2011-12 NFL Season

[spoon]

I dont even get what youre saying here. 30 TDs is 30 TDs. If I said 30 passing TDs then youd have a point. I didnt. Therefore every TD counts. If he lined up in the wildcat and caught a pass for a TD, Id count it.


You also said Kolb and hence the argument that a first time qb wouldn't have put up those stats is moot if you put in Vick instead. My point is you are directly substituting Vick's stats to what Kolb "would have" if he had started. That's the same as saying Rivers would have won the SB with the Giants in place of Manning, only worse bc of time lines and past performances in this case.

[spoon]

yeah but when youre talking about a QB i think we all thought you meant passing TDs. if he had 34 passing tds and 1 catching td i dont think one person here would say you won. now if youre talking about vick i would guarantee someone would have said 35 total tds not just the word tds.

I totally agree on this, but it doesn't even matter bc it's only a sig bet (hardly a payoff) and it's completely over.

When we argued it, I made points that only around 5 or so qbs throw more than 30 in most years, the top qbs in the league. You place Kolb there as a first-time starter in a tough conf with no fucking line at all. Yah, that's why I made the connection bt your Rivers/Manning argument.

[TripleSkeet]

yeah but when youre talking about a QB i think we all thought you meant passing TDs. if he had 34 passing tds and 1 catching td i dont think one person here would say you won. now if youre talking about vick i would guarantee someone would have said 35 total tds not just the word tds.

Well when you make a bet you need to know what youre betting. As he said it doesnt matter because the bet was lost no matter what, but if Kolb had finished with 28 passing TDs and 2 rushing, I absolutely wouldve considered that my bet won.

It was more when they were choosing bt the two after each played about a game or so. I for one said bc of the line, Vick's mobility and the contract status of both it made complete sense to put Vick in, as I did to the shitload of Eagle fans in my family. I'm not going back to the beg of the year to show this, as you have to remember that. It was mainly Snoogans and myself, but others jumped in too.

And I actually agreed with you on that point. I didnt expect the line to be that horrendous. I even said afterwards he may have made that decision as much to protect Kolb from having his career ended then to win games. My only problem I had was Reid going back on his practice of not losing your spot to injury. But before the season started when I predicted Kolb to have a big year, nobody thought Vick had anything left, including me.

[TripleSkeet]

You also said Kolb and hence the argument that a first time qb wouldn't have put up those stats is moot if you put in Vick instead. My point is you are directly substituting Vick's stats to what Kolb "would have" if he had started. That's the same as saying Rivers would have won the SB with the Giants in place of Manning, only worse bc of time lines and past performances in this case.

And Im still not saying Kolb wouldve had the same numbers. I was just pointing out that those weapons on that offense can help you put up some amazing numbers. As well as Vick did this year he wouldnt have put up those numbers with the WRs or RBs they have in say....Washington.

[spoon]

And Im still not saying Kolb wouldve had the same numbers. I was just pointing out that those weapons on that offense can help you put up some amazing numbers. As well as Vick did this year he wouldnt have put up those numbers with the WRs or RBs they have in say....Washington.

Well talk about opposite ends of the spectrum why don't you?!

If the bet was for something decent we surely would have ironed out the details as well. I've never placed any bet outside this one with you in the past, but I know you would have least paid up unlike some Albanian welch. I'd be embarrassed if I were him, but I guess that explains his hiatus from the board...unless it's taking him another 40 weeks to repair his comp. Fucking sad.

[TripleSkeet]

Well talk about opposite ends of the spectrum why don't you?!

If the bet was for something decent we surely would have ironed out the details as well. I've never placed any bet outside this one with you in the past, but I know you would have least paid up unlike some Albanian welch. I'd be embarrassed if I were him, but I guess that explains his hiatus from the board...unless it's taking him another 40 weeks to repair his comp. Fucking sad.

Ive been hearing about that bet forever. I still dont know what it was or what it was for. :lol:

[spoon]

wow, what a shit call in the Jet game

this over protection of qbs just went to a whole new level of shit

[newport king]

didn't welker get hurt in week 17?why is brady still in? what the fuck is wrong with new england?

[disneyspy]

didn't welker get hurt in week 17?why is brady still in? what the fuck is wrong with new england?

incentives in the contracts

[newport king]

for belichick?

[disneyspy]

brady started the day 4 TDs short of an extra million,no way is going to sit out the game

[Dell]

didn't welker get hurt in week 17?why is brady still in? what the fuck is wrong with new england?

fantasy football championships...if only Reid would start Vick for me...

[underdog]

didn't welker get hurt in week 17?why is brady still in? what the fuck is wrong with new england?

That's why Welker isn't playing.

The Patriots are trying to keep their momentum going. They can rest next week.

[Snacks]

brady started the day 4 TDs short of an extra million,no way is going to sit out the game

if thats true I hope he gets hurt. He makes what 15 million a year? Its not like he needs 1 td, 4 tds are a lot to take that risk for. Now it looks like he might get it because miami looks like dog shit.

Going into this game Miami's def is ranked 3rd overall yet they look like they quit. Its all on the coach. He needs to be fired today after the game. I dont know how Parcells who quit himself has tried or has convinced Miami to keep him and give him another chance?

[disneyspy]

fantasy football championships...if only Reid would start Vick for me...

you cant change your line up? thats stiff and im pissed i didnt start rothelesbergermeister

[Snacks]

Hoyer is in the game, smart, very smart.

[Dell]

you cant change your line up? thats stiff and im pissed i didnt start rothelesbergermeister

I knew he wasn't starting, so I have Rivers in my lineup...just hope he plays like he said...

I have 4 less losses over the season than the guy I'm playing for the championship...his Jets defense and Matt Ryan have me in a real hole right now...

[spoon]

brady started the day 4 TDs short of an extra million,no way is going to sit out the game

Ooof, not worth the risk if I was NE come on. If this is right he's still 2 away but up 31 against Miami right now. How do you justify keeping him in there at this point?

[spoon]

I knew he wasn't starting, so I have Rivers in my lineup...just hope he plays like he said...

I have 4 less losses over the season than the guy I'm playing for the championship...his Jets defense and Matt Ryan have me in a real hole right now...

So wait, you have Vick and Rivers? Are you playing against a bunch of mentally challenged people?

[disneyspy]

So wait, you have Vick and Rivers? Are you playing against a bunch of mentally challenged people?

red skins fans,same difference

[disneyspy]

and dell you're so fuckin lucky aggie didnt make her picks in the boring pickem league

[spoon]

and dell you're so fuckin lucky aggie didnt make her picks in the boring pickem league

HA!

I love how it went for YOUR AMAZING VICTORY to boring in one week!


:lol:

[Dell]

So wait, you have Vick and Rivers? Are you playing against a bunch of mentally challenged people?

drafted Rivers and picked up Vick when he was on IR...

[disneyspy]

HA!

I love how it went for YOUR AMAZING VICTORY to boring in one week!


:lol:

i wasnt talking about our fun league with cool messages,i was talking about the V3 league which is lacking in fun,thus boring boring boring

[spoon]

drafted Rivers and picked up Vick when he was on IR...

IR?

[spoon]

i wasnt talking about our fun league with cool messages,i was talking about the V3 league which is lacking in fun,thus boring boring boring

Let me guess, it turned into a gvac ass licking fest, then an MPW in the posting section and finally how everyone loves each other as people forget to make their picks?

[Dell]

IR?

Vick broke a couple ribs in the first game against Washington and placed on Injury Reserve (IR) for three weeks (counting the bye week)...somebody dumped him during that time because they thought Kolb would keep the starting job...

[disneyspy]

Let me guess, it turned into a gvac ass licking fest, then an MPW in the posting section and finally how everyone loves each other as people forget to make their picks?

no it was just me and aggie having fun and making all the fun posts,the rest of them were just plain ol boring

[spoon]

no it was just me and aggie having fun and making all the fun posts,the rest of them were just plain ol boring

Yah I like a bunch over there but sure sounds like V3 to me.

[spoon]

Vick broke a couple ribs in the first game against Washington and placed on Injury Reserve (IR) for three weeks (counting the bye week)...somebody dumped him during that time because they thought Kolb would keep the starting job...

I know Dell, my point is the injury was minimal in time and Vick was coming back as the starter like Reid stated. Who drops fucking Vick there?

[disneyspy]

i picked up reggie bush in like week7,i was so proud,havent played him yet

[Dell]

I know Dell, my point is the injury was minimal in time and Vick was coming back as the starter like Reid stated. Who drops fucking Vick there?

it was a very dumb move to drop him which explains why I was able to dominate during the season...championship game is looking bad right now...

I need Rivers, Foster, and the Packers defense to have big days to pull this one out...

[spoon]

You have a good chance on ALL of that happening.

[disneyspy]

fuck,even the lions are starting to kick some ass,blow out sunday,its sad but the only good game today might be rams/seahawks

[spoon]

fuck,even the lions are starting to kick some ass,blow out sunday,its sad but the only good game today might be rams/seahawks

And let's be honest, it's only the case by default. It's not like these two teams are worthy of the playoffs. Although I do like the young St. Louis team and they deserve it much more than those AWFUL players in Seattle and their cheating coach who fled the NCAA.

[spoon]

WOW!

How the hell did SD lose to Palmer....HE'S AWFUL (3 turnovers himself all while in scoring position)?

Fuck you NORV!

[spoon]

This is where it usually happens for Palmer...u watch!

[spoon]

U Suck!

[razorboy]

The only thing left to do is root for the Bears and the Skins. Great season either way. Freeman, Blount and Mike Williams should be a scary trio for a while going forward.

[Snacks]

The only thing left to do is root for the Bears and the Skins. Great season either way. Freeman, Blount and Mike Williams should be a scary trio for a while going forward.

GB was my preseason NFC SB pick so Im rooting for them but if they dont win I would love to see TB make it. What a great season for them and their young QB!

My picks are still alive. I had Dal or GB from the NFC and Balt or Indy from the AFC. Im happy KC lost today because it makes Indy and Balt match up with other teams not each other!

[spoon]

The only thing left to do is root for the Bears and the Skins. Great season either way. Freeman, Blount and Mike Williams should be a scary trio for a while going forward.

Blount I'm just not sold on yet, but man can you say coach of the year!?

[sailor]

And the raiders sweep the afc west. Excited about next year for the first time in a long while.

Let's hope for 80 points in the packers-bears game.

[epo]

In Green Bay that isn't a Kuhn cheer, its a Spoooooon cheer.

[spoon]

Ive been hearing about that bet forever. I still dont know what it was or what it was for. :lol:

$20 was for the +/- pick 5 teams challenge (via LV odds LAST YEAR)

$100 for a game in which he bet with his emotion on the Giants versus the Eagles in the playoffs (2 years ago). I got him to give me 10 points too! I literally said they would beat them outright, but of course I took the points. Philly won.

[spoon]

And the raiders sweep the afc west. Excited about next year for the first time in a long while.

Let's hope for 80 points in the packers-bears game.

HA!

I'm still not sure how KC did it, but man they got TROUNCED by both divisional opponents to end the year. Fuck you Turner. In case I haven't said that recently.

Oh and TS, nice first round of game picks. You're right back in this.

[underdog]

And the raiders sweep the afc west. Excited about next year for the first time in a long while.

Let's hope for 80 points in the packers-bears game.

They swept their division and didn't make the playoffs. That's weird.

And the Patriots own their first round draft pick.

[spoon]

In Green Bay that isn't a Kuhn cheer, its a Spoooooon cheer.

We are close.

http://www.yorkblog.com/yorktownsquare/johnkuhnX00020_9.jpeg

[spoon]

They swept their division and didn't make the playoffs. That's weird.

And the Patriots own their first round draft pick.

Come on man, Seymore put them over the top these last few years.

[sailor]

They swept their division and didn't make the playoffs. That's weird.

And the Patriots own their first round draft pick.

Joke's on them. They had to expect a top 5 pick.

[razorboy]

GB was my preseason NFC SB pick so Im rooting for them but if they dont win I would love to see TB make it. What a great season for them and their young QB!

Josh just continues to impress. We haven't had a real QB in Tampa since, well, ever.

Blount I'm just not sold on yet, but man can you say coach of the year!?

Blount needs to have a complimentary back, and he needs to get better at hitting the first hole in short yardage, but once he is moving it routinely takes four guys to bring him down and he is freaky athletically for a 250 lb guy. Hopefully Kareem Huggins can come back and provide a change of pace.

Rah has done a great job developing the young guys and plugging in scrubs for all the starters and their backups the team has lost this year. He has my hypothetical vote.

[spoon]

TS, KOLB only needs a few more now! He just tossed ANOTHER one!

:lol:

[jauble]

Houston is being helpful to me today.

[jauble]

Apparently its Vinatieri vs. Bironas this half.

[sailor]

obviously, the pack and bears are doing this to piss me off.

[sailor]

please score a td sd.

another fucking fg. fuck, fuck, fuck.

[jauble]

I agree with Boomer, take care of the game Indy. Need to put this one away.

[spoon]

Looks like Rivers wants Fout's record in SD for yards in a season.

[jauble]

Garcon?????


So open

[spoon]

Garcon?????


So open

You mean like Washington there?

Oh wait, he caught it.

[epo]

That's the Jay Cutler I know and love.

[Ritalin]

That's a horrible pick.

[Dell]

Rivers, get Norv's head out of your ass and score me some points...

[spoon]

They swept their division and didn't make the playoffs. That's weird.

And the Patriots own their first round draft pick.

Add to that they'll probably finish in 3rd out of 4 in said division. That's Raider football right there! :devil2:

[spoon]

That's the Jay Cutler I know and love.

What did he do? Skip dessert?

[jauble]

You mean like Washington there?

Oh wait, he caught it.

Somewhat redeemed.

[Crispy123]

Come on Jax, WTF?!?!?

[epo]

What did he do? Skip dessert?

That's impossible.

INT in the red zone.

[Ritalin]

Stout!

[Ritalin]

Now kick it to Hester.

[Dell]

Redskins are ripping my heart out...

I hope they fire Shanahan and his classless daddy...

[Ritalin]

This is a pretty shitty game, overall.

How is Lovie going to explain that TO?

[epo]

This is a pretty shitty game, overall.

How is Lovie going to explain that TO?

He wanted Erik Walden to have a chance at another sack.

[Ritalin]

He wanted Erik Walden to have a chance at another sack.

That's a good an explanation as any.

His answer will definitely begin with the word "well".

[jauble]

Big stop...Indy needs to put some points up here.

[spoon]

I still don't see how the Packers didn't go out and make a move for a decent RB out there. They have Rodgers and that D for crying out loud, what are you waiting for? They have just about every piece, imagine if their TE and RB didn't go down early...

sorry eps

[spoon]

does anyone outside of chicago fans actually believe the Bears will do anything?

[Ritalin]

Game.

[spoon]

I know it's Arizona, but guess who was the difference in SF getting that O going?

Man was he a bad coach.

[Ritalin]

does anyone outside of chicago fans actually believe the Bears will do anything?

Good. Nothing better than a "nobody believes in us outside this room" mentality.

They have as good a shot as anybody. A bye and a home game? I'll take it and take my chances. Plus, I don't think the Bears are using the whole offensive playbook. Why would they?

[Crispy123]

Great. Jacksonville's season is done.

[jauble]

Great. Jacksonville's season is done.

I'm hoping for it Tennessee is playing pretty tough right now and the Colts have been making some poor decisions offensively.

[Ritalin]

That 75 is having his troubles.

[Ritalin]

Cmon Devin

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm hoping for it Tennessee is playing pretty tough right now and the Colts have been making some poor decisions offensively.

Even if the Colts make the playoffs, I see them being an early exit.

[epo]

Big sack by Woodson Island.

[Dell]

my comeback would be complete if Rivers would only help a little...he barely has more points than Vick this week...

[jauble]

Even if the Colts make the playoffs, I see them being an early exit.

Good. Nothing better than a "nobody believes in us outside this room" mentality.

Yep

[Ritalin]

Big sack by Woodson Island.

Woodson Island? That's funny.

[Ritalin]

Bears not out of this game. A classic "dont let a team hang around" situation

[Ritalin]

Epo was just thinking the same thing.

[Ritalin]

Keep selling out on the blitz, Pack.

[underdog]

Jack del Rio needs to be fired immediately.

[Ritalin]

Two down territory, obviously.

[underdog]

And hello Jay Cutler.

[Ritalin]

Damn it. Oh well.

[Snacks]

I hope Indy can pull this out. I would rather them be the 3rd seed and play the Jets. If they lose they will be the 4th seed and play Balt!

[jauble]

Thanks Houston.

Rhodes puts the ball on the ground.


Jeebus.

[epo]

Classic Cutler!

[jauble]

Jeebus again!

[razorboy]

Fuck you Cutler, you fat retarded manbaby.

[epo]

Good. Nothing better than a "nobody believes in us outside this room" mentality.

They have as good a shot as anybody. A bye and a home game? I'll take it and take my chances. Plus, I don't think the Bears are using the whole offensive playbook. Why would they?

Nobody believes in the Bears because they have Jay Cutler.

[jauble]

Bring on the jets

[Snacks]

I want to see the Colts and Ravens win next week. The following week would then be Indy vs Pitt and NE vs Balt!

As for the NFC GB vs Philly next week will be a great game. I think Philly will lose again like they did game 1 of the season. They better hope Vick is ready b/c Kolb looked like shit today! He might have had 35 ints if he started all season not 35 tds!

The Saints should beat whoever they play STL or Sea!

Bring on the playoffs!

[jauble]

Beating Rex and the Jets will be no small feet, but I think the Colts are up to it.

[spoon]

Yep

nope

lose at home and out

write it on a rock, they SUCK!

[jauble]

Epomania still lives on.

Brett Favre was Fox's player of the week.

[epo]

As for the NFC GB vs Philly next week will be a great game. I think Philly will lose again like they did game 1 of the season. They better hope Vick is ready b/c Kolb looked like shit today! He might have had 35 ints if he started all season not 35 tds!


Its very simple....If Vick plays, the Eagles likely win. If Kolb starts, GB wins in Philly.

[TheGameHHH]

im excited for next week's games

[Justice4all]

im excited for next week's games

I'm excited for ANY playoff football.

I am rooting for St. Louis right now. I hope they make it in.

[Ritalin]

Nobody believes in the Bears because they have Jay Cutler.

Ok. No real offensive line, no real receivers to speak of - certainly no number one - and a brand new offensive coordinator and he goes 11-5.

But he blows.

Sure.

[keithy_19]

Folks, we are watching the next superbowl.

[foodcourtdruide]

Ok. No real offensive line, no real receivers to speak of - certainly no number one - and a brand new offensive coordinator and he goes 11-5.

But he blows.

Sure.

Knox, Olson, Forte and Hester aren't TERRIBLE, not great though.

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's your playoff schedule:

On Saturday, January 8, the Saints will play at tonight’s Rams-Seahawks winner at 4:30 p.m. Eastern, followed by the Jets at the Colts at 8 p.m. Both games will be on NBC.

On Sunday, January 9, the Ravens will play at the Chiefs at 1 p.m. on CBS and the Packers will play at the Eagles at 4:30 p.m. on FOX.

On Saturday, January 15, the highest-seeded team among the Colts, Chiefs and Ravens will play at Pittsburgh at 4:30 p.m. on CBS. The lowest-seeded team among the Rams, Seahawks, Saints and Packers will play at Atlanta at 8 p.m. on FOX.

On Sunday, January 16, the remaining NFC team (Eagles, Rams, Seahawks or Saints) will play at Chicago at 1 p.m. on FOX. The remaining AFC team (Chiefs, Ravens or Jets) will play at New England at 4:30 p.m. on CBS.

The NFC Championship Game will take place on Sunday, January 23, at 3 p.m. on FOX. The AFC Championship Game will be at 6:30 p.m. on CBS.

The Pro Bowl will be played on Sunday, January 30 at 7 p.m. on FOX. Super Bowl XLV takes place Sunday, February 6 at 6:30 p.m. on FOX.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/02/nfl-playoff-schedule-for-2011-announced/

[Snoogans]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/06/03/alg_dungy.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fObSStlFSGg/STdFU0ZG78I/AAAAAAAAC_g/7aU-KFoqrGw/s200/bald-bull.png

[keithy_19]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/06/03/alg_dungy.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fObSStlFSGg/STdFU0ZG78I/AAAAAAAAC_g/7aU-KFoqrGw/s200/bald-bull.png

:lol:

[TheGameHHH]

who's excited for the Pro Bowl baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone??????

[newport king]

i'd take the pro bowl over this shit im watching.

[TripleSkeet]

Its very simple....If Vick plays, the Eagles likely win. If Kolb starts, GB wins in Philly.

I hope youre right because I dont see Vick missing that game.

HA!

I'm still not sure how KC did it, but man they got TROUNCED by both divisional opponents to end the year. Fuck you Turner. In case I haven't said that recently.

Oh and TS, nice first round of game picks. You're right back in this.

Thanks. 8 for 8. I couldnt believe it. I cant believe Philly lost that game. I had Dallas too, but switched it when I saw they werent going to have a spread for the game.

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's how the playoffs will go. You can lock this the hell up too:

Wild Card Round:

1. Saints over either the Rams or Seahawks

2. Colts over Jets

3. Ravens over Chiefs

4. Eagles over Packers

Divisional Round:

1. Steelers over Colts

2. Falcons over Saints (that'll be in Atlanta, and I don't think the Saints can beat the Falcons there again)

3. Eagles over Bears

4. Patriots over Ravens

NFC Championship:

Eagles over Falcons

AFC Championship:

Patriots over Steelers

Super Bowl:

Patriots over Eagles

[newport king]

Charlie Whitehurst is an NFL qb. and i believe i heard Collinsworth mention he got paid 10mil for 2 years in SD...wow.

[spoon]

No he certainly did not. Come on man, really?

[epo]

No he certainly did not. Come on man, really?

I believe he got a contract when traded to Seattle. San Diego didn't pay him shit.

[TripleSkeet]

Here's how the playoffs will go. You can lock this the hell up too:

Wild Card Round:

1. Saints over either the Rams or Seahawks

2. Colts over Jets

3. Ravens over Chiefs

4. Eagles over Packers

Divisional Round:

1. Steelers over Colts

2. Falcons over Saints (that'll be in Atlanta, and I don't think the Saints can beat the Falcons there again)

3. Eagles over Bears

4. Patriots over Ravens

NFC Championship:

Eagles over Falcons

AFC Championship:

Patriots over Steelers

Super Bowl:

Patriots over Eagles

I can easily see that happening. As an Eagles fan the game I think would give them the most problems would be Chicago just because it would be in Chicago and considering the way they let that field look last game I would think in the playoffs it might look like the Everglades.

[newport king]

i could have swore i heard him say it in the beginning of the game

[spoon]

If he did, he's even more of an idiot than I thought. Whitehurst isn't even getting 10mill over 2 right now. It's 8

[newport king]

just looked it up, 2 years 8 mil from seattle. with 2 mil more in incentives.

[spoon]

Have to hold them here or it's real bad. Now they need a missed fg or a turnover.

[newport king]

i think if hasselbeck comes back, they have a shot against new orleans...as shitty as they are, i see team after team have a tough time in the stadium.

[keithy_19]

i think if hasselbeck comes back, they have a shot against new orleans...as shitty as they are, i see team after team have a tough time in the stadium.

I see the Saints destroying either of these teams.

[jauble]

I see the Saints destroying either of these teams.

I still see the field opening up and swallowing both teams.

[epo]

I still see the field opening up and swallowing both teams.

I bet Keithy could write an interesting blog post about such an incident.

[keithy_19]

My god the receivers can't hold onto the ball.

[keithy_19]

I bet Keithy could write an interesting blog post about such an incident.

You think far too highly of me.

[TripleSkeet]

I bet Keithy could write an interesting blog post about such an incident.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[jauble]

7 and 9! 7 and 9! 7 and 9! 7 and 9!

boo

[underdog]

Whatever happened to Marc Bulger?

Are the Rams going to be good next year, or were people just surprised by them?

[PapaBear]

7 and 9! 7 and 9! 7 and 9! 7 and 9!

boo
I know they won the division, but it's just ridiculous that an 11-5 team has to travel to play a 7-9 team.

[keithy_19]

Whatever happened to Marc Bulger?

Are the Rams going to be good next year, or were people just surprised by them?

Bradford is a good QB. Seeing that he has some experience now, he could elevate them a bit.

And they're a young team all around. So with experience they're going to be good. Or at least better.

[Judge Smails]

I know they won the division, but it's just ridiculous that an 11-5 team has to travel to play a 7-9 team.

How about the 5 teams with better records that didn't even make it?

[keithy_19]

I know they won the division, but it's just ridiculous that an 11-5 team has to travel to play a 7-9 team.

Yeah. And let's be honest, they won a division full of misfits.

[epo]

How about the 5 teams with better records that didn't even make it?

Fuck that. There is no changing the rules because they don't like the way it worked out.

[keithy_19]

How about the 5 teams with better records that didn't even make it?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_01nIg59Y3T4/R0-dt1QouUI/AAAAAAAABO0/TfanlQKY8-Q/s1600-R/EliManning.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

Fuck that. There is no changing the rules because they don't like the way it worked out.

The only minor change I'd make is that while winning the division would get you into the playoffs, it wouldn't guarantee a seed. So you could still win the division and be the #6 seed and have to travel.

[jauble]

The only minor change I'd make is that while winning the division would get you into the playoffs, it wouldn't guarantee a seed. So you could still win the division and be the #6 seed and have to travel.

Yep

[underdog]

BRETTFAVRE says that's it. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5981171)

Bradford is a good QB. Seeing that he has some experience now, he could elevate them a bit.

And they're a young team all around. So with experience they're going to be good. Or at least better.

He was also missing his #1 receiver all year. I'm interested to see how they do next year.

The only minor change I'd make is that while winning the division would get you into the playoffs, it wouldn't guarantee a seed. So you could still win the division and be the #6 seed and have to travel.

Yeah, I agree with this. They shouldn't get an automatic home game.

I think the NBA went through the exact same thing a couple years ago and changed their rules.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The only minor change I'd make is that while winning the division would get you into the playoffs, it wouldn't guarantee a seed. So you could still win the division and be the #6 seed and have to travel.

Agreed. Having a guaranteed seed for winning the division is stupid, especially since the Chiefs and Colts will be hosting teams with better records than them.

[epo]

Agreed. Having a guaranteed seed for winning the division is stupid, especially since the Chiefs and Colts will be hosting teams with better records than them.

Fuck that. Everyone should stop crying about teams winning their divisions.

[underdog]

Fuck that. Everyone should stop crying about teams winning their divisions.

the divisions are bullshit. The Raiders went 6-0 in their division, but didn't make the playoffs.

A record that would make more sense in choosing who hosts the game is inter-conference record.

[jauble]

Agreed. Having a guaranteed seed for winning the division is stupid, especially since the Chiefs and Colts will be hosting teams with better records than them.

Again I agree, the New Meadowlands deserves to have a Manning win a playoff game in the inaugural season.

[epo]

I'm sorry ladies, I didn't realize that the rules all the teams agreed to weren't good enough for you.

Maybe you need orange slices and participation medals for all the players too?

[newport king]

I bet Keithy could write an interesting blog post about such an incident.

yeah but nobody would see it. the kid still doesn't understand that naked chicks bring traffic.

[Snoogans]

I'm sorry ladies, I didn't realize that the rules all the teams agreed to weren't good enough for you.

Maybe you need orange slices and participation medals for all the players too?

based on our theory, i guess that means you enjoy giving rewards to losers

[keithy_19]

yeah but nobody would see it. the kid still doesn't understand that naked chicks bring traffic.

:sad:

[spoon]

the divisions are bullshit. The Raiders went 6-0 in their division, but didn't make the playoffs.

A record that would make more sense in choosing who hosts the game is inter-conference record.

I'm sorry ladies, I didn't realize that the rules all the teams agreed to weren't good enough for you.

Maybe you need orange slices and participation medals for all the players too?

I do agree with Epo here, as only the Raiders could SWEEP it's division and barely get to .500. It's a good format and this happened ONCE bc Warner retired. All will be better next year when nobody makes the playoffs.

[keithy_19]

I do agree with Epo here, as only the Raiders could SWEEP it's division and barely get to .500. It's a good format and this happened ONCE bc Warner retired. All will be better next year when nobody makes the playoffs.

:sad:

[underdog]

I'm sorry ladies, I didn't realize that the rules all the teams agreed to weren't good enough for you.

Maybe you need orange slices and participation medals for all the players too?

What?

I don't think anything about it is "unfair", I think it's retarded that a 7-9 team can make and host a playoff game, only because they play in what would be considered the "Big 10" of the NFL.

[Philly Franko]

What?

I don't think anything about it is "unfair", I think it's retarded that a 7-9 team can make and host a playoff game, only because they play in what would be considered the "Big 10" of the NFL.

Big 10...more like the Little 4...

[Philly Franko]

Big 10...more like the Little 4...

What if they beat Nawlins and go to 8-9 ? That Seattle team has the 12th Man and Hasselbeck may be able to play...What if Seattle wins the Superbowl...is it Unfair then...was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor ?

[Philly Franko]

Oh and sorry Giants Fans...you went from 2 plays away from wining the NFC East to 2 weeks later and OUT of the Playoffs...Sorry G fans...

[foodcourtdruide]

Wild Card Round:

1. Saints over Seahawks

2. Colts over Jets

3. Ravens over Chiefs

4. Packers over Eagles

Divisional Round:

1. Steelers over Colts

2. Falcons over Saints

3. Bears over Packers

4. Patriots over Ravens

NFC Championship:

Falcons over Bears

AFC Championship:

Patriots over Steelers

Super Bowl:

Falcons over Patriots

I think my predictions, as with all predictions, are useless though. I could see the Colts making it pretty far too, and honestly I think the NFC is wide open so I wouldn't be shocked if there was a crazy Seahawks run. I see the Eagles, Jets and Packers just waiting to shit the bed.

[KnoxHarrington]

Mangenius...FIRED

The Cleveland Browns have fired coach Eric Mangini following a second straight 5-11 season that ended with a humiliating home loss to the rival Pittsburgh Steelers.
He was dismissed during a Monday morning meeting with team president Mike Holmgren. The club announced his dismissal in a statement.
Mangini went just 10-22 with the Browns and finished his second season with a four-game losing streak. Cleveland went 2-6 following an upset of NFL heavyweight New England on Nov. 7 - a victory that seemed like a turning point. Instead, it only triggered a slide.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/03/browns-fire-eric-mangini.ap/index.html#ixzz19zFjJipq

I think a lot of heads are going to be rolling in the next few days.

[foodcourtdruide]

Mangenius...FIRED



I think a lot of heads are going to be rolling in the next few days.

There is just no way Marvin Lewis keeps his job.

[KnoxHarrington]

There is just no way Marvin Lewis keeps his job.

Yeah, he's definitely gone. John Fox in Carolina is also so, so fired too. I'm not sure what's going to happen with Jeff Fisher in Tennessee, but my guess is that he's fired too.

I heard somewhere that Gary Kubiak in Houston is safe for now, but that franchise just looks like it's not going anywhere.

I'm not sure if Jerry Jones will keep Jason Garrett in Dallas. My guess is that he will unless he can land a huge name like Cowher. The Cowboys did show signs of improvement under him, though.

To me, a wild card in this is Oakland. Given the improvement the Raiders showed this season, you'd think it would be obvious that Cable would stay, but we are talking about Al Davis here. He might get the idea that the coach is holding this team back and fire Cable anyway. It's hard to say.

[Snacks]

Yeah, he's definitely gone. John Fox in Carolina is also so, so fired too. I'm not sure what's going to happen with Jeff Fisher in Tennessee, but my guess is that he's fired too.

I heard somewhere that Gary Kubiak in Houston is safe for now, but that franchise just looks like it's not going anywhere.

I'm not sure if Jerry Jones will keep Jason Garrett in Dallas. My guess is that he will unless he can land a huge name like Cowher. The Cowboys did show signs of improvement under him, though.

To me, a wild card in this is Oakland. Given the improvement the Raiders showed this season, you'd think it would be obvious that Cable would stay, but we are talking about Al Davis here. He might get the idea that the coach is holding this team back and fire Cable anyway. It's hard to say.

reports that came out on cbs sports are cable will be fired, garrett will be hired, fraizer will also be hired by minn!

to me kubiak is marvin lewis, a team with a ton of talent and every year looks like a poorly coached team. neither of them deserve to keep their jobs.

[KnoxHarrington]

reports that came out on cbs sports are cable will be fired, garrett will be hired, fraizer will also be hired by minn!

to me kubiak is marvin lewis, a team with a ton of talent and every year looks like a poorly coached team. neither of them deserve to keep their jobs.

Looks like Jack Del Rio might be done with the Jacksonville Jaguars too.

[Justice4all]

Looks like Jack Del Rio might be done with the Jacksonville Jaguars too.

Between all the on-season firings and now the purge at the end of the season this MUST be a record for coaching changes in the NFL for one year.

[underdog]

Yeah, he's definitely gone. John Fox in Carolina is also so, so fired too. I'm not sure what's going to happen with Jeff Fisher in Tennessee, but my guess is that he's fired too.

I heard somewhere that Gary Kubiak in Houston is safe for now, but that franchise just looks like it's not going anywhere.

I'm not sure if Jerry Jones will keep Jason Garrett in Dallas. My guess is that he will unless he can land a huge name like Cowher. The Cowboys did show signs of improvement under him, though.

To me, a wild card in this is Oakland. Given the improvement the Raiders showed this season, you'd think it would be obvious that Cable would stay, but we are talking about Al Davis here. He might get the idea that the coach is holding this team back and fire Cable anyway. It's hard to say.

Kubiak is supposedly staying, with Wade Phillips being hired as an assistant.

And John Fox was already fired, prior to their last game. His whole staff is gone, too.

Looks like Jack Del Rio might be done with the Jacksonville Jaguars too.

del rio needs to go. Yesterday's game was an embarrassment, with the playoffs on the line like that.

[spoon]

Yeah, he's definitely gone. John Fox in Carolina is also so, so fired too. I'm not sure what's going to happen with Jeff Fisher in Tennessee, but my guess is that he's fired too.

I heard somewhere that Gary Kubiak in Houston is safe for now, but that franchise just looks like it's not going anywhere.

I'm not sure if Jerry Jones will keep Jason Garrett in Dallas. My guess is that he will unless he can land a huge name like Cowher. The Cowboys did show signs of improvement under him, though.

To me, a wild card in this is Oakland. Given the improvement the Raiders showed this season, you'd think it would be obvious that Cable would stay, but we are talking about Al Davis here. He might get the idea that the coach is holding this team back and fire Cable anyway. It's hard to say.

I'm pretty sure Fox is walking away (not fired). It's being allowed out of respect and I like the move. At least that's what I heard.

Cable is staying, I'm not convinced Al is now calling all the shots in Oakland (hence last year's draft and season).

Fisher is indeed a huge question mark and coveted by Jerry Jones if the Titan's owner & GM go with Young over Fisher. To me, a HUGE mistake.

Kubiak should go, but if not they better get a new D coordinator yesterday! Holy shit that team can't stop anything.

Garrett would normally be safe in Dallas after that year, but you know Jerry wants a top flight coach NOW. If he can get Cowher or Fisher, Garrett will be done as head coach. Question is, will he stay in Dallas? I'm sure he won't be fired like Wade, but he may want to move on if not in control, but that's a lot of money for an OC to walk away from. My guess is he stays on for a year and gets another HC job. I'd take him right now over Turner. Fuck, I'd take almost everyone in this conversation over Turner (not Fox bc the game has passed him by).

[underdog]

From the twitter land :

McClain_on_NFL John McClain
by AdamSchefter
Bob McNair just made it official: Gary Kubiak will return for a sixth season.

mortreport Chris Mortensen
by AdamSchefter
All looks solid for Del Rio

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Vikings and Leslie Frazier have reached an agreement that will remove the interim tag from Frazier’s title.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Now comes time for coordinator moves, too: Houston fired its defensive coordintor Frank Bush.

[TripleSkeet]

Between all the on-season firings and now the purge at the end of the season this MUST be a record for coaching changes in the NFL for one year.

Some of these coaches wouldve been fired last year if there wasnt the possibility of a lockout after this season.

[epo]

This new Favre texting story isn't surprising. Especially the manner in which the Jets organization again looks totally fucking classless.

[underdog]

Partially good news, spoonyboy :

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Chargers special teams coach Steve Crosby’s contract will not be renewed for the 2011 season, team announced.

[cougarjake13]

Oh and sorry Giants Fans...you went from 2 plays away from wining the NFC East to 2 weeks later and OUT of the Playoffs...Sorry G fans...

dont worry you'll be with us in six days

[cougarjake13]

Wild Card Round:

1. Saints over Seahawks

2. Colts over Jets

3. Ravens over Chiefs

4. Packers over Eagles

Divisional Round:

1. Steelers over Colts

2. Falcons over Saints

3. Bears over Packers

4. Patriots over Ravens

NFC Championship:

Falcons over Bears

AFC Championship:

Patriots over Steelers

Super Bowl:

Falcons over Patriots

I think my predictions, as with all predictions, are useless though. I could see the Colts making it pretty far too, and honestly I think the NFC is wide open so I wouldn't be shocked if there was a crazy Seahawks run. I see the Eagles, Jets and Packers just waiting to shit the bed.


also based on your picks the packers would play the falcons and saints would play bears

[cougarjake13]

This new Favre texting story isn't surprising. Especially the manner in which the Jets organization again looks totally fucking classless.

another one ??

[spoon]

Partially good news, spoonyboy :

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Chargers special teams coach Steve Crosby’s contract will not be renewed for the 2011 season, team announced.

:wub::clap:

hey Crosby...:bye:

[spoon]

oh and it's MAN you bizatch!

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[Tenbatsuzen]

This new Favre texting story isn't surprising. Especially the manner in which the Jets organization again looks totally fucking classless.

The masseuses? That shit came out with the original Sterger story.

[Snoogans]

The masseuses? That shit came out with the original Sterger story.

that might be when it came out, but today was the day those masseuses filed lawsuits in federal court against favre and the New York Jets.

Stay Classy, NYJ

[epo]

that might be when it came out, but today was the day those masseuses filed lawsuits in federal court against favre and the New York Jets.

Stay Classy, NYJ

Its a quality organization.

Seriously, its like Goodell condones their shit too.

[spoon]

Its a quality organization.

Seriously, its like Goodell condones their shit too.

Maybe he has a foot fetish.

[Snoogans]

Its a quality organization.

Seriously, its like Goodell condones their shit too.

Maybe he has a foot fetish.

me and epo have a theory for goodells random punishment scales. Anything he punishes too harshly he doesnt do himself. So he doesnt like to rape college chicks or hit people in the head.

And anything he doesnt punish like he should we assume he enjoys himself. So ole Roger enjoys drunk driving, vehicular manslaughter, leaving NFL employees sexually harrassing voicemails and texting his cock to women without them wanting it. Oh yea, and he does steroids and other rec drugs.

[Tenbatsuzen]

that might be when it came out, but today was the day those masseuses filed lawsuits in federal court against favre and the New York Jets.

Stay Classy, NYJ

Just read the lawsuit, or still going through it. Putting my HR cap, here's the issue:

1) The masseuse being harrassed had her husband call Farve telling him to knock it off. That's issue 1. They should have gone through the Jets if they really intended to go through with it. They actually tried to handle it like real people do, though.

2) The lawsuit mentions Sainz. Who herself said she was not sexually harrassed.

3) As the massage coordinator said for the Jets, "it would have be handled internally and holding on to text messages for 2 years, I question your intentions".

BINGO. The Tiger Woods Text Message effect. They wanna get paid.

The suit also mentions the therapists never worked for the Jets after 2008.

Then after the text messages surfaced when the Sterger thing blew up, the suit says again they never worked for the Jets after the Massage coordinator said "you'll never work for the Jets again".

So how is it going through on a threat if you haven't worked there for 2 years?

The lawsuit is also submitting the Jets swimsuit calendar as evidence of sexual harassment.

It's a fucking joke.

[Snoogans]

Just read the lawsuit, or still going through it. Putting my HR cap, here's the issue:

1) The masseuse being harrassed had her husband call Farve telling him to knock it off. That's issue 1. They should have gone through the Jets if they really intended to go through with it. They actually tried to handle it like real people do, though.

2) The lawsuit mentions Sainz. Who herself said she was not sexually harrassed.

3) As the massage coordinator said for the Jets, "it would have be handled internally and holding on to text messages for 2 years, I question your intentions".

BINGO. The Tiger Woods Text Message effect. They wanna get paid.

The suit also mentions the therapists never worked for the Jets after 2008.

Then after the text messages surfaced when the Sterger thing blew up, the suit says again they never worked for the Jets after the Massage coordinator said "you'll never work for the Jets again".

So how is it going through on a threat if you haven't worked there for 2 years?

The lawsuit is also submitting the Jets swimsuit calendar as evidence of sexual harassment.

It's a fucking joke.
joke or not, its gonna cost the jets. Even if they win and dont settle, thats a TON in legal and shit. And regardless, take off your "HR cap" (fag), and put on your "PR cap". The jets dont need this shit. Everyone already knows they are scum. They are gonna settle this out of court, pay off these bitches, and still look like scumbags

[spoon]

you have a shitload of hats

[epo]

joke or not, its gonna cost the jets. Even if they win and dont settle, thats a TON in legal and shit. And regardless, take off your "HR cap" (fag), and put on your "PR cap". The jets dont need this shit. Everyone already knows they are scum. They are gonna settle this out of court, pay off these bitches, and still look like scumbags

Seriously...its like a weekly off-the-field problem for the Jets this week. They aren't just a HR/PR nightmare...they are a fucking trainwreck of an organization.

[Snoogans]

Seriously...its like a weekly off-the-field problem for the Jets this week. They aren't just a HR/PR nightmare...they are a fucking trainwreck of an organization.

it starts at the top. And I dont mean Rex, I mean Woody. Its sad to say, but the guy didnt even have a fuckin clue what his daughter was doin, how the fuck is he gonna control a team full of dickheads and convicts? But he signed off on every move, so it all goes back to him.

[spoon]

Seriously...its like a weekly off-the-field problem for the Jets this week. They aren't just a HR/PR nightmare...they are a fucking trainwreck of an organization.

Now I'm just waiting until this guy goes down for touching kids in the Meadowland's bathroom to a P-E-D-S PEDS PEDS PEDS chant while being led away in cuffs.

Fuck that Giant fan for dropping simple assault charges. I can't stand that fuck.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/04/08/alg_jets_fireman-ed.jpg

[spoon]

Good news though, I found his replacement and Woody already signed off on it.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6HbWEA8ojJy80M:http://arrowheadaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/favre_jet.jpg&t=1

[Snoogans]

Now I'm just waiting until this guy goes down for touching kids in the Meadowland's bathroom to a P-E-D-S PEDS PEDS PEDS chant while being led away in cuffs.

Fuck that Giant fan for dropping simple assault charges. I can't stand that fuck.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/04/08/alg_jets_fireman-ed.jpg

goddamn that chant is hilarious


dont even get me started on this guy. He doesnt even give a fuck about the jets anymore. He just wants people to know who he is.

[spoon]

I heard him on the WFAN a few years back when Beningo got him to admit he was originally a Miami Dolphin fan! So you have that going for you Snacks! :lol:

[Snoogans]

I heard him on the WFAN a few years back when Beningo got him to admit he was originally a Miami Dolphin fan! So you have that going for you Snacks! :lol:

he probably stopped being a fan when he realized this guy got their mascot back:
http://thecia.com.au/reviews/a/images/ace-ventura-pet-detective-8.jpg


on a serious note, changing teams you are a fan of is bad enough. how the FUCK do you go from dolphins to the jets? Thats just some shameful shit

[epo]

me and epo have a theory for goodells random punishment scales. Anything he punishes too harshly he doesnt do himself. So he doesnt like to rape college chicks or hit people in the head.

And anything he doesnt punish like he should we assume he enjoys himself. So ole Roger enjoys drunk driving, vehicular manslaughter, leaving NFL employees sexually harrassing voicemails and texting his cock to women without them wanting it. Oh yea, and he does steroids and other rec drugs.

And he hates the Purple Drank.

Son of a bitch.

[Snoogans]

And he hates the Purple Drank.

Son of a bitch.

that cracks me up too. How dare you drink purple drank which is made from codeine. Fuck that, sprain your ankle and eat these percosets instead

[epo]

that cracks me up too. How dare you drink purple drank which is made from codeine. Fuck that, sprain your ankle and eat these percosets instead

Don't ever doubt the random rules of this commissioner!

[Tenbatsuzen]

You know what? This whole suit is based on two text messages of Favre flirting with a woman. It's possible he didn't know she was married. Why did she sit on it for two years? She wants to get paid.

What Favre did to Sterger was over the top. But I think this is just a meritless lawsuit. They are probably going to get paid, but the fact they didn't go through official channels speaks volumes. They'll get next to nothing.

[Snacks]

I heard him on the WFAN a few years back when Beningo got him to admit he was originally a Miami Dolphin fan! So you have that going for you Snacks! :lol:

great, I cant stand that annoying asshole.

[Snacks]

he probably stopped being a fan when he realized this guy got their mascot back:
http://thecia.com.au/reviews/a/images/ace-ventura-pet-detective-8.jpg


on a serious note, changing teams you are a fan of is bad enough. how the FUCK do you go from dolphins to the jets? Thats just some shameful shit

I understand it a little. when i was real young i always bounced around when it came to baseball. I was a yankee fan when i was real young, then rooted for the mets then back to the yanks and now i dont like 1 team anymore then the other. I actually rooted for the Sox in 2004 and now I say im just a fan of players and not really a fan of teams.

When it came to baseball I never kept my loyalty. Now for football I love the Dolphins and have not changed since Jan 1983 when they played in the SB against Wash. Basketball I have loved the Nets since the mid 80s.

[epo]

You know what? This whole suit is based on two text messages of Favre flirting with a woman. It's possible he didn't know she was married. Why did she sit on it for two years? She wants to get paid.

What Favre did to Sterger was over the top. But I think this is just a meritless lawsuit. They are probably going to get paid, but the fact they didn't go through official channels speaks volumes. They'll get next to nothing.

Why are you defending that classless organization? Personally I would want whatever is going on in my team's organization fixed. Until they fix their classless culture, this trend of problems isn't going to stop.

[Justice4all]

You know what? This whole suit is based on two text messages of Favre flirting with a woman. It's possible he didn't know she was married. Why did she sit on it for two years? She wants to get paid.

What Favre did to Sterger was over the top. But I think this is just a meritless lawsuit. They are probably going to get paid, but the fact they didn't go through official channels speaks volumes. They'll get next to nothing.

It doesn't matter that she is married because HE is.
That's the whole point of it all. Here's this future HOF Qb and he's sending pics of his junk to people other then his wife.
His douche-baggery knows no bounds.

[Justice4all]

. I actually rooted for the Sox in 2004



You're dead to me.

[Justice4all]

Some of these coaches wouldve been fired last year if there wasnt the possibility of a lockout after this season.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda....this may be true but the fact remains that is all came down THIS year. And my questions remains...is this the most coaches to be fired from start of the season to before the SB in one year? I would think so.

[underdog]

me and epo have a theory for goodells random punishment scales. Anything he punishes too harshly he doesnt do himself. So he doesnt like to rape college chicks or hit people in the head.

And anything he doesnt punish like he should we assume he enjoys himself. So ole Roger enjoys drunk driving, vehicular manslaughter, leaving NFL employees sexually harrassing voicemails and texting his cock to women without them wanting it. Oh yea, and he does steroids and other rec drugs.

you and epo really should talk about more interesting things when you're blowing each other.

you have a shitload of hats

This made me laugh very hard for some reason.

Seriously...its like a weekly off-the-field problem for the Jets this week. They aren't just a HR/PR nightmare...they are a fucking trainwreck of an organization.

They're a NJ based team. It's like being surprised that a retard keeps being retarded. The Cake Boss has the highest IQ of all of them! They can't even pump their own gas! Of course this shit happens.

[Snacks]

you and epo really should talk about more interesting things when you're blowing each other.



This made me laugh very hard for some reason.



They're a NJ based team. It's like being surprised that a retard keeps being retarded. The Cake Boss has the highest IQ of all of them! They can't even pump their own gas! Of course this shit happens.

hey hey hey no bashing us jersey people.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why are you defending that classless organization? Personally I would want whatever is going on in my team's organization fixed. Until they fix their classless culture, this trend of problems isn't going to stop.

Because The Jets organization was never involved in this. It's not like some coverup. Favre texted the massage girl, but the massage girl never reported it. The Jets first caught wind of the situation when the Sterger thing broke and then the massage girls came forward. The massage girls apparently did not cooperate with the NFL when the Sterger investigation was happening, a fact conveniently glossed over in the lawsuit.

The "problem in the organization" was fixed when Favre left the team.

What other problems has there been with the Jets team?

1) Rex has a dirty mouth. BIG WHOOP, IT'S FOOTBALL.

2) Braylon goes DUI. That is inexcusable, but that's a personal issue, not an organizational one.

3) Alosi: They hung him out to dry. That is indefensable. Making the wall was one thing; but the trip was stupid.

4) The Foot Fetish stuff: Two adults having fun. They deleted the videos when Rex began to rise up through the ranks, but that's bedroom stuff. It's embarrassing, but it's hardly organizational chaos. Someone was digging for dirt and the lesson learned is that stuff doesn't go away on the internet. Just because it's not your kink doesn't mean lack of organizational control. Fuckin' Belichick broke up a marriage. That to me is a lot worse, IMHO.

Stop acting like this is inmates running the asylum. Anything Favre-related with the Jets has NOTHING to do with the current Rex Ryan regime.

[epo]

Don't forget about the Head Coach of the team throwing passes in the direction of a female reporter, causing players to hoot & holler.

Face it, the head coach sets the tone for the team. Its not his just to be "one of the boys", rather to be the fucking boss. He's low-grade trash and his team represents him well.

[Snoogans]

you and epo really should talk about more interesting things when you're blowing each other.



This made me laugh very hard for some reason.



They're a NJ based team. It's like being surprised that a retard keeps being retarded. The Cake Boss has the highest IQ of all of them! They can't even pump their own gas! Of course this shit happens.

Cant? Sure as fuck we can. We CHOOSE not to. Cause we are better than everyone else, and we wanna create jobs

[Snoogans]

Because The Jets organization was never involved in this. It's not like some coverup. Favre texted the massage girl, but the massage girl never reported it. The Jets first caught wind of the situation when the Sterger thing broke and then the massage girls came forward. The massage girls apparently did not cooperate with the NFL when the Sterger investigation was happening, a fact conveniently glossed over in the lawsuit.

The "problem in the organization" was fixed when Favre left the team.

What other problems has there been with the Jets team?

1) Rex has a dirty mouth. BIG WHOOP, IT'S FOOTBALL.

2) Braylon goes DUI. That is inexcusable, but that's a personal issue, not an organizational one.

3) Alosi: They hung him out to dry. That is indefensable. Making the wall was one thing; but the trip was stupid.

4) The Foot Fetish stuff: Two adults having fun. They deleted the videos when Rex began to rise up through the ranks, but that's bedroom stuff. It's embarrassing, but it's hardly organizational chaos. Someone was digging for dirt and the lesson learned is that stuff doesn't go away on the internet. Just because it's not your kink doesn't mean lack of organizational control. Fuckin' Belichick broke up a marriage. That to me is a lot worse, IMHO.

Stop acting like this is inmates running the asylum. Anything Favre-related with the Jets has NOTHING to do with the current Rex Ryan regime.

this has nothing to do with the jets? How so, they were JETS employees. Do you not understand these are jets issues, cause the jets CHOOSE to employ these people? Is this a joke? And dont give me any alosi shit, he isnt fired yet cause the jets are fuckin liars and they all knew it was going on and if they fire him he will tell the media they knew. They are lying scum. How are you so blind? So Opie and Anthony didnt represent 102.7 with the church thing? Imus didnt represent WFAN with teh hoes thing? Are you retarded?

[Snacks]

Cant? Sure as fuck we can. We CHOOSE not to. Cause we are better than everyone else, and we wanna create jobs

and even without pumping our own gas its cheaper then places that people have to pump their own. so all you assholes smell like gas and pay more to do so. we sit in out warm cars in the winter and stay dry while you get wet and cold!

[spoon]

It doesn't matter that she is married because HE is.
That's the whole point of it all. Here's this future HOF Qb and he's sending pics of his junk to people other then his wife.
His douche-baggery knows no bounds.

Perhaps he's just a foot loving swinger like their new coach and wife!? It's not illegal but still comical to say the least.

[NickyL0885]

Don't forget about the Head Coach of the team throwing passes in the direction of a female reporter, causing players to hoot & holler.

Face it, the head coach sets the tone for the team. Its not his just to be "one of the boys", rather to be the fucking boss. He's low-grade trash and his team represents him well.

and I love the guy! He is a breath of fresh air. He's honest and doesn't care what he says. And his players will run through a wall for him. They polled NFL players this year and Rex came out on top for the coach they'd like to play for. I'm tired of coaches who speak and give nothing.

[spoon]

Because The Jets organization was never involved in this. It's not like some coverup. Favre texted the massage girl, but the massage girl never reported it. The Jets first caught wind of the situation when the Sterger thing broke and then the massage girls came forward. The massage girls apparently did not cooperate with the NFL when the Sterger investigation was happening, a fact conveniently glossed over in the lawsuit.

The "problem in the organization" was fixed when Favre left the team.

What other problems has there been with the Jets team?

1) Rex has a dirty mouth. BIG WHOOP, IT'S FOOTBALL.

2) Braylon goes DUI. That is inexcusable, but that's a personal issue, not an organizational one.

3) Alosi: They hung him out to dry. That is indefensable. Making the wall was one thing; but the trip was stupid.

4) The Foot Fetish stuff: Two adults having fun. They deleted the videos when Rex began to rise up through the ranks, but that's bedroom stuff. It's embarrassing, but it's hardly organizational chaos. Someone was digging for dirt and the lesson learned is that stuff doesn't go away on the internet. Just because it's not your kink doesn't mean lack of organizational control. Fuckin' Belichick broke up a marriage. That to me is a lot worse, IMHO.

Stop acting like this is inmates running the asylum. Anything Favre-related with the Jets has NOTHING to do with the current Rex Ryan regime.

That's not true, Woody made/okd these moves to pick up players (Farve, Holmes, Edwards). As someone mentioned, top down.

[spoon]

Cant? Sure as fuck we can. We CHOOSE not to. Cause we are better than everyone else, and we wanna create jobs

Not to mention we get it pumped, stay in the warmth of our car AND pay a shitload less then pretty much anywhere else. Yah, you win! I hate getting gas in PA when I visit family. I come back to my car FREEZING with a gas smelling hand.

[spoon]

and even without pumping our own gas its cheaper then places that people have to pump their own. so all you assholes smell like gas and pay more to do so. we sit in out warm cars in the winter and stay dry while you get wet and cold!

ha! just got here

nice

[ecobag2]

Cant? Sure as fuck we can. We CHOOSE not to. Cause we are better than everyone else, and we wanna create jobs

It really is like laughing at someone because he has someone else pick up after his dog for free.

In my area in PA (where I have the privlege of pumping my own) gas is also $.25 a gallon more expensive.

[Tenbatsuzen]

this has nothing to do with the jets? How so, they were JETS employees. Do you not understand these are jets issues, cause the jets CHOOSE to employ these people? Is this a joke? And dont give me any alosi shit, he isnt fired yet cause the jets are fuckin liars and they all knew it was going on and if they fire him he will tell the media they knew. They are lying scum. How are you so blind? So Opie and Anthony didnt represent 102.7 with the church thing? Imus didnt represent WFAN with teh hoes thing? Are you retarded?

Because the people who had control to fix the problem never even HEARD of the issue until Deadspin broke it. That's my point.

Sterger never said a word about this until Daulerio pushed her and then decided to break it himself.

The Massage Girls never said a word about this until Sterger came forward.

Again, this isn't a cycle of repeated behavior on the JETS - this is strictly on Favre's behavior. Do you think the Jets knew that Favre was some kind of creep poonhound when they brought him on board?

The Alosi thing, I know damn well why he wasn't fired, but that's on-field strategy that went horribly wrong.

The Favre thing, all of these problems are popping up 2 years after the Jets washed their hands of him.

The TEXTBOOK definition of sexual harassment is a cycle of repeated behavior of unwanted sexual advances that the employer does NOTHING to correct. The #1 tenet of sexual harassment at the workplace is to document and REPORT. The second part is very key. It's apparent that Sterger and the massage girls DOCUMENTED but they never REPORTED.

Even then, if this is just about two text messages of Favre misguidedly flirting, that makes for an EXTREMELY weak sexual harrassment case. If anything, this could be what happened:

1) Favre flirts with massage girl via text message.

2) Massage girl's husband calls Favre, flipping the fuck out.

3) Favre tells husband to go fuck off.

4) Favre tells Jets that some crazy massage girl's husband called him cursing him out. Jets decide to passively aggressively end the relationship by not hiring that particular contractor again. They have no idea that Favre was texting either the massage girls or Sterger.

Massage girls never brought it up to the Jets, never reached out, never said anything for two years, so the Jets had NO IDEA this was going on.

[spoon]

and I love the guy! He is a breath of fresh air. He's honest and doesn't care what he says. And his players will run through a wall for him. They polled NFL players this year and Rex came out on top for the coach they'd like to play for. I'm tired of coaches who speak and give nothing.

GOD I hate this line of reasoning, sorry nicky. It's just bullshit people say about assholes with no tact or class. It's one thing to say someone is interesting, but it's a whole other thing to call him a breath of fresh air bc he's a loud mouthed prick with nothing to back it up.

As for the poll, have you listened to the average player these days? Do you think they know what's best for themselves and team versus what they want so they can run the asylum? Rex and the organization lets everyone act like classless dicks, drive drunk, get kicked off planes, trip players/set up human walls, treat women like shit and be basic trash. I guess most players see that as appealing since they are all pretty much narcissistic assholes anyway. Well at least once they leave like Favre right Tbats?

Sorry, he's an asshole and at it again with the playoffs in front of us. Being a coach is supposed to be a position of leadership, not some dick loud mouth pest like Avery in the NHL.

[Snoogans]

Because the people who had control to fix the problem never even HEARD of the issue until Deadspin broke it. That's my point.

Sterger never said a word about this until Daulerio pushed her and then decided to break it himself.

The Massage Girls never said a word about this until Sterger came forward.

Again, this isn't a cycle of repeated behavior on the JETS - this is strictly on Favre's behavior. Do you think the Jets knew that Favre was some kind of creep poonhound when they brought him on board?

The Alosi thing, I know damn well why he wasn't fired, but that's on-field strategy that went horribly wrong.

The Favre thing, all of these problems are popping up 2 years after the Jets washed their hands of him.

The TEXTBOOK definition of sexual harassment is a cycle of repeated behavior of unwanted sexual advances that the employer does NOTHING to correct. The #1 tenet of sexual harassment at the workplace is to document and REPORT. The second part is very key. It's apparent that Sterger and the massage girls DOCUMENTED but they never REPORTED.

Even then, if this is just about two text messages of Favre misguidedly flirting, that makes for an EXTREMELY weak sexual harrassment case. If anything, this could be what happened:

1) Favre flirts with massage girl via text message.

2) Massage girl's husband calls Favre, flipping the fuck out.

3) Favre tells husband to go fuck off.

4) Favre tells Jets that some crazy massage girl's husband called him cursing him out. Jets decide to passively aggressively end the relationship by not hiring that particular contractor again. They have no idea that Favre was texting either the massage girls or Sterger.

Massage girls never brought it up to the Jets, never reached out, never said anything for two years, so the Jets had NO IDEA this was going on.

dude, are you joking? seriously? All these douches who are causing the problems work for the jets. it reflects more on the jets than the individual people. no one remembers the guy at enron who fucked everyone, they remember enron. No one is gonna remember who did what, just that it was all jets. If you really ever did PR and marketing, you should fuckin know this. THE JETS HIRED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DID THIS. IF NOTHING ELSE, IT REFLECTS ON THE TERRIBLE JUDGEMENT OF THE ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE TO EVEN EMPLOY THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE

YOU ARE SO FUCKIN WRONG ITS GODDAMN HILARIOUS. What is wrong with you, seriously?

and you act like the only black eyes on the org are favre. not edwards, , not any of the lying fuck coaches who clearly knew what was goin on, not any of the players who harrassed the reporter, and not any of the people who willingly hired these convicts and questionable people

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's not true, Woody made/okd these moves to pick up players (Farve, Holmes, Edwards). As someone mentioned, top down.

What does Holmes have to do with this? He was just smoking weed. Does RF.net have a character issue because Snoogans is here?

As for Favre, again, they didn't know he was a creep. Throwing INTs like a retarded Namath is easy to see. Creepy text messages, not so much.

With Edwards, they saw him as a cheap reclamation project. Sometimes they work (Cromartie, LDT) sometimes they bite the hand that feeds them.

[spoon]

Because the people who had control to fix the problem never even HEARD of the issue until Deadspin broke it. That's my point.

Sterger never said a word about this until Daulerio pushed her and then decided to break it himself.

The Massage Girls never said a word about this until Sterger came forward.

Again, this isn't a cycle of repeated behavior on the JETS - this is strictly on Favre's behavior. Do you think the Jets knew that Favre was some kind of creep poonhound when they brought him on board?

The Alosi thing, I know damn well why he wasn't fired, but that's on-field strategy that went horribly wrong.

The Favre thing, all of these problems are popping up 2 years after the Jets washed their hands of him.

The TEXTBOOK definition of sexual harassment is a cycle of repeated behavior of unwanted sexual advances that the employer does NOTHING to correct. The #1 tenet of sexual harassment at the workplace is to document and REPORT. The second part is very key. It's apparent that Sterger and the massage girls DOCUMENTED but they never REPORTED.

Even then, if this is just about two text messages of Favre misguidedly flirting, that makes for an EXTREMELY weak sexual harrassment case. If anything, this could be what happened:

1) Favre flirts with massage girl via text message.

2) Massage girl's husband calls Favre, flipping the fuck out.

3) Favre tells husband to go fuck off.

4) Favre tells Jets that some crazy massage girl's husband called him cursing him out. Jets decide to passively aggressively end the relationship by not hiring that particular contractor again. They have no idea that Favre was texting either the massage girls or Sterger.

Massage girls never brought it up to the Jets, never reached out, never said anything for two years, so the Jets had NO IDEA this was going on.

Are you wearing your Lawyer Hat right now?

[Snoogans]

What does Holmes have to do with this? He was just smoking weed. Does RF.net have a character issue because Snoogans is here?

As for Favre, again, they didn't know he was a creep. Throwing INTs like a retarded Namath is easy to see. Creepy text messages, not so much.

With Edwards, they saw him as a cheap reclamation project. Sometimes they work (Cromartie, LDT) sometimes they bite the hand that feeds them.

holmes is an example of the jets not giving a fuck about the character of the people they employ. then you wonder why individual jets keep making them look stupid

[Tenbatsuzen]

dude, are you joking? seriously? All these douches who are causing the problems work for the jets. it reflects more on the jets than the individual people. no one remembers the guy at enron who fucked everyone, they remember enron. No one is gonna remember who did what, just that it was all jets. If you really ever did PR and marketing, you should fuckin know this. THE JETS HIRED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DID THIS. IF NOTHING ELSE, IT REFLECTS ON THE TERRIBLE JUDGEMENT OF THE ORGANIZATION AS A WHOLE TO EVEN EMPLOY THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE

YOU ARE SO FUCKIN WRONG ITS GODDAMN HILARIOUS. What is wrong with you, seriously?

I'm not denying it's a PR nightmare. But remember with the Tiger Woods thing, we got tired of it after mistress #5 came out? These massage girls are like mistress #13.

Again, explain to me how it's the JETS fault that Sterger or the massage girls never reported these issues.

[PapaBear]

Are you wearing your Lawyer Hat right now?
Is it like the one Binder has? Or, is it Binder?

http://thisiswhatgrindsmygears.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/binder1.jpg?w=400&h=300

[Tenbatsuzen]

Are you wearing your Lawyer Hat right now?

Mattylock, Esq.

[Snoogans]

I'm not denying it's a PR nightmare. But remember with the Tiger Woods thing, we got tired of it after mistress #5 came out? These massage girls are like mistress #13.

Again, explain to me how it's the JETS fault that Sterger or the massage girls never reported these issues.

no, these massage girls are like mistress 3. The other stories, dui and all other shit not favre, are like if tiger woods had a male mistress, was on steroids, and shot someone at a club in a 3 month span

[Tenbatsuzen]

Is it like the one Binder has? Or, is it Binder?

http://thisiswhatgrindsmygears.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/binder1.jpg?w=400&h=300

Wait, someone call Gvac.

[weekapaugjz]

Are you wearing your Lawyer Hat right now?

:lol:

[Tenbatsuzen]

no, these massage girls are like mistress 3. The other stories, dui and all other shit not favre, are like if tiger woods had a male mistress, was on steroids, and shot someone at a club in a 3 month span

still didn't answer my question. Why is it the Jets fault that Sterger nor the massage girls ever reported this?

Do you notice that Sterger never mentioned making a legal action against the Jets? It was always getting legal action against Favre. Because as misguided as her legal quest has been, they know that because she didn't report the behavior, their case is weak.

If the behavior was reported in a timely fashion and the Jets did nothing, then I would agree with you 100% that the Jets are at fault.

[epo]

Wait, someone call Gvac.

Even Gvac was man enough to walk away from his childhood team, the Cincinnati Bengals, because the organization is so broken. Please keep defending those fucking losers.

[Snoogans]

still didn't answer my question. Why is it the Jets fault that Sterger nor the massage girls ever reported this?

Do you notice that Sterger never mentioned making a legal action against the Jets? It was always getting legal action against Favre. Because as misguided as her legal quest has been, they know that because she didn't report the behavior, their case is weak.

If the behavior was reported in a timely fashion and the Jets did nothing, then I would agree with you 100% that the Jets are at fault.

who the fuck cares why they didnt report it? they probably do just want money. that doesnt change the fact that the jets org is full of scumbags running around doing whatever they please and no one seems to give a fuck

[spoon]

What does Holmes have to do with this? He was just smoking weed. Does RF.net have a character issue because Snoogans is here?

As for Favre, again, they didn't know he was a creep. Throwing INTs like a retarded Namath is easy to see. Creepy text messages, not so much.

With Edwards, they saw him as a cheap reclamation project. Sometimes they work (Cromartie, LDT) sometimes they bite the hand that feeds them.

On Holmes, they didn't want him out of Pitt just bc of one incident, not to mention things like the flight disturbance have happened AFTER he was moved.

You don't remember him hitting a woman with a glass in a nightclub and telling others defending themselves to "kill urself". Or the other domestic abuse filings by the mother of his kid in the past? Yah, I guess you research your players like the Jet's front office does.

Also, Snoogans smokes pot on his own and isn't linked to an organization that HIRES HIM. He posts on a board, WAY DIFFERENT. WOW.

Next, even a retarded Favre throws less picks than Namath. Just look at their ratios.

Finally, LT was hardly a reclamation project in the sense of character issues that we are speaking on. One can argue he wasn't the physical player he once was, but hey he is over 30 in the NFL at the RB position. That much is to be expected. Now Cromartie, yah, he's just another example of great character moves by the organization at any cost. It's the same feel Oakland and Cincy had for years and it took both down so good luck in the future. I'm sure watching feet go up old lady cooch together will keep everyone in line at the Jet camp.

[spoon]

who the fuck cares why they didnt report it? they probably do just want money. that doesnt change the fact that the jets org is full of scumbags running around doing whatever they please and no one seems to give a fuck

That's a HUGE point too, they don't give a fuck about any of it. Every organization has shit like this at points but they deal with it respectfully and move on. The Jets deny, deflect, ignore and laugh. Classless as everyone here keeps pointing out.

[Snoogans]

also, lets not forget holmes was such a scumbag that a team he was a current pro bowler and super bowl hero didnt even want him back. and the jets jumped on gettin him for like 10% value. thats how good of a person holmes is. How can you not say the jets have a part in people being scumbags when they willingly bring in all these known scumbags


and holmes didnt just smoke weed, he also busted a fuckin champaigne glass on some chicks face in a fuckin bar. Yea defend that asshole

[spoon]

also, lets not forget holmes was such a scumbag that a team he was a current pro bowler and super bowl hero didnt even want him back. and the jets jumped on gettin him for like 10% value. thats how good of a person holmes is. How can you not say the jets have a part in people being scumbags when they willingly bring in all these known scumbags


and holmes didnt just smoke weed, he also busted a fuckin champaigne glass on some chicks face in a fuckin bar. Yea defend that asshole

don't forget the other part i mentioned above when he arrested for a second time on June 18, 2006 for domestic violence and assault in Columbus, Ohio against his baby's momma

of course she later wanted charges dropped and the prosecutor denied it only to later follow through on it bc he didn't have a case without her testimony

[Tenbatsuzen]

Epo, your team:

1) Employed Favre. So if everyone is saying that the Jets should have known about Favre's creeping, that makes the Packers just as guilty in this situation. Favre had a drug problem too.

2) Employed Chmura.

3) Employed Reggie White.

So if you want to keep railing about the Classless Jets, make sure your glass house is well protected.

[spoon]

Tenbats knew this information, at least some of it and exactly why I included Holmes. It's just his technique for noise in an argument and an attempt to dig out. Come on Matt, you know the Jets and the organization are garbage right? Just root for the Dolphins and be the reverse Fireman Ed so you and Snacks can go to the Meadowlands together and argue with Jet fans on organizational ranks and fan base numbers. Shit, even Marino was better than Namath, so you'd at least have that going for you. :lol:

[Snoogans]

Epo, your team:

1) Employed Favre. So if everyone is saying that the Jets should have known about Favre's creeping, that makes the Packers just as guilty in this situation. Favre had a drug problem too.

2) Employed Chmura.

3) Employed Reggie White.

So if you want to keep railing about the Classless Jets, make sure your glass house is well protected.

wasnt reggie whites shit racist comments after he retired? And its not like he really did something horrible, just made ill conceived commentary. Im sure epo will get more into it but the other 2 were pretty much dumped by GB. I know Mark was and they tried to pay favre to leave, he said no so he could go to the jets and send his limp dick to half the city

[spoon]

wow so off it's funny

[Tenbatsuzen]

also, lets not forget holmes was such a scumbag that a team he was a current pro bowler and super bowl hero didnt even want him back. and the jets jumped on gettin him for like 10% value. thats how good of a person holmes is. How can you not say the jets have a part in people being scumbags when they willingly bring in all these known scumbags


and holmes didnt just smoke weed, he also busted a fuckin champaigne glass on some chicks face in a fuckin bar. Yea defend that asshole

No charges were filed in the champagne glass incident. It's happened over six months ago now. Why would Orlando police do a favor for a New York Jets player?

The Ipod incident - again, no charges were filled, no league sanction was made, and he's already on Goodell's shit list. It was just a story on a slow news day that had no merit.

EDIT: I'll have to go back and find the story, but apparently Holmes was trying to sleep and had the headphones on to drown out the plane noise. Stewardess thought his Ipod was on, and got the cops involved.

[spoon]

if you want to dissect the Packers later fine, but right now we're talking about the Jet's organization

let's not go all over the place and dilute the topic as is one of your tactics

[Snoogans]

No charges were filed in the champagne glass incident. It's happened over six months ago now. Why would Orlando police do a favor for a New York Jets player?

The Ipod incident - again, no charges were filled, no league sanction was made, and he's already on Goodell's shit list. It was just a story on a slow news day that had no merit.

so no charges were filed, that makes it ok? Obviously something happened. Notice the giants and even packers who you tried to attack never even get brought up in these stories? Dont you fuckin get it?

[epo]

Epo, your team:

1) Employed Favre. So if everyone is saying that the Jets should have known about Favre's creeping, that makes the Packers just as guilty in this situation. Favre had a drug problem too.

2) Employed Chmura.

3) Employed Reggie White.

So if you want to keep railing about the Classless Jets, make sure your glass house is well protected.

wasnt reggie whites shit racist comments after he retired? And its not like he really did something horrible, just made ill conceived commentary. Im sure epo will get more into it but the other 2 were pretty much dumped by GB. I know Mark was and they tried to pay favre to leave, he said no so he could go to the jets and send his limp dick to half the city

So let's do this one at a fucking time:

1. Green Bay offered Favre a 10-year contract for $20+million to retire and to "protect his legacy". In other words, go the fuck away money.

2. Mark Chmura after the charges of the incident went to court without the support of the team and was run out of the league.

3. Reggie White's comments were done after his retirement.

Look at the difference between our organizations. The Packers saw problems and fucking dealt with them. The Jets saw problems and took actions to add them to their pathetic organization.

[spoon]

No charges were filed in the champagne glass incident. It's happened over six months ago now. Why would Orlando police do a favor for a New York Jets player?

The Ipod incident - again, no charges were filled, no league sanction was made, and he's already on Goodell's shit list. It was just a story on a slow news day that had no merit.

On March 24, 2010, Anshonae Mills filed a lawsuit against Holmes over a March 7 incident in which she alleges Holmes threw a glass at her in an Orlando nightclub, resulting in a cut above her eye. Initially, Mills did not pursue charges, claiming Holmes and the police intimidated her into it, but the case has been reopened. Subsequently, after a Twitter comment criticizing the nightclub incident, Holmes told the follower to "kill urself." He later Tweeted it was time to "wake n bake," a reference to marijuana.[20] Holmes alleges his account was hacked and it was not him making the comments.[21]

Well it looks like there are charges in the end being filed...not two years later too.

The Ipod thing was just another bullet point in a power point presentation showing the guy is a complete asshole leading to the Steelers letting him go for basically nothing as Shaun stated.

[Tenbatsuzen]

so no charges were filed, that makes it ok? Obviously something happened. Notice the giants and even packers who you tried to attack never even get brought up in these stories? Dont you fuckin get it?

Kareem McKenzie, DUI.

Jim Fassell - got fucking LOADED at an event for wellington mara and basically ended his NFL HC career.

Kerry Collins - racist and drunken issues before coming to the Giants.

[spoon]

so no charges were filed, that makes it ok? Obviously something happened. Notice the giants and even packers who you tried to attack never even get brought up in these stories? Dont you fuckin get it?

And if your players got a DUI I'm sure they'd miss more than a series of plays in one game. It's how it's handled that makes it worse every time with the Jets. That and the fact that they jump on all these players on the cheap like the Cowboys, Raiders and Bengals of old. Ok, Bengals of now too (TO, Coke spoons both last year).

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well it looks like there are charges in the end being filed...not two years later too.

The Ipod thing was just another bullet point in a power point presentation showing the guy is a complete asshole leading to the Steelers letting him go for basically nothing as Shaun stated.

Ipod thing happened after he was traded.

And I need a link to show where charges are being filed. Not Wikipedia.

[spoon]

Kareem McKenzie, DUI.

Jim Fassell - got fucking LOADED at an event for wellington mara and basically ended his NFL HC career.

Kerry Collins - racist and drunken issues before coming to the Giants.

OOooo OOO, do my team next! :thumbup:

[Snoogans]

Kareem McKenzie, DUI.

Jim Fassell - got fucking LOADED at an event for wellington mara and basically ended his NFL HC career.

Kerry Collins - racist and drunken issues before coming to the Giants.

yea you helped prove the point. Fassel was run out of the league after. WE DIDNT KEEP HIM

And thats one incident with mckenzie a long time ago. And collins was after rehab, a class organization gave a guy a chance on the rebound and it turned out he changed his ways and NEVER GOT IN TROUBLE AGAIN

the jets keep having incidents and take guys who did shit and then keep being assholes.

You dont see the difference?

[Snoogans]

Ipod thing happened after he was traded.

And I need a link to show where charges are being filed. Not Wikipedia.

good point about guys on 2nd chances dont fuck up again w the jets

[spoon]

Ipod thing happened after he was traded.

And I need a link to show where charges are being filed. Not Wikipedia.

Yes, what a shock he'd continue to be an ignorant asshole. THAT'S the point Matt.

As for the charges, who cares one way or the other. It's reported they pushed her/intimidated her not to press charges from a ton of media reports. Either way (case is on or not) do you think he didn't do it?! Are you on the Jet staff or something?

I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but I just don't think it matters enough to find it.