2011-12 NFL Season

[underdog]

This Jets defense kind of looks like shit tonight.

[underdog]

Also, this Patriots offense gets better and better every week.

[epo]

Why isn't Rex Ryan mugging for the camera tonight?

[Tenbatsuzen]

This Jets defense kind of looks like shit tonight.

well, they lost the anchor of the D on Friday. Curse of Danny Woodhead continues.

[underdog]

well, they lost the anchor of the D on Friday. Curse of Danny Woodhead continues.

Their safety would have stopped the Patriots from scoring 38 points?

[Recyclerz]

Why isn't Rex Ryan mugging for the camera tonight?

Because his team is getting mugged on the field, perhaps?

Actually, it's more like a rape at this point.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Their safety would have stopped the Patriots from scoring 38 points?

The entire D looks lost.

I'm so fucking embarrassed to be a Jets fan tonight. I was just waiting for this game. Didn't know it'd come on the biggest game of the year.

[underdog]

Remember when the Broncos traded Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey and everyone thought the Broncos were retarded?

How many actual shut-down corners are there in the NFL anymore?

Bailey and Asomugha; Finnegan used to be, but I'm not sure if he is anymore. Anyone else? I know Revis really wants to be, but he's thrown at way too much to actually be a shut-down corner.

[weekapaugjz]

this is fucking great! :clap:

[underdog]

The entire D looks lost.

I'm so fucking embarrassed to be a Jets fan tonight. I was just waiting for this game. Didn't know it'd come on the biggest game of the year.

I figured you'd be used to being embarrassed by now, being a Jets fan.

I hope the Patriots just keep throwing and put up 50.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hey look, Sanchez 2009 decided to pop up. Fantastic!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I figured you'd be used to being embarrassed by now, being a Jets fan.

I hope the Patriots just keep throwing and put up 50.

Being a Jets fan gives you a special kind of pain tolerance.

Did you notice how I didn't talk a lot of shit about other teams or drink the kool aid about the superbowl? Wanna know why? Because I know they're the fucking Jets and eventually, they'll blow up.

[epo]

Their safety would have stopped the Patriots from scoring 38 points?

Leonhard is a damn good safety, but man this is bad...

[Snacks]

well, they lost the anchor of the D on Friday. Curse of Danny Woodhead continues.

are fucking kidding me? Leonard who was cut by Buffalo and let go after 2 seasons by balt is their anchor now? no excuses this team is and has been overrated all year. they should have lost to miami, they were getting beat by NE until the 2nd half when they looked like shit. den det, clev, hou, all handed them wins.

I love what was said tonight "Same Old Jets" love it!

[TheGameHHH]

this is so great. im just happy i dont have to listen to the NY media and Jets fans talk about how they're really the best team in the league and they're not getting enough respect.

[underdog]

Being a Jets fan gives you a special kind of pain tolerance.

Did you notice how I didn't talk a lot of shit about other teams or drink the kool aid about the superbowl? Wanna know why? Because I know they're the fucking Jets and eventually, they'll blow up.

As a pre-2004 Red Sox fan, I know the feeling.

[underdog]

If they stop them on 4th and 5, I hope the Patriots throw an 85yrd flea flicker.

[OGC]

Look on the bright side, the Jets haven't lost a fumble tonight.

[Tenbatsuzen]

are fucking kidding me? Leonard who was cut by Buffalo and let go after 2 seasons by balt is their anchor now? no excuses this team is and has been overrated all year. they should have lost to miami, they were getting beat by NE until the 2nd half when they looked like shit. den det, clev, hou, all handed them wins.

I love what was said tonight "Same Old Jets" love it!

He's the fucking defense signal caller you idiot.

[weekapaugjz]

Being a Jets fan gives you a special kind of pain tolerance.

at least some of the sports teams you follow win championships.

:wallbash:

[Tenbatsuzen]

at least some of the sports teams you follow win championships.

:wallbash:

Shrug. Rangers haven't even sniffed the Cup since 1994, closest West Virginia got was 2007 and then THAT FUCKING GAME happened, and we all know the Jets deal.

[Snacks]

He's the fucking defense signal caller you idiot.

ok that doesnt mean he is the entire defense. Hows bart scott? hows the rest of the defense? I thought they were supposed to be the best defense in the world? Did they lose their scheme because hes out? Did Rex stop coaching and give up because he lost Leonard?

Get the fuck out of here you cocksucker!

[weekapaugjz]

Shrug. Rangers haven't even sniffed the Cup since 1994, closest West Virginia got was 2007 and then THAT FUCKING GAME happened, and we all know the Jets deal.

yanks?

[Tenbatsuzen]

ok that doesnt mean he is the entire defense. Hows bart scott? hows the rest of the defense? I thought they were supposed to be the best defense in the world? Did they lose their scheme because hes out? Did Rex stop coaching and give up because he lost Leonard?

Get the fuck out of here you cocksucker!

Hysterical. You fucking lose to Mangini yesterday and you think you can talk shit?

[Tenbatsuzen]

yanks?

Well, you said "some", like all my teams win... outside of the Yanks, I haven't seen any of my teams win a title in over 15 years.

The closest was West Virginia in the final four last year, and then DaSean blew his knee out.

[weekapaugjz]

Well, you said "some", like all my teams win... outside of the Yanks, I haven't seen any of my teams win a title in over 15 years.

The closest was West Virginia in the final four last year, and then DaSean blew his knee out.

one is better than none.

[underdog]

Hysterical. You fucking lose to Mangini yesterday and you think you can talk shit?

Your team almost lost to Mangini.

My team did lose to Mangini.

Then they beat your team 45-3.

[Snacks]

Hysterical. You fucking lose to Mangini yesterday and you think you can talk shit?

When did I bring Miami into this. We are talking about the over confident, lucky scum, p.o.s Jets!

miami lost the close games and your team has won them. i would still much much much rather be a dolphin fan then a jets. lets look at the 2 franchises and see who has a FAR superior one!

[sailor]

ok that doesnt mean he is the entire defense. Hows bart scott? hows the rest of the defense? I thought they were supposed to be the best defense in the world? Did they lose their scheme because hes out? Did Rex stop coaching and give up because he lost Leonard?

Get the fuck out of here you cocksucker!

Knock it off.

[Tenbatsuzen]

When did I bring Miami into this. We are talking about the over confident, lucky scum, p.o.s Jets!

miami lost the close games and your team has won them. i would still much much much rather be a dolphin fan then a jets. lets look at the 2 franchises and see who has a FAR superior one!

um... they each have one super bowl win that was over 35 years ago.

[underdog]

Is Danny Woodhead 18?

[underdog]

Bears v Patriots is either going to be a great game or show how dominant the AFC is.

[Melk]

45-3? The Jets couldn't push the Fantasy Points of the Patriots defense even a little bit?

10 point lead smashed by the Jets taking a nap tonight.

[Crippler]

I know this is crossing sports memes, but every time the Jets D got blasted for another score all I could think of was

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL77/857148/23350953/393874962.jpg

As much as I hate seeing the fans in the Boston area celebrate, I do enjoy seeing a hype train derailed. Oh well, Rex, now go get a fucking snack!

[razorboy]

um... they each have one super bowl win that was over 35 years ago.

When did the NFL take one away from the Fins?

[PapaBear]

When did the NFL take one away from the Fins?
I blame Jerry Jones.

[Snoogans]

Remember when the Broncos traded Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey and everyone thought the Broncos were retarded?

How many actual shut-down corners are there in the NFL anymore?

Bailey and Asomugha; Finnegan used to be, but I'm not sure if he is anymore. Anyone else? I know Revis really wants to be, but he's thrown at way too much to actually be a shut-down corner.

Devin McCourty

[epo]

45-3? The Jets couldn't push the Fantasy Points of the Patriots defense even a little bit?

10 point lead smashed by the Jets taking a nap tonight.

NFL coaches don't care about your stupid fantasy football team.

[weekapaugjz]

nobody cares about your stupid fantasy football team.

fixed.

[Snacks]

When did the NFL take one away from the Fins?

he right miami has won one in 36 years but they did go in 82 and 84 to the super bowl. miami 5 sb appearances, 2 wins. jets 1 sb 1 win and nothing since. miami the winningest team in nfl history (actually they might be #2 now behind the bears or cowboys)

Jets one of the worst in nfl history with a losing record. I think they are bottom 5 in winning %. Great team to root for. How does someone become a jets fan? do you have to drive the little yellow bus to school? Because they have no positive history, they have had nothing to root for, for 25 - 30 years and they have ugly puke green uniforms! how does one say "I like the jets"?

[Snoogans]

NFL coaches don't care about your stupid fantasy football team.

i dont know. the jets defense seemed to care about peoples fantasy football teams

[weekapaugjz]

so matt millen's comment, "its never as bad as it seems when you lose".

he has a lot of familiarity with that concept. maybe it's why he's not in the NFL anymore.

[Snoogans]

he right miami has won one in 36 years but they did go in 82 and 84 to the super bowl. miami 5 sb appearances, 2 wins. jets 1 sb 1 win and nothing since. miami the winningest team in nfl history (actually they might be #2 now behind the bears or cowboys)

Jets one of the worst in nfl history with a losing record. I think they are bottom 5 in winning %. Great team to root for. How does someone become a jets fan? do you have to drive the little yellow bus to school? Because they have no positive history, they have had nothing to root for, for 25 - 30 years and they have ugly puke green uniforms! how does one say "I like the jets"?

lets be fair. the jets did get to that AFC championship game in like 97 or whatever with Vinny. That was awesome, especially cause it gave them tons of hope for the next year and then vinny blew his achillies while standing still by himself

[Snoogans]

so matt millen's comment, "its never as bad as it seems when you lose".

he has a lot of familiarity with that concept. maybe it's why he's not in the NFL anymore.

it wasnt that bad for matt millen. He still got paid

[epo]

Most wins in NFL history - Bears
Most championships in NFL history - Packers
Most Super Bowl wins - Steelers

By zero measures are the Dolphins the winningest franchise in the NFL.

[Snoogans]

Most wins in NFL history - Bears
Most championships in NFL history - Packers
Most Super Bowl wins - Steelers

By zero measures are the Dolphins the winningest franchise in the NFL.

thats not true. they failed the most drug tests

[Snacks]

Most wins in NFL history - Bears
Most championships in NFL history - Packers
Most Super Bowl wins - Steelers

By zero measures are the Dolphins the winningest franchise in the NFL.

what are they number 2 or 3 now?

Going into the season the top 3 were

Miami
Cowboys
Bears.

[Snacks]

Yes they are # 2. Guess you couldnt add that when you tried to be cute and say in no way they are the winningest. Sorry they fell to #2

1.Bears .579
2.Miami .578
3.Dallas .576







25.Jets. 460

[PapaBear]

Miami isn't the winning-est team, but Shula is the winning-est coach.

[Melk]

NFL coaches don't care about your stupid fantasy football team.
Yeah, but you would think they would care enough about winning to at least try.

I could care less if the teams lose, but put some competitive offense on the field for crying out loud.

[razorboy]

Miami isn't the winning-est team, but Shula is the winning-est coach.

Aha! So since the Jets beat the winningest coach in the Super Bowl... nevermind.

[epo]

Yes they are # 2. Guess you couldnt add that when you tried to be cute and say in no way they are the winningest. Sorry they fell to #2

1.Bears .579
2.Miami .578
3.Dallas .576

25.Jets. 460

Being cute? Gimme a break.

Chicago is number one in total wins and win percentage. Let's not sit here and cherry pick numbers for some false sense of superiority.

[Snoogans]

Being cute? Gimme a break.

Chicago is number one in total wins and win percentage. Let's not sit here and cherry pick numbers for some false sense of superiority.

also, the Giants havent won as much as the dolphins but CLEARLY are a superior franchise to them. Not even close.

[epo]

also, the Giants havent won as much as the dolphins but CLEARLY are a superior franchise to them. Not even close.

Actually if you slice the numbers by total wins the Giants are far superior.

The boast of "winningest" without quantifying the measurement is just silly.

[Snoogans]

Actually if you slice the numbers by total wins the Giants are far superior.

The boast of "winningest" without quantifying the measurement is just silly.

well true. Lets just say that the Jets are a heaping pile of garbage, and the dolphins are a smaller pile of garbage. And the giants are better and so are the steelers and packers and patriots at this point and pretty much everyone else except the bills

[Snacks]

Being cute? Gimme a break.

Chicago is number one in total wins and win percentage. Let's not sit here and cherry pick numbers for some false sense of superiority.

total wins, come on now they have been playing for 90 years. they better have more wins then a team with 1/2 the years!

Miami has gone to the playoffs 22 of 44 years. The Bears 24 times in 90 years. Their career passing leader is Sid Luckman, thats a joke. His last game was before they even passed the ball (sarcasm)

[Snacks]

Actually if you slice the numbers by total wins the Giants are far superior.

The boast of "winningest" without quantifying the measurement is just silly.

its not silly when 1 team has double the chances to have more wins. The reason winning % matters is based on how much you win compared to how many games you played. Total wins means dick because there are 5 or 6 teams that have played for almost 100 years.

[epo]

well true. Lets just say that the Jets are a heaping pile of garbage, and the dolphins are a smaller pile of garbage. And the giants are better and so are the steelers and packers and patriots at this point and pretty much everyone else except the bills

Lets face it: Miami and the Jets are both garbage with sad histories.

[Snoogans]

its not silly when 1 team has double the chances to have more wins. The reason winning % matters is based on how much you win compared to how many games you played. Total wins means dick because there are 5 or 6 teams that have played for almost 100 years.

and all of them are better franchises then the dolphins. You would be a complete joke for the fact that instead of winning superbowls, your organization placated dan marino and his monster ego instead of turning around, handing off a few times, and winning.

And dont give me this you had no RBs bullshit. How the fuck do you know, you never gave them the ball

The ONLY thing that saves the franchise from being a complete shit pile is Isotoner gloves

[Snacks]

well true. Lets just say that the Jets are a heaping pile of garbage, and the dolphins are a smaller pile of garbage. And the giants are better and so are the steelers and packers and patriots at this point and pretty much everyone else except the bills

I will take my Dolphins over any other teams since Football really became Football which is since the SB era. The only organizations that are better then the phins would be Dallas, Pitt and NE. Thats it. The NYG and even the Bears have many of their wins back when they played the ny yankees (thats right the yankees had a football team) and other shit teams. Lets see the Bears winning % since the SB era started. They might be fighting the Jets for positioning!

[Snoogans]

I will take my Dolphins over any other teams since Football really became Football which is since the SB era. The only organizations that are better then the phins would be Dallas, Pitt and NE. Thats it. The NYG and even the Bears have many of their wins back when they played the ny yankees (thats right the yankees had a football team) and other shit teams. Lets see the Bears winning % since the SB era started. They might be fighting the Jets for positioning!

but the giants have more SB wins than the dolphins. So how can you NOT put them ahead of the Dolphins in the SB era?

Dickface

[Snacks]

Lets face it: Miami and the Jets are both garbage with sad histories.

How did the bears do against Miami 25 years ago this week? Bears have 1 championship that counts. Calm yourself!

[Snacks]

but the giants have more SB wins than the dolphins. So how can you NOT put them ahead of the Dolphins in the SB era?

Dickface

true they have 3 now ok youre right. still dont like them but did root for them against the pats!

and SF and OAK couldve been on the list but they have been a joke. Miami has had 1 really bad season .But they have always been in it. Even when they havent made the playoffs they are always there and playing for a spot. They have gone to the playoffs half of their seasons. No one else has done that!

[epo]

How did the bears do against Miami 25 years ago this week? Bears have 1 championship that counts. Calm yourself!

Obviously they wore their isotoner gloves that week.

[Snoogans]

How did the bears do against Miami 25 years ago this week? Bears have 1 championship that counts. Calm yourself!

again, the giants have more, but you didnt put them ahead. Winning games but not superbowls doesnt mean dick unless this all of a sudden became a contest about who disappointed their fans the most

[Snacks]

and all of them are better franchises then the dolphins. You would be a complete joke for the fact that instead of winning superbowls, your organization placated dan marino and his monster ego instead of turning around, handing off a few times, and winning.

And dont give me this you had no RBs bullshit. How the fuck do you know, you never gave them the ball

The ONLY thing that saves the franchise from being a complete shit pile is Isotoner gloves

trust me every RB was shit. They tried and the only one who did well was kareem abdul jabar and that was for 1 season his rookie one.

[Snoogans]

true they have 3 now ok youre right. still dont like them but did root for them against the pats!

this came up after my last post just to make clear i didnt kill you on it after i saw this

[epo]

again, the giants have more, but you didnt put them ahead. Winning games but not superbowls doesnt mean dick unless this all of a sudden became a contest about who disappointed their fans the most

That would be the type of winning that Dan Marino perfected.

[Snoogans]

trust me every RB was shit. They tried and the only one who did well was kareem abdul jabar and that was for 1 season his rookie one.

Bill Belicheck and Bill Parcells woulda won fuckin 5 superbowls each with Marino as the QB. I dont give a fuck if they won 1000000 games, that whole Marino era is an EPIC fail.

Shit, Jim Fassel probably woulda won a Super Bowl with marino. Fuck he got to one with Kerry Collins.

[Snoogans]

That would be the type of winning that Dan Marino perfected.

I dont know, Rex Ryan seems to be settin some bench marks

[Snacks]

Bill Belicheck and Bill Parcells woulda won fuckin 5 superbowls each with Marino as the QB. I dont give a fuck if they won 1000000 games, that whole Marino era is an EPIC fail.

Shit, Jim Fassel probably woulda won a Super Bowl with marino. Fuck he got to one with Kerry Collins.

We will never know. He had no RB and more year he had terrible defenses then years with solid or good def.

[Snoogans]

We will never know. He had no RB and more year he had terrible defenses then years with solid or good def.

why was that? How bout the org and that awesome coach actually go sign some players. There wasnt a salary cap. If you were any kinda real organization, you woulda spent some money and fixed some problems



FAIL

[epo]

We will never know. He had no RB and more year he had terrible defenses then years with solid or good def.

Don't blame the running backs they refused to hand off to. It was all Dan Marino's fault, everyone knows that.

[Snacks]

why was that? How bout the org and that awesome coach actually go sign some players. There wasnt a salary cap. If you were any kinda real organization, you woulda spent some money and fixed some problems



FAIL


when wasnt there a salary cap? I dont remember that in the 90s when miami needed the help.

[Snacks]

Don't blame the running backs they refused to hand off to. It was all Dan Marino's fault, everyone knows that.

is that the bears excuse for QB and why EVERY SINGLE 1 sucked? They had good RBs so they never passed?

in 90 years Sid Luckman 14k yards passing. :laugh:

[epo]

when wasnt there a salary cap? I dont remember that in the 90s when miami needed the help.

The cap started in 1994.

[Snoogans]

when wasnt there a salary cap? I dont remember that in the 90s when miami needed the help.

the cap came in like 93 or 94

[Snoogans]

The cap started in 1994.

it doesnt matter anyway. Even if they had a RB, marinos selfish ass woulda just checked into passes to pad his stats anyway. That whole era is the 3rd biggest fail in NFL history behind the Bills 4 SB losses and the Lions 0-16

The biggest fail was just drafting marino. You woulda been better off if the jets took him and you got kenny obrien, at least you woulda had an excuse to fail

[epo]

is that the bears excuse for QB and why EVERY SINGLE 1 sucked? They had good RBs so they never passed?

in 90 years Sid Luckman 14k yards passing. :laugh:

Don't look to me to defend the fucking Bears.

And for the record, the laces weren't out like they were supposed to be.

[Snacks]

Never knew about the cap and when it came!

Doesnt matter Im sure most teams spent the same and even if they didnt shame on Joe Robbie and Wayne Huizenga.

[Snacks]

it doesnt matter anyway. Even if they had a RB, marinos selfish ass woulda just checked into passes to pad his stats anyway. That whole era is the 3rd biggest fail in NFL history behind the Bills 4 SB losses and the Lions 0-16

The biggest fail was just drafting marino. You woulda been better off if the jets took him and you got kenny obrien, at least you woulda had an excuse to fail

Snoogans that just idiotic.

[epo]

it doesnt matter anyway. Even if they had a RB, marinos selfish ass woulda just checked into passes to pad his stats anyway. That whole era is the 3rd biggest fail in NFL history behind the Bills 4 SB losses and the Lions 0-16

The biggest fail was just drafting marino. You woulda been better off if the jets took him and you got kenny obrien, at least you woulda had an excuse to fail

My best memories of Marino were watching him bitch at receivers for poorly thrown balls.

[Snoogans]

Never knew about the cap and when it came!

Doesnt matter Im sure most teams spent the same and even if they didnt shame on Joe Robbie and Wayne Huizenga.

yea most teams spent the same, thats why they put a cap in, you dummy. Is this serious? They put in the cap to keep the niners, the cowboys, the giants, and the couple other franchises that ACTUALLY MADE ALOT OF MONEY from outspending shitty teams like the dolphins.

In fact, the Giants are the main reason that revenue sharing and all this shit that allows all you garbage teams to compete even got put in in the first place. If it wasnt for the giants, you woulda went bankrupt tryin to pay marino to continuously FAIL

[Snoogans]

Snoogans that just idiotic.

no, read it again, it makes perfect sense. You failed with marino cause you didnt win. You coulda got obrien and been better cause you woulda had a reason not to win. Get it.

Ray Finkle woulda carried you bums to that SB if marino hadnt fucked up the hold

[Snacks]

yea most teams spent the same, thats why they put a cap in, you dummy. Is this serious? They put in the cap to keep the niners, the cowboys, the giants, and the couple other franchises that ACTUALLY MADE ALOT OF MONEY from outspending shitty teams like the dolphins.

In fact, the Giants are the main reason that revenue sharing and all this shit that allows all you garbage teams to compete even got put in in the first place. If it wasnt for the giants, you woulda went bankrupt tryin to pay marino to continuously FAIL

Snoogans are you really trying to make the Giants out to be the class of the NFL? half of the 90s they were shit and pre 84 they were garbage since the 1960s. Calm down!

[Snoogans]

Snoogans are you really trying to make the Giants out to be the class of the NFL? half of the 90s they were shit and pre 84 they were garbage since the 1960s. Calm down!

no, im dropping facts. They made more money, especially cause they are the #1 team in the #1 market. And the parts about the labor and revenue are true. Look up something before you shoot your mouth off.

Saved your asses, won more super bowls, and make more money


FACTS

[Crippler]

is that the bears excuse for QB and why EVERY SINGLE 1 sucked? They had good RBs so they never passed?

in 90 years Sid Luckman 14k yards passing. :laugh:

Keep bringing up Sid Luckman, jerkoff. He may have less than 25% of the passing yards, but he's got the exact same number of Super Bowl rings...only he has the convenient excuse of having retired 20 years before the Super Bowl era.

[Snacks]

no, read it again, it makes perfect sense. You failed with marino cause you didnt win. You coulda got obrien and been better cause you woulda had a reason not to win. Get it.

Ray Finkle woulda carried you bums to that SB if marino hadnt fucked up the hold

no its was idiotic because win or not they still had 1 of the greatest QBs in NFL history play for them. They still had a chance every single year to make it to the playoffs or even a SB. That what teams want, a chance. Every year many teams no they have no chance. When Marino was the QB we always knew we had a chance. When Miami was losing in the 4th q we knew we had the best comeback QB in NFL history!

So again, idiotic statement!

[epo]

In 1992 the players got the right to free agency (via the courts). Previous to that the owners were colluding like fuck to hold salaries down.

And Snoogans is right that the cap went into place to keep the competitive balance in place, in much thanks to the Giants. If they had sold it out for franchise gain, the league probably would be #3 right now.

And yes, Dan Marino still doesn't have a ring.

[Snoogans]

no its was idiotic because win or not they still had 1 of the greatest QBs in NFL history play for them. They still had a chance every single year to make it to the playoffs or even a SB. That what teams want, a chance. Every year many teams no they have no chance. When Marino was the QB we always knew we had a chance. When Miami was losing in the 4th q we knew we had the best comeback QB in NFL history!

So again, idiotic statement!

no they didnt, they had one of the biggest FAILURES in NFL history play for them. One of the biggest LAUGHING STOCKS in the NFL history. Thats what they did.

Joe Namath was a MORE SUCCESSFUL QB than Marino and namath blew

[Snacks]

no, im dropping facts. They made more money, especially cause they are the #1 team in the #1 market. And the parts about the labor and revenue are true. Look up something before you shoot your mouth off.

Saved your asses, won more super bowls, and make more money


FACTS

didnt save miami's asses miami went to 5 SB before this cap you speak of. What did the NYG do before there was a cap in the 60's 70' and up til 85? Nothing.

I also never said the giants didnt make more money I said you act like they were the class of the league. They werent and still arent!

Once again I will say this to you and Im not mixing words. DO not speak to me like you do Tom. Im not the pussy he is and will not be talked to like Im an asshole. Agree or disagree with me that fine. Have a heated argument thats fine But Do not think I will let you talk to me with the disrespect you get away with towards others. Trust Me!

[epo]

no its was idiotic because win or not they still had 1 of the greatest QBs in NFL history play for them. They still had a chance every single year to make it to the playoffs or even a SB. That what teams want, a chance. Every year many teams no they have no chance. When Marino was the QB we always knew we had a chance. When Miami was losing in the 4th q we knew we had the best comeback QB in NFL history!

So again, idiotic statement!
Ironically enough, non-Dolphins fans thought as long as they had that bum they'd find a way to lose.

If anything he'd fuck up the hold.

[weekapaugjz]

let's just end this argument and say the buffalo bills and jim kelly are the best of all time.

[weekapaugjz]

no its was idiotic because win or not they still had 1 of the greatest QBs in NFL history play for them. They still had a chance every single year to make it to the playoffs or even a SB. That what teams want, a chance. Every year many teams no they have no chance. When Marino was the QB we always knew we had a chance. When Miami was losing in the 4th q we knew we had the best comeback QB in NFL history!

So again, idiotic statement!

thing is, they continually got their asses kicked by jim kelly and the bills.

[Snoogans]

didnt save miami's asses miami went to 5 SB before this cap you speak of. What did the NYG do before there was a cap in the 60's 70' and up til 85? Nothing.

I also never said the giants didnt make more money I said you act like they were the class of the league. They werent and still arent!

Once again I will say this to you and Im not mixing words. DO not speak to me like you do Tom. Im not the pussy he is and will not be talked to like Im an asshole. Agree or disagree with me that fine. Have a heated argument thats fine But Do not think I will let you talk to me with the disrespect you get away with towards others. Trust Me!

oh ok, so you are allowed to name call and talk down to people like Tenbatz when you dont agree, but when i bust your balls and throw in things like dickface, which is clearly just to fuck around, thats a problem? Ok, chief, I clearly got the rules.

And wait, didnt you just before admit i was right and the giants were a better franchise, i can go back and find if you want. Keep flipping things around and being a hypocrit though, you figured out the formula for winning arguments

[devine270]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Snacks]

thing is, they continually got their asses kicked by jim kelly and the bills.

they did. miami owned the colts, jets and pats and buffalo owned miami. miami couldnt get past buf in the 90s they were more of a reason miami never got a chance again then anything. i have a lot of respect for jim kelly. they should have beat the giants in 1990/91. They were the best team in the league that year but the giants did what they did against the pats in the SB. they played def and stayed in the game to win!

[Snoogans]

they did. miami owned the colts, jets and pats and buffalo owned miami. miami couldnt get past buf in the 90s they were more of a reason miami never got a chance again then anything. i have a lot of respect for jim kelly. they should have beat the giants in 1990/91. They were the best team in the league that year but the giants did what they did against the pats in the SB. they played def and stayed in the game to win!

but the bills lost 4 straight Super Bowls. So if you are gonna assume that, lets just assume that you also woulda lost 4 straight SBs, since you werent good enough to beat the team that did that

[Snacks]

oh ok, so you are allowed to name call and talk down to people like Tenbatz when you dont agree, but when i bust your balls and throw in things like dickface, which is clearly just to fuck around, thats a problem? Ok, chief, I clearly got the rules.

And wait, didnt you just before admit i was right and the giants were a better franchise, i can go back and find if you want. Keep flipping things around and being a hypocrit though, you figured out the formula for winning arguments

i do. since the mid 80s and then from the late 90s on the NYG have been a great franchise. but they are only better because of the 3 sb wins and 4 appearances. But pre 84 the NYG were terrible. Growing up in the NY area I had to suffer watching the NYG and the NYJ 2 shitty teams. Then when the NYG became a good team they were still boring to watch. at least the offense was the defense with LT was great.

[Snoogans]

i do. since the mid 80s and then from the late 90s on the NYG have been a great franchise. but they are only better because of the 3 sb wins and 4 appearances. But pre 84 the NYG were terrible. Growing up in the NY area I had to suffer watching the NYG and the NYJ 2 shitty teams. Then when the NYG became a good team they were still boring to watch. at least the offense was the defense with LT was great.

dude, you are really gonna say the giants are boring to watch? You even said that about now and compared to the dolphins, thats insane. Literally insane. You keep bringing up pre 84 and the 60's and 70's. But since 84 is more than HALF of the period we are talkin about. You are bringing up 25 out of what, 45 years and giving them to the giants, but still tryin to argue for the dolphins overall. THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE

[Snacks]

but the bills lost 4 straight Super Bowls. So if you are gonna assume that, lets just assume that you also woulda lost 4 straight SBs, since you werent good enough to beat the team that did that

if you ask john we both know who would have won the 1985 SB if miami didnt get screwed against the pats in the championship game when the convict cleared a path in a snow storm.

I also think Miami would have won in 1990 and beat your NYG. But thats because they are my team. The Bills were truly the best team in football that year!

[Snoogans]

if you ask john we both know who would have won the 1985 SB if miami didnt get screwed against the pats in the championship game when the convict cleared a path in a snow storm.

I also think Miami would have won in 1990 and beat your NYG. But thats because they are my team. The Bills were truly the best team in football that year!

ok fine. Im sure i can go back to the SBs miami won and find times the other team got screwed by some call or play that woulda turned the game and we can say what if that didnt happen

We arent arguing what ifs, at least im not. Im arguing facts

[epo]

Now that I think of it, Marino isn't even a top 10 QB all-time.

[Snacks]

dude, you are really gonna say the giants are boring to watch? You even said that about now and compared to the dolphins, thats insane. Literally insane. You keep bringing up pre 84 and the 60's and 70's. But since 84 is more than HALF of the period we are talkin about. You are bringing up 25 out of what, 45 years and giving them to the giants, but still tryin to argue for the dolphins overall. THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE

Miami is extremely boring NOW. But the NYG my entire life have been boring almost every season.

My brother is Dallas fan, Im Miami my mother was GB and my dad was Clev. We never got to see our teams play and were forced to watch 2 teams we all hated.

[Snoogans]

and snacks, you said before that you always had a chance, all a team can ask for is a chance. Do you think Bill Belichek just wants a chance? Fuck no, he expects to win it all, and feels like a failure if he doesnt. Same with the sox after 04, same with the yankees. Same with Phil Jackson and the lakers.

That BS about a chance, thats just excuses for how you failed to get it done. Real champions dont want a chance, they get it done. Michael jordan didnt want 6 chances, he wanted 6 titles, and thats why he has them and thats why the dolphins dont

[Snoogans]

Now that I think of it, Marino isn't even a top 10 QB all-time.

i can think of 30-35 or so QBs who are better

[weekapaugjz]

Now that I think of it, Marino isn't even a top 10 QB all-time.

i know what your list is:

1. brett favre
2. jim kelly

[Snoogans]

Miami is extremely boring NOW. But the NYG my entire life have been boring almost every season.

My brother is Dallas fan, Im Miami my mother was GB and my dad was Clev. We never got to see our teams play and were forced to watch 2 teams we all hated.

well im sure your personal feelings made it more boring

I bet you hate this argument, im treatin you like margarito right now

[Snoogans]

i know what your list is:

1. brett favre
2. jim kelly

3 brett favre
4 brett favre
5 aaron rodgers
6 don majkowkieasprteih
7 brett favre
8 bart starr
9 brett favre
10 brett favre


10033 Joe Namath
10034 Dan Marino

[Kevin]

if you ask john we both know who would have won the 1985 SB if miami didnt get screwed against the pats in the championship game when the convict cleared a path in a snow storm.

I also think Miami would have won in 1990 and beat your NYG. But thats because they are my team. The Bills were truly the best team in football that year!


So wait...

The Giants that year BEAT in your opinion the best team in football, but would have lost to a shittier team?

Gotchya....

[Snacks]

and snacks, you said before that you always had a chance, all a team can ask for is a chance. Do you think Bill Belichek just wants a chance? Fuck no, he expects to win it all, and feels like a failure if he doesnt. Same with the sox after 04, same with the yankees. Same with Phil Jackson and the lakers.

That BS about a chance, thats just excuses for how you failed to get it done. Real champions dont want a chance, they get it done. Michael jordan didnt want 6 chances, he wanted 6 titles, and thats why he has them and thats why the dolphins dont

like you said, sox after 04. when you havent won in awhile you want at least a chance. if you get that chance and win then your expect to win. thats why i have always shit on the eagles and jets for that. they act like they are a winning franchise with a history of winning. I wish Miami has done what philly has the past 5-7 years. Every year they have had a chance and until you win one thats what you want!

[Snacks]

So wait...

The Giants that year BEAT in your opinion the best team in football, but would have lost to a shittier team?

Gotchya....

I was saying it only because Im a miami fan. Like I said in my post! I also said the giants werent the better team they just played better that day. If they played the bills 10 times that year. Buf would have won 8 times!

[Snoogans]

like you said, sox after 04. when you havent won in awhile you want at least a chance. if you get that chance and win then your expect to win. thats why i have always shit on the eagles and jets for that. they act like they are a winning franchise with a history of winning. I wish Miami has done what philly has the past 5-7 years. Every year they have had a chance and until you win one thats what you want!

yea but you act like you had a shitty team forever. You had Marino. Ok maybe thru like 85 86 you just want a chance. By 87, with a guy like marino, you shoulda start to want to win. And you didnt, and thats why you never won. And thats why its a failure

[Snacks]

yea but you act like you had a shitty team forever. You had Marino. Ok maybe thru like 85 86 you just want a chance. By 87, with a guy like marino, you shoulda start to want to win. And you didnt, and thats why you never won. And thats why its a failure

of course we wanted to win and having Marino we knew we had a chance.

[Kevin]

I was saying it only because Im a miami fan. Like I said in my post! I also said the giants werent the better team they just played better that day. If they played the bills 10 times that year. Buf would have won 8 times!


Yea and If Joe Torre would have woken up from his hibernation and RAN on Veritek and Wake, 04 never happens.

But guess what.. IT DID.

Maybe if Marino wasen't the Patrick Ewing of Football, his teams might have won one of those games.

[Snoogans]

of course we wanted to win and having Marino we knew we had a chance.

yea so you failed. You shouldnt look back fondly that he always gave you a chance, you should look back angrily that he always fucked it up

Like me and epo told you, you had a HOF kicker like Ray Finkle and Marino STILL fucked it up.


in fact, when I hear the word failure, no matter where I am or what im doing, this is what pops into my head:
http://ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ace-ventura-isotoner-gloves_510.jpg

a fuckin bowtie? Really? You DESERVED TO LOSE

[Crippler]

if you ask john we both know who would have won the 1985 SB if miami didnt get screwed against the pats in the championship game when the convict cleared a path in a snow storm.

I also think Miami would have won in 1990 and beat your NYG. But thats because they are my team. The Bills were truly the best team in football that year!

Please stop saying things you don't mean, you're only embarrassing yourself. No one can tell that you're kidding in type. People might think you actually mean that the '85 Phins could have beaten the '85 Bears in Super Bowl XX just because they pulled a horseshoe out of their ass on a Monday night against a back-up QB. And we all know that making that kind of insane argument will only negate anything else you say in a thread about NFL football because it is clearly ludicrous.

[Snoogans]

Please stop saying things you don't mean, you're only embarrassing yourself. No one can tell that you're kidding in type. People might think you actually mean that the '85 Phins could have beaten the '85 Bears in Super Bowl XX just because they pulled a horseshoe out of their ass on a Monday night against a back-up QB. And we all know that making that kind of insane argument will only negate anything else you say in a thread about NFL football because it is clearly ludicrous.

dont even give it any time. We all know marino woulda checked out of runs to win the MVP when he shouldnt and gotten sacked and fumbled like 7 times. Thats what he does, fails

http://ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ace-ventura-isotoner-gloves_510.jpg

[DanMarino]

Snoogans is right. I was a pretty big failure. I woulda taken Ken OBrien over myself too

[Crippler]

Well, I guess that seals it.

[Justice4all]

didnt save miami's asses miami went to 5 SB before this cap you speak of. What did the NYG do before there was a cap in the 60's 70' and up til 85? Nothing.

I also never said the giants didnt make more money I said you act like they were the class of the league. They werent and still arent!

Once again I will say this to you and Im not mixing words. DO not speak to me like you do Tom. Im not the pussy he is and will not be talked to like Im an asshole. Agree or disagree with me that fine. Have a heated argument thats fine But Do not think I will let you talk to me with the disrespect you get away with towards others. Trust Me!

Ok FUCK YOU pal! First off don't think I won't kick ass if needed, especially yours you overgrown man-child. Try crawling out of your little cave during daylight once in a while and get a life.

Second...the Giants organization IS one of the classiest of the entire league. Mara was LOVED as an owner and many other owners respected him (and them) and still do to this day. Do you think it was coincidence that the NY market got a Super Bowl given to them in 2014 just because it's a new stadium?? NO. One of the reasons they did it was because Mara had MANY friends in the owners market. And like snoogans said, the Giants are one of the main reasons there is profit sharing in the NFL.

Suck on that dick!

[Justice4all]

Snoogans is right. I was a pretty big failure. I woulda taken Ken OBrien over myself too

It's the SIG pic I love the most! That quote is priceless.

[Snacks]

Please stop saying things you don't mean, you're only embarrassing yourself. No one can tell that you're kidding in type. People might think you actually mean that the '85 Phins could have beaten the '85 Bears in Super Bowl XX just because they pulled a horseshoe out of their ass on a Monday night against a back-up QB. And we all know that making that kind of insane argument will only negate anything else you say in a thread about NFL football because it is clearly ludicrous.

we also know that "the back up QB" started 5 games that year. Meaning he was 4 - 1. But lets continue to use that as our excuse to why Miami won by 2 TD on Monday Night Football and ruined their perfect season!

[Snacks]

Ok FUCK YOU pal! First off don't think I won't kick ass if needed, especially yours you overgrown man-child. Try crawling out of your little cave during daylight once in a while and get a life.

Second...the Giants organization IS one of the classiest of the entire league. Mara was LOVED as an owner and many other owners respected him (and them) and still do to this day. Do you think it was coincidence that the NY market got a Super Bowl given to them in 2014 just because it's a new stadium?? NO. One of the reasons they did it was because Mara had MANY friends in the owners market. And like snoogans said, the Giants are one of the main reasons there is profit sharing in the NFL.

Suck on that dick!

Dont go blowing snoogans cock because we all know you back down to him after talking shit about him every chance you get. What ass are you kicking? Please Tom dont embarrass yourself. And please Tom lets not bring up my current situations. Because you couldnt win it EVER. Past, present and future you have no chance or anything over me. Dont get involved in something that will make you look worse then you usually do and cry to my cousin about it after the fact for protection or someone who you think will agree with you when that person never does!

[Snoogans]

no its was idiotic because win or not they still had 1 of the greatest QBs in NFL history play for them. They still had a chance every single year to make it to the playoffs or even a SB. That what teams want, a chance. Every year many teams no they have no chance. When Marino was the QB we always knew we had a chance. When Miami was losing in the 4th q we knew we had the best comeback QB in NFL history!

So again, idiotic statement!

i missed this part before. Really? i woulda thought it was like Elway or Montana, one of the guys who actually did it in the SB when the pressure is most on

[Snacks]

i missed this part before. Really? i woulda thought it was like Elway or Montana, one of the guys who actually did it in the SB when the pressure is most on

I think the 3 of them went back and forth with who had the most. I think favre might have the most now.!

[Snacks]

for you snoogs

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_quarterback_has_the_most_fourth_quarter_comeb acks

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3392

[Snoogans]

we also know that "the back up QB" started 5 games that year. Meaning he was 4 - 1. But lets continue to use that as our excuse to why Miami won by 2 TD on Monday Night Football and ruined their perfect season!

this is a fair point. The real reason why miami won by 2 TDs is cause it was the regular season. They were fine in the regular season, where there is no huge pressures to fail. When the heat turned up, that pretty boy bum QB folded like a fuckin fruit. As he woulda against the bears except he did it the week before against NE

[Snacks]

this is a fair point. The real reason why miami won by 2 TDs is cause it was the regular season. They were fine in the regular season, where there is no huge pressures to fail. When the heat turned up, that pretty boy bum QB folded like a fuckin fruit. As he woulda against the bears except he did it the week before against NE

that was the biggest regular season game in NFL history and the highest rated none post season game still to this day. They were also playing the best team in the NFL who was undefeated and Miami needed to win to stop them from doing so

And they did!

[Snoogans]

for you snoogs

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_quarterback_has_the_most_fourth_quarter_comeb acks

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3392

again i brought up the super bowl, when the pressure is on, when those are important. Most comebacks is like most wins, its not important. You failed in the end, just like marino failed in the end when it really mattered, and those other guys didnt, and thats why they are better comeback QBs. Shit, Eli Manning is a better comeback QB than Marino. He did it in the SB. Marino I believe did it ZERO TIMES

[spoon]

Remember when the Broncos traded Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey and everyone thought the Broncos were retarded?

How many actual shut-down corners are there in the NFL anymore?

Bailey and Asomugha; Finnegan used to be, but I'm not sure if he is anymore. Anyone else? I know Revis really wants to be, but he's thrown at way too much to actually be a shut-down corner.

I really like the way Aqib Talib of TB was developing. Great ball hawk and tight coverage in his 3 short years in the league. He isn't a clear shut down guy just yet, but even Roddy White has been one of the recent top WRs in the league to give him huge props. Bad news is he's out for the season I think with a tendon ripping off the bone...oof.

[Snoogans]

that was the biggest regular season game in NFL history and the highest rated none post season game still to this day. They were also playing the best team in the NFL who was undefeated and Miami needed to win to stop them from doing so

And they did!

yea and rutgers won against louisville in the highest rated NCAA football game in ESPN history. The next week they lost to an unranked Cincy. Who the fuck cares? What does that have to do with anything about Marino repeated failing when it matters, which is what this is about.

[Crippler]

we also know that "the back up QB" started 5 games that year. Meaning he was 4 - 1. But lets continue to use that as our excuse to why Miami won by 2 TD on Monday Night Football and ruined their perfect season!

You've been using that argument for 25 years, but I still don't get why beating a back-up QB who averaged 3 starts per year for the last 5 years of his career is as meaningful a victory as beating a true NFL starter? Steve Fuller started 42 NFL games & won 19, even with the luxury of playing or the '85 Bears...where he started 5 games, threw 1 TD & 5 INTs. Jim McMahon started 97 NFL games & while he was never a stud QB, was 67-30 as a starter & during his last year in the NFL was among the active leaders in winning % for a QB. I know you only make this argument to drive me nuts, but it's still not a strong one to make. So suck on that, you silly goose!

[spoon]

I figured you'd be used to being embarrassed by now, being a Jets fan.

I hope the Patriots just keep throwing and put up 50.

Ha! Close and I love it. I really can't believe how quick I went from hating the Pats to the Jets. It's amazing what HUGE mouths and cocky fucks with nothing to show for it will do for a team's image.

Still 9-3 I know, but to say they've won some questionable games this year is putting it lightly. At least they don't have Norv...even if Rex did put on a Norv-like show tonight.

[Snacks]

yea and rutgers won against louisville in the highest rated NCAA football game in ESPN history. The next week they lost to an unranked Cincy. Who the fuck cares? What does that have to do with anything about Marino repeated failing when it matters, which is what this is about.

see snoogs its points like this that make your argument weak. You throw a Rutgers game on eapn and use that it was espns highest rated college game. ok my nephew had his wrestling video play at his school it was the most watched video in his kindergarten ever! we are so proud!

You can not take the highest rated NFL game and MNF game in history and blow it off like it meant nothing. Ask the bears if it meant nothing to them. Ask their fans the same question!

[Snoogans]

see snoogs its points like this that make your argument weak. You throw a Rutgers game on eapn and use that it was espns highest rated college game. ok my nephew had his wrestling video play at his school it was the most watched video in his kindergarten ever! we are so proud!

You can not take the highest rated NFL game and MNF game in history and blow it off like it meant nothing. Ask the bears if it meant nothing to them. Ask their fans the same question!

yes i can. I brought up rutgers on ESPN to show that for this argument, it means NOTHING

The argument was about how marino failed to get it done when it mattered. You point out that he won a big regular season game. Then he failed to get a chance at that team again cause he choked against NE in the playoffs. How are you gonna say they woulda beat the bears if they werent playing well enough to even beat New England. Thats why your point about the stupid MNF game means nothing, just like my point about rutgers

[Crippler]

see snoogs its points like this that make your argument weak. You throw a Rutgers game on eapn and use that it was espns highest rated college game. ok my nephew had his wrestling video play at his school it was the most watched video in his kindergarten ever! we are so proud!

You can not take the highest rated NFL game and MNF game in history and blow it off like it meant nothing. Ask the bears if it meant nothing to them. Ask their fans the same question!

It meant so little to them that the next day they recorded an awful music video to tell the rest of the league they were going to win the Super Bowl anyway & no one was stopping them. In fact, it was probably the preparation for that video shoot that had them distracted & cost them the game. That & the back-up QB.

Just saying.

[Snacks]

You've been using that argument for 25 years, but I still don't get why beating a back-up QB who averaged 3 starts per year for the last 5 years of his career is as meaningful a victory as beating a true NFL starter? Steve Fuller started 42 NFL games & won 19, even with the luxury of playing or the '85 Bears...where he started 5 games, threw 1 TD & 5 INTs. Jim McMahon started 97 NFL games & while he was never a stud QB, was 67-30 as a starter & during his last year in the NFL was among the active leaders in winning % for a QB. I know you only make this argument to drive me nuts, but it's still not a strong one to make. So suck on that, you silly goose!

because it wasnt your QB anyone feared or cared about it was your defense and miami put 38 on them. It wouldnt have mattered who started at QB for them. Before you tell me how great McMahon is and his winning % lets remember he was the QB for the greatest def ever (at that time now its between chi and balt 2000 thats another argument) It didnt matter the other 4 games who played at QB. It also didnt matter other years because you could have won all those games at QB that McMahon won. His job wasnt to win it was to hand off to Walter and not fuck up. He is Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson (actually Johnson might have better numbers)

[Snoogans]

because it wasnt your QB anyone feared or cared about it was your defense and miami put 31 on them. It wouldnt have mattered who started at QB for them. Before you tell me how great McMahon is and his winning % lets remember he was the QB for the greatest def ever (at that time now its between chi and balt 2000 thats another argument) It didnt matter the other 4 games who played at QB. It also didnt matter other years because you could have won all those games at QB that McMahon won. His job wasnt to win it was to hand off to Walter and not fuck up. He is Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson (actually Johnson might have better numbers)

and you are positive you woulda scored 31 again? Apparently, the team wasnt playing great cause it lost to NE. So how are you gonna act like they woulda whooped the bears. How do you know they wouldnt lay an egg?

Stop tryin to bring this argument to what ifs. Keep on the factual topic of marino being a failure at the highest level

[spoon]

He's the fucking defense signal caller you idiot.

Yes, the 42 pt difference maker and NOBODY else is ready to call a play?!

Nice coaching/preparation. I'm an SD fan, we know bad coaching and preparation when we see it.

Also, I guess he used to call the Offensive plays too right? That's why they only put up 3. Leonard was a fucking 2-way playing STUD!

[Snacks]

and you are positive you woulda scored 31 again? Apparently, the team wasnt playing great cause it lost to NE. So how are you gonna act like they woulda whooped the bears. How do you know they wouldnt lay an egg?

Stop tryin to bring this argument to what ifs. Keep on the factual topic of marino being a failure at the highest level

they lost to NE , wrong game they got beat at home!

[spoon]

Knock it off.

MIKEYBOY LIVES!

[spoon]

Bears v Patriots is either going to be a great game or show how dominant the AFC is.

The latter.

[Snoogans]

they lost to NE in a snow storm the final score I think was 3 - 0.

since we are playin the what if game, what if because the dolphins beat NE, something changed in the earths forward progress from what actually happened. It caused a big rain storm to hit during the SB, and your golden failure, i mean QB couldnt throw it all over the field?

What if Marino got hit on the first play of the SB against the bears and broke his leg? Would the dolphins have won then?

Stop the what ifs. Lets just talk about the facts, or is that to sobering?

and oh yea you just edited cause that wasnt even true. Awesome

[spoon]

Yes they are # 2. Guess you couldnt add that when you tried to be cute and say in no way they are the winningest. Sorry they fell to #2

1.Bears .579
2.Miami .578
3.Dallas .576







25.Jets. 460

Where does SD rank? I'd love to see that link.

[Snacks]

since we are playin the what if game, what if because the dolphins beat NE, something changed in the earths forward progress from what actually happened. It caused a big rain storm to hit during the SB, and your golden failure, i mean QB couldnt throw it all over the field?

What if Marino got hit on the first play of the SB against the bears and broke his leg? Would the dolphins have won then?

Stop the what ifs. Lets just talk about the facts, or is that to sobering?

and oh yea you just edited cause that wasnt even true. Awesome

omg having a conversation with you gives me a fucking headache. I dont give 2 shits what you think of Marino. Most normal people call him 1 of the greatest QBs ever. He is the only one on the list that doesnt have a ring.. If he had even 1 ring he would be THE Best. He is considered by far the best passing QB ever with or without a ring. I dont need you to justify Marino.

When its all said and done Manning will go down as the greatest QB to ever play the game and Marino will still be on the list ahead of most of the QBs who have won a ring.

[Snacks]

Where does SD rank? I'd love to see that link.

19. .503 over .500 that better then you thought?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/

[Snoogans]

omg having a conversation with you gives me a fucking headache. I dont give 2 shits what you think of Marino. Most normal people call him 1 of the greatest QBs ever. He is the only one on the list that doesnt have a ring.. If he had even 1 ring he would be THE Best. He is considered by far the best passing QB ever with or without a ring. I dont need you to justify Marino.

When its all said and done Manning will go down as the greatest QB to ever play the game and Marino will still be on the list ahead of most of the QBs who have won a ring.

of course he will. But you are sayin shit that is what if as if its fact. So then you get mad when I fuck with you about it? Of course we will never know about what woulda happened, but you using what ifs to defend you acting like you have a better franchise than you actually do is silly. This was about the dolphins and you kept bring up how this woulda been or that to act like your franchise is as good as it woulda been if that shit had actually happened. thats why we keep fucking with you

[Crippler]

because it wasnt your QB anyone feared or cared about it was your defense and miami put 38 on them. It wouldnt have mattered who started at QB for them. Before you tell me how great McMahon is and his winning % lets remember he was the QB for the greatest def ever (at that time now its between chi and balt 2000 thats another argument) It didnt matter the other 4 games who played at QB. It also didnt matter other years because you could have won all those games at QB that McMahon won. His job wasnt to win it was to hand off to Walter and not fuck up. He is Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson (actually Johnson might have better numbers)

No it wasn't the QB that anyone feared, but in the game you love to reference it was his replacement that threw 3 INTs & lost a fumble. I keep telling you that I have the game on DVD & if you don't believe that Steve Fuller's ineptitude was worth 14 points, we can watch it any time you like. And if you don't believe the difference between Steve Fuller & Jim McMahon was worth more than 14 points, I would say you were crazy but I know you know football better than that.

[Snacks]

of course he will. But you are sayin shit that is what if as if its fact. So then you get mad when I fuck with you about it? Of course we will never know about what woulda happened, but you using what ifs to defend you acting like you have a better franchise than you actually do is silly. This was about the dolphins and you kept bring up how this woulda been or that to act like your franchise is as good as it woulda been if that shit had actually happened. thats why we keep fucking with you

the only thing i brought up seriously as an if was mia chi in super bowl 20. the giants in 21 were my opinion but never said if. and neither did i say it about any other situation. everything else about marino i said was facts about his career.

whats next you want to argue my fav college team vs yours?!

[Crippler]

omg having a conversation with you gives me a fucking headache. I dont give 2 shits what you think of Marino. Most normal people call him 1 of the greatest QBs ever. He is the only one on the list that doesnt have a ring.. If he had even 1 ring he would be THE Best. He is considered by far the best passing QB ever with or without a ring. I dont need you to justify Marino.

When its all said and done Eli Manning will go down as the greatest QB to ever play the game and Marino will still be on the list ahead of most of the QBs who have won a ring.

Holy shit, now Tom's really gonna have a problem with you! That's just crazy talk!

[Snoogans]

the only thing i brought up seriously as an if was mia chi in super bowl 20. the giants in 21 were my opinion but never said if. and neither did i say it about any other situation. everything else about marino i said was facts about his career.

whats next you want to argue my fav college team vs yours?!

this all came from you acting like the dolphins were some awesome franchise. When we brought up what happened, you brought up these what ifs as justification for you sayin the dolphins are better than they actually are. You even bringing up that you think you coulda beat the giants was part of that, so based on how things were, thats exactly what you were doin.

And no, i wont argue that, cause I wont argue insane things that are wrong just because they are my team.

[Snacks]

No it wasn't the QB that anyone feared, but in the game you love to reference it was his replacement that threw 3 INTs & lost a fumble. I keep telling you that I have the game on DVD & if you don't believe that Steve Fuller's ineptitude was worth 14 points, we can watch it any time you like. And if you don't believe the difference between Steve Fuller & Jim McMahon was worth more than 14 points, I would say you were crazy but I know you know football better than that.

Miami still scored 38. Marino still threw 3 tds against that def and Tony Nathan ran for almost 80 yards against that def. I dont care if he threw 5 ints chi still had the best def ever and they couldnt stop miamis offense! Its not like they held miami to fgs once miami got the turnovers. They held miami to 1 fg and 5 tds. With how good your defense was miami should neve rhave scored 5 td!

[Snoogans]

Miami still scored 38. Marino still threw 3 tds against that def and Tony Nathan ran for almost 80 yards against that def. I dont care if he threw 5 ints chi still had the best def ever and they couldnt stop miamis offense! Its not like they held miami to fgs once miami got the turnovers. They held miami to 1 fg and 5 tds. With how good your defense was miami should neve rhave scored 5 td!
your defense of this point has nothing to do with what crippler said. So what miami scored 38. The point is, with mcmahon, the bears woulda probably scored 45, so who cares how much miami scored? You completely ignored that point cause you know you have no argument to it and bring up this.

[Snacks]

this all came from you acting like the dolphins were some awesome franchise. When we brought up what happened, you brought up these what ifs as justification for you sayin the dolphins are better than they actually are. You even bringing up that you think you coulda beat the giants was part of that, so based on how things were, thats exactly what you were doin.

And no, i wont argue that, cause I wont argue insane things that are wrong just because they are my team.

I brought up that miami was the winnigest franchise. which they were going into the season. for some reason you couldnt handle that.

[Snoogans]

I brought up that miami was the winnigest franchise. which they were going into the season. for some reason you couldnt handle that.

i actually never really argued with you, just added in points, until you made the point htat the dolphins were a better franchise than the giants since the SB era started. Thats where I really started arguing with you. Go back and read it, i was arguing your inflated sense of the dolphins, not anything abou their win %

[spoon]

no its was idiotic because win or not they still had 1 of the greatest QBs in NFL history play for them. They still had a chance every single year to make it to the playoffs or even a SB. That what teams want, a chance. Every year many teams no they have no chance. When Marino was the QB we always knew we had a chance. When Miami was losing in the 4th q we knew we had the best comeback QB in NFL history!

So again, idiotic statement!

Ant, you really are being quite the homer. Nobody is claiming Marino didn't have a ridiculously quick release, cannon arm and put up HUGE stats. You have to realize the argument here and you're on the wrong side of it.

Also, Wellington and to a lesser extent Jack Mara were HUGE factors in the setup of the NFL we see today. George Steinbrenner in MLB wanted and exploited their financial advantage and influence to do so. The Maras did the complete opposite for the good of the game in the NFL and very well could of done or gone the same route to who knows what result (league was having some issues overall). I tip my hat to both of them for taking this route, others may look at it differently but I think they're myopic in their take (usually big market team fans wanting Yankee like advantages and parity haters).

[Snacks]

your defense of this point has nothing to do with what crippler said. So what miami scored 38. The point is, with mcmahon, the bears woulda probably scored 45, so who cares how much miami scored? You completely ignored that point cause you know you have no argument to it and bring up this.

What was chi known for? Their defense. If they couldnt stop miami then their power was exposed. McMahon wouldnt have thrown for shit its not like he did that season. He barely avg 200 yards a game and 1 td a game. So all of the sudden he would have been the difference? Fuller started and won 4 other games that season for the bears. That proves my argument that it had nothing to do with their QB it was their defense that lost to miami and Marino.

Also what I just looked up was McMahon played in this fucking game. He was 3-6 for 42 yards and an int. so fuller didnt even throw the 3 ints he threw 2 ints and 1 td and the great McMahon threw 1 int and 0 tds.

[spoon]

didnt save miami's asses miami went to 5 SB before this cap you speak of. What did the NYG do before there was a cap in the 60's 70' and up til 85? Nothing.

I also never said the giants didnt make more money I said you act like they were the class of the league. They werent and still arent!

Once again I will say this to you and Im not mixing words. DO not speak to me like you do Tom. Im not the pussy he is and will not be talked to like Im an asshole. Agree or disagree with me that fine. Have a heated argument thats fine But Do not think I will let you talk to me with the disrespect you get away with towards others. Trust Me!

Seems to be a theme out there tonight, eh pretty much everyday to be honest.

[Snoogans]

What was chi known for? Their defense. If they couldnt stop miami then their power was exposed. McMahon wouldnt have thrown for shit its not like he did that season. He barely avg 200 yards a game and 1 td a game. So all of the sudden he would have been the difference? Fuller started and won 4 other games that season for the bears. That proves my argument that it had nothing to do with their QB it was their defense that lost to miami and Marino.

Also what I just looked up was McMahon played in this fucking game. He was 3-6 for 42 yards and an int. so fuller didnt even throw the 3 ints he threw 2 ints and 1 td and the great McMahon threw 1 int and 0 tds.

ok so why didnt you say that to cripplers post? All i brought up was how you ignored his point. You dont even read half the shit i say. I was talkin about his post. his opinion. I dont have an opinion of the game itself, i was 2 years old. Thats why i keep sayin stop playing what if, the facts are that shit didnt happen, so the dolphins arent as good as you act like they are cause you act like that stuff actually happened

[spoon]

but the bills lost 4 straight Super Bowls. So if you are gonna assume that, lets just assume that you also woulda lost 4 straight SBs, since you werent good enough to beat the team that did that

you can't say that either to be honest

matchups are HUGE in this league and you simply can't make that leap

[Snoogans]

you can't say that either to be honest

matchups are HUGE in this league and you simply can't make that leap

i know. I said a ton of things tonight that are ridiculous along the same lines as the things he is saying that are ridiculous. It was to make the point that its nuts to say that, and lets get back to what actually happened.

and also, alot of it was to rile up anthony, who im starting to believe actually thinks i meant it when i ranked marino as the 10034the best QB ever

[Snacks]

Ant, you really are being quite the homer. Nobody is claiming Marino didn't have a ridiculously quick release, cannon arm and put up HUGE stats. You have to realize the argument here and you're on the wrong side of it.

Also, Wellington and to a lesser extent Jack Mara were HUGE factors in the setup of the NFL we see today. George Steinbrenner in MLB wanted and exploited their financial advantage and influence to do so. The Maras did the complete opposite for the good of the game in the NFL and very well could of done or gone the same route to who knows what result (league was having some issues overall). I tip my hat to both of them for taking this route, others may look at it differently but I think they're myopic in their take (usually big market team fans wanting Yankee like advantages and parity haters).

spoon never said anything against what you said. actually what you quoted of mine had nothing to do with what you just said. I knew nothing of pre salary cap or post. So for the Marras to do that it is great for the sport and the right thing to do. I argue all the time that baseball needs one and that the current situation is not fair. but once again it had nothing to do with this entire argument or how it all started!

Of course Im being a homer and have ever right to be. The argument against Marino is he has no ring. Even so he is still put in top 10 even top 5 lists to this day for a reason, he was a great QB. Football is a team game, you cant blame QBs for not winning it all but thats football and Marino has never shied away from people talking about him having no ring!

[Snacks]

Seems to be a theme out there tonight, eh pretty much everyday to be honest.

what do you mean?

[Snoogans]

spoon never said anything against what you said. actually what you quoted of mine had nothing to do with what you just said. I knew nothing of pre salary cap or post. So for the Marras to do that it is great for the sport and the right thing to do. I argue all the time that baseball needs one and that the current situation is not fair. but once again it had nothing to do with this entire argument or how it all started!

Of course Im being a homer and have ever right to be. The argument against Marino is he has no ring. Even so he is still put in top 10 even top 5 lists to this day for a reason, he was a great QB. Football is a team game, you cant blame QBs for not winning it all but thats football and Marino has never shied away from people talking about him having no ring!

no the argument against marino was to fuck with you. How can you possibly believe some of the shit we said? Come on man, read it again. The only thing we really argued with was you overblowing everything about how great your franchise is

[Snoogans]

what do you mean?

he means that im a douche and i talk to people like an asshole even though ive been doing it jokingly pretty much since I started posting on the board. it never used to bother him til we got into a fight and now he acts like all of a sudden im actually doing it to try to be a cock, not for the same reason i have done it since i started posting. You also took it that way for a short time during our argument.

I dont understand how its not obvious im fuckin with people i know at least somewhat well when I do that. Except with tenbatz. Im not joking when im a dick to tenbatz. Ever

[Snacks]

i know. I said a ton of things tonight that are ridiculous along the same lines as the things he is saying that are ridiculous. It was to make the point that its nuts to say that, and lets get back to what actually happened.

and also, alot of it was to rile up anthony, who im starting to believe actually thinks i meant it when i ranked marino as the 10034the best QB ever

yeah I really believed you. I dont think you think he is garbage I do think you like many other asses think rings are the only thing that matters. To me when talking about players and how good they are I always go to stats because not everyone can or will win championships. Marino isnt any less a great QB for not winning. Sir Charles isnt any less for not winning the NBA title. It has to do with your team, your competition in your division and league and match ups!

[Snoogans]

yeah I really believed you. I dont think you think he is garbage I do think you like many other asses think rings are the only thing that matters. To me when talking about players and how good they are I always go to stats because no everyone can or will win championships. Marino isnt any less a great QB for not winning. Sir Charles isnt any less for not winning the NBA title. It has to do with your team, your competition in your division and league and match ups!

come on man you know me better than that. Do you really think i fuckin think dilfer was actually better at playing QB? Im not TripleSkeet. Ive made it pretty clear in the past, esp in QB discussions that rings are not the end all be all of a QB. I was completely fuckin with you til you got outta control with the dolphins love

[Snacks]

he means that im a douche and i talk to people like an asshole even though ive been doing it jokingly pretty much since I started posting on the board. it never used to bother him til we got into a fight and now he acts like all of a sudden im actually doing it to try to be a cock, not for the same reason i have done it since i started posting. You also took it that way for a short time during our argument.

I dont understand how its not obvious im fuckin with people i know at least somewhat well when I do that. Except with tenbatz. Im not joking when im a dick to tenbatz. Ever

because youre typing on the fucking computer. sarcasm doesnt translate well.

[Snoogans]

because youre typing on the fucking computer. sarcasm doesnt translate well.

i understand, but i would think YEARS of this happening and people realizing would have people give me the benefit of the doubt that when i blanketly call people morons cause they think brady is better than manning or i seperate it to call you a dickface, that im just tryin to get a rise out of people cause thats alot more fun than reading people just debate shit back and forth or really fight each other

especially you cause you know me personally and I do the same shit to you in person

[Crippler]

What was chi known for? Their defense. If they couldnt stop miami then their power was exposed. McMahon wouldnt have thrown for shit its not like he did that season. He barely avg 200 yards a game and 1 td a game. So all of the sudden he would have been the difference? Fuller started and won 4 other games that season for the bears. That proves my argument that it had nothing to do with their QB it was their defense that lost to miami and Marino.

Also what I just looked up was McMahon played in this fucking game. He was 3-6 for 42 yards and an int. so fuller didnt even throw the 3 ints he threw 2 ints and 1 td and the great McMahon threw 1 int and 0 tds.

The vaunted Bears defense may not have played their best defense that night, but can you put the blame on a defense when they hold "the greatest QB of all time" to under 250 yds passing while sacking him 6 times?! When their own offense turns the ball over 3 times. When their special teams allows a blocked punt handing the ball over on the 6 yard line? When they muff a kickoff & give the opposition another shot at a short field? And when even during a play where Dan Hampton tips a Dan Marino pass at the line of scrimmage it still flutters 30 yards downfield & lands in the arms of Mark Clayton? Can you see all that happen & still say your team was inarguably superior? Or were they just playing with a golden horseshoe up their ass?

[Snacks]

come on man you know me better than that. Do you really think i fuckin think dilfer was actually better at playing QB? Im not TripleSkeet. Ive made it pretty clear in the past, esp in QB discussions that rings are not the end all be all of a QB. I was completely fuckin with you til you got outta control with the dolphins love

To me it came off like Marino was worse then Namath. Thats how I was taking it!

No I dont think that, your not like some others on this board who shall remain nameless. I thought you were better then that til tonight.

[Snoogans]

To me it came off like Marino was worse then Namath. Thats how I was taking it!

No I dont think that, your not like some others on this board who shall remain nameless. I thought you were better then that til tonight.

i said that marino was less successful. and in all caps. So you would notice it over everything else and get fired up. and clearly it worked.

[Snoogans]

The vaunted Bears defense may not have played their best defense that night, but can you put the blame on a defense when they hold "the greatest QB of all time" to under 250 yds passing while sacking him 6 times?! When their own offense turns the ball over 3 times. When their special teams allows a blocked punt handing the ball over on the 6 yard line? When they muff a kickoff & give the opposition another shot at a short field? And when even during a play where Dan Hampton tips a Dan Marino pass at the line of scrimmage it still flutters 30 yards downfield & lands in the arms of Mark Clayton? Can you see all that happen & still say your team was inarguably superior? Or were they just playing with a golden horseshoe up their ass?

the 07 giants woulda beat the 72 dolphins just like they beat NE. I know it. Its absolute fact, the giants got fucked by not playin the dolphins in 72

[Crippler]

Sadly, the '72 Dolphins may be one of the worst Super Bowl winning teams of all time.

[Snoogans]

anthony i just have to know, did you REALLY think i seriously thought the dolphins woulda been better off taking Kenny OBrien?

[Snacks]

The vaunted Bears defense may not have played their best defense that night, but can you put the blame on a defense when they hold "the greatest QB of all time" to under 250 yds passing while sacking him 6 times?! When their own offense turns the ball over 3 times. When their special teams allows a blocked punt handing the ball over on the 6 yard line? When they muff a kickoff & give the opposition another shot at a short field? And when even during a play where Dan Hampton tips a Dan Marino pass at the line of scrimmage it still flutters 30 yards downfield & lands in the arms of Mark Clayton? Can you see all that happen & still say your team was inarguably superior? Or were they just playing with a golden horseshoe up their ass?

you mean when he threw for 270 yards and 3 td 1 int? Which is it? they held Marino (which 270 isnt really holding him) or Miami had short fields? Cant have it both. Miami put up 400 total yards of offense. You either stopped him or didnt but both arguments actually work better in miamis favor looking at the stats and the score.

And cousin of mine after all these years why do you never bring up that Jimbo played in this game and threw and int? That is something that never seems to be brought up. You always blame Fuller for 3 ints when he really had 2!

Bastard!

[Snoogans]

Sadly, the '72 Dolphins may be one of the worst Super Bowl winning teams of all time.

i cant think of one that was worse



J E T S

[Snoogans]

you mean when he threw for 270 yards and 3 td 1 int? Which is it? they held Marino (which 270 isnt really holding him) or Miami had short fields? Cant have it both. Miami put up 400 total yards of offense. You either stopped him or didnt but both arguments actually work better in miamis favor looking at the stats and the score.

And cousin of mine after all these years why do you never bring up that Jimbo played in this game and threw and int? That is something that never seems to be brought up. You always blame Fuller for 3 ints when he really had 2!

Bastard!

he does have a point there crip. I wonder if Jim Kelly and his Bills woulda beat the 85 bears

[Snacks]

anthony i just have to know, did you REALLY think i seriously thought the dolphins woulda been better off taking Kenny OBrien?

no, but I think you thought you were fighting with someone else!

[Snoogans]

no, nut I think you thought you were fighting with someone else!

no, i posted that and you told me i was idiotic. So I thought you actually thought i meant it and wasnt just sayin it to call marino a failure.

[Snacks]

he does have a point there crip. I wonder if Jim Kelly and his Bills woulda beat the 85 bears

I still remember staying up late watching inside the NFL and them doing a special on a rematch for SB 20 being Miami vs Chi if Miami beat NE that Sunday. Everyone wanted that to be the SB and Miami fucked it up.

Do you know how great that would have been if they played each other in the SB?

[Snoogans]

I still remember staying up late watching inside the NFL and them doing a special on a rematch for SB 20 being Miami vs Chi if Miami beat NE that Sunday. Everyone wanted that to be the SB and Miami fucked it up.

Do you know how great that would have been if they played each other in the SB?

no, i dont. I was 2 years old. I know how great it was watching marino fail in the late 80s and 90s though

[spoon]

19. .503 over .500 that better then you thought?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/

about what i thought honestly

[Crippler]

you mean when he threw for 270 yards and 3 td 1 int? Which is it? they held Marino (which 270 isnt really holding him) or Miami had short fields? Cant have it both. Miami put up 400 total yards of offense. You either stopped him or didnt but both arguments actually work better in miamis favor looking at the stats and the score.

And cousin of mine after all these years why do you never bring up that Jimbo played in this game and threw and int? That is something that never seems to be brought up. You always blame Fuller for 3 ints when he really had 2!

Bastard!

Why can't it be both? Why can't a guy throw for a lot of yards on a drive that doesn't end in a TD, but benefit from being handed the ball on the 6 during another drive? And I don't ever mention McMahon playing in that game because he shouldn't have. He wasn't ready to return from his bruised kidney & shouldn't have even been in pads that night, but that's got little to do with the rest of this argument.

[Snoogans]

Why can't it be both? Why can't a guy throw for a lot of yards on a drive that doesn't end in a TD, but benefit from being handed the ball on the 6 during another drive? And I don't ever mention McMahon playing in that game because he shouldn't have. He wasn't ready to return from his bruised kidney & shouldn't have even been in pad that night, but that's got little to do with the rest of this argument.

but you did give credit to that backup for a INT that jimmy threw. Thats kinda not fair either

[Snacks]

Why can't it be both? Why can't a guy throw for a lot of yards on a drive that doesn't end in a TD, but benefit from being handed the ball on the 6 during another drive? And I don't ever mention McMahon playing in that game because he shouldn't have. He wasn't ready to return from his bruised kidney & shouldn't have even been in pad that night, but that's got little to do with the rest of this argument.

the reason it cant be both because you said they held marino. If Marino threw for 270 yards against the bears defense then they didnt hold him. Short fields wouldnt yield all that yardage and if he did drive on them during other possessions then they couldnt stop him if he was able to throw for 270 yards against that def!

[Snoogans]

all this remembering marinos failures has made me tired. Im off to bed. but remember




the laces were in

[Crippler]

but you did give credit to that backup for a INT that jimmy threw. Thats kinda not fair either

That's 100% true, but I never thought in a million years my cousin would do the research needed to argue that point back at me. So as long as he continues to not want to rewatch the game with me, I figured I was in the clear.

[Snacks]

All I can say to all of you about this entire night is

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[Snacks]

That's 100% true, but I never thought in a million years my cousin would do the research needed to argue that point back at me. So as long as he continues to not want to rewatch the game with me, I figured I was in the clear.

and to this i say look at my previous post!!!

[Crippler]

Can't argue with that. Goodnight.:surrender:

[Fallon]

Wooooooooooooooooooo!

What a relaxing game to watch, I like close games, but blowing out the Jets on Monday Night is awesome.

Woodhead looks like he's part of the NFL Play60.

[Freitag]

lets be fair. the jets did get to that AFC championship game in like 97 or whatever with Vinny. That was awesome, especially cause it gave them tons of hope for the next year and then vinny blew his achillies while standing still by himself

Achilles injuries are always freak accidents. Remember the Iowa QB earlier this season?

[Freitag]

3 brett favre
4 brett favre
5 aaron rodgers
6 don majkowkieasprteih
7 brett favre
8 bart starr
9 brett favre
10 brett favre


10033 Joe Namath
10034 Dan Marino


YES!

[Snoogans]

fuckin tenbatz, what a douche. actually makin me laugh and shit

[TripleSkeet]

omg having a conversation with you gives me a fucking headache. I dont give 2 shits what you think of Marino. Most normal people call him 1 of the greatest QBs ever. He is the only one on the list that doesnt have a ring.. If he had even 1 ring he would be THE Best. He is considered by far the best passing QB ever with or without a ring. I dont need you to justify Marino.

When its all said and done Manning will go down as the greatest QB to ever play the game and Marino will still be on the list ahead of most of the QBs who have won a ring.

The reason why some wouldve considered him the best if had won a ring is because AT THE TIME he owned like every record and wouldve had a ring too. Thats why I dont consider Manning the best ever, as he has a ring and SOME records, alot of of other QBs have come along to divy up those Marino records.

But even in his prime I know alot of people that put Montana ahead of him. Besides the fact he had 4 rings he bent Marino over his knee to win one of them.

[KnoxHarrington]

Meanwhile, the NFL story everyone is sick of but never goes away is back: yet another rumor about a team moving to LA.

If the planets are to align for football in Los Angeles, they may do so in a hurry. If Tim Leiweke does his job over the next year in laying the groundwork for a downtown events center, expect the Chargers to announce shortly after Feb. 1, 2012, they will be here to start the 2012 season, probably playing in the Coliseum. Talk to anyone who has spent time with Chargers owner Dean Spanos -- and Spanos already has a pretty good idea of the endgame. Ordinarily, that's a loss in the playoffs, but now it's all about moving to L.A.

Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/253350-chargers-moving-to-la-for-2012-season#ixzz17Ro5IiDr

I still think the most logical team to move to LA is the Jacksonville Jaguars, because that team doesn't draw flies there, but I guess just moving the Chargers up the coast makes sense too.

Still, though, I'm just not sure how much LA really wants the NFL.

[TripleSkeet]

Meanwhile, the NFL story everyone is sick of but never goes away is back: yet another rumor about a team moving to LA.



I still think the most logical team to move to LA is the Jacksonville Jaguars, because that team doesn't draw flies there, but I guess just moving the Chargers up the coast makes sense too.

Still, though, I'm just not sure how much LA really wants the NFL.

Thats awful. With all that history they will just up and move the Chargers? I hadnt even heard anything about them thinking of relocating.

[Earlshog]

Coach Mike Shanahan said in a statement that DL Albert Haynesworth, suspended for the final four games without pay, "refused to follow the instructions of our coaches both during weekly practices and during actual games."

[Snoogans]

Thats awful. With all that history they will just up and move the Chargers? I hadnt even heard anything about them thinking of relocating.

in that case its whatever. they are moving what, 2 hours away? Its not that big a deal as if it was Jax moving to LA

[Snacks]

The reason why some wouldve considered him the best if had won a ring is because AT THE TIME he owned like every record and wouldve had a ring too. Thats why I dont consider Manning the best ever, as he has a ring and SOME records, alot of of other QBs have come along to divy up those Marino records.

But even in his prime I know alot of people that put Montana ahead of him. Besides the fact he had 4 rings he bent Marino over his knee to win one of them.

well that just stupid because no one in their right mind can say Montana is a better QB even without the 4 rings. Because the 4 rings are the majority of not the only reason people even put him in the conversation.

Marino still owns a lot of records. The only reason a lot of them have been passed are purely the rule changes. You cant touch the QB and you cant touch the wrs. Making it easier to throw and complete passes because the def allows it rather then get a penalty. All you have to look at is, this year there are 5 QB about to break his yards in a season record (I still have a feeling they will fall short but hope if anyone does it Manning will) and out of those 5 1 of them is Orton. Enough said!

His 48 TD record blew away the previous one yet in the last 5 years his record has been broken 2 times 49 by manning and then Brady 50. And lets remember Brady had no business getting 50. That teams was running up the score on people and throwing when up by 3 or 4 tds in the 4th Q not even taking brady out.

[Snacks]

Meanwhile, the NFL story everyone is sick of but never goes away is back: yet another rumor about a team moving to LA.



I still think the most logical team to move to LA is the Jacksonville Jaguars, because that team doesn't draw flies there, but I guess just moving the Chargers up the coast makes sense too.

Still, though, I'm just not sure how much LA really wants the NFL.

Jax should move to LA their team value would sky rocket and they would b in market 2 rather then market 50 (I made that # up) If not Jax then the Bills should move. I feel bad for the city but for a team that sells out every game they cant make any money.

I just hope if they do move they change their name. For the most part I hate when teams move and keep their name like the hornets or the jazz. To me the Charlotte Hornets sounds so much better then New Orleans. I wish the current Bobcats kept the name Hornets.

[Snacks]

in that case its whatever. they are moving what, 2 hours away? Its not that big a deal as if it was Jax moving to LA

True but SD has a great history and a disastrous one. But they have been a great org. I would hate to see them move more then Jax. I think Jax is the only team I wouldnt mind seeing move! Every other team their city deserves to keep them.

[Snoogans]

True but SD has a great history and a disastrous one. But they have been a great org. I would hate to see them move more then Jax. I think Jax is the only team I wouldnt mind seeing move! Every other team their city deserves to keep them.

i agree and they should stay in SD but im sayin moving SD is not killin a fanbase like when Cleveland moved to Baltimore. Most of the people who go to SD games would still be able to go in LA. It would almost be like the Giants and Jets moving 2 hours away. All the same people would still be the fan base.


I also agree the jaguars are just worthless

[KnoxHarrington]

Jax should move to LA their team value would sky rocket and they would b in market 2 rather then market 50 (I made that # up) If not Jax then the Bills should move. I feel bad for the city but for a team that sells out every game they cant make any money.

I just hope if they do move they change their name. For the most part I hate when teams move and keep their name like the hornets or the jazz. To me the Charlotte Hornets sounds so much better then New Orleans. I wish the current Bobcats kept the name Hornets.

I think the Bills desperately want to move to Toronto. I'm not sure if there's any legal/business considerations that would stop that, like the Canadian government wanting to protect the CFL or something like that.

And I still think that Godell is hell-bent on having a team in London. I think that if that seems at all possible, it's going to happen.

[hanso]

Jax should move to LA their team value would sky rocket and they would b in market 2 rather then market 50 (I made that # up) If not Jax then the Bills should move. I feel bad for the city but for a team that sells out every game they cant make any money.

I just hope if they do move they change their name. For the most part I hate when teams move and keep their name like the hornets or the jazz. To me the Charlotte Hornets sounds so much better then New Orleans. I wish the current Bobcats kept the name Hornets.

Fuck that. (they are doing better for a change) Let them have the Hornets.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Coach Mike Shanahan said in a statement that DL Albert Haynesworth, suspended for the final four games without pay, "refused to follow the instructions of our coaches both during weekly practices and during actual games."

Yeah, that's not going to cause a Player's Association grievance or anything.

Probably it's their idea to try and get out of the contract.

[spoon]

Thats awful. With all that history they will just up and move the Chargers? I hadnt even heard anything about them thinking of relocating.

Yah this and other relocation rumors have been around the Chargers for some time now. As the push for a new SD stadium continues to be stuck in neutral, the Spanos family is trying to use the rumor mill now to finally get something done. There is a reported deal being proposed on a site within the limits of SD as we speak, but it's far from a done deal. It's about the 15th site proposed in the SD general area, with all but the last one I speak of being shot down. I surely think it's a ploy to gain some traction for this last of many proposals, but I also don't doubt the Spanos family would relocate the team to raise the value of the franchise and then sell it off. They have been linked to many stories of late as well saying they are looking to sell the team and LA money there too has been a HUGE focus in potential buyers.

[spoon]

in that case its whatever. they are moving what, 2 hours away? Its not that big a deal as if it was Jax moving to LA

It is quite the big deal. It's more than two hours, in fact it's all fucking day with the traffic in that area. Also, the two cities for how close they are geographically are completely different in nature. It'd be a huge change either way, but at least the fans quotient would go up in a Jax to LA move. SD is sold out or very close every game with a GARBAGE stadium, location and coach.

[KnoxHarrington]

It is quite the big deal. It's more than two hours, in fact it's all fucking day with the traffic in that area. Also, the two cities for how close they are geographically are completely different in nature. It'd be a huge change either way, but at least the fans quotient would go up in a Jax to LA move. SD is sold out or very close every game with a GARBAGE stadium, location and coach.

And, as you note, San Diego views itself as an entirely different city from Los Angeles, so San Diegans would view the Chargers moving to L.A. very much like New Yorkers would view the Jets moving to Philadelphia or something along those lines. It would be as complete a break from their fan base as moving Jacksonville out there would be in its own way.

[spoon]

Marino still owns a lot of records. The only reason a lot of them have been passed are purely the rule changes. You cant touch the QB and you cant touch the wrs. Making it easier to throw and complete passes because the def allows it rather then get a penalty. All you have to look at is, this year there are 5 QB about to break his yards in a season record (I still have a feeling they will fall short but hope if anyone does it Manning will) and out of those 5 1 of them is Orton. Enough said!



Is the league different now then when Marino played, sure. Yet that is so full of hyperbole it's comical. Here's the breakdown of the top 5 qbs this year, and not ONE is on pace to break the record, much less Orton or the 5th place Rodgers at this point. All I did was take where they currently stand, took their average yards for the year and multiplied by 4 games to come up with their projected stats. Can someone still do it? Sure. Yet it's a long shot and the players in question ARE NOT some schlubs as you try to show with the Orton/enough said point.

#1 All-time: Marino 5084 yards @ 317.8 yards/game (Fouts #1 there @ 320.3 yards/game)

2010 top 5 Currently

Manning 3709 @ 309.1 on pace for 4945 (-139) *Would Rank him 3rd all-time*

Rivers 3642 @ 303.5 on pace for 4856 (-238) *Would Rank him 4th all-time*

Brees 3634 @ 302.8 on pace for 4845 (-239) *Would Rank him 5th all-time*

ORTON 3487 @ 290.6 on pace for 4649 (-435) *Would Rank him 15th all-time*

Rodgers 3243 @ 270.3 on pace for 4324 (-760) *Would Rank him 29th all-time*



Sure it's a passing heavy NFL these days, but right now not one is on pace and the bottom two have pretty much ZERO shot to do it. Yet I remember you saying we should go by percentages with winning so I propose Fouts has the record on passing yards for a season based on his average WAY above Marino in 82 when he missed a few games due to injury. HA! I'm not that stupid or biased.

[Sinestro]

The San Diego Chargers of Los Angeles. sounds like a good name.

[Snacks]

Is the league different now then when Marino played, sure. Yet that is so full of hyperbole it's comical. Here's the breakdown of the top 5 qbs this year, and not ONE is on pace to break the record, much less Orton or the 5th place Rodgers at this point. All I did was take where they currently stand, took their average yards for the year and multiplied by 4 games to come up with their projected stats. Can someone still do it? Sure. Yet it's a long shot and the players in question ARE NOT some schlubs as you try to show with the Orton/enough said point.

#1 All-time: Marino 5084 yards @ 317.8 yards/game (Fouts #1 there @ 320.3 yards/game)

2010 top 5 Currently

Manning 3709 @ 309.1 on pace for 4945 (-139) *Would Rank him 3rd all-time*

Rivers 3642 @ 303.5 on pace for 4856 (-238) *Would Rank him 4th all-time*

Brees 3634 @ 302.8 on pace for 4845 (-239) *Would Rank him 5th all-time*

ORTON 3487 @ 290.6 on pace for 4649 (-435) *Would Rank him 15th all-time*

Rodgers 3243 @ 270.3 on pace for 4324 (-760) *Would Rank him 29th all-time*



Sure it's a passing heavy NFL these days, but right now not one is on pace and the bottom two have pretty much ZERO shot to do it. Yet I remember you saying we should go by percentages with winning so I propose Fouts has the record on passing yards for a season based on his average WAY above Marino in 82 when he missed a few games due to injury. HA! I'm not that stupid or biased.

I knew you would bring Fouts up it was only a matter of time. 4 of 5 of these guys have more yards then Marino did at the same time he broke the record. Thats why they are all on pace. As of last week every single one of them was said to be aheado f Marinos pace. Yes if they need to step up and do better then their avg are so far. But so did Marino. The last 4 weeks of the season Marino had to throw for 1703 yards to get to the 5084 yard record he now has. If you add the 434 yards he had the week before he had 2137 yards the last 5 weeks of the season.

Similar to when Big Mac and Sosa were going for the HR record after every home run they would say Maris was at this at this point so they are ahead or behind the pace. Whatever it was at the time. The top 4 are all ahead of Marinos pace to break his record!

They said last week going into this past weeks games 4 of 5 were on pace and had more yards then Marino did. Marino went nuts the last 5 weeks for a playoff push. Just like Brees did last year. No one has ever gotten close to Marinos record and til the last 10 -15 years or so since the rules have changed every year to benefit the Offense thats when more and more people are getting closer. To say its hyperbole and comical is comical itself. Look at the list of most yards in a season. Most of the names in the top 20 are more recent and more often in the past 15 year or so. The reason being its a pass happy league and easier to pass.

If anyone does it I hope it Manning just like I was ok with him with the TD record and I want him to get that back too. I want Manning to break every Favre an Marino record because Manning is the 1 QB that will go down as the greatest ever. He deserves too IMO

[Snoogans]

It is quite the big deal. It's more than two hours, in fact it's all fucking day with the traffic in that area. Also, the two cities for how close they are geographically are completely different in nature. It'd be a huge change either way, but at least the fans quotient would go up in a Jax to LA move. SD is sold out or very close every game with a GARBAGE stadium, location and coach.

i understand traffic during the week but on a sunday morning at 8am i dont think there would be that much traffic

[TripleSkeet]

well that just stupid because no one in their right mind can say Montana is a better QB even without the 4 rings. Because the 4 rings are the majority of not the only reason people even put him in the conversation.

Marino still owns a lot of records. The only reason a lot of them have been passed are purely the rule changes. You cant touch the QB and you cant touch the wrs. Making it easier to throw and complete passes because the def allows it rather then get a penalty. All you have to look at is, this year there are 5 QB about to break his yards in a season record (I still have a feeling they will fall short but hope if anyone does it Manning will) and out of those 5 1 of them is Orton. Enough said!

His 48 TD record blew away the previous one yet in the last 5 years his record has been broken 2 times 49 by manning and then Brady 50. And lets remember Brady had no business getting 50. That teams was running up the score on people and throwing when up by 3 or 4 tds in the 4th Q not even taking brady out.

You gotta be kidding me. Brady doesnt deserve the record, but Manning does??? Indy didnt run up the score on people? And even if they didnt what does that matter? Does the record only count if your defense stinks and cant hold the other team to less points???

And your Orton example is perfect for what I was talking about with QB stats. Why does Orton have all that yardage? Because his team blows and they are constantly losing. So hes stuck back there throwing all day long. All that yardage and how many wins do they have? 3? Yea, hes a great QB.

Montana doesnt deserve to be in the same conversation as Marino as far as QBs go??? Holy shitballs. I cant even wrap my head around that statement. He was the QB of the offense that CHANGED FOOTBALL AS WE KNOW IT. You act like he got lucky and got carried to a title by his team. Anyone remember the 49ers from 1980 and before? They werent exactly a fucking powerhouse. He turned that team into what it became. And people love to point to Jerry Rice forgetting he won a Super Bowl while Rice was still in college.

Then he went to KC and took a shit team and made them a playoff contender when he was past his prime.

[TripleSkeet]

in that case its whatever. they are moving what, 2 hours away? Its not that big a deal as if it was Jax moving to LA

The difference is if Jacksonville up and moved 3/4 of the city wouldnt give a shit. Their fanbase blows. San Diego actually has a rich history and a loyal fanbase. They dont deserve to lose their team.

The part I really dont get is nobody in LA even gives a fuck if they have an NFL team or not. Its just about money and status for the league. Hoping to get tv viewership and such. They lost 2 teams in the same year and nobody made a peep. Fuck LA. Let them keep their basketball, they dont deserve a football franchise and dont care if they get one anyway.

[Snacks]

You gotta be kidding me. Brady doesnt deserve the record, but Manning does??? Indy didnt run up the score on people? And even if they didnt what does that matter? Does the record only count if your defense stinks and cant hold the other team to less points???

And your Orton example is perfect for what I was talking about with QB stats. Why does Orton have all that yardage? Because his team blows and they are constantly losing. So hes stuck back there throwing all day long. All that yardage and how many wins do they have? 3? Yea, hes a great QB.

Montana doesnt deserve to be in the same conversation as Marino as far as QBs go??? Holy shitballs. I cant even wrap my head around that statement. He was the QB of the offense that CHANGED FOOTBALL AS WE KNOW IT. You act like he got lucky and got carried to a title by his team. Anyone remember the 49ers from 1980 and before? They werent exactly a fucking powerhouse. He turned that team into what it became. And people love to point to Jerry Rice forgetting he won a Super Bowl while Rice was still in college.

Then he went to KC and took a shit team and made them a playoff contender when he was past his prime.

you said even without any of the 4 rings he would still be better then Marino and to that I say youre nuts. KC was not a shit team. KC had great teams in the 90s. SF had dominate teams and were built like the Cowboys of the 90s. No one says Aikman is one of the bests because hes not. He was a great QB for that team and a winner. Team and coaching is a huge part to why a team wins a championship. Sorry if you dont agree, doesnt really matter to me!

[epo]

you said even without any of the 4 rings he would still be better then Marino and to that I say youre nuts. KC was not a shit team. KC had great teams in the 90s. SF had dominate teams and were built like the Cowboys of the 90s. No one says Aikman is one of the bests because hes not. He was a great QB for that team and a winner. Team and coaching is a huge part to why a team wins a championship. Sorry if you dont agree, doesnt really matter to me!

Without the rings Montana is still better than Marino.

At least Joe Cool would hold the laces outside.

[Snacks]

Look at the avg QBs that won SB and tell me its not about the team, coaching and Defense?

Jets Joe Namath (actually below avg, POS who has more int/td and a career losing record)
Bob Griese has 2
Ken Stabler
Jim Plunkett has 2
Jim McMahon
Doug Williams
Jeff Hosteller
Mark Rypen
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson

10 Super Bowls right there that suck and have rings.
Montana 4
Brady 3
Aikman 3
Big Ben 2
Bradshaw 4
Elway 2
Another 18 taken by great QBs


Im not even adding Len Dawsons, Joe Theisman or Eli and they probably could be on this list that the the team, the coaching and the defense were just as much the reason if not more of the reason they won a title.

Like I have said many times you cant judge players in any team sport by their rings, especially only by their rings. It all depends how good the team is around you and how the coaches make the right decisions at the right time.

I have seen some of the greats. I have been amazed at things Brady and Montana have done. But to me Elway is currently the greatest QB to ever play the game because he did it all and he even needed a RB, coach and def before he could win a SB. Manning, if he continues his production will be the greatest ever.


ITS ABOUT TEAM!

[epo]

And the basic argument against Marino always has been that Shula designed the team around Marino's ego and not around the team needs.

A great o-line and receivers, but no run game or defense.

[spoon]

I knew you would bring Fouts up it was only a matter of time.

OH but I brought him into the argument simply in jest. He was a great qb to watch air it out all day and the Air Coryell attack was awesome. However, he's an icon in SD and never got the job done in the end. Sure their D back then was fucking AWFUL but when you're judging the top qbs EVER, he's not at the top of that list for many reasons. He's a HOF qb and huge name in SD as he should be. Yet I'm not so simple minded or biased enough to put him into any conversation about the top qbs of all time.

Now Ryan Leaf, Billy Joe Tolliver and Ryan Friesz on the other hand surely should be in the mix. There you'll have an argument from me!

[Snacks]

OH but I brought him into the argument simply in jest. He was a great qb to watch air it out all day and the Air Coryell attack was awesome. However, he's an icon in SD and never got the job done in the end. Sure their D back then was fucking AWFUL but when you're judging the top qbs EVER, he's not at the top of that list for many reasons. He's a HOF qb and huge name in SD as he should be. Yet I'm not so simple minded or biased enough to put him into any conversation about the top qbs of all time.

Now Ryan Leaf, Billy Joe Tolliver and Ryan Friesz on the other hand surely should be in the mix. There you'll have an argument from me!

Im not being bias when it comes to Marino. Like I said to you multiple times Marino is talked about by most people when they talk about best QBs not just Miami fans. He is considered the best passer ever, ring or no ring! Its not me its fact.

I cant believe you of all people are such a hater towards Marino and my Dolphins.

[spoon]

OH but I brought him into the argument simply in jest. He was a great qb to watch air it out all day and the Air Coryell attack was awesome. However, he's an icon in SD and never got the job done in the end. Sure their D back then was fucking AWFUL but when you're judging the top qbs EVER, he's not at the top of that list for many reasons. He's a HOF qb and huge name in SD as he should be. Yet I'm not so simple minded or biased enough to put him into any conversation about the top qbs of all time.

Now Ryan Leaf, Billy Joe Tolliver and Ryan Friesz on the other hand surely should be in the mix. There you'll have an argument from me!

Im not being bias when it comes to Marino. Like I said to you multiple times Marino is talked about by most people when they talk about best QBs not just Miami fans. He is considered the best passer ever, ring or no ring! Its not me its fact.

I cant believe you of all people are such a hater towards Marino and my Dolphins.

I'm far from a hater, but I don't think ANYONE said he wasn't a great passer at any point. Most are saying he's not the greatest qb or at the top of the conversation for a multitude of very good reasons/strong arguments. If we're talking great passers, Fouts IS in the conversation, but greatest qbs not so much. Focus Ant.

[Snacks]

I'm far from a hater, but I don't think ANYONE said he wasn't a great passer at any point. Most are saying he's not the greatest qb or at the top of the conversation for a multitude of very good reasons/strong arguments. If we're talking great passers, Fouts IS in the conversation, but greatest qbs not so much. Focus Ant.

I am focused ass!!! The difference is Marino IS brought up when the greatest of all time is discussed. Not by me by most people. He is just happens to be the only one that doesnt have a ring when that conversation is brought up. That shows how great he was. To be the only one in the discussion that doesnt have a championship is very impressive! Whenever I talk about who I think the best of all time is I say Elway because he did it all including running.

[spoon]

you really fucked up all the quotes AND Marino sucks :innocent:

[Snacks]

you really fucked up all the quotes AND Marino sucks :innocent:

at least you made me laugh! douche!

[TripleSkeet]

you said even without any of the 4 rings he would still be better then Marino and to that I say youre nuts. KC was not a shit team. KC had great teams in the 90s. SF had dominate teams and were built like the Cowboys of the 90s. No one says Aikman is one of the bests because hes not. He was a great QB for that team and a winner. Team and coaching is a huge part to why a team wins a championship. Sorry if you dont agree, doesnt really matter to me!

I said without the rings that Montana would still be considered better then Marino? Whered I say that? I said without the rings he was still a great QB, but I dont remember ever ranking him without them. Thats part of what makes him great, he found ways to win. Thats actually a trait in QBs. That when all looks lost they find ways to win. Elway was like that, Bradys like that, to a point Manning is too, hell Marino too, he just couldnt do it in the big games. Bottom line is you cant just not count his 4 rings because he DID win them.

And I think Aikman is great. He was a big part of those 3 Dallas Super Bowls. I think the reason he doesnt get as much respect as he deserves is because he had Emmett Smith, and Dallas was a run first team. But I think Aikman Top 15, Maybe even Top 10 all time. And Im an Eagles fan, do you know how hard it is for me to say that???

[spoon]

Henne, 2nd best ever?

[Snacks]

Henne, 2nd best ever?

Better then Rivers Right Now!

Every time I watch Rivers I just think how lucky SD is that Eli or better yet Archie was such a bitch. Because you got Rivers instead of Eli. you also got Castillo and Merriman who was a beast for 3 years. The NYG are happy Eli got them their ring but I dont think one sane person would rather have Eli over Rivers.

[spoon]

Better then Rivers Right Now!

Every time I watch Rivers I just think how lucky SD is that Eli or better yet Archie was such a bitch. Because you got Rivers instead of Eli. you also got Castillo and Merriman who was a beast for 3 years. The NYG are happy Eli got them their ring but I dont think one sane person would rather have Eli over Rivers.

Kaeding not Castillo. Castillo was SD's original pick if memory serves me right.

Yah I'm happy with it to some extent, but Eli and the Giants have a SB out of it so I'm sure they're ok with it. I'm not an Eli basher at all either. Yet remember, perhaps if SD didn't go QB there they'd have both Brees and NOT TURNER. So many angles to look at when thinking back.

[Snacks]

Kaeding not Castillo. Castillo was SD's original pick if memory serves me right.

Yah I'm happy with it to some extent, but Eli and the Giants have a SB out of it so I'm sure they're ok with it. I'm not an Eli basher at all either. Yet remember, perhaps if SD didn't go QB there they'd have both Brees and NOT TURNER. So many angles to look at when thinking back.

And there you have it! My point proven again. Coaching, def, total team along with what the QB does to win a SB. Even if your QB is a stud doesnt mean you will win anything. I think we can all agree Rivers has been much better. But who has the ring!

[sailor]

you really fucked up all the quotes AND Marino sucks :innocent:

fixed half of that.

[underdog]

His 48 TD record blew away the previous one yet in the last 5 years his record has been broken 2 times 49 by manning and then Brady 50. And lets remember Brady had no business getting 50. That teams was running up the score on people and throwing when up by 3 or 4 tds in the 4th Q not even taking brady out.

To say that the Colts never ran up the score is fucking retarded.

[Snacks]

To say that the Colts never ran up the score is fucking retarded.

No team that I can recall has done what the Patriots did that year. I cant think of a game when the Colts were up by 14 or 21 in the 4th q and they were still throwing bombs. No one did that but the Pats. Thats one of the reason so many people hated the Pats that year because they tried to embarrass every team. I have no problem with running up the score but the way they did it with bombs to Moss when they werent needed was stupid. They were lucky Moss or Brady wasnt hurt!

[Snacks]

Boomer and Carton said that the Miami Dolphins called the NYG and asked if they could fly up early and use their facility to practice so they could get used to the cold weather. Carton and jets fans are going nuts about this.

I would like to thank the NYG and their fans in advance. Hopefully this helps the Phins win. Then again Miami cant win at home but seems to be better on the road anyway!

[Gutter]

Boomer and Carton said that the Miami Dolphins called the NYG and asked if they could fly up early and use their facility to practice so they could get used to the cold weather. Carton and jets fans are going nuts about this.

I would like to thank the NYG and their fans in advance. Hopefully this helps the Phins win. Then again Miami cant win at home but seems to be better on the road anyway!

more evidence that the Jets are the unwelcome room mate who pays rent late and doesn't pick up his socks.

[Crippler]

more evidence that the Jets are the unwelcome room mate who pays rent late and doesn't pick up his socks.

...and fucks whores on the dining room table and you don't find out about it till a year later and he never flushes the damn toilet and...

Oh, sorry about that...I was having a flashback.

Back to NFL talk, how 'bout them Bears?

[King Imp]

Back to NFL talk, how 'bout them Bears?

If they can keep it close , or even win this week against the Pats, then I'll believe they're for real. Right now I'm still not sold on Favre Jr. He's been okay as of late, but he always has the potential to completely tank a game on his own.

[Snoogans]

Boomer and Carton said that the Miami Dolphins called the NYG and asked if they could fly up early and use their facility to practice so they could get used to the cold weather. Carton and jets fans are going nuts about this.

I would like to thank the NYG and their fans in advance. Hopefully this helps the Phins win. Then again Miami cant win at home but seems to be better on the road anyway!

thats fuckin awesome

more evidence that the Jets are the unwelcome room mate who pays rent late and doesn't pick up his socks.

actually they dont pay rent anymore. each team owns half the stadium now. But the practice facilities are seperate and the jets and giants each own their own. Thats what Miami is asking the Giants if they can use.

Did the Giants say yes? i really hope so

[KnoxHarrington]

From the "Aww geez, not this shit again" department:

DEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP) Brett Favre says he is still unsure if his injured throwing shoulder will allow him to play on Sunday against the New York Giants. The Minnesota Vikings quarterback hopes to make a decision by Friday.
Favre did not practice Wednesday as the Vikings started preparing for the Giants. He sprained the SC joint in his right shoulder on a crushing hit by Bills linebacker Arthur Moats last week and missed most of the game.
If Favre cannot play, his NFL record for consecutive starts would end at 297 regular season games. Favre says he isn't concerned about keeping the streak intact. He says "the most important streak right now is we've won two in a row."
Interim coach Leslie Frazier says the streak will not factor into the decision.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/12/08/brett-favre.ap/index.html#ixzz17YSZk2z2

Sure it won't, Leslie. Sure it won't.

This son of a bitch would try to play in a wheelchair if he thought it would keep his precious streak going. The team can go fuck itself.

[CountryBob]

Fuck you Haynesworth! Fuck you Dan Snyder!

Will the Skins ever be good again? Come on!!!!

[Dell]

Fuck you Haynesworth! Fuck you Dan Snyder!

Will the Skins ever be good again? Come on!!!!

I agree...Haynesworth was getting almost $300K a game and didn't want to play nose guard, waaa, waaa, waaa...

get players based position needs and not because they were once all pro...

[Snacks]

...and fucks whores on the dining room table and you don't find out about it till a year later and he never flushes the damn toilet and...

Oh, sorry about that...I was having a flashback.

Back to NFL talk, how 'bout them Bears?

wow just wow especially coming from you! You dont say things like this or cause controversy!

Fucking WOW

[Snacks]

thats fuckin awesome



actually they dont pay rent anymore. each team owns half the stadium now. But the practice facilities are seperate and the jets and giants each own their own. Thats what Miami is asking the Giants if they can use.

Did the Giants say yes? i really hope so

Yes, that was why they were so pissed!

[cougarjake13]

From the "Aww geez, not this shit again" department:



Sure it won't, Leslie. Sure it won't.

This son of a bitch would try to play in a wheelchair if he thought it would keep his precious streak going. The team can go fuck itself.

at this point what else does he have to play for

[cougarjake13]

Fuck you Haynesworth! Fuck you Dan Snyder!

Will the Skins ever be good again? Come on!!!!

the two greatest owners in football are dan synder and jerry jones


i hope they live forever and continue to own the team

[cougarjake13]

I agree...Haynesworth was getting almost $300K a game and didn't want to play nose guard, waaa, waaa, waaa...

get players based position needs and not because they were once all pro...

they actually did


it wasnt haynesworth fault that after he signed shannahan was brought in and changed the defense

[TripleSkeet]

No team that I can recall has done what the Patriots did that year. I cant think of a game when the Colts were up by 14 or 21 in the 4th q and they were still throwing bombs. No one did that but the Pats. Thats one of the reason so many people hated the Pats that year because they tried to embarrass every team. I have no problem with running up the score but the way they did it with bombs to Moss when they werent needed was stupid. They were lucky Moss or Brady wasnt hurt!

Really? I guess you never watched the 2000 Rams. Where they lost their kicker and rather then have someone else try to kick they just went for 2 point conversions the whole game. And I loved that team.

Personally I love when a team runs up the score. Fuck that, show no mercy.

[TheGameHHH]

Really? I guess you never watched the 2000 Rams. Where they lost their kicker and rather then have someone else try to kick they just went for 2 point conversions the whole game. And I loved that team.

Personally I love when a team runs up the score. Fuck that, show no mercy.

I feel the same way, this is the NFL. You in a fucking grown up league, you can't compete then tough shit. Get better. I'm all for taking it easy from Pop Warner all the way through college, but once you reach the pros I don't care if your team loses 100-0 it's your fault for sucking.