2011-12 NFL Season

[underdog]

And I don't even care if everything Snacks is saying is true, I will never, ever side with the owners of the NFL. These players are fucked constantly and it's the biggest sport in the US, by far. The players should get whatever the fuck they want.

[Snoogans]

it currently is a 60 / 40 (close to it like 58 /42) splt why do you think you know everything. just like the nba contracts that you are wrong on. you come here make you post with a remark trying to make it look like someone is posting mis information. right now it is a 60/40 split in favor of the players. the owners get the 1 st billion then it is a 60 / 40 split owners now want min 1st billion then a 50/50 split.

When did i say the players asked for more. i said the players want to keep it as it is they are happy i also said that the owners offered all those things about 3 or 4 posts above but the players didnt accept even after the owners gave into those things

stop with your shit talking. Not once did anyone say, write anything that the owners want 2 billion off the top then the split. before this entire thing ended today they were a billion off not a billion more off the top a billion total of that ended at 600 million off.

they already get a billion. the owners asked for a billion more. thats 2 billion. thats a fact. look it up, and stop insulting me, cause you are so fuckin wrong you are starting to piss me off. shit talking is you dipshit. the players even said we will play with this current agreement. the current agreement is 1. the players never asked for MORE. They never wanted the owners to get LESS. the owners want more and they dont wanna give it up. that extra billion is over the 1 they already get. you are fuckin stupid and talking shit. go the fuck away now. you jsut proved you are a fuckin ass clown

yea, they get 1 bill now. they wanted 2, the players gave back 200 mill, to make it 1.2 the owners get. so they gave back 200 mill to make it 1.8 that they get. hence the 600 mill difference. EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK I SAID

[Snoogans]

Here you go, snacks: (http://www.ajc.com/sports/players-head-to-court-868727.html)

Under the expiring CBA, the owners immediately got about $1 billion before dividing the remainder of revenues with the players; the owners entered negotiations seeking to roughly double that by getting an additional $1 billion up front.

wow. that adds up to 2 billion


HOLY SHIT, YOU ARE WRONG!

[Snacks]

they already get a billion. the owners asked for a billion more. thats 2 billion. thats a fact. look it up, and stop insulting me, cause you are so fuckin wrong you are starting to piss me off. shit talking is you dipshit. the players even said we will play with this current agreement. the current agreement is 1. the players never asked for MORE. They never wanted the owners to get LESS. the owners want more and they dont wanna give it up. that extra billion is over the 1 they already get. you are fuckin stupid and talking shit. go the fuck away now. you jsut proved you are a fuckin ass clown

yea, they get 1 bill now. they wanted 2, the players gave back 200 mill, to make it 1.2 the owners get. so they gave back 200 mill to make it 1.8 that they get. hence the 600 mill difference. EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK I SAID

No shit talking is you and you piss me off too. Why would I care if youre pissed what does that do to me? Do you care when others are pissed at you? No so what the fuck does that mean? You come in here with an attitude like you are the know it all. Instead of saying something like " no i heard something different" you come in and add your nasty cocksucker attitude with "mis information and you are wrong im right , i heard this so im the only one that is right crap"

I have not heard one time the owners are asking for another 1 billion on top to start with before doing splitting. if thats true them im wrong but not once did i read or hear that!

Doesnt matter they gave in to all those other things the players wanted. The owners have a right to make money too. I think all athletes are overpaid and so are the owners but at least the owners risk huge amounts of money are their families fortune. With that risk is reward and before you say players get hurt thats true to but like I said there are 100 players ready to take that 1 persons spot. There isnt 100 rich buyers out there willing to buy one of the teams. I hope the deal is fair to all but in this economy you cant let the players make more then the owners. The players get paid is 100% profit for them with the owners money that they get its not profit they need to pay the other expenses, salaries, maintenance etc. The players % is for their salaries, insurance and retirement.

[Snacks]

Here you go, snacks: (http://www.ajc.com/sports/players-head-to-court-868727.html)



wow. that adds up to 2 billion


HOLY SHIT, YOU ARE WRONG!

and now the players said no because they were 185 million apart. they both should be ashamed that they couldnt split that too.

it appeared the sides were about $185 million apart on how much owners should get up front each season for certain operating expenses before splitting the rest of the revenues with players — a far cry from the $1 billion that separated the sides for so long.

[Snoogans]

yea exactly. btw i would like an apology for you jumping on me when i didnt attack you and i was actually right about where they had started. until then, you can still fuck off, cause im gettin tired of this shit

[underdog]

Doesnt matter they gave in to all those other things the players wanted. The owners have a right to make money too. I think all athletes are overpaid and so are the owners but at least the owners risk huge amounts of money are their families fortune. With that risk is reward and before you say players get hurt thats true to but like I said there are 100 players ready to take that 1 persons spot. There isnt 100 rich buyers out there willing to buy one of the teams. I hope the deal is fair to all but in this economy you cant let the players make more then the owners. The players get paid is 100% profit for them with the owners money that they get its not profit they need to pay the other expenses, salaries, maintenance etc. The players % is for their salaries, insurance and retirement.

Since when is owning a NFL team a risk?!

PLAYING the game is the risk.

The owners should make money. If they're claiming they are losing money and they want their players (who have a life expectancy of about 56 years) to give back money, they should show them their losses.

[Snacks]

Since when is owning a NFL team a risk?!

PLAYING the game is the risk.

The owners should make money. If they're claiming they are losing money and they want their players (who have a life expectancy of about 56 years) to give back money, they should show them their losses.

Anytime you invest your money its a risk. I dont feel bad for any of them. I feel bad for the people that make $10/hour working at the stadium, in the offices, at the nfl store etc!

Fuck the owners and the players.

[epo]

Since when is owning a NFL team a risk?!

PLAYING the game is the risk.

The owners should make money. If they're claiming they are losing money and they want their players (who have a life expectancy of about 56 years) to give back money, they should show them their losses.

Open the books. #UNITY

[underdog]

Anytime you invest your money its a risk. I dont feel bad for any of them. I feel bad for the people that make $10/hour working at the stadium, in the offices, at the nfl store etc!

Fuck the owners and the players.

If this were baseball or basketball, I would agree with your fuck the players stance. The players are literally giving their lives to play this game, for relatively shitty contracts.

[TripleSkeet]

Anytime you invest your money its a risk. I dont feel bad for any of them. I feel bad for the people that make $10/hour working at the stadium, in the offices, at the nfl store etc!


Hey thanks budday!

[KnoxHarrington]

It's just hard for me to see how anyone who's paid attention in any way to these negotiations can blame the players for this. The owners decided on a lockout years ago.

The word "lockout" became a popular term among owners. According to witness testimony and documents filed in recent litigation over NFL television contracts, a lockout was on the agenda of all NFL owners' meetings in 2007 and early 2008. The NFL demanded that documents and testimony from Goodell and others in that litigation be kept under seal and away from public view, but excerpts and fragments were described in public documents filed last week in federal court in Minneapolis.

When the owners had an opportunity in May 2008 to opt out of the arrangement early, they acted quickly and decisively, notifying the players then they intended to terminate the collective bargaining agreement after the 2010 season and negotiate new terms for the 2011 season and beyond.

Internal NFL documents and testimony from Goodell two months ago show that the owners knew early in 2008 that "in order for them to get a new labor deal that works for them, they need to be able to sustain a lockout, which requires financing and requires proper planning." Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told his fellow owners that they "needed to realistically assume they were locking out in 2011" to obtain a CBA that "worked for them."

I highly recommend this article from Lester Munson, who's really one of the best sports legal analysts out there: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6207473

[epo]

So the owners want the players to take a smaller percentage of revenue, play more games and not show their books to prove their claimed hardship?

Fuck them. I don't watch the game to see Daniel Synder vs Jerry Jones. The players are the draw and should counter-offer with less games and more money.

[KnoxHarrington]

So the owners want the players to take a smaller percentage of revenue, play more games and not show their books to prove their claimed hardship?

Fuck them. I don't watch the game to see Daniel Synder vs Jerry Jones. The players are the draw and should counter-offer with less games and more money.

The thing is that the owners are counting on us crawling back to them, like rubes who want to see the bearded lady again, when this is all over. They see no long-term risk in pursuing a lockout.

The sad part is, they're probably right.

[epo]

The thing is that the owners are counting on us crawling back to them, like rubes who want to see the bearded lady again, when this is all over. They see no long-term risk in pursuing a lockout.

The sad part is, they're probably right.

With everything I've seen in the past month, it will be tough for me to ever not side with the union in a situation like this.

#unity

[KnoxHarrington]

With everything I've seen in the past month, it will be tough for me to ever not side with the union in a situation like this.

#unity

There's a tendency to not feel so much sympathy for the players because they make millions of dollars, but it's a basic issue of fairness and negotiating in good faith. The owners plead poverty, claiming they need all this money to avoid disaster, and the players asked for proof, and got back some lame bullshit.

You, clearly, are in the middle of a nearly identical situation.

[epo]

There's a tendency to not feel so much sympathy for the players because they make millions of dollars, but it's a basic issue of fairness and negotiating in good faith. The owners plead poverty, claiming they need all this money to avoid disaster, and the players asked for proof, and got back some lame bullshit.

You, clearly, are in the middle of a nearly identical situation.

Different situation.

But I'll say this: Until the owners open the books, they are not negotiating in good faith with the players union. A negotiation needs some level of trust, and the owners aren't building any trust with the players. Just because they got used to fucking the union (Gene Upshaw) in the past doesn't mean the players should tolerate it.

My first counteroffer would be 14 games, all contracts guaranteed and 65% of revenue.

[Snoogans]

Different situation.

But I'll say this: Until the owners open the books, they are not negotiating in good faith with the players union. A negotiation needs some level of trust, and the owners aren't building any trust with the players. Just because they got used to fucking the union (Gene Upshaw) in the past doesn't mean the players should tolerate it.

My first counteroffer would be 14 games, all contracts guaranteed and 65% of revenue.

i would just like to point out that the NBA has already fully opened its books, including TAX RETURNS FROM EVERY SINGLE OWNER, to their players who hadnt even asked for it yet. When you are losing money, and need change, thats how you get it. show them look, we need to fix this, here is the numbers. THATS how you negotiate a CBA

[Snoogans]

id also like to add that, not a SINGLE NFL team has lost money. Never once. In fact, owning an NFL team was about the only guarantee to make a profit per year owning a sports franchise. The owners want more money cause they are sayin each year they make less profit and EVENTUALLY they will lose money.

Thats why the players are demanding open books. Because the owners are still making profits, and the players wanna make sure the owners really need more off the top

I have not heard one time the owners are asking for another 1 billion on top to start with before doing splitting. if thats true them im wrong but not once did i read or hear that!

then you really didnt read much, cause thats what this WHOLE thing was about. 18 games and all that other shit, the owners and players had pretty much agreed to how to handle. All the players said is hey, you want us to give you more off the top, show us you need that and we will give it to you. The owners said no. How can ANYONE not think the owners are being scumbags. if there really is this big risk as an owner, just show them its true.

[Snoogans]

in fact, the only reason adding 2 games and going to 18 even became a possibility is because the players didnt wanna give the owners more off the top than they already did. once they said that, the owners proposed 18 games as a way to make up the extra money they wanted off the top. That only came up because they couldnt get their extra billion. once that fell apart was when the owners finally began to come off that 2 billion off the top. and the players said we dont care what you offer, if you ask for anything more than the extra 200 mill we offered (meaning 1.2bill off the top) we want to see the books. The owners offered to split their differences, which woulda given the owners 1.5 off the top at that point, and the players said when you show us the books. the owners said no. so the players decertified and sued. thats about exactly how it went down as for the main part of it.

As for all the minor points like benefits and that, i dont really know cause they stopped even talkin about that shit like 3 weeks ago. it didnt even come up til the owners PC where they tried to use that to spin people to thinking they are right

[hanso]

1B to 9B to split now? Did some change fall out off the sofa? Open the books might find multi B's.

[Snoogans]

1B to 9B to split now? Did some change fall out off the sofa? Open the books might find multi B's.

what does this mean? 9 bill is what they get from TV contracts (9.6 actually). on the old CBA, the owners got 1 bill off the top, players got about 56% of the rest. the owners wanted 2 off the top then 50% of the rest. Thats where negotiations started at

[boobieman]

The thing that pissed me off the most about the lock out..they interrupted PTI to bring coverage of the declassification.

This is just what I am thinking. I don't know much. I am a union worker, and I will alway side with the union. Why can't they just do a 50/50 split. The owners are making money, the players are making money. We the fans are willing to pay for the tickets, the packages to watch the games. We buy all the merch. I just feel the owners are like any other big corp, they are making 120% profit(Not fact just using a number) but they feel they can make 160% profit. The greed is amazing. I guess I look at it from my point and if I made 100 million, I would not care if I could make 120 million. As long as I am making money. I don't want to hear that they are not. TV rating last year were the biggest ever, and they will stay that way. Hell, last years draft they changed to Thursday night and got big rating. Their are more damn network commercial breaks during a game then ever. Ticket prices are crazy. I very rarely buy tickets, but if I do I know I am going to pay a high price. The owners say they want the players to be safe, but they want to add more games. It is like NYC, they don't want you to smoke, but they let the sale of cigarettes and tax the hell out of them.

If the owners are really losing money why don't they just open the books and prove it. The owners feel that "Well if it was not for the owners then their would be no team, no stadium" and the players are "well if it was not for us, no one would watch or come to the game" Just split it down the middle and end it.

If their is no season next year, that will suck, only sport I look forward to. If it is half season, it would still suck, but only half suck. If they use scrubs, I will not watch. it would be like watching Europe NFL, shitty players.

My luck they will use scrubs and the Eagles will win the Super Bowl.

Just my two-cents..now off to read Punisher comic books..WTF do i know.

SSEYAYYEAAAA

[hanso]

Same for ncaa basketball. Rome was off most of the week.

[cougarjake13]

The thing that pissed me off the most about the lock out..they interrupted PTI to bring coverage of the declassification.

This is just what I am thinking. I don't know much. I am a union worker, and I will alway side with the union. Why can't they just do a 50/50 split. The owners are making money, the players are making money. We the fans are willing to pay for the tickets, the packages to watch the games. We buy all the merch. I just feel the owners are like any other big corp, they are making 120% profit(Not fact just using a number) but they feel they can make 160% profit. The greed is amazing. I guess I look at it from my point and if I made 100 million, I would not care if I could make 120 million. As long as I am making money. I don't want to hear that they are not. TV rating last year were the biggest ever, and they will stay that way. Hell, last years draft they changed to Thursday night and got big rating. Their are more damn network commercial breaks during a game then ever. Ticket prices are crazy. I very rarely buy tickets, but if I do I know I am going to pay a high price. The owners say they want the players to be safe, but they want to add more games. It is like NYC, they don't want you to smoke, but they let the sale of cigarettes and tax the hell out of them.

If the owners are really losing money why don't they just open the books and prove it. The owners feel that "Well if it was not for the owners then their would be no team, no stadium" and the players are "well if it was not for us, no one would watch or come to the game" Just split it down the middle and end it.

If their is no season next year, that will suck, only sport I look forward to. If it is half season, it would still suck, but only half suck. If they use scrubs, I will not watch. it would be like watching Europe NFL, shitty players.

My luck they will use scrubs and the Eagles will win the Super Bowl.

Just my two-cents..now off to read Punisher comic books..WTF do i know.

SSEYAYYEAAAA



now im not 100% sure on this but i think that there cant be scab players

bc the players arent striking its the owners locking them out so if the owners end the lockout without a new deal i think the current players have the right to play i dont think they can ban them and use scabs



in 87 they used scabs bc the players went on strike and owners werent locking anyone out so when the nfl players didnt show up they went and got scabs

[Snacks]

now im not 100% sure on this but i think that there cant be scab players

bc the players arent striking its the owners locking them out so if the owners end the lockout without a new deal i think the current players have the right to play i dont think they can ban them and use scabs



in 87 they used scabs bc the players went on strike and owners werent locking anyone out so when the nfl players didnt show up they went and got scabs

I thought they could. They lock out their current player and use players willing to play under their rules with no union? Thats what I thought but I could be wrong. Scabs or not I would watch. My fantasy team would be harder to pick but as long as there is football Im watching!

[cougarjake13]

I thought they could. They lock out their current player and use players willing to play under their rules with no union? Thats what I thought but I could be wrong. Scabs or not I would watch. My fantasy team would be harder to pick but as long as there is football Im watching!

yeh but there are no rules, and no cba so i dont know if the owners culd just say they are locking out current players and use new ones

[Crispy123]

yeh but there are no rules, and no cba so i dont know if the owners culd just say they are locking out current players and use new ones

Part of the antitrust lawsuit filed by the players including Brady, Manning, and Brees (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nfllabor-antitrust) asks the court to order an injunction preventing a lockout and tripling the damages caused by the suit. The owners are going to be forced to show their financials anyways to fight the antitrust accusations so this will be interesting.

[Snoogans]

now im not 100% sure on this but i think that there cant be scab players

bc the players arent striking its the owners locking them out so if the owners end the lockout without a new deal i think the current players have the right to play i dont think they can ban them and use scabs



in 87 they used scabs bc the players went on strike and owners werent locking anyone out so when the nfl players didnt show up they went and got scabs

I thought they could. They lock out their current player and use players willing to play under their rules with no union? Thats what I thought but I could be wrong. Scabs or not I would watch. My fantasy team would be harder to pick but as long as there is football Im watching!

they cant use replacement players cause this is a lockout. They are locking out employees and cancelling games. They only use replacements during a strike where the players choose to walk. this is the owners shutting down games, so there is no games to play guys

[boobieman]

they cant use replacement players cause this is a lockout. They are locking out employees and cancelling games. They only use replacements during a strike where the players choose to walk. this is the owners shutting down games, so there is no games to play guys

But could the owners say since they are not under contract, and since their is no union they can put anyone out of the field. I hope it does not come to this but I wonder if they could.

Maybe I could try out..no wait..the eagles already have players who can't block or stop a quarterback in a purple outifit...sorry just venting.

SSEYAYAYAAAEE

[Snoogans]

But could the owners say since they are not under contract, and since their is no union they can put anyone out of the field. I hope it does not come to this but I wonder if they could.

Maybe I could try out..no wait..the eagles already have players who can't block or stop a quarterback in a purple outifit...sorry just venting.

SSEYAYAYAAAEE

the fact that there is no union now puts the NFL and the owners in violation of anti trust laws. They are techincally a monopoly, and without a union to negotiate a CBA (a CBA is agreed to by employees which removes the dangers of monopolies and exempts sports from anti trust) they cant have games cause they would be in violation of anti trust laws. thats why the players filed lawsuits. if they tried to hold games with replacements without a CBA, they would be in violation of federal laws and would get HEAVY HEAVY fines and possibly jail

[boobieman]

the fact that there is no union now puts the NFL and the owners in violation of anti trust laws. They are techincally a monopoly, and without a union to negotiate a CBA (a CBA is agreed to by employees which removes the dangers of monopolies and exempts sports from anti trust) they cant have games cause they would be in violation of anti trust laws. thats why the players filed lawsuits. if they tried to hold games with replacements without a CBA, they would be in violation of federal laws and would get HEAVY HEAVY fines and possibly jail

Thanks. Did not know that. Would not mind seeing Jerry Jones being someone's bitch.

SSEYYAYEAAAAA

[Snoogans]

Thanks. Did not know that. Would not mind seeing Jerry Jones being someone's bitch.

SSEYYAYEAAAAA

its not just football. same is the case for all american pro sports, even MLS now

[epo]

Goodell is doing such a great job ruining the golden goose that is the NFL.

[spoon]

Since when is owning a NFL team a risk?!

PLAYING the game is the risk.

The owners should make money. If they're claiming they are losing money and they want their players (who have a life expectancy of about 56 years) to give back money, they should show them their losses.

I'd LOVE to see the average age of the owners currently as a comparison, not to mention their life expectancy!

[spoon]

Anytime you invest your money its a risk. I dont feel bad for any of them. I feel bad for the people that make $10/hour working at the stadium, in the offices, at the nfl store etc!

Fuck the owners and the players.

Hey thanks budday!

Well, there are some overpaid too.

:innocent:

[spoon]

Part of the antitrust lawsuit filed by the players including Brady, Manning, and Brees (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nfllabor-antitrust) asks the court to order an injunction preventing a lockout and tripling the damages caused by the suit. The owners are going to be forced to show their financials anyways to fight the antitrust accusations so this will be interesting.

As I've said in the past, I really gained even more respect for those three taking the public lead on this lawsuit and giving their side a face. I really can't wait to see the books too.

[underdog]

As I've said in the past, I really gained even more respect for those three taking the public lead on this lawsuit and giving their side a face. I really can't wait to see the books too.

Brees has been very vocal through the whole thing. It's really nice to see the players really standing up.

[Snoogans]

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Chad Ochocinco will try to play a different kind of football during the NFL lockout.

Never short on publicity-grabbing ideas, the Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver is set for a four-day tryout with Sporting Kansas City of Major League Soccer starting Tuesday.

The club said Wednesday that after the tryout, it would determine whether to extend the trial period.

"We're always searching for players who can help our team and bringing in new talent," Sporting Kansas City manager Peter Vermes said. "We know that Chad is an exceptional athlete and that he loves the sport of soccer, and he did play a lot when he was younger. We're excited to see how his skills will translate once he arrives next week and begins training with our team."

Ochocinco started playing soccer at age 4 but chose to focus on football in high school.

"Due to the NFL lockout, I'm excited to be able to follow my childhood dream of playing for a Major League Soccer team," Ochocinco said.

[TheGameHHH]

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Chad Ochocinco will try to play a different kind of football during the NFL lockout.

Never short on publicity-grabbing ideas, the Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver is set for a four-day tryout with Sporting Kansas City of Major League Soccer starting Tuesday.

The club said Wednesday that after the tryout, it would determine whether to extend the trial period.

"We're always searching for players who can help our team and bringing in new talent," Sporting Kansas City manager Peter Vermes said. "We know that Chad is an exceptional athlete and that he loves the sport of soccer, and he did play a lot when he was younger. We're excited to see how his skills will translate once he arrives next week and begins training with our team."

Ochocinco started playing soccer at age 4 but chose to focus on football in high school.

"Due to the NFL lockout, I'm excited to be able to follow my childhood dream of playing for a Major League Soccer team," Ochocinco said.

He's been tweeting every drill he's been doing during tryouts, its actually kind of entertaining

[spoon]

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Chad Ochocinco will try to play a different kind of football during the NFL lockout.

Never short on publicity-grabbing ideas, the Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver is set for a four-day tryout with Sporting Kansas City of Major League Soccer starting Tuesday.

The club said Wednesday that after the tryout, it would determine whether to extend the trial period.

"We're always searching for players who can help our team and bringing in new talent," Sporting Kansas City manager Peter Vermes said. "We know that Chad is an exceptional athlete and that he loves the sport of soccer, and he did play a lot when he was younger. We're excited to see how his skills will translate once he arrives next week and begins training with our team."

Ochocinco started playing soccer at age 4 but chose to focus on football in high school.

"Due to the NFL lockout, I'm excited to be able to follow my childhood dream of playing for a Major League Soccer team," Ochocinco said.

MLS wasn't around when he was a kid.

[hanso]

He could play for the Strikers.


Bah ha hah ha!!

[Justice4all]

"John Mara recently announced Giants season-ticket holders won't be required to pay until the lockout is resolved. The Giants are the only NFL team taking this approach."

Proof that the organization at least gives a slight crap about their fans. Makes me a little more proud to be a fan.

[Justice4all]

"I think the hero of the week doesn't want to be the hero of the week. John Mara, I mean. Mara and co-owner Steve Tisch of the Giants agreed to let fans forego season-ticket payments until the lockout ends. "We were in a unique situation with what we've asked our season-ticket holders to do in the last two years,'' Mara said Sunday afternoon. "I cringe when I read, 'The Giants are doing it right, and everyone else is wrong.' That's not it. It was just a gesture we felt was right after all the financial obligations our tickets holders have faced with the building of the new stadium.''



Proof that the organization at least gives a slight crap about their fans. Makes me a little more proud to be a Giants fan.

Sorry...had to fix it.

[TripleSkeet]

"John Mara recently announced Giants season-ticket holders won't be required to pay until the lockout is resolved. The Giants are the only NFL team taking this approach."

Proof that the organization at least gives a slight crap about their fans. Makes me a little more proud to be a fan.

As an Eagles fan it kills me to give them credit but that was a very classy move.

[spoon]

Say what you will, but that org is the total opposite of another NY team...in fact pretty much any other NY team period. But my main dif is the ownership's stance on their league and use of their huge market/money/power versus those pin striped assholes.

[cougarjake13]

MLS wasn't around when he was a kid.

as a kid no but he was 15 when MLS was formed and 18 when it started playing in 96

[Justice4all]

Say what you will, but that org is the total opposite of another NY team...in fact pretty much any other NY team period. But my main dif is the ownership's stance on their league and use of their huge market/money/power versus those pin striped assholes.

I can SEE your negative stance on the Yankees and, to a lesser extent, the Mets, but aside from them they are the ONLY Ny sports team you could have those gripes about, IMHO

[spoon]

I can SEE your negative stance on the Yankees and, to a lesser extent, the Mets, but aside from them they are the ONLY Ny sports team you could have those gripes about, IMHO

How so? I truly think no other NY sports team comes even close to having such a huge POSITIVE impact on it's sports, took such an unselfish role in their approach and seemingly the majority of it's dealing with fans and media. There are always exceptions, and I've had more doubts with their most recent ownership, but their past is outstanding. The Mets are and have been a mess for a long long time, the Islanders play in a concrete hole with ridiculous owner and management, the yankees couldn't be more greedy, biased in their dealings with mlb and influence since day one and have a HUGE negative impact overall on the league (don't give me the fan base/attendance throughout argument or the overall love out there/front runners). Knicks have been nothing short of comical for a decade now, probably longer. Rangers, well what can another 50 years hurt? Devils, fill an arena during the regular season, let alone the playoffs and we'll talk. Nets, HA!

Sorry, don't see it. Perhaps you meant the Whalers until they left bc you were in a coma?

[JimBeam]

Not sure if the lockout issue has its own thread or not so I'll post this here and hope people have an answer.

With regards to how this judge rules, if she says the playes can have the injunction, how is it that any judge can force businesses to do business ?

I mean if the owners decide they don't want to open their stadiums or put a team on the filed this year how can they be compelled to do so ?

I'm just curious from a legal perspective how that can happen.

I mean we had state senators leave their jobs and not come back and there was seemingly nothing that could be done but yet football players can be allowed to use their employers facilities ?

Also if the players are no longer part of a union, and all of the rulings go in their favor, are they allowed to then just go back to a union when the season starts ?

How could that be allowed ?

Wouldn't that be seen, as it is, just a way to get around the rules ?

[Snoogans]

Not sure if the lockout issue has its own thread or not so I'll post this here and hope people have an answer.

With regards to how this judge rules, if she says the playes can have the injunction, how is it that any judge can force businesses to do business ?

I mean if the owners decide they don't want to open their stadiums or put a team on the filed this year how can they be compelled to do so ?

I'm just curious from a legal perspective how that can happen.

I mean we had state senators leave their jobs and not come back and there was seemingly nothing that could be done but yet football players can be allowed to use their employers facilities ?

Also if the players are no longer part of a union, and all of the rulings go in their favor, are they allowed to then just go back to a union when the season starts ?

How could that be allowed ?

Wouldn't that be seen, as it is, just a way to get around the rules ?

the NFL is not a regular business. Without a CBA the NFL is in violation of anti trust laws. If she rules they have to play by the current CBA til their is a new one, they dont have to listen. They would just be in violation of federal law and go to jail. You cant use regular business stuff and apply it to sports because of anti trust and exemptions. Its not the same

[JimBeam]

What about the decertification of the union ?

Wouldn't it seem as if they say they aren't a union that they can't then reassemble as a union if they win ?

Would they have to wait a period of time before they could " become " a union again ?

I thought I heard at one point that back in the 90's or so they actually played w/o a union for some period of time. Then again I could've invented that in my head.

[JimBeam]

And also if the owners are currently not doing business wouldn't they not be violating anti-trust laws ?

My thinking is the anti-trust is if they do business and monopolize they are in violation but NOT acting as a league would mean nothing.

Again from the legal perspective, anti-trust or otherwise, I wonder how businessed can be made to spend their money to operate.

Not that it would ever happen but let's say an owner decided to pay all employees, regardless of job, minimum wage. Clearly he wouldn't be able to fill 80% of his jobs.

So he wouldn't be able to open the statudium and put a team on the field.

How would a judge compell them to operate w/o a workforce ?

I know it's never get to that point but wouldn't that tactic but equal to the players saying they aren't a union ?

[Snoogans]

And also if the owners are currently not doing business wouldn't they not be violating anti-trust laws ?

My thinking is the anti-trust is if they do business and monopolize they are in violation but NOT acting as a league would mean nothing.

Again from the legal perspective, anti-trust or otherwise, I wonder how businessed can be made to spend their money to operate.

Not that it would ever happen but let's say an owner decided to pay all employees, regardless of job, minimum wage. Clearly he wouldn't be able to fill 80% of his jobs.

So he wouldn't be able to open the statudium and put a team on the field.

How would a judge compell them to operate w/o a workforce ?

I know it's never get to that point but wouldn't that tactic but equal to the players saying they aren't a union ?

the problem is, there is no union. As per the exemptions, they arent alllowed to lock out the players if they have no union. It would be a violation of anti trust laws because they are not working under a CBA. Basically, they have to be under a CBA to be exempt from anti trust. By locking out the players, they are no longer under a CBA, making them in violation of anti trust. Thats why they may not be allowed to lock out. If there was still a union, they could, because it would be a union choice not to accept a deal. Thats why they had to decertify

[Snacks]

the NFL is not a regular business. Without a CBA the NFL is in violation of anti trust laws. If she rules they have to play by the current CBA til their is a new one, they dont have to listen. They would just be in violation of federal law and go to jail. You cant use regular business stuff and apply it to sports because of anti trust and exemptions. Its not the same

But there is another league now. So anti trust laws should be gone. The whole reason for anti trust law waiver in the nfl is that there is no competition, they hold the monopoly. But now that there is the UFL thats not the case. These players can go play somewhere else and get paid just not as much.

Thats another thing that makes you wonder. Why is there even such a thing as an anti trust law? If no one else creates or does a business similar to you why is that your fault? You cant force other leagues to open. As long as you dont force them to close (or any business) then why is this an issue?

And this is the case for any business. Not just football. What if no one in the world wanted to make cars other then GM? Why would that be there problem?

[Snacks]

the problem is, there is no union. As per the exemptions, they arent alllowed to lock out the players if they have no union. It would be a violation of anti trust laws because they are not working under a CBA. Basically, they have to be under a CBA to be exempt from anti trust. By locking out the players, they are no longer under a CBA, making them in violation of anti trust. Thats why they may not be allowed to lock out. If there was still a union, they could, because it would be a union choice not to accept a deal. Thats why they had to decertify

Exactly, but when they locked the players out they were still a union. So at the time of the lock out there was a CBA. Plus like I said there is another professional leagues so they shouldnt be an anti trust issue. I know it is but it shouldnt be!

Its just nonsense.

[Snoogans]

But there is another league now. So anti trust laws should be gone. The whole reason for anti trust law waiver in the nfl is that there is no competition, they hold the monopoly. But now that there is the UFL thats not the case. These players can go play somewhere else and get paid just not as much.

Thats another thing that makes you wonder. Why is there even such a thing as an anti trust law? If no one else creates or does a business similar to you why is that your fault? You cant force other leagues to open. As long as you dont force them to close (or any business) then why is this an issue?

And this is the case for any business. Not just football. What if no one in the world wanted to make cars other then GM? Why would that be there problem?

Exactly, but when they locked the players out they were still a union. So at the time of the lock out there was a CBA. Plus like I said there is another professional leagues so they shouldnt be an anti trust issue. I know it is but it shouldnt be!

Its just nonsense.

im not sayin i agree with it or dont. im just sayin why it is the case.

In terms of the anti trust thing, its not about another league. NFL contracts with TV have exclusivity and they have agreements with college not to play games certain times, etc. Its about those that violate antitrust, not so much they are the only place to work. Its more than the NFL and its contracts directly harm tghat other league.

[Snoogans]

a simple example would be - Any network that carries NFL games are not allowed to show UFL games or they would void the contracts they have with the NFL. Shit like that is what makes it anti trust issue, not so much the no competition. There are a few different things that make something in violation of anti trust. Its not just all about having no competing league

[JimBeam]

So couldn't the judge rule that they don't get the anti-trust benefit before she could rule that they have to allow players onto their property ?

Say even if she made them play football couldn't the owners still say that the stadiums are there private property ( obviously not those that are loacally owned ) and no anti-trust law says I have to let you use my gym.

Again back to staffing. Couldn't the owners say that they aren't employing trainers anymore and that if players want them they are more than welcome to pay for them ?

Again I'm sure it's all much more complicated than I'm viewing it ( although it shouldn't be ) but I just can't see how anybody, outside of gov't workers, can be forced to do business if they chose not to do so.

There shouldn't be a " right to work " as an NFL player.

[Snoogans]

So couldn't the judge rule that they don't get the anti-trust benefit before she could rule that they have to allow players onto their property ?

Say even if she made them play football couldn't the owners still say that the stadiums are there private property ( obviously not those that are loacally owned ) and no anti-trust law says I have to let you use my gym.

Again back to staffing. Couldn't the owners say that they aren't employing trainers anymore and that if players want them they are more than welcome to pay for them ?

Again I'm sure it's all much more complicated than I'm viewing it ( although it shouldn't be ) but I just can't see how anybody, outside of gov't workers, can be forced to do business if they chose not to do so.

There shouldn't be a " right to work " as an NFL player.

i dont know man. im not a lawyer. i dont know all the little intricacies that make it illegal. she hasnt even ruled yet. maybe she will rule with the NFL. I guess we will find out in a couple weeks

[JimBeam]

It wasn't aimed at you specifically. More rhetorical I guess.

[Justice4all]

Brandon Marshall marries a real winner! Didn't know he was a whipped dude. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/23/dolphins.marshall.stabbed/index.html?hpt=T2)

What's up in the water down in Southern Florida? First Tiger Wood's wife chases after him with a golf club, now this. Too funny.

[Snoogans]

Brandon Marshall marries a real winner! Didn't know he was a whipped dude. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/23/dolphins.marshall.stabbed/index.html?hpt=T2)

What's up in the water down in Southern Florida? First Tiger Wood's wife chases after him with a golf club, now this. Too funny.

yea hilarious. the guy is in intensive care from stab wounds. So funny. And how do you make the jump he is whipped cause he got stabbed? Whipped means he does whatever she says. Im gonna go ahead and say thats not what got him stabbed

What a fuckin jerkoff you are

[JimBeam]

I think I read that his agent said he should be fine.

He better hope he's still got employment benefits or else that hospital stay could cost him a bundle.

[Snoogans]

I think I read that his agent said he should be fine.

He better hope he's still got employment benefits or else that hospital stay could cost him a bundle.

yea i read none of his vital organs were pierced. But still, the guy was in ICU and needed a pretty decent surgery to fix shit up. Im gonna go ahead and file that under Not very Funny

[Snoogans]

According to a BSO report Nogami-Marshall "armed herself with a kitchen knife" and stabbed Marshall in the abdomen. But Marshall, 27, gave police a different version of events, claiming he slipped on broken glass.

"The victim provided sworn testimony advising that he slipped and fell onto a broken glass vase," the report states. "However, the area where the vase was broken indicated no blood within the immediate area to substantiate his claim."

Nogami-Marshall admitted stabbing her husband of a year and a half, according to the report.

"She stated she stabbed the victim out of self defense," the report states.

The couple were reluctant to give detectives additional details about the altercation. "Both the victim and defendant provided scant information regarding the incident itself," the report said.

sounds like he was being menacing, maybe threw the vase at her or just broke it to scare her. She freaked out, grabbed a knife, and stabbed him. Not very whipped and really not funny at all

[JimBeam]

I only saw the scroll at the bottom of ESPN and haven't looked for an article.

Are there details about the crazy broad out there ?

[sailor]

yea i read none of his vital organs were pierced. But still, the guy was in ICU and needed a pretty decent surgery to fix shit up. Im gonna go ahead and file that under Not very Funny

people joke about a couple dieing of bee stings here. it's what people do. why is a joke here beyond the pale?

[Tenbatsuzen]

people joke about a couple dieing of bee stings here. it's what people do. why is a joke here beyond the pale?

It's new Sensitive Snoogans. For God's sake, Death Metal Moe went to a sporting event and a Lady Gaga concert. SHIT IS TURNING UPSIDE DOWN MAN

[TheGameHHH]

people joke about a couple dieing of bee stings here. it's what people do. why is a joke here beyond the pale?

its totally funny, im not sure what he's talking about.

im already thinking about how to incorporate this incident into my fantasy football team name this year.

[Snoogans]

people joke about a couple dieing of bee stings here. it's what people do. why is a joke here beyond the pale?

i dont know. i guess thats a decent point, but just the way he called him whipped and said whats up with the shit in florida, too funny. Its like he actually found what happened funny. People make jokes to make people laugh but most of the time, i never get the feeling they actually think what happened was funny, just want to make something funny of it

[Snoogans]

again, jokes about shit wouldnt have rubbed me that way. I actually got the feeling Tom legitimately thinks this is funny. Maybe its the whole domestic abuse side of it. If you read the articles, marshall was basically whipping this chicks ass from what it seems, and she defender herself. I dont think that story is funny.

Jokes can be made from it that are funny. But him saying what happened is funny just bothered me. Again, I dont think anyone really thinks its funny old people died from bee stings. But you can make jokes that are funny. I dont know how no one sees what I meant

[Snoogans]

i made jokes about that luge guy who died. But i dont think him dying is funny. thats kinda what i mean. Tom didnt make a joke about this. He laughed at it as if what happened is funny. Thats why it bothered me

[Tenbatsuzen]

i dont know. i guess thats a decent point, but just the way he called him whipped and said whats up with the shit in florida, too funny. Its like he actually found what happened funny. People make jokes to make people laugh but most of the time, i never get the feeling they actually think what happened was funny, just want to make something funny of it

You know, in the McNair thread, you berated people for the Benoit photoshops, so at least you're consistent.

[Snoogans]

You know, in the McNair thread, you berated people for the Benoit photoshops, so at least you're consistent.

yea that was another time where it seemed people were laughing at what happened as opposed to trying to joke about it to make laughs.

[Snacks]

yea hilarious. the guy is in intensive care from stab wounds. So funny. And how do you make the jump he is whipped cause he got stabbed? Whipped means he does whatever she says. Im gonna go ahead and say thats not what got him stabbed

What a fuckin jerkoff you are

Exactly. I had no idea he was married and didnt hear about this til now. Sad news. But whats even sadder is she was released on $7500 bond. Could you imagine if it was a guy who stabbed his wife? The bail/bond would be a million!

[Snoogans]

Exactly. I had no idea he was married and didnt hear about this til now. Sad news. But whats even sadder is she was released on $7500 bond. Could you imagine if it was a guy who stabbed his wife? The bail/bond would be a million!

apparently she was being attacked and thats why she stabbed him. thats why the bond is so low and thats why a vase was broken too

[sailor]

i made jokes about that luge guy who died. But i dont think him dying is funny. thats kinda what i mean. Tom didnt make a joke about this. He laughed at it as if what happened is funny. Thats why it bothered me

fair enough.

[spoon]

im already thinking about how to incorporate this incident into my fantasy football team name this year.
Same here!

[Snoogans]

your fantasy fantasy foot ball teams where we make up stats cause there are no games

[spoon]

The season will happen. Not a chance in the world it doesn't and they throw away all this money in such a shit economic time. May not be a full season but surely close.

[KnoxHarrington]

The season will happen. Not a chance in the world it doesn't and they throw away all this money in such a shit economic time. May not be a full season but surely close.

We have quite a ways to go in this before any games would actually be cancelled. The season isn't in jeopardy...yet.

[Snoogans]

We have quite a ways to go in this before any games would actually be cancelled. The season isn't in jeopardy...yet.

im worried the NBA is gonna fuck it all up too

[KnoxHarrington]

im worried the NBA is gonna fuck it all up too

Yeah, the NBA is at a far larger disadvantage here in that they have far less time to get this all worked out before actually having to cancel games.

The NFL probably has until August to get this wrapped up with no interruption of games. They might have to cancel exhibition games, but who gives a fuck about that. The NBA has a lot less time to work with.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, the NBA is at a far larger disadvantage here in that they have far less time to get this all worked out before actually having to cancel games.

The NFL probably has until August to get this wrapped up with no interruption of games. They might have to cancel exhibition games, but who gives a fuck about that. The NBA has a lot less time to work with.

the NBA also has alot bigger money problems than the NFL despite all the record attendance and ratings this year

[jonyrotn]

your fantasy fantasy foot ball teams where we make up stats cause there are no games
I'm hoping I get a 0-0 in my $10k super bowl box..

[KnoxHarrington]

A federal judge has issued an injunction ordering owners to end the lockout.

Which doesn't mean there will be games anytime soon.

U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson ordered an immediate end to the lockout Monday, siding with the players in their fight with the owners over how to divide the $9 billion business.

Nelson granted a request for a preliminary injunction to lift the two-month lockout, saying she was swayed by the players’ argument that the NFL’s first work stoppage since 1987 is hurting their careers.

The plaintiffs "have made a strong showing that allowing the League to continue their ’lockout’ is presently inflicting, and will continue to inflict, irreparable harm upon them, particularly when weighed against the lack of any real injury that would be imposed on the NFL by issuing the preliminary injunction," Nelson wrote.

The NFL said it would ask Nelson to put her order on hold with a stay so it can pursue an expedited appeal to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis.

"We believe that federal law bars injunctions in labor disputes," the league said. "We are confident that the Eighth Circuit will agree. But we also believe that this dispute will inevitably end with a collective bargaining agreement, which would be in the best interests of players, clubs and fans. We can reach a fair agreement only if we continue negotiations toward that goal."

Said Jim Quinn, an attorney for the players: "They better act quickly, because as of right now there’s no stay and, presumably, players could sign with teams. There are no guidelines as of right now, so they have to put something in place quickly.

"It is their league: They can put it whatever they decide. If they put in something not restrictive to the players and fair to the players, that is fine. If not, we will litigate."

If the injunction is upheld, the NFL must resume business, although under what guidelines is uncertain.

It could invoke the 2010 rules for free agency, meaning players would need six seasons of service before becoming unrestricted free agents when their contracts expire; previously, it was four years. The requirement for unrestricted free agents would be four years rather than the three years before 2010. There also was no salary cap in 2010, meaning teams could spend as much - or as little - as they wanted.

Also, the NFL would need to determine what or if offseason workouts can be held while the appeal is being heard.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view.bg?articleid=1333203&utm_source=Enews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ARTICLE_Judge+orders+end+to+NFL+locko ut,+appeal+expected_DATE_04-25-2011--18.16

I dunno, it's way too early to either celebrate or freak out. There's still a long way to the season.

[Snoogans]

they are so stretching for some kinda news that on 1050am they actually spent 10 minutes talking to roger cosack or whatever asking him whether the NFL could win its appeal because only 2 of the 11 judges of the supreme court were appointed by a democrat and the rest were appointed by a Bush

[Justice4all]

yea hilarious. the guy is in intensive care from stab wounds. So funny. And how do you make the jump he is whipped cause he got stabbed? Whipped means he does whatever she says. Im gonna go ahead and say thats not what got him stabbed

What a fuckin jerkoff you are

Did you READ the story wise-ass? He obviously was trying to cover for his wife. THAT'S what makes him whipped. You dumb fuck

[Snoogans]

Did you READ the story wise-ass? He obviously was trying to cover for his wife. THAT'S what makes him whipped. You dumb fuck

actually, if she stabbed him in self defense, him sayin he fell on a broken vase would be covering his own ass. He has a history of domestic violence and if he menaced her somehow or straight threw the vase at her, and she felt the need to defend herself he wouldnt want that being out. She will get off for it regardless, he is tryin to save his own ass. Thats why she straight told the truth. He isnt covering for her. You got it ass backwards, like usual

[Justice4all]

i dont know. i guess thats a decent point, but just the way he called him whipped and said whats up with the shit in florida, too funny. Its like he actually found what happened funny. People make jokes to make people laugh but most of the time, i never get the feeling they actually think what happened was funny, just want to make something funny of it

It's funny with all the women in SOUTH FLORIDA going ape-shit on their men...THAT'S the funny part. Funny as in strange.
And again....it's just Snoogans being Snoogans.
It's only funny if SNOOGANS thinks it's funny.

Sorry...didn't know this was your show

[Justice4all]

The season will happen. Not a chance in the world it doesn't and they throw away all this money in such a shit economic time. May not be a full season but surely close.

Let's hope you're totally wrong.

[sailor]

Let's hope you're totally wrong.

not a fan of the football?

[Snoogans]

It's funny with all the women in SOUTH FLORIDA going ape-shit on their men...THAT'S the funny part. Funny as in strange.
And again....it's just Snoogans being Snoogans.
It's only funny if SNOOGANS thinks it's funny.

Sorry...didn't know this was your show

is it strange? A guy cheats on his wife a 100 times so she gets pissed. thats actually pretty logical. A man possibly throws a vase at his wife so she gets mad and fights back. Again pretty logical.

And again, you fail to see the point. Jokes would be funny. You didnt make any. You thought that what happened is actually funny. Its actually really fucked up and sad. The last thing that would ever cross my mind about the facts of the story is humor. And yea, excuse me for commenting on something you said publicly. What an asshole i am for using a messageboard to voice my opinion. You are really dumb, Tom

[TripleSkeet]

im worried the NBA is gonna fuck it all up too

Youre worried, Im excited.

[Snoogans]

Youre worried, Im excited.

why do you hate on the NBA, aside from the fact you hate black people? And even if you didnt like it, why would you root for it to fail and cost all the non NBA players who will lose their jobs? Why not just change the channel?

[CountryBob]

why do you hate on the NBA, aside from the fact you hate black people? And even if you didnt like it, why would you root for it to fail and cost all the non NBA players who will lose their jobs? Why not just change the channel?

Why so serious?

[Snoogans]

Why so serious?

so that i find out the reason he hates the NBA. hence was the question. Im just assuming he hates blacks cause he is from Philly

[TripleSkeet]

Why so serious?

This.

[TripleSkeet]

so that i find out the reason he hates the NBA. hence was the question. Im just assuming he hates blacks cause he is from Philly

I dont really hate the NBA. I just dont find it as fun to watch as I used to. I dont WANT them to fold up, Im pretty much indifferent to it. If it were gone I wouldnt even miss it at all.

[Justice4all]

not a fan of the football?

Sorry...mis-read what he wrote. Thought he said the season won't happen. I take it back.

[Justice4all]

Albert Haynesworth proves once again he's too stupid to stay out of trouble. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/26/washington.redskins.haynesworth/index.html?hpt=T2)

This guy is just going to wind up on the Cowboys. Wait and see.

[PapaBear]

Albert Haynesworth proves once again he's too stupid to stay out of trouble. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/26/washington.redskins.haynesworth/index.html?hpt=T2)

This guy is just going to wind up on the Cowboys. Wait and see.
This story has almost been a side note in DC for many, many months. And the "ending up in Dallas" thing is a tired 90's joke.

[Snacks]

This story has almost been a side note in DC for many, many months. And the "ending up in Dallas" thing is a tired 90's joke.

All that story is about is an old issue that took this long to charge. You live in the area PB can you explain how he even got charged. From what I read back when it happened he was paying his bill she told him to put it down her shirt and she then got pissed because he stayed there to long or moved his hand around etc? If thats true what did she think he was going to do when she told him to go down her shirt?

[PapaBear]

All that story is about is an old issue that took this long to charge. You live in the area PB can you explain how he even got charged. From what I read back when it happened he was paying his bill she told him to put it down her shirt and she then got pissed because he stayed there to long or moved his hand around etc? If thats true what did she think he was going to do when she told him to go down her shirt?
From what I've seen about the story is, he did something stupid and totally offensive, after she was too stupid to realize that an asshole like him would do something stupid. And no one in DC gives a shit about Albert Haynesworth.

[spe5150]

Albert Haynesworth proves once again he's too stupid to stay out of trouble. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/26/washington.redskins.haynesworth/index.html?hpt=T2)

This guy is just going to wind up on the Cowboys. Wait and see.

This story has almost been a side note in DC for many, many months. And the "ending up in Dallas" thing is a tired 90's joke.

Exactly. Now the joke is, "...and he'll end up on the Raiders."

edit: And with that in mind: oh, bruddah! (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Oakland-Raiders-get-a-new-ridiculous-stadiu?urn=nfl-wp1313)

[Snoogans]

in honor of the events of this evening

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[TripleSkeet]

in honor of the events of this evening

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That never fails to make me laugh.

[Snacks]

in honor of the events of this evening

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Every team makes mistakes, my team has made some bad 2nd rounders lately. But damn no team has fucked up in the 1st round as much as the Jets.

I love that video!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Every team makes mistakes, my team has made some bad 2nd rounders lately. But damn no team has fucked up in the 1st round as much as the Jets.

I love that video!

Although I'm the first to admit the Jets made some awful picks when Leon Hess owned the team, the culture change when Woody Johnson came in speaks volumes:

Let's review:

Since 2000 in the first round:

Jets have drafted six pro-bowlers (Abraham, Ellis, Vilma, Mangold, Revis, D'Brickashaw)

A QB that is the all-time leader in pass percentage (and has won the NFL Comeback player of the year twice - albeit second time was not with the Jets)

Another QB that has led them to the AFC Championship game TWICE and has shown steady improvement.

Also since 2000, the Jets have only drafted two legitimate busts - Robertson and Gholson. All other players that the Jets have drafted since 2000 are still playing in the league.

[disneyspy]

its not so much the picks that crack me up as how the jets fans just lose their shit every year

[Tenbatsuzen]

One more thing: Notice the last blunder is from sixteen years ago.

EDIT: Why the hell is Freeman McNeil listed as a "draft blunder?" He was no such thing. There was only 2 HOFs in the 81 draft class. One was LT, the other was Ronnie Lott. LT was drafted before McNeil, and the Jets at that time needed TONS of help.

He was the Jets leading all-time rusher until Curtis Martin, and Yahoo Sports recently listed McNeil as the Jets best first round draft pick, although I disagree with that.

[underdog]

They drafted a fullback in the first round.

[Snacks]

They drafted a fullback in the first round.

The drafted TEs in the early 1st round within 3 years of each other!

[HBox]

Roger Goodell: "Yeah, I hear ya. I'm a piece of shit. Yeah, your gonne fuck my mother. I hear ya. I'm a shithead. I hear ya."

[Tenbatsuzen]

They drafted a fullback in the first round.

The drafted TEs in the early 1st round within 3 years of each other!

And both were done under a bad owner and a bad GM. Who are no longer in the picture.

[cougarjake13]

the video is great but like tenbats said all of its from a past regime and ownership and for the last 10 years havent been the laughingstock they used to be

[razorboy]

Wow, Falcons give up a 1st a 2nd and a 4th this year and a 1st and a 4th next year for Cleveland's 1st to take Julio Jones.

[weekapaugjz]

john gruden is the fucking WORST.

[Snoogans]

does gruden know there arent any lottery picks in the NFL draft?

[Snoogans]

Ponder???????????

[weekapaugjz]

does gruden know there arent any lottery picks in the NFL draft?

he said lottery at least 3 times in a minute. i wonder what picks that entails...

[weekapaugjz]

Ponder???????????

i was hoping the bills could pick him up in the second

[Snoogans]

i was hoping the bills could pick him up in the second

the bills fucked up. at this rate, there wont be any QBs left

[weekapaugjz]

so are the lions gonna have the best d-line in the nfl in a few years?

[Snoogans]

oh my god the middle of the Lions D Line is going to be INCREDIBLE

[weekapaugjz]

the bills fucked up. at this rate, there wont be any QBs left

i don't think anyone thought luck or ponder were gonna go that quick.

[Snoogans]

i don't think anyone thought luck or ponder were gonna go that quick.

you mean locker? Luck would have been 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 based on this shit.

[weekapaugjz]

you mean locker? Luck would have been 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 based on this shit.

yeah, brain fart.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The idea of Suh and Fairley... jesus Christ.

[weekapaugjz]

The idea of Suh and Fairley... jesus Christ.

i can't wait til they decimate jay cutler.

[Snoogans]

these guys dont have enough diamonds on their watches. especially pouncey and ingram. JESUS

i bet ingram got that watch freshman year

[weekapaugjz]

these guys dont have enough diamonds on their watches. especially pouncey and ingram. JESUS

i bet ingram got that watch freshman year

didn't you realize when the players claimed irreparable harm to their careers meant they couldn't get the latest bling?

[Snacks]

Ponder???????????

Terrible pick. I dont understand how he moved up as much as he did. Locker was also a terrible pick. He was projected as far down as a 3rd rounder now. I know that means shit but look at his awful #s. The only good #s he has is his passer rating and thats because the college passing ratings are calculated differently and make everyone seem like studs. He sucks, he reminds me of Ryan Leaf!

[Snoogans]

didn't you realize when the players claimed irreparable harm to their careers meant they couldn't get the latest bling?

it was sarcasm. there isnt a millimeter of ingrams watch that doesnt have a diamond on it

[weekapaugjz]

sarcasm.

really?

[Snoogans]

Terrible pick. I dont understand how he moved up as much as he did. Locker was also a terrible pick. He was projected as far down as a 3rd rounder now. I know that means shit but look at his awful #s. The only good #s he has is his passer rating and thats because the college passing ratings are calculated differently and make everyone seem like studs. He sucks, he reminds me of Ryan Leaf!

at least newton fuckin won games too. locker sucked and his team never won. i dont get it

[Tenbatsuzen]

at least newton fuckin won games too. locker sucked and his team never won. i dont get it

at this rate Savage will go in the third round

[epo]

As a Packer fan, I love the Ponder pick and hate the Fairley pick.

[Snoogans]

at this rate Savage will go in the third round
if he was actually in the draft maybe


COULD THEY STOP FUCKIN SHOWING THE GUYS GET THE PHONE CALL. CAN WE SAVE THE SUSPENSE TIL GOODELL COMES UP

[Snoogans]

i just noticed they all have the exact same watch. its either a gift from the NFL or the PA

[cougarjake13]

if he was actually in the draft maybe


COULD THEY STOP FUCKIN SHOWING THE GUYS GET THE PHONE CALL. CAN WE SAVE THE SUSPENSE TIL GOODELL COMES UP

i know its fucking stupid

[Snacks]

at least newton fuckin won games too. locker sucked and his team never won. i dont get it

I watched 2 games this year that Ponder lost for his team when he had a chance to hold on and win or was given every chance to. He is terrible with no arm strength.

Locker finally went to a bowl game despite how shitty he played. Owner should have been happy he didnt come out last year because they dodged a bullet. Guess they are too stupid to realize that and jumped right back in front of that bullet. I blame the lock out and teams not knowing if or when they can sign free agents and or trade for the Mcnabbs and Kobbs that are available. I think they are reaching. I like the Dalton kid but he wont fall to the 3rd for Miami. I would love to see Miami take the QB from Delaware in the 4th or 5th round if he still there

[weekapaugjz]

COULD THEY STOP FUCKIN SHOWING THE GUYS GET THE PHONE CALL. CAN WE SAVE THE SUSPENSE TIL GOODELL COMES UP

i was just thinking what's the point of them showing goodell announce if they just keep cutting to the guys on the phone.

[cougarjake13]

i was just thinking what's the point of them showing goodell announce if they just keep cutting to the guys on the phone.

and its like they were reading our posts


no shot of prince getting the call

[Tenbatsuzen]

When Ingram gets the call, can they show him behind a pane of bulletproof glass?

[razorboy]

Berman: "Browns trade for the Chiefs pick."
Gruden: "Think this might be a trade to pick up our friend Andy Dalton?"
Berman: "They already have McCoy. This is Cleveland."
Gruden: "......... "

[Snacks]

I cant believe Ingram is still there. I want Miami to draft the RB from OKL but damn if you can get Mark this cheap maybe you trade up. Seattle has to take him, if not he probably wont go to Balt or KC and I hope NE doesnt take him because he would be a perfect fit in NE!

[epo]

Fucking Hoodie trading down.

[underdog]

Fucking Hoodie trading down.

He's getting NO's 2nd this year and 1st next year. Amazing.

[underdog]

I cant believe Ingram is still there. I want Miami to draft the RB from OKL but damn if you can get Mark this cheap maybe you trade up. Seattle has to take him, if not he probably wont go to Balt or KC and I hope NE doesnt take him because he would be a perfect fit in NE!

I'm glad he didn't go to NE. I'd get excited about them drafting a great RB and then they'd give him 9 carries a game and sit him out 5 games a year.

[underdog]

I love Mark Ingram. I hope he has an amazing career.

[Snoogans]

nice to see the saints move up to take Ron Dayne

[Snacks]

I love Mark Ingram. I hope he has an amazing career.

I like him too, he seems like a good kid! But come on with calling your father "Dog".

[Snacks]

nice to see the saints move up to take Ron Dayne

Hes not Dayne, Dayne was a fat mess and slow!

[Snoogans]

Hes not Dayne, Dayne was a fat mess and slow!

im not about to sit here and call mark ingram fast

[Snacks]

How annoying are Jets fans? They always ruin the draft1

[Snacks]

im not about to sit here and call mark ingram fast

Im not either lol, but he is a little faster. Plus I think he has heart Dayne lost his when he was a stud in HS and then college. I think he thought he could eat want he wanted and still be a beast. Then got hit 1 time too hard and bitched out so he decided to eat everything so the fat could protect him. He basically ran like he was scared to get hit!

[Snoogans]

Im not either lol, but he is a little faster. Plus I think he has heart Brandon Jacobs lost his when he was a stud in HS and then college. I think he thought he could eat want he wanted and still be a beast. Then got hit 1 time too hard and bitched out so he decided to eat everything so the fat could protect him. He basically ran like he was scared to get hit!

fixed

[Snacks]

fixed

You could def use that for both of them. I think the difference is Jacobs got his money and then said fuck it I aint getting hurt!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Mel Kiper in the Jets Blunder Video:

"The Jets do not understand the draft."

Mel Kiper tonight:

Wilkerson could be best pick in entire first round. guy is a freak, and exactly what Jets need

[Snoogans]

Mel Kiper in the Jets Blunder Video:

"The Jets do not understand the draft."

Mel Kiper tonight:

Wilkerson could be best pick in entire first round. guy is a freak, and exactly what Jets need

yea, you should be terrified. Kiper fuckin sucks.

[KnoxHarrington]

Mel Kiper in the Jets Blunder Video:

"The Jets do not understand the draft."

Mel Kiper tonight:

Wilkerson could be best pick in entire first round. guy is a freak, and exactly what Jets need

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Obligatory here.

One of my favorite moments ever is when Rozelle says "And with the first round selection, the New York Jets select fullback..." and you hear someone very audibly yell "OH NO!"

[hanso]

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Ahhh booo

[epo]

He's getting NO's 2nd this year and 1st next year. Amazing.

I swear the Hoodie is the devil with all of these picks he is able to steal from these idiot teams.

[Snoogans]

what a fuckin douche goodell is. the whole night. He reminded me of some creepy uncle who hangs around a young persons party and tries to pretend everything is cool and that he is down

[Gutter]

you see what they did to Ingram last night? what the fuck was that shit all about? is it necessary to make an athlete cry at one of these things only because its the most boring and yet, most extensively covered sports items of the year?

[Snoogans]

you see what they did to Ingram last night? what the fuck was that shit all about? is it necessary to make an athlete cry at one of these things only because its the most boring and yet, most extensively covered sports items of the year?

it woulda been awesome if his dads message from jail was "dammit you little fuck. if you woulda gone top ten that woulda been an extra few million. You're just like your mother"

[epo]

what a fuckin douche goodell is. the whole night. He reminded me of some creepy uncle who hangs around a young persons party and tries to pretend everything is cool and that he is down

Its pretty awesome watching how well DeMaurice Smith is kicking the shit out of Goodell. If Upshaw was still in charge, the players would be playing 20 games for half of the pay by now.

[Tenbatsuzen]

what a fuckin douche goodell is. the whole night. He reminded me of some creepy uncle who hangs around a young persons party and tries to pretend everything is cool and that he is down

So the dad in Varsity Blues?

[Gutter]

it woulda been awesome if his dads message from jail was "dammit you little fuck. if you woulda gone top ten that woulda been an extra few million. You're just like your mother"

hahhahaha.....then i say bravo ESPN!! hahaha.

did you hear Gruden fuckin breakdown into full on panic mode as that was going on? He tried telling some story about coaching Ingram Sr. and meeting someone and at an awards ceremony someone had big shoulders and elbows or something? it was HORRENDOUS!!!!!


its as if he was high and had a good point in a story, but when he started to tell the story, he forgot what the point was.

[Snacks]

what a fuckin douche goodell is. the whole night. He reminded me of some creepy uncle who hangs around a young persons party and tries to pretend everything is cool and that he is down

You could see how uncomfortable he was. It was great when he was trying to get the booing and chanting to stop but the crowd wouldnt. I wish it continued all night and ruined the NFLs little party!

[TripleSkeet]

Im pretty sure I heard some Stone Cold Steve Austin WHAT? chants last night.

[underdog]

what a fuckin douche goodell is. the whole night. He reminded me of some creepy uncle who hangs around a young persons party and tries to pretend everything is cool and that he is down

It's even worse now. He's forcing former players up there so he won't get booed. It's ridiculous.

[Snoogans]

It's even worse now. He's forcing former players up there so he won't get booed. It's ridiculous.

yea i heard that when i was listenin to the radio at work. Not just old players, but like heroes of those teams. Andre reed for buffalo, fuckin Joe Morris for the giants. how the fuck are we gonna boo joe morris?

[Dudeman]

Mel Kiper is to Paul-O
as Todd McShay is to G-Baby

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, before Snacks has a chance to say anything, yes, there are felony charges pending against the Jets 2nd rd pick. Basically, a drunk dude confronted him with a bat, and Ellis put him down. Guy still pressed charges. Ellis will get off.

[underdog]

Patriots picked up Ryan Mallett. Great fucking pick. If this guy came out last year, he was a possible top 10 - 15 pick.

Now he can sit behind Brady for 3 years and learn the system.

[Snacks]

Patriots picked up Ryan Mallett. Great fucking pick. If this guy came out last year, he was a possible top 10 - 15 pick.

Now he can sit behind Brady for 3 years and learn the system.

No he wasnt he went back for another year because he wasnt rated high enough last year. He was actually the reverse of Locker. Going back actually helped him to move into the 1st round but during the pre draft interviews and investigations they learned the piece of trash wannabe he is. I like the pick in the 3rd round because he has the talent. Hes trash and there is that old no QB 6'6" or taller has ever been successful in the NFL going against him.

[TheGameHHH]

Patriots picked up Ryan Mallett. Great fucking pick. If this guy came out last year, he was a possible top 10 - 15 pick.

Now he can sit behind Brady for 3 years and learn the system.

im not that crazy about him either but what do i know. the only QB i loved was Gabbert, i guess we'll see with Mallett. i liked the OT pick in the 1st though

[hanso]

BTW, before Snacks has a chance to say anything, yes, there are felony charges pending against the Jets 2nd rd pick. Basically, a drunk dude confronted him with a bat, and Ellis put him down. Guy still pressed charges. Ellis will get off.

Thats nothing Dolphins got a "killer pick" guy did 3 yrs in prison for a killing.

[Snacks]

Thats nothing Dolphins got a "killer pick" guy did 3 yrs in prison for a killing.

and who would that be?

[KnoxHarrington]

The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals has held that the NFL's lockout can stay in place at least until a full hearing on its merit can be held, which will be next month at the earliest. Further, it appears they are unlikely to uphold a district court judge's ruling that would have ended the lockout.

The appellate court said it believes the NFL has proven it "likely will suffer some degree of irreparable harm without a stay." The court also cast doubt on the conclusions of U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson, who ruled April 25 that the lockout should be lifted to save the players from irreversible damage. The 8th Circuit panel put her decision on hold four days later.

"The league has made a strong showing that it is likely to succeed on the merits," the appellate court majority wrote.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/05/16/labor-mediation.ap/index.html#ixzz1MZmrokM3


Talks do continue, but it's looking more and more like this will not be settled by the start of training camps, and we're going to miss at least part of the season.

[underdog]

Anyone who supports the owners through this is an asshole and easily misled.

[Snoogans]

Anyone who supports the owners through this is an asshole and easily misled.

they had a funny article on deadspin of all places about the "zombie NFL owner supporting dillusion NFL fans" or some shit like that. its pretty funny

[Snoogans]

The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals has held that the NFL's lockout can stay in place at least until a full hearing on its merit can be held, which will be next month at the earliest. Further, it appears they are unlikely to uphold a district court judge's ruling that would have ended the lockout.



Talks do continue, but it's looking more and more like this will not be settled by the start of training camps, and we're going to miss at least part of the season.

if they somehow settle it througght he mediation, it will be before the season. if they leave it completely to the courts it might not be for years

[underdog]

they had a funny article on deadspin of all places about the "zombie NFL owner supporting dillusion NFL fans" or some shit like that. its pretty funny

yeah, he was basically saying anyone who supported the owners must be planted by the owners.

[epo]

Anyone who supports the owners through this is an asshole and easily misled.

Who doesn't go to the games to watch that classic Rooney family vs. Jerry Jones matchup?

[hanso]

and who would that be?

Last pick DB Jimmy Wilson

Jimmy Wilson dreamed of one day hearing his name called in the NFL Draft. After spending two years in jail and going through two murder trials, that dream became reality Saturday.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-04-30/sports/fl-miami-dolphins-nfl-draft-0501-20110430_1_jimmy-wilson-murder-trials-montana

I have a good rundown of their whole daft picks. I will post link if it is still good from my other pc.

[Snacks]

Last pick DB Jimmy Wilson

Jimmy Wilson dreamed of one day hearing his name called in the NFL Draft. After spending two years in jail and going through two murder trials, that dream became reality Saturday.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-04-30/sports/fl-miami-dolphins-nfl-draft-0501-20110430_1_jimmy-wilson-murder-trials-montana

I have a good rundown of their whole daft picks. I will post link if it is still good from my other pc.

yeah I read about him the day after the draft. He had a hung jury in his 1st trial (1 person thought he was guilty) and had a not guilt verdict in the 2nd trial. Sounds like a kid that got a raw deal and everyone but the prosecutors and 1 juror knew he was innocent. Because he was poor he was in jail for 2 years while on trial not because he was guilty of anything. If he had money he would at least face his trial while posting bail!

[hanso]

Didn't he kill the man, but claimed self defence?

[Snacks]

Didn't he kill the man, but claimed self defence?

didnt read that but even if he did, 11 out of 12 jurors and then 12 out of 12 agreed it was if thats what he claimed. Like I said sounds like a poor kid getting screwed!

[Jujubees2]

Ray Lewis discusses lockout issues (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6575570)

"Do this research if we don't have a season -- watch how much evil, which we call crime, watch how much crime picks up, if you take away our game," Lewis told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio.

Ray Lewis talking about what he knows best. Crime.

[Earlshog]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6630528


Plaxico Burress released from prison

[cougarjake13]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6630528


Plaxico Burress released from prison




wearing a phillies cap no less

[Snacks]

wearing a phillies cap no less

whats wrong with that? hes not obligated to wear a NYG or Yankee hat! He is a free agent and should wear whatever the fuck he wants!

[cougarjake13]

whats wrong with that? hes not obligated to wear a NYG or Yankee hat! He is a free agent and should wear whatever the fuck he wants!

the message behind the hat


the team is irrelevant



wear no hat or one of a team you actually like

[Snacks]

the message behind the hat


the team is irrelevant



wear no hat or one of a team you actually like

I actually like that message. He is basically saying fuck you to the Giants and telling the Eagles he is interested in playing in Philly. I see nothing wrong with it, he doesnt owe the Giants anything anymore. I hope he signs with philly rather then the Jets.

[sailor]

I actually like that message. He is basically saying fuck you to the Giants and telling the Eagles he is interested in playing in Philly. I see nothing wrong with it, he doesnt owe the Giants anything anymore. I hope he signs with philly rather then the Jets.

no one said anything was wrong with it.

[TripleSkeet]

I actually like that message. He is basically saying fuck you to the Giants and telling the Eagles he is interested in playing in Philly. I see nothing wrong with it, he doesnt owe the Giants anything anymore. I hope he signs with philly rather then the Jets.

Yea I think that was kind of his point. If he can still play Id love to have him.

[cougarjake13]

I actually like that message. He is basically saying fuck you to the Giants and telling the Eagles he is interested in playing in Philly. I see nothing wrong with it, he doesnt owe the Giants anything anymore. I hope he signs with philly rather then the Jets.

no he doesnt owe the giants anything im just saying you know theyre gonna have cameras and reporters and instead of being happy to be finally out after doing something stupid hes looking to send a msg

im sure rosenhaus had him do it

[Earlshog]

wearing a phillies cap no less

the old school cap... I thought it was Gary Madox for a minute.

[Earlshog]

the message behind the hat


the team is irrelevant



wear no hat or one of a team you actually like



I thought it was just a P for Plaxico.... or he became a blood in the joint....

[cougarjake13]

the old school cap... I thought it was Gary Madox for a minute.

i liked the old school colors and the light blue uni's

[Earlshog]

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/06/kenny_britt.html

Making RU proud!

Tennessee Titans star Kenny Britt, of Bayonne, arrested in Hoboken; day after he pleads guilty to reckless driving

[Earlshog]

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/06/kenny_britt.html

Making RU proud!

Tennessee Titans star Kenny Britt, of Bayonne, arrested in Hoboken; day after he pleads guilty to reckless driving

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/06/nfl_star_kenny_britt_crushed_m.html


Man was blazin up a blunt...

[cougarjake13]

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/06/kenny_britt.html

Making RU proud!

Tennessee Titans star Kenny Britt, of Bayonne, arrested in Hoboken; day after he pleads guilty to reckless driving




so glad the giants drafted nicks instead of britt


imagine if britt was in his hometown playing for the hometown team ??

[cougarjake13]

loved herm edwards at the rookie symposium or whatever the hell it was

[JimBeam]

Sometimes I like him, when he's a guest on shows, and sometimes I think he's an ass, Jesse Jackson imitator.

[cougarjake13]

Sometimes I like him, when he's a guest on shows, and sometimes I think he's an ass, Jesse Jackson imitator.

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME !!!

[boobieman]

Marvel how could you do this..HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO ME

http://my.earthlink.net/article/ent?guid=20110706/ba19055b-6e14-44af-a8f8-420af7af805b

I really thing either Friday or Tuesday a deal will be signed..just go a feeling.

SSEYYAAYYAA

[spoon]

It really does seem they are close, but with greed on the table never underestimate the timeline here.

[cougarjake13]

Marvel how could you do this..HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO ME

http://my.earthlink.net/article/ent?guid=20110706/ba19055b-6e14-44af-a8f8-420af7af805b

I really thing either Friday or Tuesday a deal will be signed..just go a feeling.

SSEYYAAYYAA




fucking d spy will never shut up

[KnoxHarrington]

Talks aimed at ending the NFL lockout resume today in New York. A special owner's meeting has been called for Thursday, which might be when any agreement reached in these talks would be ratified.

There's still a lot of work to do, though:

The owners have a special meeting set for Thursday in Atlanta, where they potentially could ratify a new deal - if one is reached by then. Any agreement also must be voted on by groups of players, including the named plaintiffs in a federal antitrust suit against the league, and the NFL Players Association's 32 team representatives.
More than four months into the lockout, owners and players have made significant progress on the framework of an agreement. But re-establishing the union and figuring out what it will take for nine NFL players - including star quarterbacks Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees - to settle that antitrust suit are among key issues blocking a deal to end the lockout, people familiar with the negotiations told the AP on condition of anonymity.
The unresolved matters also include how the TV networks case, in which the players accused the owners of setting up "lockout insurance," will be settled.
Among the parts mostly squared away following significant progress last week:
• how the more than $9 billion in annual league revenues will be divided;
• a rookie salary system;
• free agency rules;
• a cap of about $120 million for player salaries in 2011, with about another $20 million in benefits.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/07/17/nfl.labor.ap/index.html#ixzz1SSqJogjz

It appears the most contentious issues have been settled, but there's still plenty of time for this to fall apart. However, if this does end on Thursday, the preseason will be completely intact. The whole mess will have been largely invisible to the normal fan.

It's a big contrast from the clusterfuck the NBA has on its hands, which is probably going to make them lose the whole damn season. But the NFL's labor dispute wasn't about redoing the whole structure; it was just about setting the figures within the existing system. The NBA owners, on the other hand, want to blow the whole thing up and start over. That's going to get far nastier than it is already.

[sailor]

I'm confused; on espn this weekend they announced a timetable for when teams can negotiate with their free agents and other items leading up to the opening of camps. Made it sound like a deal was all but struck.

[boobieman]

Marvel how could you do this..HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO ME

http://my.earthlink.net/article/ent?guid=20110706/ba19055b-6e14-44af-a8f8-420af7af805b

I really thing either Friday or Tuesday a deal will be signed..just go a feeling.

SSEYYAAYYAA

I guess I just talked out of my ASS...either way..SIGN THE FUCKIN DEAL

SSEYYYAAAA

[foodcourtdruide]

Talks aimed at ending the NFL lockout resume today in New York. A special owner's meeting has been called for Thursday, which might be when any agreement reached in these talks would be ratified.

There's still a lot of work to do, though:



It appears the most contentious issues have been settled, but there's still plenty of time for this to fall apart. However, if this does end on Thursday, the preseason will be completely intact. The whole mess will have been largely invisible to the normal fan.

It's a big contrast from the clusterfuck the NBA has on its hands, which is probably going to make them lose the whole damn season. But the NFL's labor dispute wasn't about redoing the whole structure; it was just about setting the figures within the existing system. The NBA owners, on the other hand, want to blow the whole thing up and start over. That's going to get far nastier than it is already.

Eh, I feel like I heard the same exact thing about the NFL labor negotiations prior to the Lockout.

[cougarjake13]

once its announced i'll believe

[CountryBob]

Can we get this shit over with already? God!

[epo]

Can we get this shit over with already? God!

Nope. That dope Roger Goodell must've thought Demaurice Smith was Gene Upshaw when he tried to sneak "supplemental revenue sharing" without discussing it with the players union into the deal without prior discussion.

I swear to God that Goodell is the dumbest fucker on the planet.

[Snacks]

Nope. That dope Roger Goodell must've thought Demaurice Smith was Gene Upshaw when he tried to sneak "supplemental revenue sharing" without discussing it with the players union into the deal without prior discussion.

I swear to God that Goodell is the dumbest fucker on the planet.

I think Goodell might be the most hated commish ever among the players and fans.

[epo]

I think Goodell might be the most hated commish ever among the players and fans.

And he fucking deserves it.

Seriously. Who has a deal, changes that deal without notice, then announces said deal to the public.

The man not only lied to their business partners (players) but also the fans that want this to end.

[underdog]

And he fucking deserves it.

Seriously. Who has a deal, changes that deal without notice, then announces said deal to the public.

The man not only lied to their business partners (players) but also the fans that want this to end.

The worst part now is that it's going to look like the players are the ones holding it up and everyone is going to side with the owners.

[King Imp]

The worst part now is that it's going to look like the players are the ones holding it up and everyone is going to side with the owners.

That's exactly what I said to my wife when they were showing the news conference announcing that the owners had agreed.

It's a dick move on their part, but it was a smart move. Now they take the heat off themselves and make the players look like the bad guys.

[hanso]

Can we get this shit over with already? God!

No hall of fame game for you!

[Snacks]

The worst part now is that it's going to look like the players are the ones holding it up and everyone is going to side with the owners.

exactly but werent they supposed to vote weds and the owners were to vote thurs? why didnt the players vote on weds in the first place?

[TripleSkeet]

exactly but werent they supposed to vote weds and the owners were to vote thurs? why didnt the players vote on weds in the first place?

Because the package fell through. So the owners came with their own package, signed it, then went public with it to put pressure on the players. From what I said Smith was saying they something about the owners breaking some law trying to get the union to re-certify. Im not sure, all I know is these owners are a greedy bunch of fuckbags. And people are so stupid and jealous of guys that are talented enough to play football for a living that they side with these greedy billionaires instead.

[spoon]

And he fucking deserves it.

Seriously. Who has a deal, changes that deal without notice, then announces said deal to the public.

The man not only lied to their business partners (players) but also the fans that want this to end.

Right and I LOVE how they put out a timeline of what to expect as if it's all good now and when the players come back with SLOW THE FUCK DOWN dipshits, we didn't even read this fucking tripe just yet, much less addressed sooo many other topics like the lawsuits, collusion and more. The owners pretty much want the players to re-certify first so they lose legal rights with both the league and commish bc the players should just take them at their fucking WORD on issues they haven't shown much interest in working with them on? And this AFTER they just pulled this contract agreed on bullshit right before the weekend based on something the players haven't read yet. Fuck the owners.

[CruelCircus]

Can we get this shit over with already? God!

I don't care, as long as the season starts by the time the World Series is over.

[keithy_19]

I'm happy I'll still have something to do on sundays. The prospect of going back to church didn't seem all that appealing.

[hanso]

The players were unable to negotiate a one-time only application of the franchise tag....

I thought this would have made things interesting. But there are also cap ceilings and floors.. Which would have made it even more twisted.

[boobieman]

Ok so what is the hold up now??? I was out of it last night and busy this morning. I know the players did not vote at 8 last night and the hall of fame game is off...What Now?

Thanks

SEEEYAYYAA

[CountryBob]

You know that there are a few players that are saying dont approve it - we got them right where we want them. Ask for more and dont give in any. .

But the majority just want to get this shit over and get started.

[epo]

You know that there are a few players that are saying dont approve it - we got them right where we want them. Ask for more and dont give in any. .

But the majority just want to get this shit over and get started.

Just because they WANT to get started, doesn't mean they SHOULD get started.

The players have the responsibility to themselves, the retired players and future players to get the best deal possible.

And with the behavior of current ownership & commissioner, I commend them for putting the brakes on the deal. "Bait & switch" is not a realistic way to negotiate.

[JimBeam]

Just because they WANT to get started, doesn't mean they SHOULD get started.

The players have the responsibility to themselves, the retired players and future players to get the best deal possible.

And with the behavior of current ownership & commissioner, I commend them for putting the brakes on the deal. "Bait & switch" is not a realistic way to negotiate.

But again all the owners have to do is keep the lockout in place and the players will eventually crawl back.

Tom Benson, Jerry Jones, etc ... will not be wondering where their next meal is coming from in a month but can the 23rd through 53rd players on the NFL teams say that ?

[sailor]

Players don't care about retired players.

[epo]

Players don't care about retired players.

And yet in the "original agreement", DeMaurice Smith got retired players about a $1billion more in benefits. Link here. (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15331292/smith-keeps-word-to-improve-lot-of-nfl-retirees)

[epo]

But again all the owners have to do is keep the lockout in place and the players will eventually crawl back.

Tom Benson, Jerry Jones, etc ... will not be wondering where their next meal is coming from in a month but can the 23rd through 53rd players on the NFL teams say that ?

That's a train of thought. Of course that's not necessarily true for Jones, who is over-financed thanks to that ridiculous new stadium of his....

[CountryBob]

Just caught the replay of Mike and Mike from this morning - Takeo Spikes had a lot to say and it was interestingto hear the who's and the what's.

[sailor]

And yet in the "original agreement", DeMaurice Smith got retired players about a $1billion more in benefits. Link here. (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15331292/smith-keeps-word-to-improve-lot-of-nfl-retirees)

there have been countless stories over the years of former players getting nothing from the nflpa. they've been pretty much treated like shit. maybe they've changed it now, who knows?

[KnoxHarrington]

there have been countless stories over the years of former players getting nothing from the nflpa. they've been pretty much treated like shit. maybe they've changed it now, who knows?

I think it's very much like the concussion thing: they've been shamed into admitting it and are making efforts to look like they give a fuck.

The ugly truth about football is that it's a brutal game that destroys the bodies of those who play it, but there's not much you can do about that without changing the game entirely and probably making it far less interesting. The truth is we want to see those guys out there crashing into each other and beating the shit out of each other.

[epo]

Favre.....Eagles.....laugh (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/23/report-eagles-interested-in-brett-favre/)

[TripleSkeet]

Favre.....Eagles.....laugh (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/23/report-eagles-interested-in-brett-favre/)

Garganos been talking about that on WIP for weeks now. Its still nothing solid but fuck it, they are going to trade Kolb to Arizona for Rogers-Cromartie and draft picks, and hes no worse then the other backups out there.

[TripleSkeet]

But again all the owners have to do is keep the lockout in place and the players will eventually crawl back.

Tom Benson, Jerry Jones, etc ... will not be wondering where their next meal is coming from in a month but can the 23rd through 53rd players on the NFL teams say that ?

Theres an insurance policy in place that gets every player $200k if the season doesnt go on. They get partial if they lose games.

[Snoogans]

this really has nothing to do with anything, but i never saw this quote before. This is from AJ Smith after the draft in april, and I dont know why but im fuckin dying. What a goddamn tool this guy is

“I’m told I can’t find one person who thought the linebacker [Michigan's Jonas Mouton] we took in the second round … wasn’t a fifth- or sixth-round guy. Well, I’ve found one guy. Me. He’s a second rounder here.”

-San Diego general manager A.J. Smith

[hanso]

I think it's very much like the concussion thing: they've been shamed into admitting it and are making efforts to look like they give a fuck.

The ugly truth about football is that it's a brutal game that destroys the bodies of those who play it, but there's not much you can do about that without changing the game entirely and probably making it far less interesting. The truth is we want to see those guys out there crashing into each other and beating the shit out of each other.

I would just about trade that if they could just catch the ball. Nothing gets my irk more in a game. A "Pro" should be able to catch almost any ball within a 5 yard radius. Let them wear a Don Beebe mushroom helmet. If they are worried of hits.

Bodyway the deal is all but done from what sports talk radio had on this A.M.

[sailor]

deal appears to have been reached. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6797238/2011-nfl-lockout-owners-players-come-deal-all-points-sources-say)

[CountryBob]

Finally - the players have voted and approved the agreement. I am so stoked for football talk now! The next few weeks are going to be fucking crazy!

[boobieman]

I guess the players can say ..."WE'ER BACK...AND BETTER THEN EVERY"

FINALLY...

Now when is the R&F Fantasy football opening???


SSYYEYAYSEEE

[spe5150]

I guess the players can say ..."WE'ER BACK...AND BETTER THEN EVERY"

That's pretty damn funny because a few seconds after reading your post I checked my email & found this from the Chicago Bears:

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