Obama - Worst President Ever?

[TripleSkeet]

Yea well, their definition of "obese" is also bullshit.

Rate yourself and see how many of you rank as obese or health risk...
http://www.njbariatricspc.com/obesity/bmi.asp

According to this I should weight 190 lbs. Yea fuck you. Id look like a fucking stick figure at 190. At the best shape I was ever in in my life at 6'2 215 I was considered a "health risk". Now at 230 Im considered obese.

And anyone thats met me can tell you thats a joke.

[Serpico1103]

Yea well, their definition of "obese" is also bullshit.

Rate yourself and see how many of you rank as obese or health risk...
http://www.njbariatricspc.com/obesity/bmi.asp

According to this I should weight 190 lbs. Yea fuck you. Id look like a fucking stick figure at 190. At the best shape I was ever in in my life at 6'2 215 I was considered a "health risk". Now at 230 Im considered obese.

And anyone thats met me can tell you thats a joke.

Start hunting and gathering, you might find that 190lb is more realistic. However, I do think they have lowered the obese criteria a little low, it should be overweight, fat, obese, morbidly obese.
But, I think they just prefer obese.

[angrymissy]

According to the BMI thing I AM DESIRABLE. THANK YOU MR. BMI

[Furtherman]

Desirable

I've always wanted to hear that word. :glurps: of joy!

[TripleSkeet]

Start hunting and gathering, you might find that 190lb is more realistic. However, I do think they have lowered the obese criteria a little low, it should be overweight, fat, obese, morbidly obese.
But, I think they just prefer obese.

I wouldnt want to live at 190 pounds. Id feel like a fucking child with my height.

[Serpico1103]

I wouldnt want to live at 190 pounds. Id feel like a fucking child with my height.

6'2 190? Look at professional fighters, wrestlers, MMA, boxing. That would be normal for them. And they are muscular at 190.
When we are eating all day, the only reason we have any fat is because we are eating too much. Fat's purpose is too store energy for when we are unable to get enough calories, when does that happen today? Other than when the drive through lane is slow.

[A.J.]

Rate yourself and see how many of you rank as obese or health risk...
http://www.njbariatricspc.com/obesity/bmi.asp

I have the physique of a smack addict and yet I'm considered "Desirable". Who knew!

[TripleSkeet]

6'2 190? Look at professional fighters, wrestlers, MMA, boxing. That would be normal for them. And they are muscular at 190.
When we are eating all day, the only reason we have any fat is because we are eating too much. Fat's purpose is too store energy for when we are unable to get enough calories, when does that happen today? Other than when the drive through lane is slow.

Dude those guys train 4 hours a day. That is there job. To expect normal people to get like that is just ridiculous. And guess what? In between fights they dont weight that. They start training about 6-10 weeks before a scheduled fight and cut the weight during that. Then they usually gain about 15 lbs. back the next day before the fight even happens!

[Serpico1103]

Dude those guys train 4 hours a day. That is there job. To expect normal people to get like that is just ridiculous. And guess what? In between fights they dont weight that. They start training about 6-10 weeks before a scheduled fight and cut the weight during that. Then they usually gain about 15 lbs. back the next day before the fight even happens!

I don't expect you to get "like that", because we have created a society where you have to go to the gym to mimic what you would be doing in the wild. I am not saying "You should be 190!!!!" I am saying that any weight over that you should probably consider excess, and not develop some attachment to it.
Those guys gain weight, yes, but they are also more muscular than we should be. Look at humans that still live a hunter gather life style, that is how we are meant to look. Our bodies have not evolved as quickly as our diet.
If you weight 20 more lbs than the guidelines suggests, not a problem. If you are 50+ over, you should consider healthier choices.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Now at 230 Im considered obese.

just tell em 200lbs is in my cock...i do.

[Ogre]

I don't expect you to get "like that", because we have created a society where you have to go to the gym to mimic what you would be doing in the wild. I am not saying "You should be 190!!!!" I am saying that any weight over that you should probably consider excess, and not develop some attachment to it.
Those guys gain weight, yes, but they are also more muscular than we should be. Look at humans that still live a hunter gather life style, that is how we are meant to look. Our bodies have not evolved as quickly as our diet.
If you weight 20 more lbs than the guidelines suggests, not a problem. If you are 50+ over, you should consider healthier choices.

After reading many of your post's I have concluded that you derive great pleasure in telling others how they should eat, feel, and think. Did you not get picked for kickball when you were little? Maybe you sported a saftey patrol sash?

[TripleSkeet]

I don't expect you to get "like that", because we have created a society where you have to go to the gym to mimic what you would be doing in the wild. I am not saying "You should be 190!!!!" I am saying that any weight over that you should probably consider excess, and not develop some attachment to it.
Those guys gain weight, yes, but they are also more muscular than we should be. Look at humans that still live a hunter gather life style, that is how we are meant to look. Our bodies have not evolved as quickly as our diet.
If you weight 20 more lbs than the guidelines suggests, not a problem. If you are 50+ over, you should consider healthier choices.

I understand what youre saying, and Im saying that I dont feel anything less then 215 is healthy for my height. I really dont.Now if your a major athlete that has activities that dont allow you to keep that weight, thats a different story. But I dont care what the BMI scale says, I know thats not a health risk.

The weight they calculate is wrong. Muscle shouldnt be considered obese. All they go by is height and weight. They dont even measure body fat percentage. Thats just fucking dumb. I know guys the same height and close to my weight that look like 15 pounds of shit stuffed in an 8 pound bag. To put us in the same group is retarded.

[Dude!]

After reading many of your post's I have concluded that you derive great pleasure in telling others how they should eat, feel, and think. Did you not get picked for kickball when you were little? Maybe you sported a saftey patrol sash?

you hit the nail on the head
he is all nanny

[KatPw]

According to that link my BMI is desirable which is bullshit. I still need to drop another 30 pounds. At least my size 12's are getting too loose.

[Serpico1103]

After reading many of your post's I have concluded that you derive great pleasure in telling others how they should eat, feel, and think. Did you not get picked for kickball when you were little? Maybe you sported a saftey patrol sash?

Yeah. I randomly picked out foods, diets, and activities and deemed them healthy.
OR
I agree with a majority of the research that we lead very unhealthy lives; working in cubicles all day, sitting in a car for hours, eating candy, fast food, grains, watching too much TV, sitting in front of the computer too long.

Yeah, it is very radical of me to think that those things are unhealthy for us.
Oh, but I did appreciate your "original" kickball line. It was unfunny the first time it was ever uttered, and it is less funny now.
I'll give you a tip, a message board is for expressing opinions. I am expressing mine. Sorry if Mr. Kickball Champ of the 6th Grade (proudest moment of his sad little Ogre life) doesn't like that.

[Serpico1103]

I understand what youre saying, and Im saying that I dont feel anything less then 215 is healthy for my height. I really dont.Now if your a major athlete that has activities that dont allow you to keep that weight, thats a different story. But I dont care what the BMI scale says, I know thats not a health risk.

The weight they calculate is wrong. Muscle shouldnt be considered obese. All they go by is height and weight. They dont even measure body fat percentage. Thats just fucking dumb. I know guys the same height and close to my weight that look like 15 pounds of shit stuffed in an 8 pound bag. To put us in the same group is retarded.

I agree. the system is too simplified to be used as rigid standard. But, it is a place to start. If you see you are way off, maybe it will cause you to look at your lifestyle.

Being 25lbs over, probably will not have a real effect on your health, especially if you are otherwise active. But, it lets you know that if you go to 250, you might be 60lbs over your optimal weight, and that would be cause for concern.

An accurate body fat assessment might be better, but it is not as available as a simple scale. So, maybe if the scale says you are way over, than you should follow it up with a body fat analysis.

[TripleSkeet]

I agree. the system is too simplified to be used as rigid standard. But, it is a place to start. If you see you are way off, maybe it will cause you to look at your lifestyle.

Being 25lbs over, probably will not have a real effect on your health, especially if you are otherwise active. But, it lets you know that if you go to 250, you might be 60lbs over your optimal weight, and that would be cause for concern.

An accurate body fat assessment might be better, but it is not as available as a simple scale. So, maybe if the scale says you are way over, than you should follow it up with a body fat analysis.

Im not worried about it for myself. Im 33 and I realize I could be in a little better shape. My point is though when someone like me is being characterized as "obese" then maybe the numbers they feed us about this crazy obesity problem in this country is like everything else you see on the news......utter bullshit.

[Serpico1103]

Im not worried about it for myself. Im 33 and I realize I could be in a little better shape. My point is though when someone like me is being characterized as "obese" then maybe the numbers they feed us about this crazy obesity problem in this country is like everything else you see on the news......utter bullshit.

Yeah, as i stated before, obese should be reserved for a much heavier person. You might fit into the medical terms of plump, pudgy, soft in the middle, spare tire, etc.
Overuse of the term "obesity" dilutes its impact. I think obese is more like 50%+ over your ideal weight. So, in your case, it would be about 275. And, unfortunately we see plenty of people everyday who are twice their ideal weight.

[Ogre]

Yeah. I randomly picked out foods, diets, and activities and deemed them healthy.
OR
I agree with a majority of the research that we lead very unhealthy lives; working in cubicles all day, sitting in a car for hours, eating candy, fast food, grains, watching too much TV, sitting in front of the computer too long.

Yeah, it is very radical of me to think that those things are unhealthy for us.
Oh, but I did appreciate your "original" kickball line. It was unfunny the first time it was ever uttered, and it is less funny now.
I'll give you a tip, a message board is for expressing opinions. I am expressing mine. Sorry if Mr. Kickball Champ of the 6th Grade (proudest moment of his sad little Ogre life) doesn't like that.

You are a condescending know it all. I'll give you a tip. The only reason you sir express your views in such a manner, is because you hide behind your keyboard.

I'll give you another life's observation. The degree that someone is an asshole is directly proportional to the distance they are away from the other person.

Hiding miles away- Big Shit talker.
Up close and personal- Big Pussy.

Have a nice life judging others. BTW I was pretty fuckin good at kickball.

[Serpico1103]

You are a condescending know it all. I'll give you a tip. The only reason you sir express your views in such a manner, is because you hide behind your keyboard.

I'll give you another life's observation. The degree that someone is an asshole is directly proportional to the distance they are away from the other person.

Hiding miles away- Big Shit talker.
Up close and personal- Big Pussy.

Have a nice life judging others. BTW I was pretty fuckin good at kickball.

I was not judging anyone. I was stating that we lead unhealthy lives. If you took that personally that speaks to how you perceive yourself.
If anything I placed the blame on society, pressuring us into office jobs for 8-10 hours a day, instead of foraging for food and getting our daily dose of exercise that way.

Since, you directed your post at me personally, and your "oh so accurate" assessment of my kickball skills, which degree of assholeness do you fit into? Shit talker or big pussy?

Oh, I have a condescending manner in person too. Especially to people who reached their physical peak in 6th grade kickball.

[TheMojoPin]

Drop the personal attacks now.

[The Jays]

Shut up, you lib.

[keithy_19]

Drop the personal attacks now.

Just once I want to read you put 'Raise the personal attacks now'.

[Ogre]

I was not judging anyone. I was stating that we lead unhealthy lives. If you took that personally that speaks to how you perceive yourself.
If anything I placed the blame on society, pressuring us into office jobs for 8-10 hours a day, instead of foraging for food and getting our daily dose of exercise that way.

Since, you directed your post at me personally, and your "oh so accurate" assessment of my kickball skills, which degree of assholeness do you fit into? Shit talker or big pussy?
Oh, I have a condescending manner in person too. Especially to people who reached their physical peak in 6th grade kickball.

Be more than happy for you to ask me in person then you can find out for yourself.

Mojo,
As far as personal attacks. I have been called a racist (because I disagree with The President's policies) a right wing religious nut (because I am not afraid to say I believe in Jesus Christ out loud) and a dumb gun toting hilbilly (because I believe in gun owners rights) and other wonderful things on this board. Nobody came running to defend me, and I could care less.

My point here is that Serpico spends alot of time telling others how to live and what to think. I thought Liberals were supposed to be a Kumbahya and accepting of everyone without judging them?

There is a big difference about posting your opinions on life, and posting life instructions.

[The Jays]

Who called you those things?

[TheMojoPin]

Next person to continue this line of discussion gets banned for 2 weeks.

[Gvac]

Next perosn to continue this line of discussion gets banned for 2 weeks.

Huh?

[The Jays]

Ok

[SonOfSmeagol]

“While the president remains personally popular, polls show there is rising public concern over his handling of the economy and the government's mushrooming debt — and what it might mean for future generations.”

$11,518,472,742,288

"The mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington, economists of all stripes warn."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090704/ap_on_go_ot/us_mountain_of_debt;_ylt=AgFLsVprb11GwrAishVLGtcDW 7oF

Growing the Federal Govt even more is NOT the answer. bho has added 8-10% to Federal civilian agency budgets. We need less Fed employees, working harder and smarter doing more with less, not more of them and/or giving those already there more money to spend/waste.

[Meataball23]

Im barely a GOP guy (although registered and voted mccain) but no matter what happens there is zero chance o-bam bam doesnt get a second term.

Petraeus is my outside vote for someone who can do something for the GOP (if he even is GOP, I have no idea)

Outside of Cantor, Jindal, Romney, and Palin, can you guys think of anyone who could possibly threaten on a national level like Petraeus?

[The Jays]

“While the president remains personally popular, polls show there is rising public concern over his handling of the economy and the government's mushrooming debt — and what it might mean for future generations.”

$11,518,472,742,288

"The mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington, economists of all stripes warn."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090704/ap_on_go_ot/us_mountain_of_debt;_ylt=AgFLsVprb11GwrAishVLGtcDW 7oF

Growing the Federal Govt even more is NOT the answer. bho has added 8-10% to Federal civilian agency budgets. We need less Fed employees, working harder and smarter doing more with less, not more of them and/or giving those already there more money to spend/waste.


That's the answer for the country when we're not in a deep recession. The answer in a recession is for the government to spend more because no one else is, jobs need to be created, wheels have to be turned so that the economy does not come to a halt, and once the recession ends, and regular business is producing growth, then measures can be take to reduce the size of federal spending. We were on our way to doing something about the massive debt, but then Bush came into town and decided to get us into a war that turned out to have no reason, thus ignoring all crises in healthcare, social security, even the rebuilding of a major US city. Can't blame Obama for previous administrations passing the buck forward.

[Gvac]

I can't wait until we throw this bum out on his ass!

The American people were blinded with flowery speech and flashy smiles.

Suckers.

[The Jays]

Im barely a GOP guy (although registered and voted mccain) but no matter what happens there is zero chance o-bam bam doesnt get a second term.

Petraeus is my outside vote for someone who can do something for the GOP (if he even is GOP, I have no idea)

Outside of Cantor, Jindal, Romney, and Palin, can you guys think of anyone who could possibly threaten on a national level like Petraeus?

There is no good candidate except Ron Paul, but that's because he's such a drastic change from traditional Republican. If you want to believe in small government, and make the leap, back him.

Otherwise, there is no Republican president for a while. You got governors fucking Argentinians, governors stealing from sports facilities to build their homes, a President who turns budget surpluses into budget deficits, how can you trust a party to lead when they can't even follow up on the bullshit they campaign on?

[SonOfSmeagol]

dammit man! This is a serious discussion! Stop inflaming the populace!

[Gvac]

BarackObamaSucks.Net (http://barackobamasucks.net/)

[Meataball23]

There is no good candidate except Ron Paul, but that's because he's such a drastic change from traditional Republican. If you want to believe in small government, and make the leap, back him.

Otherwise, there is no Republican president for a while. You got governors fucking Argentinians, governors stealing from sports facilities to build their homes, a President who turns budget surpluses into budget deficits, how can you trust a party to lead when they can't even follow up on the bullshit they campaign on?

I like most of the Ron Paul stuff, but we cannot just remove ourselves militarily from the world. Isolationism is something I want no part of.

Having bases in Korea, Germany, Japan, and even Iraq is something that Im proud of and know that if any crazyness goes down our troops have the jumpff point to retaliate quickly

[Gvac]

http://rlv.zcache.com/anti_obama_worst_president_ever_white_bumper_stick er-p128811000829781445trl0_400.jpg

[Serpico1103]

“While the president remains personally popular, polls show there is rising public concern over his handling of the economy and the government's mushrooming debt — and what it might mean for future generations.”

$11,518,472,742,288

"The mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington, economists of all stripes warn."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090704/ap_on_go_ot/us_mountain_of_debt;_ylt=AgFLsVprb11GwrAishVLGtcDW 7oF

Growing the Federal Govt even more is NOT the answer. bho has added 8-10% to Federal civilian agency budgets. We need less Fed employees, working harder and smarter doing more with less, not more of them and/or giving those already there more money to spend/waste.


Really? The public is concerned about the economy? WOW, breaking news.

But, I love your solution. "Get people to work harder". Nice. Run in 2012 on that platform.

[Gvac]

I'm so pissed. I just found a place that has these shirts on sale for the Fourth Of July. :down:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c34/Gvac/StupidQuestion.jpg

[keithy_19]

There is no good candidate except Ron Paul, but that's because he's such a drastic change from traditional Republican. If you want to believe in small government, and make the leap, back him.


Thank you. Of course this will never happen. He doesn't have big name people coming out for him mostly because he's a conservative who doesn't want to force people into doing things. Republican politicians want to do that.

[TheMojoPin]

That, and he's a lunatic.

[dino_electropolis]

That, and he's a lunatic.


Uh, explain please?

I think your mistaking Ron Paul for Ross Perot ( i know, it can be confusing, as they have the same initials.....but as this is politics we're discussin, looking past that can be hard, but give it a shot)

I know its trendy to drop the lunatic label, but which of his policies really support your opinion and why?

Getting rid of the fed reserve, and putting the people back in charge of their own money? (you DO realize there is nothing "federal" about the fed reserve, right? )

[TheMojoPin]

Ron Paul and Ross Perot are very fittingly lumped together.

I've explained my opinions about Paul on this site several times before and I'm really too lazy to rehash it right now, mainly because he's an unimportant nobody who will hopefully be dead soon.

[sailor]

most politicians want to force people to do things. let's not be silly and act like it is an issue for one side or the other. let's be adults, please.

[dino_electropolis]

Ron Paul and Ross Perot are very fittingly lumped together.

I've explained my opinions about Paul on this site several times before and I'm really too lazy to rehash it right now, mainly because he's an unimportant nobody who will hopefully be dead soon.

Wow, an excellent display of independent freedom of expression on this 4th of July.


Even the most idiotic statements enjoy protection.


God bless the USA, and death to those who aim to return the rights back to its citizens.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm not wishing that he be killed, I'm simply stating a fact: he's old and old people die.

Ah-doy.

[dino_electropolis]

I'm not wishing that he be killed, I'm simply stating a fact: he's old and old people die.

Ah-doy.

I didnt even come close to implying that you wanted him killed.


Tackle your own demons elsewhere, buddy.



BTW- you are aware that the slick looking tough guy in your avatar is not you, right?

Because the rest of us do.

[TheMojoPin]

I didnt even come close to implying that you wanted him killed.


Tackle your own demons elsewhere, buddy.

So then why highlight "dead" as if I've said something along those lines? Ron Paul is old and he will die soon and I, for one, welcome the neverending circle of life in this case.

BTW- you are aware that the slick looking tough guy in your avatar is not you, right?

Because the rest of us do.

"Slick looking tough guy?"

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That's an, uh, "interesting" take you got there.

[dino_electropolis]

So then why highlight "dead" as if I've said something along those lines? Ron Paul is old and he will die soon and I, for one, welcome the neverending circle of life in this case.



"Slick looking tough guy?"

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That's an, uh, "interesting" take you got there.



I didnt highlight dead because it was wrong, but rather, because it was a stupid reply to a question regarding policies.


As for the avatar, i must say, it had me laughing.

Until i noticed that the screen cap wasnt from the film.








Is that really you, Ralph?

[Dude!]

As for the avatar, i must say, it had me laughing.

Until i noticed that the screen cap wasnt from the film.

yeah i noticed that too
the avatar must have come from
another video or photo in mojo's
extensive collection of gay porn
and memorabilia

[A.J.]

I'm not wishing that he be killed, I'm simply stating a fact: he's old and old people die.

Ah-doy.

"Sorry."

http://www.vvaughn.com/videos/from%20movies/2003%20-%20Old%20School/10%20old%20school%20-%20blues%20funeral.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

I didnt highlight dead because it was wrong, but rather, because it was a stupid reply to a question regarding policies.


As for the avatar, i must say, it had me laughing.

Until i noticed that the screen cap wasnt from the film.








Is that really you, Ralph?

It is from the film. I just gave you the shortened clip:

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Check out around 2:12 or so.

Gvac made it for me out of forbidden love.

And my reply about Paul was flippant, but not stupid.

[Serpico1103]

Ron Paul and Ross Perot are very fittingly lumped together.

I've explained my opinions about Paul on this site several times before and I'm really too lazy to rehash it right now, mainly because he's an unimportant nobody who will hopefully be dead soon.

"Hopefully" is the key word. Had you left it out, you would be stating an objective fact that as an old man he will probably be dead soon.
However, adding in "hopefully" you are now expressing your desire (wish) that he will die soon.

Does he have a chance at being president? No. Am I glad that someone with different ideas got any media coverage? Yes. It puts more pressure on the two parties to realize that people will look outside of them if they don't respond to the people.
Unfortunately, usually the parties co-opt one or two of the third party's ideas, stealing its power, but once in office they go back to business as usual.

[TheMojoPin]

"Hopefully" is the key word. Had you left it out, you would be stating an objective fact that as an old man he will probably be dead soon.
However, adding in "hopefully" you are now expressing your desire (wish) that he will die soon.

Fair enough, though I feel no shame over my wish to see nature take its course and for Mr. Paul to peacefully pass away after a long, happy life.

Does he have a chance at being president? No. Am I glad that someone with different ideas got any media coverage? Yes. It puts more pressure on the two parties to realize that people will look outside of them if they don't respond to the people.
Unfortunately, usually the parties co-opt one or two of the third party's ideas, stealing its power, but once in office they go back to business as usual.

Eh, yes and no. The Big Two do continually evolved, primarily from cherrypicking any local movements that start gaining steam nationally. Neither party is truly stagnant as that they're clearly not the parties they were 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, etc.. I definitely appreciate people like Paul and Perot and Ralph Nader being around to stir up discussion and rabble up the debates.

[scottinnj]

BarackObamaSucks.Net (http://barackobamasucks.net/)
Looks like it's run by the "Loose Change" site admins. I haven't seen hokey HTML code like that since my BS website on GeoCities in the mid-90s.
Once Flash was made available to the public, I was finished.

[badmonkey]

Looks like it's run by the "Loose Change" site admins. I haven't seen hokey HTML code like that since my BS website on GeoCities in the mid-90s.
Once Flash was made available to the public, I was finished.

It's a wordpress blog.

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[Dude!]

has anyone else noticed
that this spate of celebrity deaths
started when obama became president?

i think of him as
the Black Plague

[LordJezo]

With Obama's support of the ex-Honduran president doing essentially what would be getting rid of term limits here is the USA how are we to expect him not to pull the same nonsense in this country? There they had the same business we did, constitution changes need a 2/3rds vote in congress, but the president said nope and put it up to vote anyway.

Could be seen here in the USA after Obama's second term. He'll start with a third term and keep on going, even if the congress and supreme court rule against it.

[Jujubees2]

Could be seen here in the USA after Obama's second term. He'll start with a third term and keep on going, even if the congress and supreme court rule against it.

You say that lilke it would be a bad thing.

[TheMojoPin]

With Obama's support of the ex-Honduran president doing essentially what would be getting rid of term limits here is the USA how are we to expect him not to pull the same nonsense in this country? There they had the same business we did, constitution changes need a 2/3rds vote in congress, but the president said nope and put it up to vote anyway.

Could be seen here in the USA after Obama's second term. He'll start with a third term and keep on going, even if the congress and supreme court rule against it.

Setting aside how hard you're trying to just be ridiculous, the spanner in the works of your insane theory is that it apparently still hinges on Obama getting elected for term after term after he somehow lifts the regulations about running for more than 2 presidential terms. You just assume he'd keep winning each election?

[LordJezo]

Setting aside how hard you're trying to just be ridiculous

No way, the right is worried about this. Noon time talk radio this topic was all around. It's not like I came up with this thought on my own. Wasn't even from the gym either. Just reporting on what i hear.

[TheMojoPin]

No way, the right is worried about this. Noon time talk radio this topic was all around. It's not like I came up with this thought on my own. Wasn't even from the gym either. Just reporting on what i hear.

For one, noon time talk radio is not all of "the Right." Secondly, just because something is discussed on a talk radio show doesn't mean it's actually something that is happening, will happen or even likely to happen, if at all. Thirdly, you completely dodged my question: how does this brilliant plan of somehow lifting the term limit restrictions ensure that Obama would actually be re-elected for term after term?

[IMSlacker]

For one, noon time talk radio is not all of "the Right." Secondly, just because something is discussed on a talk radio show doesn't mean it's actually something that is happening, will happen or even likely to happen, if at all. Thirdly, you completely dodged my question: how does this brilliant plan of somehow lifting the term limit restrictions ensure that Obama would actually be re-elected for term after term?

Acorn will take care of the perpetual re-election part.

[Furtherman]

It's not like I came up with this thought on my own.

None of us would doubt you.

[TheMojoPin]

Acorn will take care of the perpetual re-election part.

Oh, right. Durrr.

[TripleSkeet]

Could be seen here in the USA after Obama's second term. He'll start with a third term and keep on going, even if the congress and supreme court rule against it.

That may just be the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard.

[LordJezo]

Thirdly, you completely dodged my question: how does this brilliant plan of somehow lifting the term limit restrictions ensure that Obama would actually be re-elected for term after term?

Anyone who thinks Obama wont be elected in a landslide in a few years is just silly. Bush did so much damage to the Republican party that it will be decades until one is elected again. Plus with the rise of the internet and youth voting and how being a liberal is the hip cool thing to be in order to impress your friends there is less of a chance for one to ever win again as more and more teens get to voting age and vote as P Diddy tells them they need to vote.

[brettmojo]

has anyone else noticed
that this spate of celebrity deaths
started when obama became president?

i think of him as
the Black Plague
Why? Biden looks more rat-like.

[brettmojo]

Anyone who thinks Obama wont be elected in a landslide in a few years is just silly. Bush did so much damage to the Republican party that it will be decades until one is elected again. Plus with the rise of the internet and youth voting and how being a liberal is the hip cool thing to be in order to impress your friends there is less of a chance for one to ever win again as more and more teens get to voting age and vote as P Diddy tells them they need to vote.
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/09/01-07/diddy-vote-die-mccain-bush-palin-obama-video-perez-hilton.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone who thinks Obama wont be elected in a landslide in a few years is just silly. Bush did so much damage to the Republican party that it will be decades until one is elected again.

"Decades?" Uh, no. You'll find no period on our modern history where one party was had the White House consecuitively for decades at a time. The idea that Obama would just keep winning term after term after serving 2 seemed to be something you hadn't thought out, and I figured maybe you just made a mistake until I read this:

Plus with the rise of the internet and youth voting and how being a liberal is the hip cool thing to be in order to impress your friends there is less of a chance for one to ever win again as more and more teens get to voting age and vote as P Diddy tells them they need to vote.

...and then I rembered you're just a moronic shock poster.

[epo]

Anyone who thinks Obama wont be elected in a landslide in a few years is just silly. Bush did so much damage to the Republican party that it will be decades until one is elected again. Plus with the rise of the internet and youth voting and how being a liberal is the hip cool thing to be in order to impress your friends there is less of a chance for one to ever win again as more and more teens get to voting age and vote as P Diddy tells them they need to vote.

You may not have a clue on why, but I'll give you the fact that the Republican Party has lost an entire generation of voters. Good luck with that one.

[LordJezo]

"Decades?" Uh, no. You'll find no period on our modern history where one party was had the White House consecuitively for decades at a time. The idea that Obama would just keep winning term after term after serving 2 seemed to be something you hadn't thought out, and I figured maybe you just made a mistake until I read this:



...and then I rembered you're just a moronic shock poster.

The point here is that the Obama administration is now actively supporting unlawful dictatorships and also supports circumventing constitutions in order to have people illegally stay in power even when the other branches of the government rule against it. With Obama, Chavez, and Castro on his side how will the Honduran leader fail in his takeover of the country? Now that Obama and his cronies know that they have the support of the international community and the propaganda arm of the US media on their side there is no reason for them to think that they will not be able to do the same thing here in the USA.

[Gvac]

http://www.conservativebumper.com/images/obama_stinks.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

The point here is that the Obama administration is now actively supporting unlawful dictatorships and also supports circumventing constitutions in order to have people illegally stay in power even when the other branches of the government rule against it. With Obama, Chavez, and Castro on his side how will the Honduran leader fail in his takeover of the country? Now that Obama and his cronies know that they have the support of the international community and the propaganda arm of the US media on their side there is no reason for them to think that they will not be able to do the same thing here in the USA.

That's not a point at all.

[LordJezo]

That's not a point at all.

Of course it's not. To the left the constitution means nothing and they want Obama to be installed as president for life. Respecting the laws and rules of a nation mean nothing if it gets in the way of Obama 4 Life. Honduras is simply a test ground for future world plans.

[foodcourtdruide]

Of course it's not. To the left the constitution means nothing and they want Obama to be installed as president for life. Respecting the laws and rules of a nation mean nothing if it gets in the way of Obama 4 Life. Honduras is simply a test ground for future world plans.

Jezo 1 - Mojo 0

[Gvac]

http://www.thepoliticalweb.com/i//obama030909payup1a580.jpg

[epo]

http://www.thepoliticalweb.com/i//obama030909payup1a580.jpg

Well, open up that fat wallet of yours. We all know you've still got that communion money of yours in there.

[TripleSkeet]

That may just be the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard.

and how being a liberal is the hip cool thing to be in order to impress your friends

I stand corrected.

[scottinnj]

Well, open up that fat wallet of yours. We all know you've still got that communion money of yours in there.

Another nice reference. From "Blow" I do believe?

[Serpico1103]

Anyone who thinks Obama wont be elected in a landslide in a few years is just silly. Bush did so much damage to the Republican party that it will be decades until one is elected again. Plus with the rise of the internet and youth voting and how being a liberal is the hip cool thing to be in order to impress your friends there is less of a chance for one to ever win again as more and more teens get to voting age and vote as P Diddy tells them they need to vote.

So the horrible future you foresee is a president getting re-elected because the people like him? Oh, the HORROR!

[TheMojoPin]

Of course it's not. To the left the constitution means nothing and they want Obama to be installed as president for life. Respecting the laws and rules of a nation mean nothing if it gets in the way of Obama 4 Life. Honduras is simply a test ground for future world plans.

And how are they going to install a leader for life?

[LordJezo]

So the horrible future you foresee is a president getting re-elected because the people like him? Oh, the HORROR!

In North Korea people "like" Kim Jong as they are forced to like him. He's been there for so long and filled them all with such propaganda and lies about the outside world that they view him as a god like figure.

So yeah, having that happen with Obama in this country is a bad thing, there is a reason we have the 22nd amendment to the constitution limiting term limits. Just because this rock star is popular with teen girls doesn't mean that he should become ruler for life of the USA.

[TheMojoPin]

In North Korea people "like" Kim Jong as they are forced to like him. He's been there for so long and filled them all with such propaganda and lies about the outside world that they view him as a god like figure.

So you honestly think it's a simple matter of turning the ENTIRE populace of the US into one like NK's?

So yeah, having that happen with Obama in this country is a bad thing, there is a reason we have the 22nd amendment to the constitution limiting term limits.

What's the reason?

[foodcourtdruide]

In North Korea people "like" Kim Jong as they are forced to like him. He's been there for so long and filled them all with such propaganda and lies about the outside world that they view him as a god like figure.

So yeah, having that happen with Obama in this country is a bad thing, there is a reason we have the 22nd amendment to the constitution limiting term limits. Just because this rock star is popular with teen girls doesn't mean that he should become ruler for life of the USA.

Jezo, who are you arguing with? No one on this board would think Obama being a lifetime President would be a good thing. No one on this board has probably even thought about it until you bought it up.

[IMSlacker]

Jezo, who are you arguing with? No one on this board would think Obama being a lifetime President would be a good thing. No one on this board has probably even thought about it until you bought it up.

He's just reporting what he's hearing out there on the mean streets.

[Jesus Christ]

So the horrible future you foresee is a president getting re-elected because the people like him? Oh, the HORROR!

People liked Hitler. A lot.

[TheMojoPin]

He's just reporting what he's hearing out there on the mean streets.

And in the sexy gyms.

[TheMojoPin]

People liked Hitler. A lot.

Terrible analogy. You died for our sins, but clearly not for passing your history class.

[Zorro]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/Russia_US_Obamasff_XAZ109_200907061.jpg

I'm digging the orange flag

[HBox]

JESUS CHRIST!

Hi!

[TripleSkeet]

JESUS CHRIST!

Hi!

The real Jesus Christ wouldve kept his middle initial.

[LordJezo]

What's the reason?

FDR wouldn't go away, he was posed to be the Obama of his time.


So you honestly think it's a simple matter of turning the ENTIRE populace of the US into one like NK's?

No, it's not simple, these things happen slowly. Our future will be like THX-1138 or Country of the Last Things soon enough, V for Vendetta will be a mild stepping stone along the way as we pass through Gattica territory into Equilibrium.

Okay I kid, a bit.

But with the way the media leans about as far left as one can go with things like CNN and MSNBC and the way the media bows to Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wLdMZ2hj38) here is no limit to how far they will go to install him as ruler. Fox News is #1 for a reason, a growing number of Americans want the truth and are getting sick of government run media outlets (http://www.drudge.com/news/122447/obamas-health-special-draws-sickly-ratings) that are simply veicheles for Obama to say what he wants unopposed, much like Al Jazeera is for the Taliban.

[foodcourtdruide]

FDR wouldn't go away, he was posed to be the Obama of his time.




No, it's not simple, these things happen slowly. Our future will be like THX-1138 or Country of the Last Things soon enough, V for Vendetta will be a mild stepping stone along the way as we pass through Gattica territory into Equilibrium.

Okay I kid, a bit.

But with the way the media leans about as far left as one can go with things like CNN and MSNBC and the way the media bows to Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wLdMZ2hj38) here is no limit to how far they will go to install him as ruler. Fox News is #1 for a reason, a growing number of Americans want the truth and are getting sick of government run media outlets (http://www.drudge.com/news/122447/obamas-health-special-draws-sickly-ratings) that are simply veicheles for Obama to say what he wants unopposed, much like Al Jazeera is for the Taliban.

Jezo 2 - Mojo 0

[TheMojoPin]

FDR wouldn't go away, he was posed to be the Obama of his time.

What an amazingly retarded view of history. Yeah, FDR "didn't go away." It had zero to do with the populace WANTING to re-elect him given his leadership during these two little things called the Great Depression and WWII.

I wonder how you'd explain that one of the biggest immediate critics of that change was the very first President that it applied to: Dwight D. Eisenhower himself.

No, it's not simple, these things happen slowly. Our future will be like THX-1138 or Country of the Last Things soon enough, V for Vendetta will be a mild stepping stone along the way as we pass through Gattica territory into Equilibrium.

Okay I kid, a bit.

A bit?

But with the way the media leans about as far left as one can go with things like CNN and MSNBC and the way the media bows to Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wLdMZ2hj38) here is no limit to how far they will go to install him as ruler. Fox News is #1 for a reason, a growing number of Americans want the truth and are getting sick of government run media outlets (http://www.drudge.com/news/122447/obamas-health-special-draws-sickly-ratings) that are simply veicheles for Obama to say what he wants unopposed, much like Al Jazeera is for the Taliban.

Fox was #1 well before Obama was on the national scene, so that kind of fucks up this whole tenuous line of non-logic.

I'd be fascinated to see your takes on previous presidents and how their victories and opposition to their policies fit into your trying way too hard conspiracy theorist persona.

You're all over the place: one post nobody can stop Obama and he's on his way to ruling the country for life and most of the country is behind him. The next post there's huge segments of the population in "resistance," which basically shows that any idea that he can somehow rule for life with the support of the people is a crazy crock of shit. Which is it?

[LordJezo]

You're all over the place: one post nobody can stop Obama and he's on his way to ruling the country for life and most of the country is behind him. The next post there's huge segments of the population in "resistance," which basically shows that any idea that he can somehow rule for life with the support of the people is a crazy crock of shit. Which is it?

There is a resistance to him being installed but I doubt that we could do anything at this point to stop it from happening. The best bet is to just hunker down and ride it out. Once the seven years of tribulation are over at least the believers left behind will be taken away. I just hope I make it that long.

[TheMojoPin]

There is a resistance to him being installed but I doubt that we could do anything at this point to stop it from happening. The best bet is to just hunker down and ride it out. Once the seven years of tribulation are over at least the believers left behind will be taken away. I just hope I make it that long.

Give me one good reason to not ban you right now out of spite.

[The Jays]

Installed??? IT'S CALLED BEING FUCKING ELECTED!

[The Jays]

Holy shit, between hearing Jezo from the right and Serpico from the left, my head feels like that dude's in Scanners.

[underdog]

There is a resistance to him being installed but I doubt that we could do anything at this point to stop it from happening. The best bet is to just hunker down and ride it out. Once the seven years of tribulation are over at least the believers left behind will be taken away. I just hope I make it that long.

I think you have this confused with Left Behind.

[foodcourtdruide]

Holy shit, between hearing Jezo from the right and Serpico from the left, my head feels like that dude's in Scanners.

I don't know if I'd consider Jezo rightwing.

[LordJezo]

Give me one good reason to not ban you right now out of spite.

To show myself and other doubters out there that people who lean slightly to the liberal side of politics are compassionate, accepting, and are willing to engage in free and open debates with those who do not agree with them.

[TripleSkeet]

There is a resistance to him being installed but I doubt that we could do anything at this point to stop it from happening. The best bet is to just hunker down and ride it out. Once the seven years of tribulation are over at least the believers left behind will be taken away. I just hope I make it that long.

How do you get to work everyday? I cant believe someone this delusional can actually find there way back home day after day.

[TheMojoPin]

To show myself and other doubters out there that people who lean slightly to the liberal side of politics are compassionate, accepting, and are willing to engage in free and open debates with those who do not agree with them.

Not good enough.

All this talk about abusing power has got the itch going.

[LordJezo]

Not good enough.

All this talk about abusing power has got the itch going.

Those blessed with power must be responsible with that gift in order not to become like those they fought so hard to oppose.

?

[IMSlacker]

So, what was the scuttlebutt at the gym today, Jezo?

[foodcourtdruide]

To show myself and other doubters out there that people who lean slightly to the liberal side of politics are compassionate, accepting, and are willing to engage in free and open debates with those who do not agree with them.

So mojo leans slightly left, but obama is a left-wing radical? Mojo, would you say you're more left than obama?

[TheMojoPin]

So mojo leans slightly left, but obama is a left-wing radical? Mojo, would you say you're more left than obama?

Definitely. I make Kucinich look moderate.

Jezo, in all seriousness, it should be pretty clear I'm always open for debate. Now, I was never really going to ban you, but you can't expect people to have anything resembling a rational debate or discussion with you when everything you come here with are based on these ridiculous and fantastic conspiracy theories that clearly have zero basis in reality.

[LordJezo]

zero basis in reality.

But I provide links to Youtube and site references from the gym.

[brettmojo]

But I provide links to Youtube and site references from the gym.
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/indyfridge.jpg

[foodcourtdruide]

But I provide links to Youtube and site references from the gym.

Lol I think this gimmick will soon be revealed.

[underdog]

But I provide links to Youtube and site references from the gym.

Is LordJezo finally getting sick of this character?

[TripleSkeet]

But I provide links to Youtube and site references from the gym.

That ruled. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Ogre]

"No business wants to invest in a place where the government skims 20 percent off the top, or the head of the Port Authority is corrupt. No person wants to live in a society where the rule of law gives way to the rule of brutality and bribery.

Exchange the term Port Authority with Congress, and presto chango you have our present domestic situation. Allbeit with a higher corporate skim rate.

Obama should practice what he preaches.

[The Jays]

Way to cite a quote.

[epo]

Blue jeans in public? What an asshole!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2009/All-Star-Game/Obama-All-Star-8.jpg

[Dude!]

Blue jeans in public? What an asshole!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2009/All-Star-Game/Obama-All-Star-8.jpg

doesn't seem to have
much of a package
for a bro

[brettmojo]

doesn't seem to have
much of a package
for a bro
It's hard to sport some wood when it's covered by Kevlar underoos.

[mr. jefferson]

I'm not reading all of the prior posts because it's exhausting.

I don't hate the guy, I just feel he would rather control me than let me be responsible for myself. He seems to want every aspect of our lives planned and controlled by some central agency. I'm not into that. I just want everyone to leave me alone and I'll leave them alone as well. I am very willing to give up any "safety net" for freedom.

He probably will be the worst President since FDR. But, it all depends on your premise. If you don't like seperation of powers, or individual freedoms, then you probably really like Obama. If you think it is better to sacrifice individual freedom and economic growth and efficiency for government planning and "fairness" than he's probably your favorite President ever. He has already, in 7 months, expanded (or talked about expanding) the power of the executive branch more than any other President since FDR (W. was probably second in that btw).

Who is John Galt?

[HBox]

Who is John Galt?

A fictional character who can't seem to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Bob Impact]

I'm not reading all of the prior posts because it's exhausting.

I don't hate the guy, I just feel he would rather control me than let me be responsible for myself. He seems to want every aspect of our lives planned and controlled by some central agency. I'm not into that. I just want everyone to leave me alone and I'll leave them alone as well. I am very willing to give up any "safety net" for freedom.

He probably will be the worst President since FDR. But, it all depends on your premise. If you don't like seperation of powers, or individual freedoms, then you probably really like Obama. If you think it is better to sacrifice individual freedom and economic growth and efficiency for government planning and "fairness" than he's probably your favorite President ever. He has already, in 7 months, expanded (or talked about expanding) the power of the executive branch more than any other President since FDR (W. was probably second in that btw).

Who is John Galt?
Oh wow, I got halfway through your first paragraph and said to myself "I swear by my life and my love of it..."

I've found that "But you, you grotesque little atavists, stare blindly at skyscrapers and smokestacks and dream of enslaving the providers." has basically summed up my feelings towards the US as a mass lately.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't hate the guy, I just feel he would rather control me than let me be responsible for myself. He seems to want every aspect of our lives planned and controlled by some central agency.

This seems like leaping from point A to point Q.

[mr. jefferson]

This seems like leaping from point A to point Q.

Not really, I just mean personally. I really dislike his ideals, it doesn't mean I hate him as a person. He has espoused his same ideals for as long as he has been politically relevant. I think he and I have a different ideas on what is best for governing the individuals in this country. A different premise if you will. That is all. It doesn't mean I don't think he's dangerous, and I'm sure he would think of my ideals as dangerous. This is what we need to discuss. We get way too involved in the cult of personality in this country. The idea that, "He seems like a guy I'd like to hang out with!" That really doesn't matter.

As far as me asking, "Who is John Galt?", yes he is a character of fiction. However, no one would question that statement unless they felt threatened by it or just didn't get it. In the case of the latter, I would love to explain it.

[TheMojoPin]

Not really, I just mean personally. I really dislike his ideals, it doesn't mean I hate him as a person. He has espoused his same ideals for as long as he has been politically relevant. I think he and I have a different ideas on what is best for governing the individuals in this country. A different premise if you will. That is all. It doesn't mean I don't think he's dangerous, and I'm sure he would think of my ideals as dangerous. This is what we need to discuss. We get way too involved in the cult of personality in this country. The idea that, "He seems like a guy I'd like to hang out with!" That really doesn't matter.

I get that, but I don't get the idea of thinking that he actively wants to and is attempting to do something along the lines of:

would rather control me than let me be responsible for myself. He seems to want every aspect of our lives planned and controlled by some central agency.

I understand the appeal of "small government" and lassez-faire approaches and how many of Obama and the Democrat's policies don't jive with the idealized versions of that approach, but it doesn't seem realistic to think that any politician of that level actually thinks they could "control" each part of our lives. That's simply not even remotely realistic.

[HBox]

Not really, I just mean personally. I really dislike his ideals, it doesn't mean I hate him as a person. He has espoused his same ideals for as long as he has been politically relevant. I think he and I have a different ideas on what is best for governing the individuals in this country. A different premise if you will. That is all. It doesn't mean I don't think he's dangerous, and I'm sure he would think of my ideals as dangerous. This is what we need to discuss. We get way too involved in the cult of personality in this country. The idea that, "He seems like a guy I'd like to hang out with!" That really doesn't matter.

As far as me asking, "Who is John Galt?", yes he is a character of fiction. However, no one would question that statement unless they felt threatened by it or just didn't get it. In the case of the latter, I would love to explain it.

It was a comment on Galt's never-ending monologue in that horribly written book. I GET IT, you don't like being taxed. Ayn Rand is an atrocious writer.

[Gvac]

Did you see him throw out the first pitch at the All-Star game?

He throws like a girl!

[A.J.]

Did you see him throw out the first pitch at the All-Star game?

He throws like a girl!

Stan the Man could have done better from his golf cart.

[LordJezo]

Home ownership is over in America

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1429265720090714?rpc=77

It starts that way but soon enough the government will own all homes and everyone will be forced to rent from them.

Fucking scary.

But expected now that free society is over and we are slaves to the state. As the government gets more and more housing under their belt private options will be done for and you'll only be able to rent from big brother.

Then with that they'll say things like "Well, rent from us and you'll have to subscribe to all the rest of our rules", things like forced child care and eventually removal of children from all homes to be raised in government boarding facilities and we have a future where we don't have control over any single portion of our lives.

[The Jays]

I'm just going to assume from now on that you don't read the articles that you cite.

[LordJezo]

I'm just going to assume from now on that you don't read the articles that you cite.

delinquent homeowners would surrender ownership of their homes

What else is there? Obama now will own our homes along with our healthcare, automobiles, and banks.

It's right in front of our eyes, the government is taking over all aspects of private life.

jobless borrowers might receive a housing stipend

So they are also giving people reason to surrender their homes. Not only will they be slaves to the government for homes but now they will also rely on the government for daily expenses. They are making it easier and easier for people to give up personal responsibility and simply become wards of the state.

[LordJezo]

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The truth is out there for those willing to listen.

For the rest, at least you have a few months of ignorance left until you are swept down with the rest of us.

[epo]

The truth is out there for those willing to listen.

For the rest, at least you have a few months of ignorance left until you are swept down with the rest of us.

So my plan is working? EXCELLENT!

I finally wrote the Lord Jezo Doctrine last night. Lets just say that slavery will be back in business for him & maybe a certain G-vac fella.

[LordJezo]

So my plan is working? EXCELLENT!

I finally wrote the Lord Jezo Doctrine last night. Lets just say that slavery will be back in business for him & maybe a certain G-vac fella.

You'll be a slave too. This stuff is such high level that to them we are all cattle. This is being done in the top levels of society. Until you get your invitation to a Bildaberg conference you have just as much to fear as the rest of us.

[TjM]

Never use anyone crazier than you to back up a point Jez. Alex Jones makes you look sane

[douchebagsean]

forget Obama...try worst Congress EVER

[Furtherman]

We get way too involved in the cult of personality in this country. The idea that, "He seems like a guy I'd like to hang out with!" That really doesn't matter.

That was the basis of Bush's cult of personality. He's just a brush clearnin' regular joe!

As for Obama's "cult" of personality - the only people who are complaining about that are his detractors, spreading a so called false outrage that he is viewed as some kind of savior.

If anything, he was viewed as a relief from eight years of a boneheaded administration.

Now it's politics as usual and still too early to tell whether any policies will be failures or successes.

[IMSlacker]

Then with that they'll say things like "Well, rent from us and you'll have to subscribe to all the rest of our rules", things like forced child care and eventually removal of children from all homes to be raised in government boarding facilities and we have a future where we don't have control over any single portion of our lives.

This is the best news ever. Have you tried raising kids? Wow, what a hassle!

[LordJezo]

Now it's politics as usual and still too early to tell whether any policies will be failures or successes.

Socialized medicine seems to be a failure everywhere else in the world with super long wait times, frustration by both the people and doctors involved, and mountains of paperwork and bureaucracy, why will it be any different here?

[Furtherman]

Socialized medicine seems to be a failure in my twisted gym mind.

Yea, yea, we know.

[Jujubees2]

Socialized medicine seems to be a failure everywhere else in the world with super long wait times, frustration by both the people and doctors involved, and mountains of paperwork and bureaucracy, why will it be any different here?

It isn't any different here right now.

[LordJezo]

It isn't any different here right now.

I'll give you that one, it does suck and the insurance companies are jerks, but how does going from a broken system to another one that has been a failure everywhere else a good idea? It sucks now and it's going to suck even more once we switch to socialism. The rich are still going to get whatever kind of care they want at private facilities while the rest us are going to be competing even harder just to simply be assigned a family doctor by the state or see anyone for any simple ailment.

How about some real change and reform instead of just giving all the power to Obama and letting him decide where I can go to a doctor and what kind of care I can get?

[Jujubees2]

I'll give you that one, it does suck and the insurance companies are jerks, but how does going from a broken system to another one that has been a failure everywhere else a good idea? It sucks now and it's going to suck even more once we switch to socialism. The rich are still going to get whatever kind of care they want at private facilities while the rest us are going to be competing even harder just to simply be assigned a family doctor by the state or see anyone for any simple ailment.

How about some real change and reform instead of just giving all the power to Obama and letting him decide where I can go to a doctor and what kind of care I can get?

What would be your proposal?

[LordJezo]

What would be your proposal?

I just do eyes.

I'm not some bigshot national policy maker, figuring that shit out isn't my job, but seeing the left go full throttle down the highway of national healthcare is scary seeing how people in other countries seem to hate it and wait forever to see any kind of doctor.

[Furtherman]

What would be your proposal?

Don't bother asking. He still thinks we're heading to socialism.

[mr. jefferson]

[QUOTE=Furtherman;2349194]That was the basis of Bush's cult of personality. He's just a brush clearnin' regular joe!

QUOTE]

Absolutely, I knew someone who voted for Bush in 2004 because he reminded her of her grandpa.

You don't think Obama is getting by on charisma, or personality, or whatever you want to call it? Has he ever made one meaningful speech? He delivers glittering generalities in a copied cadance. The people ate it up. Good for him I guess, but I actually disagree with him on most issues. The issues I thought I agreed with him on he has either put them on the back burner or changed his tune.

I'm not being partisan. Both parties are corrupt and very similar to each other. If McCain was is there the rhetoric may be a little different but the policies would be the same. Obama talked about change, but he is just continuing Bush's policies to the Nth degree. He talked about how if you are heading towards a cliff you need to change direction. He hasn't changed direction, he's stepped on the gas. When are the troops coming home? Oh wait, 20k more troops to Afghanistan. The national debt is horrible. I know let's take it to record breaking levels.

Please don't misconstrue my criticism as a partisan attack. I've never voted for a winner in a Presidential election. Perhaps someday we will have a true choice.

[foodcourtdruide]

Socialized medicine seems to be a failure everywhere else in the world with super long wait times, frustration by both the people and doctors involved, and mountains of paperwork and bureaucracy, why will it be any different here?

9 out of 10 gyms agree with this statement.

[foodcourtdruide]

[QUOTE=Furtherman;2349194]That was the basis of Bush's cult of personality. He's just a brush clearnin' regular joe!

QUOTE]

Absolutely, I knew someone who voted for Bush in 2004 because he reminded her of her grandpa.

You don't think Obama is getting by on charisma, or personality, or whatever you want to call it? Has he ever made one meaningful speech? He delivers glittering generalities in a copied cadance. The people ate it up. Good for him I guess, but I actually disagree with him on most issues. The issues I thought I agreed with him on he has either put them on the back burner or changed his tune.

I'm not being partisan. Both parties are corrupt and very similar to each other. If McCain was is there the rhetoric may be a little different but the policies would be the same. Obama talked about change, but he is just continuing Bush's policies to the Nth degree. He talked about how if you are heading towards a cliff you need to change direction. He hasn't changed direction, he's stepped on the gas. When are the troops coming home? Oh wait, 20k more troops to Afghanistan. The national debt is horrible. I know let's take it to record breaking levels.

Please don't misconstrue my criticism as a partisan attack. I've never voted for a winner in a Presidential election. Perhaps someday we will have a true choice.

I don't think saying "he's getting by on charisma" is fair at all. Say what you will about the guy, but he has an unbelievable academic background and he was U.S. Senator.

Look at our foreign policies, he is not following Bush's policies to the Nth degree.

[Furtherman]

I don't think he's getting "by", anything. I think he's doing his job the best that he can given the circumstances he was handed when taking the job. He has given meaningful speeches. His inauguration speech for one, although that can be written off as every President has, but it was meaningful nonetheless.

And the most meaningful and historic one he gave was in Cairo, calling for a "new beginning between the United States and Muslims".

"Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire."

Governments have a high turn-over rate - but his outreach to the people of a region is extremely important. We need them to be our allies and our friends. Not based on religion, but on humanity.

As for domestic issues, I still think it's too early to tell how anything is going to turn up - he'll make more decisions and more meaningful speeches, but we have to have patiences. He hasn't even been in office half a year yet.

(ok, five days from now will be six months)

[TheMojoPin]

Did you see him throw out the first pitch at the All-Star game?

He throws like a girl!

After seeing that big, loopy toss I'm happy to let the White Sox have him.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't think he's getting "by", anything. I think he's doing his job the best that he can given the circumstances he was handed when taking the job. He has given meaningful speeches. His inauguration speech for one, although that can be written off as every President has, but it was meaningful nonetheless.

The one he gave about race in America as the Reverend Wright affair was reaching a boiling point was incredible. I personally think that's the best one he's given so far and one of the most honest and realistic speeches on that issue by a President in a long time.

[mr. jefferson]

It was a comment on Galt's never-ending monologue in that horribly written book. I GET IT, you don't like being taxed. Ayn Rand is an atrocious writer.

It isn't just about taxes, it's about all aspects of our lives. This directs to Mojo's comment as well. You don't think politicians in general (not just the Obama Administration) want to control your life? Where can you smoke, or how much is it to smoke, in New York now? Who gets to decide that? Why can't you and another person agree to exchange certain services for money, i.e. sex? Why is pot illegal? Why can't I carry a handgun on me? I have no criminal record. Laws are in place in every aspect of our lives controlling where we travel, what we can own, who and what we can trade with. How long before they get to alcohol or "junk food". Not long, something is going to have to pay for nationalized healthcare. You don't think that giving them your healthcare is giving them control?

Again, if you are okay with all of that, then that is okay. I'm not. We can have that debate. To me that type of ideological debate is far more interesting than abortion or other lightning rod, decided law, issues.

Forgive me for weaving in and out, I'm addressing not only your message but others as well. It's giving me a headache too.

[TheMojoPin]

It isn't just about taxes, it's about all aspects of our lives. This directs to Mojo's comment as well. You don't think politicians in general (not just the Obama Administration) want to control your life?

To the degree that you said? EVERY aspect of our lives? No, I really don't, and even if one did they'd be nuts if they thought it was possible. It's simply not pracitcal.

Even though I know people will flip out over this, there's a difference between the arrogance of someone wanting to actually control someone's life every step of the way and completely eliminating personal choice and (what we actually encounter) the arrogance of people who think they know what's best for everyone while still working within "the system" that we have set up.

Besides, all the aspects of "control" you listed are always going to be aspects of somebody's "control." You talk like American politicians are somehow more nefarious than the businessmen that either already do or would control those parts of our lives.

[mr. jefferson]

[QUOTE=mr. jefferson;2349243]

I don't think saying "he's getting by on charisma" is fair at all. Say what you will about the guy, but he has an unbelievable academic background and he was U.S. Senator.

Look at our foreign policies, he is not following Bush's policies to the Nth degree.


How is our foreign policy different? Are there not more troops deployed today than there were 7 months ago? Yes, troops in Iraq have pulled out of certain cities and that is great, but wasn't that timetable already established? I guess he hasn't invaded any new countries yet. Do we give him that one?

To address not just your comment but the others as well: I suppose my "meaningless" speech comment was a little out of line because that meaningfulness is completely subjective. They have been of little meaning to me, but I can't really think of a speech that did mean a whole lot to me. Most speeches are well rehearsed, hollow rhetoric. Truthfully that doesn't matter. What does matter is someone's ideas of government involvement in our lives. How much money should they be able to take, spend on our behalf, what they should spend it on etc... I disagree with him on not just economic issues, but on most social issues as well. I am for a non-interventionist foreign policy and the maximum amount of economic and social freedom in our domestic policy. I don't feel either the Democrats or Republicans we have in office right now feel the same way. I hope that changes.

As far as getting along with Muslims goes, instead of giving speeches, we should stop bombing them. Perhaps they'll respond in kind. (and yes, I know how naive that statement sounds, but it would be nice)

[west milly Tom]

To the degree that you said? EVERY aspect of our lives? No, I really don't, and even if one did they'd be nuts if they thought it was possible. It's simply not pracitcal.

Even though I know people will flip out over this, there's a difference between the arrogance of someone wanting to actually control someone's life every step of the way and completely eliminating personal choice and (what we actually encounter) the arrogance of people who think they know what's best for everyone while still working within "the system" that we have set up.

Besides, all the aspects of "control" you listed are always going to be aspects of somebody's "control." You talk like American politicians are somehow more nefarious than the businessmen that either already do or would control those parts of our lives.



Yea maaaaan, the corporations are the problem maaaaan.

Seriously bro, eww.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yea maaaaan, the corporations are the problem maaaaan.

Seriously bro, eww.

I don't think Mojo's statement is out of bounds. Jezo talked before how he didn't want the government to determine whether he could go to the doctor or not, but currently health insurance companies make these decisions.

Whether right or wrong, corporations do have control over many aspects of our lives.

[TheMojoPin]

Yea maaaaan, the corporations are the problem maaaaan.

Seriously bro, eww.

That's not what I said at all.

I was pointing out how his issue seems to be over the idea of people "controling" him, but it's impossible to live his life without being "controled" by someone else by the criteria he seems to be going by. Why is "control" by a level of government so much worse than "control" in the same matters by a businessman or corporation or just someone else, period? At the end of the day he still has squat when it comes to "control."

[Syd]

It isn't just about taxes, it's about all aspects of our lives. This directs to Mojo's comment as well. You don't think politicians in general (not just the Obama Administration) want to control your life? Where can you smoke, or how much is it to smoke, in New York now? Who gets to decide that? Why can't you and another person agree to exchange certain services for money, i.e. sex? Why is pot illegal? Why can't I carry a handgun on me? I have no criminal record. Laws are in place in every aspect of our lives controlling where we travel, what we can own, who and what we can trade with. How long before they get to alcohol or "junk food". Not long, something is going to have to pay for nationalized healthcare. You don't think that giving them your healthcare is giving them control?

Again, if you are okay with all of that, then that is okay. I'm not. We can have that debate. To me that type of ideological debate is far more interesting than abortion or other lightning rod, decided law, issues.

Forgive me for weaving in and out, I'm addressing not only your message but others as well. It's giving me a headache too.

You act as if someone won't step in and control your decisions. Eventually your decisions will result in reduced profit and corporations will begin altering what you can buy, what you can do and so on and so forth.

Corporations already decide your healthcare as is -- we can't pretend we haven't seen the Grisham novel on healthcare or the litany of other actual incidences when people get screwed out of coverage for having pre-existing conditions or other caveats that allow insurers to escape responsbility.

Face it, one way or another someone is going to be running your life.

[mr. jefferson]

To the degree that you said? EVERY aspect of our lives? No, I really don't, and even if one did they'd be nuts if they thought it was possible. It's simply not pracitcal.

Even though I know people will flip out over this, there's a difference between the arrogance of someone wanting to actually control someone's life every step of the way and completely eliminating personal choice and (what we actually encounter) the arrogance of people who think they know what's best for everyone while still working within "the system" that we have set up.

Besides, all the aspects of "control" you listed are always going to be aspects of somebody's "control." You talk like American politicians are somehow more nefarious than the businessmen that either already do or would control those parts of our lives.

I really wish I wasn't going through a proxy so I could keep up a little better. I'm going to have to tap out soon. The stupid SonicWall here at work considers .net a porn site.

Anyway, I do mean control, by and large, in the way you stated it. The elimination of personal choice. I consider it the same. The only entity we give the legitimate authority to use violence is the government. I agree with that, but to me that does make them more dangerous. If you don't like a business person's product, you don't buy it. You don't like the terms of a banker's loan, then don't take it. If you don't like participating by the government's rules someone with a gun will show up at your house. To me that makes them more dangerous. They truly have the power to force you to behave a certain way. Our "system" is actually very fragile, and since the broad interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause, it is constantly expanding as far as 9 lawyers choose to take it.

I appreciate the debate. I'm actually enjoying talking about this like adults. I will save my crude Jr. High poop jokes for other threads. I had better quit this for now though out of a small amount of guilt for wasting company time and the fact I hate going through proxies. Later!

[Furtherman]

[QUOTE=foodcourtdruide;2349249]


How is our foreign policy different? Are there not more troops deployed today than there were 7 months ago? Yes, troops in Iraq have pulled out of certain cities and that is great, but wasn't that timetable already established? I guess he hasn't invaded any new countries yet. Do we give him that one?



As far as getting along with Muslims goes, instead of giving speeches, we should stop bombing them. Perhaps they'll respond in kind. (and yes, I know how naive that statement sounds, but it would be nice)

We're moving troops to where the real enemy has always been - Afghanistan, and the Pakistan border. Moving them out of a mistake is the right choice.

We're bombing extreme radicals - who happen to be Muslim but the same as any other religious zealot with guns - humanity's enemy. Most of them have got to go because they have nothing else to live for but to kill for a backwards philosophy.

[underdog]

Yea maaaaan, the corporations are the problem maaaaan.

Seriously bro, eww.

Good one.

[TheMojoPin]

Anyway, I do mean control, by and large, in the way you stated it. The elimination of personal choice. I consider it the same. The only entity we give the legitimate authority to use violence is the government. I agree with that, but to me that does make them more dangerous. If you don't like a business person's product, you don't buy it. You don't like the terms of a banker's loan, then don't take it. If you don't like participating by the government's rules someone with a gun will show up at your house. To me that makes them more dangerous. They truly have the power to force you to behave a certain way.

This is way too simplistic. You're talking like almost anyone who simply disagrees with the government could have the army kicking down the door. You're going to have to expand on what you mean by "playing by the government's rules" if you're going to also imply like jackbooted thugs with guns are a likely result.

[A.J.]

Yea maaaaan, the corporations are the problem maaaaan.

Seriously bro, eww.

We were warned about this.

http://www.spscriptorium.com/Treats/TimRobbins.jpg

[Furtherman]

Yea maaaaan, the corporations are the problem maaaaan.

Seriously bro, eww.

I don't think I've ever seen the "maaaaaan" hack bit used correctly here or on wackbag.


The only entity we give the legitimate authority to use violence is the government. I agree with that, but to me that does make them more dangerous. If you don't like a business person's product, you don't buy it. You don't like the terms of a banker's loan, then don't take it. If you don't like participating by the government's rules someone with a gun will show up at your house. To me that makes them more dangerous. They truly have the power to force you to behave a certain way.

That's a bit extreme. If I don't pay my taxes, the government isn't going to show up to my house with a gun.

You'll be visited by - who is this government person with a gun anyway? The FBI? CIA? - anyway, you'll get that knock on the door when your involved - or will be involved - in a violent crime. And it'll be the local police in most instances.

The government isn't going to round us all up for power and control. That's just conspiracy crazy-talk. Maaaaaaaan.

[mr. jefferson]

This is way too simplistic. You're talking like almost anyone who simply disagrees with the government could have the army kicking down the door. You're going to have to expand on what you mean by "playing by the government's rules" if you're going to also imply like jackbooted thugs with guns are a likely result.

No, they don't have to be "jackbooted thugs". If you don't pay your taxes, a person with a gun will show up at your door. If you do anything illegal, you will be lead out of your house, into and out of a courtroom, and into a cell by someone whose ultimate threat against you is one of violence. It isn't simplistic, but it is simple.

Okay, seriously, now I'm out.

[mr. jefferson]

I don't think I've ever seen the "maaaaaan" hack bit used correctly here or on wackbag.




That's a bit extreme. If I don't pay my taxes, the government isn't going to show up to my house with a gun.

You'll be visited by - who is this government person with a gun anyway? The FBI? CIA? - anyway, you'll get that knock on the door when your involved - or will be involved - in a violent crime. And it'll be the local police in most instances.

The government isn't going to round us all up for power and control. That's just conspiracy crazy-talk. Maaaaaaaan.

The local police aren't a government entity? Hmm, where do you live? The mall?

[Furtherman]

If you don't pay your taxes, a person with a gun will show up at your door.

And what kingdom do you live in? Because your king is a bit of a dick.

[mr. jefferson]

And what kingdom do you live in? Because your king is a bit of a dick.

I agree

[Furtherman]

The local police aren't a government entity? Hmm, where do you live? The mall?

I live in Jersey, and as much as it looks like a mall, the local police are here thanks to the county government. Besides, I'm not going to get shot if I don't pay my property taxes. There will be other consequences, but I'll be alive, albeit a bit uncomfortable.

[TheMojoPin]

No, they don't have to be "jackbooted thugs". If you don't pay your taxes, a person with a gun will show up at your door. If you do anything illegal, you will be lead out of your house, into and out of a courtroom, and into a cell by someone whose ultimate threat against you is one of violence. It isn't simplistic, but it is simple.

Okay, seriously, now I'm out.

Yes, if you break the law then the authorities will likely be after you. You take issue with this basic idea?

And there's no threat of violence aginst you not paying your taxes.

[Serpico1103]

No, they don't have to be "jackbooted thugs". If you don't pay your taxes, a person with a gun will show up at your door. If you do anything illegal, you will be lead out of your house, into and out of a courtroom, and into a cell by someone whose ultimate threat against you is one of violence. It isn't simplistic, but it is simple.

Okay, seriously, now I'm out.

So you want people to be able to break laws without repercussion?

Which is more dangerous living in a society with a democratic government that has the power to enforce laws, or living in a society without a central power structure?

[TripleSkeet]

Yea maaaaan, the corporations are the problem maaaaan.

Seriously bro, eww.

Corporations ARE the fucking problem. The corporate way of thinking goes completely against creativity, indivuality and free thinking.

They give us things like political correctness, zero tolerance and sensitivity training.

[The Jays]

What else is there? Obama now will own our homes along with our healthcare, automobiles, and banks.

It's right in front of our eyes, the government is taking over all aspects of private life.



So they are also giving people reason to surrender their homes. Not only will they be slaves to the government for homes but now they will also rely on the government for daily expenses. They are making it easier and easier for people to give up personal responsibility and simply become wards of the state.

Instead of selectively quoting parts of the article to fit your cascade of a slippery slope argument, why not quote the full paragraphs so that people have the context of the article?

Under one idea being discussed, delinquent homeowners would surrender ownership of their homes but would continue to live in the property for several years, the sources told Reuters.

Officials are also considering whether the government should make mortgage payments on behalf of borrowers who cannot keep up with their home loans, tapping an unused portion of a $50 billion housing aid kitty.

As part of this plan, jobless borrowers might receive a housing stipend along with regular unemployment benefits, the sources said. (Reporting by Patrick Rucker; Editing by Diane Craft)



"UNDER ONE IDEA BEING DISCUSSED." "OFFICIALS ARE ALSO CONSIDERING..." "AS PART OF THIS PLAN..."

The whole point of the article is that the administration and Congress are trying to figure out a way to keep people who are struggling with their mortgages from living on the fucking streets. But of course, you wouldn't give a shit about that, because it doesn't fit into your evil fucking theory that Obama is trying to enslave the fucking world in socialism.

[Bob Impact]

To the degree that you said? EVERY aspect of our lives? No, I really don't, and even if one did they'd be nuts if they thought it was possible. It's simply not pracitcal.
I think you misunderstood what he was replying to, this was in regards to the philosophy of Ayn Rand which is indeed about an entire moral code.

Corporations ARE the fucking problem. The corporate way of thinking goes completely against creativity, indivuality and free thinking.

They give us things like political correctness, zero tolerance and sensitivity training.
I started working for a major corporation two years ago and have been in a period of the most intense creative, individualistic time of my life. Don't confused BAD corporations with ALL corporations. And all 3 things you mention are responses to an overly litigious society, not corporations.

[The Jays]

Philosophy is to Ayn Rand as Nutrition is to Colonel Sanders.

[mr. jefferson]

Yes, if you break the law then the authorities will likely be after you. You take issue with this basic idea?

And there's no threat of violence aginst you not paying your taxes.

I don't take issue with that idea. You asked (I'll have to paraphrase I don't remember your exact words) why I fear government more than business. It is because government is the only entity with a legitimate mandate for violence. We give them that mandate so that we can have some order. I don't take issue with that, but it does mean that I feel we should scrutinize them more. Why would anyone assume that a company that is after your dollar is somehow worse that a government out to control your behavior?

And yes, if you don't pay your taxes there is an overall threat of violence. If you don't pay your taxes you will be fined, and if you don't pay those fines you will be jailed. If you refuse to go to jail, violence will be used against you. Yes, it is legitimate, but it is violence. Pepsi can't hit you with a nightstick if you refuse to buy a six pack of Mountain Dew. We've gotten way off the original topic, but all good questions nonetheless.

[foodcourtdruide]

And yes, if you don't pay your taxes there is an overall threat of violence. If you don't pay your taxes you will be fined, and if you don't pay those fines you will be jailed. If you refuse to go to jail, violence will be used against you. Yes, it is legitimate, but it is violence. Pepsi can't hit you with a nightstick if you refuse to buy a six pack of Mountain Dew. We've gotten way off the original topic, but all good questions nonetheless.

Refusing jail can cause you violence, not not paying taxes. Those are two separate crimes.

[The Jays]

Why would violence be used against you? They would only hurt you if you put them in danger. They would just pursue you until they had you trapped and force you to go to jail. They can't just come and beat the shit out of you, because then you have a case against the state. So, no, there is never a threat of violence unless you choose to commit violence. There is the threat of imprisonment.

[Gvac]

You are all missing the point -

HE THROWS LIKE A GIRL.

Please try to not get so distracted.

[epo]

You are all missing the point -

HE THROWS LIKE A GIRL.

Please try to not get so distracted.

I've seen you throw, Grandma.

[The Jays]

Who gives a shit either way? Just pay your taxes, what you think you should pay, and fight it in court if they say otherwise. And if you have a problem with the taxes you have to pay, maybe you should have thought before you let dumbasses get voted into office that screwed up the system and left you with deficits to pay off and problems left unsolved for years and years while they fought bad guys in the name of their father.

[mr. jefferson]

You are all missing the point -

HE THROWS LIKE A GIRL.

Please try to not get so distracted.

I would think it would be hard to throw with that kevlar vest on. Perhaps he should've underhanded it like in softball.

Lincoln would've rocketed that thing. A guy with limbs like that? Fucking lights out.

[Gvac]

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[Bob Impact]

I would think it would be hard to throw with that kevlar vest on. Perhaps he should've underhanded it like in softball.

Lincoln would've rocketed that thing. A guy with limbs like that? Fucking lights out.

Lincoln was a wrestler as well, I'm thinking that's gonna give you some pretty good wrists... he would be able to get some serious action on that ball.

[epo]

Lincoln was a wrestler as well, I'm thinking that's gonna give you some pretty good wrists... he would be able to get some serious action on that ball.

So he was a good masturbator too?

[Bob Impact]

Ladies and gentleman, the president of the United States:
http://shoeblogs.com/wordpress/images/poshbaseball.jpg

[Gvac]

Ladies and gentleman, the president of the United States:
http://shoeblogs.com/wordpress/images/poshbaseball.jpg

GROSS!!!

Who is that wrinkled old skinny whore in the stupid shoes?

[mr. jefferson]

GROSS!!!

Who is that wrinkled old skinny whore in the stupid shoes?

Sheryl Crow. She sang the national anthem.

[epo]

Sheryl Crow. She sang the national anthem.

Or Victoria Beckham "Posh Spice".

[Bob Impact]

So he was a good masturbator too?
With that beard he would have to be.

Or Victoria Beckham "Posh Spice".

^ It is indeed "Posh" spice, or as I call her "Ms. funniest picture on the first page of a google image search for 'throws like a girl.'"

[Bob Impact]

Who gives a shit either way? Just pay your taxes, what you think you should pay, and fight it in court if they say otherwise. And if you have a problem with the taxes you have to pay, maybe you should have thought before you let dumbasses get voted into office that screwed up the system and left you with deficits to pay off and problems left unsolved for years and years while they fought bad guys in the name of their father.

FYI - we haven't been out of debt since the 1830's.

[mr. jefferson]

Or Victoria Beckham "Posh Spice".

Well, I was being a smartass, but nonetheless did anyone see Sheryl Crow last night? HD can be so cruel.

[Dude!]

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here's a president
who knew how to throw
like a man:

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[Gvac]

Confident.

Powerful.

MANLY.

How I miss him.

I hope you're all happy with this half a fag you elected.

[Serpico1103]

here's a president
who knew how to throw
like a man:


We should ignore; intelligence, past achievements, ability to pronounce common words. Reliance on whether the man can throw a fastball is a much more important criteria.

[IamFogHat]

here's a president
who knew how to throw
like a man:

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Between this and the shoe throwing evading he pulled off I'm almost willing to retract every negative thing I ever said about the man. If only there was a side by side comparison about how him and John Kerry handle footballs...

[Pestz4Evah]

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[hanso]

The guy owned a baseball team.
You would expect him to know how to toss a baseball.

[Gvac]

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Great.

Now even Conan is stealing my lines?

[The Jays]

NASA lost all of the pictures and video for the Apollo 11 mission.

Just another sign that government programs do not work and that we are on the path to goose-stepping and saluting the Communist flag.

[Dude!]

NASA lost all of the pictures and video for the Apollo 11 mission.

Just another sign that government programs do not work and that we are on the path to goose-stepping and saluting the Communist flag.

you throw like a girl too

[TheMojoPin]

I don't take issue with that idea. You asked (I'll have to paraphrase I don't remember your exact words) why I fear government more than business. It is because government is the only entity with a legitimate mandate for violence. We give them that mandate so that we can have some order. I don't take issue with that, but it does mean that I feel we should scrutinize them more. Why would anyone assume that a company that is after your dollar is somehow worse that a government out to control your behavior?

Because at the end of the day the US government isn't looking to "totally control" everyone or their behavior or do so through violence. It's simply not realistic.

I of course agree that the government should always be scruitinized at all times, but not necessarily always in the context of it doing bodily harm to me. That's crossing the line into paranoia if I allow that to define my scruitiny of the government.

[The Jays]

Every government wants to control everything people do. That's what cartoons have taught us.

[Moe Lester]

hes well on his way to becoming the biggest disgrace weve seen

[The-Mexi-Cant]

Ok there are just entirely too many pages in this thread for me to read them all. I just have one question (maybe I'm posting in the wrong thread? maybe I should go to best pres ever thread?) .... has he done anything exceptional at all? I'm seriously asking... I don't follow the news too closely or really politics but it seems like everybody (well I guess anybody who isn't white) was talking about how he is gonna turn the country around and the troops would immediately be brought home and the economy would be fixed and blah blah blah. Now I like the idea of a man of color being in the presidential role (if you couldn't tell by my forum name... I'm mostly mexican) but I don't really see the miracle everybody was talking about. Sorry if I'm late to this thread but I just joined RF.net :bye:

[Gvac]

This country is crumbling like a stale crouton.

Ol' Dubya didn't have to wait long to have someone bump him from the top of the list of worst Presidents ever.

[foodcourtdruide]

Ok there are just entirely too many pages in this thread for me to read them all. I just have one question (maybe I'm posting in the wrong thread? maybe I should go to best pres ever thread?) .... has he done anything exceptional at all? I'm seriously asking... I don't follow the news too closely or really politics but it seems like everybody (well I guess anybody who isn't white) was talking about how he is gonna turn the country around and the troops would immediately be brought home and the economy would be fixed and blah blah blah. Now I like the idea of a man of color being in the presidential role (if you couldn't tell by my forum name... I'm mostly mexican) but I don't really see the miracle everybody was talking about. Sorry if I'm late to this thread but I just joined RF.net :bye:

Well, he did implant that tracking device in Lord Jezo's brain and he's close to shutting down his gym.

[Dude!]

This country is crumbling like a stale crouton.

Ol' Dubya didn't have to wait long to have someone bump him from the top of the list of worst Presidents ever.

James Buchanan has the top spot
but he is getting nervous!

[TheMojoPin]

but I don't really see the miracle everybody was talking about.

What miracle?

Who is everybody?

[Furtherman]

I'm seriously asking... I don't follow the news too closely or really politics but it seems like everybody (well I guess anybody who isn't white) was talking about how he is gonna turn the country around and the troops would immediately be brought home and the economy would be fixed and blah blah blah. Now I like the idea of a man of color being in the presidential role (if you couldn't tell by my forum name... I'm mostly mexican) but I don't really see the miracle everybody was talking about.

Yea, I don't recall a promised miracle either. I think whatever non-white place you heard such a claim was a bit unrealistic, and probably swayed by conservatives wanting to set up a Presidential "fall" as soon as possible.


Welcome to the board!

[Doogie]

Well he certainly is making Jimmy Carter look like a saint now...

[TripleSkeet]

I dont know maybe its me, but I dont think I can judge his presidency until his terms over. I mean he walked into the job when the country was in the worst piece of shit condition its been in since the 30s. How could you expect anyone to make things better in 7 months? Its just unrealistic.

Im not even a big Obama guy, I just feel that we should give him his 4 years and see what the state of the country looks like then as opposed to what it looked like when Bush was done.

[Gvac]

I dont know maybe its me, but I dont think I can judge his presidency until his terms over. I mean he walked into the job when the country was in the worst piece of shit condition its been in since the 30s. How could you expect anyone to make things better in 7 months? Its just unrealistic.

Im not even a big Obama guy, I just feel that we should give him his 4 years and see what the state of the country looks like then as opposed to what it looked like when Bush was done.

Stop being logical and trash him!

It's the AMERICAN thing to do!

[Doctor Z]

Obama is the worst president we've had since George W. Bush.

[boobieman]

I still think it is too early. It has only been 6 to 7 months. I think with what he was handed when he became president you have to expect things to still suck.

He was handed an economy that shit the bed. Remember the economy was starting to suck at the end of Bush's run. With it sucking so bad, you can't expect things to bounce back up too quick. Will it get back up, yes. Will it be what it was before, most likely not, and if it does it will end up the way we are now in the future.

He was handed a war with no end in sight. No easy way out. With Iraq & Afghanistan. Maybe something might happen with Iran, but that is wait and see how he handles that, if something comes up.

Yes the race comment with the cops up in New England was stupid. The whole bail out of the big corporation I disagree with. The whole health care issue seams to be a mess. But remember Clinton was trying to do the same thing and failed.

I say we have to give him another year before we say he is the worst. If things are somewhat the same and still suck in a year, then the Illinois Senator is a useless fuck. Which of course someone will call me a racist for saying. Don't give a shit. He is a politician. Bullshit is what he does and good at..all of them.

Oh and I did not vote for Obama...nor McCain..I Nader Raider the vote. Not because I believe in Nader, but I knew with the other two it is same shit 4 more years.

SEEYAYAYAYAYAAAA

[Serpico1103]

I do think it is too early to judge. Really it will take a decade or more to see the effects of his presidency, but certainly now is too soon. And I think the economy is in much worse shape than the media will like to admit. Every financial network and talking head was a vested interest in people thinking the stock market will bounce back. Otherwise, people put their money in long term investments and stop watching financial news everyday. Cynical.

I think he is trying to solve our problems. I didn't think GWB was trying to solve our problems.

[TheMojoPin]

If things are somewhat the same and still suck in a year, then the Illinois Senator is a useless fuck. Which of course someone will call me a racist for saying.

Why would anyone do that?

[boobieman]

Why would anyone do that?

MMM....not agreeing with a black president..think he is doing a bad job..."you don't think he is any good because he is black"

Hell, I got that for saying OJ was Guilty.

SEEYEYAYAYAYAYAA

[TheMojoPin]

MMM....not agreeing with a black president..think he is doing a bad job..."you don't think he is any good because he is black"

Hell, I got that for saying OJ was Guilty.

SEEYEYAYAYAYAYAA

I hate to break it to you but people disagree with Obama all the time.

[Gvac]

I hate to break it to you but people disagree with Obama all the time.

And the ultra-liberal left wing media immediately labels them racists.

Just admit it already, Mojo.

Or should I call you Pinko?

[TheMojoPin]

You're so silly.

[TjM]

MMM....not agreeing with a black president..think he is doing a bad job..."you don't think he is any good because he is black"

Hell, I got that for saying OJ was Guilty.

SEEYEYAYAYAYAYAA

RIIIIIIIGHT

[west milly Tom]

Anyone know if the stimulus package kept unemployment under 8.5%?

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone know if the stimulus package kept unemployment under 8.5%?

It is currently at -24.7%.

[boobieman]

RIIIIIIIGHT

With people I work with...hell yea...

SEEEAYAYYA

[Serpico1103]

With people I work with...hell yea...

SEEEAYAYYA

Is it possible, they said "Because you are a racist." Meaning, other things you have done or said have made them believe you are a racist, and they are dismissing your OJ opinion because they already believe you are a racist?

[west milly Tom]

Obama's approval rating is less than Nixon's was after a full year and he's under 50% on unemployment, the deficit, spending, and Iran.

Things are going great.

[Serpico1103]

Obama's approval rating is less than Nixon's was after a full year and he's under 50% on unemployment, the deficit, spending, and Iran.

Things are going great.

At least he is keeping the Communists in check.

[TheMojoPin]

Obama's approval rating is less than Nixon's was after a full year

Which means...what?

I think you're a little confused here.

[west milly Tom]

Which means...what?

I think you're a little confused here.

It's a reference to the summer of 69 when Nixon held a 68% approval rating until the augest break when things started to go very bad for him.

[foodcourtdruide]

Obama's approval rating is less than Nixon's was after a full year and he's under 50% on unemployment, the deficit, spending, and Iran.

Things are going great.

Meaning what? He's as popular as Nixon was at the time he was elected? Ok?

When his popularity is high, we all think he's the messiah. When its pretty good he's Nixon? Is there some excel spreadsheet you guys have with %'s in one column and names of iconic figures in history to compare Obama to in the next? When his numbers are mediocare who will you compare him with? Michael Bolton in the early 90's?

[TheMojoPin]

It's a reference to the summer of 69 when Nixon held a 68% approval rating until the augest break when things started to go very bad for him.

Again, I'm not sure how comapring his approval ratings to pre-Watergate Nixon is supposed to be a bad thing:

http://homepage.mac.com/drewthaler/images/blog-nixon-approval-1.gif

Post-Johnson our presidents have tended to end up in the 40-60 range.

http://online.wsj.com/media/info-presapp0605-all.gif

[underdog]

http://online.wsj.com/media/info-presapp0605-all.gif

Wow, people loved Truman and then really fucking hated him. He was the original W.

[west milly Tom]

Again, I'm not sure how comapring his approval ratings to pre-Watergate Nixon is supposed to be a bad thing:

http://homepage.mac.com/drewthaler/images/blog-nixon-approval-1.gif

Post-Johnson our presidents have tended to end up in the 40-60 range.

http://online.wsj.com/media/info-presapp0605-all.gif



Its not a bad thing. I was trying to illustrate with that Nixon number that he is approaching the moment that will make or break his presidency. It was this same time that Nixon really made his mark. I submit that its not looking good for him though with many of the majors below 50%.

[TheMojoPin]

I was trying to illustrate with that Nixon number that he is approaching the moment that will make or break his presidency. It was this same time that Nixon really made his mark.

Wha-?

[HBox]

Its not a bad thing. I was trying to illustrate with that Nixon number that he is approaching the moment that will make or break his presidency. It was this same time that Nixon really made his mark. I submit that its not looking good for him though with many of the majors below 50%.

Where do you come up with these things you say? Obama has had an approval rating below 50 once from one major pollster who while having a solid record has consistently had Obama's approval far below every other major pollster. And this one approval rating below 50 was a 49.

More here. (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php)

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[boobieman]

Is it possible, they said "Because you are a racist." Meaning, other things you have done or said have made them believe you are a racist, and they are dismissing your OJ opinion because they already believe you are a racist?

No. I never did anything to anyone because of their race. I worked with these 2 people for many years. We had a good work relationship. But for that one particle incident or say discussion I was told that I thought OJ was guilty because he was black. I was being racists. I told them they were wrong. I never had a bad incident with either of them and never any more came of it. Just saying that their are people out their who will say you don't like or don't think he is doing a good job because he is black. I just don't know if enough time has passed to really judge.


SEEYYAYAYAYAAAA

[Serpico1103]

No. I never did anything to anyone because of their race. I worked with these 2 people for many years. We had a good work relationship. But for that one particle incident or say discussion I was told that I thought OJ was guilty because he was black. I was being racists. I told them they were wrong. I never had a bad incident with either of them and never any more came of it. Just saying that their are people out their who will say you don't like or don't think he is doing a good job because he is black. I just don't know if enough time has passed to really judge.


SEEYYAYAYAYAAAA

Of course there are people that will say that. There are people that say a supreme being walked among us 2000 years ago but was too lazy to write anything down. People are crazy.

[boobieman]

i guess my post took the thread off subject. sorry. just think that it is too early to think Obama is horrible or not doing the right thing. The shit storm he was handed you can't expect things to be fixed in such a short period of time.

I just hope he does the right thing...fix this country, protect us, live the american dream, and keep GIVac way from one panel cartoons.

SssEeeSssYyyyAaaa

[TheMojoPin]

GIVac

Make it "GIVEac" and I think we've got a new board character: the kind, charitable, compassionate Gvac.

[keithy_19]

Make it "GIVEac" and I think we've got a new board character: the kind, charitable, compassionate Gvac.

Dibs. It'll keep me occupied while I don't sleep.

[PapaBear]

Dibs. It'll keep me occupied while I don't sleep.
You take my advice to write novels, and turn it into a plan to be a board character?:banning:

[keithy_19]

You take my advice to write novels, and turn it into a plan to be a board character?:banning:

I actually took it from Sr71's idea of the roseary.

[furie]

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/229691/july-28-2009/womb-raiders---orly-taitz

[Gvac]

Did you hear the latest shit Obama pulled?

Unbelievable.

[Doogie]

Did you hear the latest shit Obama pulled?

Unbelievable.

Ha ha ha...I laugh. I laugh at all the fucktards that worshipped this man and suckled from his cock during the campaign. I laugh. This guy makes Carter's administration look like a brilliant work from Mozart. I laugh at anyone still worshipping this baffoon and who realize they elected a Chicago Mid-Level politician full of weakness and ineptitude.

[TheMojoPin]

Baffoon.

[epo]

Ha ha ha...I laugh. I laugh at all the fucktards that worshipped this man and suckled from his cock during the campaign. I laugh. This guy makes Carter's administration look like a brilliant work from Mozart. I laugh at anyone still worshipping this baffoon and who realize they elected a Chicago Mid-Level politician full of weakness and ineptitude.

Huh?

[Gvac]

Baffoon.

Yes he is, Mojo.

Yes he is.

Good to see you've come around.

And very funny of you to misspell "buffoon."

Nice touch!

[Dude!]

Yes he is, Mojo.

Yes he is.

Good to see you've come around.

And very funny of you to misspell "buffoon."

Nice touch!

maybe he was referring to
Baffin Island

[TheMojoPin]

Yes he is, Mojo.

Yes he is.

Good to see you've come around.

And very funny of you to misspell "buffoon."

Nice touch!

Just repeating Doogie.

I was amused by the idea that he hates Obama so much he starts insulting him in French.