Obama - Worst President Ever?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hypocrite thy name is Barack


http://freebeacon.com/obama-family-tax-shelter/

[A.J.]

Hypocrite thy name is Barack


http://freebeacon.com/obama-family-tax-shelter/

The president and his wife separately gave each daughter a $12,000 gift under a section of the federal tax code that exempts such donations from federal taxes.

http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/chewiewookie200/Supporting%20Character/PDVD_046.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This hooker ended some careers!!!! God damn Colombian women are some of the finest looking on the planet



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/secret-service-scandal-hooker-dania-suarez-hiding-photos-exposed-lawyer-article-1.1064905

[boobieman]

I saw the pics of this chick...yea I would let the president get shot for a hour of pounding that...great body.

SEYYAYAAAA

[hanso]

Check them out on cam sites.



Dangerous Curves..

[cougarjake13]

Facially she isn't that pretty

[hanso]

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[Bob Impact]

Facially she isn't that pretty

This. Also, she's certainly has a good body and he's a very attractive woman but not nearly as hot as people are making her out to be.

[boobieman]

If she keeps shaking her head that way..maybe it will fall off and when that hollow shell hits the floor it will make a nice Clang sound.

And can someone tell her to shave that god damn mustache...you do all this stuff to your hair and face..shave already...

Ok that is my political view of the day...

SEEYAYYAA

[A.J.]

How do you say "butterface" in Spanish?

[Furtherman]

http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo235/chewiewookie200/Supporting%20Character/PDVD_046.jpg

:clap:

[hanso]

Boardwalk Empire ^ ?

[high fly]

I thought it was a still from "Newsies."

[cougarjake13]

It's from shawshank redemption

[IamFogHat]

I thought it was a still from "Newsies."

Mod quote. Gayest thing ever said here, and I'd know. Wait for me, Sante Fe, haw haw haw, poopy dicks in my mouth and butt.

[keithy_19]

Mod quote. Gayest thing ever said here, and I'd know. Wait for me, Sante Fe, haw haw haw, poopy dicks in my mouth and butt.

Ask and you shall receive.

[hanso]

oic looks like the dude in Boardwalk..plays a good cop role.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama clinched the nomination


http://news.yahoo.com/ho-hum-obama-brink-democratic-nomination-115852750.html

[A.J.]

I wish someone would have challenged him: like Ted Kennedy did to Jimmy Carter in 1980.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jon Lovitz calls Obama a____


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/jon-lovitz-saturday-night-live-alum-rips-president-obama-a-f-ing-a-hole-article-1.1066578

[TripleSkeet]

Jon Lovitz calls Obama a____


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/jon-lovitz-saturday-night-live-alum-rips-president-obama-a-f-ing-a-hole-article-1.1066578

First hes cryberbullying teenagers now this. Boy hes REALLY trying to be relevant again. He shouldve added "...Yea a fucking asshole...THATS the ticket."

[keithy_19]

How do you say "butterface" in Spanish?

Chonga?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Maybe he was born with a Golden Retriever in his mouth

[spoon]

here we go

the joke sucked the first 53 times asshat

[Furtherman]

No, because a child fed dog food in a poor country is exactly hilarious as a wealthy man putting a dog on the roof of a car. The jokes write themselves!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know I've been Ruff with my criticism of Obama but do you have to pick a bone with me on jokes too?

[StanUpshaw]

Terrierable.

[Crispy123]

I know I've been Ruff with my criticism of Obama but do you have to pick a bone with me on jokes too?

Terrierable.

This can't be improv. You two rehearsed this, right? :clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I have a lot more jokes that I can unleash

[underdog]

I have a lot more jokes that I can unleash

It's so out of character for you to be hacky and unfunny.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's so out of character for you to be hacky and unfunny.

Just hope Obama isnt reading your posts U'Dog he might get hungry.

[A.J.]

"DOG FOOD????"

http://www.carlspackler.com/archive/cs_134.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This president never ceases to amaze


The president said, “you can try to make it really tough on people who look like they, quote, unquote look like illegal immigrants. One of the things that the law says is that local officials are allow to ask somebody who they have a suspicion might be an illegal immigrant for their papers — but you can imagine if you are a Hispanic American in Arizona, your great, great grandparents may have been there before Arizona was even a state. But now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you’re going to be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.”

Harassed by who?

Yup lets start a new bumper sticker war. The war on Mexicans going to Dairy Queen

[Syd]

Harassed by cops who can be prosecuted by white geriatrics in scooters for not asking for papers for anyone who fails a paper bag test

[spoon]

This president never ceases to amaze


The president said, “you can try to make it really tough on people who look like they, quote, unquote look like illegal immigrants. One of the things that the law says is that local officials are allow to ask somebody who they have a suspicion might be an illegal immigrant for their papers — but you can imagine if you are a Hispanic American in Arizona, your great, great grandparents may have been there before Arizona was even a state. But now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you’re going to be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.”

Harassed by who?

Yup lets start a new bumper sticker war. The war on Mexicans going to Dairy Queen

:wacko:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If this is upheld and Obamacare is struck down, It will be huge losses for the administration.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/sb-1070-supreme-court-arizona-immigration-law_n_1451622.html

[spoon]

If this is upheld and Obamacare is struck down, It will be huge losses for the administration.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/sb-1070-supreme-court-arizona-immigration-law_n_1451622.html

explain how

[WRESTLINGFAN]

explain how

Obama sent his Atty general to sue Arizona. He see's illegal aliens as future voters. Also it will encourage other states to pass laws like AZ.

[spoon]

not going to hurt, and wouldn't be effective in helping or hurting him in THIS election at this point regardless...timing either way will have NO true impact here

so no

[WRESTLINGFAN]

not going to hurt

he's going to win regardless of this and you know it

Im not sure on that.

In no way am I saying that Romney is a lock but Its not looking too good for O

[ozzie]

Im not sure on that.

In no way am I saying that Romney is a lock but Its not looking too good for O

Romney is a lock in this red (neck) state, so you got that going for ya.

It's a waste of time and money for either of them to spend a dime campaigning here.

Enjoy those 9 electoral votes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama is a lock for this bluest of blue states. Romney would be an idiot if he spends a dime campaigning here in the general.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is my disdain for the EPA and other useless bastions of big bloated government.



http://news.yahoo.com/inhofe-investigate-epa-official-crucify-them-approach-oil-191611633.html

Armendariz is one of many who believes this way, however he was the schlub who was caught on tape.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

explain how

Justice Sonia Sotomayor told Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, "You can see it's not selling very well,


Imagine the wise latina and an an Obama nominee for SCOTUS upholds the law. how bad that would look for him

[hanso]

Harassed by cops who can be prosecuted by white geriatrics in scooters for not asking for papers for anyone who fails a paper bag test

Or when buying just about anything.

[hanso]

Obama sent his Atty general to sue Arizona. He see's illegal aliens as future voters. Also it will encourage other states to pass laws like AZ.

They already have, as much as you riff on this you don't seem to be up on it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They already have, as much as you riff on this you don't seem to be up on it.

Yes, Alabama, Utah and S. Carolina but more will probably pass laws.


Hell, let all the illegals swarm CA. They can secede and become their own country

[hanso]

And cops can ask for papers at any time and when they have to buy junk they have to show them.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Biden says Obama has a big stick.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/26/biden_obama_has_a_big_stick.html

I can say something about that but I don't wanna get Spoon mad

[spoon]

Biden says Obama has a big stick.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/26/biden_obama_has_a_big_stick.html

I can say something about that but I don't wanna get Spoon mad

no no, make 42 posts in the fast/furious thread about his dick and eating dog

[hanso]

Dunno why illegal's can come here and get them at gun shows. Join the NRA blow your friends away.

[A.J.]

Biden says Obama has a big stick.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/26/biden_obama_has_a_big_stick.html

I can say something about that but I don't wanna get Spoon mad

I guess that first tag is true after all.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dunno why illegal's can come here and get them at gun shows. Join the NRA blow your friends away.

They dont have to get them at gun shows. The Obama admin is giving them weapons via the ATF

[hanso]

They dont have to get them at gun shows. The Obama admin is giving them weapons via the ATF

Wasn't that a one off that you kept harping on? My point is they can come here to any gun show at anytime and get guns.

[hanso]

Yes, Alabama, Utah and S. Carolina but more will probably pass laws.


Hell, let all the illegals swarm CA. They can secede and become their own country

It's Not Just Arizona: 164 Anti-Immigration Laws Have Passed Since 2010

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/anti-immigration-law-database

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's Not Just Arizona: 164 Anti- Illegal Immigration Laws Have Passed Since 2010

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/anti-immigration-law-database

Shoulda known since it was Mother jones

[hanso]

Shoulda known since it was Mother jones

It has the same stats you have used (pew) and even more in depth Gov one.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It has the same stats you have used (pew) and even more indept Gov one.

I was criticizing MJ for saying Anti Immigrant instead of Anti Illegal Immigrant

[hanso]

I was criticizing MJ for saying Anti Immigrant instead of Anti Illegal Immigrant

But it's in the title I copied from main page. This other one breaks it down more.(down on page org. story)

Not Gov its National Conference of State Legislatures
wikipedia claims its a bipartisan non-governmental organization, and has an Immigration Database you can knock your self out.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah4RHiHSiTN_dFFNQlF1eXJ4OEJCRVhNWGFVWEp0M kE

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/immig/immigration-laws-database.aspx

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But it's in the title I copied from main page. This other one breaks it down more.(down on page org. story)

Not Gov its National Conference of State Legislatures
wikipedia claims its a bipartisan non-governmental organization, and has an Immigration Database you can knock your self out.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah4RHiHSiTN_dFFNQlF1eXJ4OEJCRVhNWGFVWEp0M kE

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/immig/immigration-laws-database.aspx

Im aware of all the later laws passed or in the process of consideration. My issue was the sematics of immigration vs illegal immigration.

There are also many states that have passed in state tuition for illegal aliens. It was passed last year here in CT

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Saw some clips of the WH Correspondents dinner. I did like the line about Olbermanns resume being under everyones chair.

[Bob Impact]

Im aware of all the later laws passed or in the process of consideration. My issue was the sematics of immigration vs illegal immigration.

There are also many states that have passed in state tuition for illegal aliens. It was passed last year here in CT

OH MY GOD IT'S A TRAVESTY: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/illegal-immigrant-instate_n_892435.html

Connecticut is now among 12 states, including New York and Illinois, that grant in-state tuition to illegal immigrants who are working toward legal status.

...

Fewer than 50 illegal immigrants are expected to take advantage of the new law immediately, with the University of Connecticut expecting less than 10 for its next term. But advocates say that number could rise to 250 across Connecticut within the year as enrollment increases at community colleges in particular.

[hanso]

Im aware of all the later laws passed or in the process of consideration. My issue was the sematics of immigration vs illegal immigration.

There are also many states that have passed in state tuition for illegal aliens. It was passed last year here in CT

I would say the title '164 Anti- Illegal Immigration Laws Have Passed Since 2010' is right. The chart on the 1st url breaks it all down.


The right has been passing blanket laws where they have state power all along.

WF what are your views on the cost to taxpayers to detain all these added to the system along with building new detention centers in these states? Also the connection of privatizing prisons to the legislature of states?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

OH MY GOD IT'S A TRAVESTY: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/illegal-immigrant-instate_n_892435.html

It is a travesty when those funds arent used for road repair, or hiring 1st responders.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I would say the title '164 Anti- Illegal Immigration Laws Have Passed Since 2010' is right. The chart on the 1st url breaks it all down.


The right has been passing blanket laws where they have state power all along.

WF what are your views on the cost to taxpayers to detain all these added to the system along with building new detention centers in these states? Also the connection of privatizing prisons to the legislature of states?

If a state has a huge influx of illegals there are going to be costs associated with having illegal aliens in a state. However the costs to jail them are miniscule compared to educating their anchor babies . Medicaid is about the same amount as jailing them i'll use CA as an example

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm


I take issue with any state being a Sanctuary one however, If they want to provide all these lavish entitlements to them on a state basis, fine. Just dont go crying to the other states for a bailout

There wouldnt be a need for private prisons if some of these drug laws were repealed and some drugs decriminalized.

[hanso]

Yeah the drug thing but the cart is ahead of the horse. Prison for profit, think about it. (nation-of-incarceration)

"Nationwide, the numbers are staggering: Nearly 2.4 million people behind bars, even though over the last 20 years the crime rate has actually dropped by more than 40 percent.

"The United States has about 5 percent of the world's population, but we have 25 percent of the world's prisoners - we incarcerate a greater percentage of our population than any country on Earth," said Michael Jacobson, director of the non-partisan Vera Institute of Justice. He also ran New York City's jail and probation systems in the 1990s.

A report by the organization, "The Price of Prisons," states that the cost of incarcerating one inmate in Fiscal 2010 was $31,307 per year. "In states like Connecticut, Washington state, New York, it's anywhere from $50,000 to $60,000," he said.

Yes - $60,000 a year. That's a teacher's salary, or a firefighter's. Our epidemic of incarceration costs us taxpayers $63.4 billion a year."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57418495/the-cost-of-a-nation-of-incarceration/

Do you think for a moment if the right gets their way with privatizing prisons this will somehow turn around?

Also it's a safe bet that the states with Anti-Immigration Laws are setting up large detention centers and are pushing for privatizing them as well as prisions.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In many cases local / state jails ask for compensation from the fed govt because they take a long time to come and get the illegals after a detainer is put on them. Only the feds can deport someone, States can hold them but they have to turn them over. Now if the process can get streamlined that would save taxpayers money.

Illegal aliens even though they are not citizens or greencard holders do have some basic rights, one of them is a trial. If an illegal alien is convicted of grand larceny or rape, he should serve his time and then get deported. If hes arrested on a DUI then there should be an expedited process for removal.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This whole secret service fiasco really doesnt bother me too much. Its just horny guys wanting to get some ass. Anyone who thinks that this started with the Obama admin is naive


My issue with the secret service is that there are too many agents and another example of a bloated federal government. I know the president needs security detail but having 3500 agents is not needed. Also post 9/11 it has become another umbrella organization under the already huge DHS, Prior to that the SS was under the treasury dept.

[Crispy123]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/butthurt-dweller-all-my-opinions-are-facts.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Overstated by 300. There are 3200 agents. Dang dem facts



http://www.secretservice.gov/faq.shtml#faq8


Now thats more than an infantry regiment.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Everyone has their own cross to bear. Even him


http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/04/30/epa-official-who-sought-to-crucify-oil-companies-has-resigned/

[hanso]

"Barack Obama's stealth war on guns continues apace: The White House is currently working to ease restrictions on exports of guns and other American-made weaponry, a move that could be a boon for domestic gunmakers".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-plan-would-ease-weapons-export-rules/2012/05/02/gIQAfTJhxT_story.html

NRA needs to ramp up the anti gun rant.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Will never work. The ATF has that market cornered in selling guns abroad.



Refer to Fast and Furious

[Dell]

Will never work. The ATF has that market cornered in selling guns abroad.



Refer to Fast and Furious

when not citing the Fast and Furious, I lean heavily on Wikipedia...can't argue those facts, baby!

[zildjian361]

gas has already gone up in 45cents in the last month. it' a start.

I paid $3.59 today could be worse,:smoke::drunk:

[hanso]

I paid $3.59 today could be worse,:smoke::drunk:

If that Iran stuff will blow over it will go down even more.

[A.J.]

I paid $3.59 today could be worse,:smoke::drunk:

$3.82 for me.

[hanso]

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Hold the phone..Obama's slogan is "Thank you Satan" when played backwards ... better run.

[booster11373]

I thought WF was supposed to get every other post in political threads?

[hanso]

I thought WF was supposed to get every other post in political threads?

Mine was a throw away post so I didn't take his slot.

When I don't see him double / triple post on these two threads I wonder what happened to him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How many times did he mention wall st fat cats only to go whore himself out to his corporate handlers in the financial district


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-57434282/wall-street-execs-back-obama-with-more-than-$2m/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama wants to get to the bottom of the JPM, 2 Billion dollar loss but did he say anything about MF Global? Hush hush, cant say anything about one of his top bundlers Jon Corzine

That ad yesterday about Bain closing down a steel mill. Well Romney left Bain in 1999 that happened in 2001

Turns out that 35K a plate dinner was done at a private equity firm called the Blackstone group.


But Obama connects with ordinary people

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

Puppets manipulated by the puppetmasters

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He reminds me of these evangelical preachers who rail against the gays, then get caught giving one a BJ

[spoon]

He reminds me of these evangelical preachers who rail against the gays, then get caught giving one a BJ

Oh yes, completely the same!

:wallbash:



Of course he still works WITH corporate America, to not do so would be complete political suicide. Stop acting like he's any less involved with other causes, you know, like all the policy and gov programs you hate so much. The hypocrisy on you level is unreal. He doesn't see eye to eye much with GE's CEO either, but they still work together overall and have actually become friends with completely different ideology. I guess you just want complete fractioned parties, like with Lugar's possible replacement in Indiana. It's NOT the answer, it the complete opposite. Party first versus country is what got us here in the first place...on both ends. And your bs is exactly what helps string it along, over and over again.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh yes, completely the same!

:wallbash:



Of course he still works WITH corporate America, to not do so would be complete political suicide. Stop acting like he's any less involved with other causes, you know, like all the policy and gov programs you hate so much. The hypocrisy on you level is unreal. He doesn't see eye to eye much with GE's CEO either, but they still work together overall and have actually become friends with completely different ideology. I guess you just want complete fractioned parties, like with Lugar's possible replacement in Indiana. It's NOT the answer, it the complete opposite. Party first versus country is what got us here in the first place...on both ends. And your bs is exactly what helps string it along, over and over again.


Hypocrisy? Im not the one bitching about wall st fat cats and rich people and then the same day going out to whore myself for campaign cash. Speaking of Immelt why doesnt Obama call him out for being one of the biggest proponents of outsourcing.


Obama ran his mouth about the JPM 2 billion trade loss but theres a much bigger loss at the federal level. 2 billion is lost in the blink of an eye. So whats going to happen, theres going to be calls for more bureaucracy and more regulation. Lets have another 2600 page bill named after a dickbag Senator with legalese so companies can find loopholes around legislation. Im not against regulation but does it have to be so damn complex that it looks like its written in a foreign language? The more these politicians try to reform the bigger the fools they turn out being

What does Dick Lugar have to do with anything? People said 36 years is enough and they voted to go with someone else. Or maybe we should just repeal the 17th amendment and let the state legislatures go back to electing senators

[spoon]

Hypocrisy? Im not the one bitching about wall st fat cats and rich people and then the same day going out to whore myself for campaign cash. (You can't be this naive can you?) Speaking of Immelt why doesnt Obama call him out for being one of the biggest proponents of outsourcing. (He has done so often, it's one huge area of debate bt them. Yet you expect them to agree on it all, or disgree and hate each other never to work on compromise?)


Obama ran his mouth about the JPM 2 billion trade loss but theres a much bigger loss at the federal level. 2 billion is lost in the blink of an eye. So whats going to happen, theres going to be calls for more bureaucracy and more regulation. Lets have another 2600 page bill named after a dickbag Senator with legalese so companies can find loopholes around legislation. Im not against regulation but does it have to be so damn complex that it looks like its written in a foreign language? (You think that's just due to politics and has NOTHING to do with the legality of it all? Again, it's simply naive to think they can put out a one pager to refine complex systems in place and moving forward.) The more these politicians try to reform the bigger the fools they turn out being. (So they should just look away right? (Never try until it's a guy with your opinions and reform ideas at the helm?)

What does Dick Lugar have to do with anything? People said 36 years is enough and they voted to go with someone else. Or maybe we should just repeal the 17th amendment and let the state legislatures go back to electing senators

My comments in red (duh).

On Lugar, you BETTER know what I meant and just playing dumb to make a dicky point. If you don't, you truly don't even read the links you post or follow what you speak on. Lugar and his new republican hopeful, Mourdock had HUGE differences in how to interact and work with the other party. Sure, I'm always one for getting new voices into government positions as a LONG TIME proponent for term limits. Yet it isn't always a good change simply bc it's someone new. Mourdock believes in NEVER working together and is a hard line tea party asshat with some fucked up views if you ask me. If you missed my tie to Lugar versus Mourdock point you are more off than I thought. If not, then you are simply playing this bullshit game even more...not sure which is worse.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My comments in red (duh).

On Lugar, you BETTER know what I meant and just playing dumb to make a dicky point. If you don't, you truly don't even read the links you post or follow what you speak on. Lugar and his new republican hopeful, Mourdock had HUGE differences in how to interact and work with the other party. Sure, I'm always one for getting new voices into government positions as a LONG TIME proponent for term limits. Yet it isn't always a good change simply bc it's someone new. Mourdock believes in NEVER working together and is a hard line tea party asshat with some fucked up views if you ask me. If you missed my tie to Lugar versus Mourdock point you are more off than I thought. If not, then you are simply playing this bullshit game even more...not sure which is worse.

How is it being naive for pointing out the obvious. As far as financial overhaul, does it really take a 2000+ page law with so much legalese? Does everything have to be so damn complicated. Look at our tax laws. 70K pages and growing by the year but yet there are still armies of lawyers and accountants who find loopholes.

I know about Lugar, that he cut deals and Mourdock doesnt want to . However do you really think people on the far left like Boxer want to compromise ? Its either their way of fuck off

The bigger issue is that Dick didnt really live in Indiana he would have some temporary address. How can someone represent a state when hes almost never there. That would be like someone living in Tribeca but he has a small office in Harlem but he wants to represent the people of Harlem. Dick was a carpetbagger

[spoon]

How is it being naive for pointing out the obvious. As far as financial overhaul, does it really take a 2000+ page law with so much legalese? Does everything have to be so damn complicated. Look at our tax laws. 70K pages and growing by the year but yet there are still armies of lawyers and accountants who find loopholes.

I know about Lugar, that he cut deals and Mourdock doesnt want to . However do you really think people on the far left like Boxer want to compromise ? Its either their way of fuck off

The bigger issue is that Dick didnt really live in Indiana he would have some temporary address. How can someone represent a state when hes almost never there. That would be like someone living in Tribeca but he has a small office in Harlem but he wants to represent the people of Harlem. Dick was a carpetbagger

I'm sorry, we were talking about Boxer and her dealings with the other side now were we? It's almost comical how you converse, it's as if I just defended Boxer's positions completely and her lack of compromising in your mind. It's unreal to be honest.

And it wasn't the living arrangement angle on the Lugar dealings that applied to this conversation WF, it was the difference in his ability to compromise and work with the other side, versus Mourdock's refusal and platform NOT TO in any way. It's usually the case too, as the Left is not pretty much the center of the last decade and the right is off the page. Compromise to me has been severely one-sided of late. Just look to the super committee recently for a recent example.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm sorry, we were talking about Boxer and her dealings with the other side now were we? It's almost comical how you converse, it's as if I just defended Boxer's positions completely and her lack of compromising in your mind. It's unreal to be honest.

And it wasn't the living arrangement angle on the Lugar dealings that applied to this conversation WF, it was the difference in his ability to compromise and work with the other side, versus Mourdock's refusal and platform NOT TO in any way. It's usually the case too, as the Left is not pretty much the center of the last decade and the right is off the page. Compromise to me has been severely one-sided of late. Just look to the super committee recently for a recent example.

Im not disagreeing that the electorate saw Lugar as compromising too much, but they also want a change. They voted that 36 years is enough. Now if Mourdock loses to the Democratic opponent then its on them.

Politicians on both sides have this sense of entitlement that the voters have to reelect them over and over. The only way to inflict term limits is to vot them out. Lugar had that mentality

[hanso]

Obama wants to get to the bottom of the JPM, 2 Billion dollar loss but did he say anything about MF Global? Hush hush, cant say anything about one of his top bundlers Jon Corzine

That ad yesterday about Bain closing down a steel mill. Well Romney left Bain in 1999 that happened in 2001

Turns out that 35K a plate dinner was done at a private equity firm called the Blackstone group.


But Obama connects with ordinary people

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

Well we know where the money comes from..ask karl hamloaf rove and the like where the treasure trove comes from with the pac monies.

[spoon]

oof

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rich people ?

[spoon]

no, hanso doing a bad impression of you with that post

awful/y?

[hanso]

no, hanso doing a bad impression of you with that post

awful/y?

I pointed out how the right hides behind super pac funding.


http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5378/thumbnailserver2av.jpg
And I always call him hamloaf, take a look at him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obamas hiding too

[hanso]

Obamas hiding too

After peoples united what choice did he have?

[hanso]

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Knock yourself out WF.. Didn't get far past 'OBL was only good thing'.

[hanso]

Obamas hiding too


Rove's Crossroads GPS have already spent $121 million in the 2012 cycle without naming who funded the ads.

Who ya got on the left?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/05/13/Under-the-US-Supreme-Court-2012-election-drowning-in-secret-money/UPI-91501336894200/#ixzz1uyJCNkK9

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While Romneys getting more money, Obama isnt going to be hurting in the superpac business, more will flow in

Priorities USA is his biggest superpac



http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/223587-obama-super-pac-green-group-join-forces-for-1-million-hit-on-romney


Besides having the most money doesnt always guarantee a win. Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina pumped their own money into their campaigns I think Whitman put in over 100 million of her own and still took a beating

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama admin harsh treatment of whistleblowers.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/11/obama-administration-whistleblowers-paul-harris

[spoon]

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Knock yourself out WF.. Didn't get far past 'OBL was only good thing'.

Oh my GOD I hate you for putting that nonsense up. COMPLETE and UTTER GARBAGE.

They pretty much never said anything of substance on any topic.

[spoon]

Obama admin harsh treatment of whistleblowers.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/11/obama-administration-whistleblowers-paul-harris

wikileaks/Manning aside, this has long concerned me as Obama has surely just picked up where W left off on this one

quite concerning to say the least

[high fly]

Obama admin harsh treatment of whistleblowers.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/11/obama-administration-whistleblowers-paul-harris


I don't get why Ali Soufan is mentioned, other than just saying he wrote a book about al Qaeda. It seems to be a major boner to speak of Soufan in the same breath as "harsh treatment", with allusions to the Bush administration policy of officially sanctioned torture and abuse of prisoners, as if there is some equivalence.

I am quite familiar with Mr. Soufan.
He was a brilliant FBI interrogator who got incredible amounts of intelligence using traditional, humane interrogation approaches from the likes of Abu Zubaida and Fahd al-Quso, AQAP operations chief who was just killed by an American drone.
Soufan interrogated al Quso after the USS Cole was bombed and got intelligence connecting the plot to al Qaeda.
Soufan's September 12, 2001 interrogation of al-Quso solidly established al Qaeda's responsibility for the attacks.
Soufan's interrogation of Zubaida, Abu Jandal and others shows how extremely effective humane interrogation approaches are.

There are no such heroes among the pro-torture and abuse crowd.
To bring up Soufan is to invite comparisons between torture and abuse and humane interrogation methods; the first established by Bush Jr. and the second abolished by Obama. it is a losing argument for the pro-torture and abuse crowd.
Not only does the phrase "harsh treatment" point in that direction, but so does the career of Mr. Soufan, which I have extensive notes on, as well as many other interrogators in the FBI, military, CIA and MI5.

[A.J.]

I've meet Ali Soufan. He parlayed that interrogation into a nice chunk of change for himself.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Thou shall not use thy Baracks name in vain


http://www.examiner.com/article/teacher-suspended-after-telling-student-he-can-be-arrested-for-criticizing-obama?v=2

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Booker veers off the reservation and has to back track a little. Im sure the crew from Chicago gave him a nice talking to.



http://news.yahoo.com/cory-booker-fit-tied-gops-stand-cory-booker-103428028--abc-news-politics.html

[A.J.]

Thou shall not use thy Baracks name in vain


http://www.examiner.com/article/teacher-suspended-after-telling-student-he-can-be-arrested-for-criticizing-obama?v=2

"Do you realize that people were arrested for saying things bad about Bush?" the teacher said toward the end of the exchange, telling the student, "you are not supposed to slander the president."

No wonder children turn out stupid.

[spoon]

Thou shall not use thy Baracks name in vain


http://www.examiner.com/article/teacher-suspended-after-telling-student-he-can-be-arrested-for-criticizing-obama?v=2

you don't listen to the shows on xm do you?

how did you find this board I must ask?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you don't listen to the shows on xm do you?

how did you find this board I must ask?

I listen to the replays when I can


Found it from the WNEW Days

[high fly]

I've meet Ali Soufan. He parlayed that interrogation into a nice chunk of change for himself.


I am jealous.
Since the whole abuse and torture of prisoners issue came up, I have collected quite a bit of information on the general topic of interrogation. Among my voluminous notes are accounts of interrogations he conducted or participated in, such as those listed, above.
Soufan was extraordinarily talented and served our country with distinction.
The most successful interrogators I have found all employed approaches similar to those Soufan employed. Not a single one of over 60 career professional interrogators in the military, CIA and FBI I have found who commented on abuse and torture of prisoners endorsed such tactics. They were unanimously opposed because they know how well humane traditional approaches work and are proud of their profession, not wishing to be turned into a bunch of black-hooded Torquemadas.

I look forward to purchasing a copy of Soufan's book.
I know he worked for Rudy Giulliani at some security firm after Soufan left the FBI, but am unaware if he is still with that outfit.
The New Yorker published a nice article about him:

http://www.lawrencewright.com/WrightSoufan.pdf

[high fly]

Obama admin harsh treatment of whistleblowers.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/11/obama-administration-whistleblowers-paul-harris


Yesterday's paper:
Dover mortuary officials punished for retaliating against whistleblowers (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/dover-mortuary-officials-punished-for-retaliating-against-whistleblowers/2012/05/21/gIQALDeWgU_story.html)

[keithy_19]

I am jealous.
Since the whole abuse and torture of prisoners issue came up, I have collected quite a bit of information on the general topic of interrogation.[/url]

You're kinky.

[hanso]

Oh my GOD I hate you for putting that nonsense up. COMPLETE and UTTER GARBAGE.

They pretty much never said anything of substance on any topic.

Yes, but I have heard these same talking points on here many times over.

[hanso]

While Romneys getting more money, Obama isnt going to be hurting in the superpac business, more will flow in

Priorities USA is his biggest superpac



http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/223587-obama-super-pac-green-group-join-forces-for-1-million-hit-on-romney


Besides having the most money doesnt always guarantee a win. Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina pumped their own money into their campaigns I think Whitman put in over 100 million of her own and still took a beating

See ya got nuttin. Not a name, not a pac title, nuttin.

[Silent Beard]

Denying that Obama has an army of superpacs at his arsenal, is as dumb as knocking him for using them.

It's politics. This is how campaigns are won. Drop the moral indignation.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

See ya got nuttin. Not a name, not a pac title, nuttin.

Priorities USA and they are in full swing



http://www.wilshireandwashington.com/2012/04/chelsea-handler-gives-100000-to-obama-superpac.html?cmpid=RSS|Blogs|WilshireAndWashingto n

[hanso]

Never heard of it till now, and have yet to see one tv ad in this swing state but have seen many from the right.

Also I doubt that is the same dark money type super pac, after all the article shows who gave money.

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[A.J.]

Obama admin harsh treatment of whistleblowers.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/11/obama-administration-whistleblowers-paul-harris

wikileaks/Manning aside, this has long concerned me as Obama has surely just picked up where W left off on this one

quite concerning to say the least

WORSE than Bush some would say:

Drone wars and state secrecy, how Obama became hardliner (http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/news/newsviews/196482-drone-wars-and-state-secrecy-how-obama-became-hardliner.html)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I hope I get invited



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I wanna be at dinner with that guy


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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[A.J.]

Raising millions of dollars at another millionaire celebrity's home. I'm sure horseface is doing all the cooking too.

He really cares about the working class.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im really sure Parker and Wintour will want some factory worker from Scranton to be in the same presence as them.


Parker says that guy ended the Iraq war. WRONG!! That agreement to withdraw troops was drafted during the Bush admin

That guy supports marrying whoever you want. Well Broderick did marry an equestrian

Created 4 million jobs? Theres a NET job loss.

[Crispy123]

Im really sure Parker and Wintour will want some factory worker from Scranton to be in the same presence as them.


Parker says that guy ended the Iraq war. WRONG!! That agreement to withdraw troops was drafted during the Bush admin

That guy supports marrying whoever you want. Well Broderick did marry an equestrian

Created 4 million jobs? Theres a NET job loss.

you couldnt be more wrong. but hey thats what they tell you in the "no spin" zone right??

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you couldnt be more wrong. but hey thats what they tell you in the "no spin" zone right??

FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS
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[Crispy123]

exactly.

[A.J.]

you couldnt be more wrong. but hey thats what they tell you in the "no spin" zone right??

He was wrong for saying "equestrian" when he should have said "equine".

[spoon]

Im really sure Parker and Wintour will want some factory worker from Scranton to be in the same presence as them.


Parker says that guy ended the Iraq war. WRONG!! That agreement to withdraw troops was drafted during the Bush admin

That guy supports marrying whoever you want. Well Broderick did marry an equestrian

Created 4 million jobs? Theres a NET job loss.

So, you think W's agreement wasn't tripe and Obama's timeline in the end wouldn't have been quicker than McCain and the pubs? Bottom line is it still happened, and under Obama. It's easy to set up "withdraws" for future presidents, and have it all changed in two seconds, as was the plan probably. Obama pulled it through, you know, the actual withdrawing of troops, not just saying it like W did with victory YEARS before.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, you think W's agreement wasn't tripe and Obama's timeline in the end wouldn't have been quicker than McCain and the pubs? Bottom line is it still happened, and under Obama. It's easy to set up "withdraws" for future presidents, and have it all changed in two seconds, as was the plan probably. Obama pulled it through, you know, the actual withdrawing of troops, not just saying it like W did with victory YEARS before.

The Iraqis handed us an eviction notice, It wasnt like Obama brought he war to an end with a decisive victory.

[StanUpshaw]

So, you think W's agreement wasn't tripe and Obama's timeline in the end wouldn't have been quicker than McCain and the pubs? Bottom line is it still happened, and under Obama. It's easy to set up "withdraws" for future presidents, and have it all changed in two seconds, as was the plan probably. Obama pulled it through, you know, the actual withdrawing of troops, not just saying it like W did with victory YEARS before.

Honestly now. (http://www.nationaljournal.com/u-s-troop-withdrawal-motivated-by-iraqi-insistence-not-u-s-choice-20111021?print=true)

[spoon]

yes, that much is known

yet the US isn't exactly known for following foreign orders and surely could have pushed back but didn't under one admin versus what I truly believe would have happened under another

[hanso]

The Iraqis handed us an eviction notice, It wasnt like Obama brought he war to an end with a decisive victory.

There was never a point where they wanted us there look at the polls done by the CSM.

[Bob Impact]

I would like to win the dinner, then act really annoyed whenever Obama talked, as if I was only there to see Sarah Jessica Parker. I would constantly pepper my conversation with things like "Right SJP?" and "Sarah knows what I'm talking about."

Then, when dinner was over, I would ride that bitch into the sunset.

[weekapaugjz]

Then, when dinner was over, I would ride that bitch into the sunset.

:laugh:

[Crispy123]

I would like to win the dinner, then act really annoyed whenever Obama talked, as if I was only there to see Sarah Jessica Parker. I would constantly pepper my conversation with things like "Right SJP?" and "Sarah knows what I'm talking about."

Then, when dinner was over, I would ride that bitch into the sunset.

now thats funny! :lol:

[keithy_19]

I would like to win the dinner, then act really annoyed whenever Obama talked, as if I was only there to see Sarah Jessica Parker. I would constantly pepper my conversation with things like "Right SJP?" and "Sarah knows what I'm talking about."

Then, when dinner was over, I would ride that bitch into the sunset.

:lol:

Though I laughed at this, I never really understood why people find SJP to be unattractive. She's not gorgeous, but she's pretty and not nearly as bas as people make her out to be.

That being said...

:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

SJP even with makeup isnt all that attractive. Shes hideous with that androgynous face of hers. I see tons of women that will never be celebrities who are way better looking than her.

Whats with Anna Wintour? Ringo Starr circa 1965 wants his hair back

[keithy_19]

SJP even with makeup isnt all that attractive. Shes hideous with that androgynous face of hers. I see tons of women that will never be celebrities who are way better looking than her.


I agree that there are people who are better looking than her who will never be celrbrities, but I just don't think she's nearly has bad as you make her out to be. She's far from hideous. I don't find her to be all that attractive, but the scorn she gets seems uncalled for.

[spoon]

i love how mean wf gets towards ANYONE ever linked to a dem

it's a cute

[StanUpshaw]

you're a cute

[spoon]

sure am

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i love how mean wf gets towards ANYONE ever linked to a dem

it's a cute

Eva Longoria and Halle Berry are big time Obama supporters. Difference is, they are both very attractive.

[spoon]

Eva Longoria and Halle Berry are big time Obama supporters. Difference is, they are both very attractive.

thanks for proving plenty on that one

[TripleSkeet]

So, you think W's agreement wasn't tripe and Obama's timeline in the end wouldn't have been quicker than McCain and the pubs? Bottom line is it still happened, and under Obama. It's easy to set up "withdraws" for future presidents, and have it all changed in two seconds, as was the plan probably. Obama pulled it through, you know, the actual withdrawing of troops, not just saying it like W did with victory YEARS before.

Why do you bother? Its obvious hes not going to give Obama an ounce of credit for his entire presidency. Not for the killing of Bin Laden, not for the drop in illegal immigration, and not for withdrawing the troops for Iraq. Everything that has happened on Obamas watch, the republicans have an excuse for not giving him credit for it. The fucking guy could walk on water and theyd criticize him for not knowing how to swim.

[spoon]

Why do you bother? Its obvious hes not going to give Obama an ounce of credit for his entire presidency. Not for the killing of Bin Laden, not for the drop in illegal immigration, and not for withdrawing the troops for Iraq. Everything that has happened on Obamas watch, the republicans have an excuse for not giving him credit for it. The fucking guy could walk on water and theyd criticize him for not knowing how to swim.

to that I say

Skittles Stick!

http://nbcprohockeytalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/shane-doan-skittles-stick.jpg

:lol: (meaning, good point)

[keithy_19]

The fucking guy could walk on water and theyd criticize him for not knowing how to swim.

Racist.

[StanUpshaw]

The fucking guy could walk on water and theyd criticize him for not knowing how to swim.

Why'd you have to go and bring race into this??

[spoon]

Why'd you have to go and bring race into this??

keithy ninja'd u!

ha!

[TripleSkeet]

Racist.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I actually totally missed that.

[A.J.]

So, you think W's agreement wasn't tripe and Obama's timeline in the end wouldn't have been quicker than McCain and the pubs? Bottom line is it still happened, and under Obama. It's easy to set up "withdraws" for future presidents, and have it all changed in two seconds, as was the plan probably. Obama pulled it through, you know, the actual withdrawing of troops, not just saying it like W did with victory YEARS before.

Fair enough. So let's focus on these things he HASN'T done yet that he promised to do such as get us out of Afghanistan and shut dowm GTMO.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Throw in extending the patriot act and signing the NDAA


The main reason why illegals arent coming here that much is due to the horrible economy.

The administration has overstated the number of deportations.

[Crispy123]

Why do you bother? Its obvious hes not going to give Obama an ounce of credit for his entire presidency. Not for the killing of Bin Laden, not for the drop in illegal immigration, and not for withdrawing the troops for Iraq. Everything that has happened on Obamas watch, the republicans have an excuse for not giving him credit for it. The fucking guy could walk on water and theyd criticize him for not knowing how to swim.

its the truth.

[sailor]

Why do you bother? Its obvious hes not going to give Obama an ounce of credit for his entire presidency. Not for the killing of Bin Laden, not for the drop in illegal immigration, and not for withdrawing the troops for Iraq. Everything that has happened on Obamas watch, the republicans have an excuse for not giving him credit for it. The fucking guy could walk on water and theyd criticize him for not knowing how to swim.

Racist.

[A.J.]

Why do you bother? Its obvious hes not going to give Obama an ounce of credit for his entire presidency. Not for the killing of Bin Laden, not for the drop in illegal immigration, and not for withdrawing the troops for Iraq. Everything that has happened on Obamas watch, the republicans have an excuse for not giving him credit for it. The fucking guy could walk on water and theyd criticize him for not knowing how to swim.

Because he blames everything bad that happens (or what hasn't happened) on his watch on the guy before him. It's OK to take the credit so long as you take some of the blame too.

And some people think he DOES walk on water.

[hanso]

Because he blames everything bad that happens (or what hasn't happened) on his watch on the guy before him. It's OK to take the credit so long as you take some of the blame too.

And some people think he DOES walk on water.

The worst recession in 80 years.

[spoon]

Because he blames everything bad that happens (or what hasn't happened) on his watch on the guy before him. It's OK to take the credit so long as you take some of the blame too.

And some people think he DOES walk on water.

like everything these days, there is some truth and complete bullshit in it all, from both sides

the days of working together and doing at least what is best for the country in compromise are fucking DEAD

[StanUpshaw]

The worst recession in 80 years.

And we're sliding right back in it!

[TripleSkeet]

Because he blames everything bad that happens (or what hasn't happened) on his watch on the guy before him. It's OK to take the credit so long as you take some of the blame too.

And some people think he DOES walk on water.

Well even the staunches republicans admitted he was walking into the biggest shitstorm a president has had to enter since FDR. Blaming him for the economy is like giving a chef a piece of shit and then complaining he didnt cook it right.

Im not saying hes perfect by any measure. I hate the fact extended the Patriot Act and didnt shut down GITMO. But I also saw how everything he did try to do was fought tooth and nail by republicans even it was right and made sense. (Free healthcare for 9/11 responders?)

Personally I blame the system. I have no faith in it anymore. Its become all about money. Who can spend the most and collect the most. Our government doesnt hold the peoples interests as a priority anymore. They cater to corporations and worry about finding ways to make them even more money. This goes for both sides, the only difference is the republicans also cater to the religious looneys and waste time fighting against gays and women that want to get abortions, so that makes them even worse.

[StanUpshaw]

Personally I blame the system. I have no faith in it anymore. Its become all about money. Who can spend the most and collect the most. Our government doesnt hold the peoples interests as a priority anymore. They cater to corporations and worry about finding ways to make them even more money.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. :laugh::down:

[hanso]

Im really sure Parker and Wintour will want some factory worker from Scranton to be in the same presence as them.


Parker says that guy ended the Iraq war. WRONG!! That agreement to withdraw troops was drafted during the Bush admin

That guy supports marrying whoever you want. Well Broderick did marry an equestrian

Created 4 million jobs? Theres a NET job loss.

More pollution is the solution our major industrial cities too can resemble the maroon of Shanghai the black of Mexico City respectively. Do away with the EPA is the only way.

[A.J.]

like everything these days, there is some truth and complete bullshit in it all, from both sides

the days of working together and doing at least what is best for the country in compromise are fucking DEAD

Yep.

Personally I blame the system. I have no faith in it anymore. Its become all about money. Who can spend the most and collect the most. Our government doesnt hold the peoples interests as a priority anymore. They cater to corporations and worry about finding ways to make them even more money. This goes for both sides, the only difference is the republicans also cater to the religious looneys and waste time fighting against gays and women that want to get abortions, so that makes them even worse.

Yep.

It really is despicable the way the politicians pander to select groups in order to get the job, rather than to do the job. And the fact that reaching across the aisle and compromise has become a sin worse than kicking a puppy means that this shit will go on for the foreseeable future.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

President Obama, in Los Angeles for a fundraiser, offered this observation on his wife's exercise routine, via the pool report:

“Michelle outdoes me in pushups as well,” he said, after saying that she’s taken some criticism on her technique “because she doesn’t go all the way down” – a line that he let hang, naughtily, provoking laughter from the crowd.

[keithy_19]

President Obama, in Los Angeles for a fundraiser, offered this observation on his wife's exercise routine, via the pool report:

“Michelle outdoes me in pushups as well,” he said, after saying that she’s taken some criticism on her technique “because she doesn’t go all the way down” – a line that he let hang, naughtily, provoking laughter from the crowd.

I'm just happy that a 50 year old married guy is getting more than me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama just granted amnesty. Fuck congress, fuck the constitution.


http://news.yahoo.com/u-stop-deporting-young-illegal-immigrants-100217841.html;_ylt=A2KLOzKbRNtPb0EA4orQtDMD

[A.J.]

That's 800,000 new Democrat voters!

[sailor]

Good.

On the article, not aj's response.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bad.



You can't bypass congress in matters like this.

[sailor]

They're targeting people with no records and giving them work visas. Sounds sensible.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In a time of high unemployment, it is not sensible.

He's his-pandering. Plus there are procedures that need to be done. A president just cant do anything without congressional consent

[StanUpshaw]

A president just cant do anything without congressional consent

We can't wait.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We can't wait.

Fuck it, Obama should just start revving up the B-2 Bombers to strike Tehran.

[A.J.]

Fuck it, Obama should just start revving up the B-2 Bombers to strike Tehran.

Let's get the OK from Israel first.

[hanso]

Like if all those weren't already purged off voter lists. (Fuck congress, fuck the constitution.)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bombing Libya (fuck Congress , fuck the constitution)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama last year said that he couldnt bypass congress and give amnesty . He said that in front of a univision audience.

[hanso]

This is the same new policy we spoke on awhile ago nothing has changed. It is a 2 year work permit. Not amnesty so no need to bring the hill in on this so they can yet again filibuster like they did the dream act which passed with good numbers.

[hanso]

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Speaking of amnesty this hero of Allen West is a card carrying commie for granting amnesty to 3 mil lol

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/198325_483860838298165_1627977448_n.jpg

[A.J.]

At least he doesn't spend all his time on a ranch like Adolf Bush did.

President Obama plays 100th round of golf (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57454890-503544/president-obama-plays-100th-round-of-golf-draws-fire-from-critics/)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Thats like saying there are no US troops in Afghanistan


http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/06/david-plouffe-immigration-decision-not-a-political-126382.html

[hanso]

POTUS Vac Days.

First year in office

H.W. Bush 40
W. Bush 69 - (went on to set record for 4 year term)

Clinton 21
Obama 26

Source: Factcheck.org

[Bob Impact]

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Speaking of amnesty this hero of Allen West is a card carrying commie for granting amnesty to 3 mil lol

I can't imagine today's GOP would even consider electing Reagan, yet all they do is wander around calling themselves Reagan republicans.

[Bob Impact]

POTUS Vac Days.

First year in office

H.W. Bush 40
W. Bush 69 - (went on to set record for 4 year term)

Clinton 21
Obama 26

Source: Factcheck.org

I've never understood why people get so bent out of shape about the president taking vacation days. Shit, I never even get to actually take a vacation day where 0 work is getting done anymore, I can't imagine the president turns off his cell phone very much either.

[boobieman]

No matter how bad or good..If the most powerful person in the world can not take some time off, and things still run I think that is pretty sad. Just because the POTUS takes a few days here and there it is not a bad thing. I am sure bloomcunt takes days off in Bermuda and this city still runs...it still runs like shit...like a pickpocket..try to do anything and WHAM "PAY HIM"

Sorry for the POTUS..I was watching Veep..Fuckin show is so funny..Ok back to the bashing.

SEYYAYAYAA

[A.J.]

I've never understood why people get so bent out of shape about the president taking vacation days. Shit, I never even get to actually take a vacation day where 0 work is getting done anymore, I can't imagine the president turns off his cell phone very much either.

Exactly -- especially when most of the time it's done around the same time Congress and the Supreme Court are not in session. And it's not like a President isn't doing pretty much the same daily work anyway.

I don't care who the President is. Being trapped in the White House has got be boring. I don't blame any of them for wanting to get away from there from time to time. I'm just sick of the false outrage that certain Presidents have to deal with compared to others.

[spoon]

I've never understood why people get so bent out of shape about the president taking vacation days. Shit, I never even get to actually take a vacation day where 0 work is getting done anymore, I can't imagine the president turns off his cell phone very much either.

That's a great/sad point, as it's true for me also.

[spoon]

Exactly -- especially when most of the time it's done around the same time Congress and the Supreme Court are not in session. And it's not like a President isn't doing pretty much the same daily work anyway.

I don't care who the President is. Being trapped in the White House has got be boring. I don't blame any of them for wanting to get away from there from time to time. I'm just sick of the false outrage that certain Presidents have to deal with compared to others.

well, the stats W compiled was something else...especially being when he was in office and the image he had/earned

would this be the case in your mind or not?

[A.J.]

So what? He went to his ranch a lot. So did Reagan. And FDR went to Warm Springs, GA. And JFK went to Hyannisport. And Nixon went to California. And Obama goes to Hawaii.

Basically Presidents are under house arrest in the White House. I'd be stir crazy too. I can't believe Bush got so much shit for it - especially in the age we live in with VTCs and cell phones, etc. Would he have been less of a shitty President if he had stayed at the White House more often?

[spoon]

So what? He went to his ranch a lot. So did Reagan. And FDR went to Warm Springs, GA. And JFK went to Hyannisport. And Nixon went to California. And Obama goes to Hawaii.

Basically Presidents are under house arrest in the White House. I'd be stir crazy too. I can't believe Bush got so much shit for it - especially in the age we live in with VTCs and cell phones, etc. Would he have been less of a shitty President if he had stayed at the White House more often?

That isn't the point, it's his total time off as posted here compared to others for every year and total term...I'm not saying it's a sure thing to rip on either, hence the reason I'm asking you for your thoughts being closer to it all. Perception surely lends one to believe he took WAY too many days overall, not like the rest or average Pres.

[A.J.]

Again, so what? We all know Cheney was running the country anyway. :tongue:

[spoon]

Again, so what? We all know Cheney was running the country anyway. :tongue:

and his heart has been on vacation for two decades!

[spoon]

seriously though

let's not act like there isn't a point/area where days away scrubbing brush isn't too much...even if he's just a figure head, he's the face of the nation

[SonOfSmeagol]

Maybe O has just been too doggone busy with other off-the-clock activities to take "time off".

Frequent Fundraiser: Obama Sets Record (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-easily-switches-into-campaign-mode-for-fundraisers/)

Obama has headlined 132 re-election fundraisers for his campaign and the Democratic Party since early last year, according to tracking by ABC News and U.S. Naval Academy political scientist Brendan Doherty.

President George W. Bush attended 86 fundraisers for his re-election campaign, the Republican Party or both groups during his first term. Presidents Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush appeared at a total of 70 and 24, respectively.

And as Obama travels the country – or across the street, as was the case last night – taxpayers foot most of the bill, experts say

...Of the 27 outside-the-beltway “official” events Obama has held -thru April 2012-, 21 were in battleground states.

[A.J.]

and his heart has been on vacation for two decades!

Now it's in a Virginia landfill. (http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-24/politics/politics_cheney-transplant-surgery_1_dick-cheney-history-of-heart-trouble-heart-attacks?_s=PM:POLITICS)

[spoon]

Maybe O has just been too doggone busy with other off-the-clock activities to take "time off".

Frequent Fundraiser: Obama Sets Record (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-easily-switches-into-campaign-mode-for-fundraisers/)

this is yet another effect of the new campaign contribution rules, as he has to do so just to somewhat KEEP UP with Romney, who doesn't have to run the country

bottom line is something has to change, meaning we need a one term...6 year or so term presidents and no more. this running every 4 is such a joke and in the way so much. I get the immediate lame duck effect, but we need to change this running shit WHILE in office, almost any office, as with the new rules and new campaigns being soooo long, expensive and tiresome, it simply needs to go. It'd be so much better is a dem and repub (and other viable parties in the future hopefully) were running for a coming opening and the prez focuses on the matters at hand. I'm sick of this process and the focus of politics are completely out of whack.

[spoon]

Now it's in a Virginia landfill. (http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-24/politics/politics_cheney-transplant-surgery_1_dick-cheney-history-of-heart-trouble-heart-attacks?_s=PM:POLITICS)

they should have buried that thing at sea like Bin Laden

[StanUpshaw]

seriously though

let's not act like there isn't a point/area where days away scrubbing brush isn't too much...even if he's just a figure head, he's the face of the nation

The greatest thing that could have happened to this country is if that shitkicker spent 2922 days on vacation.

[spoon]

good point

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Executive privilege for fast and furious


http://news.yahoo.com/justice-dept-says-president-exerted-executive-privilege-over-140250605.html;_ylt=A2KLOzLN3OFPgmEAL17QtDMD



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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Individual mandate to be struck down, thats the scuttlebutt


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/insider-poll-legal-experts-now-expect-supreme-court-123441478.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama instituting Executive privilege on documents that he has never seen. What a transformational president.

[Furtherman]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/601196_10151009216271051_723324805_n.jpg

[pennington]

Looks like Jimmy Carter has had enough:

http://news.yahoo.com/jimmy-carter-accuses-u-widespread-abuse-human-rights-154057442--abc-news-politics.html

Jimmy Carter, America's 39 th president, denounced the Obama administration for "clearly violating" 10 of the 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, writing in a New York Times op-ed on Monday that the "United States is abandoning its role as the global champion of human rights."

[Syd]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/601196_10151009216271051_723324805_n.jpg

What if it is selling to Mexican gun cartels? Now that people are truly reaching levels of psycho about F&F, where was the outrage for Operation Wide Receiver? Same shit, gun sales to drug cartels. Republican president must mean it's completely ok.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What if it is selling to Mexican gun cartels? Now that people are truly reaching levels of psycho about F&F, where was the outrage for Operation Wide Receiver? Same shit, gun sales to drug cartels. Republican president must mean it's completely ok.

From the Best president thread


Just to Clarify differences btwn Wide Receiver Bush era and F&F Obama admin

WIDE RECEIVER
1400 Weapons
Built case against Mexican cartels to find out who they were
Had Mexican govt involved, worked in conjunction with them
All weapons had RFID trackers and were constantly tracked
Over 1000 arrests made
When Bush admin found out the cartels were removing the RFIDs, The program was shut down in 2007


F&F
Over 2000 weapons
Wanted to push a gun control agenda and target gun shops
Mexican govt never involved in F&F
No tracking devices
No arrests made of Cartel members
F&F shut down after murders of 200 Mexicans and 2 US agents
DOJ Coverup possible and E.P.

[hanso]

And Tucker Carlson's site?

[A.J.]

What a despicable bastard:

Appearing at a fundraiser at Boston's Symphony Hall, Obama drew a barrage of boos when he said, "Boston, I just want to say thank you for Youkilis." (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/20341/obama-touches-nerve-by-teasing-about-youk)

[A.J.]

You know you're sucking as President when Jimmy Carter criticizes you:

Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights (http://news.yahoo.com/jimmy-carter-accuses-u-widespread-abuse-human-rights-154057442--abc-news-politics.html)'

[Jujubees2]

You know you're sucking as President when Jimmy Carter criticizes you:

Carter/Mondale - 2016!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/250942_10150877870140773_1415053546_n.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sharpton came out and pulled the race card about investigating Holder.


he was silent when a bunch of old whites went after Alberto Gonzales.

[keithy_19]

What a despicable bastard:

:lol::lol::lol:

[Syd]

From the Best president thread

It's too soon to attribute who did what -- the whole operation has been confused by the squawkboxes that called out Holder. They were accusing him of things happening back in 2007. Wait till the fire dies down because I'm 100% certain both the Bush and Obama offices were heavily involved with a reckless War on Drugs moneymaking scheme.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's too soon to attribute who did what -- the whole operation has been confused by the squawkboxes that called out Holder. They were accusing him of things happening back in 2007. Wait till the fire dies down because I'm 100% certain both the Bush and Obama offices were heavily involved with a reckless War on Drugs moneymaking scheme.

Throw in every president going back to Nixon

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Scheduling conflicts

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/claire-mccaskill-skip-democratic-national-convention-202046727.html


More DNC news


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/democratic-national-convention-organizers-drop-charlotte-speedway-from-itinerary/2012/06/26/gJQAtXTH4V_blog.html?wprss=rss_campaigns

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What a despicable bastard:

A few years ago he couldnt name his favorite White Sox player and said the Sox used to play in Comiskey Field

[spoon]

He's his-pandering.

How did I miss this gem?

CLASSIC!

[spoon]

Fuck it, Obama should just start revving up the B-2 Bombers to strike Tehran.

wrong party

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who woulda thought Obama would become Dick Cheney


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/obama-secret-syria-order_n_1730712.html

[brettmojo]

Who woulda thought Obama would become Dick Cheney


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/obama-secret-syria-order_n_1730712.html
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[A.J.]

Who woulda thought Obama would become Dick Cheney


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/obama-secret-syria-order_n_1730712.html

That couples nicely with his plans to attack Iran.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This article is very vague. We need to get ABC news Brian Ross on top of this. Maybe it was the tea party



http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/protesters-smash-window-at-barack-obamas-campaign-office-in-downtown-oakland/2012/08/04/a5807b78-ddf7-11e1-8ad1-909913931f71_story.html

[zildjian361]

gas has already gone up in 45cents in the last month. it' a start.

Gvac was right:smoke::drunk:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Let's all wish Barack a happy 51st birthday today.


Word is that hes having his gala at You didnt build a bear workshop

[underdog]

Let's all wish Barack a happy 51st birthday today.


Word is that hes having his gala at You didnt build a bear workshop

Ugh.

[hanso]

Let's all wish Barack a happy 51st birthday today.


Word is that hes having his gala at You didnt build a bear workshop

Oh I get it now, a double taken out of context deal.

[A.J.]

He will be causing traffic jams for WF. (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-coming-close-beach-143039714.html)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I 95 is already looking like a parking lot


Thankfully Im close to the Merritt

[A.J.]

I NEVER take 95 if I can avoid it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

$38,500 just to have dinner with the pretty people and they say Romney is out of touch

[boobieman]

$38,500 just to have dinner with the pretty people and they say Romney is out of touch

That is better then paying $38,500 and have Romney touch ya..well maybe

SEYYAAA

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The DNC is having trouble selling out seats for Obamas acceptance speech at BofA stadium. I thought of some promotional ideas.

Obama bobblehead night
1st 10,000 people receive EBT cards
Greencard/Work visa promotion

[WRESTLINGFAN]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:


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[Jujubees2]

Megaidiot! Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine says Obama mastermind behind ‘staged’ shootings in Aurora, Colo. and at Wisconsin Sikh temple (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/megaidiot-megadeth-frontman-dave-mustaine-obama-mastermind-behind-staged-shootings-aurora-colo-wisconsin-sikh-temple-article-1.1137138#ixzz23eo35A8j)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More problems for the DHS


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/15/immigration-chief-takes-voluntary-leave-after-accusations-of-mistreating-male-workers?s_cid=rss:immigration-chief-takes-voluntary-leave-after-accusations-of-mistreating-male-workers

[A.J.]

More problems for the DHS


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/15/immigration-chief-takes-voluntary-leave-after-accusations-of-mistreating-male-workers?s_cid=rss:immigration-chief-takes-voluntary-leave-after-accusations-of-mistreating-male-workers

A second man claims he was working as an ICE attaché in Colombia the same year when he attended a party at a U.S. diplomat's home where Barr drank heavily and approached him, offering him oral sex.

And he turned it down? Queer.

[A.J.]

Megaidiot! Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine says Obama mastermind behind ‘staged’ shootings in Aurora, Colo. and at Wisconsin Sikh temple (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/megaidiot-megadeth-frontman-dave-mustaine-obama-mastermind-behind-staged-shootings-aurora-colo-wisconsin-sikh-temple-article-1.1137138#ixzz23eo35A8j)

Whaddya mean I don't believe in Dave Mustaine? I pray to him every night.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just like the Pied Piper Led rats through the streets We dance like marionettes,

Swaying to the Symphony... Of Destruction







http://www.noticiassin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/obama.jpg

[spoon]

Just like the Pied Piper Led rats through the streets We dance like marionettes,

Swaying to the Symphony... Of Destruction







http://www.noticiassin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/obama.jpg

You want to know how I know you're gay? ^^^That awful post and that fact you suck republican cock. I read through your twitter and I couldn't fucking laugh louder. You're insane and obsessed on top of it all as well.

I recommend reading his twitter once in a while for a complete lack of logic and reason fuck fest of the mind and soul. dey took er jobs! derrrrr!

[spoon]

his twitter should be labeled, "BFE"

:lol:

[underdog]

his twitter should be labeled, "BFE"

:lol:

all he does is RT michelle malkin and tweet @ the borowitz report.

He's fucking nuts.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You want to know how I know you're gay? ^^^That awful post and that fact you suck republican cock. I read through your twitter and I couldn't fucking laugh louder. You're insane and obsessed on top of it all as well.

I recommend reading his twitter once in a while for a complete lack of logic and reason fuck fest of the mind and soul. dey took er jobs! derrrrr!


How many times have you read my criticisms of the GOP.

Are you so angry and bitter that the plaque for your 1st kiss was in a stall in a mens bathroom at McDonalds?

[NickyL0885]

For WF

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[spoon]

How many times have you read my criticisms of the GOP.

Are you so angry and bitter that the plaque for your 1st kiss was in a stall in a mens bathroom at McDonalds?

so stupid

and to answer your question, 1 time for every 500k you rip the other side and it's usually aimed at a sacrificial lamb AFTER the fact (W) or clearly tempered at best

[epo]

You want to know how I know you're gay? ^^^That awful post and that fact you suck republican cock. I read through your twitter and I couldn't fucking laugh louder. You're insane and obsessed on top of it all as well.

I recommend reading his twitter once in a while for a complete lack of logic and reason fuck fest of the mind and soul. dey took er jobs! derrrrr!

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

so stupid

and to answer your question, 1 time for every 500k you rip the other side and it's usually aimed at a sacrificial lamb AFTER the fact (W) or clearly tempered at best

I'll rip anyone who wants to expand the federal government whether it be for another social program or for the police state and wanting more wars. Ryan and Romney included

[hanso]

I'll rip anyone who wants to expand the federal government whether it be for another social program or for the police state and wanting more wars. Ryan and Romney included

Even when the economy has tanked to get it on it's feet again? And if not what else to try for this case?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even when the economy has tanked to get it on it's feet again? And if not what else to try for this case?

Economy is no way back on its feet.


We have a choice. Some nice guy who is inept but hell hes likeable and is good to have a beer with or someone who thinks he can turn it around with his business background


Great choices

[brettmojo]

So averting a great depression, prolonging the life of medicare, ending a war, passing healthcare, saved the auto industry, repairing our foreign relations and getting Bin Laden is "inept"? All that even while being hindered by the worst congress ever who have done nothing but hindered the recovery from day one when the 112th took over...

What does that make Romney?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So averting a great depression, prolonging the life of medicare, ending a war, passing healthcare, saved the auto industry, repairing our foreign relations and getting Bin Laden is "inept"? All that even while being hindered by the worst congress ever who have done nothing but hindered the recovery from day one when the 112th took over...

What does that make Romney?

Kicking the can down the road by inflating the currency, gutting medicare (which Ryan will do also for the same amount) Like Obamacare will be a success. Look at Medicare. Obamacare will suffer the same fate. Foreign relations improving? We are still hated. The Arab spring blew up in his face. Is Terrorism over? One dead Arab doesnt cut it. The Auto industry is far from saved. Its at least a 25 billion dollar loss and will eventually need another bailout. GM is losing market share. Stock is trading below 20. Sales numbers are due to mostly the gov't purchasing these vehicles. Let me add all the green energy scams and allowing Mexican cartels to receive weapons and he seals those records via executive privilege.


Great record.


Makes Romney if he gets elected. Meet the new boss same as the old one.

[hanso]

Economy is no way back on its feet.


We have a choice. Some nice guy who is inept but hell hes likeable and is good to have a beer with or someone who thinks he can turn it around with his business background


Great choices

These things you denounce were done with that in mind. Of course it's not a good thing to keep expanding, but at times it is needed ( rescission / depression )

The expanding policies although not used to full extents in many cases, have held check with some small growth.

The choice

The other side Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want cuts made which should have the opposite effect. It has been estimated that in two years 4 million jobs would be lost under their plans.

You see it's not that the left loves expanding policies it's that they have to in order to fix the economies that the right has fucked over every time.