Obama - Worst President Ever?

[hanso]

And most of it is loan money for the upteentnth time. The same thing was fine when Bush started it.

[hanso]

If 600k folks have stopped looking for work. Then why did conservatives shoot down unemployment extension yet again?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its not only the GOP opposed to the recess appt of Berwick


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/7/recess-move-draws-bipartisan-fire/

Key point in the article
"The White House had already come under fire for what critics said was overselling the credentials of Dr. Berwick. The Washington Times reported this week that two Harvard professor positions claimed for Dr. Berwick were essentially "honorary" posts with minor teaching and administrative duties."

[Bob Impact]

stimulus money goes back into the economy, war money goes directly into other countries via explosives

http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?datype=T&detail=-1&database=fpds&fiscal_year=2008&maj_agency_cat=97

[scottinnj]

I can't want until the constitutionalists and libertarians take over. All my problems will be solved.

I'm even willing to overlook the whole "let's legalize every recreational drug no matter how dangerous it is" platform plank of the Libertarians I'm so sick of the status quo.

Smoke up Johnny, just don't forget to vote.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm even willing to overlook the whole "let's legalize every recreational drug no matter how dangerous it is" platform plank of the Libertarians I'm so sick of the status quo.

Smoke up Johnny, just don't forget to vote.

Overlook it? You should embrace it.

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87954

[scottinnj]

Dude, I'm at the point now where I don't care either way. I've never been a narc anyway, so if you live by me you're safe. I've got no desire to alter my mind anymore, so all in all, I just don't care.

[StanUpshaw]

Dude, I'm at the point now where I don't care either way. I've never been a narc anyway, so if you live by me you're safe. I've got no desire to alter my mind anymore, so all in all, I just don't care.

You should care whether you're living in a free country or not.

[scottinnj]

You should care whether you're living in a free country or not.
That I care about, and I know neither the GOP or the Dems are going to keep it free. Time to go third party.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No wonder he's an inept president. He couldnt get his State dept hacks to extradite Polanski.

[Syd]

No wonder he's an inept president. He couldnt get his State dept hacks to extradite Polanski.

Unless it is a pretty extreme example, no first world country is going to allow one of its citizens to be extradited to a country that practices extraordinary rendition. Do you think America would in this case if France or the Swiss practiced extraordinary rendition? Has more to do with our shitty policy than our shitty president.

[A.J.]

"Change" my ass:

The Obama administration doesn't reflect change. It's more of the same. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/14/AR2010071405112.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

[Crispy123]

"Change" my ass:

The Obama administration doesn't reflect change. It's more of the same. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/14/AR2010071405112.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

Yeah its politics as usual but I can think of at least 1 worse presidential administration to model yourself after than the Clinton administration.

[A.J.]

Yeah its politics as usual but I can think of at least 1 worse presidential administration to model yourself after than the Clinton administration.

Harding?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wilson

[Crispy123]

Obviously I was refering to Lincoln.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wouldnt be surprised for the 2012 cycle if Hillary pulled a Teddy Kennedy

[Dude!]

I wouldnt be surprised for the 2012 cycle if Hillary pulled a Teddy Kennedy

it's already underway

she needs to find a way
though
to placate the negros
'cause they won't like her
hanging their boy out to dry

[LordJezo]

BMI index is now law:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/69436

We are all now all officially obese.

[StanUpshaw]

It's the Fatriot Act

[scottinnj]

I wouldnt be surprised for the 2012 cycle if Hillary pulled a Teddy Kennedy

What, take Obama for a drive after an all nite bender?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No wonder Obama sucks as President. He was a lousy community organizer All that time on the South Side of Chicago and its still a shit hole

[A.J.]

I wouldnt be surprised for the 2012 cycle if Hillary pulled a Teddy Kennedy

Only if Obama pulls an LBJ first.

http://www.nps.gov/lyjo/planyourvisit/images/resign.jpg

[hanso]

Only if Obama pulls an LBJ first.

http://www.nps.gov/lyjo/planyourvisit/images/resign.jpg

Have himself offed?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barry isn't too good when it comes to court. A federal Judge blocked his ban of drilling. Looks like most of the AZ Anti Illegal alien bill will stand.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/07/23/2010-07-23_arizona_immigration_law_wont_be_completely_bloc ked_federal_judges_indicates_duri.html

[TripleSkeet]

BMI index is now law:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/69436

We are all now all officially obese.

So dumb. BMI is a fucking joke.

How can you judge if a persons obese from height and weight? It does nothing to factor in msucle mass.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

BMI index is now law:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/69436

We are all now all officially obese.

All of his fat unmarried gelatenous women he picks for Supreme court, Surg Gen. DHS Sec will all fail. They need to hit the softball field more

[Dudeman]

So dumb. BMI is a fucking joke.

How can you judge if a persons obese from height and weight? It does nothing to factor in msucle mass.

Here is a reference from the New England Journal of Medicine:

N Engl J Med. 2007 Dec 6;357(23):2329-37.
Childhood body-mass index and the risk of coronary heart disease in adulthood.
"The risk of any CHD event, a nonfatal event, and a fatal event among adults was positively associated with BMI at 7 to 13 years of age for boys and 10 to 13 years of age for girls. The associations were linear for each age, and the risk increased across the entire BMI distribution."

Things like checking BMI don't just make it into medicine because someone thinks it would be fun- they have to be studied and ultimately published in peer reviewed journals. So the way it can help you can judge is by doing studies to see if it correlates/predicts negative health outcomes. Certainly it isn't a 100% absolute risk factor, but it is, based on studies, a risk factor for poor health outcomes.

It is like smoking- we've all heard about some who smoked but lived to 90. But do those exceptions change the fact that smoking is strongly associated with an increased risk of multiple cancers and coronary artery disease?

[StanUpshaw]

Here is a reference from the New England Journal of Medicine:

N Engl J Med. 2007 Dec 6;357(23):2329-37.
Childhood body-mass index and the risk of coronary heart disease in adulthood.
"The risk of any CHD event, a nonfatal event, and a fatal event among adults was positively associated with BMI at 7 to 13 years of age for boys and 10 to 13 years of age for girls. The associations were linear for each age, and the risk increased across the entire BMI distribution."

Things like checking BMI don't just make it into medicine because someone thinks it would be fun- they have to be studied and ultimately published in peer reviewed journals. So the way it can help you can judge is by doing studies to see if it correlates/predicts negative health outcomes. Certainly it isn't a 100% absolute risk factor, but it is, based on studies, a risk factor for poor health outcomes.

It is like smoking- we've all heard about some who smoked but lived to 90. But do those exceptions change the fact that smoking is strongly associated with an increased risk of multiple cancers and coronary artery disease?

That's all well and good when we're talking about a medical setting and professionals can truly evaluate someone's health. But when it's just a value on a spreadsheet, potentially being used for factoring insurance costs, and god knows what else the central planners have up their sleeves, then there is genuine cause for concern.

If I'm some athlete who's BMI says I'm obese, and as a result I'm placed in some "high risk" bracket, I'm going to be furious.

[Dude!]

If I'm some athlete who's BMI says I'm obese, and as a result I'm placed in some "high risk" bracket, I'm going to be furious.

even if you're not,
you should be furious

[epo]

even if you're not,
you should be furious

Fatty.

[Syd]

That's all well and good when we're talking about a medical setting and professionals can truly evaluate someone's health. But when it's just a value on a spreadsheet, potentially being used for factoring insurance costs, and god knows what else the central planners have up their sleeves, then there is genuine cause for concern.

If I'm some athlete who's BMI says I'm obese, and as a result I'm placed in some "high risk" bracket, I'm going to be furious.

a) they got their own risks, no need to quote BMI against how much it costs to keep them alive in their last 5 years Chris Henry, the Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver who died in a traffic accident last year, had chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) -- a form of degenerative brain damage caused by multiple hits to the head -- at the time of his death, according to scientists at the Brain Injury Research Institute, a research center affiliated with West Virginia University.

b) It's an average. BMI is something that measures against the average person. If you go around claiming every American male is 5'10, you're never going to be particularly far off in your estimate. It's a broad average but statistically speaking, it is accurate enough to say that if your BMI is 30+, you're obese. For every athlete you cite as having a BMI above 30, there are probably a hundred thousand Americans that are legitimately obese with a BMI of 30+.

[StanUpshaw]

a) they got their own risks, no need to quote BMI against how much it costs to keep them alive in their last 5 years

b) It's an average. BMI is something that measures against the average person. If you go around claiming every American male is 5'10, you're never going to be particularly far off in your estimate. It's a broad average but statistically speaking, it is accurate enough to say that if your BMI is 30+, you're obese. For every athlete you cite as having a BMI above 30, there are probably a hundred thousand Americans that are legitimately obese with a BMI of 30+.

Yes, the makers of charts and graphs and papers can do that all they'd like. In that case, means and medians are all that matter.

But as long as we're talking about the law, those rare exceptions still count.

One day you will succeed in rewriting the Constitution to say that laws should be made to do the greatest good for the greatest number of people. But until then, Mr. Bentham, I'll have to politely disagree.

[Syd]

Yes, the makers of charts and graphs and papers can do that all they'd like. In that case, means and medians are all that matter.

And as far as it seems, that is all it is:

Under this mandate in the stimulus law, Secretary Sebelius issued a regulation--developed by Dr. Blumenthal--that requires that all EHRs keep track of a person’s Body Mass Index (BMI) score. Body Mass Index is a ratio between a person’s weight and height, and is used to determine whether or not someone is overweight or obese. It is the preferred method of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for measuring obesity.

You still get checked for fattitude by your doctor for health insurance stuff where applicable, so this isn't new information.

This is just a way of trying to get people conscious about obesity, not discriminating against them. If there are some people who have overweight/obese BMI but aren't really overweight/obese, there aren't that many of them and they won't throw off the general number. This is just a step toward getting patients and doctors conscious about their weight and taking steps toward maintaining a healthy diet and exercise plan.

[Dude!]

This is just a way of trying to get people conscious about obesity, not discriminating against them. This is just a step toward getting patients and doctors conscious about their weight and taking steps toward maintaining a healthy diet and exercise plan.

gawd, you are so naive
this is just the start of The List
of those who will be exterminated
in Obama's Islamo-Socialist state

you are such a useful idiot...
i just hope you aren't fat

[Syd]

Islamo-socialist? I was kind of hopping for an Islamo-fascist. Oh well, beggars can't be choosers.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From the war on Terror to the war on Twinkies

[hanso]

We can goosestep to this BBQ dude speaks of.


This newest scare tactic reminds me of the last one, or the one before.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From the war on Terror to the war on Twinkies

Better yet!!!! Jihad on Junk food

[hanso]

I miss bubba jogging to mcdonalds.

[zildjian361]

gas has already gone up in 45cents in the last month. it' a start.

Gvac and Zildjan361 can predict the future.:laugh::smoke::drunk:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack Hussein Obama has ordered a Fatwa on French Fries

[TripleSkeet]

Here is a reference from the New England Journal of Medicine:

N Engl J Med. 2007 Dec 6;357(23):2329-37.
Childhood body-mass index and the risk of coronary heart disease in adulthood.
"The risk of any CHD event, a nonfatal event, and a fatal event among adults was positively associated with BMI at 7 to 13 years of age for boys and 10 to 13 years of age for girls. The associations were linear for each age, and the risk increased across the entire BMI distribution."

Things like checking BMI don't just make it into medicine because someone thinks it would be fun- they have to be studied and ultimately published in peer reviewed journals. So the way it can help you can judge is by doing studies to see if it correlates/predicts negative health outcomes. Certainly it isn't a 100% absolute risk factor, but it is, based on studies, a risk factor for poor health outcomes.

It is like smoking- we've all heard about some who smoked but lived to 90. But do those exceptions change the fact that smoking is strongly associated with an increased risk of multiple cancers and coronary artery disease?

Its bullshit and here is why.

At 25 years old I was 6'2 , 215 pounds and built like a brick shithouse. I was also considered "obese" according to the BMI scale.

Now I did know guys similar in height and weight that were fat, but the fact that they classified me as obese back then proved to me it was a fucking joke because it didnt take into account how much of my weight was muscle and how much was fat.

[Dudeman]

Its bullshit and here is why.

At 25 years old I was 6'2 , 215 pounds and built like a brick shithouse. I was also considered "obese" according to the BMI scale.

Now I did know guys similar in height and weight that were fat, but the fact that they classified me as obese back then proved to me it was a fucking joke because it didnt take into account how much of my weight was muscle and how much was fat.

bullshit or an attempt to quantify an epidemic with a scale that clearly has exceptions?

if you're "built like a brick shithouse", how do you feel about paying the same insurance and ultimately having to cover the healthcare costs of fatso's with poor nutrition and sedentary lifestyles who will require alot of medical care for heart disease, etc?

[keithy_19]

bullshit or an attempt to quantify an epidemic with a scale that clearly has exceptions?

if you're "built like a brick shithouse", how do you feel about paying the same insurance and ultimately having to cover the healthcare costs of fatso's with poor nutrition and sedentary lifestyles who will require alot of medical care for heart disease, etc?

As someone who has been built litterally like a brick shithouse, I am fine with everyone paying my medical bills.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He will be taking time away from his busy golf schedule to attend a hen party. Gee will there be any tough questions for him?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100726/us_nm/us_obama_1


This comment was the best



"Now he has something in common with Kate Gosselin"

[sailor]

i doubt they'll have strippers.

[A.J.]

"We are so pleased and honored that President Obama will be a guest on 'The View.'...This shows that both the president and first lady feel that our show is an influential and important source of information and news," Walters, 80, said in a statement.

And our nation sinks further down the shitter...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh how those bloated hacks on the view still clings onto 2008. Hope and change down the crapper in 18 months

[Dude!]

Oh how those bloated hacks on the view still clings onto 2008. Hope and change down the crapper in 18 months

Chris Matthews had
a freudian-slip last night
and called him "President O'Carter"

even the left
is starting to think
of the incompetent moax
that way

i laughed and laughed
at Mr. Tingly-Leg

http://dougpowers.com/2010/07/26/chris-matthews-talks-about-current-president-ocarter/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Chris Matthews had
a freudian-slip last night
and called him "President O'Carter"

even the left
is starting to think
of the incompetent moax
that way

i laughed and laughed
at Mr. Tingly-Leg

http://dougpowers.com/2010/07/26/chris-matthews-talks-about-current-president-ocarter/

He still has his other waterboys Olbermann Maddow and Big Eddie Schultz. Once the comcast deal is sealed I wouldnt be surprised if they go to Al Jazeera

[TripleSkeet]

bullshit or an attempt to quantify an epidemic with a scale that clearly has exceptions?

if you're "built like a brick shithouse", how do you feel about paying the same insurance and ultimately having to cover the healthcare costs of fatso's with poor nutrition and sedentary lifestyles who will require alot of medical care for heart disease, etc?

I think thats part of what living in a free country is about. Everyone is supposed to be treated equally. If Im in good shape, its because I choose to be. Even so, it doesnt mean I couldnt get cancer tomorrow and rack up more medical bills in a year then alot of fat people do in a lifetime.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Instead of being stuck in a cozy bubble of Marthas Vineyard for 10 days in Aug. Obama should go to the Border. One sheriff just gave him an invite.

I dont think there will be violent cartels and swarms of illegals in Nantucket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e07Bs9J3eeM

[A.J.]

Chris Matthews had
a freudian-slip last night
and called him "President O'Carter"

That should only happen on St. Patrick's Day.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He's cavorting all over the country touting his "SUMMER OF RECOVERY"


Sounds like an awful music tour

Obama to boy scouts F.U.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/07/obama_skips_mcdonnell_attends.html

[LordJezo]

Pretty good article on the future of the USA:

http://www.infowars.com/the-year-america-dissolved/

I don't see anything outlandish about it. People I know are starting to stockpile guns, ammo, and food. People are buying water makers and emergency supplies.

There really is not much time left for us. Hyperinflation is coming sooner than later.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rendell who is not my favorite politician basically summed it up like this.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/ed-rendell-obama-on-the-view-like-going-on-jerry-springer/

[A.J.]

Any decent President would have gone on Maury.

"Barack...you are NOT the baby daddy!"

[Barnaby Jones]

Pretty good article on the future of the USA:

http://www.infowars.com/the-year-america-dissolved/

I don't see anything outlandish about it.

Because you're an idiot!

[CurseoftheBambi]

Obama to boy scouts F.U.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/vir...l_attends.html

i thought people didn't want him to talk to the kids? now t hat he doesn't (you know he can chose to not too..he doesn't HAVE TOO! after all a lot of president's didnt but ooooooooooo obama's doing the snub.

[Furtherman]

"We are so pleased and honored that President Obama will be a guest on 'The View.'...This shows that both the president and first lady feel that our show is an influential and important source of information and news," Walters, 80, said in a statement.

Holy shit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Holy shit.

He should have called Walters a typical white woman :lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

MONGRELS!!!!!!!!!

Will Keith Olbermann have a special comment about this?

http://thehill.com/component/content/article/111611-obama-calls-african-americans-a-mongrel-people

[LordJezo]

Because you're an idiot!

What do you see wrong in that article?

Everything is heading towards America collapsing in on itself in a very short period of time. Our money is becoming more and more worthless around the globe and those in power are spending more than we could ever hope to manage. The economy is crashing, people are getting restless, rebellions are being planned, and our food, drinking, and air supply is being poisoned by the government by ways of pesticides and potentially drugs in our water.

That article on a very potential 2017 is based in reality and what is happening to everyday citizens.

[JPMNICK]

What do you see wrong in that article?

Everything is heading towards America collapsing in on itself in a very short period of time. Our money is becoming more and more worthless around the globe and those in power are spending more than we could ever hope to manage. The economy is crashing, people are getting restless, rebellions are being planned, and our food, drinking, and air supply is being poisoned by the government by ways of pesticides and potentially drugs in our water.

That article on a very potential 2017 is based in reality and what is happening to everyday citizens.

the Euro is also becoming weak, while other economies grow a little.

in the early 90's everyone said the USA was finished and Japan was going to be a world super power. well 15 years later they have been in a 15 year economic crisis and we have boomed and endured.

to many people in financial services here to let our currency get to diluted

[Barnaby Jones]

What do you see wrong in that article?

Everything! It's economic doomsday scenarios by people who have no idea about economics! They see ridiculous conspiracies in all walks of life regardless of how ridiculous and unrealistic and contradictory they are! They used a picture from The Postman, for fuck's sake! You fucking suck! I wish all of this shit was true just so you'd finally end up with a bullet in the brain!

[Dude!]

MONGRELS!!!!!!!!!

Will Keith Olbermann have a special comment about this?

http://thehill.com/component/content/article/111611-obama-calls-african-americans-a-mongrel-people

racist obama is a
self-hating negro

[torker]

Everything! It's economic doomsday scenarios by people who have no idea about economics! They see ridiculous conspiracies in all walks of life regardless of how ridiculous and unrealistic and contradictory they are! They used a picture from The Postman, for fuck's sake! You fucking suck! I wish all of this shit was true just so you'd finally end up with a bullet in the brain!

Yeah, maybe Waterworld would be a better choice.
http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_03_img1021.jpg

[Barnaby Jones]

The mysteries of 2012 can be unraveled within the rich tapestry of Tin Cup!

[Barnaby Jones]

What do you see wrong in that article?

Everything is heading towards America collapsing in on itself in a very short period of time. Our money is becoming more and more worthless around the globe and those in power are spending more than we could ever hope to manage. The economy is crashing, people are getting restless, rebellions are being planned, and our food, drinking, and air supply is being poisoned by the government by ways of pesticides and potentially drugs in our water.

That article on a very potential 2017 is based in reality and what is happening to everyday citizens.

I found something that has just as much accuracy and validity as your dumb ass links!

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[torker]

I found something that has just as much accuracy and validity as your dumb ass links!

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I'm more of a 'glass is half full' kinda guy.
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[A.J.]

MONGRELS!!!!!!!!!

Will Keith Olbermann have a special comment about this?

http://thehill.com/component/content/article/111611-obama-calls-african-americans-a-mongrel-people

Hoo hoo.

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[Dudeman]

Rendell who is not my favorite politician basically summed it up like this.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/ed-rendell-obama-on-the-view-like-going-on-jerry-springer/

The daily show was showing clips of President Bush on Dr. Phil.

"The hour, which emitted a warm-and-fuzzy feeling, dealt with such family matters as whether children should be spanked – now-22-year-old twin daughters Jenna and Barbara Bush were not – while it consciously sidestepped such harsh campaign issues as Iraq and the economy."

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/news/041011/drphil.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Clintons snubbed Obama. He's not invited to Chelseas wedding.

Hillary is running in '12

[Dude!]

The Clintons snubbed Obama. He's not invited to Chelseas wedding.

Hillary is running in '12

i wouldn't read too much
into that

no one wants
black people
at their wedding

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lets see the latest excuse from Obama and his handlers on this.

I can hear it now by Krugman and other Keynesians. MORE STIMULUS!!!!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy

[Barnaby Jones]

Who are "his handlers?" Do you ever know what you're talking about?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who are "his handlers?" Do you ever know what you're talking about?

Axelrod, Rahm et al.

[Barnaby Jones]

How are they his "handlers?"

Christ, your desperation to perceive him as bad as or worse than bush is just overwhelming! I can sense your flop sweat through the interwebs!

Now cue random editorial that "proves" he's as bad as Bush!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How are they his "handlers?"

Christ, your desperation to perceive him as bad as or worse than bush is just overwhelming! I can sense your flop sweat through the interwebs!

Now cue random editorial that "proves" he's as bad as Bush!

Ok heres a quick list.

Continuing wars, deficit spending, open borders/pro amnesty infinging on civil liberties by continuing the Patriot act. Massive expansion of Gov't. Bailouts

So yes its a 3rd Bush term

[Dude!]

Now cue random editorial that "proves" he's as bad as Bush!

good lord...
Obama is much worse than Bush
although it is hard to tell for sure
because Obama is always
on vacation

[A.J.]

Now cue random editorial that "proves" he's as bad as Bush!

I was thinking bad as Carter.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

good lord...
Obama is much worse than Bush
although it is hard to tell for sure
because Obama is always
on vacation

Give him some credit. Im sure he has a better handicap than dubya when he's hitting the links

[epo]

Lets see the latest excuse from Obama and his handlers on this.

I can hear it now by Krugman and other Keynesians. MORE STIMULUS!!!!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy

I'm not sure if another "stimulus package" is necessary, but history tells us that the first one was too small.

[Dude!]

I'm not sure if another "package" is necessary, but history tells us that mine is too small.

don't be so
hard on yourself

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I was thinking bad as Carter.

http://rightwingnews.com/graphics/welcomebackcarter.jpg

[Syd]

Ok heres a quick list.

Continuing wars, deficit spending, open borders/pro amnesty infinging on civil liberties by continuing the Patriot act. Massive expansion of Gov't. Bailouts

So yes its a 3rd Bush term

One thing we agree on. I'm fucking sick that I voted for Obama and he ends up being the generic piece of shit pro-business milquetoast pile of shit that Bush and Clinton were

[Dude!]

One thing we agree on. I'm fucking sick that I voted for Obama and he ends up being the generic piece of shit pro-business milquetoast pile of shit that Bush and Clinton were

yep, he is Bush III

and next comes Bush IV

[A.J.]

One thing we agree on. I'm fucking sick that I voted for Obama and he ends up being the generic piece of shit pro-business milquetoast pile of shit that Bush and Clinton were

You seem intelligent. Please don't tell me you honestly believed he was going to "change how things are done in Washington". As I said countless times before, that is the biggest line of bullshit a politician can say.

Don't get me wrong, there have been politicians who tried to change things. We call them "one-termers".

[Syd]

You seem intelligent. Please don't tell me you honestly believed he was going to "change how things are done in Washington". As I said countless times before, that is the biggest line of bullshit a politician can say.

Don't get me wrong, there have been politicians who tried to change things. We call them "one-termers".

I honestly believed he would change things -- he was the first guy to stand up against the Clintons. That meant a lot to me, especially as the primary dragged on. It's easier for an elf like Kucinich to stand up against the Clintons since he's not really a serious candidate. Obama was a serious candidate and went up against all the power and clout they Clintons and the DLC had. I thought maybe we'd see some improvement in the strength of the citizens over corporations in government. Instead here we are subsidizing health insurance companies and giving money to banks so that they can sell it back to us at a premium. Ooops, sorry about that folks.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I honestly believed he would change things -- he was the first guy to stand up against the Clintons. That meant a lot to me, especially as the primary dragged on. It's easier for an elf like Kucinich to stand up against the Clintons since he's not really a serious candidate. Obama was a serious candidate and went up against all the power and clout they Clintons and the DLC had. I thought maybe we'd see some improvement in the strength of the citizens over corporations in government. Instead here we are subsidizing health insurance companies and giving money to banks so that they can sell it back to us at a premium. Ooops, sorry about that folks.

He was a brand mass marketed big time and everyone was sold this by Axelrod. He did raise hopes in 2008 but I knew he would fizzle out quickly.

I know this drum has been beaten a lot but he got in over his head

[hanso]

He blew off the boy scouts to go on the view tv show. Shame on him!

[brettmojo]

He blew off the boy scouts to go on the view tv show. Shame on him!
They're boy scouts... They're used to getting blown off by adults.

[hanso]

zing!

[Dudeman]

yep, he is Bush III

and next comes Bush IV

so in your mind alito and roberts are the same as kagan and sotomayor?

[Dude!]

so in your mind alito and roberts are the same as kagan and sotomayor?

no, alito and roberts
aren't dykes

[The Jays]

Ok heres a quick list.

Continuing wars, deficit spending, open borders/pro amnesty infinging on civil liberties by continuing the Patriot act. Massive expansion of Gov't. Bailouts

So yes its a 3rd Bush term

Iraq war is withdrawing troops, Afghanistan is being shown to be a quagmire and will have its troops drawn down as well, Obama has overseen increases to border agents, which now stands at over 20,000, more than double of the agents in 2005 under Bush, with border security spending (you can read about that here (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/26/20100526obama-border-troops.html)). How have corporate bailouts been massively expanded, what evidence can you cite?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Iraq war is withdrawing troops, Afghanistan is being shown to be a quagmire and will have its troops drawn down as well, Obama has overseen increases to border agents, which now stands at over 20,000, more than double of the agents in 2005 under Bush, with border security spending (you can read about that here (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/26/20100526obama-border-troops.html)). How have corporate bailouts been massively expanded, what evidence can you cite?

Theres talk about bailing out Newspapers and Public pension funds. Also there was a report leaked that Obama is considering backdoor Amnesty in a process to bypass congress

[booster11373]

Iraq war is withdrawing troops, Afghanistan is being shown to be a quagmire and will have its troops drawn down as well, Obama has overseen increases to border agents, which now stands at over 20,000, more than double of the agents in 2005 under Bush, with border security spending (you can read about that here (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/26/20100526obama-border-troops.html)). How have corporate bailouts been massively expanded, what evidence can you cite?

Theres talk about bailing out Newspapers and Public pension funds. Also there was a report leaked that Obama is considering backdoor Amnesty in a process to bypass congress

So in other words nothing

[epo]

Theres talk about bailing out Newspapers and Public pension funds. Also there was a report leaked that Obama is considering backdoor Amnesty in a process to bypass congress

Do you have credible links to the talk and the report?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you have credible links to the talk and the report?

Some recent ones

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/30/politics/main6729039.shtml


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Are-Federal-Bailouts-for-etfguide-2510768466.html?x=0&.v=1

This article is from 2009

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/59523-obama-open-to-newspaper-bailout-bill

[epo]

Silly rabbit, bailouts in a downturn are actually good for the economy. Just ask Senator John McCain's economic advisor:

McCain’s Economist: Dem Policies Averted Great Depression, Saved 8.5 Million Jobs (http://www.dems.gov/blog/mccain-s-economist-dem-policies-averted-great-depression-saved-85-million-jobs)

A report out today by Mark Zandi, an economic advisor to John McCain and Chief Economist at Moodys.com, and Mark Blinder, an economics professor at Princeton and former Vice Chair of the Fed, found that “the U.S. economy has made enormous progress since the dark days of early 2009.”

Read excerpts from the report:

We find that its effects on real GDP, jobs, and inflation are huge, and probably averted what could have been called Great Depression 2.0. For example, we estimate that, without the government’s response, GDP in 2010 would be about 6½% lower, payroll employment would be less by some 8½ million jobs, and the nation would now be experiencing deflation.

Facts are so biased like that.

[Dude!]

For example, we estimate that, without the government’s response, GDP in 2010 would be about 6½% lower, payroll employment would be less by some 8½ million jobs, and the nation would now be experiencing deflation.

Facts are so biased like that.

you quoted speculation
and not facts

don't you know the difference?

[hanso]

7k less unemployed (new filings) is all we are off by. For the good standings. Maybe next report. Let's hope so.

[Bob Impact]

you quoted speculation
and not facts

don't you know the difference?

This, sorry epo but I literally howled with laughter when I read your post.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Silly rabbit, bailouts in a downturn are actually good for the economy. Just ask Senator John McCain's economic advisor:

McCain’s Economist: Dem Policies Averted Great Depression, Saved 8.5 Million Jobs (http://www.dems.gov/blog/mccain-s-economist-dem-policies-averted-great-depression-saved-85-million-jobs)



Facts are so biased like that.

No wonder McCain didn't win

[Dudeman]

No wonder McCain didn't win

He won the Republican nomination.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He won the Republican nomination.

Look where that lead us to. Not that McCain would be any better, he would be just as bad

[Barnaby Jones]

Look where that lead us to. Not that McCain would be any better, he would be just as bad

Good save!

[Bob Impact]

Good save!

:lol::lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama drives volt a few feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpK5KqplxK8

Thats only as far as it goes

[Syd]

by a few feet I assume you mean 211,000 feet?

[A.J.]

Obama drives volt a few feet.

Did the cops pull him over?

[Jujubees2]

Did the cops pull him over?

Of course. It was your typical DWB arrest.

[pennington]

Did the cops pull him over?

Does he even have a driver's license, or does that information fall in the birth certificate/college records/medical records off-limits category?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Which one is the bigger Lemon ? Obama or the Volt ?

[underdog]

Which one is the bigger Lemon ? Obama or the Volt ?

ZING!

But seriously, folks, try the veal.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ZING!

But seriously, folks, try the veal.

Since we are talking about Obama, try the goat. Its Halal :lol:

[Syd]

Which one is the bigger Lemon ? Obama or the Volt ?

What's wrong with the Volt? PHEV40s aren't going to be cheap -- the post fossil fuel future isn't going to be cheap either. Even if biobutanol and ethanol work in the most optimistic fashion we're going to be dealing with cars that are they themselves using fuels that contain less energy per unit. On top of that, the stored energy itself will require more energy to be used in the production of said stored energy. On top of even that the logistical issues of moving corrosive fuel, the lack of production plants and the fact that not all cars are even remotely ready to be run on a biobutanol/ethanol blend.

The Volt is a great car despite what your TV pundits say.

Also one of the people involved with the Volt at GM stated the reason for recommending premium gas is that it stores longer than regular gas in addition to the higher thermal efficiency of being able to run higher compression.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Chevy Volt

Fathers won't have to worry about their daughters being in the back seat

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Want that volt? Get ready to pay 60 K

For that amt you can get a Lexus, BMW Infiniti or Mercedes

[booster11373]

Want that volt? Get ready to pay 60 K

For that amt you can get a Lexus, BMW Infiniti or Mercedes

You are wrong....
The Chevy Volt’s Sticker: $41,000


http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/chevy-volts-sticker-41000/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are wrong....
The Chevy Volt’s Sticker: $41,000


http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/chevy-volts-sticker-41000/

My bad, forgot to include the link. With dealer markups there can be an extra 20k

http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/07/chevrolet-dealer-want-a-volt-thatll-be-an-extra-20k.html

[foodcourtdruide]

Want that volt? Get ready to pay 60 K

For that amt you can get a Lexus, BMW Infiniti or Mercedes

All new technologies start off at high costs, for many many reasons. This doesn't mean it will succeed or fail. What exactly do you have against the Volt? Other than your political ideology wanting it to fail?

[Serpico1103]

My bad, forgot to include the link. With dealer markups there can be an extra 20k

http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/07/chevrolet-dealer-want-a-volt-thatll-be-an-extra-20k.html

So, demand is higher than supply. That seems to go against your, and your master's (Rush) theory, that there is no demand. That the government needs to subsidize these products.

[hanso]

So, demand is higher than supply. That seems to go against your, and your master's (Rush) theory, that there is no demand. That the government needs to subsidize these products.



Like they did to Hummers?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im going to give Obama his dues for having the last Combat troops to leave Iraq by 8/31. That happened yesterday. Lets see if all troops I think there will be 50K as support troops and all will be out by Aug 2011.

While I am not downplaying this accomplishment, the big issue is the economy and its not getting better. I am not saying that people dont care about Iraq, however the # 1 issue is the economy and its not looking too rosey

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/19/news/economy/initial_claims/index.htm?hpt=T2

[Dude!]

the new 'non-combat' troops
will still be in uniform and armed
and will still be targets

i am all for it, but to be clear
it is not much of a change

[Dude!]

500,000 new unemployed
this week...wow..that's awful

and yet President Vacation takes
off for 11 days in Martha's Vineyard
a place so expensive, most people
can't even think about visiting

nice message

[underdog]

500,000 new unemployed
this week...wow..that's awful

and yet President Vacation takes
off for 11 days in Martha's Vineyard
a place so expensive, most people
can't even think about visiting

nice message

Getting to Martha's Vineyard isn't all that expensive.

[JPMNICK]

500,000 new unemployed
this week...wow..that's awful

and yet President Vacation takes
off for 11 days in Martha's Vineyard
a place so expensive, most people
can't even think about visiting

nice message

i am not a huge fan of his, but i am standing up for all Presidents, CEO's or anyone else embroiled in a bad time.

do you really want them to NEVER have time to relax and spend with their family? he is not taking a 6 month sabbatical and travelling the world at J.W. Marriots. he is fucking going away for a week and a half.

leave these guys alone when they need some personal time. he is going 24/7 when he is in the office, working and speaking weekends and all week travelling.

[Syd]

Just look at Bush. Even with how many vacations he took he still looked like he aged 30 years while he was in office. They need their me time.

[Dude!]

Just look at Bush. Even with how many vacations he took he still looked like he aged 30 years while he was in office. They need their me time.

he can have his time...
but in a time of extreme
jobless-ness and worry
why would you pic
the 'most exclusive' place
in the country and why
did his wife have to
have her 'luxury' trip to Spain?

Be honest...i can tell from
your posts that if you were president
you would have better judgement
than to choose those destinations

[underdog]

he can have his time...
but in a time of extreme
jobless-ness and worry
why would you pic
the 'most exclusive' place
in the country and why
did his wife have to
have her 'luxury' trip to Spain?

Be honest...i can tell from
your posts that if you were president
you would have better judgement
than to choose those destinations

Remember when you were interesting?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just look at Bush. Even with how many vacations he took he still looked like he aged 30 years while he was in office. They need their me time.

Dubya cleared brush in Crawford. Obams should feed the homeless in S. Chicago

[Dude!]

Remember when you were interesting?

remember when you
didn't weigh 300 pounds?

[Serpico1103]

he can have his time...
but in a time of extreme


I hate seeing any top official public or private taking vacations. Many people work stressful jobs and are unable to take long breaks and they manage without a team of servants; nannies, drivers, maids, shoppers, cooks, etc.
However, when he does vacation, where do you want him to go? Some place cheap?
That is just silly. Disliking that he is taking a break is fine, but wanting him to go some place accessible to everyone is foolish.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is Cindy Sheehan going to cape cod ?

[JPMNICK]

he can have his time...
but in a time of extreme
jobless-ness and worry
why would you pic
the 'most exclusive' place
in the country and why
did his wife have to
have her 'luxury' trip to Spain?

Be honest...i can tell from
your posts that if you were president
you would have better judgement
than to choose those destinations

marthas vineyard is not that exclusive. there are places in the north east much more exclusive then that

[Serpico1103]

Dubya cleared brush in Crawford. Obams should feed the homeless in S. Chicago

GW cleared brush on his 1,600 acre ranch! Obama should go to lavish estates in Chicago and feed the wealthy land barons.

Yeah, GW was a real cowboy.

[Dude!]

marthas vineyard is not that exclusive. there are places in the north east much more exclusive then that

maybe 'exclusive' wasn't quite right
how about "rich-celebrity infested"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

maybe 'exclusive' wasn't quite right
how about "rich-celebrity infested"

Instead of clearing brush, Obama can Mow Oprah's lawn

[Barnaby Jones]

Instead of clearing brush, Obama can Mow Oprah's lawn

You really don't see it, do you? Amazing!

[Jujubees2]

Instead of clearing brush, Obama can Mow Oprah's lawn

Oprah has a wood floor?

[CurseoftheBambi]

500,000 new unemployed
this week...wow..that's awful

and yet President Vacation takes
off for 11 days in Martha's Vineyard
a place so expensive, most people
can't even think about visiting

nice message

nicer message...he takes less time off t han say the previous prez. And I don't think he has to go someplace "cheap" just so the ones who don't have a job feel...comforted. I'm sorry do you not have anythng beyond the basics to show your support with them if not your own words make you a hypocrite.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

he can have his time...
but in a time of extreme
jobless-ness and worry
why would you pic
the 'most exclusive' place
in the country and why
did his wife have to
have her 'luxury' trip to Spain?

Be honest...i can tell from
your posts that if you were president
you would have better judgement
than to choose those destinations

A trip to Arizona should have been on his vacation plans. Instead he persecutes them with lawsuits

[CurseoftheBambi]

Oh why would he go to arizona on his VACATION.

[Donnie Iris]

Remember when you were interesting?

Well played

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh why would he go to arizona on his VACATION.

Youre right

Sheriff Arpaio may arrest him for being an illegal Kenyan. :lol:

Relax everyone it was in jest!!!!

[scottinnj]

Yes, he is.

[hanso]

Im going to give Obama his dues for having the last Combat troops to leave Iraq by 8/31. That happened yesterday. Lets see if all troops I think there will be 50K as support troops and all will be out by Aug 2011.

While I am not downplaying this accomplishment, the big issue is the economy and its not getting better. I am not saying that people dont care about Iraq, however the # 1 issue is the economy and its not looking too rosey

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/19/news/economy/initial_claims/index.htm?hpt=T2

The 2 wars along with the elite trickle down tax cuts wrecked our economy. So this is the first step in the right direction.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stimulus fail.

Obama home mortgage program fail.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/7161822.html

Please spare the same tire dline that he created or saved 16 trillion jobs as thats a shellgame.

Since the stimulus was passed there has been a NET LOSS of jobs.

Why was a 26 billion boondoggle to bailout the teachers union passed if the stimulus was supposed to fix everything. Why is there another 30 billion for a "Jobs bill" being discussed. Theres talk of another stimulus going Again the stimulus should have fixed that. But I knew that 787 billion dollars was pissed down a huge Chinese rathole.

[Syd]

How is it Obama or the program's fault when most people no longer qualify for their mortgage? People were going well beyond their means left and right during the build up of the real estate bubble.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The housing market is still flat on its back. The tax credit made things worse. Everytime the gov't steps in it artifically inflates prices. Now that the credit expired theres a huge supply of inventory on the market. Prices need to fall to the apporpriate price as determined by the market so there can be a natural bottom and that way is for the gov't to stay out

http://www.ajc.com/business/housing-market-suffers-big-598704.html?cxtype=ynews_rss

[TripleSkeet]

Given your handle I find it funny that you always post in the politics forum even though you constantly get shredded but hardly ever post in the wrestling forum.

[Dude!]

Given your handle I find it funny that you always post in the politics forum even though you constantly get shredded but hardly ever post in the wrestling forum.

i don't see you posting
in the cupcake forum

[Syd]

The housing market is still flat on its back. The tax credit made things worse. Everytime the gov't steps in it artifically inflates prices. Now that the credit expired theres a huge supply of inventory on the market. Prices need to fall to the apporpriate price as determined by the market so there can be a natural bottom and that way is for the gov't to stay out

http://www.ajc.com/business/housing-market-suffers-big-598704.html?cxtype=ynews_rss

So you advocate removing the tax incentives for owning houses? That artificially inflates price as well.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you advocate removing the tax incentives for owning houses? That artificially inflates price as well.

I advocate for repealing the 16th Ammendment. A tax on income is probably one of the most oppressive actions a government can do to its citizens

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fixed

Given your handle I find it funny that you always post in the politics forum even though you constantly shred others but hardly ever post in the wrestling forum.

How did the tax credit help?

More inventory because theres no subsidy to buy a home means prices go down. Simple microeconomics.

The feds should have allowed the natural decline of home prices so that there could be a true bottom. It would have made homes be set to their actual price based on inventory, thus making them affordable for people to buy

[TripleSkeet]

Fixed



How did the tax credit help?

More inventory because theres no subsidy to buy a home means prices go down. Simple microeconomics.

The feds should have allowed the natural decline of home prices so that there could be a true bottom. It would have made homes be set to their actual price based on inventory, thus making them affordable for people to buy

Huh? I wasnt arguing with you I was just making an observation.

i don't see you posting
in the cupcake forum

I cant seem to find it.

[CurseoftheBambi]

why would he post in a cupcake forum...i thought skeet was semen?:devil2:

I advocate for repealing the 16th Ammendment.and i thought you loved america.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

why would he post in a cupcake forum...i thought skeet was semen?:devil2:

and i thought you loved america.

Whats wrong with doing away with an income tax ?

[CurseoftheBambi]

stuff needs to get paid for.

[Crispy123]

Whats wrong with doing away with an income tax ?

This from the guy who wants the National Guard mobilized and sent to the border!!!

[Barnaby Jones]

This from the guy who wants the National Guard mobilized and sent to the border!!!

You'll find no better dose of comedy than from WF's daily political rants!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The military was funded at one time w/o an income tax.


Article 4 section 4 requires hat the states be protected from invasion.

[Barnaby Jones]

The military was funded at one time w/o an income tax.


Article 4 section 4 requires hat the states be protected from invasion.

The military was last funded without a regular income tax in 1913, and it had showed up periodically since the Civil War! It's hilarious that you equate funding a 19th Century military defending a much smaller country (and hell, without a freakin' air force) with being able to fund one today without appropriate taxation! Want to try that one again, champ?!?!?

[booster11373]

The military was funded at one time w/o an income tax.


Article 4 section 4 requires hat the states be protected from invasion.

I know this is a failure I just can not decide if its a failure of understanding history or technology

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The military was last funded without a regular income tax in 1913, and it had showed up periodically since the Civil War! It's hilarious that you equate funding a 19th Century military defending a much smaller country (and hell, without a freakin' air force) with being able to fund one today without appropriate taxation! Want to try that one again, champ?!?!?

You seem to think that I want there to be no taxes whatsoever, but that's not the case. Way to twist words around. :wallbash:

[CurseoftheBambi]

just sales tax. amirite? amirite?

[Barnaby Jones]

You seem to think that I want there to be no taxes whatsoever, but that's not the case. Way to twist words around. :wallbash:

So you want to jack up our other taxes to account for the loss of income tax? You might want to explain just how we're eternally securing all of our borders and still having enough for national defense while you're slashing out the income for these services! Let me guess, you're just repeat how you're for cutting the defense budget, right? Hey, you seem to keep forgetting that protecting us from scary illegal immigrants via secure borders would require locking down all of borders, or do you think that illegals would just choose to not use the much larger and mostly unguarded US/Canadian border on the honor system?

[A.J.]

So you want to jack up our other taxes to account for the loss of income tax?

Stop raising the taxes on my smokes!

[Dudeman]

Krugman's take on the stimulus package. WF... go anti Keynesian ape-shit wild. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/opinion/03krugman.html?ref=opinion)

[LordJezo]

The police state continues.

http://www.infowars.com/california-cops-taser-senior-citizen-in-his-own-home/

Now you can't even sit in your own house without being tased.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Shovel ready 19 months later.

Wasnt the 787 billion dollar scam supposed to go to infrastructure? This SOB of a president is really way in over his head

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_economy


Recovery summer has become this

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[midwestjeff]

Shovel ready 19 months later.

Wasnt the 787 billion dollar scam supposed to go to infrastructure? This SOB of a president is really way in over his head

I know.
Can you believe this crazy bastard wants to actually spend money rebuilding our own country?
50 billion dollars could destroy AND rebuild an entire middle-eastern country.
What a lunatic.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Krugman's take on the stimulus package. WF... go anti Keynesian ape-shit wild. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/opinion/03krugman.html?ref=opinion)

Dr Krugman left out the most important fact of this article.

A NET JOB LOSS OF 3 MILLION.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know.
Can you believe this crazy bastard wants to actually spend money rebuilding our own country?
50 billion dollars could destroy AND rebuild an entire middle-eastern country.
What a lunatic.

Yes

And billions more rebuilding a 7th century country like Afghanistan where he is continuing a losing battle.


The point is the stimulus of '09 was supposed to improve the economic situation when in fact it's a colossal failure, and now more money is being pissed away

[midwestjeff]

and now more money is being pissed away

Well, that is what "they" do, ya know.







Politicians. I meant politicians.

[StanUpshaw]

Brickyard president on payday.

[Dudeman]

Dr Krugman left out the most important fact of this article.

A NET JOB LOSS OF 3 MILLION.

how was that compared to before the stimulus?

[booster11373]

I love how the anti-govt types love to remind us how the government never creates any jobs but then love to blame the government for job losses.

Conservative's truly have the best of both worlds

[StanUpshaw]

Huh? Isn't that the same of same worlds?

[booster11373]

Huh? Isn't that the same of same worlds?

.............

[StanUpshaw]

I love how the anti-hot weather types love to remind us how the hot weather never creates any snowmen but then love to blame the hot weather for snowman losses.

Eskimos truly have the best of both worlds

[epo]

I know.
Can you believe this crazy bastard wants to actually spend money rebuilding our own country?
50 billion dollars could destroy AND rebuild an entire middle-eastern country.
What a lunatic.

Can you believe that socialist wanting good infrastructure to facilitate commerce? Why would he hate business so much?

[Kevin]

Can you believe that socialist wanting good infrastructure to facilitate commerce? Why would he hate business so much?



This will all go towards building Mosques across this country.

This Muslim is turning this country into a Muslim state!!

[PapaBear]

This will all go towards building Mosques across this country.

This Muslim is turning this country into a Muslim state!!
That's Socialist gun banning Muslim state.

[Syd]

The government does create jobs. Conservatives always want the prison state to expand which creates jobs for guards and such. Same goes for jobs designing new bombs to be used in the Middle East.

Conservatives just don't think about those jobs. They must hate America.

[NickyL0885]

Obama can come up with the cure for every disease out there and people will still hate him. They'd find a reason NOT to get the cure, like "the shot they give you will turn you into a socialist/muslim"

[PapaBear]

Obama can come up with the cure for every disease out there and people will still hate him. They'd find a reason NOT to get the cure, like "the shot they give you will turn you into a socialist/muslim"
That's only because it's true. I read it on the Internet.

[Kevin]

Wtf is wrong with a social muslim?

Its the unsocial ones you have to worry about..

Shifty loner bastards.

[keithy_19]

Wtf is wrong with a social muslim?

Its the unsocial ones you have to worry about..

Shifty loner bastards.

I like my social muslims to be all recluse like.

[A.J.]

Obama can come up with the cure for every disease out there and people will still hate him. They'd find a reason NOT to get the cure, like "the shot they give you will turn you into a socialist/muslim"

Psst...the antidote for that is bacon.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

787 Billion dollars was already borrowed last year for shovel ready projects and what happened? It was just a cesspool of pet projects . You people cant fathom that if the stimulus worked Obama wouldn't ask for another 50 billion dollars for this.

Lets call this 50 billion. Son of Stimulus... Like the 1st one worked. A net loss of 3 million jobs and you O'Bots think it was a success

[Syd]

"pet" projects? No, it was for funding stupid shitty southern states that are too poor and offer so little to the country they're a tremendous fucking drag on the nation. Most of the stimulus was pretty much wasted by "investing" in the south.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama can come up with the cure for every disease out there and people will still hate him. They'd find a reason NOT to get the cure, like "the shot they give you will turn you into a socialist/muslim"

Obama could pull a Marion Barry and people will come up with excuses defending him

[A.J.]

Obama could pull a Marion Barry and people will come up with excuses defending him

I wonder if Pelosi will be the bitch who set him up.

[TripleSkeet]

Obama could pull a Marion Barry and people will come up with excuses defending him

Dude in all honesty you fucking hardcore republicans were on his back since day 1. The fucking guy could cure cancer, eliminate the deficit, turn the unemployment rate to .001%, and win the Super Bowl with a drive in the last 2 minutes and you would still find a reason to bash the guy. In the 8 years Bush was in office they basically cut the fucking legs of this country off, and this guy is sitting here trying to stop the bleeding with band aids because thats all hes got.

You LOST. Get over it. In another 2 years you can try again. But the constant bitching and whining is just too much anymore.

I give the guy credit for trying whatever he can to fix this mess, but I mean its not like it was gonna be an easy fix. At least he didnt just stand by and be a lame duck while things got worse.

[Syd]

Bush's failure to act during Bear Sterns was what caused previously infinitely leveraged money into becoming real money. Had there been action, people wouldn't have had their retirements wiped out and the Tea Party wouldn't have anything to cry about.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dude in all honesty you fucking hardcore republicans were on his back since day 1. The fucking guy could cure cancer, eliminate the deficit, turn the unemployment rate to .001%, and win the Super Bowl with a drive in the last 2 minutes and you would still find a reason to bash the guy. In the 8 years Bush was in office they basically cut the fucking legs of this country off, and this guy is sitting here trying to stop the bleeding with band aids because thats all hes got.

You LOST. Get over it. In another 2 years you can try again. But the constant bitching and whining is just too much anymore.

I give the guy credit for trying whatever he can to fix this mess, but I mean its not like it was gonna be an easy fix. At least he didnt just stand by and be a lame duck while things got worse.


You must have the bar set very low. Everything he is doing is making things worse. All this money spent and what do we have to show for it?

The guy is an incompetent buffoon just like his predecessor. You people got what you wanted, some bright eyed political virgin and look what happened. A continued losing effort in Afghanistan, continuing unsustainable debt, and defecits. You were duped by an obsessed media thinking that he would solve everything. He was made into a celebrity and everyone bought into it. He was made out to be the Messiah when in fact he's just another scumbag politician from Chicago who gave a good speech.

Face it, its not 2008 anymore, the glitz and glamor of Obama has far faded away.

And BTW McCain would have been just as bad

[Kevin]

None of this teabagger shit has anything to do with Rep Vs Dem shit or the country.

This is a weak ass attempt to hide the utter disgusting racisem that this country still suffers from.

The Good Ol Boy party along with Fox News, just can not stand that their racist daddy and granddaddys country has a black president.

Its a simple as that.

I don't give a fuck what anyone says, that is the case.

Its pretty sad that alot of this country still has not evolved out of the nonsense that went on in the past before the civil rights movement.

[Syd]

It is human nature. People had their retirements wiped out from poor investment. They need someone to blame -- anyone that fails the paper bag test is easy to blame for white America.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fixed

None of this teabagger shit has anything to do with Rep Vs Dem shit or the country.

This is a weak ass attempt to hide the utter disgusting racisem that this country still suffers from.

The Good Ol Boy party along with Fox News, just can not stand that their racist daddy and granddaddys country has an incompetent half black president.



Point is that Obama could have been a WASP and he would still get tons of criticism.

[TripleSkeet]

You must have the bar set very low. Everything he is doing is making things worse. All this money spent and what do we have to show for it?

The guy is an incompetent buffoon just like his predecessor. You people got what you wanted, some bright eyed political virgin and look what happened. A continued losing effort in Afghanistan, continuing unsustainable debt, and defecits. You were duped by an obsessed media thinking that he would solve everything. He was made into a celebrity and everyone bought into it. He was made out to be the Messiah when in fact he's just another scumbag politician from Chicago who gave a good speech.

Face it, its not 2008 anymore, the glitz and glamor of Obama has far faded away.

And BTW McCain would have been just as bad

Ok, here is my point, why the fuck are you crying then??? If McCain wouldve been just as bad, and you Bush was the same exact way, what the fuck is it that you want????

I was never duped. I didnt think he would come in and just solve everything, I really didnt. I didnt even vote for the guy (I dont vote). I just looked at him as a guy that would at least TRY. He wouldnt sit back as the first black president and just idly ride that wave. He wouldnt spend most of his first term kissing ass so he could try to be re-elected. And guess what? Hes doing exactly what I expected.

I take it youre a Republican / Conservative? Were you bitching like this when Bush was in office? I mean since you say he as bad as Obama Im guessing you were. Well where the fuck were all the other crybabies while he was ruining the country? They were too busy pounding their fucking chest like they just won their homecoming HS football game to even see what a shit job he had done.

I agree with Kevin. I really believe most of this Tea Party bullshit is just a veil to hide how pissed off they are that there is a black president. I honestly do.

[TripleSkeet]

Fixed



Point is that Obama could have been a WASP and he would still get tons of criticism.

I agree with this also. Because politics have turned into sport. Most Republicans dont care if their candidate rapes hookers and does coke...as long as THEIR guy wins. Most Dems dont care if their candidate robs people and pistol whips bystanders, as long as THEIR candidate wins.

They dont give a fuck about this country, all they care about is pounding their chest and rubbing the opposing parties nose in a lost election. Thats their fucked up priorities. But I dont think Obama would get nearly as much criticism for every little thing he does if he werent black. That elephant is in the fucking room whether you want to admit it or not.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok, here is my point, why the fuck are you crying then??? If McCain wouldve been just as bad, and you Bush was the same exact way, what the fuck is it that you want????

I was never duped. I didnt think he would come in and just solve everything, I really didnt. I didnt even vote for the guy (I dont vote). I just looked at him as a guy that would at least TRY. He wouldnt sit back as the first black president and just idly ride that wave. He wouldnt spend most of his first term kissing ass so he could try to be re-elected. And guess what? Hes doing exactly what I expected.

I take it youre a Republican / Conservative? Were you bitching like this when Bush was in office? I mean since you say he as bad as Obama Im guessing you were. Well where the fuck were all the other crybabies while he was ruining the country? They were too busy pounding their fucking chest like they just won their homecoming HS football game to even see what a shit job he had done.

I agree with Kevin. I really believe most of this Tea Party bullshit is just a veil to hide how pissed off they are that there is a black president. I honestly do.


More of a libertarian and I criticized Bush for his Medicare part D, Open Borders, expanding the federal government more since LBJ, TARP. Bush does not get a free pass as he was no conservative.

Obama was supposed to be the antithesis of Bush and have transparency and accountability When in fact in many cases its business as usual. I completely agree with you that he is doing everything that I expected him to do. MAKE THINGS WORSE!!!!


You have to admit that most people were duped and thought he was the 2nd coming. They fell for the bait and were played big time. he's in the oval office now and the buck stops with him.

People are very naive if they thought he would change the political landscape in DC. When the day's over hes just another politician who will say anything for a vote and promise the world

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree with this also. Because politics have turned into sport. Most Republicans dont care if their candidate rapes hookers and does coke...as long as THEIR guy wins. Most Dems dont care if their candidate robs people and pistol whips bystanders, as long as THEIR candidate wins.

They dont give a fuck about this country, all they care about is pounding their chest and rubbing the opposing parties nose in a lost election. Thats their fucked up priorities. But I dont think Obama would get nearly as much criticism for every little thing he does if he werent black. That elephant is in the fucking room whether you want to admit it or not.

I agree with those points, most people who vote party lines wont mind if their party has control of the tax rates. If for example Romney wins in '12 the federal gov't will expand for their needs.

I wish there were more like Ron Paul who would just come out and say that they will cut useless bureaucracies, end nation building, bring the military home from the 700 plus bases around the world, support eliminating the income tax. The established Republicans and NEO CONS thought of him as a nutjob. When he is right over and over again

[Kevin]

I agree with this also. Because politics have turned into sport. Most Republicans dont care if their candidate rapes hookers and does coke...as long as THEIR guy wins. Most Dems dont care if their candidate robs people and pistol whips bystanders, as long as THEIR candidate wins.

They dont give a fuck about this country, all they care about is pounding their chest and rubbing the opposing parties nose in a lost election. Thats their fucked up priorities. But I dont think Obama would get nearly as much criticism for every little thing he does if he werent black. That elephant is in the fucking room whether you want to admit it or not.



Presidents always get piled on by the other party, but it always starts a year and a half or so before the next election.

Never from the start like with Obama.

This is a lets tear this black guy down so much and paint him as such a bad president, that no other black man has a shot at being President again.

It is disgusting.

[Dudeman]

I agree with those points, most people who vote party lines wont mind if their party has control of the tax rates. If for example Romney wins in '12 the federal gov't will expand for their needs.


But you don't act like you agree with those points. Your posts are the ultimate bashing Obama no matter what. It is no different that how you post all the anti-Muslim center hatred and lies, but then vote on the RF.net poll for the right for the Muslim center. Either post all you hate for obama and the muslim center and then back it up; but don't post all they stuff, and then when pushed on your posts, back off and take a measured approach.

Signing off.......

[TripleSkeet]

You have to admit that most people were duped and thought he was the 2nd coming. They fell for the bait and were played big time. he's in the oval office now and the buck stops with him.

People are very naive if they thought he would change the political landscape in DC. When the day's over hes just another politician who will say anything for a vote and promise the world


Isnt this what happens EVERY TIME a new president gets elected???

Its also pretty hard to get things done when every idea you have gets 100% opposition from the opposing party. Once the elections over, arent the 2 parties supposed to work together for the greater good? The healthcare bill for 9/11 volunteers is a perfect example. What possible reason other then trying to make Obama look bad could Republicans have had to vote down a fucking bill like that????

They didnt think Ron Paul was a nutjob, they just painted him that way because he had some radical ideas that would actually benefit the country. And benefitting the country is not what most politicians care about anymore.

[Furtherman]

You have to admit that most people were duped and thought he was the 2nd coming. They fell for the bait and were played big time. he's in the oval office now and the buck stops with him.

No, because the only people who felt that others felt he was the second coming, were his detractors.

The truth is that was tactic used by the far right to diminish his reputation, and only nonsense that far right devotees would even bring up this far past the election.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But you don't act like you agree with those points. Your posts are the ultimate bashing Obama no matter what. It is no different that how you post all the anti-Muslim center hatred and lies, but then vote on the RF.net poll for the right for the Muslim center. Either post all you hate for obama and the muslim center and then back it up; but don't post all they stuff, and then when pushed on your posts, back off and take a measured approach.

Signing off.......

I dont want a Romney or Huckabee to start another war or nation build. Keep Palin as far away from the Oval office as possible.

As far as the Mosque, whats the point? I have always said they can build there if they meet all the requirements/permits etc. at the same time,Islam like any other religion cant be criticized ?

I gave Obama some credit as I believe he did the right thing by stopping the missile defense in Eastern Europe and wiping out the Pirates.

Overall though, he's doing a poor job as president.

[foodcourtdruide]

No, because the only people who felt that others felt he was the second coming, were his detractors.

The truth is that was tactic used by the far right to diminish his reputation, and only nonsense that far right devotees would even bring up this far past the election.

I agree. The only time I heard the "second coming" stuff was on right-wing radio, which WF obviously listens to. I'm guessing Drudge?

I think most people on the left thought he was an incredibly smart guy, because of his academic background that gave good speeches that could unite the democratic party and get some key initiatives passed (he failed, and succeeded in some ways with this).

I don't even know why people think he's doing such a terrible job. I don't agree with everything he does, and he has annoyed me several times in the past few years, but what has he done that's so bad? When I hear people say he's been doing a terrible job, I think it's because their television told them to think that way.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree. The only time I heard the "second coming" stuff was on right-wing radio, which WF obviously listens to. I'm guessing Drudge?

I think most people on the left thought he was an incredibly smart guy, because of his academic background that gave good speeches that could unite the democratic party and get some key initiatives passed (he failed, and succeeded in some ways with this).

I don't even know why people think he's doing such a terrible job. I don't agree with everything he does, and he has annoyed me several times in the past few years, but what has he done that's so bad? When I hear people say he's been doing a terrible job, I think it's because their television told them to think that way.

You dont think this isnt worshipping him ? Here's just a few of many

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[Furtherman]

You dont think this isnt worshipping him ? Here's just a few of many


No.

And thank you for proving my point.

[foodcourtdruide]

You dont think this isnt worshipping him ? Here's just a few of many

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Do you think 4 youtube videos proves anything? Have you seen the videos the kids did for McCain and Palin? I can only speak of the people around me and left-leaning writers I read. No one classified him as the second-coming, the only time I heard that type of stuff was from conservative radio and FoxNews. In your journeys arguing with people on messageboards, would people often retort: "BUT OBAMA IS GOING TO FIX EVERY PROBLEM WE HAVE BECAUSE HE'S THE BEST EVEREEREREREREVER"?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you think 4 youtube videos proves anything? Have you seen the videos the kids did for McCain and Palin? I can only speak of the people around me and left-leaning writers I read. No one classified him as the second-coming, the only time I heard that type of stuff was from conservative radio and FoxNews. In your journeys arguing with people on messageboards, would people often retort: "BUT OBAMA IS GOING TO FIX EVERY PROBLEM WE HAVE BECAUSE HE'S THE BEST EVEREEREREREREVER"?

Thats just a sample of whats out there. There are a lot of progressive/left leaning Dems that I know who aren't on messageboards, co workers, friends etc. who thought that Obama would be the end to all the problems.

The idol worship of him is real. Remember the creepy looking Hope lithograph and the "O" Symbol? How many different subgroups were there for example Cyclists for Obama

Youre right about Palin as she is the female version of Obama just much better looking. But I don't want her to even enter her name in the race for '12. Shes a goddamn embarassment

[foodcourtdruide]

Thats just a sample of whats out there. There are a lot of progressive/left leaning Dems that I know who aren't on messageboards, co workers, friends etc. who thought that Obama would be the end to all the problems.

Youre right about Palin as she is the female version of Obama just much better looking. But I don't want her to even enter her name in the race for '12. Shes a goddamn embarassment

I'm sorry, I just don't see what you are saying. Besides a few videos of children singing and Chris Matthews being an idiot, I find the "the left thought Obama was the messiah" argument to be bumper sticker nonsense.

And comparing Palin to Obama is absolutely insane, and it always has been. My guess is that McCain's legacy will be severly tarnished from a historical perspective because of his '08 VP pick.

[Syd]

The United States of Inequality (http://www.slate.com/id/2266025/entry/2266027/)

Pretty decent read.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm sorry, I just don't see what you are saying. Besides a few videos of children singing and Chris Matthews being an idiot, I find the "the left thought Obama was the messiah" argument to be bumper sticker nonsense.

And comparing Palin to Obama is absolutely insane, and it always has been. My guess is that McCain's legacy will be severly tarnished from a historical perspective because of his '08 VP pick.

Not bumper sticker nonsense, Just huge expectations for someone who ended up being just another politician.

You don't think the evangelicals and NEO Cons look to Palin as a quasi celebrity? the woman has a huge following

[Syd]

I'm sorry, I just don't see what you are saying. Besides a few videos of children singing and Chris Matthews being an idiot, I find the "the left thought Obama was the messiah" argument to be bumper sticker nonsense.

And comparing Palin to Obama is absolutely insane, and it always has been. My guess is that McCain's legacy will be severly tarnished from a historical perspective because of his '08 VP pick.

It was used by conservatives to scare people. This stuff happens to all candidates, left and right. From the moment Obama had his acceptance speech and they were picking apart the columns behind him for being too Hellenic or whatever the criticism was you had to know the right was trying to scare undecided voters about a black guy being worshipped and if you vote for him they'll have KFC in the White House.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was used by conservatives to scare people. This stuff happens to all candidates, left and right. From the moment Obama had his acceptance speech and they were picking apart the columns behind him for being too Hellenic or whatever the criticism was you had to know the right was trying to scare undecided voters about a black guy being worshipped and if you vote for him they'll have KFC in the White House.

You can't have it both ways when it comes to his race. When he 1st announced his candidacy Sharpton, Jackson and the rest of the poverty pimps along with the established race hustlers said Obama wasn't black enough and Hillary was their gal. When he got the nomination, then they all flocked to Obama.

[foodcourtdruide]

Not bumper sticker nonsense, Just huge expectations for someone who ended up being just another politician.

You don't think the evangelicals and NEO Cons look to Palin as a quasi celebrity? the woman has a huge following

One is sooooo much more qualified than the other. And there are areas Obama lived up to expectations and areas he didn't. I don't see this as shocking as you do.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

One is sooooo much more qualified than the other. And there are areas Obama lived up to expectations and areas he didn't. I don't see this as shocking as you do.

I wasn't shocked at all. I always had low expectations of him and always saw him as just a politician trying to get votes

[Furtherman]

and always saw him as just a politician trying to get votes

What politician doesn't?

[TripleSkeet]

I wasn't shocked at all. I always had low expectations of him and always saw him as just a politician trying to get votes

Thats all of them. And only the truly dumb believe all they want is whats best for the country.

But you never answered my question...here this guy proposes free healthcare for 9/11 volunteers...and every republican shoots it down. Is that his fault? Would that not have been something good that he accomplished as president? Yet, spitefullness fucks over good people. Hows he to blame for that?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Thats all of them. And only the truly dumb believe all they want is whats best for the country.

But you never answered my question...here this guy proposes free healthcare for 9/11 volunteers...and every republican shoots it down. Is that his fault? Would that not have been something good that he accomplished as president? Yet, spitefullness fucks over good people. Hows he to blame for that?

The 9/11 healthcare bill being shot down was just as much the dems fault as it was the GOP. Blame the idiots in Congress for that. Remember Weiner and King from last month?

Obama is nothing but a corporatist democrat. More war, high unemployment and greasing the palms of Wall St.

[Dudeman]

The 9/11 healthcare bill being shot down was just as much the dems fault as it was the GOP. Blame the idiots in Congress for that. Remember Weiner and King from last month?

Obama is nothing but a corporatist democrat. More war, high unemployment and greasing the palms of Wall St.

this has been dealt with. your incomplete representation of the story in that thread was pointed out and you failed to respond.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Face it

His performance as president sucks and it has nothing to do with his race. He really underestimated the responsibility of his office. After he's done with his term hopefully in 2013, he's going to joing a few corporate boards, make speeches and get paid even more. He's not a socialist or Marxist contrary to what the baggers believe. The man lives in complete opulence and will do so for the rest of his life.

[Kevin]

Thats all of them. And only the truly dumb believe all they want is whats best for the country.

But you never answered my question...here this guy proposes free healthcare for 9/11 volunteers...and every republican shoots it down. Is that his fault? Would that not have been something good that he accomplished as president? Yet, spitefullness fucks over good people. Hows he to blame for that?



The most glaring reason to that other than the 9/11 workers thing was when he had the State of the Union just prior to the healthcare vote..

He made of point of wanting to tax the hell out of Corps that have thier factorys outside the US to try to make them re open them here and make more jobs for the US worker..

Not ONE Republican stood up and cheered for it.

But they constantly bitch about the issue whenever they talk about companies taking jobs away from Americans.

Total douchebaggery.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From the original stimulus 230 Billion was already allocated towards infrastructure. Only a percentage of that was used. So why are we borrowing another 50 billion when the money is already there?

He had Biden in Charge of all these funds Well somebody better mess with Joe. This is going to turn out to be Obama's big dig.

Enough with the "investments" jingle. Investments are made by people who take risks. Since the Fed gov't doesnt have to worry about that, theres no risk

Can it with the Bush misappropriated funds. We all know that. Obama was supposed to be the person who would change everything but he's not. In many ways he is like his predecessor.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[CurseoftheBambi]

From the original stimulus 230 Billion was already allocated towards infrastructure. Only a percentage of that was used. So why are we borrowing another 50 billion when the money is already there?

He had Biden in Charge of all these funds Well somebody better mess with Joe. This is going to turn out to be Obama's big dig.

Enough with the "investments" jingle. Investments are made by people who take risks. Since the Fed gov't doesnt have to worry about that, theres no risk

Can it with the Bush misappropriated funds. We all know that. Obama was supposed to be the person who would change everything but he's not. In many ways he is like his predecessor.

i didnt think the office of the president was like a dictator and everything he wants to go thru automatically goes thru...since government doesnt work like this in america...i guess we can blame the party of NO NO NO AND HELL NO YOU CAN'T.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i didnt think the office of the president was like a dictator and everything he wants to go thru automatically goes thru...since government doesnt work like this in america...i guess we can blame the party of NO NO NO AND HELL NO YOU CAN'T.

Its not a dictatorship. The stimulus got passed didnt it? Your man was supposed to CHANGE how Gov't works. I knew that it would be impossible Can you at least admit he failed at that?

[Jujubees2]

Its not a dictatorship. The stimulus got passed didnt it? Your man was supposed to CHANGE how Gov't works. I knew that it would be impossible Can you at least admit he failed at that?

So you're mad that Obama couldn't do something that you knew was impossible?

[CurseoftheBambi]

so you're mad at obama for wanting to change how government works...when he was over reaching to people who wouldnt compromise on any postion to help the people who elected them into office by keeping him from making changes. Right Right...that's like getting mad at a parent who's done everything in their power to make sure their kid does the right things and then the kid goes to jail. Is it the parent's fault or the kid?

[TripleSkeet]

Its not a dictatorship. The stimulus got passed didnt it? Your man was supposed to CHANGE how Gov't works. I knew that it would be impossible Can you at least admit he failed at that?

This may be the dumbest post in the history of .net.

[Dudeman]

This may be the dumbest post in the history of .net.

is this his first post you've ever read?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

is this his first post you've ever read?

You people bought the line of hope and change and were played for fools. Your dream candidate was not what he was prepackaged as. Axelrod duped you and youre just clinging to all hope that he will be that energetic candidate

2008 is history quit holding onto it.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Soooooooooooooo we were fools to hope and want change so we should i guess be cynical and bitter and like you...NO THANKS COACH!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Soooooooooooooo we were fools to hope and want change so we should i guess be cynical and bitter and like you...NO THANKS COACH!

You cant have it both ways. Many on this board said that he wasn't a savior but at the same time believed he could change DC?

I knew he was an extended version of flavor of the month and that he would fizzle out after 1/20/09

Im not going to call him a marxist or socialist. He is a corporatist. Hes another politician. When his term is up he's going to make millions giving speeches. He doesn't hate Wall St or big business. He is another one for endless wars, warantless wiretapping and rendition. Think Bush was the only one in bed with Blackwater? Obama is using them (now called XE) as contractors.

[TripleSkeet]

You people bought the line of hope and change and were played for fools. Your dream candidate was not what he was prepackaged as. Axelrod duped you and youre just clinging to all hope that he will be that energetic candidate

2008 is history quit holding onto it.

Show me one post where I said that. I commended the guy for wanting to change DC and I think he sincerely does but I didnt take that as a guarantee.

Dont you get it? The republicans fucked this country up so fucking bad in those last 8 years that most people wouldve voted for my cock if the Democrats wouldve put it on the ticket rather then risk more of the same shit from them.

For every hippy tree hugger that believed Obama shit polynesian roses there were 3 other people like me that said "The guy sounds like he really wants to change things. Oh well, he cant possibly be any fucking worse then what weve got now."

[TripleSkeet]

Im not going to call him a marxist or socialist. He is a corporatist. Hes another politician. When his term is up he's going to make millions giving speeches. He doesn't hate Wall St or big business. He is another one for endless wars, warantless wiretapping and rendition. Think Bush was the only one in bed with Blackwater? Obama is using them (now called XE) as contractors.

Hows he a corporatist when he wanted to levy huge taxes for corporations that have their factories outside the US? Thats the exact opposite of what a corporatist would do.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Dont you get it? The republicans fucked this country up so fucking bad in those last 8 years that most people wouldve voted for my cock if the Democrats wouldve put it on the ticket rather then risk more of the same shit from them.

Skeet Cock/Obama 2012 A change and Cock you can believe in! :laugh::lol:

[zildjian361]

gas has already gone up in 45cents in the last month. it' a start.

shit F the gas his health reform is worse. as of Nov 1 my wife's Heath plan just got worse. Now i might have to use my health plan at my job, and forfeit a $750 rebate check.:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Show me one post where I said that. I commended the guy for wanting to change DC and I think he sincerely does but I didnt take that as a guarantee.

Dont you get it? The republicans fucked this country up so fucking bad in those last 8 years that most people wouldve voted for my cock if the Democrats wouldve put it on the ticket rather then risk more of the same shit from them.

For every hippy tree hugger that believed Obama shit polynesian roses there were 3 other people like me that said "The guy sounds like he really wants to change things. Oh well, he cant possibly be any fucking worse then what weve got now."

Maybe not you per se thinking that he would be a messiah.

The Dems took control of Congress in Jan '07. Everyone got their wish and Obama was elected in '08. How the fuck are things better. He has taken Bush's stupidity and gave it steroids in regards to economic and fiscal policy. How is a stimulus a success when theres a net loss of jobs? Its simple math.

I know that in a lot of Presidents 1st terms they usually lose a majority of their partys seats but the resentment towards him and Congress and the policies they laid out is very high. Even the established republicans are getting shitcanned. He is losing the indies. I know his base will still support him even though hes continuing a failed policy in Afghanistan and still approving some forms of torture but hes got a huge hole to climb out from. Im not saying its impossible but its not looking too good.

[TripleSkeet]

Maybe not you per se thinking that he would be a messiah.

The Dems took control of Congress in Jan '07. Everyone got their wish and Obama was elected in '08. How the fuck are things better. He has taken Bush's stupidity and gave it steroids in regards to economic and fiscal policy. How is a stimulus a success when theres a net loss of jobs? Its simple math.


Im not claiming to be an economics expert but even I know that the very last thing to come back from a recession is jobs.

[StanUpshaw]

The unemployment rate is a lagging indicator. That much is inarguable.

[Kevin]

The unemployment rate is a lagging indicator. That much is inarguable.



Maybe if the dirtbag reps would be on board with taxing companies that outsource..

More jobs would come back here.