Obama - Worst President Ever?

[StanUpshaw]

Maybe if the dirtbag reps would be on board with taxing companies that outsource..

More jobs would come back here.

Yeah...that's about the stupidest thing we could do.

[Dude!]

Yeah...that's about the stupidest thing we could do.

is he talking about the jobs
clinton sent overseas?

[StanUpshaw]

Yay! Trade discussions!

:wallbash:

[Crispy123]

is he talking about the jobs
clinton sent overseas?

free trade is not the same as outsourcing.

[Dude!]

free trade is not the same as outsourcing.

if you lost your
job because of it,
it is

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The magic of 2008 seems so far away....


"An African-American woman who described herself as a chief financial officer, a mother and a military veteran said she was disappointed that Mr. Obama had not lived up to her once-lofty expectations.

“I’m exhausted of defending you, defending your administration. … I’m deeply disappointed where we are right now,” she said, adding that when she voted for Mr. Obama, she thought he would change Washington. “I’m waiting, sir. I’m waiting. I don’t feel it yet. … Is this my new reality?”

Moments later, a young man offered a similar theme. He noted that the president had ignited a wave of inspiration for young people and students.

“That inspiration is dying away,” he said. “It feels like the American dream is not attainable for a lot of us. … Is the American dream dead for me?”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/disappointed-supporters-question-obama/

[Dudeman]

The magic of 2008 seems so far away....


"An African-American woman who described herself as a chief financial officer, a mother and a military veteran said she was disappointed that Mr. Obama had not lived up to her once-lofty expectations.

“I’m exhausted of defending you, defending your administration. … I’m deeply disappointed where we are right now,” she said, adding that when she voted for Mr. Obama, she thought he would change Washington. “I’m waiting, sir. I’m waiting. I don’t feel it yet. … Is this my new reality?”

Moments later, a young man offered a similar theme. He noted that the president had ignited a wave of inspiration for young people and students.

“That inspiration is dying away,” he said. “It feels like the American dream is not attainable for a lot of us. … Is the American dream dead for me?”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/disappointed-supporters-question-obama/

Yet none of that justifies the policies of palin, o'donnell, rand, Bush, Cheney, etc better options.

[Barnaby Jones]

The magic of 2008 seems so far away....


"An African-American woman who described herself as a chief financial officer, a mother and a military veteran said she was disappointed that Mr. Obama had not lived up to her once-lofty expectations.

“I’m exhausted of defending you, defending your administration. … I’m deeply disappointed where we are right now,” she said, adding that when she voted for Mr. Obama, she thought he would change Washington. “I’m waiting, sir. I’m waiting. I don’t feel it yet. … Is this my new reality?”

Moments later, a young man offered a similar theme. He noted that the president had ignited a wave of inspiration for young people and students.

“That inspiration is dying away,” he said. “It feels like the American dream is not attainable for a lot of us. … Is the American dream dead for me?”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/disappointed-supporters-question-obama/

Boo-hoo, people who expect everything to be fixed in less than two years are a bunch of saps! Americans have absolutely zero patience to go along with their typically low IQ's!

[A.J.]

Boo-hoo, people who expect everything to be fixed in less than two years are a bunch of saps! Americans have absolutely zero patience to go along with their typically low IQ's!

What are you talking about??? We reformed the Intelligence Community and brought democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq in half the time!!!! Any longer would have been unacceptable!!!

Where's your can-do spirit???

[TripleSkeet]

The magic of 2008 seems so far away....


"An African-American woman who described herself as a chief financial officer, a mother and a military veteran said she was disappointed that Mr. Obama had not lived up to her once-lofty expectations.

“I’m exhausted of defending you, defending your administration. … I’m deeply disappointed where we are right now,” she said, adding that when she voted for Mr. Obama, she thought he would change Washington. “I’m waiting, sir. I’m waiting. I don’t feel it yet. … Is this my new reality?”

Moments later, a young man offered a similar theme. He noted that the president had ignited a wave of inspiration for young people and students.

“That inspiration is dying away,” he said. “It feels like the American dream is not attainable for a lot of us. … Is the American dream dead for me?”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/disappointed-supporters-question-obama/

Sounds like typical rubes to me. Im surprised they arent Teabaggers.

[Barnaby Jones]

What are you talking about??? We reformed the Intelligence Community and brought democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq in half the time!!!! Any longer would have been unacceptable!!!

Where's your can-do spirit???

U-S-A! U-S-A!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sounds like typical rubes to me. Im surprised they arent Teabaggers.

The woman was an Obama supporter and voted for him. Now you O'Bots are beginning to eat your own. I bet this woman wasn't prescreened because she is a black woman and they thought it would be an automatic softball question.


You people are like trained seals. The same old rhetoric when Obama is challenged, rubes, Hell, call the woman a racist while youre at it teabaggers, fox news. So god damned predictable

[Kevin]

is he talking about the jobs
clinton sent overseas?



Yea, fuck trying to fix mistakes..

That
would
be
stupid.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yet none of that justifies the policies of palin, o'donnell, rand, Bush, Cheney, etc better options.

Ayn Rand isn't running for anything. Bush was a fiscal idiot like Obama is. Palin and O'Donnell are sideshow acts.


If there were more Ron Pauls then things would actually start to change.

[Kevin]

Ayn Rand isn't running for anything. Bush was a fiscal idiot like Obama is. Palin and O'Donnell are sideshow acts.


If there were more Ron Pauls then things would actually start to change.



Yea, we would go right back to fucking shit up.

[booster11373]

Ayn Rand isn't running for anything. Bush was a fiscal idiot like Obama is. Palin and O'Donnell are sideshow acts.


If there were more Ron Pauls then things would actually start to change.

He was referring to Rand Paul

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea, we would go right back to fucking shit up.

How?

There would be no Iraq wars, warrentless wiretaps, torture, the fed would be audited, the empire would be reduced drastically. Our fiscal situation would be in much better shape.

You don't support any of those measures?

[Furtherman]

You don't support any of those measures?

No, we don't.

:dry:

You're not fooling anyone.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No, we don't.

:dry:

You're not fooling anyone.

NEOCON!!!!!!!:furious:

Don't you have a column to write up for the Weekly Standard ?

[Kevin]

How?

There would be no Iraq wars, warrentless wiretaps, torture, the fed would be audited, the empire would be reduced drastically. Our fiscal situation would be in much better shape.

You don't support any of those measures?



And if he does not do those things in a year and a half, would you consider him a failure?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And if he does not do those things in a year and a half, would you consider him a failure?

I will concede that Ron Paul will never get elected. Unfortunately Americans are dumb voters, they fall for the better celebrity Politician be it Palin or Obama or someone they would have a burger & beer with like Dubya

[Kevin]

I will concede that Ron Paul will never get elected. Unfortunately Americans are dumb voters, they fall for the better celebrity Politician be it Palin or Obama or someone they would have a burger & beer with like Dubya



That was not my question.

Answer my question.

If he did not do all of those thing within a year and a half of his presidency, would you consider him a failure?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That was not my question.

Answer my question.

If he did not do all of those thing within a year and a half of his presidency, would you consider him a failure?

On the specifics that he would promise and campaign for? Yes

Just like 41 said when he stated No New Taxes. He failed on that.

Now I ask you. Do you think Ron Paul actually would get elected ? Many in his own party view him as an outsider

[Kevin]

On the specifics that he would promise and campaign for? Yes

Just like 41 said when he stated No New Taxes. He failed on that.

Now I ask you. Do you think Ron Paul actually would get elected ? Many in his own party view him as an outsider



Maybe if he went Dem he would.

But prob not.

And giving a person just a year and a half to fix a big mess is not realistic.

A term is 4 years not a year and a half.

I like to give a guy three years.

If he does not make progress by then, then yea, he is a failed prez.

The Fourth year no Prez does shit but campaign for the next election.

Ideally, he should have gotten most of his shit done by Yr 3, in order for him to use that in his Re Election plan.

[Dudeman]

I will concede that Ron Paul will never get elected. Unfortunately Americans are dumb voters, they fall for the better celebrity Politician be it Palin or Obama or someone they would have a burger & beer with like Dubya

One of the many simplistic general viewpts of paul is the desire to remove the government's role in oversight. The PG&E gasline explosion in CA, the gulf oil spill, the west virginia mine disaster were all private companies who didn't have the market force pushing them to maintain safety standards. Its not a matter of the alternative- having the goverment run each of these businesses (although some might even push for that), it is a matter of having good goverment oversight- and that requires taxes and a bureaucracy. This idea can be extrapolated to other areas (ie. public education). In the end, this idea of trying to pull the government out of everthying except defense is naive and simplistic.

[Dudeman]

Maybe if he went Dem he would.

But prob not.

And giving a person just a year and a half to fix a big mess is not realistic.

A term is 4 years not a year and a half.

I like to give a guy three years.

If he does not make progress by then, then yea, he is a failed prez.

The Fourth year no Prez does shit but campaign for the next election.

Ideally, he should have gotten most of his shit done by Yr 3, in order for him to use that in his Re Election plan.

That, and the alternative has to be better... not a bush/palin/huckabee/paul/jindal like alternative.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe if he went Dem he would.

But prob not.

And giving a person just a year and a half to fix a big mess is not realistic.

A term is 4 years not a year and a half.

I like to give a guy three years.

If he does not make progress by then, then yea, he is a failed prez.

The Fourth year no Prez does shit but campaign for the next election.

Ideally, he should have gotten most of his shit done by Yr 3, in order for him to use that in his Re Election plan.


The biggest factor is the economy. While Iraq/Afghanistan are important they do not compare to the economy. Many economists on both sides state that unemployment levels will not go down to reasonable levels say 5% in the coming years.

Lets say if we are at 8.5% more likely Obama is a 1 termer. However if OBL is caught then with high unemployment chances are he gets re elected.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

All this talk about oversight and there is very little call for an oversight of the Fed. The main cause of bubbles and bursts. This is such a secretative institution where it's issuing a fiat currency. In almost 100 years of existance there has never been an audit


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[Kevin]

That, and the alternative has to be better... not a bush/palin/huckabee/paul/jindal like alternative.



If there is a better alt to Obama as a Rep and Obama has not made progress, then yes, i would absoloutly vote for him/her.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Someone with a R next to their name doesnt make them a better candidate automatically. As they would probably want creation centered books endorsed by the dept of education. I say abolish it all together.

I dont want marginal rates back to 39% or staying at 35%. Get rid of the income tax.

Enough with the intervening everywhere. Not everyone wants a Jeffersonian Democracy. As far as military operations/wars can we please get congress to have a declaration?

[TripleSkeet]

The woman was an Obama supporter and voted for him. Now you O'Bots are beginning to eat your own. I bet this woman wasn't prescreened because she is a black woman and they thought it would be an automatic softball question.


You people are like trained seals. The same old rhetoric when Obama is challenged, rubes, Hell, call the woman a racist while youre at it teabaggers, fox news. So god damned predictable

I thought you would be happy. You finally found a person that thought Obama was the messiah and going to fix everything with a snap of his fingers, and I called her a rube. Basically agreeing with you.

I didnt call her a rube because she was against Obama now. I called her one because she was dumb enough to think him, or ANYONE for that matter could fix this shit pot we call a country in 2 years.

See I actually agree that those that think he walks on water are fucking morons, but that doesnt mean that most people think that way. Just like people that vote republican because they really believe they are going to someday outlaw abortion...also fucking retards.

[epo]

Someone with a R next to their name doesnt make them a better candidate automatically. As they would probably want creation centered books endorsed by the dept of education. I say abolish it all together.

I dont want marginal rates back to 39% or staying at 35%. Get rid of the income tax.

Enough with the intervening everywhere. Not everyone wants a Jeffersonian Democracy. As far as military operations/wars can we please get congress to have a declaration?

Gee...let's get rid of the income tax for a consumption tax? Are you one of those people?

[epo]

Ayn Rand isn't running for anything. Bush was a fiscal idiot like Obama is. Palin and O'Donnell are sideshow acts.


If there were more Ron Pauls then things would actually start to change.

Blacks would be at the back of the bus again?

[Dudeman]

Blacks would be at the back of the bus again?

no silly. he and his son would just through out simplistic overarching principles about government that would include abolishing the civil rights act, but then when specifically questioned about it, would realize it is necessary. youd see that with many governmental roles in society.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no silly. he and his son would just through out simplistic overarching principles about government that would include abolishing the civil rights act, but then when specifically questioned about it, would realize it is necessary. youd see that with many governmental roles in society.

Oh sure and churches would be set ablazed.
There would be back alley abortions too.

If I owned a restaurant across the street from someone who was dumb enough to refuse to serve blacks, my business would go thru the roof and his would barely survive. I'd tell him to refuse who he wants. i WOULD BE THE ONE MORE SUCCESSFUL.

[Syd]

Gee...let's get rid of the income tax for a consumption tax? Are you one of those people?

Consumption tax is a far right / far left thing. One of those weird Venn diagram overlaps. Left is on board because it lowers the tax burden and forces people to think about buying used instead of buying new. Right is on board for the simplified tax code / smaller government.

While consumption taxes/sales taxes are generally regressive, you can safeguard against that by exempting items from the tax and providing credits for those at/below/marginally above the poverty line state-by-state.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Gee...let's get rid of the income tax for a consumption tax? Are you one of those people?

It would not be regressive. Basic necessities like groceries would not be taxed.

[Kevin]

Oh sure and churches would be set ablazed.
There would be back alley abortions too.

If I owned a restaurant across the street from someone who was dumb enough to refuse to serve blacks, my business would go thru the roof and his would barely survive. I'd tell him to refuse who he wants. i WOULD BE THE ONE MORE SUCCESSFUL.



What if that guy burns down your resturant for serving black people?

[Dudeman]

What if that guy burns down your resturant for serving black people?

he'd sew them. oh wait, he hates (jewish) lawyers.

don't worry. everything will take care of itself- like companies running the gulf oil spill, pg&e running the gas lines through residential communities, and guys running the west virginia mine.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

he'd sew them. oh wait, he hates (jewish) lawyers.

don't worry. everything will take care of itself- like companies running the gulf oil spill, pg&e running the gas lines through residential communities, and guys running the west virginia mine.

If hes getting a limited clientele he wouldn't have much assets.

I'd collect the insurance money and retire.


We have all these agencies like the SEC and there are still financial disasters. FDA and still recalls of food. Theres the MMA and still the BP oil rig exploded.

How many different intelligence agencies are there and it took some alert passengers to stop a would be terrorist on Christmas day.

[Dudeman]

If hes getting a limited clientele he wouldn't have much assets.

I'd collect the insurance money and retire.


We have all these agencies like the SEC and there are still financial disasters. FDA and still recalls of food. Theres the MMA and still the BP oil rig exploded.

How many different intelligence agencies are there and it took some alert passengers to stop a would be terrorist on Christmas day.

making them better, not getting rid of them is the answer

[epo]

Gee...let's get rid of the income tax for a consumption tax? Are you one of those people?

It would not be regressive. Basic necessities like groceries would not be taxed.

Could you be any more obvious?

[TripleSkeet]

Oh sure and churches would be set ablazed.
There would be back alley abortions too.

If I owned a restaurant across the street from someone who was dumb enough to refuse to serve blacks, my business would go thru the roof and his would barely survive. I'd tell him to refuse who he wants. i WOULD BE THE ONE MORE SUCCESSFUL.

As a bartender though Id wanna work for the other guy. Sorry man but I work for tips.

[Barnaby Jones]

In the end, this idea of trying to pull the government out of everthying except defense is naive and simplistic.

Have you met WF before?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here's a book from that racist teabagging Bob Woodward exposing Obamas incompetency concerning Afghanistan


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0910/The_Woodward_rollout.html?showall

[Willmore]

Here's a book from that racist teabagging Bob Woodward exposing Obamas incompetency concerning Afghanistan


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0910/The_Woodward_rollout.html?showall

Where's the book? You linked to an op-ed piece hypothesizing about what the book might be, not what it is.

[Willmore]

Some of the "revelations":

• Obama's special envoy, Richard Holbrooke, is quoted saying the Afghan policy "can't work". The vice-president, Joe Biden, describes Obama's special envoy to Afghanistan, Richard Holbrooke, as "the most egotistical bastard I've ever met".


If you've ever heard Holbrooke speak, you already know that he is the most egotistical bastard ever. Unfortunately, he's also the highest profile expert on the regional geo-politics, so he's the guy with the job.


• Karzai is alleged to be suffering from manic depression and taking medication. Woodward quotes Karl Eikenberry, the US ambassador, as saying: "He's on his meds, he's off his meds."


Karzai is crazy? I'm shocked, seriously, who could have seen this coming?


• The CIA has set up a 3,000-man Afghan paramilitary unit for covert cross-border operations, including assassinations, against al-Qaida and Taliban havens, not only in Afghanistan but in Pakistan.


Cool. Pakistan might be slightly pissed, but I'm fine with it.


• US intelligence told Obama that Pakistan is not a reliable partner in the Afghan conflict. The president is quoted as saying: "We need to make clear to people that the cancer is in Pakistan."

Yeah, we knew this, and Obama is playing politics with the issue, just as Pakistan is doing the same thing internally. And people wonder why America is seen as the big bad wolf in the rest of the world.

[Barnaby Jones]

Does WF ever actually read anything he posts?!?!?!?!?

[Dudeman]

Does WF ever actually read anything he posts?!?!?!?!?

his vote counts as much as yours :sad:

[CurseoftheBambi]

^^
and that's the scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrry thinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg! :eek:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

his vote counts as much as yours :sad:

Unfortunately you kool aid drinkers cancel out votes of people who actually can see that this president is just as bad as his predecessor

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Some of the "revelations":



If you've ever heard Holbrooke speak, you already know that he is the most egotistical bastard ever. Unfortunately, he's also the highest profile expert on the regional geo-politics, so he's the guy with the job.



Karzai is crazy? I'm shocked, seriously, who could have seen this coming?



Cool. Pakistan might be slightly pissed, but I'm fine with it.



Yeah, we knew this, and Obama is playing politics with the issue, just as Pakistan is doing the same thing internally. And people wonder why America is seen as the big bad wolf in the rest of the world.

Still making excuses for BHO i see. When Holbrook says it cant work its a fucking failure.

Notice that there are no cries of war criminal regarding Obama as his drone attacks also killed scores of civilians. This is the deadliest year for troops in Afghanistan so how is this glorious commander in chief doing a stellar job?

[Barnaby Jones]

WF up to his usual tricks! He tries to spin it as if people are "making excuses" for Obama instead of just annihilating and mocking the crappiness of his sources and arguments! Obama's been a mediocre president at best, but WF even fails at being able to show that!

[TripleSkeet]

WF up to his usual tricks! He tries to spin it as if people are "making excuses" for Obama instead of just annihilating and mocking the crappiness of his sources and arguments! Obama's been a mediocre president at best, but WF even fails at being able to show that!

Thats the part that makes me laugh. Like...even if he did an AWFUL job...all that means is he came in when the country was in the toilet, ansd left it the same way. Where Bush came in when this country was on top of the world, and in 8 years buried it in a sea of shit. Even if Obama does NOTHING, I still dont regret him being elected.

[StanUpshaw]

Are you kidding? I'd PRAY for nothing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF up to his usual tricks! He tries to spin it as if people are "making excuses" for Obama instead of just annihilating and mocking the crappiness of his sources and arguments! Obama's been a mediocre president at best, but WF even fails at being able to show that!

Mocking what? This President was built up by being the man who would be transformative and different from everyone else.

Are you that sensitive that this President can not be criticized?

Warrantless wiretaps, torture and rendition are still going on. XE Formerly Blackwater are still getting huge contracts, yet the cocksuckers in the media are virtually silent on this.

[Barnaby Jones]

Yup, he's doing it again! Making up things nobody here is arguing! When in doubt, just pull shit out of your ass, eh, WF?

[A.J.]

Yep: Jimmy Carter all over again. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/05/AR2010100505985.html)

[booster11373]

Yep: Jimmy Carter all over again. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/05/AR2010100505985.html)

Solar energy! thats crazy. The Sun goes away every night who can be sure It will rise in the morning. I wonder have they tried drilling under the White house there could be dozens of barrels of oil just waiting

DRILL BABY DRILL

[A.J.]

The only thing under the White House are rats the size of a puppy.

[booster11373]

The only thing under the White House are rats the size of a puppy.

And some of Nixon's dead hookers

[A.J.]

And some of Nixon's dead hookers

"You! Kennedy. You looked so good all the time. They're gonna find out about you, too. The president! Having sex with women within these very walls. That never happened when Dick Nixon was in the White House! Never! Never! Never!.. "

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/pics/75snixon3.jpg

[booster11373]

"You! Kennedy. You looked so good all the time. They're gonna find out about you, too. The president! Having sex with women within these very walls. That never happened when Dick Nixon was in the White House! Never! Never! Never!.. "

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/pics/75snixon3.jpg

He never had sex with them he just killed them to quiet the screaming

[StanUpshaw]

Solar energy! thats crazy. The Sun goes away every night who can be sure It will rise in the morning. I wonder have they tried drilling under the White house there could be dozens of barrels of oil just waiting

DRILL BABY DRILL

Someone took their annoying pills this morning.

[Zorro]

Solar energy! thats crazy. The Sun goes away every night who can be sure It will rise in the morning. I wonder have they tried drilling under the White house there could be dozens of barrels of oil just waiting

DRILL BABY DRILL

Ok wiseguy...what happens when the Chinese build a synthetic moon they use to block the sun. How's the white house gonna turn on its light s then?

[booster11373]

That's no moon! Its is a chinese space station

[booster11373]

Annoying pills provided by obamacare

[angrymissy]

Yep: Jimmy Carter all over again. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/05/AR2010100505985.html)

Why the fuck were they removed in the first place?

[A.J.]

Why the fuck were they removed in the first place?

The 70s energy crisis ended by then.

[StanUpshaw]

http://imgur.com/Jzvrh.png

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack O Carter


http://townhall.com/cartoons/cartoonist/MichaelRamirez/2010/10/1

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The guy who set up the podium was probably some teabagger


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/10/05/obama_loses_presidential_seal_all_of_you_know_who_ i_am.html

[TripleSkeet]

The guy who set up the podium was probably some teabagger


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/10/05/obama_loses_presidential_seal_all_of_you_know_who_ i_am.html

THAT MUST BE A SIGN FROM GOD!!!11!!1!!

[Dude!]

THAT MUST BE A SIGN FROM GOD!!!11!!1!!

Praise Allah!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack Hussein Dubya Obama


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/science/earth/07spill.html?_r=1

[TripleSkeet]

Barack Hussein Dubya Obama


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/science/earth/07spill.html?_r=1

Man youre reaching.

[PapaBear]

Barack O Carter


http://townhall.com/cartoons/cartoonist/MichaelRamirez/2010/10/1
You know... Bush had them, too. CNN said it was Dubya, but I think it was actually HW.

[StanUpshaw]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1365056/

Somebody made a fucking movie about the solar panels. :wacko:

[Bob Impact]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1365056/

Somebody made a fucking movie about the solar panels. :wacko:

That has got to be just thrilling.

[PapaBear]

That has got to be just thrilling.
I wanted to look into the "spoilers", but I'm afraid I might not be able to hold myself back from posting them.

[Bob Impact]

I wanted to look into the "spoilers", but I'm afraid I might not be able to hold myself back from posting them.

Aw hell I'll do it.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[A.J.]

Barack Hussein Dubya Obama


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/science/earth/07spill.html?_r=1

Barack Obama doesn't care about pelicans.

[LordJezo]

At the gym one of the dudes was telling me how his son, 7th grade, is completely freaked out over FEMA camps. He is telling him he needs to do good in school so he will be brought into the elites and protect his family in the coming war.

I was told that the Vietnam War, along with WWI and II were simply population reduction events coordinated by those who run the world and the current terrorist attacks are nothing more than the same thing.

[StanUpshaw]

At the gym one of the dudes was telling me how his son, 7th grade, is completely freaked out over FEMA camps. He is telling him he needs to do good in school so he will be brought into the elites and protect his family in the coming war.

I was told that the Vietnam War, along with WWI and II were simply population reduction events coordinated by those who run the world and the current terrorist attacks are nothing more than the same thing.

kay

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack Obama doesn't care about pelicans.

Or white fishermen

[Willmore]

At the gym one of the dudes was telling me how his son, 7th grade, is completely freaked out over FEMA camps. He is telling him he needs to do good in school so he will be brought into the elites and protect his family in the coming war.

I was told that the Vietnam War, along with WWI and II were simply population reduction events coordinated by those who run the world and the current terrorist attacks are nothing more than the same thing.

Epic fucking fail.

1910: 1.75 bil
1920: 1.86 bil
1940: 2.3 bil
1950: 2.52 bil
1960: 3.04 bil
1970: 3.71 bil
2010: 6.85 bil

[LordJezo]

Epic fucking fail.

1910: 1.75 bil
1920: 1.86 bil
1940: 2.3 bil
1950: 2.52 bil
1960: 3.04 bil
1970: 3.71 bil
2010: 6.85 bil

I will bring this up to him on Monday.

[Serpico1103]

I will bring this up to him on Monday.

Lats and tris?

[Syd]

Lats and tris?

I think the lizardmen elite who run the nation prefer glutes and pecs but who knows for sure with them

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The skirts are starting to abandon him. Let me guess Obama supporter will pull a boardwalk empire and say "Theres your womens vote for you"


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43436.html

[Barnaby Jones]

The skirts are starting to abandon him. Let me guess Obama supporter will pull a boardwalk empire and say "Theres your womens vote for you"


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43436.html

A majority of women, however, see it as a failure, according to a new poll conducted by Kellyanne Conway for The Kitchen Cabinet, a conservative women’s group.

WHOOPSIE-DOODLES! Oh, silly WF!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WHOOPSIE-DOODLES! Oh, silly WF!

Selective reading I see


In the survey, 41 percent of the women identified themselves as Democrats, 37 percent as Republicans and 15 percent as independents.

[Barnaby Jones]

He posts an obvious outlier poll as proof of his silly declaration and then accuses others of being selective! Might want to rethink trumpeting Obama's downfall with one of his strongest segments of supporters when all you've got to back it up is an outlier poll from a conservative think tank!

There's scores of polls out there that show an obvious trend of Obama having middling polling numbers yet WF falls all over himself to slobber on the one cherry picked by Politico that obviously sticks out like a sore thumb from the collected data!

[TripleSkeet]

At the gym one of the dudes was telling me how his son, 7th grade, is completely freaked out over FEMA camps. He is telling him he needs to do good in school so he will be brought into the elites and protect his family in the coming war.

I was told that the Vietnam War, along with WWI and II were simply population reduction events coordinated by those who run the world and the current terrorist attacks are nothing more than the same thing.

When you post something like this, do you have to stop halfway through because you are laughing so hard? "the coming war" :lol::lol::lol:

Oh and that WW2 population reduction worked out great huh? Do yourself a favor...Google "Baby Boomers".

[LordJezo]

When you post something like this, do you have to stop halfway through because you are laughing so hard? "the coming war" :lol::lol::lol:

Oh and that WW2 population reduction worked out great huh? Do yourself a favor...Google "Baby Boomers".

What is there to laugh about? You liberals laugh about it all but there is some nasty shit going on out there.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He posts an obvious outlier poll as proof of his silly declaration and then accuses others of being selective! Might want to rethink trumpeting Obama's downfall with one of his strongest segments of supporters when all you've got to back it up is an outlier poll from a conservative think tank!

There's scores of polls out there that show an obvious trend of Obama having middling polling numbers yet WF falls all over himself to slobber on the one cherry picked by Politico that obviously sticks out like a sore thumb from the collected data!

Again the majority of the women were Dems. Now if that group polled Conservative women and his popularity rating was 1% you would have a valid arguement.

Politico is one of the more respected political websites and is mainly non partisan. Your contined attempts to protect and coddle Obama shows that you can't grasp that the man is over his head and isn't living up to the hype

[Barnaby Jones]

Again, you're nothing but terrible at this! Op-ed pieces and outliers for WF! Hee-hee!

Like I said, there's tons of polling data that show Obama with middling or declining poll numbers! Your poll, however, is an obvious outlier coming from a group with an obvious agenda, yet you treat it as a trend! I think you honestly think the poll came from Politico (and even if it did your perception of them is, as usual, completely delusional)! Hee-hee! So funny!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Again, you're nothing but terrible at this! Op-ed pieces and outliers for WF! Hee-hee!

Like I said, there's tons of polling data that show Obama with middling or declining poll numbers! Your poll, however, is an obvious outlier coming from a group with an obvious agenda, yet you treat it as a trend! I think you honestly think the poll came from Politico (and even if it did your perception of them is, as usual, completely delusional)! Hee-hee! So funny!

Does it matter where the poll comes from? If that same group polled only black women he would have a high favorability rating. If the poll were women who agreed with Malkin or Coulter then it would be skewed the other way.

If a liberal group did the polling on the same group of people the results would be the same.



Overall you can always look at Gallup. His poll numbers are still very weak. They are the gold standard. Rasmussen skews more right.

[Barnaby Jones]

Does it matter where the poll comes from?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLL!!!!!

You never fail to knock it out of the park, WF!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLL!!!!!

You never fail to knock it out of the park, WF!!!!!

Your blind support for him is the thing that's laughable. He could punch an old lady in the stomach and you will defend him

[Serpico1103]

Your blind support for him is the thing that's laughable. He could punch an old lady in the stomach and you will defend him

Wouldn't it depend on why he punched her or is that looking to deep into it?
What if she was trying to raise taxes? Open the borders? Increase welfare payments?
If it was Nancy Pelosi would you support him?

[Barnaby Jones]

Your blind support for him is the thing that's laughable. He could punch an old lady in the stomach and you will defend him

"Blind support," yet I've pointed out twice that you can find tons of legit polling trends from much more reputable sources that show him with middling or slipping numbers, on individual issues or across the board! Keep making shit up, slappy!

[Bob Impact]

"Blind support," yet I've pointed out twice that you can find tons of legit polling trends from much more reputable sources that show him with middling or slipping numbers, on individual issues or across the board! Keep making shit up, slappy!

I actually think you're right here but what exactly did he make up?

[TripleSkeet]

What is there to laugh about? You liberals laugh about it all but there is some nasty shit going on out there.

Please. Ive been hearing people talking about "when the war comes" for 20 years now. I had a friend 15 years ago stocking up on sandbags and bottled water for "the coming war". Its passed funny now and just sad.

[Barnaby Jones]

I actually think you're right here but what exactly did he make up?

He keeps responding to anyone criticizes his posts by saying shit like they're blindly supporting Obama! It's his go-to response; if you break down his sources then he just quits and starts saying that people are "drinking Kool-Aid" and "blindly support their Messiah!" He's got zilch, so he makes up what his opposition is!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Support from Latinos have dropped like a rock. Even though its about 55% his failure to give illegals amnesty in his 1st year have turned a lot of them against him

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He keeps responding to anyone criticizes his posts by saying shit like they're blindly supporting Obama! It's his go-to response; if you break down his sources then he just quits and starts saying that people are "drinking Kool-Aid" and "blindly support their Messiah!" He's got zilch, so he makes up what his opposition is!

Making stuff up like continuing a failed war, the patriot act and inflating the defense budget to 700 billion dollars , still using private paramilitary contractors, rendition for example. Yea like thats not happening.


He was supposed to be the anti dubya

[Barnaby Jones]

He does that, too! He responds to anything he has absolutely no response to by making up a tangent that nobody was talking about! Now he'll reply asking why nobody responded to that last post of his, or he'll say that I'm just blindly supporting Obama, or he'll bring up something completely random! WF is as easy to read as the first line on an eye chart!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He does that, too! He responds to anything he has absolutely no response to by making up a tangent that nobody was talking about! Now he'll reply asking why nobody responded to that last post of his, or he'll say that I'm just blindly supporting Obama, or he'll bring up something completely random! WF is as easy to read as the first line on an eye chart!

Its obvious that youre an Obama supporter. There has got to be some things in which you can criticize him for. There is no possible way that he has done everything right. Is there any criticism from you at all?

[Barnaby Jones]

Its obvious that youre an Obama supporter. There has got to be some things in which you can criticize him for. There is no possible way that he has done everything right. Is there any criticism from you at all?

It's like he is incapable of reading what is posted! Does he have some kind of political forum dyslexia? I am truly perplexed and fascinated by this! Take this latest post: he thinks he's calling me out as an "Obama supporter," like he's cracked some kind of secret code! He then ignores the times I have voiced my displeasure with Obama's actions (though mostly over his inactions) so that he can create the pointless tangent of accusing people of not criticizing Obama! In his mind he thinks someone who isn't posting terrible sources slamming Obama at every turn must think Obama is doing a great job! Poor WF!

WF, pull in your ego! Pointing out how crappy most of your links are isn't automatically blind support for Obama!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Guess he was for shovel ready before he was against it. For weeks we heard his hacks on capitol hill promote it, as well as his handlers Axelrod and Rahm and the hacks on Capitol Hill


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20019468-503544.html#addcomm

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Silly gullible college lemmings. These naive little twits were played big time.

The poll was done by AP. Not exactly the heritage foundation


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/10/14/2010-10-14_president_barack_obamas_support_among_college_s tudents_waning_before_2010_midter.html

[Crispy123]

Silly gullible college lemmings. These naive little twits were played big time.

The poll was done by AP. Not exactly the heritage foundation


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/10/14/2010-10-14_president_barack_obamas_support_among_college_s tudents_waning_before_2010_midter.html

Against better judgement, I feeled compelled to say who gives a shit? He isn't up for reelection. Shouldn't you be focused on what people think of the Mcmans (sp)?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Against better judgement, I feeled compelled to say who gives a shit? He isn't up for reelection. Shouldn't you be focused on what people think of the Mcmans (sp)?

I have no faith in CT voters as Blumenthal will most likely win. McMahon wan't my pick. I voted for Peter Schiff in the primary but once again people always go for the celebrity

[Crispy123]

I have no faith in CT voters as Blumenthal will most likely win. McMahon wan't my pick. I voted for Peter Schiff in the primary but once again people always go for the celebrity

I agree 100%. CT voters are complete assholes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Notice Chiles president didnt point fingers, play politics or blame every one else during the Mine saga. Obama was the total opposite. Instead of waiting until it was over his administration suspends drilling, points fingers and politicizing everything. He could have accepted assistance from other countries but dithered around . Some of the equipment that rescued the miners were made in this country.

[Zorro]

Notice Chiles president didnt point fingers, play politics or blame every one else during the Mine saga. Obama was the total opposite. Instead of waiting until it was over his administration suspends drilling, points fingers and politicizing everything. He could have accepted assistance from other countries but dithered around . Some of the equipment that rescued the miners were made in this country.

His name is Pinera and I doubt you could understand a word of what he's been saying. That and the fact that all you're doing is restating Fox News Opinion piece annoys me. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/14/martin-sieff-chile-barack-obama-president-sebastian-pinera-real-man-american/

[Dudeman]

Notice Chiles president didnt point fingers, play politics or blame every one else during the Mine saga. Obama was the total opposite. Instead of waiting until it was over his administration suspends drilling, points fingers and politicizing everything. He could have accepted assistance from other countries but dithered around . Some of the equipment that rescued the miners were made in this country.

http://www.brady-quinn.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/My-Poster.jpg

[Serpico1103]

Notice Chiles president didnt point fingers, play politics or blame every one else during the Mine saga. Obama was the total opposite. Instead of waiting until it was over his administration suspends drilling, points fingers and politicizing everything. He could have accepted assistance from other countries but dithered around . Some of the equipment that rescued the miners were made in this country.

So, government assistance is a good thing? People trapped in a mine, I don't think they were forced down it, should get government assistance?
Why don't they just work harder, improve themselves, instead of relying on hand outs from their government? Why are other countries helping Chile when they have their own problems?
Typical liberal, looking to the government to solve your problems.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/v/T/3/Obama-Waterloo.jpg

[Dudeman]

So, government assistance is a good thing? People trapped in a mine, I don't think they were forced down it, should get government assistance?
Why don't they just work harder, improve themselves, instead of relying on hand outs from their government? Why are other countries helping Chile when they have their own problems?
Typical liberal, looking to the government to solve your problems.

how about paying $75 if they want the government's services?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

His name is Pinera and I doubt you could understand a word of what he's been saying. That and the fact that all you're doing is restating Fox News Opinion piece annoys me. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/14/martin-sieff-chile-barack-obama-president-sebastian-pinera-real-man-american/

The investigations of the mine disaster are going to happen. Pinera showed leadership while Obama showed incompetence

Obamas lack of leadership doen't annoy you?

Can you present a valid arguement without bringing up Fox news?

I didnt have to reference Fox. This is my analysis of how over his head Obama is. Pinera wasn't hitting the links

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, government assistance is a good thing? People trapped in a mine, I don't think they were forced down it, should get government assistance?
Why don't they just work harder, improve themselves, instead of relying on hand outs from their government? Why are other countries helping Chile when they have their own problems?
Typical liberal, looking to the government to solve your problems.

I am not an expert in Chilean affairs.

As far as BP. That was involved in Federal waters. Obama could have lifted that law that was passed in 1920. Can't recall the name of it but there was a skimmer from Hong Kong that would have sucked the oil up sooner

[WRESTLINGFAN]

how about paying $75 if they want the government's services?

You mean about 480 Chilean Pesos

http://www.exchange-rates.org/Rate/USD/CLP/10-14-2010

[Serpico1103]

I am not an expert in Chilean affairs.


Did you think this was necessary?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did you think this was necessary?

Here's an article from the WSJ


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703673604575550322091167574.html

A US company offered assistance and Chileans said Si!!!!!

[Bob Impact]

Did you think this was necessary?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Serpico1103]

Here's an article from the WSJ


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703673604575550322091167574.html

A US company offered assistance and Chileans said Si!!!!!

Do you realize almost everything you cite is an opinion piece?

An idiotic opinion piece at that.

[Serpico1103]

I am not an expert in Chilean affairs.

As far as BP. That was involved in Federal waters. Obama could have lifted that law that was passed in 1920. Can't recall the name of it but there was a skimmer from Hong Kong that would have sucked the oil up sooner

The skimmer was used. It was a failure. Jones Act? The "A Whale?"

An expert on American affairs?

The Jones Act applies to ships traveling between US ports. It didn't apply to the BP disaster. You need to be spoon fed.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you realize almost everything you cite is an opinion piece?

An idiotic opinion piece at that.

Read again!!!!

NYT must be teabaggers now

No opinion piece....

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/science/earth/07spill.html?_r=2

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The skimmer was used. It was a failure. Jones Act? The "A Whale?"

An expert on American affairs?

The Jones Act applies to ships traveling between US ports. It didn't apply to the BP disaster. You need to be spoon fed.

OK fair enough I was wrong about the Jones Act. It applies to commercial shipping.

[Jujubees2]

Notice Chiles president didnt point fingers, play politics or blame every one else during the Mine saga. Obama was the total opposite. Instead of waiting until it was over his administration suspends drilling, points fingers and politicizing everything. He could have accepted assistance from other countries but dithered around . Some of the equipment that rescued the miners were made in this country.

At the gym this morning I was talking to my buds in the sauna about who the whole mine saga was staged by the Chilian president because his polling numbers were starting to dip. They even went as far coming up with the story of the married guy's wife and mistress being there when he was rescued. Why do you think the miners aren't talking now?

[foodcourtdruide]

Notice Chiles president didnt point fingers, play politics or blame every one else during the Mine saga. Obama was the total opposite. Instead of waiting until it was over his administration suspends drilling, points fingers and politicizing everything. He could have accepted assistance from other countries but dithered around . Some of the equipment that rescued the miners were made in this country.

I'd argue that this is a bad thing. If there is an issue with mine safety, then (potential) tragedies should at least serve as catalysts for change. People who were championing off-shore drilling SHOULD have had fingers pointed at them, because it is an irresponsible and short-sighted solution to our energy problems. Perhaps this event should have urged the Chilean president to be more vocal about the safety of mine workers in his country.

This is not in defense of Obama. As I've stated several times, Obama was opening up more and more to drilling prior to the BP spill. I actually think Obama handled the spill as well as he could. I'm not quite sure what else people think he could have done. I think the right just wants to be critical of Obama for his reaction to the spill because of how poorly a republican president responded to Katrina. The solution to the oil spill would have been not to have the oil rig there to begin with. Period.

[Serpico1103]

Read again!!!!

NYT must be teabaggers now

No opinion piece....

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/science/earth/07spill.html?_r=2

Are you trying to tell me Obama isn't perfect? Blasphemy!

Try to not cite to opinion pieces anymore and use google occasionally.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Are you trying to tell me Obama isn't perfect? Blasphemy!

Try to not cite to opinion pieces anymore and use google occasionally.

Then a lot of us are guilty Ive seen links from Huff post. Salon and Media matters on posts here numerous times.

[foodcourtdruide]

Then a lot of us are guilty Ive seen links from Huff post. Salon and Media matters on posts here numerous times.

So becasue other people use bad sources, you feel validation for using bad sources?

[Serpico1103]

Then a lot of us are guilty Ive seen links from Huff post. Salon and Media matters on posts here numerous times.

There is that personal responsibility that makes this country great.
You, more than anyone else I notice, cite to articles that are opinion pieces and all often the cited material doesn't even support your opinion.

[S0S]

Why do you think the miners aren't talking now?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704300604575554552534326946.html

[Jujubees2]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704300604575554552534326946.html

Can't wait for the movie....

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can't wait for the movie....

I want Salma Hayek to play the mistress for that one miner in the love triangle

[high fly]

Then a lot of us are guilty Ive seen links from Huff post. Salon and Media matters on posts here numerous times.


VALUABLE LESSON: Just because Little Johnny down the street jumps off the roof, it doesn't mean you have to go and jump off the roof.



A lot of us were taught that one when we were kids.........

[Dude!]

the wheels are coming
off the train....


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[Bob Impact]

The way he yells "The other side" should tell you all you need to know about Obama.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sure like how Stewart called Obama out on his Brownie moment about Larry Summers

[TripleSkeet]

the wheels are coming
off the train....


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All that did was make me respect the guy more. Instead of ignoring them he called them out and pointed out their hypocrisy. The Obama chants were great. The only thing missing was a "If you smell what Barack is cookin?" catchphrase.

[foodcourtdruide]

All that did was make me respect the guy more. Instead of ignoring them he called them out and pointed out their hypocrisy. The Obama chants were great. The only thing missing was a "If you smell what Barack is cookin?" catchphrase.

Dude! thinks we're all naive enough to believe no one within the democratic party disagrees with Obama.

[Dude!]

Dude! thinks we're all naive enough to believe no one within the democratic party disagrees with Obama.

um...just the opposite
the natives are restless

BTW, how's the
gitmo closing
working out?

[TripleSkeet]

um...just the opposite
the natives are restless

BTW, how's the
gitmo closing
working out?

The people getting restless are the ones that never wanted the black guy in to begin with and have done nothing but cry like fucking toddlers since he got elected.

Gitmo? Really? Thats your big comeback? Talk about the dumbest, most unimportant issue you could come up with.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

um...just the opposite
the natives are restless

BTW, how's the
gitmo closing
working out?

Im surprised the Obama supporters here didnt cry racism about the natives part

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know Presidents go on the campaign trail to stump for politicians in their party but Delaware? Coons could be caught with a tranny and he still would wipe the floor with ODonnell

[Dude!]

The people getting restless are the ones that never wanted the black guy in to begin with and have done nothing but cry like fucking toddlers since he got elected.

Gitmo? Really? Thats your big comeback? Talk about the dumbest, most unimportant issue you could come up with.

it is dumb and unimportant
except to the crybaby lefties
and those are the ones
heckling him in the video, JO

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Whew!! I am no longer an enemy. Off script Obama really says some dumb things.


http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/newstoday/article/1289064

[TripleSkeet]

Whew!! I am no longer an enemy. Off script Obama really says some dumb things.


http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/newstoday/article/1289064

Because he said enemies instead of opponents? After everything theyve tried to do to this guy? Id say he was just being honest, they are his fucking enemies. Youre reaching again.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Because he said enemies instead of opponents? After everything theyve tried to do to this guy? Id say he was just being honest, they are his fucking enemies. Youre reaching again.

Barack Hussein Milhous Obama

http://hydarblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/obama_nixon.jpg?w=300&h=300

[WRESTLINGFAN]

200 million dollars per day for a trip to India. . Think how many people in the slums of Calcutta and Bombay could be fed. His carbon footprint about 40 aircraft or what AlGore calls it. Wednesday


http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106

[foodcourtdruide]

200 million dollars per day for a trip to India. . Think how many people in the slums of Calcutta and Bombay could be fed. His carbon footprint about 40 aircraft or what AlGore calls it. Wednesday


http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106

This sounds insane. There's no way this can be right.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This sounds insane. There's no way this can be right.

I wouldnt doubt the math skills of the Indians It came from an Indian newspaper. If this is in fact the cost there is no way to possibly defend this.

I know the President needs a security detail but 3000? Bombay was attacked in '08 but this is an insanely huge amt of security people. Foreign heads of state come to NY all the time and it had a worse attack than Bombay but their detail would never be that big.

[StanUpshaw]

http://imgur.com/G6AIW.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://imgur.com/G6AIW.jpg

Let them eat cake. Oh wait. FLOTUS wont let them instead give them carrots!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There are still people who believe in Obamessiah

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Most-Emailed-Photos-man-gets-knees-next-car-carrying-US-President-Barack-Obama/ss/1756/im:/101031/ids_photos_ts/r1433985915.jpg/

[Barnaby Jones]

I wouldnt doubt the math skills of the Indians It came from an Indian newspaper. If this is in fact the cost there is no way to possibly defend this.

I know the President needs a security detail but 3000? Bombay was attacked in '08 but this is an insanely huge amt of security people. Foreign heads of state come to NY all the time and it had a worse attack than Bombay but their detail would never be that big.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAH!!!

This is some hilarious shit! WF just seriously compared NYC to Bombay in terms of security needs! Holy cow!

[Barnaby Jones]

There are still people who believe in Obamessiah

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Most-Emailed-Photos-man-gets-knees-next-car-carrying-US-President-Barack-Obama/ss/1756/im:/101031/ids_photos_ts/r1433985915.jpg/

You really are desperate, aren't you?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You really are desperate, aren't you?

I'm not.. The guy in the photo is

[WRESTLINGFAN]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAH!!!

This is some hilarious shit! WF just seriously compared NYC to Bombay in terms of security needs! Holy cow!

Holy Cow?

How insensitive. The Hindus look to the cow as sacred.

Seriuosly though. Does Obama need 3k in his entourage? Thats the size of a regiment

[foodcourtdruide]

Holy Cow?

How insensitive. The Hindus look to the cow as sacred.

Seriuosly though. Does Obama need 3k in his entourage? Thats the size of a regiment

It just all sounds hyper-inflated. Let's say the number is 3,000. So each member would cost close to $67,000 A DAY?!

Also, let's say this was the number, why would you attack Obama over this? If that's simply the cost of security to send the President to Bombay, then it just is what it is. Maybe President's should no longer go to Bombay?

[Barnaby Jones]

It just all sounds hyper-inflated. Let's say the number is 3,000. So each member would cost close to $67,000 A DAY?!

Also, let's say this was the number, why would you attack Obama over this? If that's simply the cost of security to send the President to Bombay, then it just is what it is. Maybe President's should no longer go to Bombay?

You forget, WF takes every single thing he reads that supports his world view at face value! Plus he declares the numbers to unimpeachable because Indian people are good at math, which is swell of him!

And that last question is pointless since it's obvious WF is a completely outdated isolationist!

[Barnaby Jones]

I'm not.. The guy in the photo is

No shit, Sherlock!

[foodcourtdruide]

You forget, WF takes every single thing he reads that supports his world view at face value! Plus he declares the numbers to unimpeachable because Indian people are good at math, which is swell of him!

And that last question is pointless since it's obvious WF is a completely outdated isolationist!

It's just a nothing-point. As if a republican President would stay at a Motel 6 for $80 a night. Is he trying to insinuate that Obama is unnecessarily spending during his trip and that accounts for the insanely high number? Come on. The number probably comes from what they estimate it would cost to shut down air traffic for half hour, patrolling the coast line, etc. Do you REALLY think these are OBAMA'S decisions? As if Presidential security BEGAN with Obama. It's just absurd accusations that divide this country and keep us away from real issues.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's just a nothing-point. As if a republican President would stay at a Motel 6 for $80 a night. Is he trying to insinuate that Obama is unnecessarily spending during his trip and that accounts for the insanely high number? Come on. The number probably comes from what they estimate it would cost to shut down air traffic for half hour, patrolling the coast line, etc. Do you REALLY think these are OBAMA'S decisions? As if Presidential security BEGAN with Obama. It's just absurd accusations that divide this country and keep us away from real issues.

As you seem to think I want Obama to stay in a mud hut while there. Why does he need a 3000 man entourage? If those costs are all correct and if it was a President Ron Paul you bet I would have a problem with the cost.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You forget, WF takes every single thing he reads that supports his world view at face value! Plus he declares the numbers to unimpeachable because Indian people are good at math, which is swell of him!

And that last question is pointless since it's obvious WF is a completely outdated isolationist!

You too by making quick judgements. We need to have foreign relations/allies but if You want to call me an isolationist because I think 700 military bases in over 150 countries is insane than yes I am an isolationist

[foodcourtdruide]

As you seem to think I want Obama to stay in a mud hut while there. Why does he need a 3000 man entourage? If those costs are all correct and if it was a President Ron Paul you bet I would have a problem with the cost.

It's hilarious that you call it an entourage. You act like he's Jay-Z or Eminem. These aren't his cousins or friends from college. I'm sure these are necessary.

[Furtherman]

As you seem to think I want Obama to stay in a mud hut while there. Why does he need a 3000 man entourage? If those costs are all correct and if it was a President Ron Paul you bet I would have a problem with the cost.

Yea, why? It's not like terrorists can just invade that city so easily.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's hilarious that you call it an entourage. You act like he's Jay-Z or Eminem. These aren't his cousins or friends from college. I'm sure these are necessary.

Who knows . Maybe his half brother living in a Kenyan Mudhut is his Johnny Drama.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea, why? It's not like terrorists can just invade that city so easily.

I guess the Boy scouts of India protect their cities from those damn Sikhs and Muslims

[keithy_19]

Yea, why? It's not like terrorists can just invade that city so easily.

Wait a second. Yes they ca-

Oh! I see what you did there.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No shit, Sherlock!

Does Obama care about that guy? FUCK NO!! He just filled his gut at a 5 star restaurant on his way to a huge 747 and going back to his Mansion in DC.

[Barnaby Jones]

Does Obama care about that guy? FUCK NO!! He just filled his gut at a 5 star restaurant on his way to a huge 747 and going back to his Mansion in DC.

Are you bonkers? You go off on these bizarre tangents based on a single photo none of us know anything about! Who knows what was going through that guy's head?!?!?!?!?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Are you bonkers? You go off on these bizarre tangents based on a single photo none of us know anything about! Who knows what was going through that guy's head?!?!?!?!?

You got me. It usualy Obama doing the bowing and kneeling. :clap:

[Barnaby Jones]

You're like the Jay Leno of this board!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You're like the Jay Leno of this board!!!

If you would have said Letterman than I would take offense

[Barnaby Jones]

Of course you'd like Leno! OF COURSE!!!!!

[Zorro]

Congrats to David Vitter...luv a guy that luvs a hooker

[TripleSkeet]

Does Obama care about that guy? FUCK NO!! He just filled his gut at a 5 star restaurant on his way to a huge 747 and going back to his Mansion in DC.

This made me LOL

[PapaBear]

This made me LOL
Isn't technically EVERYONE'S mansion? Well, everyone except for those dirty illegal aliens, that is.

[A.J.]

Does Obama care about that guy? FUCK NO!! He just filled his gut at a 5 star restaurant on his way to a huge 747 and going back to his Mansion in DC.

Isn't technically EVERYONE'S mansion? Well, everyone except for those dirty illegal aliens, that is.

In DC, they call it a "crib".

[Furtherman]

200 million dollars per day for a trip to India. . Think how many people in the slums of Calcutta and Bombay could be fed. His carbon footprint about 40 aircraft or what AlGore calls it. Wednesday


http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106

I knew this was too good to be true.

Q: Is President Obama’s trip to India going to cost $200 million per day?

A: This highly doubtful claim originated with one Indian news agency quoting an anonymous source in Mumbai. The White House says it is "wildly exaggerated," and there’s no evidence to support such a huge figure.

This story has spread rapidly among the president’s critics, but there is simply no evidence to support it. And common sense should lead anyone to doubt it. For example, the entire U.S. war effort in Afghanistan currently costs less than that — about $5.7 billion per month, according to the Congressional Research Service, or roughly $190 million per day. How could a peaceful state visit cost more than a war? (http://factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I knew this was too good to be true.

Maybe it should have been 200 million Rupee per day ?

[Willmore]

Maybe it should have been 200 million Rupee per day ?

4 million a day. Still a bit much.

[angrytruckingguy]

Best money we could spend right now. He's not on vacation, this foreign policies shit is important. (Hillary's a cunt) Too bad he doesn't have 5 minutes to stop in Israel and shake one person's hand.

[Dude!]

Too bad he doesn't have 5 minutes to stop in Israel and shake one person's hand.

come on,
no one wants jew-cooties

[Furtherman]

Maybe it should have been 200 million Rupee per day ?

The story is spreading like wildfire. I'm sure some right wing pundit will come to their senses any hour now and tell people to calm down and stop looking like idiots.

[Earlshog]

The story is spreading like wildfire. I'm sure some right wing pundit will come to their senses any hour now and tell people to calm down and stop looking like idiots.

:lol:

[Serpico1103]

The story is spreading like wildfire. I'm sure some right wing pundit will come to their senses any hour now and tell people to calm down and stop looking like idiots.

It seems that every article based the $200 million a day figure on an Indian official who said the "$200 million cost..." He didn't say per day. How do journalists rely on a foreign official, who gives such a vague statement so much credence related to the cost of the president's trip? How would he know what it costs the US to protect the President?

[angrytruckingguy]

come on,
no one wants jew-cooties

I never said it had to be a jew. I have jew-cooties. And I been touchin' mexicans too.

[foodcourtdruide]

It seems that every article based the $200 million a day figure on an Indian official who said the "$200 million cost..." He didn't say per day. How do journalists rely on a foreign official, who gives such a vague statement so much credence related to the cost of the president's trip? How would he know what it costs the US to protect the President?

Because their goal is not to spread news. Their goal is to put an idea out there that makes Obama look bad, and even after its rebuked people will only remember that initial feeling or that initial story. There are so many examples of this over the past few years.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Because their goal is not to spread news. Their goal is to put an idea out there that makes Obama look bad, and even after its rebuked people will only remember that initial feeling or that initial story. There are so many examples of this over the past few years.

That initial report was a bogus amount. My mistake for trusting foreign sources. If it was dubya going on this trip as Prez during this recession the left would have thrown a tantrum too. It goes on for both sides. Beck Limbaugh et al will be making this one of their main topics for the next few days.



For the trip to India, I just hope the pilot and crew for AF-1 arent outsourced

[foodcourtdruide]

That initial report was a bogus amount. My mistake for trusting foreign sources. If it was dubya going on this trip as Prez during this recession the left would have thrown a tantrum too. It goes on for both sides. Beck Limbaugh et al will be making this one of their main topics for the next few days.



For the trip to India, I just hope the pilot and crew for AF-1 arent outsourced

I thought you guys liked outsourcing?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought you guys liked outsourcing?

I am not "all those guys"

Also I believe NAFTA/CAFTA should be repaealed and we get out of the WTO

In regards to outsourcing we hear Big Eddie each night on MSNBC talking about outsourcing, Why doesn't he challenge his bosses on that? GE has that market cornered.

[foodcourtdruide]

I am not "all those guys"

Also I believe NAFTA/CAFTA should be repaealed and we get out of the WTO

In regards to outsourcing we hear Big Eddie each night on MSNBC talking about outsourcing, Why doesn't he challenge his bosses on that? GE has that market cornered.

What does this have to do with Ed Schulz? Outsourcing is championed by the same people who claim illegal immigrants steal american jobs. It's the epitome of hypocrisy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What does this have to do with Ed Schulz? Outsourcing is championed by the same people who claim illegal immigrants steal american jobs. It's the epitome of hypocrisy.

GE is the parent company of MSNBC.

People who outsource are for open borders. For example Carly Fiorina

[Dude!]

GE is the parent company of MSNBC.

only for a couple more weeks
then cablevision takes over
and everything will change
for the better

bye bye schultz
bye bye maddow

bye bye crybaby olberman
who lives with his mommy
and a cat

[WRESTLINGFAN]

only for a couple more weeks
then cablevision takes over
and everything will change
for the better

bye bye schultz
bye bye maddow

bye bye crybaby olberman
who lives with his mommy
and a cat

What happens to Lardball with Chris Matthews ? :lol:

[Serpico1103]

People who outsource are for open borders. For example, libertarians.

Better.

[foodcourtdruide]

GE is the parent company of MSNBC.

People who outsource are for open borders. For example Carly Fiorina

Ok.

[Dudeman]

only for a couple more weeks
then cablevision takes over
and everything will change
for the better

bye bye schultz
bye bye maddow

bye bye crybaby olberman
who lives with his mommy
and a cat

why focus on msnbc. no one on the left follows them- they lack intellectual depth... like Fox.

go after the newyorker or the nytimes at least (and i know you will)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

why focus on msnbc. no one on the left follows them- they lack intellectual depth... like Fox.

go after the newyorker or the nytimes at least (and i know you will)

Oh really? Then why do pundits from Mother Jones, Think Progress, Salon, Huff Post and the nation appear on their shows then?


The staff at the grey lady likes to plagiarize

[Dudeman]

Oh really? Then why do pundits from Mother Jones, Think Progress, Salon, Huff Post and the nation appear on their shows then?


they want publicity. it doesnt mean they provide anything of value.

[Dudeman]

Oh really? Then why do pundits from Mother Jones, Think Progress, Salon, Huff Post and the nation appear on their shows then?


also, Fox et al. always say how Fox ratings are much better than msnbc (or cnn.) That's because no one on the left turns to msnbc the way the Right gets their marching orders from hannity, beck , orielly.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

also, Fox et al. always say how Fox ratings are much better than msnbc (or cnn.) That's because no one on the left turns to msnbc the way the Right gets their marching orders from hannity, beck , orielly.

While the lefts pundits dont have name recignotion like Beck Limbaugh et al. Is it fair to say that many on the left take their orders from Paul Krugman, Frank Rich Katrina Vandenheugel, and Laura Flanders?

[Dudeman]

While the lefts pundits dont have name recignotion like Beck Limbaugh et al. Is it fair to say that many on the left take their orders from Paul Krugman, Frank Rich Katrina Vandenheugel, and Laura Flanders?

paul krugman is not the equivalent of obermann and others at msnbc.

if you want to make the comparison between krugman and beck/hannity, that's fine. but not the msnbc crowd.

and if you're comparing the intellectual depth of krugman to beck/hannity, well iguess that's like comparing clinton/obama to W/Regan

[Willmore]

It seems that every article based the $200 million a day figure on an Indian official who said the "$200 million cost..." He didn't say per day. How do journalists rely on a foreign official, who gives such a vague statement so much credence related to the cost of the president's trip? How would he know what it costs the US to protect the President?

I love Indian officials. Indian politics is hilarious to begin with, but their politicians are to die for.

There was one who was responsible for the Commonwealth Games this year. The facilities were unsanitary days before the athletes were scheduled to move in. There were animals in the living quarters, mud and dirt everywhere, feces around the toilet. This was all in brand new purpose-built apartment buildings in the athlete's village. The response of the politician, when all of this was brought up by the inspectors from the other teams: "The westerners simply have a different standard of hygiene."

[Serpico1103]

"The westerners simply have a different standard of hygiene."

Has he seen hoarders?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know its a foreign source but if this is true, Couldnt we have provided him a presidental Kevlar helmet?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/8109295/Coconuts-removed-from-trees-in-preparation-for-Barack-Obamas-India-trip.html

[Willmore]

I know its a foreign source but if this is true, Couldnt we have provided him a presidental Kevlar helmet?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/8109295/Coconuts-removed-from-trees-in-preparation-for-Barack-Obamas-India-trip.html

Mumbai has a shitload of monkeys. Who sometimes like to throw stuff at people. Coconuts are very good projectiles.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mumbai has a shitload of monkeys. Who sometimes like to throw stuff at people. Coconuts are very good projectiles.

http://www.belltowner.com/images/difranco.gif

[angrymissy]

While the lefts pundits dont have name recignotion like Beck Limbaugh et al. Is it fair to say that many on the left take their orders from Paul Krugman, Frank Rich Katrina Vandenheugel, and Laura Flanders?

Nope. I'm as libby as they get and I have no idea who those people are.

[angrymissy]

I know its a foreign source but if this is true, Couldnt we have provided him a presidental Kevlar helmet?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/8109295/Coconuts-removed-from-trees-in-preparation-for-Barack-Obamas-India-trip.html

I think that a ridiculous amount of people actually get killed/injured by coconuts every year. My sister, I forget where she went, they had portions of the beach roped off because of falling coconuts

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think that a ridiculous amount of people actually get killed/injured by coconuts every year. My sister, I forget where she went, they had portions of the beach roped off because of falling coconuts

I hope the president doesn't try to pull a Keith Richards

[Furtherman]

Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
While the lefts pundits dont have name recignotion like Beck Limbaugh et al. Is it fair to say that many on the left take their orders from Paul Krugman, Frank Rich Katrina Vandenheugel, and Laura Flanders?

WHO?


And no, many people on the left think for themselves. They don't need a pundit to tell them how to think, much like many people on the right.

[Dudeman]

WHO?


And no, many people on the left think for themselves. They don't need a pundit to tell them how to think, much like many people on the right.

second

[Willmore]

WHO?


And no, many people on the left think for themselves. They don't need a pundit to tell them how to think, much like many people on the right.

You mean that 60,000,000 McCain voters are not all Beck viewers/listeners? I'm SHOCKED!

[Dudeman]

You mean that 60,000,000 McCain voters are not all Beck viewers/listeners? I'm SHOCKED!

his VP nominee is now employed by Fox and many of the prominent figures on the right only appear on hannity/orielly/beck. Fox is clearly influential on the right, and there is no equivalent on the left.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WHO?


And no, many people on the left think for themselves. They don't need a pundit to tell them how to think, much like many people on the right.



Nobody on the left will point to Krugman in regards to the economy or Amy Goodman when it comes to politics ? You cant be serious!!

[Zorro]

his VP nominee is now employed by Fox and many of the prominent figures on the right only appear on hannity/orielly/beck. Fox is clearly influential on the right, and there is no equivalent on the left.

Not for lack of trying...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44729.html

Having recently doubled down on its liberal image [MSNBC] through a new branding campaign, the network now has a chance to become the cable voice of the opposition to the new Republican House majority – in much the way Fox News commentators speak out against President Barack Obama, to higher and higher ratings.

[Dudeman]

Nobody on the left will point to Krugman in regards to the economy or Amy Goodman when it comes to politics ? You cant be serious!!

do you feel Krugman is the equivalent of Beck and Hannity? Not in terms of whether you agree with them, but just in terms of their intellectual rigor.

[Furtherman]

Nobody on the left will point to Krugman in regards to the economy or Amy Goodman when it comes to politics ? You cant be serious!!

I wouldn't say nobody. I would say many.

And stop trying to pull it off as "these are common names that one should know" and even you're "moderate" republican stance. You're not fooling anyone.

Just be yourself. It's OK. It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

do you feel Krugman is the equivalent of Beck and Hannity? Not in terms of whether you agree with them, but just in terms of their intellectual rigor.

Krugman has a PhD. Hannity and Beck never finished college. Theyre entertainers

[Zorro]

Nobody on the left will point to Krugman in regards to the economy or Amy Goodman when it comes to politics ? You cant be serious!!

Krugman is a bitter man and while really smart just lashes out, but I am sure there are five people in the country that take Amy Goodman seriously.

I think the right has an advantage in the media department. They have very few issues they are really passionate about and it's relatively easy to express an opinion. The left is an amazingly diverse group whose passion runs the gamut from health care to transgender rights and evferything in between. It's really hard to express a complicated fact/opinion in a few minutes on TV and it's not like the vast majority of Americans read anything that's more than a couple of paragraphs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wouldn't say nobody. I would say many.

And stop trying to pull it off as "these are common names that one should know" and even you're "moderate" republican stance. You're not fooling anyone.

Just be yourself. It's OK. It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

Do you bother to read my posts? I stated that Krugman et al aren't household names :wallbash:

Youve never seen how many times, I criticized McCain, Bush Graham and others?

Ron Paul is probably the only one I support in the GOP. I said that it would be business as usual after they took the house. That makes me a Moderate?

[Furtherman]

Do you bother to read my posts? I stated that Krugman et al aren't household names

I did read it.

I guess I misread your shock that no one would know these people.

Nobody on the left will point to Krugman in regards to the economy or Amy Goodman when it comes to politics ? You cant be serious!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I did read it.

I guess I misread your shock that no one would know these people.

OK fair enough. And I admit a lot on the right take Limbaugh, Beck and others word as gospel

[foodcourtdruide]

Krugman is a bitter man and while really smart just lashes out, but I am sure there are five people in the country that take Amy Goodman seriously.

I think the right has an advantage in the media department. They have very few issues they are really passionate about and it's relatively easy to express an opinion. The left is an amazingly diverse group whose passion runs the gamut from health care to transgender rights and evferything in between. It's really hard to express a complicated fact/opinion in a few minutes on TV and it's not like the vast majority of Americans read anything that's more than a couple of paragraphs.

This is an understatement.

[A.J.]

I wouldn't say nobody. I would say many.

And stop trying to pull it off as "these are common names that one should know" and even you're "moderate" republican stance. You're not fooling anyone.

Just be yourself. It's OK. It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

Don't fuck with me all right? Don't fuck with me, Furtherman, not you!

http://motivationalsmartass.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/its-not-your-fault.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did Axelrod speak too soon?


I believe Obama is going to cave in and reach some sort of bargaining with the hill.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/12/obama-clarifies-tax-cut-p_1_n_782814.html

Taxes should go up for the super rich, however 250K is not rich, IMHO

[brettmojo]

Did Axelrod speak too soon?


I believe Obama is going to cave in and reach some sort of bargaining with the hill.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/12/obama-clarifies-tax-cut-p_1_n_782814.html

Taxes should go up for the super rich, however 250K is not rich, IMHO
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/APVwZ.gif

[Furtherman]

Taxes should go up for the super rich, however 250K is not rich, IMHO

I can't tell you how rich I'd feel to make that kind of money. I'd also have no problem paying more in taxes.

[TripleSkeet]

I can't tell you how rich I'd feel to make that kind of money. I'd also have no problem paying more in taxes.

Me too. What do you call that exactly? Middle class? If thats middle class Im a vagrant.

[Furtherman]

Me too. What do you call that exactly? Middle class? If thats middle class Im a vagrant.

If that's middle class then I should be on food stamps.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If that's middle class then I should be on food stamps.

It all depends where you live. 250k In the NE doesnt go that far.

If Cliff Lee stays in Arlington and takes less money he will probably net the same. TX has no state income tax.

[Willmore]

It all depends where you live. 250k In the NE doesnt go that far.

Move to the Ozarks.

[Furtherman]

It all depends where you live. 250k In the NE doesnt go that far.

The hell it doesn't. I'd be sittin' real pretty.

[Serpico1103]

Taxes should go up for the super rich, however 250K is not rich, IMHO

Your opinion is priceless.

Of course, judging someone's wealth based on an annual salary is a poor measure. However, it is the one used for income tax. If you want to increase taxes on wealth instead of income we can discuss that.
If you are making 250K, you have all your needs met, and should still have a huge chunk left for discretionary spending. Everyone I work with makes close to 100K, most have young kids and a wife that works part time. Somehow in NYC, many are able to live a middle class lifestyle; new cars, nice house, vacations, and kids in private schools.
So, please tell me how an additional 150K would not elevate them above middle class?
Also, maybe not you, but I wouldn't doubt it, many people do not understand marginal rates and effective rates. So, a marginal increase on income over 250K, doesn't start to have a real impact until you get further and further away from the 250K mark.
2% marginal raise over 250K:
260K= 200 dollars more in taxes
300K= 1,000 more in taxes
500K= 5,000 more in taxes
Someone making 260K is really affected by the $200 difference? Someone making 500K is not rich in your eyes?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The hell it doesn't. I'd be sittin' real pretty.

Politicians want to throw this arbitrary number of 250K as rich. Sure you might be able to go on a couple of more vacations in a year but its not rich.

1MM a year? yes of course thats rich.

[Willmore]

Politicians want to throw this arbitrary number of 250K as rich. Sure you might be able to go on a couple of more vacations in a year but its not rich.

1MM a year? yes of course thats rich.

1 billion a year?

http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/film_images/Austin_Powers_Mike_Myers_as_Dr_Evil.jpg

That's as arbitrary a figure as any.

250K was calculated by economists. Your 1 million is something your crazy brain picked out of thin air.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your opinion is priceless.

Of course, judging someone's wealth based on an annual salary is a poor measure. However, it is the one used for income tax. If you want to increase taxes on wealth instead of income we can discuss that.
If you are making 250K, you have all your needs met, and should still have a huge chunk left for discretionary spending. Everyone I work with makes close to 100K, most have young kids and a wife that works part time. Somehow in NYC, many are able to live a middle class lifestyle; new cars, nice house, vacations, and kids in private schools.
So, please tell me how an additional 150K would not elevate them above middle class?
Also, maybe not you, but I wouldn't doubt it, many people do not understand marginal rates and effective rates. So, a marginal increase on income over 250K, doesn't start to have a real impact until you get further and further away from the 250K mark.
2% marginal raise over 250K:
260K= 200 dollars more in taxes
300K= 1,000 more in taxes
500K= 5,000 more in taxes
Someone making 260K is really affected by the $200 difference? Someone making 500K is not rich in your eyes?

Exactly

What if someone who has a few million in a brokerage acct and doesnt trade just lives off interest. Thats about 80K a year.

[Furtherman]

Politicians want to throw this arbitrary number of 250K as rich. Sure you might be able to go on a couple of more vacations in a year but its not rich.

1MM a year? yes of course thats rich.

A couple of more vacations? Most people are lucky to go on ONE vacation a year.

[Serpico1103]

Exactly

What if someone who has a few million in a brokerage acct and doesnt trade just lives off interest. Thats about 80K a year.

So, you are in favor of taxing wealth to generate the necessary revenue?

[Willmore]

So, you are in favor of taxing wealth to generate the necessary revenue?

Done deal.

How about a 0.5% tax on every stock exchange transaction. That'll get the economy running in a jiffy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

1 billion a year?

http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/film_images/Austin_Powers_Mike_Myers_as_Dr_Evil.jpg

That's as arbitrary a figure as any.

250K was calculated by economists. Your 1 million is something your crazy brain picked out of thin air.

Keynesian economists?

[Willmore]

Keynesian economists?

Marxists. Same thing, I suppose, right?