2011-12 NFL Season

[keithy_19]

Wow did you see the fight between Finnegan and Johnson in the Tenn/Houston game?

Pretty intense stuff.

[keithy_19]

Stupid, stupid penalty.

But what a response by the line.

[sailor]

Huge TD by Green Bay. A tie game with :56 seconds left in Atlanta.

tough loss, hip.

[Ritalin]

Now if the Bears win, it makes it tough for the Pack to even make the playoffs.

[epo]

Now if the Bears win, it makes it tough for the Pack to even make the playoffs.

The Bears? How do you expect me to take you seriously?

[spoon]

I didn't see it but I do know Finnegan is a world class asshole.

[Ritalin]

The Bears? How do you expect me to take you seriously?

Ok. Ok.

We'll know in 3 hours.

[Justice4all]

13 seconds go by and Oakland is already up by 7.
That AWESOME

[HBox]

I didn't see it but I do know Finnegan is a world class asshole.

I looked like Finnegan was taking shots at Johnson's head during the game, then on the play in question he does it again, Johnson goes back at him, Finnegan hits back, Johnson rips off Finnegan's helmet, Finnegan rips off Johnson's, and then Johnson hits with 3 wild punches to the head before it's broken up.

[Ritalin]

And didn't the Bears already beat the Pack once?

You're a sad sad football fan with no judgement

[keithy_19]

HATE calling timeouts before a field goal.

And buffalo has my favorite helmets in football.

[Justice4all]

I looked like Finnegan was taking shots at Johnson's head during the game, then on the play in question he does it again, Johnson goes back at him, Finnegan hits back, Johnson rips off Finnegan's helmet, Finnegan rips off Johnson's, and then Johnson hits with 3 wild punches to the head before it's broken up.

It reminded me of the Deion Sanders vs. Andre Rison slap fight.

[Ritalin]

7-3 good guys.

I read in the Chicago papers that the field has been allowed to get a little long. It's a cow pasture, basically. No fast track for Vick. Still scares the hell out of me though.

[Ritalin]

Ahem. You heard it here first.

[Ritalin]

Helllloooooooo!

[TripleSkeet]

If our defense tightens things up its only a matter of time until the Eagles take this game.

[underdog]

It reminded me of the Deion Sanders vs. Andre Rison slap fight.

Except that Johnson was actually throwing punches.

[underdog]

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/mollywhoppin.gif

[Ritalin]

Sing along, Epo

Bear down, Chicago Bears...

No?

[Justice4all]

Bears are handling the Eagles very nicely.

Where's Skeet?

[Justice4all]

Wow I don't blame Cutler...how was that NOT a Pass Interference call?

[disneyspy]

Bears are handling the Eagles very nicely.

Where's Skeet?

he's busy kicking his stuffed eagles doll

[cougarjake13]

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/mollywhoppin.gif

not for nothing but that dick needed to get punched



fucking refs ruin it by breaking it up

[cougarjake13]

The Bears? How do you expect me to take you seriously?

seems serious enough to me



hindsight and all

[Justice4all]

If our defense tightens things up its only a matter of time until the Eagles take this game.

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[Justice4all]

Holy shit!!! Catch of the week!!!

[Ritalin]

People, your NFC North Champion, and likely 2 seed in the 2010 playoffs, your Chicago Bears!

[cougarjake13]

People, your NFC North Champion, and likely 2 seed in the 2010 playoffs, your Chicago Bears!

still a bit early for that

they still have packers jets and patriots to play ...along with lions and vikes




green bay has 49ers lions giants patriots and bears

[epo]

People, your NFC North Champion, and likely 2 seed in the 2010 playoffs, your Chicago Bears!

Good win today, but the season is hardly over my friend.

[Ritalin]

True. I shouldn't get ahead of myself. They could go up to Detroit and lose, the way this season is for everybody.

They do have a two game lead on the Pack, though, because they already beat them once, and at least they have the Pats at home.

[Ritalin]

Good win today, but the season is hardly over my friend.

Yours is.

[TripleSkeet]

Bears are handling the Eagles very nicely.

Where's Skeet?

Right here. Not much to say. The Bears played strong, and took advantage of the breaks that came there way. Basically the opposite of the Giants last week.

Its ok. Im not worried. You cant win them all. The Giants still have done nothing to concern me so far.

[hanso]

not for nothing but that dick needed to get punched



fucking refs ruin it by breaking it up

He claps after getting hit cause he knows the other guy is out of the game.

[TripleSkeet]

He claps after getting hit cause he knows the other guy is out of the game.

Hope you followed those 2nd thoughts on the Minnesota game.

[Jayw]

Norv Turner for president yet?

[hanso]

Hope you followed those 2nd thoughts on the Minnesota game.

Yeah, I did but that wouldn't have been that bad as it has low scoring. My first one was for HOU, but they ranked so low couldn't go with it. (they shut out TEN&2-INT). I ended up with CLE and 6 fantasy points.

[Justice4all]

Man falls to his death during the Bears/Eagles game at Soldier Field. (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/28/man-falls-to-death-at-chicagos-soldier-field/?hpt=T2)

[TripleSkeet]

Man falls to his death during the Bears/Eagles game at Soldier Field. (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/28/man-falls-to-death-at-chicagos-soldier-field/?hpt=T2)

Too bad he didnt fall onto the actual field. That grass was so long and soft it wouldve been like falling into a pillow.

[Snoogans]

Man falls to his death during the Bears/Eagles game at Soldier Field. (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/28/man-falls-to-death-at-chicagos-soldier-field/?hpt=T2)

Police in Chicago, Illinois are investigating the death of a 27-year-old man who fell from the upper level of Soldier Field, home of the Chicago Bears, to the ground outside the stadium.

how the fuck do you fall OUT OF THE ENTIRE STADIUM? Did he climb up onto the roof? Isnt there supposed to be like a wall behind the top row? In old Giants Stadium there was a fuckin 8 foot cement wall behind you. How the FUCK do you fall outside?

[Snoogans]

from a different article same story:

t was not immediately known why the male fell. But a fire department spokesman said a man was found on roof outside Soldiers Field. Witnesses told authorities he jumped off the balcony area

he had to have. It had to be on purpose

[spoon]

It reminded me of the Deion Sanders vs. Andre Rison slap fight.

Except that Johnson was actually throwing punches.

That was the furthest thing from a slap fight. Not sure how one would even try to compare those two altercations.

[TripleSkeet]

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/mollywhoppin.gif

Disgraceful. In all fairness, Johnson should be suspended....at least one game. :wink:

[Snoogans]

I love that johnson did that. Finnigan or whatever has always been a douche. Fuck him. his hair is even douchey. He looked like pauly D.

[Tenbatsuzen]

from a different article same story:



he had to have. It had to be on purpose

Suicide or beer muscles?

[TripleSkeet]

I love that johnson did that. Finnigan or whatever has always been a douche. Fuck him. his hair is even douchey. He looked like pauly D.

I agree. I love it even more he did it right before Houston plays the Eagles. :thumbup:

[Snoogans]

Suicide or beer muscles?

it says he jumped off a balcony according to them and they said they found him 50 feet down on a part of the roof. I bet he was tryin to jump down to something and fucked up

[spoon]

oh there is no doubt he'll be suspended and fined, but I enjoyed watching Finnegan get what he deserves for once. johnson has hardly been the idiot Finnegan has over the last few years, let alone this year alone.

pretty safe to say we may see the longest tenured coach, and a good one let go soon in Tenn. I'd take Fisher in a second, but my guess is if let go he'd take some time off.

[Justice4all]

That was the furthest thing from a slap fight. Not sure how one would even try to compare those two altercations.

I didn't mean the intensity of the fight is what reminded me of it. Just to see two guys trying to go blow for blow. Back and forth.
But oh yea...out of the two this one was WAY more intense.

Johnson won that fight in a landslide.


And I bet Spoon, you're thrilled about the ass whooping the Bolts just gave the Colts.

[disneyspy]

i couldnt believe they showed the fight on tv,they normally show other stuff but they made a point of replaying it during the game

[hanso]

Johnson's had it tuff so far with a bum ankle. He would be having a break out year. Give the guy a break.

[Snacks]

Disgraceful. In all fairness, Johnson should be suspended....at least one game. :wink:

why? that wasnt the whole video of what happend. he took johnsons helmet off first and started the fight, johnson finished it.

[TripleSkeet]

why? that wasnt the whole video of what happend. he took johnsons helmet off first and started the fight, johnson finished it.

It was a joke. They play the Eagles this Thursday so it would behoove my team if Johnson was suspended for that game.

[weekapaugjz]

steve johnson blamed god for dropping a sure game winning TD in the bills game today. that's fucking hilarious.

[Snacks]

steve johnson blamed god for dropping a sure game winning TD in the bills game today. that's fucking hilarious.

seriously? thats fucking great. its about time someone blamed god when something bad happens. god sure as fuck gets praise for no reason when something good happens!

[weekapaugjz]

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__29/ept_sports_nfl_experts-199308836-1290987173.jpg?ymlqHKEDJMCtqUsX

[Snacks]

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__29/ept_sports_nfl_experts-199308836-1290987173.jpg?ymlqHKEDJMCtqUsX

he now is seeing the light! i hope if he ever wins anything when they put the mic in his face i hope he says "i want to thank me and only me because god dont do shit"!!!

[Ritalin]

it says he jumped off a balcony according to them and they said they found him 50 feet down on a part of the roof. I bet he was tryin to jump down to something and fucked up

He jumped up over a rail to hide behind one of the columns to smoke and he fell. Accident.

[KnoxHarrington]

he now is seeing the light! i hope if he ever wins anything when they put the mic in his face i hope he says "i want to thank me and only me because god dont do shit"!!!

Fucking love this guy.

God blew that play, and he's not afraid to call Him out on it. Most people don't have the stones to call God out when He fucks up.

[Snacks]

He jumped up over a rail to hide behind one of the columns to smoke and he fell. Accident.

stupid fuck, I dont feel sorry for him now. He had to smoke that bad that he would do something so stupid? I smoked for 15 years (non smoker now for over 4 years) and would never do something so stupid for a smoke!

Smoking is bad for your health in more ways then you think!

[TripleSkeet]

The NFL is such a fucking joke. They are fining guys $50k and $75k for clean hits yet 2 guys rip off each others helmets and start throwing punches and they dont get suspended? $25k fine each. I wonder if the NFL wouldve been so forgiving if Andre Johnson wasnt playing on the NFL Network this Thursday night.

[hanso]

seriously? thats fucking great. its about time someone blamed god when something bad happens. god sure as fuck gets praise for no reason when something good happens!

This is a Carlin bit if I remember right.

[Snoogans]

he didnt blame god. he, im guessing, was joking mostly, and he never actually said god. If you watch his pregame comments, im pretty sure the only person he blames is himself.

This "God" shit was actually funny

[weekapaugjz]

he didnt blame god. he, im guessing, was joking mostly, and he never actually said god. If you watch his pregame comments, im pretty sure the only person he blames is himself.

This "God" shit was actually funny

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__28/ept_sports_nfl_experts-365441813-1290387416.jpg?ymYP1HEDe.YRfJil

[Snoogans]

most of the places ive seen reporting it are reporting as if the guy is legitimately blaming god. Its annoying

[TheGameHHH]

Dear Frank Gore,

Stop being a pussy and score me some points. Thanks

[Tenbatsuzen]

The NFL is such a fucking joke. They are fining guys $50k and $75k for clean hits yet 2 guys rip off each others helmets and start throwing punches and they dont get suspended? $25k fine each. I wonder if the NFL wouldve been so forgiving if Andre Johnson wasnt playing on the NFL Network this Thursday night.

Here's the problem:

The Titans player is basically Sean Avery with an attitude problem. Dre is known as one of the most calm, levelheaded players in the league.

Gooddell suspends Dre, everyone gets pissed because they know it's the Titans player fault. He can't suspend the Titans player because Dre took the helmet off first. So you fine them both 25k and call it a day.

[epo]

Once again this dogshit commissioner looks like an idiot for random punishments. Goodell doesn't work even the most basic set of guidelines, so he looks like an inconsistent douche.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Once again this dogshit commissioner looks like an idiot for random punishments. Goodell doesn't work even the most basic set of guidelines, so he looks like an inconsistent douche.

So what would you have done? I think the punishment, for this case, was fair.

[epo]

So what would you have done? I think the punishment, for this case, was fair.

A good commissioner would have some standardized rules in place for fighting. And a good commissioner would enforce those rules, no matter who is the perceived "good guy".

Instead, Roger Goodell woke up in a good mood and both got fines.

[spoon]

The NFL is such a fucking joke. They are fining guys $50k and $75k for clean hits yet 2 guys rip off each others helmets and start throwing punches and they dont get suspended? $25k fine each. I wonder if the NFL wouldve been so forgiving if Andre Johnson wasnt playing on the NFL Network this Thursday night.

I expected more too, especially for Finnegan being that he was a multiple offender ... this year. However, the precedent was set this year with the Seymore punch to Ben and subsequent fine. I'm glad they didn't actually make Johnson sit, mainly bc Finnegan deserved that beating and then some. Also, we all need him to help put the Eagles back in their place next week.

[spoon]

So what would you have done? I think the punishment, for this case, was fair.

In my mind Finnegan could have easily been dinged much more due to his past, but Johnson isn't really on the NFL's radar despite a fine last year or so. Believe it or not, he received around a $7,500 fine for get this, getting into it with Finnegan.

Epo, I hardly think the NFL commish currently in office is the only one who hasn't employed a hard set of rules to deal with these type of issues. He's just the most recent one. I'd much rather these issues be dealt with on a case by case basis versus set fines/suspensions. I realize it can be tricky with star players versus 2nd tier down when disciplining players, but I'd much rather some flexibility.

[Justice4all]

seriously? thats fucking great. its about time someone blamed god when something bad happens. god sure as fuck gets praise for no reason when something good happens!

I would love to see if you're singing this same tune in, say, 10 years.

[Justice4all]

stupid fuck, I dont feel sorry for him now. He had to smoke that bad that he would do something so stupid? I smoked for 15 years (non smoker now for over 4 years) and would never do something so stupid for a smoke!

Smoking is bad for your health in more ways then you think!

Maybe it was WHAT he was trying to smoke that led to that bad decision.

Crack kills.

[Justice4all]

I expected more too, especially for Finnegan being that he was a multiple offender ... this year. However, the precedent was set this year with the Seymore punch to Ben and subsequent fine. I'm glad they didn't actually make Johnson sit, mainly bc Finnegan deserved that beating and then some. Also, we all need him to help put the Eagles back in their place next week.

Well Johnson's rep is as a low key guy. NOTHING like Finnegan. And with the bits Finnegan said near the start of the season (something along the lines of wanting to become the #1 agitator/most hated player in the NFL) this sounds like something premeditated.
And I also heard he said to the Houston bench "Watch this" before going at it with Johnson?
I think the fines and no suspensions are good, but I would have fined Finnegan a little more. I don't think he would make nearly as much as Johnson and a higher fine would hurt him a little more.

[spoon]

I would love to see if you're singing this same tune in, say, 10 years.

Why would he lose his stance on religion in 10 years?

Weren't you the one who got angry when he challenged what you believed? I guess it's ok to attack his lack there of bc he's not allowed the same righteous indignation? I'm sorry, to me that sign is fine, Snack's statement is his belief and those hurt by either can't truly believe without doubt if so easily offended or upset.

[Snacks]

I would love to see if you're singing this same tune in, say, 10 years.

why would i change? my dislike for religion has grown stronger as the years gone by.

[Snacks]

Why would he lose his stance on religion in 10 years?

Weren't you the one who got angry when he challenged what you believed? I guess it's ok to attack his lack there of bc he's not allowed the same righteous indignation? I'm sorry, to me that sign is fine, Snack's statement is his belief and those hurt by either can't truly believe without doubt if so easily offended or upset.

trust me spoon it makes me i laugh at tom and others like him who fight people who dont believe in religion, yet these same people dont even live their lives the way they beliefs say they should.

[TripleSkeet]

Fine levied should vary for multiple offenders. Fighting should result in at least a 1 game suspension. Period. Doesnt matter who the players are. How the fuck can you try and act like your this no nonsense commissioner when you will allow a fucking fistfight in the middle of the game, but not a sock color that isnt league approved?

[sailor]

A good commissioner would have some standardized rules in place for fighting. And a good commissioner would enforce those rules, no matter who is the perceived "good guy".

Instead, Roger Goodell woke up in a good mood and both got fines.

before last week's games they said 25k was the standard punishment for first time fighting. they followed that rule. or:


Fighting has defined penalties...

[Snoogans]

Fine levied should vary for multiple offenders. Fighting should result in at least a 1 game suspension. Period. Doesnt matter who the players are. How the fuck can you try and act like your this no nonsense commissioner when you will allow a fucking fistfight in the middle of the game, but not a sock color that isnt league approved?

you havent noticed yet? Goodell makes up penalties based on what he does. If someone does something he doesnt like, he reigns down with an iron fist. If someone does something Goodell does himself, like drive drunk or apparently punch people in the face, then its no big deal.

[Snoogans]

Dear Frank Gore,

Stop being a pussy and score me some points. Thanks

San Francisco's Frank Gore has a broken right hip. He is done for the season with the hip injury

what a pussy

[TheGameHHH]

what a pussy

total pussy. if you're good enough to jog off the field, you're good enough to be out there carrying the ball and scoring me points. pussy

[Justice4all]

Why would he lose his stance on religion in 10 years?

Weren't you the one who got angry when he challenged what you believed? I guess it's ok to attack his lack there of bc he's not allowed the same righteous indignation? I'm sorry, to me that sign is fine, Snack's statement is his belief and those hurt by either can't truly believe without doubt if so easily offended or upset.


it's not that....this was not his viewpoint about god (or in his case...a lack of god) all through his life.

Never mind, this would get us so far off topic of what this thread is about I won't go there anymore.

[TripleSkeet]

Im sure Im going to get killed for this but when I gave my Kevin Kolb prediction at the beginning of the year, I said hed have 30-35 touchdowns this year. The reasons behind this I said was a shitty defense partnered with an offense that had a shitload of weapons.

Now I know that prediction failed miserably and Im not denying it. But the bottom line is Michael Vick after 2 years not playing has 21 total TDs with 5 games left, and thats not counting the 4 1/2 games he didnt play. Say what you want, I never in a million years expected the year to look like this, but I knew what the Eagles as a team had to offer and what they could do.

Spoon, get your sigs designs ready fuckhead. (By the way, still in first in the Yahoo pickem league and 2 points out of first in the ESPN pickem league)

[cougarjake13]

Im sure Im going to get killed for this but when I gave my Kevin Kolb prediction at the beginning of the year, I said hed have 30-35 touchdowns this year. The reasons behind this I said was a shitty defense partnered with an offense that had a shitload of weapons.

Now I know that prediction failed miserably and Im not denying it. But the bottom line is Michael Vick after 2 years not playing has 21 total TDs with 5 games left, and thats not counting the 4 1/2 games he didnt play. Say what you want, I never in a million years expected the year to look like this, but I knew what the Eagles as a team had to offer and what they could do.

Spoon, get your sigs designs ready fuckhead. (By the way, still in first in the Yahoo pickem league and 2 points out of first in the ESPN pickem league)

how would you get killed

from day one they said kolb was the man, barring that injury week one he'd still be and this feel good story with vick woulda never happened

you went with the info you had at the time

cowboys were pretty much handed the division
eagles giants and skins just competing for second and maybe a wild card with most people thinking that all 3 teams were in a mini rebuilding phase

[spoon]

Im sure Im going to get killed for this but when I gave my Kevin Kolb prediction at the beginning of the year, I said hed have 30-35 touchdowns this year. The reasons behind this I said was a shitty defense partnered with an offense that had a shitload of weapons.

Now I know that prediction failed miserably and Im not denying it. But the bottom line is Michael Vick after 2 years not playing has 21 total TDs with 5 games left, and thats not counting the 4 1/2 games he didnt play. Say what you want, I never in a million years expected the year to look like this, but I knew what the Eagles as a team had to offer and what they could do.

Spoon, get your sigs designs ready fuckhead. (By the way, still in first in the Yahoo pickem league and 2 points out of first in the ESPN pickem league)

OH the McNabb sigs I'll have everyone working on will look soooo nice! :lol:

[spoon]

Oh and he'll get killed on it bc he predicted a first time starter in the NFL with very little protection due to the Eagle's awful O-line to throw a shitload of TDs. The argument that Vick hadn't played in 2 years is shit bc he's in his second year back, two training camps in and in better shape physically/mentally then he ever was. I can argue very few would have his numbers behind that line outside of Vick. His mobility allows him to get the ball out and extend plays where most would be sacked and or hurt over time. Hell, even Vick got banged up after Kolb did early in the year.

[KnoxHarrington]

Your Monday nights might be a lot less rowdy next year.

The NFL's players' union has issued a letter to all NFL teams and players advising them to save their money and prepare for an impending lockout that could occur in March of 2011.

The letter has been said to instruct the players to save their final three game checks to prepare themselves for a potential "lack of income".


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/534648-nfl-union-tells-palyers-in-letter-prepare-for-lockout-now

This is probably a smart move by the union, since what's really caused unions to cave in other lockouts/strikes is the fact that the players spent all their money on bling, making it rain, and paying for their ass-kissing entourages (and all the other money they wasted.) To quote Patrick Ewing, "We make a lot, but we spend a lot."

Now, I'm not going to say anything stupid like going off on some dumb tirade about how if this happens, the NFL can kiss my ass and I'll never watch pro football again. Like an abused wife still wearing a shiner from the time she forgot to put mayo on her husband's sandwich, I might think about leaving, but I won't. I'll be back.

Now if the NBA has a lockout too, they really can go fuck themselves. I'm not watching the NBA anyway, so that won't be much of a loss.

[TripleSkeet]

Oh and he'll get killed on it bc he predicted a first time starter in the NFL with very little protection due to the Eagle's awful O-line to throw a shitload of TDs. The argument that Vick hadn't played in 2 years is shit bc he's in his second year back, two training camps in and in better shape physically/mentally then he ever was. I can argue very few would have his numbers behind that line outside of Vick. His mobility allows him to get the ball out and extend plays where most would be sacked and or hurt over time. Hell, even Vick got banged up after Kolb did early in the year.

But you cant argue the fact that his offensive weaponry has ALOT to do with his success. I completely agree about the line, which after watching them play is why I changed my mind about Vick being the starter. My point was though that his RB and recievers are having the kind of years I expected, unfortunately so is the defense.

OH the McNabb sigs I'll have everyone working on will look soooo nice! :lol:

Ill make them myself if you request them.

[sailor]

huge game for the raiders this week, but not a lot of confidence going into it. can't believe i have to root for the broncos again as well.

[KnoxHarrington]

Favre out, Jackson in for the Vikings.

I'm as big a Vikings fan as you'll find anywhere in Minnesota right now. I hope Jackson throws for 400 yards with 5 or 6 TD's.

[epo]

Tavaris Jackson in for the Vikings.

[KnoxHarrington]

Tavaris Jackson in for the Vikings.

Fox's announcers said wrist injury, but Red Zone Channel Dude said they were being told it's his shoulder.

Either way, it might be too much to ask, but I hope that a decision on Favre's future is made quickly and decisively, without getting strung out with the drama faggot bullshit Favre loves so much.

Guess which way it'll be. :wallbash:

[KnoxHarrington]

Oh, quick question: apparently, the Packers are wearing brown helmets today to mark the fact that the throwback unis they're wearing today (from their first championship team, in 1929) would have been leather.

Why not just cover their helmets with leather? That might be kinda cool.

[TheGameHHH]

The Redskins are an embarrassment as a franchise and embarrassing to the game of football

[epo]

Oh, quick question: apparently, the Packers are wearing brown helmets today to mark the fact that the throwback unis they're wearing today (from their first championship team, in 1929) would have been leather.

Why not just cover their helmets with leather? That might be kinda cool.

Wouldn't that just add weight to the helmet?

[KnoxHarrington]

Giants look like they're about to throw a total beatdown on the Redskins today.

[epo]

Fox's announcers said wrist injury, but Red Zone Channel Dude said they were being told it's his shoulder.

Either way, it might be too much to ask, but I hope that a decision on Favre's future is made quickly and decisively, without getting strung out with the drama faggot bullshit Favre loves so much.

Guess which way it'll be. :wallbash:

When my friends from Minnesota whine about Grandma Favre, I just smile and say "you're welcome".

[KingModem]

Fox's announcers said wrist injury, but Red Zone Channel Dude said they were being told it's his shoulder.

Either way, it might be too much to ask, but I hope that a decision on Favre's future is made quickly and decisively, without getting strung out with the drama faggot bullshit Favre loves so much.

Guess which way it'll be. :wallbash:

Brett Favre is off the field in the locker room.

[KnoxHarrington]

They just said that in his career, Aaron Rodgers has thrown 51 TD passes in the red zone...and 2 INT's.

Hmm , wonder why the Packers decided it was time to get rid of Favre

[epo]

They just said that in his career, Aaron Rodgers has thrown 51 TD passes in the red zone...and 2 INT's.

Hmm , wonder why the Packers decided it was time to get rid of Favre


Age
Production
Rodger's impending free agency
Attitude

There were a bunch of reasons.

[KnoxHarrington]

Tavaris picking right up where Favre left off.

[KnoxHarrington]

We were just told that Chad Ochocinco and some dude on the Saints had a "Twitter battle" this week.

When did football players turn into 16 year old girls? Jesus Christ. Woody Hayes should rise from the grave to punch both of these nancies in the face.

[epo]

We were just told that Chad Ochocinco and some dude on the Saints had a "Twitter battle" this week.

When did football players turn into 16 year old girls? Jesus Christ. Woody Hayes should rise from the grave to punch both of these nancies in the face.

Didn't Chad claim to wanna fight Darren Sharper?

[epo]

Anyone else notice that Minnesota is putting up a shitload of points with TJack at the helm?

[KnoxHarrington]

Anyone else notice that Minnesota is putting up a shitload of points with TJack at the helm?

It's hard to jump to conclusions because the Bills are just such a shit team, but they are playing like a team that's been set free, and is making a statement.

They've gotta be more tired of Favre's shit than any of us.

[Justice4all]

Giants D is having a field day on Washington!

[KnoxHarrington]

Holy shit that Donald Driver TD run was fucking amazing.

[epo]

It's hard to jump to conclusions because the Bills are just such a shit team, but they are playing like a team that's been set free, and is making a statement.

They've gotta be more tired of Favre's shit than any of us.

And just think, the Vikings sent an airplane and an extra $7million to Mississippi for that shit.

[epo]

Holy shit that Donald Driver TD run was fucking amazing.

Its even better when you consider that Driver is playing with a bad thigh.

[spoon]

huge game for the raiders this week, but not a lot of confidence going into it. can't believe i have to root for the broncos again as well.

The Raiders are going to get fucking STOMPED today! STOMPED!

[spoon]

They just said that in his career, Aaron Rodgers has thrown 51 TD passes in the red zone...and 2 INT's.

Hmm , wonder why the Packers decided it was time to get rid of Favre

That's not even mentioning how often he runs it in himself. Rodgers has a shitload of rushing tds for a guy not known for his speed. He just sees the holes in the d very well and teams must respect his arm. He's faster than most would think.

[Tenbatsuzen]

We were just told that Chad Ochocinco and some dude on the Saints had a "Twitter battle" this week.

When did football players turn into 16 year old girls? Jesus Christ. Woody Hayes should rise from the grave to punch both of these nancies in the face.

So you're not allowed to have fun? They were just talking shit and doing it for charity. Relax.

Ochocinco is one player I turned on in a positive way. I used to think he was a typical dumb attention whore, but he just wants to be liked by people. Sometimes he tries too hard, but it's all in good fun.

[Barnaby Jones]

The Raiders are going to get fucking STOMPED today! STOMPED!

I'll crush you for saying that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Snacks]

nothing pisses me off more then a player you are playing in fantasy does dick all game and then in the 4th q goes nuts. I was playing against Brees, he was doing nothing then a bomb td to meachem and then with 2 min left in the game cincy lets them drive right down the field and another td. he went from having 6 points to 22 points in no time.

[Barnaby Jones]

The Bengals are gigantic smelly bag of suck!!! What a bunch of assholes!!!!!!

[Snacks]

the miami game killed me. I had hillis, bess, carpenter and miami is my fav team. I thought I would get some points out of bess and carpenter to end the game and a win for miami. nope then i thought maybe i get a td at the end of the game from hillis, nope. so i get zero points from all my players at the end of the game and my team loses.

say what you want about henne but i dont blame him i blame the shitty coaching staff. sporano is terrible and henning is the worst offensive coordinator in the league. hes like 70, hes too old and too conservative in todays nfl. he calls runs when he should call pass and vice versa! i hope they fire the entire coaching staff when this season is over!

[spoon]

Do I think Chad Johnson is a bad guy, not really. However, it's obvious we look at sports and the players in totally different ways. He's disruptive and add in TO and here you have a team looking to placate egos versus actually do what got them to the playoffs for once...RUN the fucking ball. Palmer blows and hasn't been the same since Pitt destroyed him.

Knox nailed it, he's a fucking child.

[Justice4all]

The Giants D looked outstanding today. Bradshaw and Jacobs ran all over them.
Good win. Hope we can do the same to the Vikings.

[spoon]

I'll crush you for saying that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought you were in LA!?!? :unsure:

You should be pulling for the MUCH closer (geography based) team in SD you dick!

[Justice4all]

nothing pisses me off more then a player you are playing in fantasy does dick all game and then in the 4th q goes nuts. I was playing against Brees, he was doing nothing then a bomb td to meachem and then with 2 min left in the game cincy lets them drive right down the field and another td. he went from having 6 points to 22 points in no time.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that GOOD thing? You went from 6 points to 22 from your QB?

[Justice4all]

I thought you were in LA!?!? :unsure:

You should be pulling for the MUCH closer (geography based) team in SD you dick!

Prob. roots for those Raiders because of that whole LA move-in, move-out

[Snacks]

The Giants D looked outstanding today. Bradshaw and Jacobs ran all over them.
Good win. Hope we can do the same to the Vikings.

the giants didnt do anything special. they played against the worst offense in the league. i hate to admit it but mcnabb has looked terrible, i dont know if it his or shannahan or his son? but this team looks like dogshit.

[Snacks]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that GOOD thing? You went from 6 points to 22 from your QB?

i played against brees how is that a good thing that he went from 6 to 22?

[TripleSkeet]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that GOOD thing? You went from 6 points to 22 from your QB?

No the guy hes playing against had the QB that went from 6 points to 22.

[spoon]

Special teams kills SD yet again.

How many fucking games will they lose bc of st before they fucking make a move. I mean, the KC, Seattle and Oakland games were all pretty much lost bc of special teams.

[KnoxHarrington]

OK, in the Chargers game, who's this team in the silver pants? It says they're Oakland, but it can't be the Raiders. No way.

[TripleSkeet]

the giants didnt do anything special. they played against the worst offense in the league. i hate to admit it but mcnabb has looked terrible, i dont know if it his or shannahan or his son? but this team looks like dogshit.

:smoke:

[spoon]

No the guy hes playing against had the QB that went from 6 points to 22.

justice can't fucking read

[spoon]

wow peyton of late looking like the lesser manning

wtf?

[sailor]

Special teams kills SD yet again.

How many fucking games will they lose bc of st before they fucking make a move. I mean, the KC, Seattle and Oakland games were all pretty much lost bc of special teams.

Special teams and more turnovers.

[spoon]

Special teams and more turnovers.

Papabear said ur a dick. :innocent:

[sailor]

Papabear said ur a dick. :innocent:

Yeah, he's always hated me.

[Barnaby Jones]

I thought you were in LA!?!? :unsure:

You should be pulling for the MUCH closer (geography based) team in SD you dick!

Only assholes root for the chargers!!!!! May Al Davis eat your soul for brunch!!!!!

[disneyspy]

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[KnoxHarrington]

OK, what the fuck is going on with Peyton Manning?

[Snacks]

:smoke:

dont go celebrating too much I blame you for jinxing Sunny in Philly. That show is one of the funniest shows on tv, you show up on it and it has its worst episode ever. You better home you didnt destroy that show forever! We will know more next week, lets hope you didnt!

[Dell]

cannot believe my perfect record in the Elimination Challenge may end because of a Campbell-led Oakland team over the San Diego Chargers!!!

will Campbell and Norv Turner ever stop torturing this Redskin fan?...

[TripleSkeet]

dont go celebrating too much I blame you for jinxing Sunny in Philly. That show is one of the funniest shows on tv, you show up on it and it has its worst episode ever. You better home you didnt destroy that show forever! We will know more next week, lets hope you didnt!

What I dont get is they edited alot of funny parts out of that episode. When Charlie was giving his speech Dennis had some homophobic comments that were funny and they cut them out. Also when they were eating with Utley and Howard, that whole scene had dialogue while they were drinking their faces off and they cut it all out in favor of a Glory Days montage. I dont get it.

[Justice4all]

i played against brees how is that a good thing that he went from 6 to 22?

Oh ok..sorry read that wrong.
yea I can see how that would suck

[Justice4all]

The Raiders are going to get fucking STOMPED today! STOMPED!

Ummmmmm.......................

[Snacks]

What I dont get is they edited alot of funny parts out of that episode. When Charlie was giving his speech Dennis had some homophobic comments that were funny and they cut them out. Also when they were eating with Utley and Howard, that whole scene had dialogue while they were drinking their faces off and they cut it all out in favor of a Glory Days montage. I dont get it.

it was you, you jinx, mush bastard. you put the maloik on it.

[cougarjake13]

OK, what the fuck is going on with Peyton Manning?

he became eli

[cougarjake13]

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too little too late


should be fun next yr


if there is one

[spoon]

Ummmmmm.......................

STOMPED!

[Justice4all]

it was you, you jinx, mush bastard. you put the maloik on it.

Did you mean Malocchio?

Or were you trying to spell this?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_K9YAYLu2oFE/S-vasJxAkEI/AAAAAAAABik/jmZa0mDuzuk/s1600/malox.jpg

[Justice4all]

STOMPED!

At this point it will take the comeback of the year for that to happen.

Good luck though!

[spoon]

I have to say Raheem Morris HAS to be the coach of the year right now. Even if they don't make the playoffs in the EXTREMELY tough NFC South (outside of Carolina of course). Keep in mind, they not only have the youngest team in football, but are doing this all with a 2nd year Qb and rookie RB. Also, they are coming off a 3-13 year and are giving Atlanta all it can handle at this moment in a pretty darn big game in TB. I'm pretty darn impressed to say the least. Yet he has years to catch up to NORV TURNER! :lol:

[spoon]

Hey, looks like Peyton decided to show up.

Now if only the whole f'n SD team would show up too I'd be happy. I'm pretty sure they're all out via the Jewish holiday.

[TripleSkeet]

Wow. How many pick 6's is that for Manning this year?

[spoon]

2 today, 2 last week

[spoon]

go for it?

[spoon]

:down:

[cougarjake13]

Wow. How many pick 6's is that for Manning this year?

round 5

[Justice4all]

If the Colts hold off Dallas at the goal line again (6 straight attempts) that would be more than impressive.

[cougarjake13]

If the Colts hold off Dallas at the goal line again (6 straight attempts) that would be more than impressive.

jinxy

[spoon]

just an incredible fake by Cambell on that one, but 12 men...two plays in a row...REALLY!?

Fucking Norv ssssssssssaaaaaaaaaucks!

[razorboy]

Earnest Graham to John Gilmore. Hell yes.

[spoon]

If Norv gets fired in the locker room, this loss is worth it.

[razorboy]

And just like that, kickoff return for a TD.

[Justice4all]

Dallas you chicken shits! Try to go for a win!

[cougarjake13]

wow


waynes dropping a lot of passes lately

[Barnaby Jones]

Even in a year like this where things start looking spotty you still see Peyton Manning able to step up and lead his team like nobody else can!!!! Easily the best QB of all time!!!! Put the boot down on those fucking Cowbums!!!!

[cougarjake13]

Even in a year like this where things start looking spotty you still see Peyton Manning able to step up and lead his team like nobody else can!!!! Easily the best QB of all time!!!! Put the boot down on those fucking Cowbums!!!!

hard to argue his success

esp with the rag tag bunch he has besides wayne

[Ritalin]

Dallas blew it, and Aikman is too much of a pussy to call out Garrett. They're lucky to get the ball back.

Oh, and Cutler went 22-26 with no INTs. Go Bears.

Next week's game is going to be great. If I had to guess the line right now, it would be pick'em, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Bears were a 2-2.5 home dog versus the Pats.

[spoon]

wow


waynes dropping a lot of passes lately


Reggie Wayne 12 / 194 16.2 avg 1 td


I'd say he's having a pretty good game, especially with the Q label he had coming in.

[cougarjake13]

Reggie Wayne 12 / 194 16.2 avg 1 td


I'd say he's having a pretty good game, especially with the Q label he had coming in.



yeh i now he had those stats but he normally doesnt drop those balls

[spoon]

I'd say Dallas wins, but their kicker is fucking all over the place.

[Barnaby Jones]

Spoke too soon!!!

Fuck it, the Raisers dominated like the bad ass swashbucklers they are!!! WHUT-WHUT!!!!

[cougarjake13]

there goes peyton going all eli again

[KnoxHarrington]

Seriously, though, Peyton has been attempting to hand this game to the Cowboys all day. I don't know how excited the Cowboys should be with the fact that this game's in OT.

[cougarjake13]

Seriously, though, Peyton has been attempting to hand this game to the Cowboys all day. I don't know how excited the Cowboys should be with the fact that this game's in OT.

wins a win

[spoon]

I say he KILLS this ball wide. Huge leg, accuracy of a donkey.

[Ritalin]

Cmon Bucs. Come back.

[spoon]

nice kick dirty cowboy

actually helps my fucking AWFUL Chargers

[disneyspy]

holy shit what a great game


HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!

[spoon]

OH damn, you know the bucs are losing bc they are wearing the old orange unis.

[cougarjake13]

holy shit what a great game


HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!

the 4 and 8 cowboys ??


fucking great

[disneyspy]

OH damn, you know the bucs are losing bc they are wearing the old orange unis.

I NEED THOSE BASTARDS TO PULL THIS OUT S I CAN GAIN SOME REAL POINTS ON triple skeeter in the real pickem league

[spoon]

the 4 and 8 cowboys ??


fucking great

Ha!

SD is 6-6 and I'm much less happy!

Cowboys are shit!

[Dell]

I think San Diego has replaced Dallas on my hated team list...fuckers...

[disneyspy]

oh yes,nice pick up on 4th down,cmon bucs you fuckS!!

[spoon]

I NEED THOSE BASTARDS TO PULL THIS OUT S I CAN GAIN SOME REAL POINTS ON triple skeeter in the real pickem league

I fucked that league up sooo much this year (forgot to actually pick a few weeks based on actual thought versus quick fill out before lines were even listed) and I have money on it with PB. Fuck me. One week I just put down all away teams thinking I'd get to it later...yah, not so much.

[disneyspy]

NO!! fuck

[disneyspy]

I fucked that league up sooo much this year (forgot to actually pick a few weeks based on actual thought versus quick fill out before lines were even listed) and I have money on it with PB. Fuck me. One week I just put down all away teams thinking I'd get to it later...yah, not so much.

ive had to do that a few times when im house sitting out in the country otherwise i'd be killing you guys

[spoon]

that late hit call was bs

Freeman fucking popped him good too

[spoon]

ive had to do that a few times when im house sitting out in the country otherwise i'd be killing you guys

Yah yah yah. Put ur money where your mouth is. How'd you do in that +/- game last year for actual cash!? Yep, thought so. By the way, Kevin and Hippo still haven't paid up.

[disneyspy]

Yah yah yah. Put ur money where your mouth is. How'd you do in that +/- game last year for actual cash!? Yep, thought so. By the way, Kevin and Hippo still haven't paid up.

fuckin cheap ass jews

[spoon]

worse, albanian wanna-be serb

[TripleSkeet]

Even in a year like this where things start looking spotty you still see Peyton Manning able to step up and lead his team like nobody else can!!!! Easily the best QB of all time!!!! Put the boot down on those fucking Cowbums!!!!

Hes a phenominal QB, but in my opinion hes not even the best QB still playing. That goes to Tom Brady.


And neither of them are better then Joe Cool.

[cougarjake13]

that late hit call was bs

Freeman fucking popped him good too

yeh but it didnt affect the games outcome so no biggie

[disneyspy]

i dont think i can wait much longer

[Barnaby Jones]

Hes a phenominal QB, but in my opinion hes not even the best QB still playing. That goes to Tom Brady.


And neither of them are better then Joe Cool.

When all is said and done Manning is clearly the better QB than Brady! What you're seeing now is a guy hitting the final years of his career!!! Brady is great, but he benefited much more by being on much better teams than Manning usually had!!!

[Snacks]

I have to say Raheem Morris HAS to be the coach of the year right now. Even if they don't make the playoffs in the EXTREMELY tough NFC South (outside of Carolina of course). Keep in mind, they not only have the youngest team in football, but are doing this all with a 2nd year Qb and rookie RB. Also, they are coming off a 3-13 year and are giving Atlanta all it can handle at this moment in a pretty darn big game in TB. I'm pretty darn impressed to say the least. Yet he has years to catch up to NORV TURNER! :lol:

isnt ironic they were actually going to fire him before the season started after only 1 year as head coach? they decided against it and look how much better they are doing!

[Snacks]

When all is said and done Manning is clearly the better QB than Brady! What you're seeing now is a guy hitting the final years of his career!!! Brady is great, but he benefited much more by being on much better teams than Manning usually had!!!

couldnt agree more!

[TripleSkeet]

When all is said and done Manning is clearly the better QB than Brady! What you're seeing now is a guy hitting the final years of his career!!! Brady is great, but he benefited much more by being on much better teams than Manning usually had!!!

We will never agree on this. There is no "clearly" here. Bottom line, Brady won more rings with less talent. End of story.

Spin it however you want, but Troy Brown, Corey Dillon, Kevin Faulk and Deion Branch when he was winning Super Bowls while most of Mannings career he had Harrison, Edge, Dallas Clark, and Reggie Wayne. Even Stokely was better then what Brady was throwing to.

All those weapons and yet 2 less titles then Brady and 3 less then Montana. Id give him Top 5 all time, maybe even Top 3. But greatest ever? No. Not at this point.

By the way, Manning is 1 year older then Brady, so stop with the whole "Mannings hitting his final years bullshit".

[smiler grogan]

That Heath Miller hit was nauseating. He is out.

[Snacks]

why did balt even pass there? they had decent field position, 2nd and 5, the clock running and their defense playing like beasts. worse case if you dont rush for the 1st down on the next 2 plays you can punt it and pin pitt back needing a td to beat you and you would have run off at least another minute or 2!

How bad is the coaching in the nfl?

[Snacks]

oh and I just looked at my fantasy team. Im playing against pitts def and boldin. so pitt got extra points and now balt needs to pass so boldin will get more points. fucking hate coaches in this league!

[Snacks]

thanks Harbaugh (or however you spell that cocksuckers name) So glad you lost because of your stupidity and trying to get cute in this type of game!

That entire disaster cost me 6 points. So instead of being up by 28 points going into tomorrow Im only up by 22. I have no one going and the guy Im playing has keller, braylon edwards and folk against NE.

I hope NE kills them and NYJ do nothing.

[TripleSkeet]

thanks Harbaugh (or however you spell that cocksuckers name) So glad you lost because of your stupidity and trying to get cute in this type of game!

That entire disaster cost me 6 points. So instead of being up by 28 points going into tomorrow Im only up by 22. I have no one going and the guy Im playing has keller, braylon edwards and folk against NE.

I hope NE kills them and NYJ do nothing.

If its a points per reception league youre dead. If its not...youre still likely going to lose.

[epo]

The best thing about fantasy football players bitching is the hard fact that NFL coaches don't give a shit about you.

[Snacks]

If its a points per reception league youre dead. If its not...youre still likely going to lose.

No its not but still it will be close. as long as they dont score tds i might get lucky!

how fucking stupid is balt coaches though? I was happy to see Dilfer go right at them and that point on espn before. He didnt understand how your at your 43 with 2 and 5 and up by 4 and didnt run? He seemed pissed!

[Snacks]

The best thing about fantasy football players bitching is the hard fact that NFL coaches don't give a shit about you.

I agree but my bitching isnt so much for me. It was bad football that they did that killed me. If they did something that was smart for the game and themselves then I agree. But when poor football decisions hurt my team then Im pissed.

[Barnaby Jones]

We will never agree on this. There is no "clearly" here. Bottom line, Brady won more rings with less talent. End of story.

Whaaaaaaaat?!? How is that the end of the story?!?! That's a goofy ass way to look at how good a QB was or is!!! A ring isn't won by one person alone!!! The rings torpedo your argument about Brady being on worse teams than Manning!!!!

By the way, Manning is 1 year older then Brady, so stop with the whole "Mannings hitting his final years bullshit".

Uhhhhhh, 13 full seasons vs. 9.75??!?!? You might want to look up these things!!! You really think Brady isn't going to be running into similar decline 3 years from now?!?!?

[TripleSkeet]

Whaaaaaaaat?!? How is that the end of the story?!?! That's a goofy ass way to look at how good a QB was or is!!! A ring isn't won by one person alone!!! The rings torpedo your argument about Brady being on worse teams than Manning!!!!



Uhhhhhh, 13 full seasons vs. 9.75??!?!? You might want to look up these things!!! You really think Brady isn't going to be running into similar decline 3 years from now?!?!?

First of all, for 13 seasons Mannings hardly even been touched. I dont even think hes in decline, I just think hes having a bad year. Youre the one talking like hes Favre 4 years ago.

And Im sorry, but the way I look at it the measure of a great QB is a championship. Without one you can still be excellent, but you cant be considered the greatest of all time. Thats why Dan Marinos name was NEVER posted as number 1 ever, despite his stats.

Different people judge different ways. In my opinion if David Tyree drops that pass from Eli, then Tom Brady is the best QB in history. But his team lost, so he didnt get to 19-0 and didnt get that 4th ring. Is it fair? Maybe not entirely. But in football the QB gets the most credit if his team wins and most blame if he loses. Hes not just one of 11 players on the field. Hes the general. He leads the troops. When they win he reaps the glory, when they dont he takes the blame.

I dont care if Peyton Manning finishes with 100,000 passing yards and 1000 touchdowns. Without at LEAST one more ring, he will never get higher then Top 3 all time as far as Im concerned. Of course only on this board can saying a guy is probably one of the Top 3 QB's of all time get treated as if you said he sucks.

[weekapaugjz]

First of all, for 13 seasons Mannings hardly even been touched.

that couldn't be farther from the truth. in his first 4-5 years he was getting destroyed.

[Barnaby Jones]

First of all, for 13 seasons Mannings hardly even been touched. I dont even think hes in decline, I just think hes having a bad year. Youre the one talking like hes Favre 4 years ago.

Hardly been touched?!?! He was getting clobbered out there the first few seasons!!!

And Im sorry, but the way I look at it the measure of a great QB is a championship.

And I'm sorry, but you're wrong!!! I mean, that can be your opinion, but when you try to drop that on discussions as to who is the greatest and people are using much more important stats and records to judge how the QB himself actually played as if it's the factual trump card you're just wrong!!! A championship is not the final decider as to who is a great QB or not when we breakdown who did the most with the position!!! I don't think you're saying he sucks; I don't know how you can rate a guy lower than someone else if he basically trounces the competition in almost every category that matters just because he has fewer rings!!! QB's don't win Super Bowls!!! Teams win Super Bowls!!!

[TripleSkeet]

Hardly been touched?!?! He was getting clobbered out there the first few seasons!!!



And I'm sorry, but you're wrong!!! I mean, that can be your opinion, but when you try to drop that on discussions as to who is the greatest and people are using much more important stats and records to judge how the QB himself actually played as if it's the factual trump card you're just wrong!!! A championship is not the final decider as to who is a great QB or not when we breakdown who did the most with the position!!! I don't think you're saying he sucks; I don't know how you can rate a guy lower than someone else if he basically trounces the competition in almost every category that matters just because he has fewer rings!!! QB's don't win Super Bowls!!! Teams win Super Bowls!!!

Thats your opinion. Stats can be just as meaningless. I see QBs whos team gets destroyed putting up 400 yard games because they have no choice but to throw all day long. I saw Peyton Manning set 2 records in one season, the record for most touchdown passes (Bradys now), and the record for most 1 yard touchdown passes.

Their is only one goal to the game of football. Winning. Thats it. Not getting the most TD's or yards. Its winning. The rest is all secondary.

Would you feel the same way about Manning if he hadnt won that Super Bowl against the Bears? If you did your opinion would be laughed at by anyone that played the game. You cant be the best at something without winning. Thats how you measure greatness.

I just think its funny that youll give the team the credit for the success of Brady and Montana but for Manning you give the credit to him. Did he find some high school team and bring them into the NFL with him when I wasnt watching? The guy has always been surrounded with talented players.

The whole "who is the best ever" is an opinion question. There is no way to factually prove this especially when you compare different eras. Youve given your opinion, Ive given mine. We both have our reasons behind them. Its pointless to keep arguing about it because youre not gonna change my mind, and Im not gonna try and change yours.

[Earlshog]

Hardly been touched?!?! He was getting clobbered out there the first few seasons!!!



And I'm sorry, but you're wrong!!! I mean, that can be your opinion, but when you try to drop that on discussions as to who is the greatest and people are using much more important stats and records to judge how the QB himself actually played as if it's the factual trump card you're just wrong!!! A championship is not the final decider as to who is a great QB or not when we breakdown who did the most with the position!!! I don't think you're saying he sucks; I don't know how you can rate a guy lower than someone else if he basically trounces the competition in almost every category that matters just because he has fewer rings!!! QB's don't win Super Bowls!!! Teams win Super Bowls!!!

I never understood that argument... Using that rational Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, and Brad Johnson are better than Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Warren Moon?

[Snacks]

that couldn't be farther from the truth. in his first 4-5 years he was getting destroyed.

no one remembers his first 6 years in the league. yes he hasnt been hit a lot the past 4 years but hes getting killed again this year. when its all said and done manning will go donw as the greatest qb ever. he has the stat, the ring and the mvps and most important there isnt a qb that has more respect from other players then him through out the league.

championships put you in the conversation. if marino had 1 ring he would have been considered the greatest ever. not question but most people understand that football is the ultimate team sport. montana might have 4 rings but he also had 10 years of the greatest teams ever. defense and offense were insane. same with brady, yes brady never had the best wrs in the league. but he had good ones who were under rated and he always had top 10 defenses when they won the sb and a ball control offense. every one of those SB IMO they should have lost. But their defenses played incredible and their kicker deserved 2 game MVPs at least maybe even all 3.

Sorry I cant see how anyone can say Brady over Manning. Ask any exec ask any fan if they had to pick a QB to start their franchise who would it be. Manning would win that list because he is a beast!

[Barnaby Jones]

Thats your opinion. Stats can be just as meaningless. I see QBs whos team gets destroyed putting up 400 yard games because they have no choice but to throw all day long. I saw Peyton Manning set 2 records in one season, the record for most touchdown passes (Bradys now), and the record for most 1 yard touchdown passes.

Their is only one goal to the game of football. Winning. Thats it. Not getting the most TD's or yards. Its winning. The rest is all secondary.

Would you feel the same way about Manning if he hadnt won that Super Bowl against the Bears? If you did your opinion would be laughed at by anyone that played the game. You cant be the best at something without winning. Thats how you measure greatness.

I just think its funny that youll give the team the credit for the success of Brady and Montana but for Manning you give the credit to him. Did he find some high school team and bring them into the NFL with him when I wasnt watching? The guy has always been surrounded with talented players.

The whole "who is the best ever" is an opinion question. There is no way to factually prove this especially when you compare different eras. Youve given your opinion, Ive given mine. We both have our reasons behind them. Its pointless to keep arguing about it because youre not gonna change my mind, and Im not gonna try and change yours.

Good teams win games all the time!!! Not winning a Super Bowl does not magically negate or cancel out all the games they win!!!! And it's easy to prove who is the best factually...that's why they have stats!!! You're the one who has to make up this nonsense idea that "stats are meaningless" so you can then say it all only comes down to opinion!!! You're trying to make up this nonsense about judging who is better QB coming down to opinion because the actual numbers destroy your opinion!!!

I give Montana and Brady plenty of credit; they're two of the greatest!!! But they had better teams (come on, you're really going to pretend that Montana wasn't on one of the greatest dynasties of all time?!?!?) than Manning has had for most of his career and that's key when evaluating them QB to QB!!! Straight up, Manning is clearly the better QB than Brady right now!!! Look at what they had to work with and look what they accomplished!!! If you're going to sit there and tell me that if you can pick between rookie Manning and rookie Brady knowing what we know about their talents that you'll pick Brady then this debate is over already!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

If you're going to sit there and tell me that if you can pick between rookie Manning and rookie Brady knowing what we know about their talents that you'll pick Brady then this debate is over already!!!

You'd be insane to go with Brady considering what we know. This is like saying Jeter is the best SS of all-time based on his number of rings.

[Barnaby Jones]

TS, level with us: would you pick Brady over Manning?

[weekapaugjz]

I never understood that argument... Using that rational Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, and Brad Johnson are better than Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Warren Moon?

fuck jeff hostetler.

[Earlshog]

fuck jeff hostetler.

Come on you didn't like the stache?

[weekapaugjz]

Come on you didn't like the stache?

while he did rock a sweet stache, i will eternally hate all the members of the super bowl XXV winning new york giants.

[Earlshog]

while he did rock a sweet stache, i will eternally hate all the members of the super bowl XXV winning new york giants.

how could anyone hate steven baker the touchdown maker....

[underdog]

TS, level with us: would you pick Brady over Manning?

I think Brady has done WAY more with less than Manning has, but even as a homer, I know Manning is a much better QB. But I'd also pick Brady over Manning if I were somehow starting an actual team and not a fantasy one. Manning likes to choke quite a bit.

This is definitely Manning's toughest year, though. As all announcers have made abundantly clear, Manning's team has suffered injuries this year, which apparently no other team ever has. He should win the MVP for that.

[sailor]

Obviously, Bradshaw is top 3, right?

[HBox]

Hey guys, Josh McDaniels was fired if anyone cares. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5892528)

[TheGameHHH]

Hey guys, Josh McDaniels was fired if anyone cares. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5892528)

fuck that noise. Brady or Manning? That was the question

[TripleSkeet]

Im just gonna answer the following questions randomly rather then quote everyone...

If I had a team and had a choice I would take Brady over Manning. You really cant go wrong either way. I would give Manning the edge in strength and awareness (reading a defense), rate them equal in accuracy, and give Brady the edge in poise. To me thats a huge part of playing QB. Watch the old NFL films and Montanas former players would tell stories about how when the game was on the line, the whole offense would be nervous and jittery, and he'd walk in the huddle just cool as ice. They would feed off his confidence and they credit HIM for winning those games.

The story of the final drive in the Super Bowl against the Bengals is legendary.

Football is a team game but with possibly the goalie in hockey being the exception there isnt another position in a team sport where one man has so much to do with the team winning or losing. People that have played organized football know this. And they will also tell you that stats are what help you get paid and are nice, but the stat that matters most, especially when judging a QB, is W's.

Stats in football are so easy to inflate. When a QB is on a good team sometimes they dont even play the last 2 games of the season. Yet I never hear them cry about touchdowns or yardage lost. Same with shit teams that always have to throw. Im not saying they are meaningless, but as far as a QB goes, yardage doesnt mean more then winning Super Bowls.

Terry Bradshaw has 4 rings. The difference between him and Montana is Montana had a GOOD defense and run game, while Bradshaw had the best defense in history and a maniacal run game. That being said hes a very underrated QB and should be listed higher then he usually is.

It doesnt mean Trent Dilfer and Mark Rypien were better then Jim Kelly and Warren Moon. You dont have to be the best quarterback to win a Super Bowl, but you cant be considered the best without one also. That was my point.

And also, I dont know how anyone can think this is anything BUT an opinion question. Manning has records, but he doesnt have all of them. Who determines what records hold more weight? Brady has one. Favre has one. Montana has some. There are other qualities in a QB that arent measured in stats. Like scrambling ability such as seen in Vick, McNMabb and Randall. Its an OPINION question.

Shit I googled "The best QB ever" out of curiosity and on the first page of results I saw Montana, Unitas, Marino, Elway, and Manning on 5 seperate pages.

[underdog]

Hey guys, Josh McDaniels was fired if anyone cares. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5892528)

That's just a weird, crazy firing.

[KnoxHarrington]

Unlike the past two weeks, I am rowdy and I am ready...

...really ready...

...I'm ready for some FOOOTBALLLLLLLL!!!!!

Let's get this Monday night party going!

[weekapaugjz]

this might be the first time ever i will be rooting for the patriots.

i just threw up a bit saying that.

[HBox]

Rex Ryan is making really smart decisions so far.

[KnoxHarrington]

Wow, that was some fine play callin' there, Rex. First, you blow a challenge on a spot that might not have given you a first down even if you'd gotten it, which you weren't going to get anyway. Then later you don't go for it on 4th down, and have your shitty kicker try to kick a long FG against really terrible wind.

Nice job.

[KnoxHarrington]

So far in this game I've seen one of the worst FG attempts I've ever seen, now I just saw one of the worst punts I've ever seen.

The Jets are headed for a true asswhipping tonight.

[OGC]

Wow, that was some fine play callin' there, Rex. First, you blow a challenge on a spot that might not have given you a first down even if you'd gotten it, which you weren't going to get anyway. Then later you don't go for it on 4th down, and have your shitty kicker try to kick a long FG against really terrible wind.

Nice job.


actually I think that kick was WITH the wind.

[underdog]

So far in this game I've seen one of the worst FG attempts I've ever seen, now I just saw one of the worst punts I've ever seen.

The Jets are headed for a true asswhipping tonight.

Also, one of the worst challenges I've ever seen.

[OGC]

someone should remind the Jet's DBs that they should try to tackle the ball carrier instead of trying to strip the ball all of the time.

[spoon]

That's just a weird, crazy firing.

Not really. Now someone post the link to Norv's firing....PLEASE!

[spoon]

go for it Rex!

[spoon]

what a vagina :lol:

[OGC]

what a vagina :lol:


this post is useless without a picture.

[Justice4all]

That's just a weird, crazy firing.

At 3-9 and the Spygate II (as they call it) looming....not as crazy as you might think. But 3 coaches let go during a season? I would say that is crazy.

[spoon]

don't forget falling apart at the end of last season and his amazing people skills with the likes of Cutler and Marshall

[spoon]

rex again baby!!

[underdog]

Not really. Now someone post the link to Norv's firing....PLEASE!

At 3-9 and the Spygate II (as they call it) looming....not as crazy as you might think. But 3 coaches let go during a season? I would say that is crazy.

don't forget falling apart at the end of last season and his amazing people skills with the likes of Cutler and Marshall

I think spygate was the last straw, but he's made Brandon Lloyd look like a hall of famer. He definitely has more of a future as an OC.

[underdog]

Wow, the Patriots are killing them tonight.

Although, I'm almost certain that the Pat's defense will start playing like shit in the 3rd quarter and let the Jets get back in the game.

[Sinestro]

J-e-t-s. Jets! Jets! Jets!

[Justice4all]

The Jets better have the 2nd half from hell to come back from this mess.

[underdog]

Jon Gruden just gave Sanchize credit for catching the shotgun well.

Analysts really do grade QBs on a curve.

And to Sanchize's credit, that was a GREAT throw right to the defense.

[Sinestro]

Don't worry, when the JETS defense wakes up, they'll ofcourse give credit to Rex's halftime speech.

[Sinestro]

Touchdown!!!

[Sinestro]

Rex is going to cry at the post game conference.

[underdog]

This is almost embarrassing. Almost.

[OGC]

And to Sanchize's credit, that was a GREAT throw right to the defense.



that one was too

[weekapaugjz]

This is almost embarrassing. Almost.

not even close.