2011-12 NFL Season

[Snacks]

That's pretty damn funny because a few seconds after reading your post I checked my email & found this from the Chicago Bears:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/23350953/397843362.jpg

how gay, telling your fans to tweet #BearsAreBack ?

you should be embarrassed to say you are a fan of that team! :dry:

[spe5150]

how gay, telling your fans to tweet #BearsAreBack ?

you should be embarrassed to say you are a fan of that team! :dry:

...says the fan of the team who wears teal. Get back to me when your team grows a set & wears a more manly color, like fuschia, you mo.

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[Judge Smails]

Jay Cutler's stubs toe on bedpost - causes him to pull himself out of remainder of engagement and pending nuptuals. (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/07/25/jay-cutler-defends-kristin-cavallari-after-break-up/)

[spoon]

That's pretty damn funny because a few seconds after reading your post I checked my email & found this from the Chicago Bears:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/23350953/397843362.jpg

We're back, now buy some shit!

unreal

[spoon]

...says the fan of the team who wears teal. Get back to me when your team grows a set & wears a more manly color, like fuschia, you mo.

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We all know real fans/men wear powder blue!

[Snacks]

...says the fan of the team who wears teal. Get back to me when your team grows a set & wears a more manly color, like fuschia, you mo.

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dont hate the colors your team has 2 out of 3 of them as well!

[Snacks]

We all know real fans/men wear powder blue!

Real men have fashion sense! Anyone can be boring with black or a weird dark blue that we want you to think is black but its not!

[spoon]

Jay Cutler's stubs toe on bedpost - causes him to pull himself out of remainder of engagement and pending nuptuals. (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/07/25/jay-cutler-defends-kristin-cavallari-after-break-up/)

Ha, he's the Palin of the NFL, never finishes anything.

Oh and the threats he'll BLOCK/Delete you from twitter, fuck do I hate that shit. I love how fans are encouraged to lick balls but not ever voice an actual opinion. Twitter is just another means of celebrity now to manipulate people further. This fuck meets someone in the FALL and is engaged within the year!? How did it ever fall apart? This cat is just a complete ass.

[Snacks]

...says the fan of the team who wears teal. Get back to me when your team grows a set & wears a more manly color, like fuschia, you mo.

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[spoon]

Real men have fashion sense! Anyone can be boring with black or a weird dark blue that we want you to think is black but its not!

lost me with "weird dark blue"

can i get a better definition as to how dark blue is "weird"!? :wacko:

Perhaps orange and teal is fashionable in Casey Anthony land, but pretty much no other place on earth.

Thank God your team never used this monstrosity bc we all know the dolphin on your team's helmet must have on a cute helmet of it's own! :lol:

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/7/150/full/871.gif

VS.

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/7/150/full/zf80cxhnwesbezfualidnc9ua.gif

[Snacks]

lost me with "weird dark blue"

can i get a better definition as to how dark blue is "weird"!? :wacko:

Perhaps orange and teal is fashionable in Casey Anthony land, but pretty much no other place on earth.

Thank God your team never used this monstrosity bc we all know the dolphin on your team's helmet must have on a cute helmet of it's own! :lol:

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/7/150/full/871.gif

VS.

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/7/150/full/zf80cxhnwesbezfualidnc9ua.gif

first i like both those helemts!

its just a weird color. its almost impossible to tell if its blue or black. they try to trick you thats their cooky chicago bears fashion sense!

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[Snacks]

http://i.imgur.com/hEuVz.jpg

[Snacks]

http://i.imgur.com/wev1s.jpg

A Bears Fan...

[TripleSkeet]

Ravens already told McGahee they are releasing him. Let it begin!

[spoon]

ok now i get you

thought you were saying that about the charger home jerseys


that vid rules!

[spe5150]

first i like both those helemts!

its just a weird color. its almost impossible to tell if its blue or black. they try to trick you thats their cooky chicago bears fashion sense!

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I'm with Lauren...hate those Packers!

Also:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_q3mOmbdYwYU/TLt1exYVp-I/AAAAAAAAATg/y9uTgP8dsHs/s1600/GayDolphin.gif

...and two of your favorite people agree:

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l93j1oMxUB1qa9u2xo1_500.png

[Snacks]

http://i.imgur.com/Rne8S.jpg


Dolphin Fans...

[spoon]

Wow, you can pay hookers to do anything I guess!

Oh and here's a cool uniform site I found.

SD's powder blues have the best rating (albeit low numbers voted) I've seen so far. Miami's uniforms and logos are easily the worst ranked of our three teams.

Sports Logo Site (http://www.sportslogos.net/index.php)

[Snacks]

Wow, you can pay hookers to do anything I guess!

Oh and here's a cool uniform site I found.

SD's powder blues have the best rating (albeit low numbers voted) I've seen so far. Miami's uniforms and logos are easily the worst ranked of our three teams.

Sports Logo Site (http://www.sportslogos.net/index.php)

I dont see anything once there but a site with a couple of links. What should I be looking for?

[spoon]

hit the league and then enter the city or team name and waalaa!

or just enter the team or city up top from the start

[spe5150]

http://i.imgur.com/Rne8S.jpg


Dolphin Fans...

I can't argue with that. Two bald guys & a bunch of hot chicks who couldn't care less what's happening on the field. Which would work great for you, because you would have something nice to take your attention away from the atrocities that takes place between the lines.

PS: never attempt to search Google images for "hot bears fans" & get lazy & hit the search button before completing the phrase with the word "fans"...somethings cannot be unseen.

[spoon]

hot bear fa?

hot bear ans?

YUCK

[Snacks]

hit the league and then enter the city or team name and waalaa!

or just enter the team or city up top from the start

yeah i just looked and almost every bears logo, design, memorial design, alternative design etc has ratings in the 2's and 3's. Even there helmets were rated lower.

What surprised me was that the bolt alone for the charges logo had a 7's rating. its a fucking boring bolt.

[spoon]

What surprised me was that the bolt alone for the charges logo had a 7's rating. its a fucking boring bolt.

get it right fucko! It's THE bolt!

:tongue:

[TripleSkeet]

Todd Heap cut too.

[spoon]

Todd Heap cut too.

if he ever stayed healthy he would have been amazing

[cougarjake13]

lost me with "weird dark blue"

can i get a better definition as to how dark blue is "weird"!? :wacko:

Perhaps orange and teal is fashionable in Casey Anthony land, but pretty much no other place on earth.

Thank God your team never used this monstrosity bc we all know the dolphin on your team's helmet must have on a cute helmet of it's own! :lol:

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/7/150/full/871.gif

VS.

http://www.sportslogos.net/images/logos/7/150/full/zf80cxhnwesbezfualidnc9ua.gif




i kinda like the first one better

[Earlshog]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/07/26/carson-palmer-trade.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp


Owner Mike Brown said on Tuesday that he won't satisfy the quarterback's request for a trade. Brown says that a trade would reward Palmer for failing to play out the rest of his contract. Instead, they'll let him go ahead with his plan to retire rather than play for the Bengals.

Mike Brown is a dipshit. He doesn't want the "inmates running the asylum" yet in Cincinnati he has quite a few inmates. Enjoy another 3 - 13 season.

Does anyone know if Palmer would be able to play in 2015 (theoretically) or does he owe Cincinnati four years whenever (again theoretically) he returns.

[CountryBob]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/07/26/carson-palmer-trade.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp


Owner Mike Brown said on Tuesday that he won't satisfy the quarterback's request for a trade. Brown says that a trade would reward Palmer for failing to play out the rest of his contract. Instead, they'll let him go ahead with his plan to retire rather than play for the Bengals.

Mike Brown is a dipshit. He doesn't want the "inmates running the asylum" yet in Cincinnati he has quite a few inmates. Enjoy another 3 - 13 season.

Does anyone know if Palmer would be able to play in 2015 (theoretically) or does he owe Cincinnati four years whenever (again theoretically) he returns.

Another Barry Sanders situation - fucking waste of talent. They should let Carson buy himself out of his contract - instead of making him decide on sitting at home.

[KnoxHarrington]

Another Barry Sanders situation - fucking waste of talent. They should let Carson buy himself out of his contract - instead of making him decide on sitting at home.

Yeah, this is bullshit. If Palmer hates it so much, and you can get some value of this, trade him. It's not a big dick contest, Brown. Do what's best for the team. Do you really want to basically force the QB to play at gunpoint?

[Earlshog]

Yeah, this is bullshit. If Palmer hates it so much, and you can get some value of this, trade him. It's not a big dick contest, Brown. Do what's best for the team. Do you really want to basically force the QB to play at gunpoint?

that's always good for team chemistry

[Tenbatsuzen]

Nmamdi... come out and plaaaaaaay

[Earlshog]

you know what Palmer should say fuck it Ill play for you. Your team is a joke, a failure but Im hear. Pay me 13 mil so we can go 4 - 12

[Snacks]

I was happy to see Miami signed Pat Devlin. I wanted them to draft him but he fell from 2nd round prediction to not being drafted at all. I like this kid a lot and would love to see him succeed (w/ Miami)! Hopefully Henne has a better year I still like him and dont blame him as much as the coaching staff, specifically the pos O Cord who thankfully retired!

Its amazing how the small things can make a fan happy!

[Snacks]

you know what Palmer should say fuck it Ill play for you. Your team is a joke, a failure but Im hear. Pay me 13 mil so we can go 4 - 12

he should and only come back once the team spends is required salary floor. Then fuck them and make them have to make up his $13 million because they would then be over the cap. Hopefully by coming back he will fuck them out of drafting Luck next season.

Brown is an asshole and 1 of the main reasons we had a lock out in the 1st place. He is pissed that his team doesnt make other revenue that teams like Dallas and other big market teams from advertising revenue. Yet this asshole could make $10 million a year in stadium naming rights but he wants to keep the stadium named after his daddy. Thats a choice he makes, he has had such good teams and he is the reason for them never doing anything.

[hanso]

I was happy to see Miami signed Pat Devlin. I wanted them to draft him but he fell from 2nd round prediction to not being drafted at all. I like this kid a lot and would love to see him succeed (w/ Miami)! Hopefully Henne has a better year I still like him and dont blame him as much as the coaching staff, specifically the pos O Cord who thankfully retired!

Its amazing how the small things can make a fan happy!


Don't know that guy. I was happy to hear Hasselbeck's name bantered about.



Palmer.....arbitration?

[Snacks]

Don't know that guy. I was happy to hear Hasselbeck's name bantered about.



Palmer.....arbitration?

He was a highly rated QB who went to Penn St and transferred to Del. He was rated as high as a 1st rounder (late) but then had a bad east west shrine game and then he was late to meetings on his pro day so when the draft started they expected him to go 2nd round but maybe as later as the 4th round. When he kept falling I was hoping Miami would dradft him in the 3rd or 4th and then the 7th and they didnt. Now we were able to sign him and I couldnt be happier!

He was 1 of 3 QBs I wanted them to draft I wanted Mallett, Dalton,and then Devlin. I thought we could get Mallett in the 3rd (we could have) and Devlin in the 3rd or 4th. I thought Gabbert was the best QB in the draft but knew we had no chance and didnt want to take a QB that early anyway! Dalton was just a guy I liked because hes a winner and might be the most NFL ready!

[hanso]

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http://i.imgur.com/dXSS4.jpg

[epo]

Nmamdi... come out and plaaaaaaay

You'll need cap space for that. The Jets don't have the proper amount.

[cougarjake13]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/07/26/carson-palmer-trade.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp


Owner Mike Brown said on Tuesday that he won't satisfy the quarterback's request for a trade. Brown says that a trade would reward Palmer for failing to play out the rest of his contract. Instead, they'll let him go ahead with his plan to retire rather than play for the Bengals.

Mike Brown is a dipshit. He doesn't want the "inmates running the asylum" yet in Cincinnati he has quite a few inmates. Enjoy another 3 - 13 season.

Does anyone know if Palmer would be able to play in 2015 (theoretically) or does he owe Cincinnati four years whenever (again theoretically) he returns.




he owes them the years ... so whenever that is that he returns its four years from that


kinda sux for the players cause they gotta play out the contract which is not guaranteed but the team can cut him or any player at any time and not pay out the whole deal

[TripleSkeet]

You'll need cap space for that. The Jets don't have the proper amount.

Chris Mortenson said on Twitter they are real deal contenders for him.

Cant wait to see McNabb in Minnesota. Got there 2 years and 1 head coach too late.

[King Imp]

Ugh, I can't believe they are seriously talking about Plaxico Burress coming back to the Giants. I cannot stand that lazy piece of shit and want him nowhere near my team.

[TripleSkeet]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82101f05/article/asomugha-island-jets-reportedly-talking-with-freeagent-cb

[spoon]

Yeah, this is bullshit. If Palmer hates it so much, and you can get some value of this, trade him. It's not a big dick contest, Brown. Do what's best for the team. Do you really want to basically force the QB to play at gunpoint?

Or do you want to set a precedent that all you have to do is threaten to retire (which HE WON'T) and you'll get whatever you want there. Sorry, Brown is an idiot for keeping his coach and players that are constant headaches and issues, but this is his call. Palmer is under contract, play it out and try to work out the issued in private.

[spoon]

Nmamdi... come out and plaaaaaaay

we don't even have to be arguing for you to flat out make me sick to my stomach

:wallbash:

[spoon]

you know what Palmer should say fuck it Ill play for you. Your team is a joke, a failure but Im hear. Pay me 13 mil so we can go 4 - 12

It's not like he's helped at ALL since that pitt playoff game. Their only good year was when they handed off all day and even then his stats weren't great. Look at last year, he had some good wideouts, albeit aging, but good enough and he simply wasn't good. Lord knows if you make the playoffs and look pretty good for a full year being a run first team, everyone knows you sign a ball hog wr and throw to two prima donas all day via a guy who hasn't been good for a while in the NFL so you can suck like normal. Palmer is a cog in the shitty machine that is Cincy. And MAN does that coach SUCK!

[disneyspy]

we don't even have to be arguing for you to flat out make me sick to my stomach

:wallbash:

tssss ssss you should try a tums or sumpthin

[spoon]

:lol:

[Earlshog]

Or do you want to set a precedent that all you have to do is threaten to retire (which HE WON'T) and you'll get whatever you want there. Sorry, Brown is an idiot for keeping his coach and players that are constant headaches and issues, but this is his call. Palmer is under contract, play it out and try to work out the issued in private.

He will sit out this year. Like snacks said he will fuck them up with the salary cap next year. I understand your point but it just doesn't make any sense. The guy wants out and you make you team better by dumping him. You keep him and you have a circus that won't end.

[Earlshog]

It's not like he's helped at ALL since that pitt playoff game. Their only good year was when they handed off all day and even then his stats weren't great. Look at last year, he had some good wideouts, albeit aging, but good enough and he simply wasn't good. Lord knows if you make the playoffs and look pretty good for a full year being a run first team, everyone knows you sign a ball hog wr and throw to two prima donas all day via a guy who hasn't been good for a while in the NFL so you can suck like normal. Palmer is a cog in the shitty machine that is Cincy. And MAN does that coach SUCK!

Even more reason to dump him. Use Bruce Garkowski, or Daulton, or Tyler Thigpen this year. When you finish up 2 - 14 draft Luck as your QB of the future. If you would have traded Palmer to Seattle or The Skins you pick up and extra second round pick. Right now all Brown has is his dick in his hand

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's funny how Brown talks about how a contract is a commitment, yet teams don't have any issue cutting players who are still under contract.

Contracts mean nothing in the NFL, so it's hilarious hearing an owner talking about "agreeing to a commitment".

[underdog]

It's funny how Brown talks about how a contract is a commitment, yet teams don't have any issue cutting players who are still under contract.

Contracts mean nothing in the NFL, so it's hilarious hearing an owner talking about "agreeing to a commitment".

Yeah, owners like to pretend they're great people who don't fuck over the players every chance they get.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You'll need cap space for that. The Jets don't have the proper amount.

Chris Mortenson said on Twitter they are real deal contenders for him.



Sanchez has said he's willing to re-do his contract in order to help the team.

Plus I don't understand what people are saying that Nmamdi is going to be so expensive. HE WALKED AWAY FROM THE RICHEST CB CONTRACT IN THE NFL that was severely overvalued. He wants to play for a winner.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yeah, owners like to pretend they're great people who don't fuck over the players every chance they get.

And it's awesome that Jemele Hill had to play the race card, like "what if an African American player did this..."

An African American player DID do this before. His name was Barry Sanders.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Schefter and Schein report Santonio re-signs with the Jets, 5 years/24 mill, left money on the table.

If this is true... they are seriously gonna make a push for Nmamdi.

[CountryBob]

It's funny how Brown talks about how a contract is a commitment, yet teams don't have any issue cutting players who are still under contract.

Contracts mean nothing in the NFL, so it's hilarious hearing an owner talking about "agreeing to a commitment".

Yeah - look at the Hanesworth situation. The Skins have paid him huge for doing nothing but being a major distraction on and off the field, and bitching and complaining etc...

[Earlshog]

Schefter and Schein report Santonio re-signs with the Jets, 5 years/24 mill, left money on the table.

If this is true... they are seriously gonna make a push for Nmamdi.


24 mil sounds way to cheap.... I would think it would be closer to $50.. Have to wait and see...

[Earlshog]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6807886/new-york-jets-agree-deal-santonio-holmes-sources-say

Holmes' deal, believed to be in the $10 million-a-year range, is so big that it probably means they can't afford to re-sign Braylon Edwards, another high-profile free agent. Edwards is coming off a strong season, but the Jets prioritized Holmes because of his speed and game-changing ability.

[CountryBob]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6807886/new-york-jets-agree-deal-santonio-holmes-sources-say

Holmes' deal, believed to be in the $10 million-a-year range, is so big that it probably means they can't afford to re-sign Braylon Edwards, another high-profile free agent. Edwards is coming off a strong season, but the Jets prioritized Holmes because of his speed and game-changing ability.

Shit - I was hoping the Skins could get him....

[Earlshog]

Shit - I was hoping the Skins could get him....

They resigned Moss and got Dante Stallworth....

Who is gonna be the QB is my question?

[Tenbatsuzen]

24 mil sounds way to cheap.... I would think it would be closer to $50.. Have to wait and see...

My bad. 24 guaranteed, 50 over all.

Think this means they are cutting ties with Braylon.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dumb question that may be forgotten about - was Braylon ever punished by the league for the DUI? I know the Jets sat him, but did Goodell actually come in and punish him? The fact that he pleaded guilty could mean the League could suspend him, and they did not suspend him for the incident with Lebron's entourage before he came to the Jets.

Now that I think about it, I don't think Braylon was suspended, so I question what the Commissioner will do.

[TripleSkeet]

Or do you want to set a precedent that all you have to do is threaten to retire (which HE WON'T) and you'll get whatever you want there. Sorry, Brown is an idiot for keeping his coach and players that are constant headaches and issues, but this is his call. Palmer is under contract, play it out and try to work out the issued in private.

You set the precedent. This is the NFL. When a player demands a trade, you trade him. You dont keep him to make a point while punishing your team and its fanbase in the process. Oh and there is no way he wears a Bengals uniform this year. Even if that means he "retires".

Under contract means dick. I cant wait to see how many stupid Eagles fans start turning on Desean Jackson to "honor his contract". Fuck that. If he takes one play without redoing his deal hes stupid. If I was him Id say Ill honor my contract, once the NFL has to start honoring them.

[Snacks]

Sanchez has said he's willing to re-do his contract in order to help the team.

Plus I don't understand what people are saying that Nmamdi is going to be so expensive. HE WALKED AWAY FROM THE RICHEST CB CONTRACT IN THE NFL that was severely overvalued. He wants to play for a winner.

Sanchez isnt going to do shit unless he gets more in bonus or an extension while restructuring.

If I recall Oakland decided to let him walk not the other way around? Wasnt it the club option and they decided not to pick it up?

[Snacks]

You set the precedent. This is the NFL. When a player demands a trade, you trade him. You dont keep him to make a point while punishing your team and its fanbase in the process. Oh and there is no way he wears a Bengals uniform this year. Even if that means he "retires".

Under contract means dick. I cant wait to see how many stupid Eagles fans start turning on Desean Jackson to "honor his contract". Fuck that. If he takes one play without redoing his deal hes stupid. If I was him Id say Ill honor my contract, once the NFL has to start honoring them.

When the lockout happened I can see both sides of the argument and hate Goddell and Demaurice equally, they are both douches. But once a player signs his contract I will side with the player usually on these issues because the players contract never really benefits him. At anytime the player can be cut or traded (not many nfl players have no trade clauses). Yet if they want to be cut or traded owners then want to live up to that contract, fuck them cant have it both ways. Palmer should be released, he has been a good player and teammate for that shitty organization with no help.

[CountryBob]

They resigned Moss and got Dante Stallworth....

Who is gonna be the QB is my question?

Stallworth? I havent seen that anywhere

[Snacks]

Sanchez isnt going to do shit unless he gets more in bonus or an extension while restructuring.

If I recall Oakland decided to let him walk not the other way around? Wasnt it the club option and they decided not to pick it up?

On January 9, 2011 ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that Nnamdi Asomugha's contract will void, making him an unrestricted free agent. Asomugha's contract contained a complicated little known clause that voided the deal if the star cornerback failed to achieve certain incentives. The contract also prevents the Oakland Raiders from being able to use their franchise tag on him. If he does not re-sign with the Oakland Raiders once free agency hits, the 30-year-old will be considered the top defensive player on the market.

Dont know for sure, but that sounds like it could have been either a voided contract by the team or by him. If it was void because he didnt achieve incentives that would probably mean he didnt do well enough so they could void the contract. I hope the Jets do sign him. Hes already 30 and will cost them a lot of money. When free agency started he said he wanted $20 mil a year. If he takes less then $14 or $15 I would be shocked!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Snacks, Sanchez said straight up on the record he wants to restructure his contract to help the team win. That's not speculation, that is fact.

As for NMAMDI, he opted out of the contract. It was his decision. He was allowed to do so if certain numbers for both personal and team numbers were not met, if memory serves. This was not a team decision.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I read up on the Asomugha contract. Basically, it was his decision because the clause states he can void his contract if the incentives are not met AND THE RAIDERS COULD NOT FRANCHISE HIM. That's the key part. The reason why he didn't hit his incentives is because he was injured for two games last year.

[Snacks]

Snacks, Sanchez said straight up on the record he wants to restructure his contract to help the team win. That's not speculation, that is fact.

As for NMAMDI, he opted out of the contract. It was his decision. He was allowed to do so if certain numbers for both personal and team numbers were not met, if memory serves. This was not a team decision.

I heard Sanchez say it and have heard many many players say that in the past too! He also said "I or Reavis or whatever" should do it. Lets see him do it and as reported he would get an extension and signing bonus so it wouldnt cost him anything! Dont make it out that this guy is such a great team leader and will be leaving money on the table!

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/1/2/1908968/sunday-morning-bloody-mary-oakland-in-kansas-city-usually-means-blood

Like I said earlier he didnt opt out HE didnt live up to HIS contract so it voided.

I need a Bloody Mary...Seriously. I got a tear in my eye when I heard the news that Nnamdi is leaving Oakland.

Apparently he did not live up to his contract and there is an option that automatically terminates it?!?! Please say it isn't so!

His effect on the city of Oakland will be gone? He is more than just a Raider, he is hope for all of the children in Oakland and if he really does leave the impact will run deeper than just football.

(UPDATE: Nnamdi's contract was automatically voided due to terminology that stated if he did not have as many defensive reps in 2010 as in 2009 or increase either his interception, fumble recovery or sack total he would be unconditionally released. Nnamdi is now a Free Agent)

Sounds to me he didnt have any choice.

[Earlshog]

Stallworth? I havent seen that anywhere

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/donte-stallworth-sees-plenty-of-familiar-faces-on-redskins-roster/2011/07/27/gIQAMZr0cI_blog.html

[Earlshog]

Stallworth? I havent seen that anywhere

They also picked up Jabar Gaffney for Jermy Jarmon

[Tenbatsuzen]

I heard Sanchez say it and have heard many many players say that in the past too! He also said "I or Reavis or whatever" should do it. Lets see him do it and as reported he would get an extension and signing bonus so it wouldnt cost him anything! Dont make it out that this guy is such a great team leader and will be leaving money on the table!

You somehow turned "restructure my contract" into "taking a paycut". That's not what anyone said.



Like I said earlier he didnt opt out HE didnt live up to HIS contract so it voided.

Sounds to me he didnt have any choice.

Do you think that part of the contract was put in there by the raiders? Seriously? That clause was put in there specifically so he could get out if he wanted to.

Live up to his contract? He was a Pro Bowl and All-Pro selection last year.

I love it when Snacks gets scared or if anyone tries to debate with him, he tries to poison the conversation. Point in reference: He's scared Asomugha is going to the Jets, so Nmamdi is "too old" and the "Raiders didn't want him" for "not living up to his contract".

[Snacks]

You somehow turned "restructure my contract" into "taking a paycut". That's not what anyone said.



Do you think that part of the contract was put in there by the raiders? Seriously? That clause was put in there specifically so he could get out if he wanted to.

Live up to his contract? He was a Pro Bowl and All-Pro selection last year.

I love it when Snacks gets scared or if anyone tries to debate with him, he tries to poison the conversation. Point in reference: He's scared Asomugha is going to the Jets, so Nmamdi is "too old" and the "Raiders didn't want him" for "not living up to his contract".

Im not scared Im actually going by the actual words of an article/contract. You are the one who is trying to make words fit your argument because you cant see the forest through the trees. Far from scared, like I said I HOPE he signs with the Jets so you can have 1/4 of your overall salary cap with 2 DBs that IMO are overrated and overpaid!

That was put in there for the Raiders to get out of overpaying him. Not saying it didnt benefit the player in the end but the raiders are a stupid organization and many people couldnt understand why they signed him to such a big contract like that in the first place. When they gave him that contact every analyst laughed and couldnt understand that much money for him. Even though he was a stud he wasnt worth that much especially at the time when they gave it to him.

The only reason you even like this guy now is that he might be a jet but once or if hes not you will then focus and praise some other loser because hes on your team. So blinded by ugly puke green and white its sad!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm not going to get into a contract debate here. Unless we know the complete ins and outs of Nmamdi's contract and what was said before the stipulation was executed (and we have no idea about this), I think unless he signs with the Raiders, it's pretty much a lock he wanted out of Oakland.

Oakland has the money to keep him, Al Davis apparently loved the kid, so unless he goes back, you have to accept this was decision by Asomugha, not a Raiders' team decision.

Remember - contracts in the NFL are ESPECIALLY fluid. If Asomugha wanted to stay, he could have discussed with his agent to renegotiate the contract on that stip.

[King Imp]

I really don't follow college football, so I don't know much about the guy, but in regards to the Carson Palmer situation have they ever even considered giving his brother Jordan a shot or does he suck so bad that it's not even an option?

[sailor]

Too late.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Im not scared Im actually going by the actual words of an article/contract.

You have Asomugha's contract in front of you? You know exactly what it says? You know what negotiations (if any) happened between the Raiders and Asomugha? You're going by the words of sportswriters who said Noel Devine was going to the Falcons and Leinhart to the Seahawks? The same sportswriters who whiteknighted Tom Cable for kicking the shit out of an assistant but if a college coach did the same thing they'd kill him for it?

That was put in there for the Raiders to get out of overpaying him. Not saying it didnt benefit the player in the end but the raiders are a stupid organization and many people couldnt understand why they signed him to such a big contract like that in the first place.

Then why not just cut him if they didn't want to overpay him? There's still a cap hit but there wouldn't be so much money coming out of pocket. This isn't a standard clause in a contract which means it was inserted by Asomugha's people.

I'm not saying the contract wasn't overvalued but he already collected 30 million on it and he was in his last year. The Raiders were obviously blindsided by this because the quotes from the Raiders FO were basically "we need to see how this affects us when the new CBA is ratified."


The only reason you even like this guy now is that he might be a jet but once or if hes not you will then focus and praise some other loser because hes on your team. So blinded by ugly puke green and white its sad!

The difference between you and me is that I can respect other players even if they play for teams I hate. Remember, I liked Chad Pennington and Pat White even though they played for the Dolphins. I had no issue with Jason Taylor when he came to the Jets, even though I thought he was over the hill.

If Asomugha comes to the Jets, and the deal is fair, I will be happy. But if it makes the team suffer for years down the road, I won't be. But the Jets have a young team with a lot of the main anchors under contract for a few more years. So we'll just have to see.

[Snacks]

Great article by Prisco about Holmes and how hes not worth it. Keep overpaying, please Jets keep it up!

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/30910315

[Snacks]

You have Asomugha's contract in front of you? You know exactly what it says? You know what negotiations (if any) happened between the Raiders and Asomugha? You're going by the words of sportswriters who said Noel Devine was going to the Falcons and Leinhart to the Seahawks? The same sportswriters who whiteknighted Tom Cable for kicking the shit out of an assistant but if a college coach did the same thing they'd kill him for it?



Then why not just cut him if they didn't want to overpay him? There's still a cap hit but there wouldn't be so much money coming out of pocket. This isn't a standard clause in a contract which means it was inserted by Asomugha's people.

I'm not saying the contract wasn't overvalued but he already collected 30 million on it and he was in his last year. The Raiders were obviously blindsided by this because the quotes from the Raiders FO were basically "we need to see how this affects us when the new CBA is ratified."



The difference between you and me is that I can respect other players even if they play for teams I hate. Remember, I liked Chad Pennington and Pat White even though they played for the Dolphins. I had no issue with Jason Taylor when he came to the Jets, even though I thought he was over the hill.

If Asomugha comes to the Jets, and the deal is fair, I will be happy. But if it makes the team suffer for years down the road, I won't be. But the Jets have a young team with a lot of the main anchors under contract for a few more years. So we'll just have to see.

See that is the difference because you are a clown for anything Jets. I actually like players on almost every team. You liked Pennington because he was a Jet first thats why. I still love Jason Taylor even though he wore those puke green jerseys. I still like LT even though he acted and talked a lot different once becoming a Jet. I even like Rex, he is an asshole but hes funny and gives everyone something to laugh at!

[Snacks]

Hasselbeck signs 3 year $21 million deal with Titans. Terrible deal. Hes going to be 36 and shouldnt be anything more then a back up. I actually like him and hes had a nice career but hes done and cant stay healthy. At this price they should have stuck with VY!

[spoon]

Even more reason to dump him. Use Bruce Garkowski, or Daulton, or Tyler Thigpen this year. When you finish up 2 - 14 draft Luck as your QB of the future. If you would have traded Palmer to Seattle or The Skins you pick up and extra second round pick. Right now all Brown has is his dick in his hand

My argument isn't that Mike Brown is a good owner or anything of that nature, but his stance here is logical and makes sense moving forward with EVERY contract players on his team signs. The value of Palmer too is up bc teams know they have to wow him to move him. It's not only a great stance to take, it may very well get his point out there to others and he'll still eventually trade him for MORE. If he's smart he would make Palmer come to camp first to even have the trade be approved and keep his mouth shut. In a history of shitty moves and logic by Brown, if he plays this out right it'll be a rare good move for him.

[spoon]

It's funny how Brown talks about how a contract is a commitment, yet teams don't have any issue cutting players who are still under contract.

Contracts mean nothing in the NFL, so it's hilarious hearing an owner talking about "agreeing to a commitment".

It's a good point, but it still doesn't mean it's right to just let a player walk any time they get pissy. Not to mention, the bulk of players with any ability to demand a trade have tons of guaranteed money, as Palmer does.

[Earlshog]

Hasselbeck signs 3 year $21 million deal with Titans. Terrible deal. Hes going to be 36 and shouldnt be anything more then a back up. I actually like him and hes had a nice career but hes done and cant stay healthy. At this price they should have stuck with VY!

Years are meaningless...

how much is guaranteed?

[spoon]

Yeah - look at the Hanesworth situation. The Skins have paid him huge for doing nothing but being a major distraction on and off the field, and bitching and complaining etc...

That's the skins mo I thought! They seem to do it A LOT!

[spoon]

Holmes' deal, believed to be in the $10 million-a-year range, is so big that it probably means they can't afford to re-sign Braylon Edwards, another high-profile free agent. Edwards is coming off a strong season, but the Jets prioritized Holmes because of his speed and game-changing ability.

Also prioritized bc he catches the ball and isn't in more legal trouble.



Dumb question that may be forgotten about - was Braylon ever punished by the league for the DUI? I know the Jets sat him, but did Goodell actually come in and punish him? The fact that he pleaded guilty could mean the League could suspend him, and they did not suspend him for the incident with Lebron's entourage before he came to the Jets.

Now that I think about it, I don't think Braylon was suspended, so I question what the Commissioner will do.


Yah, sat for a series. As you would say, "good on you" Rex/Jets!

He'll get a call from the commish soon enough, but should have actually been hit back with the Jets.

[spoon]

Sanchez isnt going to do shit unless he gets more in bonus or an extension while restructuring.

If I recall Oakland decided to let him walk not the other way around? Wasnt it the club option and they decided not to pick it up?

Aren't we used to this by now? Tenbats will literally change history and look past all types of shit to make any Jet look better or their team look better. Hell, this is only a POSSIBLE jet and already he's playing up his TEAM first winning desires. For f's sake, the guy wants his money AND team of choice, not a small contract in NY to play for the love of the game for a foot fetish fat mouthed fuck.

[spoon]

Snacks, Sanchez said straight up on the record he wants to restructure his contract to help the team win. That's not speculation, that is fact.

As for NMAMDI, he opted out of the contract. It was his decision. He was allowed to do so if certain numbers for both personal and team numbers were not met, if memory serves. This was not a team decision.

Tenbats, it's still means zero until he ACTUALLY does it. He could say a lot of things but backing them up is completely different. It's a nice gesture, but I doubt it actually happens.

[Jujubees2]

Hasselbeck signs 3 year $21 million deal with Titans. Terrible deal. Hes going to be 36 and shouldnt be anything more then a back up. I actually like him and hes had a nice career but hes done and cant stay healthy. At this price they should have stuck with VY!

Years are meaningless...

how much is guaranteed?

Yeah the only thing years mean in an NFL contract is that the contract is averaged over that period for salary cap calculations. That's why NFL players get big signing bonuses.

[spoon]

You somehow turned "restructure my contract" into "taking a paycut". That's not what anyone said.



Do you think that part of the contract was put in there by the raiders? Seriously? That clause was put in there specifically so he could get out if he wanted to.

Live up to his contract? He was a Pro Bowl and All-Pro selection last year.

I love it when Snacks gets scared or if anyone tries to debate with him, he tries to poison the conversation. Point in reference: He's scared Asomugha is going to the Jets, so Nmamdi is "too old" and the "Raiders didn't want him" for "not living up to his contract".

The Raiders overpaid for the guy even IF he hit every point of his contract, so I'm willing to bet it was in there for the team, not the player. His contract was simply INSANE and he wouldn't have signed again in Oak if he actually cared so much about winning. He says that now so he can make the best of this situation, and show lesser teams it'll take BIG MONEY to get him. Let's see how this plays out before we deem he's some team player and willing to take less than his current value to play for a winner. I soooo hope he signs with the Browns or Bengals for HUGE money just to shut up Tenbats and or see him talk about how NA isn't a team guy and money chaser. Probably won't happen, but hey it would be hilarious.

OH and your breakdown on Snacks is HILARIOUS! HE TRIES TO POISON the conversation? He's scared too? Wow you have some funny shit swirling in that head. He's saying he'll BE too old at the tail end of the contract and it's probably true, even if he went to SD. That's a clear issue with him signing long term if he can't move to the SS/FS position easily. Trust me, he currently makes ANY team better, but at the same time will be taking a HUGE chunk out of their cap space. If anything, the Jets would be putting way too much money at one position, but this might be their big move to "go for broke" in the next few years since they feel they are close.

[spoon]

...

Plus I don't understand what people are saying that Nmamdi is going to be so expensive. HE WALKED AWAY FROM THE RICHEST CB CONTRACT IN THE NFL that was severely overvalued. He wants to play for a winner.

I'm not going to get into a contract debate here. Unless we know the complete ins and outs of Nmamdi's contract and what was said before the stipulation was executed (and we have no idea about this), I think unless he signs with the Raiders, it's pretty much a lock he wanted out of Oakland.

Oakland has the money to keep him, Al Davis apparently loved the kid, so unless he goes back, you have to accept this was decision by Asomugha, not a Raiders' team decision.

Remember - contracts in the NFL are ESPECIALLY fluid. If Asomugha wanted to stay, he could have discussed with his agent to renegotiate the contract on that stip.

So you start by making a claim in bold about said contract bc you didn't know for sure and you're "not going to get into a contract debate here"? For fuck's sake you started teh fucking debate based on your JET speculation bc you have a hard on at the thought he'd be a Jet soon. And now you refuse to talk contracts bc people called YOU OUT in not being able to know for sure bc we can't know for sure? Hilarious!

If he doesn't sign with the Raiders it doesn't mean he wanted out any more than it could mean they don't see him in their rebuild any longer. You can't just make a claim right by making it. I love your circular logic! It's never influenced by the Jet's being your favorite team AT ALL! Unreal that we are even arguing this at all, but it's fucking comical and fun as hell to see it go down.

[spoon]

You have Asomugha's contract in front of you? You know exactly what it says? You know what negotiations (if any) happened between the Raiders and Asomugha? You're going by the words of sportswriters who said Noel Devine was going to the Falcons and Leinhart to the Seahawks? The same sportswriters who whiteknighted Tom Cable for kicking the shit out of an assistant but if a college coach did the same thing they'd kill him for it?



Then why not just cut him if they didn't want to overpay him? There's still a cap hit but there wouldn't be so much money coming out of pocket. This isn't a standard clause in a contract which means it was inserted by Asomugha's people.

I'm not saying the contract wasn't overvalued but he already collected 30 million on it and he was in his last year. The Raiders were obviously blindsided by this because the quotes from the Raiders FO were basically "we need to see how this affects us when the new CBA is ratified."



The difference between you and me is that I can respect other players even if they play for teams I hate. Remember, I liked Chad Pennington and Pat White even though they played for the Dolphins. I had no issue with Jason Taylor when he came to the Jets, even though I thought he was over the hill.

If Asomugha comes to the Jets, and the deal is fair, I will be happy. But if it makes the team suffer for years down the road, I won't be. But the Jets have a young team with a lot of the main anchors under contract for a few more years. So we'll just have to see.

HA! So much for not talking contracts huh?! Snacks stated before he didn't know for sure but he wasn't the one who made the original claim he knew. That was you dummy.


Here's Snack's words in the early debate before he actually did some more research. Something you may want to do before you spout off as usual whenever it involves the Jets in any way. Now I hope he takes less to go play for the Pats and destroys you every time you match up. And I hate the pats too. Teams/fans like the Jets make past hated teams look so much more likable.
Dont know for sure, but that sounds like it could have been either a voided contract by the team or by him. If it was void because he didnt achieve incentives that would probably mean he didnt do well enough so they could void the contract. I hope the Jets do sign him. Hes already 30 and will cost them a lot of money. When free agency started he said he wanted $20 mil a year. If he takes less then $14 or $15 I would be shocked!

[spoon]

Hasselbeck signs 3 year $21 million deal with Titans. Terrible deal. Hes going to be 36 and shouldnt be anything more then a back up. I actually like him and hes had a nice career but hes done and cant stay healthy. At this price they should have stuck with VY!

He will be a mentor for their rook qb and they have some good ties bt each other. On the surface it looks iffy, but to me it's not such a bad move since they weren't willing to pay the players needed to get Kolb and are investing in their draft pick. To be honest, good deal in the end. He's a mentor, good stopgap and can win games vet style as they did with Kerry Collins did for a while. He'll bring stability and a vet presence needed in the huddle for the young coach that finally gets to work with his players. Hell, he's gonna be handing off to CJ, so that helps too.

[spoon]

Ewww, Cincy basically says f u to Palmer for sure by signing, get this, BRUCE GRADKOWSKI to a 2 year deal to fill the gap until their rook is ready. They have three fucking ATROCIOUS qbs right now!

[hanso]

Even more reason to dump him. Use Bruce Garkowski, or Daulton, or Tyler Thigpen this year. When you finish up 2 - 14 draft Luck as your QB of the future. If you would have traded Palmer to Seattle or The Skins you pick up and extra second round pick. Right now all Brown has is his dick in his hand

Tyler Thigpen to the Bills is what I heard today.

[cougarjake13]

My argument isn't that Mike Brown is a good owner or anything of that nature, but his stance here is logical and makes sense moving forward with EVERY contract players on his team signs. The value of Palmer too is up bc teams know they have to wow him to move him. It's not only a great stance to take, it may very well get his point out there to others and he'll still eventually trade him for MORE. If he's smart he would make Palmer come to camp first to even have the trade be approved and keep his mouth shut. In a history of shitty moves and logic by Brown, if he plays this out right it'll be a rare good move for him.



yeh i was thinking thats his ulterior motive to drive up the price for carson

[cougarjake13]

I really don't follow college football, so I don't know much about the guy, but in regards to the Carson Palmer situation have they ever even considered giving his brother Jordan a shot or does he suck so bad that it's not even an option?

he used to be on the bengals as carsons back up

not sure if he got any playing time

[spoon]

Breaston to the Chiefs, Rice to Seattle.

[cougarjake13]

Breaston to the Chiefs, Rice to Seattle.

maybe they can get hutch to go back to seattle and re name the team the seattle west coast vikings

[Snacks]

Rice signs with Seattle for 5 years $41 million

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/30922998

So with this I ask the question. Who would you rather have at their current contract? Santonio Holmes who has never had a top 10 season, had more then 55 catches 1 time, avgs 5 td a season and is 1 failed drug test from being suspened for a full season. Contract of 5 years $50 million or $10 million a ywar

Rice has only had 1 good year 83 catches, 1300 yards and 8 tds, but other then that has never done much. He was hurt last year but did look good after coming back from his injury. Contract 5 years $41 million or $8 million a year?

[cougarjake13]

Rice signs with Seattle for 5 years $41 million

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/30922998

So with this I ask the question. Who would you rather have at their current contract? Santonio Holmes who has never had a top 10 season, had more then 55 catches 1 time, avgs 5 td a season and is 1 failed drug test from being suspened for a full season. Contract of 5 years $50 million or $10 million a ywar

Rice has only had 1 good year 83 catches, 1300 yards and 8 tds, but other then that has never done much. He was hurt last year but did look good after coming back from his injury. Contract 5 years $41 million or $8 million a year?




deals are irrelevant as they can cut em at any time and not have to pay out full deal cept for whatevers guaranteed


so taking that out of equation i go with guy who is younger and taller

although depending on ur team needs you might need a homerun hitter like holmes to go deep and stretch the field, esp if u already have a rice type wr on roster

[Snacks]

deals are irrelevant as they can cut em at any time and not have to pay out full deal cept for whatevers guaranteed


so taking that out of equation i go with guy who is younger and taller

although depending on ur team needs you might need a homerun hitter like holmes to go deep and stretch the field, esp if u already have a rice type wr on roster

Holmes guarantee is $24 million, I believe Rice has an $18 million guarantee.

[TripleSkeet]

Rice signs with Seattle for 5 years $41 million

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/30922998

So with this I ask the question. Who would you rather have at their current contract? Santonio Holmes who has never had a top 10 season, had more then 55 catches 1 time, avgs 5 td a season and is 1 failed drug test from being suspened for a full season. Contract of 5 years $50 million or $10 million a ywar

Rice has only had 1 good year 83 catches, 1300 yards and 8 tds, but other then that has never done much. He was hurt last year but did look good after coming back from his injury. Contract 5 years $41 million or $8 million a year?

LMAO So who is McNabb going to throw to this year? Percy Harvin?

[spoon]

LMAO So who is McNabb going to throw to this year? Percy Harvin?

come on, you of all people should know that answer...the other team

OHhhhhhh!

[TripleSkeet]

come on, you of all people should know that answer...the other team

OHhhhhhh!

:clap::clap::clap:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Holmes guarantee is $24 million, I believe Rice has an $18 million guarantee.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the guaranteed money changes if he fails a drug test and is suspended. I'm not sure how it affects the cap, but I'm nearly positive that players suspended by the NFL are not paid.

[spoon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the guaranteed money changes if he fails a drug test and is suspended. I'm not sure how it affects the cap, but I'm nearly positive that players suspended by the NFL are not paid.

Stop getting into contracts!

[Justice4all]

DeAngelo Williams stays with the Panthers. I'm a little shocked. I thought he'd want to go to a playoff contender.

Right now they're talking about Plaxico going to either NY or Pitt. I'd like to see him come back to the Giants. Might keep a few more of those 25 ints from happening again.

And Reggie Bush to the Dolphins??? (maybe)

[spoon]

DeAngelo Williams stays with the Panthers. I'm a little shocked. I thought he'd want to go to a playoff contender.

Right now they're talking about Plaxico going to either NY or Pitt. I'd like to see him come back to the Giants. Might keep a few more of those 25 ints from happening again.

And Reggie Bush to the Dolphins??? (maybe)

And it begins again!

Season must officially be good to go, the retard saw Eli's shadow!

[razorboy]

Having decided they have amassed too many draft picks, the Patriots give a fifth rounder away. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6811622/albert-haynesworth-washington-redskins-traded-new-england-patriots-sources-say?campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

[underdog]

Having decided they have amassed too many draft picks, the Patriots give a fifth rounder away. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6811622/albert-haynesworth-washington-redskins-traded-new-england-patriots-sources-say?campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Well, good move if it works out. Easy to cut, if it doesn't.

[Jujubees2]

Having decided they have amassed too many draft picks, the Patriots give a fifth rounder away. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6811622/albert-haynesworth-washington-redskins-traded-new-england-patriots-sources-say?campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Wow, that will be one interesting locker room now. Let's see those Patriot veterans get Haynesworth in line!

[underdog]

You'll need cap space for that. The Jets don't have the proper amount.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Jets are more than $10 million UNDER salary cap, according to two NFL capologists. Might make the Jets the favorite to land Nnamdi Asomugha.

Damn it.

[CountryBob]

Just because I am a Skins fan - I predict that Hanesworth will have a Pro Bowl year with the Pats now. And that will fucking rub me raw - cock sucker wasted my time since we got him.

[TripleSkeet]

Having decided they have amassed too many draft picks, the Patriots give a fifth rounder away. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6811622/albert-haynesworth-washington-redskins-traded-new-england-patriots-sources-say?campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Im so dissapointed the Eagles didnt fucking try and get him. Bob youre right, Haynesworth is gonna kick ass in New England, if for nothing else just to make Shanahan look bad. Between letting him get away, signing Babin instead of going after Ray Edwards, taking forever to trade Kolb and not giving Jackson what he deserves Im officially over Andy Reid. I cant fucking stand him.

[CountryBob]

Im so dissapointed the Eagles didnt fucking try and get him. Bob youre right, Haynesworth is gonna kick ass in New England, if for nothing else just to make Shanahan look bad. Between letting him get away, signing Babin instead of going after Ray Edwards, taking forever to trade Kolb and not giving Jackson what he deserves Im officially over Andy Reid. I cant fucking stand him.

I agree - though he should have been replaced a few seasons ago. Being Ex. VP of football operations may not be his strong suit....But he did make the McNabb trade to Washington happen (trading within the division - are you crazy?) which looks great now because it fucked the Skins up for a year...

BTW... I am a big Vick fan. I went to VT and am glad to see that he rebounded from the canine capers.

[Earlshog]

Im so dissapointed the Eagles didnt fucking try and get him. Bob youre right, Haynesworth is gonna kick ass in New England, if for nothing else just to make Shanahan look bad. Between letting him get away, signing Babin instead of going after Ray Edwards, taking forever to trade Kolb and not giving Jackson what he deserves Im officially over Andy Reid. I cant fucking stand him.

Just out of curiosity why would you rather have Edwards i/o Babin?

[Earlshog]

I agree - though he should have been replaced a few seasons ago. Being Ex. VP of football operations may not be his strong suit....But he did make the McNabb trade to Washington happen (trading within the division - are you crazy?) which looks great now because it fucked the Skins up for a year...

BTW... I am a big Vick fan. I went to VT and am glad to see that he rebounded from the canine capers.


Having McNabb is far from what fucked the skins up for a year.

[Justice4all]

And it begins again!

Season must officially be good to go, the retard saw Eli's shadow!

I'm sorry....25 interceptions is the benchmark stat of every great QB. What was I thinking?
:wallbash:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Damn it.

This was exactly what I was wondering about before. If they don't sign Cro and they don't sign Braylon, along with the cuts of Damien Woody and others, then they have the room to sign Nmamdi.

Cro is expendable if they get Asomugha.

[CountryBob]

Having McNabb is far from what fucked the skins up for a year.

Oh I know - but when the Eagles traded McNabb within the division everyone was saying you dont do that

[TripleSkeet]

Oh I know - but when the Eagles traded McNabb within the division everyone was saying you dont do that

I wasnt.

[Snacks]

When I 1st heard Miami traded for Reggie Bush I wasnt too excited because I thought no matter what they would give too much for him and his new contract would still be too high. But at 2 year $10 million deal is fine by me and from what I understand it will be for a 5th or 6th round pick! Now Im happy and like the deal. He should fit Miamis offense much better then even Ronnie Brown did and hes younger and a much better talent for the same price Brown was last year!

I would rather them get Orton over VY, but I dont want to over pay money or draft picks for either. I actually rather just keep Henne, I still believe his problems are coaching and play calls more then his talent!

[TripleSkeet]

Just out of curiosity why would you rather have Edwards i/o Babin?

I wasnt impressed when he played here in 2009 and did nothing. Dont get me wrong he had a great year in Tennessee but after 6 years Im not sure if that was a fluke, a product of the system, or him getting better. Plus he seems undersized for a lineman. Hes basically the same height and weight as I am (granted Im sure alot more of his is muscle). I just liked Edwards better. Hes bigger and younger.

[spoon]

Kolb trade done and eagles get a decent return for him, but now Eagles are one Vick injury away from who throwing the ball? I think job one should be getting a nice vet to back him up, Volek?

Chad 85 goes to NE and now needs to get that jersey I'm sure. How much does COC give the guy? MY guess something goofy and 100k!

VY, who the fuck would want him right now? Cincy maybe? They like garbage and it seems to work out well for a little while there and then disaster. The VY/Gradkowski combo would be hilarious for some reason. Oh wait, how about a Vick/Young combo vs having Franzs Kafka holding the clipboard?! Then again, he isn't called the Bohemian Bomber for nothing! Seriously, that name should stick/catch on.

[mdr55]

Hope Kolb makes the Cardinals good again. If only there was a fountain of youth for Neil Lomax and Kurt Warner.

[mdr55]

Looking into attending the Oct. 2 game at Phoenix vs. the Giants.

[hanso]

come on, you of all people should know that answer...the other team

OHhhhhhh!

:lol:

[spoon]

Former Bengal CB Joseph signs with Texans (much better value per $ vs NA)

This has to mean it's bt SF and NYJ for NA barring any late entrants. I think Houston was smart to get Joseph bc they can't sink so much into one player with all their needs on D. With this addition and Wade, they'll be much improved on D. Wade is one of those easily meant to be coordinators versus HC...you know, like SD's coach currently.

[spoon]

Akers to SF

[Fallon]

Patriots season is gonna be a fun one!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Looking into attending the Oct. 2 game at Phoenix vs. the Giants.

Phoenix is fucking beautiful in October. 80-90, no humidity, beautiful. Go the whole week. PM me and I'll give you places to go/stay/eat.

[TripleSkeet]

Im shocked the Eagles were able to get a 2nd rounder in the deal for Kolb. Amazing. Also his contract is ridiculous. I think hell be good, but that dude has made a TON of money off of 5 starts.

I hate to say it but it looks like the Eagles are gonna try and get Vince Young. I soooooo dont want that fucking guy. After years of Shawn Andrews Im tired of headcases on my team.

[Snacks]

Im shocked the Eagles were able to get a 2nd rounder in the deal for Kolb. Amazing. Also his contract is ridiculous. I think hell be good, but that dude has made a TON of money off of 5 starts.

I hate to say it but it looks like the Eagles are gonna try and get Vince Young. I soooooo dont want that fucking guy. After years of Shawn Andrews Im tired of headcases on my team.

werent you the guy who said he would throw for 35 tds and was going to be a beast?

They got a 2nd rounder they wanted 2 1st rounders originally!

[spoon]

I really should have mopped up on that bet too!

35 last year, ha!

he was close though...ha!

[boobieman]

Akers to SF

Should of kept him...he is older but I think he only missed 4 FG the whole season...

They better sign Deshawn

SSEYEYYAAAA

[boobieman]

Hey we got vince young....so now we have 2 quarterbacks with injury issues..vick with body vince with brain...WTF

I am starting to get scared


SEYYYAASSE

[Earlshog]

Im shocked the Eagles were able to get a 2nd rounder in the deal for Kolb. Amazing. Also his contract is ridiculous. I think hell be good, but that dude has made a TON of money off of 5 starts.

I hate to say it but it looks like the Eagles are gonna try and get Vince Young. I soooooo dont want that fucking guy. After years of Shawn Andrews Im tired of headcases on my team.

It's not really a ton of money (obviously I'm talking relative to other contracts, not a guy selling shoes). Only $21 is guaranteed so the risk to Az is a $10.5 per year for two year deal.

[King Imp]

I may have my facts wrong as I have been prone to do from time to time, but I have a question.

As far as I can remember, the whole fiasco with Haynesworth started because he was being a baby about having to switch from Tennessee's 4-3 defense to Washington's 3-4 defense. From what I can gather, New England runs the 3-4 as well, so why do they think he's gonna be a fit all of a sudden if his problems all began because of the defensive scheme?

[Earlshog]

I may have my facts wrong as I have been prone to do from time to time, but I have a question.

As far as I can remember, the whole fiasco with Haynesworth started because he was being a baby about having to switch from Tennessee's 4-3 defense to Washington's 3-4 defense. From what I can gather, New England runs the 3-4 as well, so why do they think he's gonna be a fit all of a sudden if his problems all began because of the defensive scheme?

They play a base 3 - 4 but the use a two gap half the time, so that would be when they would use Hanesworth.

[CountryBob]

They play a base 3 - 4 but the use a two gap half the time, so that would be when they would use Hanesworth.

Fucking Haynesworth needs to man up and play whatever they tell him - fucking cock sucker!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Looks like Miami is out of the Kyle Orton sweeps. 4-12. Maybe.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Jets clearing cap room by releasing O'Donnell and Brunell, although Brunell might be re-signed later. LT is restructuring his contract. If one of the big names - Sanchez, Mangold, Revis, etc. are asked to restructure - it's all but a done deal.

[Earlshog]

Looks like Miami is out of the Kyle Orton sweeps. 4-12. Maybe.

Yeah I don't get that at all... Moore is terrible.

[TripleSkeet]

werent you the guy who said he would throw for 35 tds and was going to be a beast?

They got a 2nd rounder they wanted 2 1st rounders originally!

It was 30. And with the weapons the Eagles had I felt he couldve gotten it. I didnt count on the O line being so abyssmal. That being said I think he will be good in Arizona and show hes a treue NFL starting QB.

[Earlshog]

Fucking Haynesworth needs to man up and play whatever they tell him - fucking cock sucker!

He will be used primarily on third down.

[TripleSkeet]

It's not really a ton of money (obviously I'm talking relative to other contracts, not a guy selling shoes). Only $21 is guaranteed so the risk to Az is a $10.5 per year for two year deal.

$21 million guaranteed, plus he made $12 mill last year. Has a QB ever made so much money off of potential before??? His agent is pretty good.

[Earlshog]

$21 million guaranteed, plus he made $12 mill last year. Has a QB ever made so much money off of potential before??? His agent is pretty good.

JaMarcus Russell. ALex Smith, Ryan Leaf. Tim Couch. David Carr. Joey Harrington, Scott Mitchel, etc, etc.... :tongue:

Just kidding I do get your point, thats some nice coin

[Snacks]

Yeah I don't get that at all... Moore is terrible.

I dont like the signing either but he will be the back up or even 3rd string. I love the kid Devlin but he still only going to be a rookie anyway. I still really like Henne and think he is getting way too much blame when a lot of his bad play was more to do with play calling and coaching rather then his talent. I wouldnt mind having Orton but Im happy with Henne now they need a TE or a 3rd WR to compliment Marshall and Bess!

[Earlshog]

I wasnt impressed when he played here in 2009 and did nothing. Dont get me wrong he had a great year in Tennessee but after 6 years Im not sure if that was a fluke, a product of the system, or him getting better. Plus he seems undersized for a lineman. Hes basically the same height and weight as I am (granted Im sure alot more of his is muscle). I just liked Edwards better. Hes bigger and younger.

Edwards wound up with the dirty birds instead. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[spoon]

They play a base 3 - 4 but the use a two gap half the time, so that would be when they would use Hanesworth.

Very nice EH, I am impressed! Oh and it's also a plus to get away from that DOUCHE SHanananananahan and the even worse owner. He'll be stomping heads again in no time!

[spoon]

$21 million guaranteed, plus he made $12 mill last year. Has a QB ever made so much money off of potential before??? His agent is pretty good.

Yah, only every single time a player gets drafted in the first round.

[spoon]

I dont like the signing either but he will be the back up or even 3rd string. I love the kid Devlin but he still only going to be a rookie anyway. I still really like Henne and think he is getting way too much blame when a lot of his bad play was more to do with play calling and coaching rather then his talent. I wouldnt mind having Orton but Im happy with Henne now they need a TE or a 3rd WR to compliment Marshall and Bess!

Truth is, Orton would only be a stopgap anyway and add a LOT of question marks with the team. If the Dolphins are going to give Henne one last shot, bringing in Orton isn't smart. If he fails this year or at least doesn't move forward, you go for a new qb NEXT year so I understand this a little. However, they'll be using Bush more and more in short routes and better hope he stays healthy. If the team is smart, they'll go passing possession game with short underneath routes and let guys like Bush and (if he plays) Marshall bc Henne's still iffy at best.

[Earlshog]

Very nice EH, I am impressed! Oh and it's also a plus to get away from that DOUCHE SHanananananahan and the even worse owner. He'll be stomping heads again in no time!

Have always kept tabs on Belichick since his days witht he G-men. One of Parcells greatest calls... Belichick can't handle the pressure hire Ray Handley :wallbash:

[Earlshog]

Have always kept tabs on Belichick since his days witht he G-men. One of Parcells greatest calls... Belichick can't handle the pressure hire Ray Handley :wallbash:

Oh plus I watch way to much Washington football being maried to a Skins fan.... again :wallbash:

[spoon]

Oh plus I watch way to much Washington football being maried to a Skins fan.... again :wallbash:

what's his name?

Gonna be in your backyard at Augustino's tomorrow! MMMMMmmmmmmm!

[TripleSkeet]

Yah, only every single time a player gets drafted in the first round.

Just looked it up, never realized how much guaranteed money was in rookie contracts. Still right now hes made about $3 mill a start, not counting this contract. Not too shabby.

[spoon]

Just looked it up, never realized how much guaranteed money was in rookie contracts. Still right now hes made about $3 mill a start, not counting this contract. Not too shabby.

Well let's also be honest, he's the best available qb out there and the others make plenty as well. In terms of upside he's the one and only guy I'd put money like this to at all. Remember, this is the guy with a potential to throw 35 tds in his first year as a starter! Some NFL sage made that statement a few months back and I for one subscribe to his newsletter.
:innocent:

[TripleSkeet]

Well let's also be honest, he's the best available qb out there and the others make plenty as well. In terms of upside he's the one and only guy I'd put money like this to at all. Remember, this is the guy with a potential to throw 35 tds in his first year as a starter! Some NFL sage made that statement a few months back and I for one subscribe to his newsletter.
:innocent:

I hope he throws 30 this year you fucker.

[spoon]

I hope he throws 30 this year you fucker.

well it is another year in his development

he now has a OL in front of him, a GREAT WR to throw to (DJ is not LF) and plays in a SHIT division so I'd expect him to get into the 20s (10+ for Fitz alone)

It's not the same situation so it's not the same argument.

[TripleSkeet]

Jets out of Nnamdi sweepstakes. Just heard on Twitter.

[sailor]

Jets out of Nnamdi sweepstakes. Just heard on Twitter.

Which would allegedly leave only Dallas, right?

[TripleSkeet]

Which would allegedly leave only Dallas, right?

Cowboys out too.


AdamSchefter
Nnamdi looks headed to the...Eagles.

Ok Im an Eagles fan and Im baffled.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Pats fans love this.

[TripleSkeet]

Signed him for 5 years too. Holy shit.

[sailor]

Signed him for 5 years too. Holy shit.

You know better than that. Congrats!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Philly wins again. I'm getting sick of "mystery team" in last minute negotiations.

Upside: The space leaves room the sign Cro, Edwards, and Moss. So we'll see.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Signed him for 5 years too. Holy shit.

Congrats. You actually have a partial secondary now!

[hanso]

Philly did some big time wheelin dealin.

[Judge Smails]

Philly did some big time wheelin dealin.

http://phillysportslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/andy-reid-fat.jpeg

[brettmojo]

:wallbash:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Congrats. You actually have a partial secondary now!

Actually, I forgot you guys got DRC too. Eagles had a really good off season.

Watch this, they'll get Plax too.

[hanso]

Kolb played well in 3 games that works out to a Lil over $20M a game.

[Snacks]

The Eagles look like the team to beat this season. they now have 3 pro bowl dbs and 2 really good young wrs and vick. Great off season so far. I wish the jets had gotten Nammi because they would have so much money tied up but at $12.5 million that was a great deal!

[epo]

The Eagles look like the team to beat this season. they now have 3 pro bowl dbs and 2 really good young wrs and vick. Great off season so far. I wish the jets had gotten Nammi because they would have so much money tied up but at $12.5 million that was a great deal!

You are saying "the team to beat" in the NFC East right?

Saying anything else would be silly.

[underdog]

$21 million guaranteed, plus he made $12 mill last year. Has a QB ever made so much money off of potential before??? His agent is pretty good.

Didn't Aaron Rodgers get about the same cash after playing about the same number of games?

[epo]

Didn't Aaron Rodgers get about the same cash after playing about the same number of games?

I believe Rodgers started 7 games before the Packers gave him a 6/$65 deal.

[KnoxHarrington]

The Onion fucking rules.

Nation Wants Some Fucking Football, Doesn’t Give Shit About Details Of Collective Bargaining Agreement

WASHINGTON—Following the announcement Monday that NFL owners and players had reached a deal to end their 132-day labor dispute, Americans across the nation expressed their desire for some goddamn football already and acknowledged they didn’t give two shits about the boring-ass details of the collective bargaining agreement.

The majority of the U.S. populace confirmed that nobody even cares about the stupid structure, length, or impact of the new CBA, calling for sports columnists, analysts, and broadcasters to “shut the hell up about lame revenue-sharing shit” and demanding the NFL play some football “right fucking now.”

At press time, Americans wondered why the hell no footballs had been snapped yet.

“Yes, great, I’m thrilled the NFL won’t have to cancel any of the 2011 season, but I don’t want to hear anything else about numbers or caps or any of that new money rules shit,” said 42-year-old Rick Baldwin, a contractor in St. Louis. “Just go, dammit. Go out on the field and play a fucking game.”



Yeah, pretty much this.

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/nation-wants-some-fucking-football-doesnt-give-shi,21026/

[Snoogans]

Didn't Aaron Rodgers get about the same cash after playing about the same number of games?

I believe Rodgers started 7 games before the Packers gave him a 6/$65 deal.

and rodgers, if i remember right, looked awesome in those games. Kolb had a couple good games, and a couple real stinkers

[epo]

and rodgers, if i remember right, looked awesome in those games. Kolb had a couple good games, and a couple real stinkers

I thought you were right, so I looked it up and his QB ratings for those games (http://www.nfl.com/player/aaronrodgers/2506363/gamelogs?season=2008):

115, 117, 80, 55, 109, 111, 104.

So yea...he looked pretty awesome. Plus the coaching staff had him on the roster for a couple of years and the organization pretty much knew what they had with him.

[Snoogans]

I thought you were right, so I looked it up and his QB ratings for those games (http://www.nfl.com/player/aaronrodgers/2506363/gamelogs?season=2008):

115, 117, 80, 55, 109, 111, 104.

So yea...he looked pretty awesome. Plus the coaching staff had him on the roster for a couple of years and the organization pretty much knew what they had with him.

yea even 80 in your third start is pretty good, but throw out that 55 and thats fuckin MVP kinda numbers.

I think the biggest thing is shows is to let the guy sit for at least 2 years and learn.

[epo]

yea even 80 in your third start is pretty good, but throw out that 55 and thats fuckin MVP kinda numbers.

I think the biggest thing is shows is to let the guy sit for at least 2 years and learn.

You and I have talked about that before and I'm a firm believer that sitting for 2 years is what allowed Rodgers to be this good. I think that if he played as a rookie, like Alex Smith, he'd have a career like Alex Smith.

[cougarjake13]

You and I have talked about that before and I'm a firm believer that sitting for 2 years is what allowed Rodgers to be this good. I think that if he played as a rookie, like Alex Smith, he'd have a career like Alex Smith.

possibly but smith never had the offensive talent that rodgers has in green bay


i dont think rodgers would have been a bust if he was in san fran but i dont think he'd be as good as he's considered now to be

[KnoxHarrington]

possibly but smith never had the offensive talent that rodgers has in green bay


i dont think rodgers would have been a bust if he was in san fran but i dont think he'd be as good as he's considered now to be

He's turned into such a giant diva douchebag that it's hard to give him any credit, but I can't imagine that spending 2 years watching Brett Favre play wouldn't be a good thing for just about any QB out there.

Even if the reports I read suggested that Favre was hardly the mentor type.

[Snoogans]

You and I have talked about that before and I'm a firm believer that sitting for 2 years is what allowed Rodgers to be this good. I think that if he played as a rookie, like Alex Smith, he'd have a career like Alex Smith.

there are a few exceptions, obviously, but even those, guys like manning. i think they woulda been better early on with a few years to learn. even peyton woulda been better early.

I think those guys woulda been great anyway. What it really helps is the guys who arent GREAT. Aaron Rodgers didnt have the physical ability or knowledge of defenses to have succeeded right away like Peyton did. Sitting and learning before you get the confidence beat outta you helped make Rodgers great.

The problem was, because how much money first round QBs were getting, teams couldnt afford to pay the veteran and draft a guy and put him on the bench. Now, with the rookie scale, i think you will see alot more of it

[Snoogans]

possibly but smith never had the offensive talent that rodgers has in green bay


i dont think rodgers would have been a bust if he was in san fran but i dont think he'd be as good as he's considered now to be

i dont agree. I think SF has had plenty of offensive talent over the years. They just didnt have a QB who could get them the ball. And so they ran 40 times and injured all their good backs. And the decent WRs and TEs like Davis didnt wanna stay cause the QB blew.

[cougarjake13]

He's turned into such a giant diva douchebag that it's hard to give him any credit, but I can't imagine that spending 2 years watching Brett Favre play wouldn't be a good thing for just about any QB out there.

Even if the reports I read suggested that Favre was hardly the mentor type.



i think the fact he fell in the draft and then had to wait behind favre made him the qb he is



if he got drafted high , for example by san fran and then played right away or waited only a year or maybe just half the first year he wouldnt have had the drive and desire he had and maybe flames out like david carr or ja russell

[Snoogans]

He's turned into such a giant diva douchebag that it's hard to give him any credit, but I can't imagine that spending 2 years watching Brett Favre play wouldn't be a good thing for just about any QB out there.

Even if the reports I read suggested that Favre was hardly the mentor type.

i dont even think that matters, watching the other QB. I think its more about having the time to learn the offense, learn the routes, reads, defenses, without having to make mistakes and A) hurt your confidence, B) hurt your team and turn the fans against you, and C) getting beat up like david carr cause you dont know where to go with the ball fast enough

[epo]

i think the fact he fell in the draft and then had to wait behind favre made him the qb he is

if he got drafted high , for example by san fran and then played right away or waited only a year or maybe just half the first year he wouldnt have had the drive and desire he had and maybe flames out like david carr or ja russell

Cut that "drive & desire" shit. The only player I ever thought didn't have that was JaMarcus Russell.

i dont even think that matters, watching the other QB. I think its more about having the time to learn the offense, learn the routes, reads, defenses, without having to make mistakes and A) hurt your confidence, B) hurt your team and turn the fans against you, and C) getting beat up like david carr cause you dont know where to go with the ball fast enough

This is it. When Rodgers was a rookie, I remember watching him in preseason games thinking..."WTF, this guy is terrible". Then the second preseason thinking..."He's getting better". Then that Cowboy game when Favre got hurt thinking, "Holy shit, we've got something here!"

Snoogans is right, without the time to adjust to the speed of the NFL, Rodgers wouldn't be the stud that he is today. By all accounts, Favre was a dogshit mentor, but Mike McCarthy is a great QB coach so that allowed for his development while he adjusted to the game.

Its a model that more teams should use with young QBs. For example, while I want the Vikings to fail, they should tolerate McNabb for two years while Christian Ponder adjusts to the speed of the game & figures out the NFL before throwing him to the wolves.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Get ready to laugh, epo:

Vernon Gholston just signed with the Bears.

How in God's name he caught on with another team is beyond me.

[Snoogans]

Get ready to laugh, epo:

Vernon Gholston just signed with the Bears.

How in God's name he caught on with another team is beyond me.

bears just signed Roy Williams too.

[underdog]

Watching Sportscenter, and I literally had to rewind it because of how retarded it just got.

Eric Allen is discussing the Asomugha pickup. Steve Levy starts the discussion about how Asomugha has no real "fantasy" stats because no one throws to his side. At the end of the discussion, Levy asks the retarded question of Asomugha v Revis. Eric Allen says he'd take Revis on his team because "he loves numbers".

Hey retard, this is the same reason people keep think Asante Samuel is good. He has a lot of interceptions because EVERYONE THROWS AT HIM.

[spoon]

You and I have talked about that before and I'm a firm believer that sitting for 2 years is what allowed Rodgers to be this good. I think that if he played as a rookie, like Alex Smith, he'd have a career like Alex Smith.

Fits the SD Leaf vs Rivers past as well. Rivers also learned under a guy like Brees which is never a bad thing. Kolb is the best shot out there THIS year, including the drafted rooks bc as we are saying here, they won't be ready as Zona needs.

[spoon]

Cut that "drive & desire" shit. The only player I ever thought didn't have that was JaMarcus Russell.


Jeff George seems to fit pretty nice and there are others. Cutler?

Oh and another way that seems to work ok is the Aikman, Manning route where you protect your rook a ton but let him throw all over and make mistakes as part of the learning process. The outcome had importance, but the qb's learning process and evolution meant a whole lot more. Bradford fit this bill last year too, but it's not many that can pull it off. Even some that can won't do well with it simply bc the team doesn't fit the bill, as Snoogan's Carr example. They simply couldn't protect him.

[epo]

Get ready to laugh, epo:

Vernon Gholston just signed with the Bears.

How in God's name he caught on with another team is beyond me.

bears just signed Roy Williams too.

As a Packers fan, the Chicago Bears are having a great off-season.

[underdog]

As a Packers fan, the Chicago Bears are having a great off-season.

How much are they paying Roy Williams? He's playing for Mike Martz again. There's a good chance he will thrive again.

[epo]

How much are they paying Roy Williams? He's playing for Mike Martz again. There's a good chance he will thrive again.

I've read that its a one-year deal, but I have no clue on the money.

[underdog]

I've read that its a one-year deal, but I have no clue on the money.

Eh, one year is whatever. Not a bad signing at all.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

#85 playing for the Pats this year should be fun to watch...he'll defiantly get more touchdowns receptions than last year.

[epo]

Eh, one year is whatever. Not a bad signing at all.

Somebody has to try to make up for the fact that they gave Greg Olsen away.

[spoon]

I seriously see the Bears taking a huge fall this year. How the hell did they do what they did last year to be honest? I simply don't see how Lovie had a job to start last year? But hey, at least they have Captain Diabetes to lead them ... for a quarter or two a game. I say at their best they win 9 next year. However, I see an 8-8 record on the way.

[epo]

I seriously see the Bears taking a huge fall this year. How the hell did they do what they did last year to be honest? I simply don't see how Lovie had a job to start last year? But hey, at least they have Captain Diabetes to lead them ... for a quarter or two a game. I say at their best they win 9 next year. However, I see an 8-8 record on the way.

Chicago had the typical "good" year for the Bears. Soft schedule, few injuries and a shitload of breaks.

Now the joys of Lovie's coaching, Cutler's quarterbacking and a real schedule.

[spoon]

While I don't have a hate or rivalry with them as you do, I would argue my hate of Cutler trumps both combined!

I take joy in watching that ass fuck up at every turn.

[hanso]

When I 1st heard Miami traded for Reggie Bush I wasnt too excited because I thought no matter what they would give too much for him and his new contract would still be too high. But at 2 year $10 million deal is fine by me and from what I understand it will be for a 5th or 6th round pick! Now Im happy and like the deal. He should fit Miamis offense much better then even Ronnie Brown did and hes younger and a much better talent for the same price Brown was last year!

I would rather them get Orton over VY, but I dont want to over pay money or draft picks for either. I actually rather just keep Henne, I still believe his problems are coaching and play calls more then his talent!

If you had called into 640 sports with a statement like this. They would have chewed you up. I don't think any deal would have been good from all the flak I've heard. Only former Dolphin Troy Stradford has had anything good to say on the move.

Follow up

After hearing Bush is to be a full time back and maybe returning punts aslo. I thought this is bad coaching. But todays paper has a write up. That this is coming from Bush himself.


Here is a local news story on it (NO) a few days ago. Video won't embed but played here
http://www.sportsnola.com/sports/saints/saints-news/573802.html

[cougarjake13]

Somebody has to try to make up for the fact that they gave Greg Olsen away.

still dont know why they did that


plus now carolina has olsen and shockey ... not bad for a young rookie qb to have

[Snacks]

If you had called into 640 sports with a statement like this. They would have chewed you up. I don't think any deal would have been good from all the flak I've heard. Only former Dolphin Troy Stradford has had anything good to say on the move.

Follow up

After hearing Bush is to be a full time back and maybe returning punts aslo. I thought this is bad coaching. But todays paper has a write up. That this is coming from Bush himself.


Here is a local news story on it (NO) a few days ago. Video won't embed but played here
http://www.sportsnola.com/sports/saints/saints-news/573802.html

I dont see what they dont like about the deal? Hes pretty well priced at $9.5 million and he didn't cost the phins much. Now the argument that he would have been releaed and we could have signed him anyway, thats true but this guaranteed miami getting him.

[epo]

Philadelphia signed DE Cullen Jenkins for 5/$25.

[hanso]

I dont see what they dont like about the deal? Hes pretty well priced at $9.5 million and he didn't cost the phins much. Now the argument that he would have been releaed and we could have signed him anyway, thats true but this guaranteed miami getting him.

They don't like the player. I tried to put (injury issues) after bad coaching in what I texted but it timed out.

Check out this blog. I think Troy Stradford has something to do with it.
http://www.thephinsider.com/

[hanso]

still dont know why they did that


plus now carolina has olsen and shockey ... not bad for a young rookie qb to have

Yep 2 fairly good TE's to dump off to.

[cougarjake13]

Yep 2 fairly good TE's to dump off to.

zactly

[Snacks]

They don't like the player. I tried to put (injury issues) after bad coaching in what I texted but it timed out.

Check out this blog. I think Troy Stradford has something to do with it.
http://www.thephinsider.com/

I still like it, I would rather take my chances with a talent like Reggie Bush who when playing he shared the ball with 2 or 3 other RBs while also being in a pass 1st offense in NO. He still had very good numbers. Not to mention Brown was always injured to so what did some of these people want? Did they want us to resign him? Like I said I would rather take my chances with Bush

As for Zach Miller, he is a solid TE but not what we need. I would love to have gotten Olsen. I dont know why the bears traded him or better yet why Miami didnt land him?

[King Imp]

Plaxico Burress to the Jets (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6820679/plaxico-burress-new-york-jets-agree-one-year-deal)

Thank God! I wanted him nowhere near my team ever again.

[Snacks]

Plaxico Burress to the Jets (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6820679/plaxico-burress-new-york-jets-agree-one-year-deal)

Thank God! I wanted him nowhere near my team ever again.

At $3 million I would have taken a chance with him. I think he will be just fine, hes not meant to be fast he is meant to be that guy that you just throw the ball up and he comes down with it because hes taller then everyone else. He helps young, not so accurate QBs so he should help Sanchez a lot if hes anywhere near as good as he was 2-3 years ago and I hate to say it I think he will be close to it. Now I have to hope hes not and hope I was wrong because you cant root for a guy on the Jets!

Everything I read said he was offered 2 year $10 million so why was 1 year $3 million enough? The only thing I do like is how this is a big fuck you to the NYG and their fans. I might hate the Jets but living in NY/NJ its unbearable how the NYG fans act like they own this area and are now so mad that the NYJ get so much more pub and respect lately. Since I dont like either team it is funny to see how mad NYG fans get that this has been a Jets area for 2/3 seasons now! In the past this would never have happened!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Win a superbowl.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Even with the baggage, Plaxico is an upgrade over Braylon. And Plax has played for two hardcore disciplinarian coaches in Cowher and Coughlin, so I'd like to see how he does in Rex's system.

A 1 year 3/mill deal is worth the gamble. Now I wonder what happens with Cro.

[cougarjake13]

wow

well i hope plax dont shoot himself again

[Snoogans]

At $3 million I would have taken a chance with him. I think he will be just fine, hes not meant to be fast he is meant to be that guy that you just throw the ball up and he comes down with it because hes taller then everyone else. He helps young, not so accurate QBs so he should help Sanchez a lot if hes anywhere near as good as he was 2-3 years ago and I hate to say it I think he will be close to it. Now I have to hope hes not and hope I was wrong because you cant root for a guy on the Jets!

Everything I read said he was offered 2 year $10 million so why was 1 year $3 million enough? The only thing I do like is how this is a big fuck you to the NYG and their fans. I might hate the Jets but living in NY/NJ its unbearable how the NYG fans act like they own this area and are now so mad that the NYJ get so much more pub and respect lately. Since I dont like either team it is funny to see how mad NYG fans get that this has been a Jets area for 2/3 seasons now! In the past this would never have happened!

maybe more pub, but the jets have never gotten more respect. they are clowns and everyone knows they are clowns

[hanso]

wow

well i hope plax dont shoot himself again

J-E-T-Ssssssssshootyourself!

[hanso]

I still like it, I would rather take my chances with a talent like Reggie Bush who when playing he shared the ball with 2 or 3 other RBs while also being in a pass 1st offense in NO. He still had very good numbers. Not to mention Brown was always injured to so what did some of these people want? Did they want us to resign him? Like I said I would rather take my chances with Bush

As for Zach Miller, he is a solid TE but not what we need. I would love to have gotten Olsen. I dont know why the bears traded him or better yet why Miami didnt land him?

I was reading that blog and they have a TE report. It states Fasano is a more all around guy who blocks etc. And he still had the numbers where no other TE's had any. So it seems to me Zack would be a good needed fit. (has he signed yet?)

Also in the blog it was hinted a big thing was coming last night. And speculation from fans/readers comments. It was a signing to come soon. I bought into it and keept checking news for a pick for the phins that never came.

The big story was that Brandon Marshall has some loose screws in his head. He was just on tv telling everyone.

Well woopty doo! I heard about this before he came here. And when he threw a better pass than Chad Henne ever had. At a Ref. on the side lines after he dropped a pass one game last season. That conformed it for me.

Found this blog also. They picked up a nose gaurd.
http://www.phins.com/

[hanso]

Nose Tackle Ronald Fields.

[epo]

At $3 million I would have taken a chance with him. I think he will be just fine, hes not meant to be fast he is meant to be that guy that you just throw the ball up and he comes down with it because hes taller then everyone else. He helps young, not so accurate QBs so he should help Sanchez a lot if hes anywhere near as good as he was 2-3 years ago and I hate to say it I think he will be close to it. Now I have to hope hes not and hope I was wrong because you cant root for a guy on the Jets!

Everything I read said he was offered 2 year $10 million so why was 1 year $3 million enough? The only thing I do like is how this is a big fuck you to the NYG and their fans. I might hate the Jets but living in NY/NJ its unbearable how the NYG fans act like they own this area and are now so mad that the NYJ get so much more pub and respect lately. Since I dont like either team it is funny to see how mad NYG fans get that this has been a Jets area for 2/3 seasons now! In the past this would never have happened!

Honestly, I'm shocked that anyone would give a 34 year old receiver, who spent the last two years in jail anything beyond the minimum...much less $3MM.

For his own well-being, I hope Plaxico proves me wrong...but I doubt it.

[Snacks]

Even with the baggage, Plaxico is an upgrade over Braylon. And Plax has played for two hardcore disciplinarian coaches in Cowher and Coughlin, so I'd like to see how he does in Rex's system.

A 1 year 3/mill deal is worth the gamble. Now I wonder what happens with Cro.

its a steal and plax has much less baggage then edwards. edwards is a piece of shit and had just as many problems and now has probation problems and a dwi. plax shot himself and has served his time.

the jets made the right move and might still be able to get edwards if they want. they shouldnt because hes not that good, he had 1 good year in his entire career.

[Snacks]

maybe more pub, but the jets have never gotten more respect. they are clowns and everyone knows they are clowns

this is a jets town now, i know you hate it, i do too but it doesnt matter to me because i dont like either teams.

[Snacks]

I was reading that blog and they have a TE report. It states Fasano is a more all around guy who blocks etc. And he still had the numbers where no other TE's had any. So it seems to me Zack would be a good needed fit. (has he signed yet?)

Also in the blog it was hinted a big thing was coming last night. And speculation from fans/readers comments. It was a signing to come soon. I bought into it and keept checking news for a pick for the phins that never came.

The big story was that Brandon Marshall has some loose screws in his head. He was just on tv telling everyone.

Well woopty doo! I heard about this before he came here. And when he threw a better pass than Chad Henne ever had. At a Ref. on the side lines after he dropped a pass one game last season. That conformed it for me.

Found this blog also. They picked up a nose gaurd.
http://www.phins.com/

yeah knew this already and really never cared. he has gotten a lot of shit for having a down year last year? he got hurt, missed a few games, came back early when he shouldnt have and still had a really good season with a terrible offensive cord. im not upset with him, he had a down year for what he normally does , yes but he still did well and i expect a better year from all of them b/c i think they will spread it out more and pass first.!

[Snacks]

Honestly, I'm shocked that anyone would give a 34 year old receiver, who spent the last two years in jail anything beyond the minimum...much less $3MM.

For his own well-being, I hope Plaxico proves me wrong...but I doubt it.

i disagree. if he was a qb then yes. but he is a wr that is known for his hands not his speed so age shouldnt hurt plax. he should actually be able to step right in and do what he does. he also should be able to continue and have a later in life career then normal because he is a hands and height guy not a speed guy. i actually think he should have a great year. holmes is the speed down the field threat and plax with be a possession guy to throw the ball up for grabs in tough situations and let him go get it. i think they will be better on offense this year as long at sanchez grows. im still not sold on sanchez being that good and i still personally like henne better and think he has a better arm too. i know its my opinion and i will get shit for this and sanchez went to back to back afc title games. but i watch sanchez weekly (forced too because im in ny area) and imo he doesnt have a strong arm or accuracy. what the jets have done is as a team and imo smoke and mirrors. they won a lot of games because of bad coaching and luck. its been more about what other teams have done then how good they are. partly i think like this because i hate them but there is proof to it too. just look at 2 years ago and how they got lucky to get into the playoffs and look at last year 2 or 3 wins came against terrible teams on huge comebacks in the 4th because of terrible play calling and mistakes by the other team not anything the jets did!

[spoon]

Even with the baggage, Plaxico is an upgrade over Braylon. And Plax has played for two hardcore disciplinarian coaches in Cowher and Coughlin, so I'd like to see how he does in Rex's system.

A 1 year 3/mill deal is worth the gamble. Now I wonder what happens with Cro.

I'd like to know how it's possible to know after a few years what Plax will be, so much that he's "an upgrade over Braylon"? It's as if Tenbats turns any Jet situation into the best possible outcome based on the past or hypotheticals. Sorry, it's just funny shit at this point. It very well could be a good signing, and def not a bad risk overall, but to say it like it's a fucking fact is simply tenbatsuzian.

[spoon]

maybe more pub, but the jets have never gotten more respect. they are clowns and everyone knows they are clowns

The Jets are louder, but not saying much but a shit load of bullshit. Yah yah, you like feet, your wideouts drive drunk, you hate the pats and super bowl bound, GOT IT.

Oh and what happened to Sanchez taking a cut, now it looks like LT had to step up to help sign Cro bc I've yet to see this claim acted on.

[Snoogans]

this is a jets town now, i know you hate it, i do too but it doesnt matter to me because i dont like either teams.

but thats the thing. I dont give a fuck what fans think. Jets fans are stupid. So what if they are louder. If its such a jets town why have the jets still not sold all their tickets but the giants have. Why did the giants charge 5 times the price on PSLs and still sell all their tickets before the jets? oh yea, cause you are wrong again

[spoon]

i disagree. if he was a qb then yes. but he is a wr that is known for his hands not his speed so age shouldnt hurt plax. he should actually be able to step right in and do what he does. he also should be able to continue and have a later in life career then normal because he is a hands and height guy not a speed guy. i actually think he should have a great year. holmes is the speed down the field threat and plax with be a possession guy to throw the ball up for grabs in tough situations and let him go get it. i think they will be better on offense this year as long at sanchez grows. im still not sold on sanchez being that good and i still personally like henne better and think he has a better arm too. i know its my opinion and i will get shit for this and sanchez went to back to back afc title games. but i watch sanchez weekly (forced too because im in ny area) and imo he doesnt have a strong arm or accuracy. what the jets have done is as a team and imo smoke and mirrors. they won a lot of games because of bad coaching and luck. its been more about what other teams have done then how good they are. partly i think like this because i hate them but there is proof to it too. just look at 2 years ago and how they got lucky to get into the playoffs and look at last year 2 or 3 wins came against terrible teams on huge comebacks in the 4th because of terrible play calling and mistakes by the other team not anything the jets did!

Snacks, most receivers fall back to earth as they push into the thirties, much less a guy at 34 who hasn't been on the field in 2 years. While Vick WAS a qb, and he destroys your qb/wr/speed based argument. If anything, his position is more closely influenced by age than qb, and due to his already average feet/speed, one can expect he'll be slow in his routes, lack much ability to break away from coverage and needs to learn a whole new system and qb. A qb I might add that isn't the best pocket passer out there. Yah, he'll have a shot to do well, and a one year 3/mill contract isn't terrible unless that does cripple them in other areas which it doesn't seem to do. You like the move, fine, I don't hate it myself. Still, it doesn't validate your take on his situation and expected production.

[Snacks]

but thats the thing. I dont give a fuck what fans think. Jets fans are stupid. So what if they are louder. If its such a jets town why have the jets still not sold all their tickets but the giants have. Why did the giants charge 5 times the price on PSLs and still sell all their tickets before the jets? oh yea, cause you are wrong again

it wasnt a jets town at the time and the giants still have more fans never said they didnt. but the jets are getting the attention, the jets are getting players that want to play for them rather then play for the nyg. the lets are getting press that the giants are used. i cant believe you are making me defend the jets. the jets are like the mets they will never completely have the larger fan base or anything but there are certain times when they are the more exciting team to watch and be a fan of. lets face it the giants when they are good or bad are always boring. other then the super bowls they won especially the 1 against the pats they have always been very boring team to watch with no exciting players other then LT. They have never had a high powered fun offense and they have always been predictable. run on first run on 2nd throw short on 3rd.

so once again im not wrong once again you cant tell the difference between an opinion which has no right or wrong and facts which does. im giving opinion that many agree with so im not wrong you are just too retarded to understand that because someone is now going against your view or like so now they are ALWAYS wrong or assholes!

[Snacks]

Snacks, most receivers fall back to earth at they push into the thirties, much less a guy at 34 who hasn't been on the field in 2 years. While Vick WAS a qb, and he destroys your qb/wr/speed based argument. If anything, his position is more closely influenced by age than qb, and due to his already average feet/speed, one can expect he'll be slow in his routes, lack much ability to break away from coverage and needs to learn a whole new system and qb. A qb I might add that isn't the best pocket passer out there. Yah, he'll have a shot to do well, and a one year 3/mill contract isn't terrible unless that does cripple them in other areas which it doesn't seem to do. You like the move, fine, I don't hate it myself. Still, it doesn't validate your take on his situation and expected production.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. I think Sanchez will have more to do with his success then his age or time off. There is a reason so many teams were interested in him. Hes never had fast speed he has always been a possession wr. He is tall, long and has great hands. You over throw him or anyone else and he gets it where it would normally be intercepted but he is able to reach it when others cant. Look at Manning, since plax left mannings ints have gone up because plax got him out of trouble, he caught passes that would have been int instead he was able to still get to them.

Listen, do you really think I would praise a move by the jets? No but this was a great signing in my opinion. I think their only mistake was not giving him a 2nd year at their option. Like I said I think he will have a great season but it all depends on Sanchez, if Sanchez plays as he has then I see plax having a chance to lead the team in tds and maybe even receptions. they will throw to him in the corner of the end zone every chance they get. 1st is he needs to be a starter which I think he will be unless hes injured!

[Snoogans]

it wasnt a jets town at the time and the giants still have more fans never said they didnt. but the jets are getting the attention, the jets are getting players that want to play for them rather then play for the nyg. the lets are getting press that the giants are used. i cant believe you are making me defend the jets. the jets are like the mets they will never completely have the larger fan base or anything but there are certain times when they are the more exciting team to watch and be a fan of. lets face it the giants when they are good or bad are always boring. other then the super bowls they won especially the 1 against the pats they have always been very boring team to watch with no exciting players other then LT. They have never had a high powered fun offense and they have always been predictable. run on first run on 2nd throw short on 3rd.

so once again im not wrong once again you cant tell the difference between an opinion which has no right or wrong and facts which does. im giving opinion that many agree with so im not wrong you are just too retarded to understand that because someone is now going against your view or like so now they are ALWAYS wrong or assholes!

they are gettin the attention cause they yap and yap all the time. just cause they get more attention doesnt mean they won the town. You said your self the giants have more fans. Then its kinda hard to own the town when they other team has more fans

[spoon]

I think we will have to agree to disagree. I think Sanchez will have more to do with his success then his age or time off. There is a reason so many teams were interested in him. Hes never had fast speed he has always been a possession wr. He is tall, long and has great hands. You over throw him or anyone else and he gets it where it would normally be intercepted but he is able to reach it when others cant. Look at Manning, since plax left mannings ints have gone up because plax got him out of trouble, he caught passes that would have been int instead he was able to still get to them.

Listen, do you really think I would praise a move by the jets? No but this was a great signing in my opinion. I think their only mistake was not giving him a 2nd year at their option. Like I said I think he will have a great season but it all depends on Sanchez, if Sanchez plays as he has then I see plax having a chance to lead the team in tds and maybe even receptions. they will throw to him in the corner of the end zone every chance they get. 1st is he needs to be a starter which I think he will be unless hes injured!

First off, I don't think Manning threw more picks bc Plax wasn't there. If anything his receiving crew overall was much better once Plax left, just younger and made more mistakes with the ball. I can remember at least 4 plays last year where a ball hit Nicks in the hands and he muffed it only to be picked off. Even with this, ever since that SB Manning has caused many of his own issues, not bc of Burress, but his decision making running around to avoid sacks and trying to make a play. He doesn't know when to take the sack or throw it away versus trying to relive that huge SB play. It's not the Plax effect factor at all.

[spoon]

Listen, do you really think I would praise a move by the jets? No but this was a great signing in my opinion. I think their only mistake was not giving him a 2nd year at their option. Like I said I think he will have a great season but it all depends on Sanchez, if Sanchez plays as he has then I see plax having a chance to lead the team in tds and maybe even receptions. they will throw to him in the corner of the end zone every chance they get. 1st is he needs to be a starter which I think he will be unless hes injured!

I don't think you want to praise the Jets at all, but I do think you get wrapped up in players at time and miss some things based on past potential. Please don't make ME defend Eli and his stats overall as Tom does in every football thread. PLEASE! :nono:

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'd like to know how it's possible to know after a few years what Plax will be, so much that he's "an upgrade over Braylon"? It's as if Tenbats turns any Jet situation into the best possible outcome based on the past or hypotheticals. Sorry, it's just funny shit at this point. It very well could be a good signing, and def not a bad risk overall, but to say it like it's a fucking fact is simply tenbatsuzian.

Plax is two inches taller than Braylon. He is LITERALLY an upgrade.

[Tenbatsuzen]

this is a jets town now.

Absolutely not true. At all.

The Giants are 3 years removed from a Super Bowl. The Jets are 42. I'm sorry, even with the Jets recent success, they will always be the 2nd team in the NYC area, just like the Mets are. Those are the facts, and I accept them.

[spoon]

Plax is two inches taller than Braylon. He is LITERALLY an upgrade.

Why stop there, he's also 18 lbs heavier! Shit, just sign the big show since you totally made this convo completely retarded.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh and what happened to Sanchez taking a cut, now it looks like LT had to step up to help sign Cro bc I've yet to see this claim acted on.

Sanchez said he'd take a cut but the Jets never asked him to. I'm sure if Asomugha was in the fold it would be necessary, but none of the big money guys were approached by the Jets to take a cut.

Revis, Mangold, etc. were never approached about taking a cut. LT was probably approached to take a cut just like Kellen Clemens was last year. Basically, take a cut or we're gonna let you go.

It is a business. And that's probably one of the reasons why Cro is now playing hard to get because he knows the Jets need him back and he's insulted by what happened with Asomugha.

[spoon]

Absolutely not true. At all.

The Giants are 3 years removed from a Super Bowl. The Jets are 42. I'm sorry, even with the Jets recent success, they will always be the 2nd team in the NYC area, just like the Mets are. Those are the facts, and I accept them.

And the truth is, who cares? I obviously don't pick my teams based on popularity, it just happened for whatever reason. I do know this, even in Burress's last year he wasn't that impressive (2008 interrupted somewhat).

In 10 games 35 catches for 454 yards and 4 tds.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why stop there, he's also 18 lbs heavier! Shit, just sign the big show since you totally made this convo completely retarded.

You were the one who was insulted that I said Plax was an upgrade. Long story short: Braylon's always had hands issues although he didn't have as many drops last year, and there is no guarantee Goodell is not going to suspend Braylon for pleading guilty to the DUI.

For all we know the league office has told the teams that he's gonna get four games for conduct unbecoming the league.

[spoon]

Sanchez said he'd take a cut but the Jets never asked him to. I'm sure if Asomugha was in the fold it would be necessary, but none of the big money guys were approached by the Jets to take a cut.

Revis, Mangold, etc. were never approached about taking a cut. LT was probably approached to take a cut just like Kellen Clemens was last year. Basically, take a cut or we're gonna let you go.

It is a business. And that's probably one of the reasons why Cro is now playing hard to get because he knows the Jets need him back and he's insulted by what happened with Asomugha.

That's letting him off the hook on his claim to take a cut to line up needed/desired players and now it disappeared and LT has stepped up and is willing. It's not being reported in your way in any area or by any source so that's out the door unless something changed. You can't change a story to fit your false reality. It'd be one thing if ANY story out there might back this up, but none, ZERO do. This may change but at this point there is NOTHING to back up your claim outside of you defending your qb like a mama bear with it's weak throwing cub.

[spoon]

You were the one who was insulted that I said Plax was an upgrade. Long story short: Braylon's always had hands issues although he didn't have as many drops last year, and there is no guarantee Goodell is not going to suspend Braylon for pleading guilty to the DUI.

For all we know the league office has told the teams that he's gonna get four games for conduct unbecoming the league.

Insulted? You're hilarious. I have come to expect you to twist everything Jet related in this manner. I simply like to point out when you do so.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And the truth is, who cares? I obviously don't pick my teams based on popularity, it just happened for whatever reason. I do know this, even in Burress's last year he wasn't that impressive (2008 interrupted somewhat).

In 10 games 35 catches for 454 yards and 4 tds.

When did I say Plax was going to the the #1 WR for the Jets? Santonio is obviously the first option, and Cotchery and Plaxico are 2nd and 3rd.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's letting him off the hook on his claim to take a cut to line up needed/desired players and now it disappeared and LT has stepped up and is willing. It's not being reported in your way in any area or by any source so that's out the door unless something changed. You can't change a story to fit your false reality. It'd be one thing if ANY story out there might back this up, but none, ZERO do. This may change but at this point there is NOTHING to back up your claim outside of you defending your qb like a mama bear with it's weak throwing cub.

"False reality"? What are you talking about? Unless either of us are in the locker room, we have no idea what's being said.

Asomugha was going to take 12-15 million to sign. The Jets made a shitload of cuts, and LT was renegotiating the contract while Asomugha was still in play.

Now, out of the 12-15 million to sign Asomugha, they've basically signed a bunch of role players and Plax. There's no NEED to renegotiate any contracts except for LT, who has a short-term contract.

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When did I say Plax was going to the the #1 WR for the Jets? Santonio is obviously the first option, and Cotchery and Plaxico are 2nd and 3rd.

Hmm, this brings up another question, who ever said you claimed Plax was NYJ's #1? Here we go again. OH and Holmes is not a true #1 either.

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"False reality"? What are you talking about? Unless either of us are in the locker room, we have no idea what's being said.

Asomugha was going to take 12-15 million to sign. The Jets made a shitload of cuts, and LT was renegotiating the contract while Asomugha was still in play.

Now, out of the 12-15 million to sign Asomugha, they've basically signed a bunch of role players and Plax. There's no NEED to renegotiate any contracts except for LT, who has a short-term contract.

Matt, it's being reported everywhere that LT stepped up and offered to redo his contract, as Sanchez claimed in the past, to sign more help for the Jets. Not ONCE has it been reported or even HINTED up to this very second that the Jet management is going to ask LT to restructure his contract. Don't be silly and stop it with this we don't know what's happening unless we are in the locker room. I'm going by what's reported, your going by fanboy hunches and protecting a Jet which is no surprise. And since when did contract restructuring and negotiations take place in the locker room?

Contract restructure: LT not Sanchez...but he's still saying it while others step up. Sanchez, "Absolutely, and my agent's already talked to me about it," Sanchez said last week. "Whatever we need to do to win, it's on." By it's on he means thanks LT for putting your money where my mouth is. (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6821678/source-new-york-jets-ladainian-tomlinson-took-pay-cut-free-cap-space?campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

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Not that LT is poor and hasn't made any money in the NFL, but the guy making 2 million restructures to 1 million vs Sanchez or Revis stepping up. More so Sanchez since he put it out there and soaked up the team guy press like a sponge to water.


Mark Sánchez is willing to put some of his own money on hold for the betterment of the team. :lol:

He is entering his third year and is due to make $14.75 million in base salary this season, but could make as much as $17.75 million with bonuses. Restructuring his deal could help relieve the Jets' salary cap with teams operating at a cap of $120 million this year.

"I think our whole team feels that way," Sánchez said, "(Darrelle) Revis, me, whoever, it doesn't matter."

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Matt, it's being reported everywhere that LT stepped up and offered to redo his contract, as Sanchez claimed in the past, to sign more help for the Jets. Not ONCE has it been reported or even HINTED up to this very second that the Jet management is going to ask LT to restructure his contract.

Oh really?

It hasn't been reported up until today that LT was going to restructure?

Really?

See, I can link too:

https://twitter.com/#!/TheJetsStream/status/96655715992743936

That's the Jets beat writer for a little-known newspaper called the "New York Daily News".

That was reported on July 28th - 3 days ago - when Asomugha was still in play.

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Not that LT is poor and hasn't made any money in the NFL, but the guy making 2 million restructures to 1 million vs Sanchez or Revis stepping up. More so Sanchez since he put it out there and soaked up the team guy press like a sponge to water.

Why are you so hung up on Sanchez restructuring when there is absolutely no need for him to restructure with Asomugha off the market?

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Matt, it's being reported everywhere that LT stepped up and offered to redo his contract,

I'm going by what's reported

Oh. OK. Really.

https://twitter.com/#!/TheJetsStream/statuses/96309047065722880

Been told that #Jets LaDainian Tomlinson will likely be asked to re-work his contract (less money) to free up cap space. #nyj

Again, LT is a short-term solution who is probably not going to be on the Jets next year, as they are using him as a 3rd down back. There is no need, from a business sense, to ASK to re-do contracts of your big money stars you want to keep for a long time when there's no reason to re do them with big name free agents off the market.