ($1.3tn) $800 billion goes toward the military. The military exists for one reason: to protect capital and to further it's investments. There hasn't, nor will ever be, a credible threat to America's shores. There are two vast oceans on either side and minimal military strength in Mexico or Canada, or really minimal military strength in any of the Americas. So, yeah -- that's another reason that the rich should be taxed more. They're the ones who need the military to protect and increase their wealth, not us.

[TripleSkeet]

TS is comparing taxes and a multi trillion dollar budget to happy hour. Maybe he's been drinking

Because in order to pay for this budget you want to take the nickels from those that have nothing rather then have multi millionaires dip into their bottomless pockets. I just dont get it. Its like telling a homeless guy "Hey! You use that sidewalk to get a good nights sleep every night, dont you? You should have to pay city taxes to make sure the maintenance is kept up on it!"

[Dude!]

There hasn't, nor will ever be, a credible threat to America's shores. There are two vast oceans on either side and minimal military strength in Mexico or Canada, or really minimal military strength in any of the Americas.

that is totally accurate
if this is 1912

i guess you never heard of
airplanes, missles and submarines
all carrying nuclear warheads

[A.J.]

There hasn't, nor will ever be, a credible threat to America's shores. There are two vast oceans on either side and minimal military strength in Mexico or Canada, or really minimal military strength in any of the Americas.

Somebody never saw Red Dawn.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Because in order to pay for this budget you want to take the nickels from those that have nothing rather then have multi millionaires dip into their bottomless pockets. I just dont get it. Its like telling a homeless guy "Hey! You use that sidewalk to get a good nights sleep every night, dont you? You should have to pay city taxes to make sure the maintenance is kept up on it!"


There aren't enough millionaires and billionaires to keep up with the insatiable spending.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If the poor are spending their EBT cards on cookies and potato chips then that's lower quality food. The supermarkets have these colorful items in all shapes and sizes that grow on trees vines and in the ground commonly known as fruits and veggies. They can buy those

[Syd]

that is totally accurate
if this is 1912

i guess you never heard of
airplanes, missles and submarines
all carrying nuclear warheads

ever since
1912
armies
no longer
require
supplies

thanks to
airplanes, missiles and submarines
all carrying nuclear warheads full of food, water and munitions

go read
a book
about logistics
specifically
tooth to tail
ratio and supply
lines

now imagine
your supply line
extends 8000 miles

remember that
is why so few countires
other than
france and poland
were able to successfully
occupy moscow
it took incredible
technological superiority
the disparity that which
will never be matched
to overcome
the massive logistical
hurdles

thanks
for playing
though, I enjoy
typing like this
very free flowing
like the stream of
shit that is
your posts

also the
only countries
that pose a
credible threat
to america
through nuclear weapons
is france
and russia
no other country
has the ability
to cripple
america with
nuclear weapons
besides them

[TripleSkeet]

If the poor are spending their EBT cards on cookies and potato chips then that's lower quality food. The supermarkets have these colorful items in all shapes and sizes that grow on trees vines and in the ground commonly known as fruits and veggies. They can buy those

What is your point? That now they should be told what kind of food they can eat?

[brettmojo]

If the poor are spending their EBT cards on cookies and potato chips then that's lower quality food. The supermarkets have these colorful items in all shapes and sizes that grow on trees vines and in the ground commonly known as fruits and veggies. They can buy those
$ vs. $$$$$

[WRESTLINGFAN]

$ vs. $$$$$



Fruit and vegetables aren't expensive

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What is your point? That now they should be told what kind of food they can eat?


Personal responsibility and common sense

[Syd]

Fruit and vegetables aren't expensive

Ever been to a grocery store in an impoverished area? The fruit and vegetables there aren't exactly fresh.

[Bob Impact]

Taxs are (generally) proportional to the resources that the person in question draws upon. A person making next to nothing is drawing on minimal resources from the welfare state whereas a rich person draws on more resources from the welfare state. The poor benefit from the EPA, but they're not the ones with coal-fired power plants or paper recycling facilities that cause environmental damage. Their food is inspected by the USDA, but they're eating lower quality meat that has less stringent regulations. The drugs they use are, again, lower quality/generic that require less stringent regulations. That is assuming they can afford the drugs at all. Their savings, if they exist, are minimal and don't require the same amount of capital to be insured. The military protects them but they have no amount of wealth that requires protecting -- their land and holdings are minimal and if there was a sudden regime change their lot in life wouldn't be all that different.

The amount of money people pay in taxes (should) directly correlate to what they require. That is why you, me and everyone else here (should) pay significantly less than the Koch brothers. To borrow a term that may kill my argument due to prejudice -- the the same way carbon footprints work, there's a monetary footprint. Their footprint is larger than all of ours combined. Larger than a huge swath of the population combined. That is why they're obligated to pay more -- they use more resources than many, many other people combined.

Remember that of the US' discretionary spending ($1.3tn) $800 billion goes toward the military. The military exists for one reason: to protect capital and to further it's investments. There hasn't, nor will ever be, a credible threat to America's shores. There are two vast oceans on either side and minimal military strength in Mexico or Canada, or really minimal military strength in any of the Americas. So, yeah -- that's another reason that the rich should be taxed more. They're the ones who need the military to protect and increase their wealth, not us.
I don't entirely disagree with you, I just think they should tax when the money is spent, not when it's earned.

Oh and also, generic drugs are tested less because they were already tested as non-generics, the only thing needed is to ensure they are pure and using the same formula. Anything more would be a waste of money and resources.

[Syd]

They're tested, but there are legal safeguards in place that prevent consumers from being properly protected (mainly avoiding lawsuits) which is a big reason why they're cheaper.

As for why you tax money when it is earned is because it is more consistent as well as being more fair. Consumption taxes disproportionately target the middle class -- they're the bulk of spenders in the nation, not as Fox News would have you believe it's our benevolent god-king job creators. Not that I am against a consumption tax, but only for non-perishable goods.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ever been to a grocery store in an impoverished area? The fruit and vegetables there aren't exactly fresh.

Yes I have. Ive never seen brown apples or rotten broccoli

[TripleSkeet]

Yes I have. Ive never seen brown apples or rotten broccoli

Doesnt matter. They have a right to eat what they want. Arent you the fucking guy always talking about govt. staying out of our personal lives? I guess if people cant afford their gas bill they should just move down south where they dont need heat huh?

[StanUpshaw]

Doesnt matter. They have a right to eat what they want. Arent you the fucking guy always talking about govt. staying out of our personal lives? I guess if people cant afford their gas bill they should just move down south where they dont need heat huh?

I guess the strawman troll vacuum had to be filled by someone now that Barnaby and Dudeman haven't been around.

[TripleSkeet]

I guess the strawman troll vacuum had to be filled by someone now that Barnaby and Dudeman haven't been around.

I thought you took that over. Notice how Ive just been ignoring you lately?

[StanUpshaw]

I thought you took that over. Notice how Ive just been ignoring you lately?

Nope, but don't stop now.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Doesnt matter. They have a right to eat what they want. Arent you the fucking guy always talking about govt. staying out of our personal lives? I guess if people cant afford their gas bill they should just move down south where they dont need heat huh?

If you are a member of the recipient class buying your food with someone elses money then in theory you should buy the basics. Sure they have the right to but its not the right thing to do


In Florida they want to drug test people on public assistance. I have no opposition to that. No one forced them to become members of the recipient class. If someone wants a job in many companies they have to take one.

[Jujubees2]

If you are a member of the recipient class buying your food with someone elses money then in theory you should buy the basics. Sure they have the right to but its not the right thing to do


In Florida they want to drug test people on public assistance. I have no opposition to that. No one forced them to become members of the recipient class. If someone wants a job in many companies they have to take one.

Then the government should also drug test farmers who get big government subsidies and the presidents of all the banks and other companies that have been bailed out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then the government should also drug test farmers who get big government subsidies and the presidents of all the banks and other companies that have been bailed out.

With all the GM recalls maybe there needs to be piss tests

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dan Hampton says no

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/26/white-house-hampton-say-no-thanks/

[Syd]

In Florida they want to drug test people on public assistance. I have no opposition to that. No one forced them to become members of the recipient class. If someone wants a job in many companies they have to take one.

So, your health insurance should come with mandatory drug tests? Other people are paying for any of your medical care.

Also, the only reason they want to drug test people on welfare is because the governor is in cahoots with a company that produces the drug testing kits. It's all about making people like you demonize those on welfare, when you should be demonizing capital for destroying government function in the name of profit.

[StanUpshaw]

So, your health insurance should come with mandatory drug tests? Other people are paying for any of your medical care.

Also, the only reason they want to drug test people on welfare is because the governor is in cahoots with a company that produces the drug testing kits. It's all about making people like you demonize those on welfare, when you should be demonizing capital for destroying government function in the name of profit.

This is what happens when government's "function" swells beyond its legitimate scope.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, your health insurance should come with mandatory drug tests? Other people are paying for any of your medical care.

Also, the only reason they want to drug test people on welfare is because the governor is in cahoots with a company that produces the drug testing kits. It's all about making people like you demonize those on welfare, when you should be demonizing capital for destroying government function in the name of profit.

My healthcare is from a private company.

Demonizing people like these? OF COURSE



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[Syd]

This is what happens when government's "function" swells beyond its legitimate scope.

So the natural response is LESS government, and allow un-elected boardmembers to determine decisions in our lives?

My healthcare is from a private company.

You think they don't use money from other people who are insured to pay out your medical bills?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So the natural response is LESS government, and allow un-elected boardmembers to determine decisions in our lives?



You think they don't use money from other people who are insured to pay out your medical bills?

I don't have any medical bills.


I have to pay into my plan. The recipent class doesnt have to worry about who foots the Medicaid bills

As far as unelected, If you ever get your dream of single payer unelected bureaucrats will make those decisions.

[StanUpshaw]

So the natural response is LESS government, and allow un-elected boardmembers to determine decisions in our lives?


Unelected boardmembers have no power beyond their own firm. Only when the government is involved are your actions compelled with force.

[Bob Impact]

Unelected boardmembers have no power beyond their own firm. Only when the government is involved are your actions compelled with force.

In before "they run the government maaaannnn."

[StanUpshaw]

In before "they run the government maaaannnn."

It's a true enough statement. But how do you fix it? At this point in history, how can anyone be stupid enough to think, "this time it will be different...MY team are the good guys!"

Corporate greed + force = tyranny
Egalitarianism + force = tyranny
Nationalism + force = tyrrany

It doesn't matter what is on the other side of the equation. Government power is -- intrinsically -- violent coercion, and THAT is the only problem that matters.

[Syd]

You just wait till the collapse of capitalism. We're past peak oil production, so it's just a matter of time till we can't gas up our SUVs or buy up plastic bullshit from China.

[Dude!]

You just wait till the collapse of capitalism. We're past peak oil production, so it's just a matter of time till we can't gas up our SUVs or buy up plastic bullshit from China.

well, apparently capitalism will still be
alive and well in China

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack Hussein OBiden

http://www.gazette.com/articles/speech-125772-denver-obama.html

[A.J.]

All that's needed is for Obama to be attacked by a rabbit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident) and the transformation will be complete.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fuck it, lets toss out this constitution and name Barack as Chairman MaoBama


http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/perdues-call-for-suspending-elections-may-be-a-national-liability-ahead-of-2012-critics-say/

[Dude!]

All that's needed is for Obama to be attacked by a rabbit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident) and the transformation will be complete.

i never knew about that...
hilarious!

[Bob Impact]

Fuck it, lets toss out this constitution and name Barack as Chairman MaoBama


http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/perdues-call-for-suspending-elections-may-be-a-national-liability-ahead-of-2012-critics-say/

What does that story have to do with Obama?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What does that story have to do with Obama?

She wants to focus on Jobs. That's O's new pet project now. its all related.

She claims it was made in Jest but these fuckers would love for elections to be killed.

If ever given the chance they would love him to become an Imperial president. He could be a half black FDR

[Dude!]

If ever given the chance they would love him to become an Imperial president. He could be a half black FDR

or more aptly,
a half-white Robert Mugabe

[Syd]

It actually makes sense -- it would allow politicians to vote what they believed in rather than what will get them re-elected. Not like the US has a history of bucking the Constitution anyway, just say "hey blah blah blah war" and people go along with it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A huuuuuuuge defeat for O and Holder


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-lets-key-parts-ala-immigration-law-stand-180225029.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It actually makes sense -- it would allow politicians to vote what they believed in rather than what will get them re-elected. Not like the US has a history of bucking the Constitution anyway, just say "hey blah blah blah war" and people go along with it.

The latest war was started illegally by a democratic President

[Syd]

I love how fucking obsessed you are at cheerleading the GOP that you point that out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love how fucking obsessed you are at cheerleading the GOP that you point that out.

Who's a cheerleader for the GOP? I have issues with many of them. Everyone complains that dubya trashed the constitution and many ways he did, but your constitutional scholar also has no regard for it at all

[StanUpshaw]

I'm afraid Syd might do something drastic when Obama loses. He's a bit of a turd, but even so, I don't want him to hurt himself.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The wheels are falling off the Obama machine. His handlers are throwing everything all out there at once, they are going to try to play the old tired race card but that wont work. Geithner and Bernanke will say how great the economy is and Obama will tout the auto bailout even though that failed.

Axelrod and Plouffe can't even save the sinking ship.

Hope and change has turned into give me more time, Im doing my best.

[Dude!]

The wheels are falling off the Obama machine. His handlers are throwing everything all out there at once, they are going to try to play the old tired race card but that wont work. Geithner and Bernanke will say how great the economy is and Obama will tout the auto bailout even though that failed.

Axelrod and Plouffe can't even save the sinking ship.

Hope and change has turned into give me more time, Im doing my best.

next thing we know, he'll be
breaking down doors in Philly
and beating up white people

[Furtherman]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrf9v36Ukl1qbfpjfo1_400.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/oubmE.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Navy Seals killed Osama
The Libyan war is illegal and the rebels are Al Qaeda linked
Remember Nagin and Landrieu? Plus Irene was a glorified Tropical Storm
He's extending the depression
Those donuts were bought with my money.
Did your VP say that the Dunkin Donuts franchisees have Indian Accents?

Keep your fuckin donuts

[WRESTLINGFAN]

next thing we know, he'll be
breaking down doors in Philly
and beating up white people



Nahhh he won't do that. He has Eric Holder and his handlers in the CBC and teamsters to do that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another 700 million pissed down the Obama sewer. Nancy Pelosis brother in laws Solar company will get a taxpayer backed loan


Call it Sun of Solyndra

[Syd]

I'm afraid Syd might do something drastic when Obama loses. He's a bit of a turd, but even so, I don't want him to hurt himself.

I'm afraid you have me mistaken for an Obama supporter

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Does Obama just not give a fuck anymore. He knows that he is toast come 2012 so hes gonna piss away as much taxdollar cash to his handlers and fundraisers


http://news.yahoo.com/more-solar-companies-led-democratic-donors-received-federal-055150725.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz092511dAPR20110926074533.jpg

[NickyL0885]

Does Obama just not give a fuck anymore. He knows that he is toast come 2012 so hes gonna piss away as much taxdollar cash to his handlers and fundraisers


http://news.yahoo.com/more-solar-companies-led-democratic-donors-received-federal-055150725.html

How is he toast? No GOP candidate looks good enough to win. Romney is a morman, Perry can't debate, and everyone else has no chance. People are not going to vote Obama out just for the sake of it. If that was the case, Bush would not have gotten a second term. Obama will get the same treatment, b/c even if people want him out, he's a better option than what the GOP are offering.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So what if Romney is a Mormon. Does that make him unelectable. ? Perry is done. These are different times. The economy back in 2005 was much better than it was now. Granted it was a house of cards but everyone was riding the wave.

The Iraq war was Bush's albatross but this time people are focusing on the economy and if its still in the shitter theres no way Obama can win.

Obamas got other scandals like Solyndra, fast and furious, giving 200k illegals amnesty for example, also Obamacare and Dodd Frank

He's lost the Independent vote. Popularity for him with Hispanics has dwindled. While blacks and latinos wont vote for the Republican, they will just sit it out this election.

If the GOP were smart they will not bring up rev wright and birther bullshit. Attack him on his record which is dismal

He cant ride the hope and change wave again, he blew his wad with that one. There is no excitement like in 2008 for him. Hes tired and worn out

[NickyL0885]

So what if Romney is a Mormon. Does that make him unelectable. ? Perry is done. These are different times. The economy back in 2005 was much better than it was now. Granted it was a house of cards but everyone was riding the wave.

The Iraq war was Bush's albatross but this time people are focusing on the economy and if its still in the shitter theres no way Obama can win.

Obamas got other scandals like Solyndra, fast and furious, giving 200k illegals amnesty for example, also Obamacare and Dodd Frank

He's lost the Independent vote. Popularity for him with Hispanics has dwindled. While blacks and latinos wont vote for the Republican, they will just sit it out this election.

If the GOP were smart they will not bring up rev wright and birther bullshit. Attack him on his record which is dismal

He cant ride the hope and change wave again, he blew his wad with that one. There is no excitement like in 2008 for him. Hes tired and worn out

Yes b/c the Christians and Evangelicals won't vote for him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes b/c the Christians and Evangelicals won't vote for him.

They are starting to like him in Iowa

http://www.kcci.com/r/29334342/detail.html


4 Years ago a half black guy with a different name was called unelectable and he took down the clinton machine

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More F&F news

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/more-crony-socialism-obama-gives-737-million-to-pelosis-brother-in-laws-solar-firm/

[Syd]

CRONY SOCIALISM

I don't even think people get what socialism, Marxism, communism, fascism or anything else that ends in ism even means any more. It's just dogwhistle for far white people to fire up their rascal scooters and go buy whatever shit is being sold.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

End Plagiarism!!!!!!!

[Dude!]

Yes b/c the Christians and Evangelicals won't vote for him.

bullshit...christians voted for a moslem
they'll certainly vote for a mormon

[NickyL0885]

bullshit...christians voted for a moslem
they'll certainly vote for a mormon

Hmm, never heard of that religion.

[Syd]

GOP-endorsed rapists sue rape victim and are awarded $145k (http://gawker.com/5845054/rape-claimant-must-pay-corporation-145k-in-court-costs)

(for those that don't know, the GOP fought tooth and nail to prevent companies like KBR/Halliburton from being exposed for negligence, rape and other crimes because the GOP exists to serve companies like Halliburton even if it means they're using tax money to rape women or ship sailboat fuel (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sen-al-franken-stands-support-kbr-rap))

[Dude!]

GOP-endorsed rapists sue rape victim and are awarded $145k (http://gawker.com/5845054/rape-claimant-must-pay-corporation-145k-in-court-costs)

(for those that don't know, the GOP fought tooth and nail to prevent companies like KBR/Halliburton from being exposed for negligence, rape and other crimes because the GOP exists to serve companies like Halliburton even if it means they're using tax money to rape women or ship sailboat fuel (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sen-al-franken-stands-support-kbr-rap))

i bet she was askin' for it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I want to hear outrage when tax exempt unions supported by the Democrats beat up blacks


Oh wait they did.


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[Bob Impact]

CRONY SOCIALISM

I don't even think people get what socialism, Marxism, communism, fascism or anything else that ends in ism even means any more. It's just dogwhistle for far white people to fire up their rascal scooters and go buy whatever shit is being sold.

I think by now that you know that I at least do.

They're disgusting.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://rightbias.com/Images/Cartoons/wa30.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, the property owner is probably an attention whore, but its on private property and he is expressing his 1st Amendment right

The douches in the city government always try to bring up zoning laws and sizes of the sign. Ita a fucking sign, Hes not adding an extension to his house without a permit.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Buffett rule

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:



http://news.yahoo.com/buffett-doesn-t-agree-obama-himself-buffett-rule-163204098.html

[Syd]

Buffett is just talking about the AMT, which he wants raised. Obama's plan doesn't change the AMT, or Buffett doesn't realize it changes the AMT.

[Dude!]

Buffett is such a fraud...
he gives $30 billion or whatever
to a "charity" thereby costing the govt.
about $20 billion in inheritance taxes

he is a phony liar and he
should just STFU

[PapaBear]

Buffett is such a fraud...
he gives $30 billion or whatever
to a "charity" thereby costing the govt.
about $20 billion in inheritance taxes

he is a phony liar and he
should just STFU
That's a ridiculous statement. He's fucking the IRS, by not leaving his money to his heirs?

[spoon]

CRONY SOCIALISM

I don't even think people get what socialism, Marxism, communism, fascism or anything else that ends in ism even means any more. It's just dogwhistle for far white people to fire up their rascal scooters and go buy whatever shit is being sold.

yep

buy gold

[spoon]

That's a ridiculous statement. He's fucking the IRS, by not leaving his money to his heirs?

why even bother pb?

[PapaBear]

why even bother pb?
I
know
:wallbash:

[StanUpshaw]

yep

buy gold

:rolleyes: Exactly how high does gold have to go before this stops being an insult?


grrrrr Glen Beck grrrrrrr

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Buffett is such a fraud...
he gives $30 billion or whatever
to a "charity" thereby costing the govt.
about $20 billion in inheritance taxes

he is a phony liar and he
should just STFU

Exactly.!!!! When he dies hes leaving his fortune to Bill and Melinda Gates' charity. So buffett deep down believes that the private sector is better to distribute his wealth than the government.


BTW He should give his secratary a raise. A man worth tens of billions of dollars can afford to pay her more than 60k

[A.J.]

BTW He should give his secratary a raise. A man worth tens of billions of dollars can afford to pay her more than 60k

Is 60K even considered a "livable wage"?

[StanUpshaw]

Remember this is Nebraska we're talking about. She's shitting in high cotton.

[Syd]

Exactly.!!!! When he dies hes leaving his fortune to Bill and Melinda Gates' charity. So buffett deep down believes that the private sector is better to distribute his wealth than the government.

He probably doesn't want 60% of his fortune going toward DoD funding

[WRESTLINGFAN]

White house Denies guns going to Mexico but this proves them wrong


http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/katiepavlich/FastandFuriousMap.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A lot of these self hating billionaires are supposed to be smart, initiative and leaders. If they feel that they should pay more, do they really need gov't telling them to pay more? If they can write a check to some charity without someone else telling them to do so then they can take upon themselves on sending more to the treasury.


Amazing how Buffett is portrayed as some grandfatherly type aww shucks midwest values person. He didnt get to his level by that image. Im sure hes fucked over many people to get to where he is today.

[spoon]

A lot of these self hating billionaires are supposed to be smart, initiative and leaders. If they feel that they should pay more, do they really need gov't telling them to pay more? If they can write a check to some charity without someone else telling them to do so then they can take upon themselves on sending more to the treasury.


Amazing how Buffett is portrayed as some grandfatherly type aww shucks midwest values person. He didnt get to his level by that image. Im sure hes fucked over many people to get to where he is today.

Yes just toss the money at a broken system rather than impact it. Also, very scientific breakdown on how you're "sure hes fucked over many people to get to where he is today". That's the problem with anyone that dares open their mouth about policy, prepare to get flamed based on whims, and ripped apart for not shutting up and just handing out your money to the fed. How stupid is this whole line of reasoning?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes just toss the money at a broken system rather than impact it. Also, very scientific breakdown on how you're "sure hes fucked over many people to get to where he is today". That's the problem with anyone that dares open their mouth about policy, prepare to get flamed based on whims, and ripped apart for not shutting up and just handing out your money to the fed. How stupid is this whole line of reasoning?


Buffett opened himself up when he said his secretary pays a higher rate when he pays 15% on dividends and capital gains. He wasn't being truthful. Plus he still owes something like 1 billion in back taxes. So the Oracle of Omaha is a fucking fraud

[spoon]

Buffett opened himself up when he said his secretary pays a higher rate when he pays 15% on dividends and capital gains. He wasn't being truthful. Plus he still owes something like 1 billion in back taxes. So the Oracle of Omaha is a fucking fraud

you say shit as if we haven't all heard the same tired lines echo'd all day by your favs

you'll fire back to stop claiming this, but it's fucking true. you're a parrot of those shitty programs and it's so sad

have a discussion

is he right about the tax rates in that scenario or not? as I see it, he is.

the back taxes has zero to do with this situation, not to mention he'd be arrested if he was dodging taxes in any illegal way. if he owes it legitimately it'll be paid, bc unlike most in this country he does have the money to pay his debts.

so tell me more about the "oracle of obama" as you claim to be balanced in your outlook on each topic while adding clearly unbiased phrases like that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fuck the talkers. I researched Buffets tax problems on my own. You're the parrot that brings up bumper sticker shit like talk radio


Buffett wants to contribute to the treasury nothings stopping him.

Let him start a movement to encourage his rich buddies to pay more on their own.


In the meantime the old fool should quit being a deadbeat and pay the fuck up

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Buffett is still battling his tax dispute going back to 2002. If he cares so much about taxes he would have sent in a check already

[spoon]

Fuck the talkers. I researched Buffets tax problems on my own. You're the parrot that brings up bumper sticker shit like talk radio


Buffett wants to contribute to the treasury nothings stopping him.

Let him start a movement to encourage his rich buddies to pay more on their own.


In the meantime the old fool should quit being a deadbeat and pay the fuck up

You're so full of shit on both topics. First off, it's EXACTLY what every talker says, you added NOTHING with your "research" on the situation. Second, nothing stops him but common sense. He's but a mere drop in the bucket of our debt, reform of the broken system is the fix and he's trying to chime in to help that cause at his own financial expense. My comments aren't bumper stickers either, unless you want to cover your entire bumper, trunk and back window. I admittedly listen to both the left (WABC & Fox) and the right (Real Time and MSN) and weigh both perspectives. However, one is usually loaded with bullshit logic and "facts" leaning heavily on twisting everything in an effort to continue raping the middle class and system as Syd pointed out earlier, versus the other just taking it on the chin bc the give out entitlements. Sure both are HUGE chunks of the debt issue right now, but at least one helps those in fucking need, even if they need to be reassessed. But unions, fannie mae/freddie mac are hardly the issue in this country as we speak, it's the incredible imbalance and lack of true voice/action for the common US citizen. Welcome to Corporate Hell. Fuck the military industrial complex, bc it's not even that damn specific any longer.

[spoon]

Buffett is still battling his tax dispute going back to 2002. If he cares so much about taxes he would have sent in a check already

Now you are doing this "research" by the way. Anyone seeing your posts can figure this out. "If he cares so much about taxes" ...?? That's just fucking stupid. He runs a business and is disputing areas in which his businesses and investments were taxed or trying to be taxed based on current laws during that timeline. Why would any business just hand off profit bc they care about the tax code of a country? It's fucking comical that this is the basis on why a guy shouldn't have a voice or to marginalize his valid points. He cares so much as to change the root of the problem at hand, not step around it in one myopic scenario.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So I didn't google Warren Buffett and taxes on my own?

You want to talk taxes what about Ge in which their CEO is on Obamas economic team not having any tax liability. Wanna talk more corporatism? Let's look at GM another Obama favorite lying that they paid their loans back when that payment came from an escrow account.


Fannie and Freddie are in the secondary market and are still asking for billions because they are posting losses every quarter.


You still can't put in your head that the 47 % should pay something. They're no better than you . This administration wants everyone with skin in the game and pay their fair share that must include them too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Now you are doing this "research" by the way. Anyone seeing your posts can figure this out. "If he cares so much about taxes" ...?? That's just fucking stupid. He runs a business and is disputing areas in which his businesses and investments were taxed or trying to be taxed based on current laws during that timeline. Why would any business just hand off profit bc they care about the tax code of a country? It's fucking comical that this is the basis on why a guy shouldn't have a voice or to marginalize his valid points. He cares so much as to change the root of the problem at hand, not step around it in one myopic scenario.


He runs many businesses and he wants higher taxes because the core of his businesses is insurance. Higher taxes means more profits for him.


He's playing the gullible people as fools and they are falling for his half truths

[spoon]

So I didn't google Warren Buffett and taxes on my own?

You want to talk taxes what about Ge in which their CEO is on Obamas economic team not having any tax liability. Wanna talk more corporatism? Let's look at GM another Obama favorite lying that they paid their loans back when that payment came from an escrow account.


Fannie and Freddie are in the secondary market and are still asking for billions because they are posting losses every quarter.


You still can't put in your head that the 47 % should pay something. They're no better than you . This administration wants everyone with skin in the game and pay their fair share that must include them too.

No, i don't want to talk about another company in a discussion about Buffet. Not sure why, but you consistently do this bullshit, and it's not effective at all. No let's not talk more corporatism, bc it's also not the discussion.

Yes, wf you did google Buffet, just now as you look at your fav sites as well for what to say. Hell, at times you only post links and not even disguise the fact you lean on others for your views. Bt your sources, ridiculous cartoons and parroting of the talkers it's fucking comical. You even employ the same technique StanUp pointed out months ago as a debating style (forgot the name) bc you stand on shaky ground with almost every spoon fed argument you touch on.

So let's not add 40 more topics to the one on hand at the moment. Just try this for once, focus with counterpoints to the topic at hand not contrived from biased sources and as you put it, "the talkers". Shock me and have an independent thought on said topic, not some random extrapolation.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You brought up corporations . I bring up a counterpoint. That's how debates work


Back to Buffett. He's nothing but a fraud. He bitches about taxes but he wants to keep as much as he wants. Same with the rest of the self haters. They all want everyone else to pony up while they pay their lawyers and accountants to find every loophole and shelter


Buffett belongs to that club

[spoon]

already covered

[spoon]

there is also a difference bt bringing up corporate issues overall with the tax code as it pertains to the discussion versus fully changing the whole conversation to yet another talking point from your talker/cyber fuckfest. in fact, why not just make a list and just cut and paste it in every thread on obama with cartoons and cut out the middleman. bc truly, ge, fannie mae/fredddie mac, goldman sachs surely explains why buffet's argument that tax loopholes should be nixed, the cuts negated and the system overhauled right? oh wait, 47% right down the middle of the plate coming

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is a thread about how Obama is the worst President ever . It doesn't just cover tax policy. There's also his huge fuckups over the economy the illegal war in Libya . The cronyism and lies, the fast and furious scandal , his shredding of the constitution and overall failure of a presidency.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is 60K even considered a "livable wage"?



To some that's considered living it up

[spoon]

This is a thread about how Obama is the worst President ever . It doesn't just cover tax policy. There's also his huge fuckups over the economy the illegal war in Libya . The cronyism and lies, the fast and furious scandal , his shredding of the constitution and overall failure of a presidency.

so in a discussion in the MLB thread on the yankee game specifically a point on the sox, pitching coaches and the DH in the NL are pertinent?

I give up...again.

Udog will be yelling at me for this too. Thanks for getting me in trouble WF. Why? I'm pretty sure I just got on PB for this the other day too! Fuck me!

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so in a discussion in the MLB thread on the yankee game specifically a point on the sox, pitching coaches and the DH in the NL are pertinent?

I give up...again.

Udog will be yelling at me for this too. Thanks for getting me in trouble WF. Why? I'm pretty sure I just got on PB for this the other day too! Fuck me!

:wallbash:

Taxes are just one point of this thread. It's an important issue but not the only one

There are other serious issues also

Buffett feels bad he doesn't pay much. The simple solution is that he makes an example and pays up. He can set the example and be the hero because he did it on his own

[spoon]

Taxes are just one point of this thread. It's an important issue but not the only one

There are other serious issues also

Buffett feels bad he doesn't pay much. The simple solution is that he makes an example and pays up. He can set the example and be the hero because he did it on his own

but it was the topic we were discussing, not all 50+ in this thread simultaneously or out of the blue

now onto my point on soup kitchens

:surrender:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

but it was the topic we were discussing, not all 50+ in this thread simultaneously or out of the blue

now onto my point on soup kitchens

:surrender:

Buffett can be the hero. He can buy ad time and ask his brethren to send to the IRS