2011-12 NFL Season

[KnoxHarrington]

Long night for the New York Football Giants ahead, I think.

[Snacks]

Aikman is worse. He was calling Cowboys by their first names today.

I would take Aikman over Simms any Sunday!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dumb question -

I thought NFL rules stated that all nationally televised games, the roof must be closed, no exceptions, if you have a retractable dome.

Did that rule change?

[Kevin]

Epo won, Philly win, Jets won, and even though the Cowboys lost, Some place in Awful Chicago, Mojo is happy that the Bears won and Cutler looked good..

And the Giants are about to get murdered...

Not a good day...

[Snacks]

Snacks? Epo? Where's your trash talk? YOu guys got awfully quiet.

The Jets still suck, theres your trash talk now! The team is way overrated, there coach is still fat and has a big mouth and they will not go to the super bowl. Is that enough for you!

[Snacks]

Unlike me, Epo actualy has a life.. And is prob doing shit.

Not sure about Snacks..

I was actually eating a nice Italian dinner and didnt watch the 2nd half so I thought they lost!

[Snacks]

aren't their teams both 2-0?

Yes my team is 2-0 but Miami fans dont talk like we are going to the Super Bowl after 2 wins. We would like to see a complete team and time go by before we get too happy. The Jets brag after making the playoffs by luck and then the entire offseason they continue to talk shit even though they dont have the team to back it up

[underdog]

undie,do you know dr joe is using your name in a pick em league?

and if so does that make you his b-word?

What is he using for a name?

[razorboy]

Dumb question -

I thought NFL rules stated that all nationally televised games, the roof must be closed, no exceptions, if you have a retractable dome.

Did that rule change?

I think it is up to the team to decide open or closed an hour and a half before the game, unless the weather turns to shit. I could be wrong.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The Jets still suck, theres your trash talk now! The team is way overrated, there coach is still fat and has a big mouth and they will not go to the super bowl. Is that enough for you!

Even with Favre throwing three picks, you still barely beat him.

[Kevin]

Was that actualy a STOP?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was actually eating a nice Italian dinner

Dorothy Mantooth?

[Kevin]

Even with Favre throwing three picks, you still barely beat him.



You are a total retard..

They won BECAUSE they forced Favre to throw 3picks..

Was Favre playing someone else and somehow it counted for Miami?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think it is up to the team to decide open or closed an hour and a half before the game, unless the weather turns to shit. I could be wrong.

You're right, it could be a weather related thing. I also might be getting confused with NCAA rules. One of my biggest disappointments in seeing a football game EVER was when they closed the roof on the Fiesta Bowl at U of P stadium and the weather was SPECTACULAR - 73 degrees and clear.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You are a total retard..

They won BECAUSE they forced Favre to throw 3picks..

Was Favre playing someone else and somehow it counted for Miami?

One would think, if Miami is soooooo much better, that if they got three picks, they'd win by more than 4 points.

[epo]

Was that actualy a STOP?

It was mostly the Reggie Wayne drop.

[razorboy]

It was mostly the Reggie Wayne drop.

Drop is only four letters away from stop.

[Kevin]

It was mostly the Reggie Wayne drop.



And Dallas Clark..

[KnoxHarrington]

OK, maybe the Giants are going to make a game of this after all.

[JimBeam]

What killed me about Simms and his partner in that Jet game was how in the 1st quarter they were making it a point to say that Cromartie couldn't fill Revis's shoes but then in the 4th quarter it was " oh the Jets knew all through training camp that Cromartie could fill in if Revis didn't come back ".

Waffling, flip flopping bastards.

To the Giants/Colts game, or any major game, can we not have the assholes players mention their HS's when they mention the lineups ?

Yeah it was somewhat humorous the 1st time a guy did it years ago but now it's just lame.

[Kevin]

When its the 2nd qtr and the happiest guy on your team is the punter..


Not a good night..

[Snacks]

One would think, if Miami is soooooo much better, that if they got three picks, they'd win by more than 4 points.

they won on the road in minny where their QB turned the ball over 2 times all of last year at home but Miamis #1 ranked def caused 4 turn overs. Miami also fumbled the ball on their own 2 and then fumbled on their own 25. So Miami's RB's helped minn stay in it.

[KnoxHarrington]

If you watch this game on the Internet, they air the same 2 or 3 commercials over and over. It starts to get kind of lame.

They're airing this commercial over and over in which a bad-ass biker gang rolls up to a Subway in the middle of the desert to eat shitty subs. It's completely unrealistic -- well, in the sense of some biker gang getting together to go to Subway. Not in the sense of there being a Subway in the middle of the desert: shit, when we finally get to Mars, I expect we'll find a Subway already there.

[epo]

Does anyone know the line and the over/under on this game. I like to see how long it takes Al Michaels to get into pseudo-gambling talk.

[JimBeam]

That's why I've always loved Manning even in college.

He just makes it look so easy.

[epo]

OK, maybe the Giants are going to make a game of this after all.

Probably not.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Congrats to the jets for realizing there was a second half to the game today. Revis is still a bitch.

[razorboy]

That's why I've always loved Manning even in college.

He just makes it look so easy.

Who else could make being painfully average look so easy?

[KnoxHarrington]

The interception will stand, but I think that return's gonna be nullified.

[JimBeam]

And fuck Tomlinson that pissy bitch.

Flexing his muscles after getting a 1st down ? Really ?

Brady should've walked over and showed him his 3 rings and reminded him that he never has and never will win anything.

[Kevin]

Why is Jacobs still on this team?

[JimBeam]

Who else could make being painfully average look so easy?

I was reffering to Peyton and I'm sure you're talking about Eli.

[razorboy]

Why is Jacobs still on this team?

He threatened to eat Kevin Gilbride?

[KnoxHarrington]

Ah, the NFL, where the player comes first, sticking a player back out there with a possible head injury.

Hope he doesn't taunt anyone. They don't tolerate that.

[razorboy]

I was reffering to Peyton and I'm sure you're talking about Eli.

I know and you're correct.

[epo]

Ah, the NFL, where the player comes first, sticking a player back out there with a possible head injury.

Hope he doesn't taunt anyone. They don't tolerate that.

Nothing is worse than Andy Reid last week with Stewart Bradley. That was fucking ridiculous.

[hanso]

Pat White might have been the poorest excuse of a QB ever to attempt to play in the NFL. He was fucking awful.

His welcome to the NFL last season was getting knocked the eff out. Before completing his first pass. He did look ok when he started late in the last preseason game. But he was the odd guy out as the 4th QB.

[JimBeam]

Back to the Jets, is it possible that the Patriots secondary just isn't any good ?

Pulling for the Patriots in that game made me feel so dirty I wanted to take a scalding hot shower.

Only a new found hatred for the Jets would allow my formerly intense hatred for the Patriots to get ignored for a day.

But isn't hating the Jets kinda like hating the Pittsburgh Pirates ?

I mean they don't really ever do anything and it's been forever since the won.

[Kevin]

Tackling before 10yds is for pussies.

[epo]

Indy is really starting to control the line of scrimmage. I thought the Giants had a tough D-Line?

[Tenbatsuzen]

His welcome to the NFL last season was getting knocked the eff out. Before completing his first pass. He did look ok when he started late in the last preseason game. But he was the odd guy out as the 4th QB.

You're right about that. That's probably why 1) he refused a conversion to WR and 2) basically said Eff this and got guaranteed money in baseball without having to break his neck.

Say what you want, but playing minor league ball is still better than working as a high school gym teacher or whatever Pat wants to do.

[KnoxHarrington]

I think we can officially declare this to be an asswhipping.

[epo]

The Giants look....

[Snoogans]

i hope no one is surprised by this. After I watched Indy suck their way to a loss at Houston, I knew this was coming, at least the offensive part. But jesus, at least go get some points fags

[epo]

You're right about that. That's probably why 1) he refused a conversion to WR and 2) basically said Eff this and got guaranteed money in baseball without having to break his neck.

Say what you want, but playing minor league ball is still better than working as a high school gym teacher or whatever Pat wants to do.

If all things are equal, a career in baseball is much better for an athlete's long-term health and quality of life.

[Snoogans]

If all things are equal, a career in baseball is much better for an athlete's long-term health and quality of life.

and wallet usually too

[KnoxHarrington]

i hope no one is surprised by this. After I watched Indy suck their way to a loss at Houston, I knew this was coming, at least the offensive part. But jesus, at least go get some points fags

Well, and it's starting to look like the Texans might finallly be good this season.

They've been everyone's "sleeper pick" for years, before finally ending up 8-8. This might finally be their year though.

[Snoogans]

Well, and it's starting to look like the Texans might finallly be good this season.

They've been everyone's "sleeper pick" for years, before finally ending up 8-8. This might finally be their year though.

its possible, but ill hold off another week. It took overtime to beat Washington, and people can say what they want, but washington didnt look good in beating dallas. And Dallas didnt really look good today, so I dont know how good of a win it is to beat the skins

[Snacks]

i hope no one is surprised by this. After I watched Indy suck their way to a loss at Houston, I knew this was coming, at least the offensive part. But jesus, at least go get some points fags

I knew this was coming after watching the first 3 quarters of the NYG game last week. They are awful and for 3 quarters made the shitty panthers look good.

[Snoogans]

I knew this was coming after watching the first 3 quarters of the NYG game last week. They are awful and for 3 quarters made the shitty panthers look good.

well yea, the giants not being very good probably helps

plus I traded Eli Manning to Hippo yesterday in fantasy. so the season is done. Im just hoping the plan comes together and they get coughlin fired

[hanso]

I think we can officially declare this to be an asswhipping.

Yeah but I'm liking it. The guy I'm playing in fantasy has two NYG WR's. And he's not getting squat. Hope the 2nd half is the same.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If all things are equal, a career in baseball is much better for an athlete's long-term health and quality of life.

and wallet usually too

Agreed on both counts. Pat White made at least 2-3 million dollars already in his NFL career. He could go back to his home town tomorrow and still be set for life and his kids life.

[epo]

If Jacobs throws his helmet at me and that son of a bitch is going home with me.

[Snoogans]

please suspend jacobs for throwing his helmet into the stands.

suspend him for 48 games

[Snacks]

If Jacobs throws his helmet at me and that son of a bitch is going home with me.

I thought it was kind of bullshit for that cop to just go in there and grab it. Got to hate the pigs they know nothing will happen to them so that act tough. they should have thrown the helmet at his head!

[KnoxHarrington]

If Jacobs throws his helmet at me and that son of a bitch is going home with me.

I'd piss on it, or at least spill beer all over it. "Oopsie!"

[KnoxHarrington]

please suspend jacobs for throwing his helmet into the stands.

suspend him for 48 games

I bet he gets a pretty big fine for that, at least.

[epo]

I thought it was kind of bullshit for that cop to just go in there and grab it. Got to hate the pigs they know nothing will happen to them so that act tough. they should have thrown the helmet at his head!

I seem to remember there is a standard clause on tickets about equipment belonging to the NFL. Real bullshit if you ask me.

[Snacks]

I seem to remember there is a standard clause on tickets about equipment belonging to the NFL. Real bullshit if you ask me.

then spit, piss and blow your nose into it and all over it before giving it back.

nice play Eli!

[hanso]

Could have made it into a lamp base. Just like...... on
NYG lamp base

darn can't edit spoiler
no guess?
Here comes spoiler then


Aqua Teen Hunger Force
Carl has one in his room.

[Kevin]

then spit, piss and blow your nose into it and all over it before giving it back.

nice play Eli!



It would help if his Oline would actualy block someone...

[KnoxHarrington]

That TD probably ended the game right there. The only hope the Giants had was scoring on that drive, and pulling to within 10. Then we got a game, maybe (but probably not.) But no way this team makes up a 24 point deficit with this little time left.

[KnoxHarrington]

Oh, to answer a question from Epo earlier: the over/under on this game in most places is 48, or maybe 48.5.

So, yeah, about time to listen for Al's subtle allusion to that.

[hanso]

They don't even do trivia.

[epo]

This is just ridiculous.

Not even the Jets are this bad.

[TheGameHHH]

Back to the Jets, is it possible that the Patriots secondary just isn't any good ?

Not only is it possible, its accurate. They haven't actually been good since 2007, despite what Tyree's helmet makes you believe

[epo]

Somebody better score so that Al Michaels can tell us that the total went OVER.

[Snoogans]

Somebody better score so that Al Michaels can tell us that the total went OVER.

he just did it, really subtle

For the game that TD means nothing though.....well, sorta nothing

[epo]

"That TD means nothing, well sort of nothing."

[Snoogans]

HA and again

well the games over, its REALLY over

[Snoogans]

al michaels rules. I bet he had 500K on the colts tonight

[epo]

Al is such a degenerate that its awesome.

[Kevin]

Al Wineguard.

[TripleSkeet]

HA and again

well the games over, its REALLY over

I remember realizing he was dropping lines like that 10 years ago. Gotta love a guy that calls games hes got money on.

[spoon]

You waited all morning for that?

Tenbats wants to fuck you eps.

[spoon]

I've torn up my ankle too. I actually posted on my own twitter feed that it looked like Grant wasn't coming back -- which led to me posting the Martin Frank tweet because I was somewhat incredulous that someone's leg could bend like that and come back.

No matter what, the whole point was that your case was based on the GB beat writers didn't know what was going on, when it looks like, in fact, Bedard was the source that Grant injury "comeback" was coming from.

Ha! I guess we should all follow Tenbats for NFL updates then huh?! AHAHAHhahahha! You tweeted that in a "somewhat incredulous" way my ass! You posted it as the douchey cunt you usually are, and sums up that 99% of even your FOUND/searched out information is bullshit on top of what's in that fat fucking head of yours. Your cute love affair with bs instant info, shitty/forced sports nicknames and epo makes a lot of sense though...ALL GAY.

[spoon]

Dick Pills and Buzzcut on Fox just spent a good few minutes slobbering Vick's cock after 30 mins of football. "He's back!"



exhibit z :lol:

[spoon]

While I hate the Cubs, I wish that upon no man.

Nor do I. Luckily, it missed his heart, but still...

Too bad you didn't come to the softball game huh? Tom's chick brought him a bat specially made for his use on Tenbats too! It was a wish of mine that would have come true, among many other posters here. :glurps: <-let down

[spoon]

Haynesworth inactive. Apparently, this has turned into a dick-wagging contest in DC now.

If you're not going to play him, cut him. You're spending the money either way. You're obviously not going to get through to him.

Yep, week 2 just give up. It's not worth millions of dollars and the inclusion of a great D lineman to put up any effort bc some douche online calls it a "dick-wagging" contest. :wallbash:

I sense a theme here too, "dick pills", "swords crossing" & "dick-wagging"...someone seemingly has something on his mind.

[spoon]

Nice play call Childress.

Brad Childress is an absolute fucking moron

Do you really blame him? It was either a pick in the end zone or 4 and out at that pt! :wacko:

[spoon]

He got bumped, not elbowed and helmate to helmate.

Wow, are you stupid.

What the fuck is a helmate? Is it a cellmate in hell or something you learn in Macedonia? So much for no original material GOD DAMMIT! :lol:

[spoon]

My prediction: the Vikings get off to a terrible start, like 2-5 or 3-6 or something like that, and suddenly Brett Favre remembers how much his ankle hurts.

If the Vikings suck this year, he'll find a way to weasel out of any responsibility for it.
I say bad prediction bc I'll go on his past history of never missing a game and the fact I actually believe they'll lean on AP more and start winning and actually make the playoffs. Hell, they're 0-2 not 0-6 so it's plenty early.

[spoon]

And just to give Epo a little more jack material: last year, Brett Favre threw 2 interceptions all year during Vikings home games. He had 3 in today's game.

Maybe he could use some of Kevin's Helmate Mayo to jerk to ur post?

[Kevin]

So glad to have spoon back after a weekend away.

[TripleSkeet]

Yep, week 2 just give up. It's not worth millions of dollars and the inclusion of a great D lineman to put up any effort bc some douche online calls it a "dick-wagging" contest. :wallbash:.

Hes actually right. Thats EXACTLY whats going on in DC. Haynesworth is a lazy piece of shit. If Shanahan were smart, he would trade him to Tennessee or whatever other shit team that would take him and hed take whatever they gave him. You dont keep a distraction like that on your team when its your first year there as coach and youre trying to get guys to buy into your system. You make an example of him and ship his fat ass out of there.

But fuck it, I hate the Skins so Im glad they have to deal with that sideshow every week. Keep it up coach!

[hanso]

No make him return kicks/punts.

[Kevin]

No make him return kicks/punts.



He should be made to play goalie for the Caps...

[spoon]

Well, and it's starting to look like the Texans might finallly be good this season.

They've been everyone's "sleeper pick" for years, before finally ending up 8-8. This might finally be their year though.

I think it has to do with having some semblance of a run game as Foster can pound away even against tough d-lines w/o dropping balls on the turf all day...I'm looking at you Slaton!

[Kevin]

I think it has to do with having some semblance of a run game as Foster can pound away even against tough d-lines w/o dropping balls on the turf all day...I'm looking at you Slaton!



Ground and pound.. Ground and pound.

[spoon]

Hes actually right. Thats EXACTLY whats going on in DC. Haynesworth is a lazy piece of shit. If Shanahan were smart, he would trade him to Tennessee or whatever other shit team that would take him and hed take whatever they gave him. You dont keep a distraction like that on your team when its your first year there as coach and youre trying to get guys to buy into your system. You make an example of him and ship his fat ass out of there.

But fuck it, I hate the Skins so Im glad they have to deal with that sideshow every week. Keep it up coach!

TRADING him and CUTTING him are not the same thing so he's NOT right. You find a way to get something for him, anything if you are giving up so soon. You don't see the Chargers simply cutting Jackson do you, he's just not with the team. They want two picks and they'll probably get close to that. Cutting him simply due to his potential not to mention his price tag is nothing but a dumb move. Yet this is Snider we are talking about, even he makes Tenbats look sports/business savvy.

[disneyspy]

its time to get ready

[Kevin]

its time to get ready



I was not..

THEN HANK CAME ON!!!


I'M RRRRRRRRRREAAAAAADY!

YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAWWWW.

[Snoogans]

i wont be ready til frank and al and dan are back at my monday night party

[Serpico1103]

i wont be ready til frank and al and dan are back at my monday night party

#12

[Snoogans]

#12

?

[Serpico1103]

?

Thought your post was a good #12. (http://www.thesmokingjacket.com/tag/football)

[HBox]

Some really sad news. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/20/report-broncos-receiver-kenny-mckinley-found-dead/)

Josina Anderson of FOX 31 in Denver reports that Broncos receiver Kenny McKinley has been found dead, apparently due to a suicide.

[PapaBear]

Some really sad news. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/20/report-broncos-receiver-kenny-mckinley-found-dead/)
Wow. That's fucked up.

[KnoxHarrington]

Excuse me...sorry I'm late. Is this where the Monday night party is?

[weekapaugjz]

Excuse me...sorry I'm late. Is this where the Monday night party is?

yeah, but it's not very rowdy tonight.

[HBox]

yeah, but it's not very rowdy tonight.

And I'm only marginally prepared for some football.

[PapaBear]

And I'm only marginally prepared for some football.
:lol:

[PapaBear]

I think this is my worst Pickem week ever. :wallbash:

[KnoxHarrington]

One of the most puzzling things to me in the offseason was the way all the "experts" were falling all over themselves to pronounce the New Orleans Saints to be a fluke with no chance in hell of repeating, maybe not even contending. But they really haven't lost much from last season, and they've got some time playing together under their belts. They didn't look that sharp last week, but I don't see any reason why they can't be right there at the end of the season, making another deep playoff run.

[disneyspy]

What is he using for a name?

3 underdog, J. XXXXX 8 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 18 93.2

[weekapaugjz]

braylon edwards, get your shit together. (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5598872)

[Kevin]

braylon edwards, get your shit together. (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5598872)



Drive like a fucking Jet.

[Kevin]

Vick officialy the starting QB in Philly..
.Sorry TS

[AHerald117]

Drive like a fucking Jet.

he probably shouldn't dance around like he is a pro bowler after one touchdown either, do it alittle more consistently braylon, then you can celebrate. Clearly with the dui, you think its time to party like you won the superbowl... :nono:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Drive like a fucking Jet.

Two words: Kareem McKenzie. You really have no room to bash here.

Personally, I think this is deplorable and I'm pissed as all hell and Edwards should be thanking God he didn't hurt or kill someone. ANd maybe, just maybe, he should have realized what his friend Donte Stallworth had done.

What really annoys me is that he's probably going to get the same penalty that Santonio gets, when Santonio was just in his house minding his own smoking some green, while Edwards could have potentially killed someone.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Drive like a fucking Jet.



Good stuff.

[Kevin]

Two words: Kareem McKenzie. You really have no room to bash here.

Personally, I think this is deplorable and I'm pissed as all hell and Edwards should be thanking God he didn't hurt or kill someone. ANd maybe, just maybe, he should have realized what his friend Donte Stallworth had done.

What really annoys me is that he's probably going to get the same penalty that Santonio gets, when Santonio was just in his house minding his own smoking some green, while Edwards could have potentially killed someone.



Both you can't defend..

But this is the gamble you take when you take on players with a past...

Didn't Santonio throw like a glass at a woman?

The Steelers gave away a very good player for nothing.

I know it was part of the Ben shit and the Rooneys wanted to send a clear message, but still there had to be something there.

Holmes did impress me on Hard Knocks when he was one of the few that did not eat the cheeseburgers and actualy had a problem with it.

[K.C.]

Vick officialy the starting QB in Philly..
.Sorry TS

An admission of what I've been saying all year:

They were FUCKING STUPID for trading McNabb.

Oh well, here's hoping Vick does well. At least I can take solace in the fact that the racist contingent of the Philly fanbase is cursed with yet another black QB after they thought they finally had broken the streak.

They've got to be inconsolable today.

[Kevin]

An admission of what I've been saying all year:

They were FUCKING STUPID for trading McNabb.

Oh well, here's hoping Vick does well. At least I can take solace in the fact that the racist contingent of the Philly fanbase is cursed with yet another black QB after they thought they finally had broken the streak.

They've got to be inconsolable today.



Another fucking mooly QB? Marrone!

What is fucking team doing Pauly.

[hanso]

Two words: Kareem McKenzie. You really have no room to bash here.

Personally, I think this is deplorable and I'm pissed as all hell and Edwards should be thanking God he didn't hurt or kill someone. ANd maybe, just maybe, he should have realized what his friend Donte Stallworth had done.

What really annoys me is that he's probably going to get the same penalty that Santonio gets, when Santonio was just in his house minding his own smoking some green, while Edwards could have potentially killed someone.

Do it in NY. We don't need that shit down here.

[TheGameHHH]

Two words: Kareem McKenzie. You really have no room to bash here.

Personally, I think this is deplorable and I'm pissed as all hell and Edwards should be thanking God he didn't hurt or kill someone. ANd maybe, just maybe, he should have realized what his friend Donte Stallworth had done.

What really annoys me is that he's probably going to get the same penalty that Santonio gets, when Santonio was just in his house minding his own smoking some green, while Edwards could have potentially killed someone.

killed somebody, then paid the family off and walked away with zero consequences for his actions?

[TripleSkeet]

Vick officialy the starting QB in Philly..
.Sorry TS

Quickest bet I ever lost.

An admission of what I've been saying all year:

They were FUCKING STUPID for trading McNabb.

Oh well, here's hoping Vick does well. At least I can take solace in the fact that the racist contingent of the Philly fanbase is cursed with yet another black QB after they thought they finally had broken the streak.

They've got to be inconsolable today.

If THATS what they were gonna do, then I agree about McNabb. But if they went with the plan they shouldve went with I disagree. They arent going to the Super Bowl with this team. Their defense is fucking horrendous. So instead of putting a kid in there to try to build cohesion with his recievers you fuck him over completely for this fucking charity case.

Is Vick good enough to win more games this year? Sure. But this season wasnt supposed to be about winning games. It was supposed to be about building a fucking offense that wouldve been deadly 2-3 years from now. With that and a defense and offensive line shored up through the draft you build a great team.

Now we get to watch this jackass run for his life and maybe get us to the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs before losing again.

My only regret about McNabb is that fat walrus looking fuck Reid didnt go with him.

[Kevin]

Edwards Jets punishment?

He will dress but "not start"

That will learn him!

Take a few plays off.

Either go full or do nothing at all.

Not starting is the most bullshit thing in football since the non starter, besides QB, gets to see almost as much playing time as the starters.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Edwards Jets punishment?

He will dress but "not start"

That will learn him!

Take a few plays off.

Either go full or do nothing at all.

Not starting is the most bullshit thing in football since the non starter, besides QB, gets to see almost as much playing time as the starters.

Per the CBA, the team can't suspend or deactivate him. Know some truth before you post.

[Snacks]

Per the CBA, the team can't suspend or deactivate him. Know some truth before you post.

of course a team can suspend him for whatever they want. They did it to Keyshawn, T Owens, Pac Man, Plaxico etc why cant they suspend or release this piece of shit?

[Kevin]

of course a team can suspend him for whatever they want. They did it to Keyshawn, T Owens, Pac Man, Plaxico etc why cant they suspend or release this piece of shit?



Whats that?

And you didn't even use twitter!!!

[spoon]

Quickest bet I ever lost.



Is Vick good enough to win more games this year? Sure. But this season wasnt supposed to be about winning games. It was supposed to be about building a fucking offense that wouldve been deadly 2-3 years from now.

No no, Kolb was going to put up 30+ TDs THIS YEAR! :lol:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Edwards got a DUI, not even a DWI... It is bad for his rep , but not something worth being suspended..... His mistake is being a loser who has Ultra Dark Tinted Windows... those make you a target........

this coming from someone who HATES the Jets.... I wished that 2 larger inmates forcefully jizzed on Braylon's Beard in the holding cell ....

[JimBeam]

of course a team can suspend him for whatever they want. They did it to Keyshawn, T Owens, Pac Man, Plaxico etc why cant they suspend or release this piece of shit?

What I've heard is that his offense goes against the Substance Abuse Policy covered by the CBA and they're limited in what they can do to him.

If he's convicted or pleads guilty to the charge ( which is evident ) it becomes a conduct issue ( I guess due to his previous run in w/ the law ) and he can be punished further by both the league and team I think.

The team can suspend him but they'd have to pay him as to not violate a deal with the union.

[TripleSkeet]

No no, Kolb was going to put up 30+ TDs THIS YEAR! :lol:

I thought he would have. But I also thought hed put up about 12-15 picks too. Young offenses make mistakes, thats how they learn. Look at Peyton Manning, 20 picks his first season.

The whole move makes no sense to me. In all honesty it seems like more of the Eagles trying to steal the thunder and the headlines from the Phillies again. They did the same shit last year. Ever since the Phils won the World Series and took over the number 1 spot in the hearts of the fans of this city the Eagles have never been able to live it down.

This move will fuck this team for at least a few years.

[Snoogans]

I thought he would have. But I also thought hed put up about 12-15 picks too. Young offenses make mistakes, thats how they learn. Look at Peyton Manning, 20 picks his first season.

The whole move makes no sense to me. In all honesty it seems like more of the Eagles trying to steal the thunder and the headlines from the Phillies again. They did the same shit last year. Ever since the Phils won the World Series and took over the number 1 spot in the hearts of the fans of this city the Eagles have never been able to live it down.

This move will fuck this team for at least a few years.

yea Kevin Kolb is JUST like peyton manning

[TripleSkeet]

yea Kevin Kolb is JUST like peyton manning

I think Peyton Manning wouldve loved to have the weapons on the Eagles his first year in the league.

[Snoogans]

I think Peyton Manning wouldve loved to have the weapons on the Eagles his first year in the league.

yea cause peyton manning has talent

[TripleSkeet]

I have another question...

Why are NFL fans of other teams so determined to make us love Donovan McNabb? As a player I thought he had alot of talent, but had his shortcomings which were apparent to me. This came from me looking at him as a fan of football, not a fan of the Eagles. People get criticized all the time for overlooking their players faults and being homers. Yet in this situation its the opposite.

Not to mention he doesnt have the type of personality that Philly fans like. You can say the city is racist but you know what? Tell Brian Dawkins that. Or Jimmy Rollins. Or Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Randall Cunningham, Terrell Owens, Allen Iverson, Dr. J, etc. They all got crazy love in this city, as did McNabb when it looked like he was making progress. But he never had the personality that got over in a city like this. The guy still cries about being booed on draft day 10 years later like a faggot.

But once you hit a wall and stop moving up why is it wrong for a fanbase to say "We are tired of spinning our wheels and not being able to get over the hump. Time to move on." Why is it wrong for a fanbase that knows football (and dont get me wrong, the large portion of Eagles fans DONT) to recognize when you dont have the bullets to reload anymore and have to start rebuilding your team?

I just dont get it. I couldnt care less if Dallas fans like Tony Romo or not. Or if Indy fans ever wanted to get rid of Manning. Even if I disagreed I wouldnt care. It seems like other teams fans get mad that we dont like McNabb and are happy about moving on without him. Why?

[TripleSkeet]

yea cause peyton manning has talent

Yea well the difference is he got a chance to play and show if he did or not, while Kolb still hasnt.

[Snoogans]

I have another question...

Why are NFL fans of other teams so determined to make us love Donovan McNabb? As a player I thought he had alot of talent, but had his shortcomings which were apparent to me. This came from me looking at him as a fan of football, not a fan of the Eagles. People get criticized all the time for overlooking their players faults and being homers. Yet in this situation its the opposite.

Not to mention he doesnt have the type of personality that Philly fans like. You can say the city is racist but you know what? Tell Brian Dawkins that. Or Jimmy Rollins. Or Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Randall Cunningham, Terrell Owens, Allen Iverson, Dr. J, etc. They all got crazy love in this city, as did McNabb when it looked like he was making progress. But he never had the personality that got over in a city like this. The guy still cries about being booed on draft day 10 years later like a faggot.

But once you hit a wall and stop moving up why is it wrong for a fanbase to say "We are tired of spinning our wheels and not being able to get over the hump. Time to move on." Why is it wrong for a fanbase that knows football (and dont get me wrong, the large portion of Eagles fans DONT) to recognize when you dont have the bullets to reload anymore and have to start rebuilding your team?

I just dont get it. I couldnt care less if Dallas fans like Tony Romo or not. Or if Indy fans ever wanted to get rid of Manning. Even if I disagreed I wouldnt care. It seems like other teams fans get mad that we dont like McNabb and are happy about moving on without him. Why?

cause everybody hates philly

[Freitag]

of course a team can suspend him for whatever they want. They did it to Keyshawn, T Owens, Pac Man, Plaxico etc why cant they suspend or release this piece of shit?

As already stated, because it's a DUI, the rules are different.

[Snacks]

I thought he would have. But I also thought hed put up about 12-15 picks too. Young offenses make mistakes, thats how they learn. Look at Peyton Manning, 20 picks his first season.

The whole move makes no sense to me. In all honesty it seems like more of the Eagles trying to steal the thunder and the headlines from the Phillies again. They did the same shit last year. Ever since the Phils won the World Series and took over the number 1 spot in the hearts of the fans of this city the Eagles have never been able to live it down.

This move will fuck this team for at least a few years.

30+ TD's and 12-15 ints isnt a learning season its a great season by a high powered offense. With how much QBs throw I would be happy with those #'s.

Never should have traded McNabb especially in division against a rival!

[TripleSkeet]

30+ TD's and 12-15 ints isnt a learning season its a great season by a high powered offense. With how much QBs throw I would be happy with those #'s.

Never should have traded McNabb especially in division against a rival!

Again tell me why we shouldnt have traded McNabb? He wasnt bringing a Super Bowl here. So why keep him? We got everything he could offer, it wasnt enough. Time to move on and see if the next guy has what it takes. That next guy shouldve been Kolb. If they were going to go with Vick then they shouldnt have traded McNabb as they are basically the same QB only McNabb is better.

I agree about trading him to Washington. Again Andy Reid being an asshole and trying to help his boy rather then doing what was good for the team. He shouldve shipped his ass to Oakland.

[TripleSkeet]

cause everybody hates philly

And you wonder why they beat you with trash can lids.

[Snacks]

Kolb might not be the Philly QB of the future after all.

"ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports that the Eagles received "numerous calls" from "several teams" about Kevin Kolb's availability following coach Andy Reid's press conference Tuesday night.
Kolb is still very well thought of around the NFL, which bodes well for his value as a "hold" in dynasty leagues. Asked Wednesday if Kolb would be in Philly past the October 19 trade deadline, Reid replied "Listen, I can't predict anything down that far, nobody in this league can do that." The Browns are definitely interested. The Bills, Cardinals, and Raiders might be too."

[TripleSkeet]

Kolb might not be the Philly QB of the future after all.

"ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports that the Eagles received "numerous calls" from "several teams" about Kevin Kolb's availability following coach Andy Reid's press conference Tuesday night.
Kolb is still very well thought of around the NFL, which bodes well for his value as a "hold" in dynasty leagues. Asked Wednesday if Kolb would be in Philly past the October 19 trade deadline, Reid replied "Listen, I can't predict anything down that far, nobody in this league can do that." The Browns are definitely interested. The Bills, Cardinals, and Raiders might be too."

I hate Andy Reid. Theres no fucking way hes trading him. Who will backup Vick then? With this O line they not only need a decent backup QB but probably a good 3rd stringer too. Vick was hit 17 times Sunday and that was Detroit. Im starting to think maybe this is good for Kolb after all so he wont get massacred behind that sieve.

This is all just bullshit talk to create controversy and keep the attention on them at a time when the Phils are about to clinch the division and make a playoff run. Just like trading McNabb on opening day. Lurie and Reid just cant accept being 2nd fiddle in this town. They better get used to it.

[hanso]

Didn't Vick have better stats then Brees this last game?

[Snacks]

I hate Andy Reid. Theres no fucking way hes trading him. Who will backup Vick then? With this O line they not only need a decent backup QB but probably a good 3rd stringer too. Vick was hit 17 times Sunday and that was Detroit. Im starting to think maybe this is good for Kolb after all so he wont get massacred behind that sieve.

This is all just bullshit talk to create controversy and keep the attention on them at a time when the Phils are about to clinch the division and make a playoff run. Just like trading McNabb on opening day. Lurie and Reid just cant accept being 2nd fiddle in this town. They better get used to it.

why do you keep saying this is a way to take the attention off the Phillies and bring it to the eagles? Why would they be doing that? I doubt Reid cares that much about another sport in his own town. This is getting attention because this is football. If its taking anything away from the Phillies it because baseball is the longest and most boring sport out there. Baseball matters in April (start of the season), July (all star game) and October (playoffs). The rest of the season only die hard fans care because it doesnt matter anymore. It has gone from Americas past time, to past its time!

[TripleSkeet]

why do you keep saying this is a way to take the attention off the Phillies and bring it to the eagles? Why would they be doing that? I doubt Reid cares that much about another sport in his own town. This is getting attention because this is football. If its taking anything away from the Phillies it because baseball is the longest and most boring sport out there. Baseball matters in April (start of the season), July (all star game) and October (playoffs). The rest of the season only die hard fans care because it doesnt matter anymore. It has gone from Americas past time, to past its time!

Because the Phillies own this fucking town now. In the last 10 years this used to be the Eagles city, then the Phillies did what the Eagles couldnt and got the praise, love, and adulation of the fans while most of them still hate Lurie and Reid.

Explain to me how the fuck they are going to say they are thinking of trading Kolb 2 days after pronouncing him the QB of the franchise??? Especially when theres nobody out there to replace him with. Yesterday Roy Halladay becomes the NLs first 20 game winner as he beats the Braves to put us 5 games up on Atlanta. Whats on the front page? Michael Vick: Top Dog. Attention whores.

Dont tell me about the Eagles when it comes to their jealousy of the Phillies ok, I work at the stadium. We arent even allowed to wear Phillies hats to work as they are forbidden to employees inside the building. Meanwhile the Flyers show score updates on the jumbrotron during games when the Phils were in the World Series. The Eagles front office is not a fan of the Phillies at all.

[Snacks]

Because the Phillies own this fucking town now. In the last 10 years this used to be the Eagles city, then the Phillies did what the Eagles couldnt and got the praise, love, and adulation of the fans while most of them still hate Lurie and Reid.

Explain to me how the fuck they are going to say they are thinking of trading Kolb 2 days after pronouncing him the QB of the franchise??? Especially when theres nobody out there to replace him with. Yesterday Roy Halladay becomes the NLs first 20 game winner as he beats the Braves to put us 5 games up on Atlanta. Whats on the front page? Michael Vick: Top Dog. Attention whores.

Dont tell me about the Eagles when it comes to their jealousy of the Phillies ok, I work at the stadium. We arent even allowed to wear Phillies hats to work as they are forbidden to employees inside the building. Meanwhile the Flyers show score updates on the jumbrotron during games when the Phils were in the World Series. The Eagles front office is not a fan of the Phillies at all.

conspiracy theories at their best. I wouldnt let someone wear a hat from another league or team either. So thats the reason you know they are doing this on purpose? Come on that are not trying to steal headlines, they dont have to because football is more important and will be talked about more no matter what the phillies do. Until the Phillies win another world series there is no reason to put them on the cover. He isnt starting Vick over Kolb to take the headlines, hes doing it because Vick gives you a better chance to win NOW.

As for trading Kolb, I never said they were I just posted what ESPN said. Kolb played well in 2 games last year and looked awful in 1 game this year. He didnt even look like he was hit hard, maybe hes fragile! Lets see what happens with him but to be so crazy for a guy who hasnt proven himself is shocking. But Mcnabb who has proven himself, made it to a Super Bowl and 4 other NFC title games is a bum!!!

[Kevin]

conspiracy theories at their best. I wouldnt let someone wear a hat from another league or team either. So thats the reason you know they are doing this on purpose? Come on that are not trying to steal headlines, they dont have to because football is more important and will be talked about more no matter what the phillies do. Until the Phillies win another world series there is no reason to put them on the cover. He isnt starting Vick over Kolb to take the headlines, hes doing it because Vick gives you a better chance to win NOW.

As for trading Kolb, I never said they were I just posted what ESPN said. Kolb played well in 2 games last year and looked awful in 1 game this year. He didnt even look like he was hit hard, maybe hes fragile! Lets see what happens with him but to be so crazy for a guy who hasnt proven himself is shocking. But Mcnabb who has proven himself, made it to a Super Bowl and 4 other NFC title games is a bum!!!



Although I do agree that with all things equal... Say Eagles had a SB and Phillies have a WS, then yea, Eagles would be the undisputed team there.

But with the Phillies being a champ and being in the ws again last year and maybe again this year.

While the Eagles have been a dissapointment almost every year for what 25yrs?

I don't think that it is not even a battle right now with the two..

How many Eagle its Always Sunny have their been? 1? And that was more of an Invincible thing than Eagle.

I count at least 2 Phillies and TS said another coming up this year.

[TripleSkeet]

Although I do agree that with all things equal... Say Eagles had a SB and Phillies have a WS, then yea, Eagles would be the undisputed team there.

But with the Phillies being a champ and being in the ws again last year and maybe again this year.

While the Eagles have been a dissapointment almost every year for what 25yrs?

I don't think that it is not even a battle right now with the two..

How many Eagle its Always Sunny have their been? 1? And that was more of an Invincible thing than Eagle.

I count at least 2 Phillies and TS said another coming up this year.

If the Eagles won a Super Bowl and the Phils won a World Series, the Eagles would win out in this town. But they havent. Ever since the Phillies moved into this stadium they have done everything right in regards to the fans. While the Eagles have went in the complete opposite direction.

And with the Phils making it to a 2nd World Series...and possibly a 3rd this year, while Reid just flip flops and lies and makes baffling decision after baffling decision with no payoff, the gap between who owns the town grows wider and wider.

Eagles management has a smugness about them that is the reason most fans cant stand them. And they are same way regarding the employees. I wasnt kidding about that hat rule. Ive never seen anyone wearing any other hat asked to remove it. Just Phillies.

Oh and Howard and Utley are in Always Sunny this season.

[Snoogans]

id just like to address this well why didnt they keep mcnabb thing if they were gonna go with vick, its the same thing shit.

BULLSHIT. Did anyone bother to watch Donovan McNabb EVER? Yea he was mobile, and got away from sacks, but he never did half the shit that Vick does with his legs. McNabb woulda been sacked 14 times by the lions. There is no way he makes that reverse spin move, no way he makes that play against green bay. I dont think he coulda done that at Syracuse, nevermind at 30 years old now.

And no im not sayin vick is better or worse, or tryin to say he throws as well as mcnabb. But that further makes my point. They are VERY different in how they play. Whatever your opinions may be on what the eagles did, can we please not act like Vick and McNabb are the same guy just cause they are both black and mobile?

[TripleSkeet]

id just like to address this well why didnt they keep mcnabb thing if they were gonna go with vick, its the same thing shit.

BULLSHIT. Did anyone bother to watch Donovan McNabb EVER? Yea he was mobile, and got away from sacks, but he never did half the shit that Vick does with his legs. McNabb woulda been sacked 14 times by the lines. There is no way he makes that reverse spin move, no way he makes that play against green bay. I dont think he coulda done that at Syracuse, nevermind at 30 years old now.

And no im not sayin vick is better or worse, or tryin to say he throws as well as mcnabb. But that further makes my point. They are VERY different in how they play. Whatever your opinions may be on what the eagles did, can we please not act like Vick and McNabb are the same guy just cause they are both black and mobile?

I thing the point was that since you have an entire young offense, you bring in your young QB whose been waiting patiently and try to build a system with them. This was supposed to be a year to build and grow, that was why you traded McNabb. So if suddenly youre just gonna put Vick in and try to win now because for some delusional reason you think you can win a Super Bowl with this team, then you shouldve just kept McNabb because he knows the system, the players and has been here forever.

And fast as he may be, Vick hasnt even come close to being as good as McNabb. He may over time, but right now he shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breath.

[Kevin]

id just like to address this well why didnt they keep mcnabb thing if they were gonna go with vick, its the same thing shit.

BULLSHIT. Did anyone bother to watch Donovan McNabb EVER? Yea he was mobile, and got away from sacks, but he never did half the shit that Vick does with his legs. McNabb woulda been sacked 14 times by the lions. There is no way he makes that reverse spin move, no way he makes that play against green bay. I dont think he coulda done that at Syracuse, nevermind at 30 years old now.

And no im not sayin vick is better or worse, or tryin to say he throws as well as mcnabb. But that further makes my point. They are VERY different in how they play. Whatever your opinions may be on what the eagles did, can we please not act like Vick and McNabb are the same guy just cause they are both black and mobile?



Yea, the only thing the two have in common is that you can't win a SB with either

[TripleSkeet]

Yea, the only thing the two have in common is that you can't win a SB with either

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Snoogans]

Yea, the only thing the two have in common is that you can't win a SB with either

hold on, im just gonna say something to this. Dilfer has one, and so does Eli. I dont think its fair to say you cant win a SB with them.

Sure you cant win it with them throwing to 5 bums. And more so for Vick. McNabb never had a ton of weapons, but he still had Westbrook, Owens, and a couple other decent options. All Vick ever had was Crumpler and 5 guys who couldnt catch even when the passes were on target. Im pretty sure Eli wouldnt have won the SB if you took out Burress and gave him Peerless fuckin Price either.

Im not sayin either will. In fact, i dont think either will, but both clearly have the talent to be able if fuckin Dilfer or Eli could. Give Vick a HOF caliber defense and he could do it. Same with McNabb with even a few decent weapons

[TripleSkeet]

hold on, im just gonna say something to this. Dilfer has one, and so does Eli. I dont think its fair to say you cant win a SB with them.

Sure you cant win it with them throwing to 5 bums. And more so for Vick. McNabb never had a ton of weapons, but he still had Westbrook, Owens, and a couple other decent options. All Vick ever had was Crumpler and 5 guys who couldnt catch even when the passes were on target. Im pretty sure Eli wouldnt have won the SB if you took out Burress and gave him Peerless fuckin Price either.

Im not sayin either will. In fact, i dont think either will, but both clearly have the talent to be able if fuckin Dilfer or Eli could. Give Vick a HOF caliber defense and he could do it. Same with McNabb with even a few decent weapons

I get the weapons argument...sometimes. Then I see Tom Brady whos offensive weapons were just as good if not less then McNabbs. Oh except for the year they had Moss...in which he lost.

Im tired of excuses. Until I see some results my opinion on how they play the position remains unchanged.

[Snoogans]

I thing the point was that since you have an entire young offense, you bring in your young QB whose been waiting patiently and try to build a system with them. This was supposed to be a year to build and grow, that was why you traded McNabb. So if suddenly youre just gonna put Vick in and try to win now because for some delusional reason you think you can win a Super Bowl with this team, then you shouldve just kept McNabb because he knows the system, the players and has been here forever.

And fast as he may be, Vick hasnt even come close to being as good as McNabb. He may over time, but right now he shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breath.

again, I said Im not making a point to anything that the Eagles should or shouldnt have done. Im just saying they are NOT the same guy.

And no, I dont think McNabb is way better. He may have more ability, especially passing, but thats not all that matters. The team NEVER rallied around McNabb. In fact, alot of times, they seemed to not like him.

As much as Vick may not be a great passing QB or a good guy, he led his fuckin teams. He carried those Atlanta teams to playoffs and playoff wins. I still remember Vick basically single handedly carrying the falcons to the first ever road playoff win in Lambeau Field. Whether you like the guy or hate him, whether he is a great passer or not, Vick wins games and can carry his team to wins.

im sorry but TS, you watched that Lions game. No fuckin way McNabb, with the same thing around him and same pressures, wins that game. He may be a better passer, but he wouldnt have had time to pass, and wouldnt have gotten away. Vick is why they won that game and not a single other QB in the LEAGUE would have won that game. Thats what he brings. If you can work with it, it can win.

[Snoogans]

I get the weapons argument...sometimes. Then I see Tom Brady whos offensive weapons were just as good if not less then McNabbs. Oh except for the year they had Moss...in which he lost.

Im tired of excuses. Until I see some results my opinion on how they play the position remains unchanged.

but were they? Were Brady's weapons really worse than mcnabbs. And I mean broad weapons.

If you compare the WRs and TEs from the pats and eagles in their runs, its probably pretty even, sure. Eagles definately had a better RB, fine. They did not have the line and protection, and more so, they did not have the ultimate weapon. A great scheme, great coaching.

Andy Reid fuckin blows. Bellechik is a beast. If you took a real coach and put him on those Eagle teams instead of Reid, you may get that SB. You may get a few. That really has to be accounted for. Great coaches woulda found a way to use the teams abilities rather than gettin some moderate speed receiver and tryin to send them deep every play or something dumb

[TheGameHHH]

I get the weapons argument...sometimes. Then I see Tom Brady whos offensive weapons were just as good if not less then McNabbs. Oh except for the year they had Moss...in which he lost.

Im tired of excuses. Until I see some results my opinion on how they play the position remains unchanged.

Don't sleep on Deion Branch and Troy Brown, they define the words weapons

[Snoogans]

Don't sleep on Deion Branch and Troy Brown, they define the words weapons

another fair point. And ability also isnt the only thing that matters. The patriots were disciplined. They were where they were supposed to be. thats what made brady able to do it. The eagles, not so much

[Kevin]

hold on, im just gonna say something to this. Dilfer has one, and so does Eli. I dont think its fair to say you cant win a SB with them.

Sure you cant win it with them throwing to 5 bums. And more so for Vick. McNabb never had a ton of weapons, but he still had Westbrook, Owens, and a couple other decent options. All Vick ever had was Crumpler and 5 guys who couldnt catch even when the passes were on target. Im pretty sure Eli wouldnt have won the SB if you took out Burress and gave him Peerless fuckin Price either.

Im not sayin either will. In fact, i dont think either will, but both clearly have the talent to be able if fuckin Dilfer or Eli could. Give Vick a HOF caliber defense and he could do it. Same with McNabb with even a few decent weapons



T.O had how many catches in that SB? For how many yds?

I know he was hurt that year, but he had just as big a wepon if not bigger in T.O than Plax..

Not to mention a pretty damn good Westbrook as another option.

Eli at the end was making plays, not dry heaving in the huddle.

As for Vick, Sorry, you just can't win with a run first inaccurate QB.

All those QBs you mentioned were pocket passers.

[Snoogans]

T.O had how many catches in that SB? For how many yds?

I know he was that year, but he had just as big a wepon if not bigger in T.O than Plax..

Eli at the end was making plays, not dry heaving in the huddle.

As for Vick, Sorry, you just can't win with a run first inaccurate QB.

All those QBs you mentioned were pocket passers.

But Vick did win. He won way more games for atlanta than he should have with the garbage they put on the field. You fuckin know he did. And for all his passing deficiencies, lets not act like Michael Vick was fuckin Jake Delhomme or Derek Anderson. He prob had more passes dropped than any other QB also, by peerless price alone. He wasnt THAT bad. and you all know it

[TripleSkeet]

again, I said Im not making a point to anything that the Eagles should or shouldnt have done. Im just saying they are NOT the same guy.

And no, I dont think McNabb is way better. He may have more ability, especially passing, but thats not all that matters. The team NEVER rallied around McNabb. In fact, alot of times, they seemed to not like him.

As much as Vick may not be a great passing QB or a good guy, he led his fuckin teams. He carried those Atlanta teams to playoffs and playoff wins. I still remember Vick basically single handedly carrying the falcons to the first ever road playoff win in Lambeau Field. Whether you like the guy or hate him, whether he is a great passer or not, Vick wins games and can carry his team to wins.

im sorry but TS, you watched that Lions game. No fuckin way McNabb, with the same thing around him and same pressures, wins that game. He may be a better passer, but he wouldnt have had time to pass, and wouldnt have gotten away. Vick is why they won that game and not a single other QB in the LEAGUE would have won that game. Thats what he brings. If you can work with it, it can win.

I completely agree with you. But the problem is, usually quarterbacks that can scramble and get away like that, do it at the cost of hanging in there and making a big pass play. Which is why the whole "running QB" angle has basically been scrapped. It works sometimes, but against really good teams, eventually its gonna cost you.

To McNabbs credit he learned this and becamse a much better QB by 2004 then he was in 2000. But youre right, alot of the team didnt like him because they feel hes got no heart. Hes not a leader. He lets his feelings get hurt like a girl. Thats why aliot of the fans dont like him either. If youre watching a Washington game this year, and they are down, look to see if hes sulking on the sidelines. If he is, I dont care if its 4 minutes into the game, its over. Thats just his personality and thats not the kind of personality that fits into this city. Ike Reese still talks about it on his show to this day.

And yea nobody but Vick wouldve won that game. But come on. You just squeaked out a win against the Lions. How can these people act like hes gonna take them anywhere??? Really!

[Snacks]

but were they? Were Brady's weapons really worse than mcnabbs. And I mean broad weapons.

If you compare the WRs and TEs from the pats and eagles in their runs, its probably pretty even, sure. Eagles definately had a better RB, fine. They did not have the line and protection, and more so, they did not have the ultimate weapon. A great scheme, great coaching.

Andy Reid fuckin blows. Bellechik is a beast. If you took a real coach and put him on those Eagle teams instead of Reid, you may get that SB. You may get a few. That really has to be accounted for. Great coaches woulda found a way to use the teams abilities rather than gettin some moderate speed receiver and tryin to send them deep every play or something dumb

and not to mention Brady had nice final drives but the defense (maybe even a little cheating) won those super bowls and a money, cool as ice kicker. Brady gets way too much credit.

[TripleSkeet]

And for the record, I cant stand Andy Reid as a coach. Nothing would make me happier then to have Lurie fire Reid immediately and offer Bill Cowher $60 million to come out of retirement and coach here.

Oh and also, the Eagles shouldve won that Super Bowl. They lost because of 2 reasons. McNabbs horrible first half play and Reids coaching. The End.

[TripleSkeet]

and not to mention Brady had nice final drives but the defense (maybe even a little cheating) won those super bowls and a money, cool as ice kicker. Brady gets way too much credit.

A 6th round QB come in because of an injury to the starter, takes a team with no recievers to the Super Bowl, wins it even though they were double digit underdogs, then does it 2 more times, and then brings them back once more after going 18-0 and loses because of a last second miracle....and he gets too MUCH credit???

[Snoogans]

I completely agree with you. But the problem is, usually quarterbacks that can scramble and get away like that, do it at the cost of hanging in there and making a big pass play. Which is why the whole "running QB" angle has basically been scrapped. It works sometimes, but against really good teams, eventually its gonna cost you.

To McNabbs credit he learned this and becamse a much better QB by 2004 then he was in 2000. But youre right, alot of the team didnt like him because they feel hes got no heart. Hes not a leader. He lets his feelings get hurt like a girl. Thats why aliot of the fans dont like him either. If youre watching a Washington game this year, and they are down, look to see if hes sulking on the sidelines. If he is, I dont care if its 4 minutes into the game, its over. Thats just his personality and thats not the kind of personality that fits into this city. Ike Reese still talks about it on his show to this day.

And yea nobody but Vick wouldve won that game. But come on. You just squeaked out a win against the Lions. How can these people act like hes gonna take them anywhere??? Really!

ok first of all, vick is not a good passing QB, but lets not act like he sucks. Again, we all remember how many decent or good passes he would have dropped. Sure he uncorks some wild ones, but lets remember he still holds the freshman and soph PASS EFFICIENCY RECORDS FOR THE NCAA. He posted a 108 passer rating and put most of his throws in perfect spots last week. he isnt great, but lets not act like he is a bum either.

also, lets stop comparing him to other mobile QBs, please. He is not like them. Most times, michael vick is the best athlete on the field, period. Vince young is not michael vick, mcnabb, no one. Not even Randall Cunningham could do the things Vick can do with their legs. Lets just judge him on him. Not what Vince Young did. Vick is his own animal, good and bad, but there has never been another guy like him to use as example.

I would rate him as an A+ athlete, A+. runner, and a C+ passer. I put Delhomme as an F passer so lets not act like vick cant throw at all.

[Snoogans]

and yea it was the lions, but you cant go only that. No one woulda won that game gettin pressure like that except vick. Meaning no one else in the league, assuming the line doesnt have some miracle, would be able to lead philly anywhere this year. Why not take a chance on the best possible option? Vick is the only guy pretty much with a chance to win games.

What you should consider more is what this means. Vick is a FA. I wouldnt put it passed the eagles to keep him as their guy. He isnt old, and has fresh legs. Maybe he is also more mature, maybe he was honest when he said he didnt put in the work in atlanta. Didnt study. Maybe his bad passing days werent his abilities, but rather lack of preperation.

he is older now, been through life changing shit, and appreciates this more. Maybe he is focused. Maybe he is studying more. Maybe he will be smarter. He has weapons now, and so far, has shown he can use them, not just himself. For the first time, he looks like a real QB. This team probably cant win, sure. But Vick, for the first time ever, is starting to seem and act and play like a mobile QB who can win it somewhere

[Snoogans]

A 6th round QB come in because of an injury to the starter, takes a team with no recievers to the Super Bowl, wins it even though they were double digit underdogs, then does it 2 more times, and then brings them back once more after going 18-0 and loses because of a last second miracle....and he gets too MUCH credit???

in fairness, no, brady doesnt get too much credit. But the other people on the team, the coaches, and everyone else probably dont get enough

[zildjian361]

Snoogs got no interest in this shit ,just wanna holla at my boy:smile:

[Kevin]

and yea it was the lions, but you cant go only that. No one woulda won that game gettin pressure like that except vick. Meaning no one else in the league, assuming the line doesnt have some miracle, would be able to lead philly anywhere this year. Why not take a chance on the best possible option? Vick is the only guy pretty much with a chance to win games.

What you should consider more is what this means. Vick is a FA. I wouldnt put it passed the eagles to keep him as their guy. He isnt old, and has fresh legs. Maybe he is also more mature, maybe he was honest when he said he didnt put in the work in atlanta. Didnt study. Maybe his bad passing days werent his abilities, but rather lack of preperation.

he is older now, been through life changing shit, and appreciates this more. Maybe he is focused. Maybe he is studying more. Maybe he will be smarter. He has weapons now, and so far, has shown he can use them, not just himself. For the first time, he looks like a real QB. This team probably cant win, sure. But Vick, for the first time ever, is starting to seem and act and play like a mobile QB who can win it somewhere

I gotta see way more from him to say that.

No one is saying he is a bum either.

I just don't think you can win with the guy.

You're ratings was pretty fair.

[Kevin]

Maybe he is maturing as a QB..

But i gotta see more to say that.

[Snoogans]

I gotta see way more from him to say that.

No one is saying he is a bum either.

I just don't think you can win with the guy.

You're ratings was pretty fair.

but delhomme got to the playoffs. Shit, you watch eli every week. Are Vicks balls really as bad as some of the ducks Eli throws? How many receivers does eli need to get knocked out before we realize he isnt exactly accurate.

Who did Vick have in atlanta? Crumpler. Fine. And THATS IT. Vick can win. Will he, probably not, but give him Burress. Kevin Boss, and that 07 Giants defense and you know what, they probably do win the SB, and without some flukie helmet pass. Probably cause instead of that, Vick ran for 27 yards and picked up the first down.

Why does everyone act like Vick sucks just cause he isnt Drew Brees. Eli probably couldnt hit a fuckin wall 30 yards away, he would throw it a yard too high

[Kevin]

but delhomme got to the playoffs. Shit, you watch eli every week. Are Vicks balls really as bad as some of the ducks Eli throws? How many receivers does eli need to get knocked out before we realize he isnt exactly accurate.

Who did Vick have in atlanta? Crumpler. Fine. And THATS IT. Vick can win. Will he, probably not, but give him Burress. Kevin Boss, and that 07 Giants defense and you know what, they probably do win the SB, and without some flukie helmet pass. Probably cause instead of that, Vick ran for 27 yards and picked up the first down.

Why does everyone act like Vick sucks just cause he isnt Drew Brees. Eli probably couldnt hit a fuckin wall 30 yards away, he would throw it a yard too high



Vick does not make it out of any of those grasps.

He is hard to catch but not hard to bring down.

Eli is not strong by any means, but he is stronger than Vick is.

[Snoogans]

Vick does not make it out of any of those grasps.

He is hard to catch but not hard to bring down.

Eli is strong by any means, but he is stronger than Vick is.J

i dont know, he spun and ripped away from that DE pretty good. and thats leg strength. ill guess vick has stronger legs. he isnt small as he seems

[Snoogans]

and fuck you all for makin me defend an Eagle for 45 min

[Kevin]

and fuck you all for makin me defend an Eagle for 45 min



Maybe you can wear a Vick Jersey in a game in Philly so you don't get your ass kicked again.

[TripleSkeet]

1. I dont think Vick is a bum...at all. I just dont think he gives us any more of a chance to win then McNabb did. Which brings me to point ..

2. So the Eagles supposedly had decided (correctly in my opinion) they didnt have the bullets to try and reload, so now it was time to rebuild. Most of the offense was in place. This season would be for getting the new QBs feet wet and getting used to his weapons,...NOT FOR TRYING TO WIN A SUPER BOWL. Then through the draft and FA we try to build the offensive line and defense so we can try for that Bowl run in 2-3 years.

3. Thats what pisses me off most. Detroit sucks dick. Not even counting Vicks play the fact they were in this game and doing what they were doing should show you right there this group isnt going to any kind of Bowl, unless its the toilet. So the fact they abandoned the whole plan, turned everything upside down and turned this team into a circus YET AGAIN, its just annoying. Im over them. Ill always root for the jersey but personally I think they just fucked up their next 3 years at least.

4. As good as Vick is, was or will be, you gotta be insane to say hes better then Randall. Theres a reason they called that guy The Ultimate Weapon.

[TripleSkeet]

Maybe you can wear a Vick Jersey in a game in Philly so you don't get your ass kicked again.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Snoogans]

1. I dont think Vick is a bum...at all. I just dont think he gives us any more of a chance to win then McNabb did. Which brings me to point ..

2. So the Eagles supposedly had decided (correctly in my opinion) they didnt have the bullets to try and reload, so now it was time to rebuild. Most of the offense was in place. This season would be for getting the new QBs feet wet and getting used to his weapons,...NOT FOR TRYING TO WIN A SUPER BOWL. Then through the draft and FA we try to build the offensive line and defense so we can try for that Bowl run in 2-3 years.

3. Thats what pisses me off most. Detroit sucks dick. Not even counting Vicks play the fact they were in this game and doing what they were doing should show you right there this group isnt going to any kind of Bowl, unless its the toilet. So the fact they abandoned the whole plan, turned everything upside down and turned this team into a circus YET AGAIN, its just annoying. Im over them. Ill always root for the jersey but personally I think they just fucked up their next 3 years at least.

4. As good as Vick is, was or will be, you gotta be insane to say hes better then Randall. Theres a reason they called that guy The Ultimate Weapon.

i didnt say he was a better player, or QB. I said the athletic things vick can do with his legs are even more than what randall could do. Remember for the most part, the league Vick played and plays in is a hell of alot faster and more athletic and bigger than what Randall did. And randall became a much better QB as he got older, hurt, and lost alot of what he had. Maybe the same happens for Vick.

Let me also reiterate that I never once said that the Eagles were right. Or Wrong. Just giving my opinions on the plyaers straight up. But fact is, this is weird, and this is why I dont put the possibility of Vick being the Eagles future QB to the side like its stupid.

Vick is a free agent. The Eagles, as dumb as they are, cant POSSIBLY be discarding an entire season of building the future and letting Kolb learn in a year they wont win anyway (perfect time) to showcase michael Vick so he can find a new home as a starting QB next year.

I really am starting to think the Eagles brass and Reid decided in the last couple days that Michael Vick was going to be the QB of the future for the Philadelphia Eagles. There cant be any other reason, can there?

What the fuck do they care if Vick gets another big contract? I think they are keeping him

[TripleSkeet]

i didnt say he was a better player, or QB. I said the athletic things vick can do with his legs are even more than what randall could do. Remember for the most part, the league Vick played and plays in is a hell of alot faster and more athletic and bigger than what Randall did. And randall became a much better QB as he got older, hurt, and lost alot of what he had. Maybe the same happens for Vick.

Let me also reiterate that I never once said that the Eagles were right. Or Wrong. Just giving my opinions on the plyaers straight up. But fact is, this is weird, and this is why I dont put the possibility of Vick being the Eagles future QB to the side like its stupid.

Vick is a free agent. The Eagles, as dumb as they are, cant POSSIBLY be discarding an entire season of building the future and letting Kolb learn in a year they wont win anyway (perfect time) to showcase michael Vick so he can find a new home as a starting QB next year.

I really am starting to think the Eagles brass and Reid decided in the last couple days that Michael Vick was going to be the QB of the future for the Philadelphia Eagles. There cant be any other reason, can there?

What the fuck do they care if Vick gets another big contract? I think they are keeping him

Honestly, until Tuesday night I felt that was EXACTLY what Reid was doing. He had taken a major risk to help this guy turn his life around. To change him as a person, as a player, as a human being. Hoping maybe the same could happen for his junkie piece of shit sons. He gave him a job when nobody else would. He kept him on, never waivered from the guy.

And then I thought Detroit was Andys way of showcasing Vick to help this guy get a starting job in the NFL next season. Because to be honest, I dont think anyone wouldve signed him as a starter for starter money if he just rode the bench all year. And he wouldve had to take the backup route again. I even thought for awhile that Andy might start him again at Jacksonville, saying he was taking an extra precaution with Kolbs head injury. I figured Jax is another cream puff for Vick to beat up on, then back to Kolb the rest of the year. Those 2 games wouldve given Vick a huge bargaining chip from free agency time.

But when he named him the starter for the year...I was like WTF???

[Snoogans]

Honestly, until Tuesday night I felt that was EXACTLY what Reid was doing. He had taken a major risk to help this guy turn his life around. To change him as a person, as a player, as a human being. Hoping maybe the same could happen for his junkie piece of shit sons. He gave him a job when nobody else would. He kept him on, never waivered from the guy.

And then I thought Detroit was Andys way of showcasing Vick to help this guy get a starting job in the NFL next season. Because to be honest, I dont think anyone wouldve signed him as a starter for starter money if he just rode the bench all year. And he wouldve had to take the backup route again. I even thought for awhile that Andy might start him again at Jacksonville, saying he was taking an extra precaution with Kolbs head injury. I figured Jax is another cream puff for Vick to beat up on, then back to Kolb the rest of the year. Those 2 games wouldve given Vick a huge bargaining chip from free agency time.

But when he named him the starter for the year...I was like WTF???

yea i think Vick is your future

[TripleSkeet]

yea i think Vick is your future

I just cant get away from them. :glurps:

[Kevin]

I just cant get away from them. :glurps:



Black QBs and shitty goalies, thats what Philly do..

[TripleSkeet]

Black QBs and shitty goalies, thats what Philly do..

I hear this russian goalie we got is pretty good. And Leighton played over his head last year.

[Kevin]

I hear this russian goalie we got is pretty good. And Leighton played over his head last year.



True, but you can't deny that my statement has been historicaly true..

Biron had a decent yr or 2 after he went to you from Buff..

[spoon]

1. I dont think Vick is a bum...at all. I just dont think he gives us any more of a chance to win then McNabb did. Which brings me to point ..

2. So the Eagles supposedly had decided (correctly in my opinion) they didnt have the bullets to try and reload, so now it was time to rebuild. Most of the offense was in place. This season would be for getting the new QBs feet wet and getting used to his weapons,...NOT FOR TRYING TO WIN A SUPER BOWL. Then through the draft and FA we try to build the offensive line and defense so we can try for that Bowl run in 2-3 years.

But, but 30-35 tds and 12-15 ints surely seems like a TOP 3 QB in this league and hardly looks like the stats of a team "rebuilding". You're pissed at an organization bc it has/is adjusting on the fly to a situation that came up, it wasn't some ulterior motive Reid schemed up to help Vick reset his career. I guess in 2-3 years afer getting his feet wet with 35 tds Kolb would be up to the Brady/Manning career year (NFL record territory) 50 td range huh?

3. Thats what pisses me off most. Detroit sucks dick. Not even counting Vicks play the fact they were in this game and doing what they were doing should show you right there this group isnt going to any kind of Bowl, unless its the toilet. So the fact they abandoned the whole plan, turned everything upside down and turned this team into a circus YET AGAIN, its just annoying. Im over them. Ill always root for the jersey but personally I think they just fucked up their next 3 years at least.

Detroit isn't this terrible team who just gets taken out week in and week out any longer. In fact, they pretty much beat a Chicago team that now gets a lot of love, and almost knocked off the Eagles last week. On O they have Best, Stafford (when healthy), Johnson and others. Now with the additions of Su and others on D, they are getting to be a talented team in need of time together and the new coach's system to set in.

4. As good as Vick is, was or will be, you gotta be insane to say hes better then Randall. Theres a reason they called that guy The Ultimate Weapon.

Really? He's better than Vick bc of a terrible contrived nickname bc he had speed and could throw the ball a ton but not to anyone on his team? I guess this means "Sanchize" is better than Brady too bc he has a nick too.

[spoon]

Black QBs and shitty goalies, thats what Philly do..

Wow, fucking awful. What the hell happened to u?! You used to be a little off, but now ur just idiotic overall.

[spoon]

As for the situation at hand, is Kolb REALLY the answer? What has he truly showed? And who is to say the Philly brass aren't actually showcasing the Vick NOW, bc it wasn't the fucking plan when Kolb got concussed! Let's just dump this consp theory, bc Reid has no real choice there and now BC of the Philly fan base, there is a qb conflict. If they chose Kolb and lost, half cry about it. If they go with Vick and win some but not the whole thing, half cry now and everyone later as if they were against it forever. It's very well possible they are showcasing Vick to trade for some protection and picks THIS year, or as snoogans guesses, Vick is who they see as the future now. Let's not forget, he is only 30. For a Qb who wasn't hit for 2 years he has plenty of time left to go after it.

[Snacks]

As for the situation at hand, is Kolb REALLY the answer? What has he truly showed? And who is to say the Philly brass aren't actually showcasing the Vick NOW, bc it wasn't the fucking plan when Kolb got concussed! Let's just dump this consp theory, bc Reid has no real choice there and now BC of the Philly fan base, there is a qb conflict. If they chose Kolb and lost, half cry about it. If they go with Vick and win some but not the whole thing, half cry now and everyone later as if they were against it forever. It's very well possible they are showcasing Vick to trade for some protection and picks THIS year, or as snoogans guesses, Vick is who they see as the future now. Let's not forget, he is only 30. For a Qb who wasn't hit for 2 years he has plenty of time left to go after it.

Thats all I was saying was Kolb hasnt done anything and people are getting pissed? He had 1 awful game this year, 1 great game last year against a shitty KC team and 1 game against the saints were they got killed but he threw for a ton of yards but also got picked 3 times! Maybe Vick will be their future? I ont know but Vick has proven to be a pretty good QB. He brought Atl to the NFC title game. He reminds me of Randall Cunningham. He can throw a beautiful pass and can run. As he is getting older he will stay in the pocket more and run less but has the legs to help when needed.

He has looked great throwing the ball so far and is the highest rated QB right now passing. Throw in 140 yards rushing so far and they may sign him long term!

[Kevin]

Wow, fucking awful. What the hell happened to u?! You used to be a little off, but now ur just idiotic overall.



Christ dude wtf happend to you?

When the fuck did you become just an overall DMM angry buzz kill?

All you do now is troll for a certain few people's posts and see what you can nitpick into attacking jokes.

Soccer sucks, so let me spend the entire WC bashing it and kill the mood for people that want to watch.

This guy sucks so let me spend the night looking at their posts and attacking them.



We were all fucking around here and having a decent time at it.

If you think we suck, good for you. stop reading our posts.











Awaiting typical angry raaaaaaaaaaar
me angry, me show you that you are stupid you are gay blah blah response that i am sure is to follow, that i won't even bother to read.

[Kevin]

Thats all I was saying was Kolb hasnt done anything and people are getting pissed? He had 1 awful game this year, 1 great game last year against a shitty KC team and 1 game against the saints were they got killed but he threw for a ton of yards but also got picked 3 times! Maybe Vick will be their future? I ont know but Vick has proven to be a pretty good QB. He brought Atl to the NFC title game. He reminds me of Randall Cunningham. He can throw a beautiful pass and can run. As he is getting older he will stay in the pocket more and run less but has the legs to help when needed.

He has looked great throwing the ball so far and is the highest rated QB right now passing. Throw in 140 yards rushing so far and they may sign him long term!



The point that I think Philly Fans are trying to say is..

They arent going anywhere this year, so why not give this kid, who you commited to this year.

If he sucks, you move on and see if you can draft or trade for a QB.

What this Vick thing is is just a latteral move for the Org.

Even if vick plays well, he is going to be 31 and with the way he plays, he is not last long.

This is just a bandaid on a big wound.

QB spot is your key spot, try and fix it.

Every Young Qb blows at the start, you ride him out.

You don't give a guy 2 games and trash him.

Obviously he has ability if other teams started calling for him within minutes of your Vick announcement.

[disneyspy]

vick is amazing and is almost as great as michigans freshman QB

[TripleSkeet]

People are pissed because was never given a chance to sink or swim. If you are gonna hand the starting job to a QB, you dont pull the plug after 1/2 of a fucking football game. If every head coach did that most QBs wouldnt have a fucking career.

What arent you guys getting???? We dont give a fuck about winning this year! We want to build the team. And we dont feel Vick is the franchise QB weve been waiting for. Thats all. We dont know if Kolb is. He might turn out to be dogshit. But I wanna see the guy play for a season before determining that. Not 1 fucking game.

Nobody said Kolb was great. When I said I thought he would have 30 TDs this year, I meant it. But that was what I THOUGHT. I wasnt guaranteeing it. And yes you could have 30 TDs in a rebuilding year if your offensive weapons are good but your defense is complete shit...which they are.

I cant believe Kev is the only one that gets it.

And Spoon, 2 things...

1. Detroit is fucking garbage. FUCK-ING GARBAGE. Youll see this week when they come crashing down to Earth. Well see how good that offense is against a real defense.

2. Randall Cunningham just had a flashy nickname? Really? If it werent for him Mike Vick would have been wide reciever. He redefined the position. Had the striongest arm in the league, scrambles that were just as good if not better then Vick, and has a 99 yard punt under his belt. If Randall hadnt gotten hurt or actually got some coaching he wouldve been untouchable. Thats the one fault I had with Buddy. He shouldve brought in an offensive coach to actually teach Randall, instead of his philosophy of "Make 7 good plays and let the defense take care of the rest."

[Snoogans]

People are pissed because was never given a chance to sink or swim. If you are gonna hand the starting job to a QB, you dont pull the plug after 1/2 of a fucking football game. If every head coach did that most QBs wouldnt have a fucking career.

What arent you guys getting???? We dont give a fuck about winning this year! We want to build the team. And we dont feel Vick is the franchise QB weve been waiting for. Thats all. We dont know if Kolb is. He might turn out to be dogshit. But I wanna see the guy play for a season before determining that. Not 1 fucking game.

Nobody said Kolb was great. When I said I thought he would have 30 TDs this year, I meant it. But that was what I THOUGHT. I wasnt guaranteeing it. And yes you could have 30 TDs in a rebuilding year if your offensive weapons are good but your defense is complete shit...which they are.

I cant believe Kev is the only one that gets it.

And Spoon, 2 things...

1. Detroit is fucking garbage. FUCK-ING GARBAGE. Youll see this week when they come crashing down to Earth. Well see how good that offense is against a real defense.

2. Randall Cunningham just had a flashy nickname? Really? If it werent for him Mike Vick would have been wide reciever. He redefined the position. Had the striongest arm in the league, scrambles that were just as good if not better then Vick, and has a 99 yard punt under his belt. If Randall hadnt gotten hurt or actually got some coaching he wouldve been untouchable. Thats the one fault I had with Buddy. He shouldve brought in an offensive coach to actually teach Randall, instead of his philosophy of "Make 7 good plays and let the defense take care of the rest."

again, the guys Randall was running against and getting hit by werent as big, fast or strong as the guys in the league now. Not even close. And before randall got hurt, yea he had a huge arm, but he wasnt as good a passer as Vick. He became a better passer once he had no choice but to work on it, but he didnt pass like Vick before the injuries. And Randall had 2 really good WRs, better than Vick has ever had.

And Kevin, how can you say Kevin Kolb to a former pro bowl QB who took his team to a conf champ game is a lateral move. That might be the dumbest comment in this thread. Whatever Kolb ends up being would take a couple years anyway. It took vick a couple plays to get it rolling. You cant possibly call it a lateral move.

Thats what makes me think they are keeping Vick. Spoon brought up a good point that they are gonna possibly let Vick play the next 2 games, trade him (since he is up anyway) and get something for him instead of him walkin for nothing. Either that or they love what they see from vick and are going to keep him. But regardless, lets not act like Vick isnt better than Kevin Kolb. In the future, you cant say, but right now, its not even an argument

[Snoogans]

you should also be happy TS. This is the first time I ever liked an Eagle. I even liked McNabb at Cuse and as soon as he went to Philly, hated him.

Now, because Andy Reid is a dope and Kevin Kolb is a bum, I end up liking the eagles new starting QB. Fuckin faggots. Get your shit together. Vick should be in Arizona where I could happily root for him

[Kevin]

again, the guys Randall was running against and getting hit by werent as big, fast or strong as the guys in the league now. Not even close. And before randall got hurt, yea he had a huge arm, but he wasnt as good a passer as Vick. He became a better passer once he had no choice but to work on it, but he didnt pass like Vick before the injuries. And Randall had 2 really good WRs, better than Vick has ever had.

And Kevin, how can you say Kevin Kolb to a former pro bowl QB who took his team to a conf champ game is a lateral move. That might be the dumbest comment in this thread. Whatever Kolb ends up being would take a couple years anyway. It took vick a couple plays to get it rolling. You cant possibly call it a lateral move.

Thats what makes me think they are keeping Vick. Spoon brought up a good point that they are gonna possibly let Vick play the next 2 games, trade him (since he is up anyway) and get something for him instead of him walkin for nothing. Either that or they love what they see from vick and are going to keep him. But regardless, lets not act like Vick isnt better than Kevin Kolb. In the future, you cant say, but right now, its not even an argument



Its a Lat move because he has a wreckless style and is going be 31.

I don't think there is a future there.

You are not winning this year anyway, so give the kid a full year.

If he totaly stinks, then you know.

Vick took an absolout shot by GB in the sidelines.

Then got run shy.

No one is saying the wont be better this year without Vick.

But what's the point.

[Snoogans]

Its a Lat move because he has a wreckless style and is going be 31.

I don't think there is a future there.

You are not winning this year anyway, so give the kid a full year.

If he totaly stinks, then you know.

Vick took an absolout shot by GB in the sidelines.

Then got run shy.

No one is saying the wont be better this year without Vick.

But what's the point.

Im gonna address a few things. One, he didnt get run shy. If you watched the Lions game, thats nonsense. Reid probably told him to be careful and thats why he stopped running so much in that game. Cuae he had no problem running in game 2.
Also, in general, he isnt running as much as he did in Atlanta. He seems more prepared, seems to know better what he is seeing, and is tryin to be a QB first. The line just isnt leaving him much choice.
Also, yea he is 30, but remember he hasnt taken hits in 2 years. That means ALOT. The shot he took on the sideline really wasnt much more than all the shots eli was taking again Indy. QBs take hits. Does he take more cause he is running, sure, but he seems to be a little better at going out of bounds and not taking them. He was tryin to score on that one play vs GB is why.

He is a QB coming off 2 years off, with fresh legs and probably as prepared as he has ever been. When Cunningham was like 36 he had a MONSTER year in Minnie. Vick has another 3-5 years left without a major injury. And with that O Line, Kolb already got hurt. Vick still hasnt. So how can you base the main point on Vick is gonna get hurt and is too fragile. You know who is fragile? Matt Stafford. Vick has been pretty fuckin tough most of his career. The only major injury I can think of is that broken leg. that was 1 year. and he came back from that like a beast

[spoon]

Christ dude wtf happend to you?

Now ur stealing lines IMMEDIATELY?! Nice work fucktard.

When the fuck did you become just an overall DMM angry buzz kill?

Second, I'm making pretty solid points versus saying Philly has a history of black qbs and saying you can't deny it as if that's some amazing fucking point. Unlike a dog you see color...WOW. I guess that Albanian myth has been BUSTED!

All you do now is troll for a certain few people's posts and see what you can nitpick into attacking jokes.

This is the classic bitch line of a guy who can't take the heat. Keep crying Kev, who sounds like DMM of the past now? I say past bc he changed for the better, you sound like a dumb fucking bitch with unfounded confidence. I just don't get this new act.

Soccer sucks, so let me spend the entire WC bashing it and kill the mood for people that want to watch.

Yah, here's the attempt to get Snoogans on my side! Classic and funny shit. Soccer does suck and I had FUN with the thread, but also fucking watched idiot. I'm far from a fan, but had fun with the WC you dummy.

This guy sucks so let me spend the night looking at their posts and attacking them.

Almost hit it. It's actually, here's a stupid post that makes no fucking sense/here's kevin making a loose attack on me SO I RESPOND. Did/do you really think I check all 18k of your posts or just happen to be in the same FUCKING THREADS!? Again, this is a whiny Tenbats bitch out tactic. So congrats on taking the same route you little bitch!


We were all fucking around here and having a decent time at it.

If you think we suck, good for you. stop reading our posts.

WHO IS THIS WE!? I'm talking to you right now, I guess you are the thread's representative?! I fucking have it out/argue with plenty others all the time, including Snacks, TS and Snoogs on here, hell even in this thread. The only dif is they come back with their counterpoints, not a sob-fest filled post trying to link everyone to their thoughts by speaking for everyone. WE think Kev is an idiot! We think Kev needs to stop putting on this act. And by we I mean ME! See how dumb that looks? If not, I believe you.










Awaiting typical angry raaaaaaaaaaar
me angry, me show you that you are stupid you are gay blah blah response that i am sure is to follow, that i won't even bother to read.

Again, you continue to put this in another world so you don't have to back up your comically retarded posts and or attempts at a commanding presence. Here's a clue, you'll DEFINITELY read this and they will continue as long as I see dead people. For a guy who has know me and what I get a kick out of on this board for years, you realy are clueless. Am I angry, HA! Am I loving this and having fun watching you in your newly elected position as speaker of the board/thread?! Absolutely. We truly appreciate this new Kev...:flush:

[Kevin]

Im gonna address a few things. One, he didnt get run shy. If you watched the Lions game, thats nonsense. Reid probably told him to be careful and thats why he stopped running so much in that game. Cuae he had no problem running in game 2.
Also, in general, he isnt running as much as he did in Atlanta. He seems more prepared, seems to know better what he is seeing, and is tryin to be a QB first. The line just isnt leaving him much choice.
Also, yea he is 30, but remember he hasnt taken hits in 2 years. That means ALOT. The shot he took on the sideline really wasnt much more than all the shots eli was taking again Indy. QBs take hits. Does he take more cause he is running, sure, but he seems to be a little better at going out of bounds and not taking them. He was tryin to score on that one play vs GB is why.

He is a QB coming off 2 years off, with fresh legs and probably as prepared as he has ever been. When Cunningham was like 36 he had a MONSTER year in Minnie. Vick has another 3-5 years left without a major injury. And with that O Line, Kolb already got hurt. Vick still hasnt. So how can you base the main point on Vick is gonna get hurt and is too fragile. You know who is fragile? Matt Stafford. Vick has been pretty fuckin tough most of his career. The only major injury I can think of is that broken leg. that was 1 year. and he came back from that like a beast



I personally don't think he will last longer than 3..

But say its 3.. What if there is a lockout and lasts a year, thats another year off.

But maybe this dick would cross the picket line because he needs to get paid...

Maybe the Eagles win a SB with Vick killing scab bums.

[Snacks]

People are pissed because was never given a chance to sink or swim. If you are gonna hand the starting job to a QB, you dont pull the plug after 1/2 of a fucking football game. If every head coach did that most QBs wouldnt have a fucking career.

What arent you guys getting???? We dont give a fuck about winning this year! We want to build the team. And we dont feel Vick is the franchise QB weve been waiting for. Thats all. We dont know if Kolb is. He might turn out to be dogshit. But I wanna see the guy play for a season before determining that. Not 1 fucking game.

Nobody said Kolb was great. When I said I thought he would have 30 TDs this year, I meant it. But that was what I THOUGHT. I wasnt guaranteeing it. And yes you could have 30 TDs in a rebuilding year if your offensive weapons are good but your defense is complete shit...which they are.

I cant believe Kev is the only one that gets it.

And Spoon, 2 things...

1. Detroit is fucking garbage. FUCK-ING GARBAGE. Youll see this week when they come crashing down to Earth. Well see how good that offense is against a real defense.

2. Randall Cunningham just had a flashy nickname? Really? If it werent for him Mike Vick would have been wide reciever. He redefined the position. Had the striongest arm in the league, scrambles that were just as good if not better then Vick, and has a 99 yard punt under his belt. If Randall hadnt gotten hurt or actually got some coaching he wouldve been untouchable. Thats the one fault I had with Buddy. He shouldve brought in an offensive coach to actually teach Randall, instead of his philosophy of "Make 7 good plays and let the defense take care of the rest."

So let me get this straight. You hate a guy like Reid who has a .616 winning % for your team, went to the Super Bowl, went to 4 NFC championships, won the division 7 times, Is the winningest coach in your teams history, and every year gives you a chance to win, has 8 winning seasons, 2 losings seasons and 1 .500 season. But you liked a guy who is barely over .500, never won a playoff game, and only won the division 1 time?

Same thing as with Cunningham. I loved Randall but its comical you can defend him but not Mcnabb. Mcnabb destroys Randall in passing yards for philly and only has 1000 less rushing yards. Mcnabb also has 1 of the best td to int ratios and kills Randall in passing td's. Randall 150 td - 105 int. Mcnabb 216 td - 100 ints. Randall 1-4 in the playoffs. Mcnabb 9-7. They both played 11 seasons in Philly

How could you complain about Mcnabb? It still amazes me. The guy was a winner but not every QB can win a title. Only 1 team a year wins. Most fans would be happy with just a chance and to have someone like McNabb. I agree he is a bitch at times but he is a winning QB with potential hall of fame #'s (I actually think he will get in no problem).

Snoogans maybe you are right about everything you say about Philly fans? Im starting to understand your point!

[Snoogans]

I personally don't think he will last longer than 3..

But say its 3.. What if there is a lockout and lasts a year, thats another year off.

But maybe this dick would cross the picket line because he needs to get paid...

Maybe the Eagles win a SB with Vick killing scab bums.

Vick is making like 6 mill i think this year. Im pretty sure he isnt crossing anything.
and its a year off of getting hit is all it is. A year in age for a QB who is only 30 isnt that much. you act like his career is definately over at 33. He is 30 but has only played like 6 years. His body is still really young. You cant put that aside like it doesnt matter. Look at what a wonder a year or so off did for Ricky Williams body. He looks fresher now than he did before he left.

[Snoogans]

So let me get this straight. You hate a guy like Reid who has a .616 winning % for your team, went to the Super Bowl, went to 4 NFC championships, won the division 7 times, Is the winningest coach in your teams history, and every year gives you a chance to win, has 8 winning seasons, 2 losings seasons and 1 .500 season. But you liked a guy who is barely over .500, never won a playoff game, and only won the division 1 time?

Same thing as with Cunningham. I loved Randall but its comical you cna defend him but not Mcnabb. Mcnabb destroys Randall in passing yards for philly and only has 400 less rushing yards. Mcnabb also has 1 of the best td to int ratios and kills Randall in passing td's. Randall 150 td - 105 int. Mcnabb 216 td - 100 ints. Randall 1-4 in the playoffs. Mcnabb 9-7.

How could you complain about Mcnabb? It still amazes me. The guy was a winner but not every QB can win a title. Only 1 team a year wins. Most fans would be happy with just a chance and to have someone like McNabb. I agree he is a bitch at times but he is a winning QB with potential hall of fame #'s (I actually think he will get in no problem).

Snoogans maybe you are right about everything you say about Philly fans? Im starting to understand your point!

HA. In fairness to TS, we were comparing Randall and Vick, not McNabb. But he is going way overboard on Randall anyway

[spoon]

People are pissed because was never given a chance to sink or swim. If you are gonna hand the starting job to a QB, you dont pull the plug after 1/2 of a fucking football game. If every head coach did that most QBs wouldnt have a fucking career.

What arent you guys getting???? We dont give a fuck about winning this year! We want to build the team. And we dont feel Vick is the franchise QB weve been waiting for. Thats all. We dont know if Kolb is. He might turn out to be dogshit. But I wanna see the guy play for a season before determining that. Not 1 fucking game.

Nobody said Kolb was great. When I said I thought he would have 30 TDs this year, I meant it. But that was what I THOUGHT. I wasnt guaranteeing it. And yes you could have 30 TDs in a rebuilding year if your offensive weapons are good but your defense is complete shit...which they are.

I cant believe Kev is the only one that gets it.

And Spoon, 2 things...

1. Detroit is fucking garbage. FUCK-ING GARBAGE. Youll see this week when they come crashing down to Earth. Well see how good that offense is against a real defense.

2. Randall Cunningham just had a flashy nickname? Really? If it werent for him Mike Vick would have been wide reciever. He redefined the position. Had the striongest arm in the league, scrambles that were just as good if not better then Vick, and has a 99 yard punt under his belt. If Randall hadnt gotten hurt or actually got some coaching he wouldve been untouchable. Thats the one fault I had with Buddy. He shouldve brought in an offensive coach to actually teach Randall, instead of his philosophy of "Make 7 good plays and let the defense take care of the rest."

Again with the we thing. I'm sorry TS, but you KNOW the philly fan-base is pretty split by this call right?! I AM FROM PA and have heard both sides of this story plenty by friends and family and honestly it's not even decided just yet so WE all can't complain or know just yet. All WE can do is speculate, but surely WE all aren't on the same page as to what is right for the organization. It could be they are actually showcasing Vick, planning on going with him, seeing IF they can go with Vick, protecting Kolb bc he is coming off one fucking week due to a concussion (and with his mobility, experience and that line not such a bad idea if he's the future), or simply going to play this whole year week by week trying to be competitive, especially since Reid may be coaching to save his job.

All these and many more can be the reason or REASONS behind the move. I for one say it's too early to say they are doing anything for sure. Hell, two weeks ago the plan was for a fresh faced QB to start and toss a paltry 35 tds in a rebuilding year! His learning year was cut short bc of a completely shitty O-line and the resulting injury, so I guess you'll have to settle for a vet like Vick who I guess should throw 40+ tds bc of the O weapons and he's not so inexperienced. :lol:

[Snoogans]

Again with the we thing. I'm sorry TS, but you KNOW the philly fan-base is pretty split by this call right?! I AM FROM PA and have heard both sides of this story plenty by friends and family and honestly it's not even decided just yet so WE all can't complain or know just yet. All WE can do is speculate, but surely WE all aren't on the same page as to what is right for the organization. It could be they are actually showcasing Vick, planning on going with him, seeing IF they can go with Vick, protecting Kolb bc he is coming off one fucking week due to a concussion (and with his mobility, experience and that line not such a bad idea if he's the future), or simply going to play this whole year week by week trying to be competitive, especially since Reid may be coaching to save his job.

All these and many more can be the reason or REASONS behind the move. I for one say it's too early to say they are doing anything for sure. Hell, two weeks ago the plan was for a fresh faced QB to start and toss a paltry 35 tds in a rebuilding year! His learning year was cut short bc of a completely shitty O-line and the resulting injury, so I guess you'll have to settle for a vet like Vick who I guess should throw 40+ tds bc of the O weapons and he's not so inexperienced. :lol:

40+ td's, 8-10 INT, 1000 yards rushing is fair expectations for Vick

[Kevin]

Vick is making like 6 mill i think this year. Im pretty sure he isnt crossing anything.
and its a year off of getting hit is all it is. A year in age for a QB who is only 30 isnt that much. you act like his career is definately over at 33. He is 30 but has only played like 6 years. His body is still really young. You cant put that aside like it doesnt matter. Look at what a wonder a year or so off did for Ricky Williams body. He looks fresher now than he did before he left.



Fair point on RW.

But RW is much bigger and is better equipped to take shots than Vick is.

But yea, The time off did help Rickey alot.

[Snacks]

HA. In fairness to TS, we were comparing Randall and Vick, not McNabb. But he is going way overboard on Randall anyway

I know but Im saying in general since we were discussing Kolb all preseason til now he has stated how h hates Mcnabb and Mcnabb isnt a winner blah blah blah.

[Snoogans]

Fair point on RW.

But RW is much bigger and is better equipped to take shots than Vick is.

But yea, The time off did help Rickey alot.

look how long McNair played, taking hits far worse than Vick takes cause Mcnair couldnt make guys miss. He never got a break, he fuckin went on the field hurt all the time. Why cant Vick play 5 more years?

[Kevin]

look how long McNair played, taking hits far worse than Vick takes cause Mcnair couldnt make guys miss. He never got a break, he fuckin went on the field hurt all the time. Why cant Vick play 5 more years?



Mcnair was a tough sob who played through a ton of shit...

Do we know that Vick is as tough as he is?

Not many are.

[Snoogans]

Mcnair was a tough sob who played through a ton of shit...

Do we know that Vick is as tough as he is?

Not many are.

do we know vick cant play more than 8 seasons? its not like he has been in the league for fuckin 14 years already. and everyone in the NFL is pretty tough except bob sanders. Vicks 1 major injury was a helmet to the shin that broke his leg. Its not like he is hurt every single week

[Kevin]

and everyone in the NFL is pretty tough except bob sanders.



Your boy Jacobs begs to differ..

[spoon]

can we get the argument back on track?

in reality, this is an argument on why the Philly brass are going with Vick right now?

Senario #1
They very well could be ready to use up Vick and have him RUN WILD for a year and let him go giving Kolb another year to get ready, get healthy now (bc we may not know how bad he really is) and give the eagles time to revamp that line to protect the guy they feel may be their future qb.

Senario #2
They possibly are actually experimenting with going with Vick for the near future (3-5 years) if he can continue to make plays, pass better (as he has so far) and lead this team against better teams coming up. It's a plan they can adjust with and even dump within this year if needed, which they can't do next year if they let Vick go...which would surely happen if they go with Kolb this year. This is where TS is REALLY WRONG! Vick will ABSOLUTELY be picked up to start with at least 5-8 teams waiting in the wings (Clev, Zona, Oak, Buf, KC?, Jax? and more).

Senario #3
Kevin actually crosses the picket line in 2011 to play QB for the Eagles as both Kolb and Vick stay true to the union! Kevin finally builds up enough money to pay his 15 year old bet/debt to spoon but is put in a coma by Dash before he can pay for being a scab.

[TripleSkeet]

God, so many points to straighten the fuck out...

1. Donovan McNabb was a better QB then Randall. Absolutely. McNabb was a much better passer and better at reading defenses. They were both extremely athletic...Randall probably more so. The thing Randall had that McNabb doesnt is heart. And of course you can debate that all you want. Thats my opinion. When the chips are down he rolls up the tent and gives up. Fuck him. Also, for all my beliefs about blacks being inferior at the QB position Randall Cunningham is my all time favorite QB. Weird huh? Doesnt change how I feel.

2. Andy Reid is a better coach then Buddy Ryan. Doesnt mean I have to like him. I hate his personality. I hate alot of his play calling. And I cant stand his smugness. Buddy had balls. He didnt give a fuck about anybody and said exactly what he felt. He ran up the score against the Cowboys and enjoyed it. I loved that personality and always will. Id love to see how these two coaches records would have looked if Buddies teams got to play the NFC east when it was a fucking cream puff division like it was most of Andys career here and how Andys record wouldve looked had he had to coach against the Giants, Skins and Cowboys when they were ALL winning Super Bowls like it was fucking nothing. But Im sure that has nothing to do with their records. 10-6 and they didnt make the playoffs Buddies last year. Not to mention Buddy had an owner that was so cheap he wouldnt even pay REGGIE FUCKING WHITE IN HIS PRIME.

3. Vick got hit 17 TIMES against Detroit. He doesnt know how to slide. Its been documented. They even had Terry Pendleton come into Atlanta to try and teach him and he couldnt do it. If that keeps up theres no way he lasts this season. Which is another reason they arent trading him OR Kolb. If they traded him for some immediate help after the next game or 2 I would love it. But I just dont beluieve thats gonna happen.

4. I know the Philly fan base is split. When I say "we" I am speaking about the fans who were against this move. The reason Im doing this is because people are asking WHY we dont like it. And WHY we wanted Kolb over Vick. Im not claiming to speak for all Eagles fans, just the ones that have the same viewpoint as me. Ill be the first to say half the Eagles fans are fucking morons and dont know shit about football. Like the ones that think this move is going to take them to a Super Bowl now because "the NFC looks weak". After 2 weeks. Fucking retards.

5. Spoon see what you said about them showcasing Vick and protecting Kolb? That very well may be true. But then all he had to say was he was starting Vick another week to be extra careful with Kolb, instead of basically saying hes on the bench from now on. That kids worthless now. And if they were gonna bring him back now wouldve been the week to do it as Jacksonville is atrocious.

6. Snoogans "again, the guys Randall was running against and getting hit by werent as big, fast or strong as the guys in the league now."

Ill let Bruce Smith, LT, Ronnie Lott and Mike Singletary know.

[Kevin]

On Tenbats Jets excuse on Edwards..

You can suspend a guy as long as you want as long as you pay him.

So that argument goes out the window.

This he is not starting nonsense is nothing but window dressing BS.

[Snoogans]

God, so many points to straighten the fuck out...

1. Donovan McNabb was a better QB then Randall. Absolutely. McNabb was a much better passer and better at reading defenses. They were both extremely athletic...Randall probably more so. The thing Randall had that McNabb doesnt is heart. And of course you can debate that all you want. Thats my opinion. When the chips are down he rolls up the tent and gives up. Fuck him. Also, for all my beliefs about blacks being inferior at the QB position Randall Cunningham is my all time favorite QB. Weird huh? Doesnt change how I feel.

2. Andy Reid is a better coach then Buddy Ryan. Doesnt mean I have to like him. I hate his personality. I hate alot of his play calling. And I cant stand his smugness. Buddy had balls. He didnt give a fuck about anybody and said exactly what he felt. He ran up the score against the Cowboys and enjoyed it. I loved that personality and always will. Id love to see how these two coaches records would have looked if Buddies teams got to play the NFC east when it was a fucking cream puff division like it was most of Andys career here and how Andys record wouldve looked had he had to coach against the Giants, Skins and Cowboys when they were ALL winning Super Bowls like it was fucking nothing. But Im sure that has nothing to do with their records. 10-6 and they didnt make the playoffs Buddies last year. Not to mention Buddy had an owner that was so cheap he wouldnt even pay REGGIE FUCKING WHITE IN HIS PRIME.

3. Vick got hit 17 TIMES against Detroit. He doesnt know how to slide. Its been documented. They even had Terry Pendleton come into Atlanta to try and teach him and he couldnt do it. If that keeps up theres no way he lasts this season. Which is another reason they arent trading him OR Kolb. If they traded him for some immediate help after the next game or 2 I would love it. But I just dont beluieve thats gonna happen.

4. I know the Philly fan base is split. When I say "we" I am speaking about the fans who were against this move. The reason Im doing this is because people are asking WHY we dont like it. And WHY we wanted Kolb over Vick. Im not claiming to sopeak for all Eagles fans, just the ones that have the same viewpoint as me. Ill be the first to say hlaf the Eagles fans are fucking morons and dont know shit about football. Like the ones that think this move is going to take them to a Super Bowl now because "the NFC looks weak". After 2 weeks. Fucking retards.

5. Spoon see what you said about them showcasing Vick and protecting Kolb? That very well may be true. But then all he had to say was he was starting Vick another week to be extra careful with Kolb, instead of basically saying hes on the bench from now on. That kids worthless now. And if they were gonna bring him back now wouldve been the week to do it as Jacksonville is atrocious.

6. Snoogans


Ill let Bruce Smith, LT, Ronnie Lott and Mike Singletary know.

1- i never once mentioned Vick and slide. I said gettin OB more, avoiding shit. I never said slide, you just brought that in now

you just named the 4 best guys in the league basically. Almost everyone in the league today is the same size as those guys. Those were most of the only big guys in the league then.


and how the fuck is Kolb worthless? A bunch of teams asked about him. Its a few fuckin games. He had a concussion and is still really young. You already just gave up completely on Kolb? Because he got hurt once?

[Snoogans]

On Tenbats Jets excuse on Edwards..

You can suspend a guy as long as you want as long as you pay him.

So that argument goes out the window.

This he is not starting nonsense is nothing but window dressing BS.

umm, you arent allowed to suspend him. You arent allowed to even deactivate him. You can decide to bench him. But thats not a suspension. He has to be active for the game unless he gets hurt. Read something

[Kevin]

umm, you arent allowed to suspend him. You arent allowed to even deactivate him. You can decide to bench him. But thats not a suspension. He has to be active for the game unless he gets hurt. Read something



Thats not what i just heard.

You can do it as long as you pay him..

[spoon]

1- i never once mentioned Vick and slide. I said gettin OB more, avoiding shit. I never said slide, you just brought that in now

you just named the 4 best guys in the league basically. Almost everyone in the league today is the same size as those guys. Those were most of the only big guys in the league then.


and how the fuck is Kolb worthless? A bunch of teams asked about him. Its a few fuckin games. He had a concussion and is still really young. You already just gave up completely on Kolb? Because he got hurt once?

The other thing is that TS thinks this is the week to bring him back bc of the MATCHUP!? Perhaps Kolb IS banged up still and claiming Vick is the starter now versus Kolb is having some issues is actually PROTECTING Kolb's value on the market. I'm not buying that he has to play this game even if healthy, ESPECIALLY with the way Vick is playing. They are feeling out a situation rightfully so bc he's a free agent at the end of the year. The time to do it is now, not after 4 weeks of Kolb throwing up picks and the Eagle fans going nuts to get Vick back in.

[Snoogans]

Thats not what i just heard.

You can do it as long as you pay him..

you heard wrong then. They cant deactivate him

[TripleSkeet]

1- i never once mentioned Vick and slide. I said gettin OB more, avoiding shit. I never said slide, you just brought that in now

you just named the 4 best guys in the league basically. Almost everyone in the league today is the same size as those guys. Those were most of the only big guys in the league then.


and how the fuck is Kolb worthless? A bunch of teams asked about him. Its a few fuckin games. He had a concussion and is still really young. You already just gave up completely on Kolb? Because he got hurt once?

No thats not what I meant. But if they want to trade him now they are no longer dealing from a position of power. They arent. It looks like they dont value him so other teams arent going to give up anything decent to get him.

[Kevin]

Nevermind

I apologize.. You can't do it for an alch violation as per CBA rules.

My bad.

[Snoogans]

No thats not what I meant. But if they want to trade him now they are no longer dealing from a position of power. They arent. It looks like they dont value him so other teams arent going to give up anything decent to get him.

which is why maybe they are gonna trade Vick instead? Or maybe Vick is the future and they dont really care what value Kolb will have. How do YOU know is the point

[spoon]

Nevermind

I apologize.. You can't do it for an alch violation as per CBA rules.

My bad.

As per ur HHH discussion, READING WORKS!!! :lol:

[TripleSkeet]

The other thing is that TS thinks this is the week to bring him back bc of the MATCHUP!? Perhaps Kolb IS banged up still and claiming Vick is the starter now versus Kolb is having some issues is actually PROTECTING Kolb's value on the market. I'm not buying that he has to play this game even if healthy, ESPECIALLY with the way Vick is playing. They are feeling out a situation rightfully so bc he's a free agent at the end of the year. The time to do it is now, not after 4 weeks of Kolb throwing up picks and the Eagle fans going nuts to get Vick back in.

The motherfucker ignored the fans for years when they said he needed a reciever, why should he care now that the assholes want Vick in because he might win a few more games???

And yea I feel matchup is important. If Im bringing a guy back from an injury, and hes just about ready to go in a week where we are playing, say, Baltimores defense...and the next week we are playing St. Louis...well Im holding him off one more week. This way he has a better chance at getting into a groove, getting his timing back, and getting some confidence rather then running for his life to avoid gettibng killed his first day back. If he still has lingering effects fine, its Andy thats stresses the kid is good to go, not me.

[Kevin]

which is why maybe they are gonna trade Vick instead? Or maybe Vick is the future and they dont really care what value Kolb will have. How do YOU know is the point



WK6 is the deadline right?

Maybe he plays great and they deal him..

[Kevin]

As per ur HHH discussion, READING WORKS!!! :lol:



Yawn

[spoon]

WK6 is the deadline right?

Maybe he plays great and they deal him..

WOW! Where ever did you come up with that conclusion genius!

:wallbash:

[Snoogans]

WK6 is the deadline right?

Maybe he plays great and they deal him..

you are on to it. we have only been sayin that for a DAY AND A HALF.

[spoon]

WOW! Where ever did you come up with that conclusion genius!

:wallbash:

you are on to it. we have only been sayin that for a DAY AND A HALF.

HA! :lol:

[spoon]

it might not be right or may not get pulled off, but hell they very well may be trying to do it

welcome aboard kev! :wallbash:

[TripleSkeet]

which is why maybe they are gonna trade Vick instead? Or maybe Vick is the future and they dont really care what value Kolb will have. How do YOU know is the point

Im going by a guy that proclaimed Kolb was his starter. Traded McNabb away because of it. Had the kid start all through camp and the pre-season. And then play exactly one half football before benching him for the year. How the fuck do you make a decision like that based on Vicks performance in mop up time against Green Bay and against a team like Detroit? It baffles me.

And not just me but the media and his players. You shouldve seen Desean Jacksons face when they announced it. He was doing Daily News Live and was like... "Youre joking, right?"

[Snoogans]

Im going by a guy that proclaimed Kolb was his starter. Traded McNabb away because of it. Had the kid start all through camp and the pre-season. And then play exactly one half football before benching him for the year. How the fuck do you make a decision like that based on Vicks performance in mop up time against Green Bay and against a team like Detroit? It baffles me.

And not just me but the media and his players. You shouldve seen Desean Jacksons face when they announced it. He was doing Daily News Live and was like... "Youre joking, right?"

he didnt get BENCHED. HE GOT HURT. They traded mcnabb cause he couldnt win the SB i thought? I dont think they thought vick would come in and play like fuckin steve young? Now they have an issue, and are tryin to figure it out. Andy Reid didnt plan for this

[TripleSkeet]

you are on to it. we have only been sayin that for a DAY AND A HALF.

And if thats what happens Id be all for it, but I dont see how they can do it. But hey this is Andy Reid man, I cant figure what hes gonna do from one day to the next.

[spoon]

Im going by a guy that proclaimed Kolb was his starter. Traded McNabb away because of it. Had the kid start all through camp and the pre-season. And then play exactly one half football before benching him for the year. How the fuck do you make a decision like that based on Vicks performance in mop up time against Green Bay and against a team like Detroit? It baffles me.

And not just me but the media and his players. You shouldve seen Desean Jacksons face when they announced it. He was doing Daily News Live and was like... "Youre joking, right?"

So wait, you quoted Jackson!? So ur saying he ACTUALLY said that? I doubt that in a big way. Not to mention Jackson is the same guy who has lost balls at the goal line on sure tds by doing somersaults and cartwheels in displays of excessive, if not premature, td celebrations. I guess he's the king of great decisions and should be the guy to make the call right?! oof!

[Kevin]

you are on to it. we have only been sayin that for a DAY AND A HALF.

What are they gunna get for Vick for a half of year?

Unless somone goes down on a contender, i don't see a non contender giving up something decent for a guy that could be a FA.

[TripleSkeet]

he didnt get BENCHED. HE GOT HURT. They traded mcnabb cause he couldnt win the SB i thought? I dont think they thought vick would come in and play like fuckin steve young? Now they have an issue, and are tryin to figure it out. Andy Reid didnt plan for this

No. He got benched. He didnt play in Detroit because he got hurt. But now hes supposedly fit to play...and hes benched for the year, per Andy. This is also a guy that until now had a staunch policy of "starter do not lose their job due to injury".

And they traded McNabb because they wanted this kid to start. Im the one that said he couldnt win a Super Bowl, not the Eagles.

[Snoogans]

And if thats what happens Id be all for it, but I dont see how they can do it. But hey this is Andy Reid man, I cant figure what hes gonna do from one day to the next.

you dont see how they can do what? Trade Vick? Yea no other teams need a pro bowl caliber QB who is playin on another level right now. that would be stupid

[Snoogans]

What are they gunna get for Vick for a half of year?

Unless somone goes down on a contender, i don't see a non contender giving up something decent for a guy that could be a FA.

umm, you are aware they can work out a deal before they trade for him right? they can lock him up and then send a couple picks, player, back up QB, whatever, and have vick for the next 5 years? There is no rule against this, you are aware?

[Snoogans]

No. He got benched. He didnt play in Detroit because he got hurt. But now hes supposedly fit to play...and hes benched for the year, per Andy. This is also a guy that until now had a staunch policy of "starter do not lose their job due to injury".

And they traded McNabb because they wanted this kid to start. Im the one that said he couldnt win a Super Bowl, not the Eagles.

HOW DO YOU KNOW? How do you know that wasnt to bring up vicks value? He is starting, he is worth more, give us more now. HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS

[spoon]

And if thats what happens Id be all for it, but I dont see how they can do it. But hey this is Andy Reid man, I cant figure what hes gonna do from one day to the next.

I know one thing that's definitely in Reid's plans, eating A LOT and having a son get arrested.

As for the Vick trade thing, it may very well be the reason they picked him up as a low stock with the intention of raising his value to move him as Kolb comes into his own. He's actually a pretty big insurance chip in case Kolb isn't that good or injury prone, which at this point both are highly possible. Vick can bridge any gap to another qb if drafted or picked up later.

[TripleSkeet]

HOW DO YOU KNOW? How do you know that wasnt to bring up vicks value? He is starting, he is worth more, give us more now. HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS

How do I know what? That Kolb can play and hes been named the 2nd string quarterback for the rest of the year? I know it because ANDY REID SAID IT. How the fuck do you know whats gonna happen in the future? You dont. You go by what the coach says. And right now the fucking coach says Kevin Kolb is fit to play and Mike Vick is the starter for the rest of the year. Thats all I have to go by is what the coach says.

And I say I dont see how they can just play Vick a few games and trade him before week 6 because then if Kolb just shits the bed the rest of the year what do you do? Next year you have no starting QB. I dont see Andy as a guy who would gamble like that.

So wait, you quoted Jackson!? So ur saying he ACTUALLY said that? I doubt that in a big way. Not to mention Jackson is the same guy who has lost balls at the goal line on sure tds by doing somersaults and cartwheels in displays of excessive, if not premature, td celebrations. I guess he's the king of great decisions and should be the guy to make the call right?! oof!

Um...my point was not only did he not mention it to the player before the media, which is odd, but that they were as shocked to hear it as the fans were. And yes, I am quoting him directly. This was live on the air on Daily News Live when Michael Barkann broke the news. Jackson was a guest at the time. Im not saying he should be consulted or anything like that. Where do you get this stuff from?

[Snoogans]

How do I know what? That Kolb can play and hes been named the 2nd string quarterback for the rest of the year? I know it because ANDY REID SAID IT. How the fuck do you know whats gonna happen in the future? You dont. You go by what the coach says. And right now the fucking coach says Kevin Kolb is fit to play and Mike Vick is the starter for the rest of the year. Thats all I have to go by is what the coach says.

And I say I dont see how they can just play Vick a few games and trade him before week 6 because then if Kolb just shits the bed the rest of the year what do you do? Next year you have no starting QB. I dont see Andy as a guy who would gamble like that.



Um...my point was not only did he not mention it to the player before the media, which is odd, but that they were as shocked to hear it as the fans were. And yes, I am quoting him directly. This was live on the air on Daily News Live when Michael Barkann broke the news. Jackson was a guest at the time. Im not saying he should be consulted or anything like that. Where do you get this stuff from?

yea cause the coach is gonna be honest and tell every little detail and not try to get any leverage. NEVER GO BY WHAT THE COACH SAYS

[spoon]

If he reacted that way TS, he's a bigger ass than I thought. First he rips the guy (McNabb) who helps him put up great numbers as a kid, now he rips another guy who stepped up and helped the team win, and almost make a comeback in the GB game down a bunch bc of Kolb's awesome job.

I asked if he said it for real bc I imagined he possibly would. It's just in incredibly dumb move by a wr in a transition period for the team. You may not say he needs to be consulted, but you surely validated this hypothesis as being a strange/bad move bc this guy was perplexed and said something stupid on live tv, yes.

[spoon]

yea cause the coach is gonna be honest and tell every little detail and not try to get any leverage. NEVER GO BY WHAT THE COACH SAYS

exactly right

not to mention you go back and fourth on how you weigh ur coaches choices/rationale. he made the call to build with kolb at the beg of the year and you agreed with it so you went with it. now he's making the call to go with vick for the meantime and see what happens based on an injury and some good play, and this is questioned all out bc you don't want that. he's either your go to leader when you agree or a shithead for making a choice you don't like.

it's the same tact philly fans use with mcnabb. he's a no heart loser for not winning the super bowl, but gets no credit for helping the team get to the nfc championship multiple times and leading a playoff team every f'n year in a usually tough division. then when you say he should, most give all the credit there to the defense and others, but it's mcnabb's fault in the SB and all other losses alone. it truly is funny talking to philly fans as they pick and choose their stances making almost all their pts invalid or stretches. sorry ts, i'm not on the same page with you on mcnabb or the current qb situation at all.

[TripleSkeet]

exactly right

not to mention you go back and fourth on how you weigh ur coaches choices/rationale. he made the call to build with kolb at the beg of the year and you agreed with it so you went with it. now he's making the call to go with vick for the meantime and see what happens based on an injury and some good play, and this is questioned all out bc you don't want that. he's either your go to leader when you agree or a shithead for making a choice you don't like.

it's the same tact philly fans use with mcnabb. he's a no heart loser for not winning the super bowl, but gets no credit for helping the team get to the nfc championship multiple times and leading a playoff team every f'n year in a usually tough division. then when you say he should, most give all the credit there to the defense and others, but it's mcnabb's fault in the SB and all other losses alone. it truly is funny talking to philly fans as they pick and choose their stances making almost all their pts invalid or stretches. sorry ts, i'm not on the same page with you on mcnabb or the current qb situation at all.

1. Ive never called McNabb a loser. When I evaluate him, heart is the one thing I feel he doesnt have. I think hes a great quarterback other then that. And yes I feel the QB is the guy thats supposed to take his team, and lead them to victory. If a team gets blown out then I blame everyone at fault, but when the game is there to win, with time running out, and whats needed is a drive down the field and a touchdown...thats the quarterbacks responsibility. I defended him when they lost to Carolina because the passes were there and the recievers dropped them. But the New England and Arizona losses were him making bad decisions, shitty passes, and losing the game.

If you cant drive your team down the field in the last 2 minutes of a game to score a TD and win a game then Im sorry, but in my opinion you are not an elite quarterback. That will never change regardless of who it is or what color they are.

2. I think you taking what I said about Jackson out of context. He wasnt saying it with disgust, like he didnt agree with it. He said it out of what looked to be complete shock. Why would I fault him for that? Every person I saw that heard it the first time had the same reaction. My point was it even surprised the team who didnt see it coming.

[Snoogans]

jaworski is about to talk about Vick and the Eagles on PTI. This should be interesting

[hanso]

1- i never once mentioned Vick and slide. I said gettin OB more, avoiding shit. I never said slide, you just brought that in now

you just named the 4 best guys in the league basically. Almost everyone in the league today is the same size as those guys. Those were most of the only big guys in the league then.


and how the fuck is Kolb worthless? A bunch of teams asked about him. Its a few fuckin games. He had a concussion and is still really young. You already just gave up completely on Kolb? Because he got hurt once?

It happened to Pat White.

[Snoogans]

It happened to Pat White.

Pat White lost an NFL starting job because he got hurt? When?

[hanso]

Did you not see the highlight?

[hanso]

Pat White lost an NFL starting job because he got hurt? When?

If everything has to fit in a nutshell. What is the use? I quit forget I posted. I should have known better. Some folks can't phantom scenarios in this place.

[Snoogans]

If everything has to fit in a nutshell. What is the use? I quit forget I posted. I should have known better. Some folks can't phantom scenarios in this place.

i dont even know what the hell you are talking about

What does Pat White have anything to do with anything?

[epo]

I always find it amazing how Eagles fans shit on McNabb for "not winning the Super Bowl" yet he's the only fucking reason they made it in 2004.

Let's not forget his QB rating for the divisional/championship games were both over 110 without Terrell Owens. McNabb proceeded to have an average Super Bowl and T.O. immediately threw him under the bus.

History is funny like that.

[Snacks]

I always find it amazing how Eagles fans shit on McNabb for "not winning the Super Bowl" yet he's the only fucking reason they made it in 2004.

Let's not forget his QB rating for the divisional/championship games were both over 110 without Terrell Owens. McNabb proceeded to have an average Super Bowl and T.O. immediately threw him under the bus.

History is funny like that.

and he is also their greatest QB ever. I guess Philly fans are so used to winning super bowls and championships that they can be arrogant. Oh wait sorry we are talking about philly right? My mistake they are one of the worse sports city's in the country and Im not saying that because their fans are assholes but because they have 4 major sports franchise and never win anything. But lucky for all of us they now won a World Series and we get to hear 50 years of wanting to brag finally come out!

[Tenbatsuzen]

i dont even know what the hell you are talking about

What does Pat White have anything to do with anything?

Pat White got the shit kicked out of him during a late season appearance. Knocked the fuck out concussion. He was not a big fan of becoming a WR before because he didn't want to get laid out going over the middle, and when he was told he had to convert or not be in the NFL anymore, he said fuck it and went back to baseball.

Concussions are not something to fuck around with. Wayne Chrebet basically admitted on the air a few years ago he knows he's fucked in the head because of them.

[spoon]

Pat White also can't/couldn't throw the ball from the pocket and was pretty much used exclusively in the wildcat formation bc of his legs only. He can hit the TE on short routes (somewhat) and Rb's in the flat at best, and living solely on ur legs in the NFL means no chance in the long run at all. He sucked, that's why he went/chose baseball. That probably won't work out that well either. His agent should have convinced him to go to WR if the NFL is his true love. Sure it's safer in MLB, but it's not like he'll be at the mlb level as he already was in Miami. Oh wait, he's in KC so he'll be their top position player in no time as the yanks and the rest of the big market teams pick them dry of all 3 good players they have as their contracts come up.

[epo]

In Week 1, Clay Matthews had 3 sacks and gave Kevin Kolb a concussion. Kolb was then benched and lost his job.

In Week 2, Clay Matthews had 3 sacks and destroyed Trent Edwards. Edwards was then benched and lost his job.

In Week 3, Clay Matthews and the Green Bay Packers face Jay Cutler. I wonder what will happen?

[spoon]

In Week 1, Clay Matthews had 3 sacks and gave Kevin Kolb a concussion. Kolb was then benched and lost his job.

In Week 2, Clay Matthews had 3 sacks and destroyed Trent Edwards. Edwards was then benched and lost his job.

In Week 3, Clay Matthews and the Green Bay Packers face Jay Cutler. I wonder what will happen?

I'm going with 2 tds for Finley and 2 more for Jackson! :thumbup: