2011-12 NFL Season

[hanso]

Heck of a d those epos have.

Defense wins, just like pitching does.

[spoon]

id love to see the packers-lions game


fuck you and the god damn vikings bears

yah, good thing I didn't put in any of my packers this week or pick up Flynn!

Nelson (bench for Nicks/Bryant?), Finley (bench for Gates) and Flynn (didn't pick up via hunch)


and I'm still winning which would/will get me into the money!

[spoon]

oh and by the way, turner IS in for me and didn't get the call on a td run only to have their rook get the 1/2 yard td run on the next play (no review).

that's my problem with the td/scoring review...you only review IF it is scored a td that can take it off, but not if you DON'T get the call on close plays

It has to be both or NONE to me. Hate the rule change.

[spoon]

now with atlanta up huge early, one would expect him to rest

yet with Detroit losing (wow what a game) I'd play my ass off to face NYY/Dallas over NO!

what a difference your chances are if you don't have to go to NO!

[epo]

Heck of a d those epos have.

15-1.

[cougarjake13]

15-1.


wont matter when new orleans wins 52-49

[cougarjake13]

yah, good thing I didn't put in any of my packers this week or pick up Flynn!

Nelson (bench for Nicks/Bryant?), Finley (bench for Gates) and Flynn (didn't pick up via hunch)


and I'm still winning which would/will get me into the money!



your league is still playing in week 17 ??

most dont for that very reason teams sitting players

[cougarjake13]

now with atlanta up huge early, one would expect him to rest

yet with Detroit losing (wow what a game) I'd play my ass off to face NYY/Dallas over NO!

what a difference your chances are if you don't have to go to NO!



absolutely cause atlanta or detriot will kill whoever wins tonights game

[Tenbatsuzen]

He smashed a drink glass on a chicks face I think.

And the classy Jets took him.

The suspension was for marijuana.

The incident which you speak of was never prosecuted and it was a baseless lawsuit.

Not that I'm defending Holmes, he's an asshole, I just like correcting you because you're an idiot.

Ironically, the pick that was used in the Holmes deal turned into John Skelton.

[epo]

absolutely cause atlanta or detriot will kill whoever wins tonights game

Detroit would not beat the Giants in NY. However Atlanta will probably be the favorite against either.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Speaking of which, I need to change my sig pic.

Here's what happens, or at least hope that happens: Schotty is fired, Norv becomes the Jets OC, Sanchez gets one last chance in a better system (maybe) and we go from there.

Holmes is done. However, I wouldn't mind Plax at a value re-sign next year if possible.

[epo]

wont matter when new orleans wins 52-49

If they meet in the NFC Championship game then we'll see.

[cougarjake13]

Detroit would not beat the Giants in NY. However Atlanta will probably be the favorite against either.



i was thinking that also , thinking that the better match up would be detriot for the giants due to the lack of playoff experience but after today that offense vs the giants D is just scary


is all mute now as lions couldnt hold on and the falcs are up 35-0

[cougarjake13]

If they meet in the NFC Championship game then we'll see.



thats the only spot they can meet

[cougarjake13]

Speaking of which, I need to change my sig pic.

Here's what happens, or at least hope that happens: Schotty is fired, Norv becomes the Jets OC, Sanchez gets one last chance in a better system (maybe) and we go from there.

Holmes is done. However, I wouldn't mind Plax at a value re-sign next year if possible.



ive been hearing schotts is out but that callahan is gonna take over

[Tenbatsuzen]

ive been hearing schotts is out but that callahan is gonna take over

Depends. Norv will be a hot property as an OC candidate if he gets fired. But considering the Jets had so many holes and were 10mm under the salary cap, Woody Johnson might be going on the cheap.

Norv will be available but he won't be cheap, IMHO.

[spoon]

your league is still playing in week 17 ??

most dont for that very reason teams sitting players

yah, no playoff format as every game/move/player matters in terms of placement, $ and bragging rights

it's been a fun way to play it too

everyone is in the same boat and weeks 16-17 are always crazy

it's like a redraft for some

[epo]

thats the only spot they can meet

Yes. Predicting wins at this point is kind of useless. I will say that as a Packer fan, I'm happy to see New Orleans as a #3 seed and not the #2 seed. That extra game and bye week are big advantages.

[cougarjake13]

yah, no playoff format as every game/move/player matters in terms of placement, $ and bragging rights

it's been a fun way to play it too

everyone is in the same boat and weeks 16-17 are always crazy

it's like a redraft for some



so its straight up wins and losses through week 17 to determine winner ?

[cougarjake13]

Yes. Predicting wins at this point is kind of useless. I will say that as a Packer fan, I'm happy to see New Orleans as a #3 seed and not the #2 seed. That extra game and bye week are big advantages.



i know i was just thinking out loud that they could only meet in nfc champ game

[spoon]

Depends. Norv will be a hot property as an OC candidate if he gets fired. But considering the Jets had so many holes and were 10mm under the salary cap, Woody Johnson might be going on the cheap.

Norv will be available but he won't be cheap, IMHO.

he's a good OC and guy, but I really think he needs some time off tbh

money talks, but there is also a rumor he'll follow AJ possibly to be the next step in St. Louis with the young Bradford as a HC (I'm sure OC is on the table too, but AJ loves him some controllable Norv)

for a team looking to get to respectable/.500 range, not a terrible move

yet I think OC in a year or two is better

[spoon]

so its straight up wins and losses through week 17 to determine winner ?

yah in this one, it's my fav league too

hate the playoff formats of my other leagues usually

[sailor]

Bucs are really locking up today.

[spoon]

Bucs are really locking up today.

raiders too

talk about shitting to bed for tebow!

[cougarjake13]

yah in this one, it's my fav league too

hate the playoff formats of my other leagues usually



i agree

in my money league i had best record and first round bye
lost my playoff matchup 149-146 but won the 3rd place game

[spoon]

this way the clear best team/FF player usually wins the year

not some lucky playoff slip in as usually happens bc it's not like real football so that format perplexes me honestly

[Tenbatsuzen]

Bucs are really locking up today.

"Let's do it for Fez!"

[spoon]

Tebow now 4/14 and in HE'S the reason they win right!?

fuck you

how did the AFC West let this happen!? Fuck you too Norv, AJ and Spanos!


talk about a weak division composed of complete shit

[HBox]

Is it just me or does Nance sound like he's rooting for Tebow?

[KnoxHarrington]

Tebow now 4/14 and in HE'S the reason they win right!?

fuck you

how did the AFC West let this happen!? Fuck you too Norv, AJ and Spanos!


talk about a weak division composed of complete shit

The Broncos will back their way into the playoffs, sportwriters will suck Tebow's cock for a solid week, and they'll lose 49-3.

[epo]

Is it just me or does Nance sound like he's rooting for Tebow?

I'm sure this freakshow is good for ratings.

[sailor]

Wow, how do you start from the 1 after a kick-off? I'm guessing he muffed it.

[HBox]

I'm sure this freakshow is good for ratings.

This is one of the most atrocious games I've ever seen. Tebow's accuracy is way off tonight even by his awful standards.

Looks like the refs really want to keep this going. That was an incredibly lame penalty.

[HBox]

Jeez Nance. Just come out and beg for a flag. Be honest about it.

[epo]

I'm so cheering for the Raiders.

I can't believe I just said that.

[HBox]

If the Broncos back their way into the playoffs I say it's Brady Quinn time.

[HBox]

I'm so cheering for the Raiders.

I can't believe I just said that.

I'm not. I want to see the Steelers crush Tebow so badly that there will be no doubt to anyone that Tebow has no business being a QB.

[sailor]

Wow, that was a quick drive. Worst finishing team in the league.

[sailor]

I'm so cheering for the Raiders.

I can't believe I just said that.

They're lovable losers.

[Kevin]

Thanks Spoon, Christ is every team you root for good for nothing.

I think Norv is do another extension, Jesus now owes him one.

[KnoxHarrington]

I cannot stop laughing over the Broncos making the playoffs.

[JimBeam]

Is it just me or does Nance sound like he's rooting for Tebow?

I heard him on some show a few weeks ago, maybe Boomer & Carton, and he seemed to be saying that he thought everybody, including Boomer, wanted to see Tebow fail.

So I think maybe he's trying to balance that thought by going the other way.

[epo]

I cannot stop laughing over the Broncos making the playoffs.

I'm concerned for the baby Tebow's safety. Being on the field with H
James Harrison won't be good for his health.

[Kevin]

I'm concerned for the baby Tebow's safety. Being on the field with H
James Harrison won't be good for his health.

How much would he get fined for a colt MaCoy type hit?

[HBox]

How much would he get fined for a colt MaCoy type hit?

Goodell would have his immortal soul.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm not much of a lip-reader, but seeing that hippie-haired douche Rob Ryan saying "What the fuck guys?" after that big run was hilarious.

[RingWraith]

I'm not much of a lip-reader, but seeing that hippie-haired douche Rob Ryan saying "What the fuck guys?" after that big run was hilarious.

hah! I didn't notice that.

[Kevin]

Getting hurdled by two fat white guys in 1 game is inexcusable.

[RingWraith]

Getting hurdled by two fat white guys in 1 game........ priceless!.

fixed!

[Kevin]

Both these teams belong nowhere near the playoffs

[Kevin]

The fact that Victor Cruz isn't a pro bowler shows how meaniless the process is.

[Crash]

The fact that Victor Cruz isn't a pro bowler shows how meaniless the process is.

Collinsworth just blamed that drop on Romo. That was Jones. Touch the ball, better catch the ball son.

[Kevin]

Collinsworth just blamed that drop on Romo. That was Jones. Touch the ball, better catch the ball son.

Yea, Collinsworth is stupid

[Kevin]

Where is Disney disappearing when his team is down, fraud?

[Kevin]

2 big mouth fat bastard Ryan's.

2 FAILS!

[Kevin]

BTW Snacks how does Eli stack up vs Romo and Future stats now?

[Tenbatsuzen]

2 big mouth fat bastard Ryan's.

2 FAILS!

I'd like to know where EXACTLY Rob Ryan opened his mouth like Rex did. Yeah, he talked a few times, but nowhere nearly like Rex.

Kill Rex all you want, but all the camera time that Rob gets is clearly a media manipulation because they want another version of Rex.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Seriously, I think Rob Ryan gets more camera time than the actual HEAD COACH of the team.

Usually if there's a defensive failure or success, the cameras will go to the HC first, and then possibly the DC for a second shot. They ALWAYS go to Ryan. ALWAYS.

[epo]

The fact that Victor Cruz isn't a pro bowler shows how meaniless the process is.

Which Pro Bowler should Cruz have gotten selected over?

[Tenbatsuzen]

The fact that Victor Cruz isn't a pro bowler shows how meaniless the process is.

The Salsa Kid is clearly not a hall of famer.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Which Pro Bowler should Cruz have gotten selected over?

Aaron Rodgers. After today. he's clearly a fluke.

[Judge Smails]

I'm a huge Giants fan but I just got an email from them and they can blow me if they think I'm ordering 2011 NFC East Champions gear. Maybe that shit flies in the sticks, or Dallas, but unless it says Super Bowl Champions I aint buying jack shit.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm a huge Giants fan but I just got an email from them and they can blow me if they think I'm ordering 2011 NFC East Champions gear. Maybe that shit flies in the sticks, or Dallas, but unless it says Super Bowl Champions I aint buying jack shit.

Agree. I don't understand why people burn money on shit like that. I know it's marketing, but still... are you ever going to wear a dated hat like that if they don't win anything past that?

[Tenbatsuzen]

https://p.twimg.com/AiIIKdJCEAAbnlE.jpg:large

Just because.

[Kevin]

Which Pro Bowler should Cruz have gotten selected over?

Your boy Jennings for one..

I know Jennings stats take a hit because of his injury, but durability is part of the game.

[Kevin]

Aaron Rodgers. After today. he's clearly a fluke.

He should be ashamed of himself.

He couldn't do something with the same team that Matt Flynn did.

Discount double trash.

[Kevin]

I'd like to know where EXACTLY Rob Ryan opened his mouth like Rex did. Yeah, he talked a few times, but nowhere nearly like Rex.

Kill Rex all you want, but all the camera time that Rob gets is clearly a media manipulation because they want another version of Rex.

IRVING, Texas — The family of Cowboys defensive coordinator Rob Ryan is already in New York to do some sightseeing before the team’s NFC East showdown game with the Giants.

Ryan left no doubt the biggest sight to see will be Sunday night at MetLife Stadium.

“I want them to be there when we win the East, and I’ll probably steal a couple of [championship] T-shirts and make sure they get them because that’s what we’re there for,” Ryan said yesterday at the Cowboys’ practice facility.

[Tenbatsuzen]

IRVING, Texas — The family of Cowboys defensive coordinator Rob Ryan is already in New York to do some sightseeing before the team’s NFC East showdown game with the Giants.

Ryan left no doubt the biggest sight to see will be Sunday night at MetLife Stadium.

“I want them to be there when we win the East, and I’ll probably steal a couple of [championship] T-shirts and make sure they get them because that’s what we’re there for,” Ryan said yesterday at the Cowboys’ practice facility.

Fair, but he's not shooting off predicting winning super bowls. And again, media manipulation - a quote from the Defensive Coordinator is the fucking lead of the article.

[Kevin]

Fair, but he's not shooting off predicting winning super bowls. And again, media manipulation - a quote from the Defensive Coordinator is the fucking lead of the article.

I agree, I understand you thinking you will win, but keep it to yourself, esp when you have a flawed team.

[Fallon]

Single season TE yards & TD record holder!

GRONK!

http://tucsoncitizen.com/bear-down-and-blog/files/2011/10/Gronk-and-Girl.jpg

[Kevin]

Single season TE yards & TD record holder!

GRONK!

http://tucsoncitizen.com/bear-down-and-blog/files/2011/10/Gronk-and-Girl.jpg

Come on they are just good friends....

[cougarjake13]

so what did graham have the record for like 10 minutes or sumting ?

[KnoxHarrington]

The New York Jets: total clusterfuck of a team, bottom to top:

New York Jets wide receiver Santonio Holmes "quit" on the team during the final two minutes of a season-ending loss to the Miami Dolphins on Sunday, a team source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

"There were guys in the huddle not happy with Santonio's demeanor throughout the game and in the two-minute drill," said Jets running back LaDainian Tomlinson. "And they said something to him about it."

The Jets captain was yanked as his team tried to rally in the fourth quarter Sunday and avoid elimination from the playoff race. To compound the soap opera, coach Rex Ryan said he thought Holmes took himself out.

The Jets lost 19-17 to the Miami Dolphins. Following the spat with teammates, Holmes was replaced by Patrick Turner.

"It was a coach's call," Holmes said. "Patrick came in and tapped me on the shoulder and told me to come out."

The decision to bench Holmes was made by offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, a team source told ESPNNewYork.com's Rich Cimini. Turner was sent in by wide receivers coach Henry Ellard.

"I looked out there and I was wondering why he wasn't out there myself," Ryan said. "No, I didn't bench Santonio. ... Somebody told me he was on the bench."

Ryan said he didn't want to comment further until he knows the particulars.

The team source told Schefter that Jets offensive tackle Wayne Hunter got into a shouting match with Holmes after the wide receiver said something the players resented in the huddle.

"It was definitely boiling" in the huddle, Tomlinson said. "Guys had had enough of it at that point."

According to Tomlinson, players said to Holmes, "C'mon, we still have a chance."

The Holmes blowup actually had been building. On the previous series, a veteran player sensed that Holmes wasn't into the game and told him to "go home," the team source told Cimini.

The same source said, "It's been boiling over all season."


So, apparently, the team's captain has been a whiny bitch all season, and this fatass joke of a head coach didn't have a clue.

Total piece of shit franchise, on and off the field.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7411183/source-captain-santonio-holmes-quit-new-york-jets-loss

[Kevin]

The New York Jets: total clusterfuck of a team, bottom to top:



So, apparently, the team's captain has been a whiny bitch all season, and this fatass joke of a head coach didn't have a clue.

Total piece of shit franchise, on and off the field.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7411183/source-captain-santonio-holmes-quit-new-york-jets-loss

They are still winning the Superbowl next year though.

This team should stop thinking about ticket sales and who owns the town.

You own NY by winning titles. Not going to conference title games.

You don't take a guy that a franchise like the Steelers gave away in his prime, no matter how much ability he has.

It is going to always backfire.

You know they did the Sanchez move because he is Hispanic and good looking.

No way he was top 5 worthy, even if you were sitting there at 5, let alone trade for him.

Stop with the headline grabbing moves and concentrate on getting players that fit your team and can win.

And you know they got Plax because of the Giants connection.

Sure he has ability but you know that was a big reason.

This Franchise is a mess top to bottom.

[Dude!]

You know they did the Sanchez move because he is good looking.

fag

[Earlshog]

https://p.twimg.com/AiIIKdJCEAAbnlE.jpg:large

Just because.

love it!

[underdog]

Spagnuolo fired.

Raheem Morris fired.

And so it begins.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You don't take a guy that a franchise like the Steelers gave away in his prime, no matter how much ability he has.

It is going to always backfire.



You do realize that the Steelers also let Plaxico walk too? And he was a head case when he was on the Giants but still caught a super bowl winning pass. I am not defending Santonio, but your logic is super-flawed.



You know they did the Sanchez move because he is Hispanic and good looking.

No way he was top 5 worthy, even if you were sitting there at 5, let alone trade for him.



Although you've said some pretty dumb things, this takes the cake. The main reason the Jets took Sanchez is because he's good looking? REALLY?

The Jets needed a QB. Favre and Pennington were gone and the only solution was Kellen Clemens. In the 2009 draft, Stafford was the first QB picked. Sanchez was the second. Josh Freeman was the third. Do you know who the next QB was to go?

PAT WHITE. Followed by MIKE TEEL.

So please don't act like that Jets tried to do some sort of marketing thing with Sanchez. They were picking late, they had a hole they needed to fill, and made a move. The 2009 draft wasn't huge on QBs.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Spagnuolo fired.

Raheem Morris fired.

And so it begins.

Raheem had no business being a NFL HC right now anyway.

[Kevin]

You do realize that the Steelers also let Plaxico walk too? And he was a head case when he was on the Giants but still caught a super bowl winning pass. I am not defending Santonio, but your logic is super-flawed.



Although you've said some pretty dumb things, this takes the cake. The main reason the Jets took Sanchez is because he's good looking? REALLY?

The Jets needed a QB. Favre and Pennington were gone and the only solution was Kellen Clemens. In the 2009 draft, Stafford was the first QB picked. Sanchez was the second. Josh Freeman was the third. Do you know who the next QB was to go?

PAT WHITE. Followed by MIKE TEEL.

So please don't act like that Jets tried to do some sort of marketing thing with Sanchez. They were picking late, they had a hole they needed to fill, and made a move. The 2009 draft wasn't huge on QBs.


You forget Josh Freeman who went with your original pick

[Kevin]

Plax until the shooting was never suspended by the league. His issue was he was lazy.

Not the same.

Typical Jet we do no wrong mentality

[Tenbatsuzen]

You forget Josh Freeman who went with your original pick

One, re-read my post.

Two, Freeman has had nowhere near the success Sanchez has had.

Three, if the Jets picked Freeman, would you be like, "OH, the Jets drafted him because he's good looking and black!"

[Tenbatsuzen]

Place until the shooting was never suspended by the league. His issue was he was lazy.

Not the same

Steelers made no attempt to re-sign him when he was a FA and if you read the stories about the Giants trying to meet with him, it was obvious he was a head case.

And are you seriously trying to say that a lazy player is better than a player who smokes weed?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Single season TE yards & TD record holder!

GRONK!

http://tucsoncitizen.com/bear-down-and-blog/files/2011/10/Gronk-and-Girl.jpg

If fucking a porn star makes you a better player, someone set up Sanchez on a date with Jenna Presley STAT.

[Kevin]

Steelers made no attempt to re-sign him when he was a FA and if you read the stories about the Giants trying to meet with him, it was obvious he was a head case.

And are you seriously trying to say that a lazy player is better than a player who smokes weed?

He also got in trouble in night clubs.

[Kevin]

And Place at his best was never as good as Holmes and nor was he a SB MVP.

Try again

[Tenbatsuzen]

And Place at his best was never as good as Holmes and nor was he a SB MVP.

Try again

Santonio, previous four seasons in PIT before going to the Jets: 3835 yards rec, 20 TDs

Plax, previous four seasons in PIT before signing with the Giants: 3891 yards rec, 22 TDs.

[Tenbatsuzen]

He also got in trouble in night clubs.

Again, are you trying to say that Santonio's trouble in night clubs is worse than Plax's trouble in night clubs?

Santonio's incident was a lawsuit that was never prosecuted. PLAX WENT TO JAIL. Do you think Plax's problems just magically started that night?

[Kevin]

Different players and again

SB MVP

[johnny2x]

yuck....the season summed up.

And I hate all the "Dream Team" talk, ONE GUY said that in passing and all of the sudden the eagles are accused of calling themselves that. It was one OVERPAID shitty backup that coined the phrase in relation to the eagles.

I am sure all the eagles haters are happy

see ya next year

www.HOWSYOURROBOT.com (http://www.howsyourrobot.com)

[Kevin]

Again, are you trying to say that Santonio's trouble in night clubs is worse than Plax's trouble in night clubs?

Santonio's incident was a lawsuit that was never prosecuted. PLAX WENT TO JAIL. Do you think Plax's problems just magically started that night?

Again read.

I was talking BEFORE they were aquired.

And plax at the time in the trade market gets you alot more than a 5

[hanso]

Which Pro Bowler should Cruz have gotten selected over?

Did he drop as many TD balls as Marshall?

[epo]

Your boy Jennings for one..

I know Jennings stats take a hit because of his injury, but durability is part of the game.

Take their stats when the voting happened then compare them. Now consider that Jennings is the #1 WR on the top team in the league.

Your crying about Cruz is nothing more than fanboy bullshit.

[epo]

If fucking a porn star makes you a better player, someone set up Sanchez on a date with Jenna Presley STAT.

Not even the universe's greatest porn star could make Sanchez a good QB.

[hanso]

You do realize that the Steelers also let Plaxico walk too? And he was a head case when he was on the Giants but still caught a super bowl winning pass. I am not defending Santonio, but your logic is super-flawed.



Although you've said some pretty dumb things, this takes the cake. The main reason the Jets took Sanchez is because he's good looking? REALLY?

The Jets needed a QB. Favre and Pennington were gone and the only solution was Kellen Clemens. In the 2009 draft, Stafford was the first QB picked. Sanchez was the second. Josh Freeman was the third. Do you know who the next QB was to go?

PAT WHITE. Followed by MIKE TEEL.

So please don't act like that Jets tried to do some sort of marketing thing with Sanchez. They were picking late, they had a hole they needed to fill, and made a move. The 2009 draft wasn't huge on QBs.

I will, they should have let him call that play in the huddle the last drive.

[cougarjake13]

yuck....the season summed up.

And I hate all the "Dream Team" talk, ONE GUY said that in passing and all of the sudden the eagles are accused of calling themselves that. It was one OVERPAID shitty backup that coined the phrase in relation to the eagles.

I am sure all the eagles haters are happy

see ya next year

www.HOWSYOURROBOT.com (http://www.howsyourrobot.com)


I remember v young saying it first but quite a few eagles backed him up

[cougarjake13]

love it!


This jerry jones double face palm should replace capt pickards single face palm

[hanso]

Rex Ryan news conference right now.


"We know we're better than you, we're average."
OK I made this part up.

[Kevin]

Take their stats when the voting happened then compare them. Now consider that Jennings is the #1 WR on the top team in the league.

Your crying about Cruz is nothing more than fanboy bullshit.

5 65 or more yard TD passes.

He has been a better WR, sorry Dr. Wisconsin but you are wrong.

And Jennings actually has WRs that can catch on his team.

The #1 Wr on the top team in the league comment is laughable.

That's a deternt. It just means he has more around him.

Less double teams.

Is Jennings better? sure, but Cruz had a better year, and you can't future stats me because its a garbage argument.

[Kevin]

And as much as I love Eli.

He isn't Rodgers so Jennings has a world class TE very good WR and a World class QB.

Again Sorry Homer Simpson, you have your cheese colored glasses on again.

[epo]

5 65 or more yard TD passes.

He has been a better WR, sorry Dr. Wisconsin but you are wrong.

And Jennings actually has WRs that can catch on his team.

The #1 Wr on the top team in the league comment is laughable.

That's a deternt. It just means he has more around him.

Less double teams.

Is Jennings better? sure, but Cruz had a better year, and you can't future stats me because its a garbage argument.

Don't worry Fanboy, once players drop out of the Pro Bowl, Victor Cruz will have chances to get picked into the club.

[Snacks]

5 65 or more yard TD passes.

He has been a better WR, sorry Dr. Wisconsin but you are wrong.

And Jennings actually has WRs that can catch on his team.

The #1 Wr on the top team in the league comment is laughable.

That's a deternt. It just means he has more around him.

Less double teams.

Is Jennings better? sure, but Cruz had a better year, and you can't future stats me because its a garbage argument.

There is no argument about this. Cruz had a top 3 wr year, only Calvin Johnson and Welker had better years. Nelson was right there but didnt have the receptions and if you were to throw in TEs then you could say Gronkowski had the best year of all of them. You could also say Grahm from New Orleans as well.

[epo]

And as much as I love Eli.

He isn't Rodgers so Jennings has a world class TE very good WR and a World class QB.

Again Sorry Homer Simpson, you have your cheese colored glasses on again.

Here's the other thing Fanboy, players don't normally get picked their first good year. Lets remember the convoluted system which picks the Pro Bowl isn't perfect.

Bitching about it is a complete waste of time.

[KnoxHarrington]

Bill and Chris Polian...FIRED!

The Indianapolis Colts have fired both vice chairman Bill Polian and his son, general manager Chris Polian, on Monday, SI.com's Don Banks confirmed through a source close to the situation.
Bill Polian was hired by the Colts following a 3-13 season in 1997. Shortly after, the team drafted Peyton Manning first overall in the 1998 NFL Draft, a decision that helped set Indianapolis up as one of the most consistent, successful teams of the 2000s.
Under Polian, the Manning-led Colts went 141-67, with 11 seasons of 10-plus wins, from '98 through 2010. That regular season success led to 11 playoff berths, two Super Bowl appearances and a victory in Super Bowl XLI over the Bears.
But with Manning missing the 2011 season after a series of neck surgeries, the Colts got off to an 0-13 start before finishing 2-14, earning the No. 1 overall pick in the 2012 draft.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/01/02/colts.fire.polians/index.html#ixzz1iLbDcfDv

It's obvious that they had no plan for what to do if Peyton Manning wasn't around, and I do agree they need someone else in there to start planning for the post-Peyton era. Losing a quarterback is a devastating blow to a team, but they really shouldn't have totally gone down the shitter like they did.

[Kevin]

Here's the other thing Fanboy, players don't normally get picked their first good year. Lets remember the convoluted system which picks the Pro Bowl isn't perfect.

Bitching about it is a complete waste of time.

Fan boy seriously?

Pot calling the kettle charred burned and then set into an inferno for good measure.

[Kevin]

There is no argument about this. Cruz had a top 3 wr year, only Calvin Johnson and Welker had better years. Nelson was right there but didnt have the receptions and if you were to throw in TEs then you could say Gronkowski had the best year of all of them. You could also say Grahm from New Orleans as well.

No arguing on ANYTHING that has anything from Wisconsin with epo.

He is a cool dude, but he is clearly a homer.

[hanso]

Bill and Chris Polian...FIRED!



It's obvious that they had no plan for what to do if Peyton Manning wasn't around, and I do agree they need someone else in there to start planning for the post-Peyton era. Losing a quarterback is a devastating blow to a team, but they really shouldn't have totally gone down the shitter like they did.

Could have been a pro Peyton/Luck thing from them and owner.

[epo]

Fan boy seriously?

Pot calling the kettle charred burned and then set into an inferno for good measure.

Bitching about Pro Bowl selections is the epitome of Fanboy activity.

[HBox]

Signs improving for Smith and Turner (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/signs-improving-for-norv-turner-and-a-j-smith/)

Does there come a point where you just give up on the franchise, Spoon?

[KnoxHarrington]

Bitching about Pro Bowl selections is the epitome of Fanboy activity.

Caring about All-Star games in general is lame enough, but giving a shit about the Pro Bowl, by far the most worthless of them all, is especially bad.

They should kill that damn thing off entirely.

[Kevin]

Bitching about Pro Bowl selections is the epitome of Fanboy activity.

After long thought and coming to my senses....

You have a valid point...

He still had a better year than Jennings though..

[hanso]

Bitching about Pro Bowl selections is the epitome of Fanboy activity.

But the example I gave was from my own team.

[Snoogans]

i still dont understand how sanchez didnt make the pro bowl. He was the fuckin MVP for what, 10 different teams this year?

[Snacks]

i still dont understand how sanchez didnt make the pro bowl. He was the fuckin MVP for what, 10 different teams this year?

Sanchez is so bad and the jets are so hated that he finished 10th overall QB in 1 of my fantasy leagues and wasnt owned after being cut week 5. I think he finished top 25 in points overall of all players in most fantasy leagues. Snoogs in the league I was in with you he finished 10th for all QBs and 16th overall, unless Im missing something, how could this be?

[Snoogans]

Sanchez is so bad and the jets are so hated that he finished 10th overall QB in 1 of my fantasy leagues and wasnt owned after being cut week 5. I think he finished top 25 in points overall of all players in most fantasy leagues. Snoogs in the league I was in with you he finished 10th for all QBs and 16th overall, unless Im missing something, how could this be?

maybe the jets were behind more this year than past years, so they were throwing alot. I do my best to avoid watching them, so i dont really know.

[cougarjake13]

3474 tds and 26 tds will give u a lot of fantasy points
Also had 6 rushing tds

[spoon]

You do realize that the Steelers also let Plaxico walk too? And he was a head case when he was on the Giants but still caught a super bowl winning pass. I am not defending Santonio, but your logic is super-flawed.




The logic isn't "super-flawed", he's just being somewhat of a hypocrite. And you have defended Holmes since day fucking one, why stop now? Many here said this would happen, as soon as you picked him up from Pitt, me being one of the loudest. While you might not be defending Holmes RIGHT NOW, you surely are indirectly defended the Jets with this tact.

Dumb move long term, especially since they just resigned him to that contract. If anything, he's your classic troubled skill position guy with tons of talent but lacking in all the intangibles. The fact that NY not only lined him up with the big contract last year but added him as a team captain perplexed me in a huge way. If anything, these type players wear out there welcome in most places after a few years and lt contracts and leadership positions should never be in the picture. However, the Jets often see only the talent part of a guy versus his intangibles and leadership...even looking past severe character issues for cheap talent acquisitions. You just know Rex saw this issue, he's not THAT stupid, and he went the worst route to motivate/control him, give him a leadership/bigger role and it rightfully backfired in a big way.

On a similar note, I LOVE the way Chan Gailey handled his oft troubled wr Stevie Johnson after he hurt his team again with end zone antics early in the game...he didn't play another down as he was warned. His team was hurt and they aren't happy with him about it. Selfish shit, yet not nearly as bad as the crapy Holmes has pulled over time, but still handled so much better. Hell, Edwards sat a fucking play/series for getting a DUI with the Jets....ooooooo. Way to set those standards Rex! Now you reap the rewards, "player's coach"!

[spoon]

Signs improving for Smith and Turner (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/signs-improving-for-norv-turner-and-a-j-smith/)

Does there come a point where you just give up on the franchise, Spoon?

Get extremely frustrated sure, but it's still my team and alway has been. The fucking Spanos family are so cheap I bet this is solely a setup to see how the fans react in an effort to keep both bc they have years each (2 & 3 I believe) on their contracts. I'm serious, they probably don't want to pay for them and a new team, but then again, why the fuck give them extensions like Norv long after he should have been gone.

[spoon]

Caring about All-Star games in general is lame enough, but giving a shit about the Pro Bowl, by far the most worthless of them all, is especially bad.

They should kill that damn thing off entirely.

of course the games are both complete crap, but the symbolic nature of getting the nod and what it means/should mean is more important

[PapaBear]

of course the games are both complete crap, but the symbolic nature of getting the nod and what it means/should mean is more important
In college they have "All Americans". Is there an actual All American Bowl or something? If there isn't, that's what the NFL should do.

[spoon]

No game for that, but man I miss me some blue-gray game!

ha!

CIVIL WAR themed fball game baby!

[Kevin]

How was the classic Spoon.

I think this is probably the best one since they started it.

Comeback, close game, plus game ending pen shot.

Was the crowed Rocking.

And did i hear a Yankees suck chant in a hockey game?!

[spoon]

How was the classic Spoon.

I think this is probably the best one since they started it.

Comeback, close game, plus game ending pen shot.

Was the crowed Rocking.

And did i hear a Yankees suck chant in a hockey game?!

nah, always rangers suck from where I was...often to drown out some ranger fans trying to start a "let's go rangers" chant

oh and HUGE fight in the left field seats bc of the anger bt the fans, beers and fists flying like mad

it was awesome that philly didn't let me down

at least 15 people in zips sent down to the cit bank field jail!

[Snacks]

I watched the stan vs ok st bowl game and then watched sportscenter highlights. I understand some people want to hate on Luck because of the hype surrounding him similar to why some hate Tebow. But sorry Luck deserves his hype for his play and is a fucking beast. Watching him play out there is this bowl game vs watching rg3 isnt even close. RG3 is a nice athlete but he is in no way the qb that Luck is. I hope Indy makes the mistake and trades away their pick (to miami please) because Luck is the closest I have seen to an NFL ready QB ever. That doesnt mean he wont fail because you never know how they will do but I cant see it and Im usually a skeptic and hate over hyped players coming from college to the NFL. He throws a perfect pass, has incredible reads, moves perfectly in the pocket, avoids defensive rushes better then even some mobile qbs, can run if needed, is a great athlete and checks off til he finds an open guy and never stairs down the main target. This guy is special and I hope he does succeed where ever he goes (except if the Jets some how got him but I doubt they are trading up for the #1 overall)

[spoon]

still never saw much of him

[underdog]

Snacks, thoughts :

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Jeff Fisher interviewing with the Dolphins today. Arrived in a helicopter with Dolphins owner Stephen Ross.

Also, Bears GM has been fired.

[sailor]

Yeah, it's his fault their qb got hurt.

[cougarjake13]

I'm thinking Angelo got fired only cause Polians did and they'll be coming in

[ozzie]

I watched the stan vs ok st bowl game and then watched sportscenter highlights. I understand some people want to hate on Luck because of the hype surrounding him similar to why some hate Tebow. But sorry Luck deserves his hype for his play and is a fucking beast. Watching him play out there is this bowl game vs watching rg3 isnt even close. RG3 is a nice athlete but he is in no way the qb that Luck is. I hope Indy makes the mistake and trades away their pick (to miami please) because Luck is the closest I have seen to an NFL ready QB ever. That doesnt mean he wont fail because you never know how they will do but I cant see it and Im usually a skeptic and hate over hyped players coming from college to the NFL. He throws a perfect pass, has incredible reads, moves perfectly in the pocket, avoids defensive rushes better then even some mobile qbs, can run if needed, is a great athlete and checks off til he finds an open guy and never stairs down the main target. This guy is special and I hope he does succeed where ever he goes (except if the Jets some how got him but I doubt they are trading up for the #1 overall)

Not a knock on RGIII, but I agree with most everything you said.

I've tried to find fault in Luck's play, but the shit keeps working for him. There were passes last night that seemed to hang in the air for an impossibly long time, but he only had the one pick, and only 4 incompletions. That last drive in regulation was pretty damn impressive.

By the end, I found myself realizing that the fucker just throws very "catchable" balls to his Stanford receivers, and has a nice touch. He used his arm strength when needed, but doesn't force many passes.

After watching AU QB's repeatedly throwing short passes through their receiver's hands, and banging them off of facemasks this year, I've developed a newfound appreciation for a QB's touch, and that's exactly what Luck was doing all night.

He ended up going 23 - 24 on passes when he was able to stay in the pocket. Sure, there were a lot of short passes, but there'll be a calling for short passes in the NFL too. And having better receivers means he can put more on some of those throws.

Has he benefitted from a pretty damn good OLine? Absolutely. I agree with what someone else said about it being a MYTH that he's doing all this without any talent around him. Maybe not the top tier at the skill positions, but that line is pretty stout.

But even with that, his footwork in the pocket was pretty damn flawless, and he just seems to have an instinct about where to move, when to take off, and when to release the ball.

Oh, and he was 4 - 7 when outside the pocket... still, not bad. Only 4 total misses on the night. He ended up avg 11.2 yds/att. Yeah, a lot of YAC went into that, but they took their shots deep when the opportunity presented itself.

As much as I was rooting for OkState to expose another overrated Pac-12 team, I ended up kinda rooting for the kid at the end. (Cue the "Rocky 4" speech)

It'll be interesting to see who the Colts hire, and what transpires between now and draft day, but it's going to be tough to pass on this kid.

[ozzie]

Yeah, it's his fault their qb got hurt.

Maybe not, but the decision to play out the season with the scrubs they had behind Cutler has to fall on someone.

Especially when you compare what the Bears did to how the Texans handled their own QB adversity.

[TripleSkeet]

nah, always rangers suck from where I was...often to drown out some ranger fans trying to start a "let's go rangers" chant

oh and HUGE fight in the left field seats bc of the anger bt the fans, beers and fists flying like mad

it was awesome that philly didn't let me down

at least 15 people in zips sent down to the cit bank field jail!

You went to the game? Lucky fucker. I didnt klnow you were in town. You from here?

[cougarjake13]

Maybe not, but the decision to play out the season with the scrubs they had behind Cutler has to fall on someone.

Especially when you compare what the Bears did to how the Texans handled their own QB adversity.



Well they tried for orton but kc grabbed him first and I'm sure they thought hanie was their tj Yates
They just didn't go out and get Garcia or delhomme outta retirement they got mccown

[Snacks]

Snacks, thoughts :



Also, Bears GM has been fired.

I read this last night. The online report said that Miami was interviewing him first but that he wanted or is going to sign with the STL Rams unless he is completely wooed by Miami or something like that. Fischer is a great coach similar to Cowher but they are def minded coaches in an offensive league. I would be happy to get either of them but prefer Gruden if we were to go with any of the 4 big names out there (4th name being Dungy and I would take Sporano back over him). The fact that Miami is interviewing any coaches before firing the GM is proof that they will not be firing him which sucks. Any new GM would want to hire his own guy so hiring someone now means Ireland will be back and his personal decisions via the draft and free agency and his coaching choices has mainly been the biggest problems. He doesnt know how to evaluate talent and seems to love to pick up former Dallas cowboys who get cut and then makes them starters on Miami.

I also read last night that Henne will be ready come camp but Miami might stick with Moore. It said that Henne will get lots of offers from many teams as a back up and even some as a starter or at least to compete for a starting job. I know many dont like him I still do and I hate to give up on him when he has shown talent at times. He also looked like he might have a break out year before getting hurt. I would love to see what he could do with a different coaching staff especially a HC with balls. I still think they need to draft/trade for someone this year but since we arent getting Luck there isnt anyone else in the draft who could turn this team around now. Henne could come back and make us a playoff team imo. What I would love to see happen is Henne start, see what he can do if he sucks give Devlin a shot and see him next. If they both suck then next year try to draft Barkley.

Another option would be a trade and there are 2 QBs I would love to see traded to Miami. 1st is an obvious guy but if hes healthy and that would be Peyton. Lots of talk of them releasing him or trading him but all depends on his bonus due March 8. He is due another $26 or $28 million on March 8 and that might be too much for them to pay to hold his rights so if hes a free agent I think he could easily sign with Miami. If they do keep his rights and decide to trade him I see Miami in that mix and feel he will want to go somewhere warm and stay AFC. The other option I would love would be Flynn. There was talk last off-season about GB trading him and Miami was 1 of the teams. I think at this point GB has to trade him because he will never start over Rodgers for the next 7-10 years anyway and hes too good to be on the bench. He is going to want to have a chance to start and his value is at its highest. I dont know if he is under contract for another year or 2 but if he is they have to try and get something rather then lose him to free agency. Epo will know more about that though and probably has read some things about this?!

[underdog]

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Chargers announced HC Norv Turner and GM A.J. Smith will return.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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The only thing that would be better is if SD realizes they made a mistake and end up firing both after every viable candidate already has a job. Then they'll get Raheem Morris.

[Snacks]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The only thing that would be better is if SD realizes they made a mistake and end up firing both after every viable candidate already has a job. Then they'll get Raheem Morris.

this is why I wanted Sporano fired during the season. I knew this could happen in Miami and was relieved when they fired him weeks ago. Norv should have been fired after the 7 game losing streak but they finished 3-1 I think and that saved him. Going 8-8 and having a 3 way tie for the division helped a lot. Sorry Spoon at least you still have Rivers!!!

[cougarjake13]

So sorry for ur non loss spoon

[Snacks]

So I looked up Flynn, he is a free agent after this season but reports are Wash, Miami, Clev and others are interested. GB might franchise him for $14 million so that they can do a sign and trade to get something out of this. That sucks because GB will decide the team he goes to. Im sure if there are many similar offers they might ask him which team he prefers but GB will take what is best for him. The good thing is since he isnt under contract they cant hold him hostage and ask for the world because they could get stuck paying their back up $14 million and wind up with nothing so they will make this trade quick and early on.

[cougarjake13]

Wow.

And that's why theyre a good franchise who else would think of this

Hope it doesn't back fire on them

[Snacks]

More good news for those who want a new Head coach but arent getting one

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34178722

[HBox]

I honestly don't mind that as long as Spagnuolo is brought in.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I honestly don't mind that as long as Spagnuolo is brought in.

Castillo is being retained, I thought? Is he keep a job, just being demoted?

[Snoogans]

In college they have "All Americans". Is there an actual All American Bowl or something? If there isn't, that's what the NFL should do.

the NFL does that. its called the All Pro team. They basically pick 1 team worth of guys and name them all pro and then thats it. its seperate from the pro bowl

[Snoogans]

I watched the stan vs ok st bowl game and then watched sportscenter highlights. I understand some people want to hate on Luck because of the hype surrounding him similar to why some hate Tebow. But sorry Luck deserves his hype for his play and is a fucking beast. Watching him play out there is this bowl game vs watching rg3 isnt even close. RG3 is a nice athlete but he is in no way the qb that Luck is. I hope Indy makes the mistake and trades away their pick (to miami please) because Luck is the closest I have seen to an NFL ready QB ever. That doesnt mean he wont fail because you never know how they will do but I cant see it and Im usually a skeptic and hate over hyped players coming from college to the NFL. He throws a perfect pass, has incredible reads, moves perfectly in the pocket, avoids defensive rushes better then even some mobile qbs, can run if needed, is a great athlete and checks off til he finds an open guy and never stairs down the main target. This guy is special and I hope he does succeed where ever he goes (except if the Jets some how got him but I doubt they are trading up for the #1 overall)

you got this from one game? Luck is not a beast. in fact, he wasnt really that great this year. RG was a much better QB and a much better passer, but you probably wouldnt know that from the 1 game of RGs that you probably watched. I love this shit.

Luck is going to be a bum. i dont know why, i dont hate the kid, but i just feel it. He is a good QB but he isnt some massive stud. i dont get how this shit all happened

[Snoogans]

Not a knock on RGIII, but I agree with most everything you said.

I've tried to find fault in Luck's play, but the shit keeps working for him. There were passes last night that seemed to hang in the air for an impossibly long time, but he only had the one pick, and only 4 incompletions. That last drive in regulation was pretty damn impressive.

By the end, I found myself realizing that the fucker just throws very "catchable" balls to his Stanford receivers, and has a nice touch. He used his arm strength when needed, but doesn't force many passes.

After watching AU QB's repeatedly throwing short passes through their receiver's hands, and banging them off of facemasks this year, I've developed a newfound appreciation for a QB's touch, and that's exactly what Luck was doing all night.

He ended up going 23 - 24 on passes when he was able to stay in the pocket. Sure, there were a lot of short passes, but there'll be a calling for short passes in the NFL too. And having better receivers means he can put more on some of those throws.

Has he benefitted from a pretty damn good OLine? Absolutely. I agree with what someone else said about it being a MYTH that he's doing all this without any talent around him. Maybe not the top tier at the skill positions, but that line is pretty stout.

But even with that, his footwork in the pocket was pretty damn flawless, and he just seems to have an instinct about where to move, when to take off, and when to release the ball.

Oh, and he was 4 - 7 when outside the pocket... still, not bad. Only 4 total misses on the night. He ended up avg 11.2 yds/att. Yeah, a lot of YAC went into that, but they took their shots deep when the opportunity presented itself.

As much as I was rooting for OkState to expose another overrated Pac-12 team, I ended up kinda rooting for the kid at the end. (Cue the "Rocky 4" speech)

It'll be interesting to see who the Colts hire, and what transpires between now and draft day, but it's going to be tough to pass on this kid.


i dont agree with this. Maybe in the bowl game (which i didnt watch) he performed incredibly. But I watched like 8 stanford games this year. He isnt that special. He didnt really blow me away. IN fact, in 2 of the games I watched, he looked kinda rough. He actually reminded me alot of Eli manning.

Again, I dont think he is gonna be a bad QB, i just dont think he is gonna come in and kick the shit out of everyone. I think Barkley was a way better QB this year.

I also hate, in general, that 1 game, the bowl game, or in basketball one tourney, means wayyyy more than what kids did the entire body of work. Its just dumb. Its one fuckin game. Its 3 fuckin weeks (basketball).

[JimBeam]

you got this from one game? Luck is not a beast. in fact, he wasnt really that great this year. RG was a much better QB and a much better passer, but you probably wouldnt know that from the 1 game of RGs that you probably watched. I love this shit.

Luck is going to be a bum. i dont know why, i dont hate the kid, but i just feel it. He is a good QB but he isnt some massive stud. i dont get how this shit all happened

This is what kills me.

It's not like the guys has done anything in his career to justify such high praise.

He hasn't beaten a top level team ( as I mentioned in a previoust post a nuetered USC and lame ND team don't really count ).

The most ridiculous point I heard made was in the USC game when after he threw an INT for a TD, and a USC lead, he " lead his team right back down the field " for a score.

The thing is if he didn't throw the INT the next TD would have probably cemented a win and not caused the game to go into OT.

Oh that and some BS penalty they called on a USC DB.

[Sinestro]

any chance of the Jets getting Mike Martz as OC?

[Snacks]

you got this from one game? Luck is not a beast. in fact, he wasnt really that great this year. RG was a much better QB and a much better passer, but you probably wouldnt know that from the 1 game of RGs that you probably watched. I love this shit.

Luck is going to be a bum. i dont know why, i dont hate the kid, but i just feel it. He is a good QB but he isnt some massive stud. i dont get how this shit all happened

No I got this from this entire season and his college career the previous 2 seasons. He is a beast and watching that last game just proves it further for me.

I will admit I didnt watch any of Baylors games this year except the bowl game and his game vs ok st when they were blown out and he looked avg at best in that game. He is a great athlete but hasnt proved to me from the 2 games and highlights to be a great NFL QB prospect. Thats the difference for me. We will see what happens and both could turn out to fail and both could turn out to be the next studs, I dont know but if up to me I would take Luck and obviously you would take RG3.

[Snacks]

i dont agree with this. Maybe in the bowl game (which i didnt watch) he performed incredibly. But I watched like 8 stanford games this year. He isnt that special. He didnt really blow me away. IN fact, in 2 of the games I watched, he looked kinda rough. He actually reminded me alot of Eli manning.

Again, I dont think he is gonna be a bad QB, i just dont think he is gonna come in and kick the shit out of everyone. I think Barkley was a way better QB this year.

I also hate, in general, that 1 game, the bowl game, or in basketball one tourney, means wayyyy more than what kids did the entire body of work. Its just dumb. Its one fuckin game. Its 3 fuckin weeks (basketball).

you dont think his 3 years of great college play is what the hype is when it comes to Luck? its not 1 bowl game its the 3 previous seasons.

[HBox]

Castillo is being retained, I thought? Is he keep a job, just being demoted?

Nah, nothing about Castillo has been announced yet. Today Lurie said that any staff changes are up to Reid and that's it. And even if Reid does say Castillo is coming back that means nothing. Last year he said McDermott was coming back and then fired him anyway despite having no backup plan.

[HBox]

any chance of the Jets getting Mike Martz as OC?

They already said Schottenheimer is coming back.

[spoon]

You went to the game? Lucky fucker. I didnt klnow you were in town. You from here?

From Pa live outside of NYC in NJ now. Yah, game was sweet and did the bar hopping thing in philly erin express style the night before but the mummer parade was hilarious!

I used to hit Philly often back in the day and it could be considered my old haunt, so this trip was memory inspiring and fun as hell.

[Snoogans]

you dont think his 3 years of great college play is what the hype is when it comes to Luck? its not 1 bowl game its the 3 previous seasons.

but thats my point. he didnt play great for 3 years. He was really solid, im not sayin he is a bum.I have said a few times i think he will be a decent QB. What i dont get is what people saw that makes them think he is gonna be the next peyton manning. I watched the kid play alot of football. He is good. he didnt blow me away. Nothing he did blew me away. I can think of a good 4 or 5 QBs in college that id rather hand my NFL team over to than Andrew Luck. Not all of them are coming out into the draft but, thats what i dont get. everyone talks about the guy like he is a fuckin lock down stud. he isnt that good. He is just a good solid QB.

And the last couple years in stanford, lets not act like they were throwin the ball 50 60 times a game, that luck was carrying them. They were running fuckin Gherhart like 40 times a game. Luck was only throwin like 20-25 passes. I just dont see it

[ozzie]

i dont agree with this. Maybe in the bowl game (which i didnt watch) he performed incredibly. But I watched like 8 stanford games this year. He isnt that special. He didnt really blow me away. IN fact, in 2 of the games I watched, he looked kinda rough. He actually reminded me alot of Eli manning.

Again, I dont think he is gonna be a bad QB, i just dont think he is gonna come in and kick the shit out of everyone. I think Barkley was a way better QB this year.

I also hate, in general, that 1 game, the bowl game, or in basketball one tourney, means wayyyy more than what kids did the entire body of work. Its just dumb. Its one fuckin game. Its 3 fuckin weeks (basketball).

Maybe so, but Barkley's not entering the draft.

And I'm not comparing him to any other QB from any other year. Just this year's class of QB's entering the 2012 draft.

And I haven't been a luck "fan" all along. I agreed with RGIII for heisman, and this wasn't intended as a knock on him at all.

I really didn't want to like Luck at all, and was hoping they'd shit the bed last night. I just couldn't find any real fault in his game.

Will any of this translate into being a good NFL QB? We'll see. But I finally get what they're seeing in this kid. Obviously he's still rough, but he's shown the skills needed, and as far as the "wonderlic" shit scouts look at... I'm pretty sure he'll ace those tests too.

This could all blow up in the face of the team that ends up taking him. Only time will tell. I'm just saying that it's going to be hard to make the decision to be "that team" that passed on him.

[Snacks]

but thats my point. he didnt play great for 3 years. He was really solid, im not sayin he is a bum.I have said a few times i think he will be a decent QB. What i dont get is what people saw that makes them think he is gonna be the next peyton manning. I watched the kid play alot of football. He is good. he didnt blow me away. Nothing he did blew me away. I can think of a good 4 or 5 QBs in college that id rather hand my NFL team over to than Andrew Luck. Not all of them are coming out into the draft but, thats what i dont get. everyone talks about the guy like he is a fuckin lock down stud. he isnt that good. He is just a good solid QB.

And the last couple years in stanford, lets not act like they were throwin the ball 50 60 times a game, that luck was carrying them. They were running fuckin Gherhart like 40 times a game. Luck was only throwin like 20-25 passes. I just dont see it

and that is another thing that makes people believe he would be a stud is that they didnt throw enough. he never had wrs either. the reason so many like him is he seems to do everything right. he dumps off perfectly, reads the field, checks off without revealing his target, throws a beautiful accurate pass, has high comp %, low ints, can run, is athletic and very qb smart. I think its because when you watch him you dont see flaws like with most qbs. Im sure he has some but whatever they are, are so minuscule he looks like a sure thing yet we all know there is no such thing imo he might be as close as they get.

[Snoogans]

and that is another thing that makes people believe he would be a stud is that they didnt throw enough. he never had wrs either. the reason so many like him is he seems to do everything right. he dumps off perfectly, reads the field, checks off without revealing his target, throws a beautiful accurate pass, has high comp %, low ints, can run, is athletic and very qb smart. I think its because when you watch him you dont see flaws like with most qbs. Im sure he has some but whatever they are, are so minuscule he looks like a sure thing yet we all know there is no such thing imo he might be as close as they get.

while he may not have had great receivers, he did have one of the best OLs out there, if not the best. 3 of those guys are prob gonna go first round. thats a big help.

And 2, not throwing alot shouldnt make you think he is a stud. It should make you worry that flaws will pop up that werent noticed before cause he wasnt forced to make enough throws. Again I dont wanna argue this and have people come at me thinkin im sayin he is garbage. I know he is a good QB. But he wasnt even the best fuckin QB in his own conference. And people are acting like you are stupid if you dont take him number 1. He played good QB on a good team that had good smart kids who did what they were supposed to. Thats not going to be the case on whatever team he ends up on in the NFL, for 1. and 2, there are alot of guys who threw great, accurate balls, who got to the NFL and still couldnt read or follow the faster defenses and still couldnt play QB.

All im sayin is can we slow down a bit? He isnt a stud, he shouldnt go number 1. The colts, if they are smart, would trade down to like 12-17 and take extra picks and fix more issues.

If they take luck they are retarded. And further more, i think the ceiling for luck is about what eli has done. Again, no problem with that, but its gonna take him a long time to make an impact. he isnt comin in and being cam newton. not even close

[Snoogans]

Maybe so, but Barkley's not entering the draft.

And I'm not comparing him to any other QB from any other year. Just this year's class of QB's entering the 2012 draft.

And I haven't been a luck "fan" all along. I agreed with RGIII for heisman, and this wasn't intended as a knock on him at all.

I really didn't want to like Luck at all, and was hoping they'd shit the bed last night. I just couldn't find any real fault in his game.

Will any of this translate into being a good NFL QB? We'll see. But I finally get what they're seeing in this kid. Obviously he's still rough, but he's shown the skills needed, and as far as the "wonderlic" shit scouts look at... I'm pretty sure he'll ace those tests too.

This could all blow up in the face of the team that ends up taking him. Only time will tell. I'm just saying that it's going to be hard to make the decision to be "that team" that passed on him.

I think its kinda stupid for barkley not to be in the draft, however im sure he is making a pretty good salary at USC.

And I can find fault in lucks game. Its just, they dont show up alot cause he usually has all day to throw. Any half decent QB can stand back there and look like a stud when he has all day to throw. Any game i saw where the other team got even a bit of pressure on him, that accuracy wasnt as good. thats when he would throw his picks. And again, as jim beam said, they werent exactly romping through an SEC schedule. the Pac 12 is ok, it has a couple really good teams. But most of the teams he played were average at best. So sure, he gets to drop back behind a stud OL and pick apart secondaries. Even bad NFL Qbs can do that.

[spoon]

So sorry for ur non loss spoon

So I looked up Flynn, he is a free agent after this season but reports are Wash, Miami, Clev and others are interested. GB might franchise him for $14 million so that they can do a sign and trade to get something out of this. That sucks because GB will decide the team he goes to. Im sure if there are many similar offers they might ask him which team he prefers but GB will take what is best for him. The good thing is since he isnt under contract they cant hold him hostage and ask for the world because they could get stuck paying their back up $14 million and wind up with nothing so they will make this trade quick and early on.

Wow.

And that's why theyre a good franchise who else would think of this

Hope it doesn't back fire on them

Honestly, it's a simple move every team should do in that position...you know, like AJ Smith and Drew fucking Brees and perhaps Michael Turner, or Sproles? This gm HAS to go, bc at least Norv is a good guy...AJ is a fucking cunt and suck at his job. I challenge people to look back at this guy's first/second round picks and find great picks from this guy touted a great talent evaluator. He finds ok pieces late, but they only play decent roles on this fucking team bc spots are open based on HORRIBLE early picks. He makes HUGE moves to get guys like fucking Hester as HUGE costs, and that's good?

As for Norv, sigh. I really have nothing to say but it's what you get when you think one good win to end the season is ok (Baltimore at SD/on the road by the way...where they are AWFUL). The Ravens also lost to the Titans, Jags and Chawks on the road. So yah, settle down Spanos you idiot, SD beat Jacksonville, Buff and Oakland to end the year "strong", but lost 6 straight heading into it. You don't look past that and the last few years, not to mention Turners history/past. How can one look at this and think it's a good move outside of for Turner and AJ Smith? It simply isn't and Spanos quite simply is an idiot or the cheapest GM in the NFL. Neither is a good title and this won't help keeping SD out of LA. I fully expect a whole lot of blackouts next year and then the push to get them to LA. Fucking train wreck barely sums it up.

[Snoogans]

while we are on the topic. Ive been wondering since like week 2 why i havent heard ANYTHING about the NFL and future prospects of Russel Wilson. He is under contract still with the rockies and they just let him leave for this one year? Is there something that wont let him go to the NFL? Cause if not, i cant understand why no one has even mentioned him being drafted, at least on the shit ive seen. personally i think he would be a great fit on an NFL team that has speed at skill positions. Though i dont think he would put up near the stats (i dont think anyone will for a long time), i dont see why he couldnt be something like Cam Newton. He seems to throw the ball pretty damn well from what ive seen, even if he cant spike it.

I still dont know what the fuck happened on that play, btw

[Snoogans]

will you idiots shut the fuck up. what are we the jets now?

"We know they have that quote unquote reputation," Tuck said when asked on Monday about the reputation of Atlanta's offensive line. The Falcons have drawn criticism from opposing teams this season for supposedly playing dirty and playing beyond the whistle.

"But in a way it kind of is exciting. Most people, you would call them dirtbags," Tuck said. "But it is what it is. We got to make sure we do our job and if we are doing our job well, then they will be upset and they will be trying to do things to get us off our game and we got to take that as a compliment. But in the same sense you got to protect yourself and hopefully the referees have 20/20 vision this week."

[spoon]

No idea on that guy in any way Shaun, sorry. I don't even know who he is, much less his story.

As for the Luck/Indy thing, It's a tough call and Peyton's health and input on this means soooo much. If he's ok with luck coming in and backing up for 2-3 years or so, like Rivers with Brees, than I do it. He'd be such a better qb and the future to learn from one of the best. It's not often one gets this shot, and I think Rivers owes a lot to Brees in his scenario to be honest.

If Peyton mans up and says this is cool and he'll be 36 coming into next year off a neck injury/multiple surgeries so I think he should see this coming and it would only make me like the guy more if he does. I'd say it publicly too and allow the Colts to make the call saying you're cool in either situation and would LOVE to mentor the next in line to keep Indy a top tier team. He'd go another step in becoming a legend in my mind, not just on the field, but in the locker room and as a team first guy.

He needs to shut his loud mouthed losing father up pronto bc he makes his sons look weak and bad every time he speaks. The guy made me HATE Eli and it was clearly all daddy. While I understand his reasoning to let Dad talk back then, I still get irked by how it went down and would playing for Marty be that bad as a qb? I know he had LT and Turner at the time with a huge running influence, but they tossed it plenty and were a good looking team of the future. Regardless, I'm plenty happy with the take from that move in the end, and his loud father probably made the take higher tbh.

Yet, Peyton needs to shut him up now being fucking 35 and looking at either his heir apparent coming in to be his student, to be traded bc he's a bitch or he's pushed out for the future (picks/players) and or Indy does make the move to fill multiple positions by moving down in the draft and going for another SB run before he's gone. Any situation can happen, but how Manning is viewed and his reputation is on the line in my mind. All he has to do is be a team player and shut his father up. Even IF they draft Luck, it won't be some Tebow situation unless the people in Indy are as dumb as those in hill country!

[Snoogans]

spoons favorite site, deadspin:

You probably have a friend who doesn't follow football that closely and thinks the Chargers are really great. He likes that they have Antonio Gates, who is a killer in fantasy, and Vincent Jackson. He thinks Philip Rivers deserves to be mentioned with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as the best quarterbacks in the NFL. He believes that San Diego still has Shawne Merriman, who's Lights Out despite that steroids thing, and LaDainian Tomlinson, who's the better LT, you know.

But I bet you never knew that friend of yours was Dean Spanos and he owned the Chargers:

"Bottom line, I believe these two men give us the best chance to get back to the playoffs," owner Dean Spanos said in a statement. "A.J. Smith is the best man to improve our roster, and Norv Turner is the best man to lead that roster on the field."

[Snoogans]

No idea on that guy in any way Shaun, sorry. I don't even know who he is, much less his story.

As for the Luck/Indy thing, It's a tough call and Peyton's health and input on this means soooo much. If he's ok with luck coming in and backing up for 2-3 years or so, like Rivers with Brees, than I do it. He'd be such a better qb and the future to learn from one of the best. It's not often one gets this shot, and I think Rivers owes a lot to Brees in his scenario to be honest.

If Peyton mans up and says this is cool and he'll be 36 coming into next year off a neck injury/multiple surgeries so I think he should see this coming and it would only make me like the guy more if he does. I'd say it publicly too and allow the Colts to make the call saying you're cool in either situation and would LOVE to mentor the next in line to keep Indy a top tier team. He'd go another step in becoming a legend in my mind, not just on the field, but in the locker room and as a team first guy.

He needs to shut his loud mouthed losing father up pronto bc he makes his sons look weak and bad every time he speaks. The guy made me HATE Eli and it was clearly all daddy. While I understand his reasoning to let Dad talk back then, I still get irked by how it went down and would playing for Marty be that bad as a qb? I know he had LT and Turner at the time with a huge running influence, but they tossed it plenty and were a good looking team of the future. Regardless, I'm plenty happy with the take from that move in the end, and his loud father probably made the take higher tbh.

Yet, Peyton needs to shut him up now being fucking 35 and looking at either his heir apparent coming in to be his student, to be traded bc he's a bitch or he's pushed out for the future (picks/players) and or Indy does make the move to fill multiple positions by moving down in the draft and going for another SB run before he's gone. Any situation can happen, but how Manning is viewed and his reputation is on the line in my mind. All he has to do is be a team player and shut his father up. Even IF they draft Luck, it won't be some Tebow situation unless the people in Indy are as dumb as those in hill country!

russel wilson is the QB of Wisconsin. He played for 4 years at QB for NC State (and was actually pretty solid, though made alot of young player type mistakes). After he graduated, he signed a deal to play baseball, i believe with the rockies. He went and played for a year and wasnt that good, so he used the NCAA rule of being able to go to another school as a grad student, take a course your old school didnt offer, and then you would be granted 1 more year of eligibility to play sports while a grad student. He did that this year and was able to play QB for wisconsin, and he had a Monster year. He has some issues, some which were hidden by his abilities to run, but i think he would be a good guy to take a flyer on in the 3rd, 4th, 5th round area. But being i hear that from no where, i think there must be some baseball commitment keeping him from entering the draft, maybe.

[Snacks]

No idea on that guy in any way Shaun, sorry. I don't even know who he is, much less his story.

As for the Luck/Indy thing, It's a tough call and Peyton's health and input on this means soooo much. If he's ok with luck coming in and backing up for 2-3 years or so, like Rivers with Brees, than I do it. He'd be such a better qb and the future to learn from one of the best. It's not often one gets this shot, and I think Rivers owes a lot to Brees in his scenario to be honest.

If Peyton mans up and says this is cool and he'll be 36 coming into next year off a neck injury/multiple surgeries so I think he should see this coming and it would only make me like the guy more if he does. I'd say it publicly too and allow the Colts to make the call saying you're cool in either situation and would LOVE to mentor the next in line to keep Indy a top tier team. He'd go another step in becoming a legend in my mind, not just on the field, but in the locker room and as a team first guy.

He needs to shut his loud mouthed losing father up pronto bc he makes his sons look weak and bad every time he speaks. The guy made me HATE Eli and it was clearly all daddy. While I understand his reasoning to let Dad talk back then, I still get irked by how it went down and would playing for Marty be that bad as a qb? I know he had LT and Turner at the time with a huge running influence, but they tossed it plenty and were a good looking team of the future. Regardless, I'm plenty happy with the take from that move in the end, and his loud father probably made the take higher tbh.

Yet, Peyton needs to shut him up now being fucking 35 and looking at either his heir apparent coming in to be his student, to be traded bc he's a bitch or he's pushed out for the future (picks/players) and or Indy does make the move to fill multiple positions by moving down in the draft and going for another SB run before he's gone. Any situation can happen, but how Manning is viewed and his reputation is on the line in my mind. All he has to do is be a team player and shut his father up. Even IF they draft Luck, it won't be some Tebow situation unless the people in Indy are as dumb as those in hill country!

at this point i dont think it has anything to do with manning or him making the call himself to be ok with this. i think the owner might want to make pure business decision and save the $28 million hes owed and let him walk or at the very least try to find a taker for his contract before their deadline of paying him. manning is a good guy, his father seems to talk too much and should stay out of it but not once have i heard a quote from manning himself say he would care if they drafted his replacement. i have heard that luck isnt going to want to be drafted and wait 2-4 years behind someone but that was reported never heard luck or his father say that either.

[spoon]

yet manning's guaranteed money has to be HUGE and a huge cap hit too

moving him might not be a great call


what's his hit to the team if moved?

anyone?

[Snacks]

yet manning's guaranteed money has to be HUGE and a huge cap hit too

moving him might not be a great call


what's his hit to the team if moved?

anyone?

i didnt hear anything about a cap hit only that the smart move would be not to pay him the $26/28 million owed march 8. maybe there isnt a cap hit and thats why they have to do it before that date?

[cougarjake13]

He gets a roster bonus I think on the 8th

[spoon]

Hmmmmmmmmm (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/12/will-colts-qb-peyton-manning-be-playing-somewhere-else-in-2012/1)

[Snoogans]

i didnt hear anything about a cap hit only that the smart move would be not to pay him the $26/28 million owed march 8. maybe there isnt a cap hit and thats why they have to do it before that date?

anytime you sign a guy, if you have guaranteed money in the deal, it hits your cap entirely if you cut or trade him. its why trades arent common in the NFL. The colts would have to eat a ton to deal manning, just as the rams would have to eat a ton to drop bradford. making both highly unlikely

[spoon]

read that link I posted though, it paints another odd scenario possible?

[Snoogans]

read that link I posted though, it paints another odd scenario possible?

what a bunch of shit. redoing the contract. Shouldnt you have to wait a certain amount of time. How is it fair to be allowed to rework a contract 4 months later

[cougarjake13]

Yeh a restructured deal where that 28 mil bonus can be put elsewhere

[Snacks]

read that link I posted though, it paints another odd scenario possible?

so it sounds like if they dont trust his neck or have no trade offers worth wild they will just release him before march 8 and be done with him. cold but not such a bad thing for him because he will find work. the only thing about that article that make no sense is Washington. i cant see him going in conf with his brother then alone in div. plus Washington has no offensive weapons. decent but old te, decent but old wr and thats it no rbs no other young great wr prospects etc. I know it sounds like a homer pick but to me Miami is his best spot. Stud left tackle, top 5/10 wr, top 5/10 slot man (bess) and a rb who can catch the ball out of the backfield. I also think the warm weather would be a plus because the older you get the less you want to play outside. I think the jets could have been a good fit and maybe even Minn but thats if he would go to the NFC. They also seem to love ponder (I dont know why). Maybe Arz but they just traded and signed Kolb to a huge contract. I think he can go anywhere he wants but there are limits that fit his wants and needs unless its just a money grab and he doesnt care where he plays?

[Snacks]

what a bunch of shit. redoing the contract. Shouldnt you have to wait a certain amount of time. How is it fair to be allowed to rework a contract 4 months later

its done all the time to resign others. plus it was a non-guaranteed bonus so technically if they just cut him they wouldnt owe it to him.

[Snoogans]

its done all the time to resign others. plus it was a non-guaranteed bonus so technically if they just cut him they wouldnt owe it to him.

yea thats why. non guaranteed bonus. thats why the rams cant do the same with bradford, cause half of it was guaranteed. dummies

[Crispy123]

Ooo Peyton in Miami would be sweet.

[Snacks]

Ooo Peyton in Miami would be sweet.

I would be very happy to get 2 maybe 3 good years out of him. Manning going to Miami would also be good for the league because it would allow the Brady /Manning rivalry to play itself out 2 times a year. I think Peyton being similar to a Marino type QB would be great for the league and for the team. I do wish he could be 1 of those guys that played for 1 team his entire career but like the old saying goes "If SF can trade Montana then nothing should surprise you"

To be honest and putting my personal feelings about him and the dolphins aside. I cant see a better fit for him can anyone else see one?

[JPMNICK]

what a bunch of shit. redoing the contract. Shouldnt you have to wait a certain amount of time. How is it fair to be allowed to rework a contract 4 months later

I agree 100% here. I never understand these worthless NFL contracts. look at what they did to McNabb this year.

They should all have the same agent as Haynesworth, who got bags of money to do nothing

[KnoxHarrington]

I agree 100% here. I never understand these worthless NFL contracts. look at what they did to McNabb this year.

They should all have the same agent as Haynesworth, who got bags of money to do nothing

It's understandable why money isn't totally guaranteed in the NFL, given the high chance of a player suffering a career ending injury, but, yeah, these contracts stink. If you sign a big contract in the NFL, you might as well ask them to print it on toilet paper so you'll get some use out of it for wiping your ass later.

[hanso]

yet manning's guaranteed money has to be HUGE and a huge cap hit too

moving him might not be a great call


what's his hit to the team if moved?

anyone?

Under the new CBA don't it allow taking on new top picks w/o giving up the bank now?

Now i'm hearing that they will take Luck and keep Payton. And that sounds to me like the best way to go about it.

My wonder is what team gets the next QB RG3.

[spoon]

so it sounds like if they dont trust his neck or have no trade offers worth wild they will just release him before march 8 and be done with him. cold but not such a bad thing for him because he will find work. the only thing about that article that make no sense is Washington. i cant see him going in conf with his brother then alone in div. plus Washington has no offensive weapons. decent but old te, decent but old wr and thats it no rbs no other young great wr prospects etc. I know it sounds like a homer pick but to me Miami is his best spot. Stud left tackle, top 5/10 wr, top 5/10 slot man (bess) and a rb who can catch the ball out of the backfield. I also think the warm weather would be a plus because the older you get the less you want to play outside. I think the jets could have been a good fit and maybe even Minn but thats if he would go to the NFC. They also seem to love ponder (I dont know why). Maybe Arz but they just traded and signed Kolb to a huge contract. I think he can go anywhere he wants but there are limits that fit his wants and needs unless its just a money grab and he doesnt care where he plays?

That's some loaded homerism at its finest Snacks sorry. First off, while Cooley is banged up, he's only 29 at a position people play long especially his type game. However, Fred Davis is the stud now and he's 25 and put up some sweet numbers with shit tossing the ball and missing the final 4 bc of drug testing (just weed/stupid to me). Next, at tackle, they have 2 year player and 4th overall Trent Williams out of Oklahoma and Helu looking good early on at RB. Your ranking of Marshall at 10, let alone 5 is pushing it big based on his issues alone. Yet calling Bess 5/10 is hilarity at it's finest.

I'm also shocked by the lack of Thomas at RB pounding the ball once healthy, bc to me he's going to do so soon. Yet let's also not forget Miami plays outdoors and heat and humidity can be just as hard on some, if not worse than the cold. Factor in that Washington's D is loaded with some absolute future studs (Kerrigan, Orakpo and others) one can see you might not have to go nuts on O as in the past to win games there. I know Miami has some players too, but I think Washington's D looks to be more solid and a force soon, as long as Shannahan keeps his hands off it.

So overall it's a very biased rundown you give, I'm sorry. If it was just some points on why you think he'd fit without the over-the-top claims I'd just brush it off. Yet Shannahan has worked well with some qbs in the past too, and is clearly an offensive first coach looking for a general. Add in the fact that Snyder isn't shy when wanting someone and you may just see this happen. At his age, Manning going to the same conf is not a big deal (3-5 years more max!).

[spoon]

To be honest and putting my personal feelings about him and the dolphins aside. I cant see a better fit for him can anyone else see one?

Yep, many.

you have NOT put your personal feelings aside and it's obvious, holy fuck

you don't think Denver and Elway wouldn't love him? I already put the Washington piece together for you...Cleveland hasn't had a good qb since what, Kosar!? Minn and Tenn may feel it's time to give their young qbs a mentor for 3-5 and try for a sb with their stud rbs before they blow up (may have happened already). Jacksonville and their new owner may want to make a splash too, in order to make the LA move or keep the team there and bring up fandom!? They too could use him as a mentor or move their young qb as part of it too? KC, you never know bc those two they have aren't that great and they'll have a new coach or their int coach will stay and want to make the team theirs. Seattle, they would die for a guy like that to play with Skittles!

The teams out there are that could be interested in such a great player are many and numerous. Your whole "fit" is based on your bias and hope for a great player coming there. Are they a good fit, surely, but not some CLEAR CUT best option in any way.

[spoon]

I would be very happy to get 2 maybe 3 good years out of him. Manning going to Miami would also be good for the league because it would allow the Brady /Manning rivalry to play itself out 2 times a year. I think Peyton being similar to a Marino type QB would be great for the league and for the team. I do wish he could be 1 of those guys that played for 1 team his entire career but like the old saying goes "If SF can trade Montana then nothing should surprise you"

To be honest and putting my personal feelings about him and the dolphins aside. I cant see a better fit for him can anyone else see one?

SF, there's another good one thanks! SOOOO MANY!

[Snacks]

There is so much to reply to with all the shit you spew Im just so tired of it so all I will say is, OK whatever you say! No one can win an argument or be right with you anyway and no ones opinion is valid but yours so instead of pointing out all your mistakes (and there are lots just in your above argument alone) like you love to try to do to others I wont even bother!

[spoon]

There is so much to reply to with all the shit you spew Im just so tired of it so all I will say is, OK whatever you say! No one can win an argument or be right with you anyway and no ones opinion is valid but yours so instead of pointing out all your mistakes (and there are lots just in your above argument alone) like you love to try to do to others I wont even bother!

translation you're insane

bottom line snacks, there was not an "argument" going on, I was the only one to call you on some things I think are off. so if you want to act like this every time I post a counterpoint that's your call but I backed up PLENTY of my thoughts with stats to show you why I THINK you are off in your thinking. If I'm spewing shit, what the fuck are you putting out there besides homer points and biased shit like it's good for the league bc it's good for miami and he's marino-like ... amongst a plethora of other off points? Liking your players and team to be is fine...hell saying that Miami is a good fit is fine, but saying it's the BEST FIT and your breakdown on players is akin to Matty's first-ballot HOF Mangold showers posts!

if you have a point, make it, but stop fucking CRYING LIKE A BITCH any time I don't agree with u. Jesus you look like a fucking whiny baby who just had his bottle taken from him versus a guy talking sports like a fucking man. Disagree all you want, but at least stop crying every time as if I'm going to just look past something I disagree with or I just go after your posts bc I'm trolling! I actually like you Snacks, but this shit has got to fucking stop. For FUCK'S SAKE! You asked a fucking question and I answered it based on MY THOUGHTS! Are you always this offended when someone doesn't just agree or give you your way in life, much less on a stupid message board?

:wallbash::flush::wallbash:

[Kevin]

http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/169/8/c/i_like_turtles_by_hanzthebox.jpg

[ozzie]

while we are on the topic. Ive been wondering since like week 2 why i havent heard ANYTHING about the NFL and future prospects of Russel Wilson. He is under contract still with the rockies and they just let him leave for this one year? Is there something that wont let him go to the NFL? Cause if not, i cant understand why no one has even mentioned him being drafted, at least on the shit ive seen. personally i think he would be a great fit on an NFL team that has speed at skill positions. Though i dont think he would put up near the stats (i dont think anyone will for a long time), i dont see why he couldnt be something like Cam Newton. He seems to throw the ball pretty damn well from what ive seen, even if he cant spike it.

I still dont know what the fuck happened on that play, btw

Wilson is under 6ft. That's the knock. Yet another "undersized" guy who's going to fall into the later rounds. Personally, I think someone's going to get a STEAL when they pick him up. Assuming, of course, that he doesn't flip and try to play baseball again.

And I think they're locking down on that transfer rule. Wilson may have been the last one to be able to slip through that loophole.

Auburn gave him a loooooong look this summer. We were in another similar situation as we were before Cam. No definitive starter, and an offense that would showcase a run-threat QB like Russell. But in the end, AU replacing 4 offensive linemen would have meant taking a lot of pounding, and Wisconsin's line was just too good to pass up.

As far as the last play in the Rose Bowl... I'm not sure whether to blame one of the coaches, or Wilson, but they pulled a "Les Miles" on that one.

Oregon was giving up the middle of the field because Wisconsin was out of time outs. They gave up a long pass down the middle, and the clock stopped with two seconds left while they moved the chains.

Evidently someone on Wisconsin thought the clock wouldn't start until the ball was snapped. If that was the case, sure, you can spike the ball in a second, and huddle before taking one last shot.

But, that wasn't the case. The clock starts as soon as the ball is set and the ref signals to start it, so by the time they got off the snap, the clock hit zeroes before the spiked ball hit the turf. Game over.

[Snoogans]

Wilson is under 6ft. That's the knock. Yet another "undersized" guy who's going to fall into the later rounds. Personally, I think someone's going to get a STEAL when they pick him up. Assuming, of course, that he doesn't flip and try to play baseball again.

And I think they're locking down on that transfer rule. Wilson may have been the last one to be able to slip through that loophole.

Auburn gave him a loooooong look this summer. We were in another similar situation as we were before Cam. No definitive starter, and an offense that would showcase a run-threat QB like Russell. But in the end, AU replacing 4 offensive linemen would have meant taking a lot of pounding, and Wisconsin's line was just too good to pass up.

As far as the last play in the Rose Bowl... I'm not sure whether to blame one of the coaches, or Wilson, but they pulled a "Les Miles" on that one.

Oregon was giving up the middle of the field because Wisconsin was out of time outs. They gave up a long pass down the middle, and the clock stopped with two seconds left while they moved the chains.

Evidently someone on Wisconsin thought the clock wouldn't start until the ball was snapped. If that was the case, sure, you can spike the ball in a second, and huddle before taking one last shot.

But, that wasn't the case. The clock starts as soon as the ball is set and the ref signals to start it, so by the time they got off the snap, the clock hit zeroes before the spiked ball hit the turf. Game over.

Yea they are hinting at making that rule only grant eligibility for a different sport now, like how Greg Paulis did.

thanks for explainin the rest, i missed the end of the game live and the highlight shows didnt really explain it well

[Snoogans]

chargers fired their DC. so i guess its all good now, right spoon

[cougarjake13]

Raheem Morris rumored to be goin to wash as db coach

[Snoogans]

Steelers (-8) 14, Broncos 0. This is the worst AFC playoff field ever. Both the Broncos and Texans have lost three in a row. The Bengals lost last week. The Patriots have a shitty defense. The Broncos have a net point differential of -81, which is worse than the two teams that also went 8-8 in the AFC West. I don't know why common games was the tiebreaker used to determine the winner of the AFC West. They could have gone by conference games (which would give the Chargers the title) or by net points (Chargers again), or something that put the Chargers in instead, because watching Norv fail in the playoffs is even funnier than watching Tebow do likewise.

[JimBeam]

while he may not have had great receivers, he did have one of the best OLs out there, if not the best. 3 of those guys are prob gonna go first round. thats a big help.

And 2, not throwing alot shouldnt make you think he is a stud. It should make you worry that flaws will pop up that werent noticed before cause he wasnt forced to make enough throws. Again I dont wanna argue this and have people come at me thinkin im sayin he is garbage. I know he is a good QB. But he wasnt even the best fuckin QB in his own conference. And people are acting like you are stupid if you dont take him number 1. He played good QB on a good team that had good smart kids who did what they were supposed to. Thats not going to be the case on whatever team he ends up on in the NFL, for 1. and 2, there are alot of guys who threw great, accurate balls, who got to the NFL and still couldnt read or follow the faster defenses and still couldnt play QB.

All im sayin is can we slow down a bit? He isnt a stud, he shouldnt go number 1. The colts, if they are smart, would trade down to like 12-17 and take extra picks and fix more issues.

If they take luck they are retarded. And further more, i think the ceiling for luck is about what eli has done. Again, no problem with that, but its gonna take him a long time to make an impact. he isnt comin in and being cam newton. not even close

Even if you do give him some credit for the " doesn't have great receivers " bit you also have to realize that playing in the PAC12 he's not exactly facing NFL defenses.

He surely wasn't facing one in OK St the other night.

So you have to balance the lack of talent he's playing with against the lack of talent he's facing.

I think we've all said it in some way that it's quite possible the kid could wind up being good, even great, but to Snoogan's point nothings he's done so far, other than have a great passing efficiency game ( against a bottom 20 secondary ), seems to warrant such high praise.

In all honesty Barkley had the better season playing essentially the same schedule.

[underdog]

Steelers (-8) 14, Broncos 0. This is the worst AFC playoff field ever. Both the Broncos and Texans have lost three in a row. The Bengals lost last week. The Patriots have a shitty defense. The Broncos have a net point differential of -81, which is worse than the two teams that also went 8-8 in the AFC West. I don't know why common games was the tiebreaker used to determine the winner of the AFC West. They could have gone by conference games (which would give the Chargers the title) or by net points (Chargers again), or something that put the Chargers in instead, because watching Norv fail in the playoffs is even funnier than watching Tebow do likewise.

The Patriots defense this year gave up the 2nd most passing yards EVER in the NFL.

The #1 team EVER is this year's Packers team.

[underdog]

Steelers (-8) 14, Broncos 0. This is the worst AFC playoff field ever. Both the Broncos and Texans have lost three in a row. The Bengals lost last week. The Patriots have a shitty defense. The Broncos have a net point differential of -81, which is worse than the two teams that also went 8-8 in the AFC West. I don't know why common games was the tiebreaker used to determine the winner of the AFC West. They could have gone by conference games (which would give the Chargers the title) or by net points (Chargers again), or something that put the Chargers in instead, because watching Norv fail in the playoffs is even funnier than watching Tebow do likewise.

I thought I had a stroke, but apparently you just posted something off deadspin.

[Snoogans]

I thought I had a stroke, but apparently you just posted something off deadspin.

yea after i posted and saw your quote, i realized i didnt properly say that, however i had logged off hte board since i guess, and so it wouldnt let me edit.

[cougarjake13]

Yea they are hinting at making that rule only grant eligibility for a different sport now, like how Greg Paulis did.

thanks for explainin the rest, i missed the end of the game live and the highlight shows didnt really explain it well


what was the loop hole ?

[Snoogans]

what was the loop hole ?

i explained it. If you graduate from the school you play for, if you enrolled in grad school at another place and enrolled in courses for a program your old school did not offer, you would granted 1 additional year of eligibility to play college sports, assuming you otherwise qualified to play that sport

[cougarjake13]

i explained it. If you graduate from the school you play for, if you enrolled in grad school at another place and enrolled in courses for a program your old school did not offer, you would granted 1 additional year of eligibility to play college sports, assuming you otherwise qualified to play that sport



didnt see if u posted that earlier


thanks

[underdog]

The new Madden blows. I wish i had listened to snoogans and not purchased it. I fucking hate it.

[Snoogans]

The new Madden blows. I wish i had listened to snoogans and not purchased it. I fucking hate it.

i told you man. in my opinion, its been a few years since it was near as good as NCAA. But this year it was a HUGE difference. Return it and get NBA 2k12. Its fuckin awesome

[underdog]

i told you man. in my opinion, its been a few years since it was near as good as NCAA. But this year it was a HUGE difference. Return it and get NBA 2k12. Its fuckin awesome

I still have NCAA and I liked it, I just like doing franchise with the same players, so I wanted to like Madden but it blows. In neither game can a punt EVER bounce backwards. It's so fucking annoying. And the commentary in Madden is fucking atrocious.

And a lot of sports game commentary (The Show included) need to STOP with the "last year's award winner" shit. You can be 10 years into a a dynasty, and you're still hearing about 2010's MVP winning the award "last year".

I really don't think the people making Madden actually watch football or play the game.

[Snoogans]

I still have NCAA and I liked it, I just like doing franchise with the same players, so I wanted to like Madden but it blows. In neither game can a punt EVER bounce backwards. It's so fucking annoying. And the commentary in Madden is fucking atrocious.

And a lot of sports game commentary (The Show included) need to STOP with the "last year's award winner" shit. You can be 10 years into a a dynasty, and you're still hearing about 2010's MVP winning the award "last year".

I really don't think the people making Madden actually watch football or play the game.

ironically, the guy who used to be in charge of madden when it was awesome was moved over to FIFA a couple years ago and now fifa is fuckin incredible and madden sucks. I dont get why they just dont have the fuckin NCAA guys do it. how does one company make 2 football games and fuck one up and make the other awesome?

[TripleSkeet]

Steelers (-8) 14, Broncos 0. This is the worst AFC playoff field ever. Both the Broncos and Texans have lost three in a row. The Bengals lost last week. The Patriots have a shitty defense. The Broncos have a net point differential of -81, which is worse than the two teams that also went 8-8 in the AFC West. I don't know why common games was the tiebreaker used to determine the winner of the AFC West. They could have gone by conference games (which would give the Chargers the title) or by net points (Chargers again), or something that put the Chargers in instead, because watching Norv fail in the playoffs is even funnier than watching Tebow do likewise.

I know this is probably the dumbest thing Ive ever said on here but I have a feeling Denver pulls an upset. I really dont know why I feel that way but it seems like alot of Pitt players are talking shit and mocking Jesus and stuff and for some reason I just feel like its gonna bite them in the ass.

[spoon]

chargers fired their DC. so i guess its all good now, right spoon

:wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

I know this is probably the dumbest thing Ive ever said on here but I have a feeling Denver pulls an upset. I really dont know why I feel that way but it seems like alot of Pitt players are talking shit and mocking Jesus and stuff and for some reason I just feel like its gonna bite them in the ass.



If they win itll be more to do with no Mendenhall and Rothlisberger being hurt

[Kevin]

The GB Packers do not deserve to win another SB EVER AGAIN...

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The fact that EPO proudly posted this on FB just proves his Grand Slam homerisem.

[spoon]

If they win itll be more to do with no Mendenhall and Rothlisberger being hurt

mendenhall has NOT been good this year, and I actually think Redman is better overall before the injury if they gave him the ball more

mendenhall started the year with a stupid mouth, played a pretty shitty season and finished by getting injured...karma?

[spoon]

raji made me laugh on that one though

he's so proper with his hands in front and then that blank stare while doing his awesome dance

HATE that dude and ever smiling chick though...and the cheesehead is soooo forced this time

[spoon]

NFC
1 - Green Bay
2 - San Fran
3 - New Orleans
4 - New York Giants
5 - Atlanta
6 - Detroit

AFC
1 - New England
2 - Baltimore
3 - Houston
4 - Denver
5 - Pitt
6 - Cincy

On a serious note, there are some top qbs in this mix once again.

-One can easily argue Brady is one of the best now, but what becomes of his name if he helps drive NE to another title with THIS team, #4.

-If Rodgers gets #2, in back to back style after the dominant season he's had, he ROCKETS up to Brady/Montana/Elway status.

-If Big Ben pulls it out again, this banged up, he simply becomes one of the toughest qbs to ever play the game, and no matter how he does it, joins elite status if he's not there yet (pr issues hurt him).

-Many have NO winning this whole thing, and it could happen but the road games in SF and GB point to slim chances. They are a COMPLETELY different team on the road, and they got so hot at the end of the year bc even when they were it was almost always in a dome/on turf. One story says they are 8-0 coming into the game, but look closer. 5 were at home and 2 of the 3 road wins were in domes (atlanta, minny and tenn), and they came real close to losing 2 regardless. We all remember Atalnta going for 4th in OT on their own 30 or something right? Oh and that one game not on turf/in a dome on the road, NO barely beat Tenn 22-17. Go back two more road games and you have losses to two AWFUL fucking teams in St. Louis and Tampa Bay. Yah, I don't really think they have much of a chance w/o home or turf...much less against GB in the cold. Perhaps they can do it in SF, but no way up there. Yet if Brees does find a way, which I could root for, he enters a whole new level too.

[spoon]

Now let's look at the next tier of qb.

-Manning has had one great season, if not his best in the regular 16. However, he becomes a bona fide great, not just the lil manning that shocked the pats and got a non-deserving mvp regardless of that one play.

-Ryan can't win away from home much either in the regular season, but in the playoffs he's winless regardless. With the offensive this team fields, and what they gave up to get guys like Julio Jones, one simple win on the road vs the Giants may warrant it for a little longer and help Ryan take that next step. I run or SB would change it all in the blink of an eye, but man their D is bad too. Pick your poison playing this revitalized NYG d, but it has to be better than going to New Orleans at this point (0-2 against this year).

-Stafford has been pretty sick this year, and he seems to have learned from that just AWFUL game against Chicago where you had to be atrocious to lose to Cutler that day. He literally won the game for Chicago (Stafford). Since then he's only lost to GB twice and NO. That's pretty solid and an eye opener seeing some greats manage a game while putting up stats and leading their teams. He's finding out how to win now, along with staying healthy, but a few playoff wins can help this team and Stafford a ton, much less an improbable SB win.

Wow what a tough Conference this year! Every QB in it is top flight overall for the year, and there really isn't a weak link!

Now the AFC, well it's got some savvy players but what a difference.

[Snoogans]

raji made me laugh on that one though

he's so proper with his hands in front and then that blank stare while doing his awesome dance

HATE that dude and ever smiling chick though...and the cheesehead is soooo forced this time

i cant lie, when she tries to pull him over and goes come on, you said you were a dancer, that shit made me laugh. Its still really gay, but its also pretty funny

[Kevin]

i cant lie, when she tries to pull him over and goes come on, you said you were a dancer, that shit made me laugh. Its still really gay, but its also pretty funny

Sure, to mock and laugh at when its not your team.

But If Eli and JPP was doing this, you would be shamed.

Though Eli would be shameful in anything he does outside the field of play.

[cougarjake13]

Sure, to mock and laugh at when its not your team.

But If Eli and JPP was doing this, you would be shamed.

Though Eli would be shameful in anything he does outside the field of play.

Like those awful Double stuff Oreo and citizen watch commercials

[Snoogans]

Sure, to mock and laugh at when its not your team.

But If Eli and JPP was doing this, you would be shamed.

Though Eli would be shameful in anything he does outside the field of play.

please bro. nothing is worse than those awful Eli Toyota commercials

[epo]

Sure, to mock and laugh at when its not your team.

But If Eli and JPP was doing this, you would be shamed.

Though Eli would be shameful in anything he does outside the field of play.

Your obsession with Wisconsin is quite disturbing.

[Kevin]

please bro. nothing is worse than those awful Eli Toyota commercials

Did you just try a chest bump?

You wanna try it again?

No

The moment has passed....

[cougarjake13]

Is that Toyota Eli one a local my thing bc I don't think I've seen it?

[Snoogans]

Is that Toyota Eli one a local my thing bc I don't think I've seen it?

probaly. there is like 5 different ones. they did a couple with the Sanchize too

[Judge Smails]

Though Eli would be shameful in anything he does outside the field of play.

C'mon, you didn't like Football Cops?

[Snoogans]

C'mon, you didn't like Football Cops?

oh man i forgot about that awful shit. Fuckin Eli

[cougarjake13]

C'mon, you didn't like Football Cops?



Now that one I liked

A lil cheesy but I liked it

[Snacks]

i might have to mute my tv to watch the hou vs cincy game. that awful announcer with the lisp who doesnt shut the fuck up from the nfl netowrk is calling the game. how does someone like that get a job? he wasnt a player or at least any player worth anything and he is terrible in the booth!

[spoon]

wow that call was crap

i know it's called all year now, but it's always crap

wtf is the db supposed to do!?

I fucking can't STAND the NFL of late. What an awful era to play db in!

[Kevin]

Losing all you challenges before the half in a playoff game.

Good work Marvin.

[spoon]

classic example of winning in SPITE of the head coach

the better Gruden and two young kids changed this team, not fucking MARVIN

[spoon]

My chick called it perfect, this guy with the lisp sounds just like Ray Ferraro doing hockey games! Even the lisp, their voice, cadence and pretty much everything else is dead on!

Unreal. And what's funny is I LOVE Ray, and this is making me like this guy now bc of it. I married the right fucking chick for HER to notice this too! Fucking AWESOME call, just listen.

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[epo]

Now I'm gonna act like a homer:

That's Wisconsin Badger JJ Watt with the TD baby!

[spoon]

ha!

[epo]

Did you see that sack by Wisconsin Badger JJ Watt?

That's just Wisconsin awesome!

[spoon]

Did you see that sack by Wisconsin Badger JJ Watt?

That's just Wisconsin awesome!

don't you mean wisconesome!?

[HBox]

So Dalton throws a deep corner out of bounds because Simpsons was double covered to the inside and the announcer says "If you're gonna throw that, might as well throw it in bounds." What? That was Simms level stupidity.

[hanso]

http://img.youtube.com/vi/Qwq7BYOnDrM/default.jpg
playoffs?!

Oof, missed first half.

[epo]

don't you mean wisconesome!?

More like Aweconsin!

[Crispy123]

More like Awmyasshurtsconsin!

fixed

[hanso]

This ones pretty much over W/Foster's TD next ones @ 8.

[cougarjake13]

Well I had cinch so I'm behind the 8 ball in the playoff picks thread

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/dO8kIhHdtnAl.jpg

Good use of your signing bonus, son.

[cougarjake13]

Nice tits

[Tenbatsuzen]

Nice tits

The Matty Stafford Special

[underdog]

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/dO8kIhHdtnAl.jpg

Good use of your signing bonus, son.

I sometimes forget that all athletes are giant dick bags.

[Snacks]

I sometimes forget that all athletes are giant dick bags.

dont be jealous.

[Snacks]

I was talking to my brother and my cousin before this det vs no game started and said this is the 1 game that would scare me. I had this weird feeling that if 1 team was due for a let down it is the saints. they have been too "on" and det is one team that could keep up with them offensively while having a good enough defense that if they are on could stop anyone.

I hope they wake up and win for my picks challenge but det looks pretty good right now and the saints looks a little lost. 11 points was a high line, i doubt the saints will cover but will they win? i hope so.

[HBox]

If the Lions lose it will be because they made nothing of these two turnovers. Although one of the refs screwed them over by blowing the whistle and not letting them return that fumble for a TD.

[Crispy_Mobile]

These refs are sumthin else.

[HBox]

These refs are sumthin else.

I'm so accustomed to horrible refereeing this year that this is barely registering. It hasn't been good but it hasn't been horrible either.

[Snacks]

that hand to the face penalty was terrible but thats the league we now have. it sucks

[HBox]

Who would have thought that the Bengals-Texans game would have more first half points?

Good job by the Lions D so far.

[cougarjake13]

Saints will score at least 21 second half points

Lions no more then 7 or 9

[Snacks]

Saints will score at least 21 second half points

Lions no more then 7 or 9

so 31 - 23 final with the saints winning? that would mean it goes under and det covers.

[Snacks]

that was fast and easy! maybe you are right cougar.

[underdog]

dont be jealous.

It's not about the girl (with the terrible boob job) he's hanging out with. It's the hat and the glasses.