2011-12 NFL Season

[Kevin]

Have these refs bet on the Saints?

These calls are terrible.

[Kevin]

Calvin Johnson is ridiculous!

[cougarjake13]

He's megatron!!!!!!

[Crispy_Mobile]

Jeeze what a game!

[cougarjake13]

It's close culd a went either way
Whatever. Call on field was wulda stand

[epo]

Wtf Stafford?

[Snoogans]

is it odd that there is now a part of me that wouldnt mind if the giants lost tomorrow just so i wouldnt have to see them go back down to NO again?

[Crash]

Meachem - that seals it.

Circle gets the square - GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY.

[Crispy123]

Meachem - that seals it.

Circle gets the square - GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY.

Greer put the last nail in the coffin!

[Snacks]

why is this team still passing up by 17 with only 2 plus mins left? i really dont get this other then you can play def anymore so their is no risk because you will get flags against the def for everything. this is not the football i played growing up or watched my entire life.

[underdog]

why is this team still passing up by 17 with only 2 plus mins left? i really dont get this other then you can play def anymore so their is no risk because you will get flags against the def for everything. this is not the football i played growing up or watched my entire life.

It's not surprising that you're one of those people.

It was 3rd and 7. They were trying not to give it back to the Lions. And it worked.

[Snacks]

It's not surprising that you're one of those people.

It was 3rd and 7. They were trying not to give it back to the Lions. And it worked.

and what is one of those people? people that like the game played the right way? what about when they were up by 10 on the 45 of det and 3 plus mins left and threw a bomb on 1st down? yes it worked but you never give a team who needs possessions a chance to pick it off you run the clock out. but in this new shitty nfl its hard to play defense so i guess there really is no risk.

[spoon]

It's not about the girl (with the terrible boob job) he's hanging out with. It's the hat and the glasses.

isn't it clear, matty reads people and the grocery store mags for the gossip girl special

that's how he keeps up on his sports so well...who is Jeter banging? while they slip in some stats on his current year...who is Sanchize with now...and is it affecting his play? Will Rex have to approve of her feet?

Inquiring Suzens want to know...no NEED to know.

[underdog]

and what is one of those people? people that like the game played the right way? what about when they were up by 10 on the 45 of det and 3 plus mins left and threw a bomb on 1st down? yes it worked but you never give a team who needs possessions a chance to pick it off you run the clock out. but in this new shitty nfl its hard to play defense so i guess there really is no risk.

People that bitch when professional teams try to "run up" the score.

[underdog]

isn't it clear, matty reads people and the grocery store mags for the gossip girl special

that's how he keeps up on his sports so well...who is Jeter banging? while they slip in some stats on his current year...who is Sanchize with now...and is it affecting his play? Will Rex have to approve of her feet?

Inquiring Suzens want to know...no NEED to know.

I think I replied to snacks, not matty.

[spoon]

Saints will score at least 21 second half points

Lions no more then 7 or 9

35-14...Pretty solid call!

[epo]

why is this team still passing up by 17 with only 2 plus mins left? i really dont get this other then you can play def anymore so their is no risk because you will get flags against the def for everything. this is not the football i played growing up or watched my entire life.

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[spoon]

People that bitch when professional teams try to "run up" the score.

I'm no fan of it, and it's just logical up that much to run out the clock and end the game to slow down the pace/shootout going on.

[Snacks]

People that bitch when professional teams try to "run up" the score.

i dont care if you run up the score i care about playing to win and that was a mistake by new orleans. i dont care if someone runs up the score and if they did that with 10 mins left. but with 3 mins left and then again with 2 mins left you need to start running clock.

[spoon]

I was talking to my brother and my cousin before this det vs no game started and said this is the 1 game that would scare me. I had this weird feeling that if 1 team was due for a let down it is the saints. they have been too "on" and det is one team that could keep up with them offensively while having a good enough defense that if they are on could stop anyone.

I hope they wake up and win for my picks challenge but det looks pretty good right now and the saints looks a little lost. 11 points was a high line, i doubt the saints will cover but will they win? i hope so.

yah, not so good call

detroit's d is shit and NO is virtually unbeatable at home...too bad they have trips to SF and GB on the docket to make the SB

[PapaBear]

That was three downs with no chance of injuries. There was no point in taking it in.

[spoon]

I think I replied to snacks, not matty.

yah, I still wanted to make that point clear and you were the last in that convo line sweat cheeks

[TripleSkeet]

and what is one of those people? people that like the game played the right way? what about when they were up by 10 on the 45 of det and 3 plus mins left and threw a bomb on 1st down? yes it worked but you never give a team who needs possessions a chance to pick it off you run the clock out. but in this new shitty nfl its hard to play defense so i guess there really is no risk.

If it works than it was the right way. It doesnt matter how you win, just if you win.

[spoon]

If it works than it was the right way. It doesnt matter how you win, just if you win.

sure it does

[underdog]

It was 3rd down! They were trying to convert the 3rd down and keep the ball and the clock running. If they ran it and didn't make it (3rd and 7), the Lions would have stopped the clock with a timeout.

[underdog]

sure it does

To who? The players winning sure as fuck don't care.

[Snacks]

It was 3rd down! They were trying to convert the 3rd down and keep the ball and the clock running. If they ran it and didn't make it (3rd and 7), the Lions would have stopped the clock with a timeout.

and they were up 3 scores (17 points with 2 mins left)

[underdog]

and they were up 3 scores (17 points with 2 mins left)

So if your problem isn't with running up the score, what is your problem?

They're going for it so that they convert 3rd down. Even if they are up 3 scores, they still didn't want to give the ball back.

[spoon]

It was 3rd down! They were trying to convert the 3rd down and keep the ball and the clock running. If they ran it and didn't make it (3rd and 7), the Lions would have stopped the clock with a timeout.

I agree on that, I was talking on the overall theme of the argument.

[spoon]

To who? The players winning sure as fuck don't care.

Sure it matters. There's the confidence factor on how, what worked and so much more. It's not just win or lose going into the next week. Any fool knows that.

[sailor]

yah, I still wanted to make that point clear and you were the last in that convo line sweat cheeks

gross.

http://images.travelpod.com/users/joeandlaura/1.1274878960.sweaty-ass.jpg

[sailor]

It was 3rd down! They were trying to convert the 3rd down and keep the ball and the clock running. If they ran it and didn't make it (3rd and 7), the Lions would have stopped the clock with a timeout.

alternatively, it would force the lions to use a timeout instead of it stopping on an incompletion. i don't think it was a bad move, btw.

[TripleSkeet]

Sure it matters. There's the confidence factor on how, what worked and so much more. It's not just win or lose going into the next week. Any fool knows that.

Huh? Im not talking about the next week or even the players, Im talking about overall. Nobody will look back at this game and say "Yea New Orleans didnt win this the right way. They were up 10 and threw deep instead of trying to run the clock out." All that matters is they won.

[TripleSkeet]

alternatively, it would force the lions to use a timeout instead of it stopping on an incompletion. i don't think it was a bad move, btw.

Yea well alot of the old timers think you shouldnt even risk an incomplete pass and stopping the clock for the other team. This isnt that NFL anymore. This is the pass pass pass league. The risk isnt the same as it used to be.

[Kevin]

More trademark Coughlin/Gilbride terrible play calls.

[Snacks]

that looked like a a bad spot and the refs at first seemed to have their feet on the red line but kept moving it back and back inch by inch. very ballsy call to make in the playoffs.

that better be a safety!

[HBox]

Same old Giants.

Why are they so awful at home in the playoffs?

[Kevin]

Same old Giants.

Why are they so awful at home in the playoffs?

Because the coaches are a bunch of baboons.

When you see something does not work

CHANGE IT.

Fucking dickfaces.

[Kevin]

These fuck head refs have missed a min of 3 penalties against the Giants.

[Snacks]

Same old Giants.

Why are they so awful at home in the playoffs?

I dont know about always being bad at home but they just arent good enough this year and got lucky winning that div. Philly took way too long to get it together and by the time they did they came up short and dallas cost themselves 4 easy wins by doing exactly what the saints did last night. Dallas should have beaten Det, Jets, NYG (1st game) easily all by 2 tds or more plus the arz game. but bad coaching decisions and mistakes late in the 4th q after dominating all of those games cost them and gave the NYG a chance and the giants capitalized.

they still have a chance to win but they do look bad on offense so far today. have they even tried to throw to cruz yet?

[HBox]

That was some shitty tackling.

[Kevin]

No one gives up or almost gives up more 3rd and longs than the Giants.

[HBox]

Let's switch the conversation from the shitty Giants to the shitty Falcons. I've never believed this team was the real deal and they've never done anything to make me reconsider. They are the best average team I've ever seen.

[Kevin]

Let's switch the conversation from the shitty Giants to the shitty Falcons. I've never believed this team was the real deal and they've never done anything to make me reconsider. They are the best average team I've ever seen.

Your team would be up 35 on either one of these dipshits.

[KnoxHarrington]

Either team that makes it out of this game is going to take at least a 30 point assbeating from the Packers next week.

[epo]

Either team that makes it out of this game is going to take at least a 30 point assbeating from the Packers next week.

You never know week to week in the NFL, but I was just thinking the same thing.

[Kevin]

You never know week to week in the NFL, but I was just thinking the same thing.

You guys have another bye next week.

[sailor]

have they even tried to throw to cruz yet?

Butterfingers?

[Crispy123]

Butterfingers?

you were saying...

[sailor]

you were saying...


Funny, he dropped another one right after I wrote that, albeit much harder of a catch.

Wow, Nicks made zero effort to get open.

[Snoogans]

im sorry, can someone explain why that wasnt Pass interference?

[Crispy123]

Funny, he dropped another one right after I wrote that, albeit much harder of a catch.

Wow, Nicks made zero effort to get open.

haha yea I noticed that. too bad Atlanta isn't doing shit. I wanted to see them send NY packing.

[HBox]

im sorry, can someone explain why that wasnt Pass interference?

Maybe we all took at trip in a time machine to 10 years ago during that play?

[HBox]

I can't watch this game anymore. This is some ugly fucking football.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Maybe we all took at trip in a time machine to 10 years ago during that play?

JIMLA JIMLA JIMLA

[sailor]

I can't watch this game anymore. This is some ugly fucking football.

Good one, hippo.

[sailor]

Game over.

[Snacks]

I can't watch this game anymore. This is some ugly fucking football.

no shit. congrats giants fans you had a nice win.

mike smith will get crucified and maybe even fired with how he coached this game and probably should.

[Snoogans]

admit it epo. and im not sayin anything what will happen. but just admit that this is gettin you a bit nervous

[Snacks]

admit it epo. and im not sayin anything what will happen. but just admit that this is gettin you a bit nervous

are you saying repeat of 2007 season?

[Kevin]

are you saying repeat of 2007 season?

If the Giants play D like they have been for 3weeks now, epos shitty D will get torched.

[Kevin]

are you saying repeat of 2007 season?



Only if SF beats NO.

They have Zero shot at the Super Dome

[Snoogans]

are you saying repeat of 2007 season?

well, if you look at my picks in the stupid game i said that. im realistic. i know the fuckin giants. But damn, the D hasnt looked this good in a long fuckin time

[Kevin]

Osi should get two sacks there.

[epo]

admit it epo. and im not sayin anything what will happen. but just admit that this is gettin you a bit nervous

Your confidence is adorable.

[HBox]

How in the fuck was that not pass interference? The refereeing all year has been the worst I've ever seen.

[cougarjake13]

No one cares about Tebow time?

[cougarjake13]

So many blown or no calls in giants game

I still don't know how nicks didn't get the first down with forward progress before half

[cougarjake13]

Tebow time again!!!!!!!

[Kevin]

Denver didn't think they were annoying enough so they pass out Vuvuzelaz?

Tebow really could be the anti-christ!

[newport king]

Just checking in for some tebow chatter

[Tenbatsuzen]

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[Kevin]

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Anti Christ!!

[newport king]

Denver was getting over 6pts at home. That is all.

[HBox]

What we've learned today is that Tim Tebow is better than Ben Roethlisberger with one foot cut off.

Barely.

[HBox]

I am so sick of this horrible refereeing I'm starting to consider giving up on this season. First blowing the obvious backward pass on Pittsburgh's last drive, and then that ridiculous pass interference call. So receivers can just stop and when they are run into by a trailing cornerback it's interference?

I'm tired of watching games and wondering how the game would have turned out had the refs not blown a shitload of calls.

[cougarjake13]

It's never gonna change so we as fans have to deal with it

[KnoxHarrington]

Time for the first playoff game under the new OT rules.

[disneyspy]

Time for the first playoff game under the new OT rules.

AND IT ONLY TOOK 2 MINUTES FOR THE REF TO TELL US WHAT THEY ARE

they have got to fix that

[Kevin]

I am so sick of this horrible refereeing I'm starting to consider giving up on this season. First blowing the obvious backward pass on Pittsburgh's last drive, and then that ridiculous pass interference call. So receivers can just stop and when they are run into by a trailing cornerback it's interference?

I'm tired of watching games and wondering how the game would have turned out had the refs not blown a shitload of calls.

It really is ridiculous.

The Giant game was just as awful.

Bad spots missed calls.

Officiating in all sports have digressed to the point that its pathetic.

Bring on the robots!!!

[cougarjake13]

Tebow Jesus !!!!!!!

[Kevin]

Wow, what a terrible end to a season for Pitt..

[Snacks]

r u fucking kidding me?

[disneyspy]

the fucking explaining of the rules took longer than the OT!!

[HBox]

Well that was a letdown.

And there was much rejoicing in New England tonight.

[KnoxHarrington]

The cocksucking of Tim Tebow is going to be utterly nauseating now.

[Snacks]

this is the 1st time a qb being shit actually helped a team win ( actually every game den wins this is the reason). pitt was playing run all the way all game because tebow sucks at throwing the ball and because he sucks and this is what happened. wow im s sick right now.

[HBox]

I'm sure by saying this I will jinx it in some way but New England and Baltimore can pretty much sleepwalk their way to the AFC Championship Game.

[KnoxHarrington]

AND IT ONLY TOOK 2 MINUTES FOR THE REF TO TELL US WHAT THEY ARE

they have got to fix that

Here is how you explain the new OT rule: "If the team that wins the coin toss scores a field goal, the game is not over and the other team will get the ball."

That's it. That's all you need to say.

[newport king]

Fuck the haters. No hes not pretty. He passed against a dick lebeau defense and won the game on a pass. Now give me the excuses

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm sure by saying this I will jinx it in some way but New England and Baltimore can pretty much sleepwalk their way to the AFC Championship Game.

HippoBox

[Kevin]

Fuck the haters. No hes not pretty. He passed against a dick lebeau defense and won the game on a pass. Now give me the excuses

Here is one..

Like always he does as little as possible and the other guys do all the work.

Thomas did 95% of the work.

[HBox]

The cocksucking of Tim Tebow is going to be utterly nauseating now.

Especially since he could have iced the game in regulation by hitting a wide open WR. He had no pressure, the reciever was wide open directly in front of him 10 yards away and he threw it short and 5 yards in front of the WR.

At least we know Tebow can throw deep on a defense with 9 in the box.... occasionally.

[newport king]

this is the 1st time a qb being shit actually helped a team win ( actually every game den wins this is the reason). pitt was playing run all the way all game because tebow sucks at throwing the ball and because he sucks and this is what happened. wow im s sick right now.

This is getting pathetic. Im pretty sure at some point they realized he was throwing the ball.

[disneyspy]

Here is how you explain the new OT rule: "If the team that wins the coin toss scores a field goal, the game is not over and the other team will get the ball."

That's it. That's all you need to say.

exactly,knox for commish!

[cougarjake13]

Wow.

Another week of Tebow worship by Espn

Im sure they'll spend the first 20 minutes on sportscenter on him

[HBox]

Fuck the haters. No hes not pretty. He passed against a dick lebeau defense and won the game on a pass. Now give me the excuses

You can think and analyze things. If you want anyone to take you seriously when the extent of your analysis is looking at the final score and saying "He has to be a good QB, he won the game!" don't expect to be taken seriously.

Any halfway decent QB would have torched a defense where both safeties were deep in the box 75% of the time. Tebow didn't manage to complete half his passes.

[newport king]

Im not a Tebow fan, i recognize his flaws. But how can you talk shit on him?

[sailor]

Crap. Really wanted Pitt to beat Denver, but now I hope Denver wins next week to continue to piss people off.

[HBox]

Im not a Tebow fan, i recognize his flaws. But how can you talk shit on him?

BECAUSE HE IS A HORRIBLE QB AND THE TEAM WINS IN SPITE OF HIM!

[Snacks]

Fuck the haters. No hes not pretty. He passed against a dick lebeau defense and won the game on a pass. Now give me the excuses

his passes have no spiral to them and almost all go downwards to the dirt. he cant hit wide open guys and misses sideline routes by 5 yards. please he sucks and is very lucky, his terrible play is actually helping them because teams stack the line and he gets 1-3 actual pass plays that work for big plays. he complete less then 50% of his passes but had like 300 yards that because he had 3 huge plays. he stinks

[underdog]

admit it epo. and im not sayin anything what will happen. but just admit that this is gettin you a bit nervous

Your confidence is adorable.

Epo, your team barely snuck by the first time you played the Giants. And now, the Giants' defense is actually looking great.

The Packers should be very scared.

[Snacks]

Im not a Tebow fan, i recognize his flaws. But how can you talk shit on him?

because he sucks

[cougarjake13]

BECAUSE HE IS A HORRIBLE QB AND THE TEAM WINS IN SPITE OF HIM!



There's no need to bring mark Sanchez into this

[Snacks]

BECAUSE HE IS A HORRIBLE QB AND THE TEAM WINS IN SPITE OF HIM!

THIS!

[underdog]

I told you cunts how great Demaryius Thomas is.

Tebow threw for 316, Thomas had 204 of that.

Sad for him, though, that no one will mention his name this week. It will be all Tebow. ESPN is now talking about how Tebow progressed as a passer. HE THREW A 9 YARD SLANT THAT THOMAS TURNED INTO AN 80 YARD GAME WINNER.

[Kevin]

Epo, your team barely snuck by the first time you played the Giants. And now, the Giants' defense is actually looking great.

The Packers should be very scared.

If the Giants D plays at the level they are playing Packers are in deep trouble.

The Giants will put up points on that terrible D.

But then again they can pull a Giants and play terrible...

But if they show up...

Watch out Mr. Simpson.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Here is one..

Like always he does as little as possible and the other guys do all the work.

Thomas did 95% of the work.

Do you even watch football?

Seriously?

If it was a swing pass, I could see your point, but Tebow read the fucking defense and got the ball to him 10-15 yards off the line. IT WAS OPEN FIELD FROM THAT POINT. He gave a stiff arm to one safety and that was it.

I'm not saying that was all Tebow, but lets not act he shook off four defenders and took a bunch of hits doing down field.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I told you cunts how great Demaryius Thomas is.

Tebow threw for 316, Thomas had 204 of that.

Sad for him, though, that no one will mention his name this week. It will be all Tebow. ESPN is now talking about how Tebow progressed as a passer. HE THREW A 9 YARD SLANT THAT THOMAS TURNED INTO AN 80 YARD GAME WINNER.

Again: Tebow read the defense. THERE WAS NO ONE IN THE SECONDARY TO STOP HIM.

[Kevin]

Do you even watch football?

Seriously?

If it was a swing pass, I could see your point, but Tebow read the fucking defense and got the ball to him 20-25 yards off the line. IT WAS OPEN FIELD FROM THAT POINT. He gave a stiff arm to one safety and that was it.

I'm not saying that was all Tebow, but lets not act he shook off four defenders and took a bunch of hits doing down field.

for the record 20k time on this board you are once again wrong.

Short pass with a D STUFFING THE BOX, and Thomas took it to the house.

Congrats on your milestone though....

[underdog]

Do you even watch football?

Seriously?

If it was a swing pass, I could see your point, but Tebow read the fucking defense and got the ball to him 20-25 yards off the line. IT WAS OPEN FIELD FROM THAT POINT. He gave a stiff arm to one safety and that was it.

I'm not saying that was all Tebow, but lets not act he shook off four defenders and took a bunch of hits doing down field.

I just watched the replay. It was 15 yards, at the most. And Tebow doesn't call the plays. He didn't read the defense, he just threw it to one of the two receivers on the play.

[Snacks]

Do you even watch football?

Seriously?

If it was a swing pass, I could see your point, but Tebow read the fucking defense and got the ball to him 20-25 yards off the line. IT WAS OPEN FIELD FROM THAT POINT. He gave a stiff arm to one safety and that was it.

I'm not saying that was all Tebow, but lets not act he shook off four defenders and took a bunch of hits doing down field.

tebow did nothing but finally throw a pass to a guy in stride. he didnt read the def he didnt change the play the coach called this play because he had a feeling this was going to be what pitt did. do you watch football? that was the only play that could have been made, it was called and that wr was the only option it was fuck up or complete and the rest is up to the wr.

i cant believe you are seriously giving the credit to tebow.

[walking joint]

I don't think Tebow is a great or even good QB, but this is not the game to be ripping the guy. He made some really good passes deep up the sideline today and played what I thought was a really good game. Sure, some of his passes weren't great looking, but he did more than enough to win this game. I like the guy, but I think thats only b/c so many people shit on him.

[HBox]

Do you even watch football?

Seriously?

If it was a swing pass, I could see your point, but Tebow read the fucking defense and got the ball to him 10-15 yards off the line. IT WAS OPEN FIELD FROM THAT POINT. He gave a stiff arm to one safety and that was it.

I'm not saying that was all Tebow, but lets not act he shook off four defenders and took a bunch of hits doing down field.

That play was a routine pass for an NFL QB. Tebow had numerous opportunities similar to that play throughout the entire game and either threw an inaccurate pass or couldn't read it. Even Phil Simms was repeatedly pointing out the wide open receivers he missed.

[Snacks]

I don't think Tebow is a great or even good QB, but this is not the game to be ripping the guy. He made some really good passes deep up the sideline today and played what I thought was a really good game. Sure, some of his passes weren't great looking, but he did more than enough to win this game. I like the guy, but I think thats only b/c so many people shit on him.

he made not 1 good pass deep. even those 2 bombs that were completed were wobbly all over the place and the wr had to come back for the ball.

[underdog]

Again: Tebow read the defense. THERE WAS NO ONE IN THE SECONDARY TO STOP HIM.

Again: TEBOW DOESN'T CALL HIS OWN PLAYS. HE HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN TWO RECEIVERS ON THE PLAY.

He also threw it BEHIND his receiver, with no defender leading. Thomas made the catch and scored.

And rewatching it, I think Thomas was the ONLY receiver on the play. They have to "nascar" down the playbook so much that they only give him ONE option on a play.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just watched the replay. It was 15 yards, at the most. And Tebow doesn't call the plays. He didn't read the defense, he just threw it to one of the two receivers on the play.

I corrected the post.

But it just amuses me that someone throws for 300+, two TDs, one more running, no INTs, and a 125 passer rating is "the team winning in spite of you".

[walking joint]

he made not 1 good pass deep. even those 2 bombs that were completed were wobbly all over the place and the wr had to come back for the ball.

thats not true at all...his first completion to DT (believe it was a 50 or so yarder) was a great pass and in stride.

[TripleSkeet]

Ya know, I admit I root for Tebow and Denver but as a football fan realize that alot of their wins this year were his D , McGahee and his kicker winning games while he did just enough not to lose.

This fucking game wasnt one of them. He put up more passing yards against Pitts D than any other QB this season. He put up 316 yards (nice little coincidence) and won the game on a fucking pass.

He won this game. And anyone that doesnt give him the credit for this game hes due is a fucking moron. Dont give me that YAC bullshit either because every QB in the league has benefitted from that shit. Passing yards are passing yards. Period.

[newport king]

So let me get this straight, Tebow is only successful because teams play the run against him? Thats the dumbest fucking argument ive ever heard. Nobody thinks hes GOOD. Hes a novelty and i think thats the apeal.

[underdog]

That play was a routine pass for an NFL QB. Tebow had numerous opportunities similar to that play throughout the entire game and either threw an inaccurate pass or couldn't read it. Even Phil Simms was repeatedly pointing out the wide open receivers he missed.

On balls not thrown to Thomas, Tebow was 6-17 for 112 yards.

MVP! MVP! MVP!

[TripleSkeet]

he made not 1 good pass deep. even those 2 bombs that were completed were wobbly all over the place and the wr had to come back for the ball.

He made more 40 yard passes in the first half than Sanchez has all season. Youre being ridiculous now.

[Kevin]

I corrected the post.

But it just amuses me that someone throws for 300+, two TDs, one more running, no INTs, and a 125 passer rating is "the team winning in spite of you".

Because people who "watch football" know that despite the #s, he was terrible.

[underdog]

Ya know, I admit I root for Tebow and Denver but as a football fan realize that alot of their wins this year were his D , McGahee and his kicker winning games while he did just enough not to lose.

This fucking game wasnt one of them. He put up more passing yards against Pitts D than any other QB this season. He put up 316 yards (nice little coincidence) and won the game on a fucking pass.

He won this game. And anyone that doesnt give him the credit for this game hes due is a fucking moron. Dont give me that YAC bullshit either because every QB in the league has benefitted from that shit. Passing yards are passing yards. Period.

So let me get this straight, Tebow is only successful because teams play the run against him? Thats the dumbest fucking argument ive ever heard. Nobody thinks hes GOOD. Hes a novelty and i think thats the apeal.

I just think Thomas deserves much more credit than Tebow does.

[underdog]

He made more 40 yard passes in the first half than Sanchez has all season. Youre being ridiculous now.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD MEASURING STICK.

[Kevin]

He made more 40 yard passes in the first half than Sanchez has all season. Youre being ridiculous now.

Seriously

Mark Sanchez is who you chose?

Thats like someone saying a 2b had less errors than Jose Offerman.

[Tenbatsuzen]

for the record 20k time on this board you are once again wrong.

Short pass with a D STUFFING THE BOX, and Thomas took it to the house.

Congrats on your milestone though....

So if it's a short pass with the D stuffing the box, explain again how the pass has nothing to do with Tebow?

Thomas took off and they burned Ike Taylor.

BTW, Tebow threw it 18 yards to Thomas. Thomas caught it on the 38.

[cougarjake13]

I hope he falls as backwards into a super bowl title

Hell it worked for guys like dilfer hostetler mcmahon with great defenses

[Snacks]

Ya know, I admit I root for Tebow and Denver but as a football fan realize that alot of their wins this year were his D , McGahee and his kicker winning games while he did just enough not to lose.

This fucking game wasnt one of them. He put up more passing yards against Pitts D than any other QB this season. He put up 316 yards (nice little coincidence) and won the game on a fucking pass.

He won this game. And anyone that doesnt give him the credit for this game hes due is a fucking moron. Dont give me that YAC bullshit either because every QB in the league has benefitted from that shit. Passing yards are passing yards. Period.

did you watch the game? because anyone who gives him credit for those 300 yards is a fucking idiot. did you watch any of his passes? did he throw 1 spiral or did all his passes look like passes you would throw, you know all nonathletic and with no touch. He threw more passes 5 or 10 yards away from his wide open wr and missed guys that were 10 yards away while throwing the ball in the dirt when no defenders were around. he didnt win shit the opposing coaches once again went against their normal play and the team took advantage.

[newport king]

And im not sure, but aside from calling an audible NO QB IN THE LEAGUE CALLS THEIR OWN PLAYS, save for Peyton Manning. Why would New Orleans, New England, and Green Bay even have offensive coordinators?

[walking joint]

Ya know, I admit I root for Tebow and Denver but as a football fan realize that alot of their wins this year were his D , McGahee and his kicker winning games while he did just enough not to lose.

This fucking game wasnt one of them. He put up more passing yards against Pitts D than any other QB this season. He put up 316 yards (nice little coincidence) and won the game on a fucking pass.

He won this game. And anyone that doesnt give him the credit for this game hes due is a fucking moron. Dont give me that YAC bullshit either because every QB in the league has benefitted from that shit. Passing yards are passing yards. Period.

Exactly how I feel...except for maybe the last line or two. He received way to much credit for the 6 game win streak and isn't a great QB, but he deserves a bunch of credit for todays win...as do a bunch of Broncos. And I hope they can somehow pull it off again next week.

[Kevin]

So if it's a short pass with the D stuffing the box, explain again how the pass has nothing to do with Tebow?

Thomas took off and they burned Ike Taylor.

BTW, Tebow threw it 18 yards to Thomas. Thomas caught it on the 38.

So now we are supposed to give a standing ovation on a 18yd pass?

Fuck even Chris Simms can complete an 18yd pass

[Snacks]

He made more 40 yard passes in the first half than Sanchez has all season. Youre being ridiculous now.

and not 1 was an nfl caliber qb pass. so no im not being ridiculous im right. just because his shitty pass was caught doesnt mean he made a great pass. his wr deserve medals of honor for even playing with this pos qb. they need to be "ON" every play because he never hits them in stride with a catch-able ball.

[HBox]

Let's just cut to the chase. This question is for anyone defending Tebow: Would you want him as your team's QB?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Because people who "watch football" know that despite the #s, he was terrible.

Are you for real?

"Despite the numbers, he was terrible".

HE WON THE FUCKING GAME. Yeah, his completion percentage was under 60 percent but he still threw for 300+ and ran for a TD. What the fuck do you want?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Let's just cut to the chase. This question is for anyone defending Tebow: Would you want him as your team's QB?

Right now? Yes. He's shown more growth as a QB than Sanchez has. He's also got more dimensions to him than Sanchez.

[Kevin]

Are you for real?

"Despite the numbers, he was terrible".

HE WON THE FUCKING GAME. Yeah, his completion percentage was under 60 percent but he still threw for 300+ and ran for a TD. What the fuck do you want?

A capable non div III level QB?

[Snacks]

Let's just cut to the chase. This question is for anyone defending Tebow: Would you want him as your team's QB?

could you imagine if he was tripleskeets qb? lol he would tear this guy a new asshole even if he went to 5 nfc title games and a sb for not winning a sb ring but he is giving this guy credit?! amazing.

[HBox]

Right now? Yes. He's shown more growth as a QB than Sanchez has. He's also got more dimensions to him than Sanchez.

Wow. I think Mark Sanchez is bad and I would take him in a heartbeat over Tebow.

[Kevin]

Right now? Yes. He's shown more growth as a QB than Sanchez has. He's also got more dimensions to him than Sanchez.

If by growth you mean growing more terrible by the week, then I agree.

[HBox]

I would take Vince Young over Tebow. And I watched every single game he played this year.

[Kevin]

could you imagine if he was tripleskeets qb? lol he would tear this guy a new asshole even if he went to 5 nfc title games and a sb for not winning a sb ring but he is giving this guy credit?! amazing.

Well TS is from philly..


racist

what?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Fuck even Chris Simms can complete an 18yd pass

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K6lgAcJ5mEo/TeVA4o0MBEI/AAAAAAAAAD0/IMbgy28iNak/s400/jon-stewart-half-baked.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

and not 1 was an nfl caliber qb pass. so no im not being ridiculous im right. just because his shitty pass was caught doesnt mean he made a great pass. his wr deserve medals of honor for even playing with this pos qb. they need to be "ON" every play because he never hits them in stride with a catch-able ball.

Well see thats the difference, Jeff George threw the most picture perfect pass in the NFL and couldnt win dick. Id take Tebow over that guy in a minute. Ive said it 1000 times. There is a list of qualities that make a good QB. Alot of it is arm related. Strength, accuracy, etc. but theres also heart, leadership, and brains. Tebows got all 3 of those. If QBs like McNabb with good arms can win without having the heart than maybe a guy like this can win while leaning on the attributes hes got.

Hes not just some fucking walk on that cant play. Thats all Im saying.

Oh and that Sanchez comment was just something I read earlier that made me laugh. I wasnt actually comparing the 2.

[Snacks]

Are you for real?

"Despite the numbers, he was terrible".

HE WON THE FUCKING GAME. Yeah, his completion percentage was under 60 percent but he still threw for 300+ and ran for a TD. What the fuck do you want?

hes 48% on the season. 48% in todays nfl is a joke even shitty sanchez threw for 56 %.

and tebow today was 10 of 21 thats under 50% nce again. thats 30 yards per comp, trust me its not him he throws a shit pass and his wrs had to go so much to get those yards. not to mention a lot has to do with def not playing how they usually do. too many def know hes shit so they stack the box and leave the entire field open and he still completes less then 50%. Come on guys stop with the shit.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow. I think Mark Sanchez is bad and I would take him in a heartbeat over Tebow.

I think Schottenheimer is the reason why Sanchez' growth is stunted, so that's why I said "right now". If Sanchez still sucks next year w/o Schotty, then my mind will be set.

[TripleSkeet]

Well TS is from philly..


racist

what?

Not true. While theres no question I would take him over McNabb, even in McNabbs prime, I wouldnt take him over Vick. Because Vick has heart. McNabb never did. He was a pussy that didnt want the ball when the game was on the line. Fuck he was the Bizarro Tebow.

[underdog]

could you imagine if he was tripleskeets qb? lol he would tear this guy a new asshole even if he went to 5 nfc title games and a sb for not winning a sb ring but he is giving this guy credit?! amazing.

He's not black. Tripleskeets would love him.

[Kevin]

Not true. While theres no question I would take him over McNabb, even in McNabbs prime, I wouldnt take him over Vick. Because Vick has heart. McNabb never did. He was a pussy that didnt want the ball when the game was on the line. Fuck he was the Bizarro Tebow.

It was obviously a joke TS.


And you taking Tebow over Mcnabb is pretty shocking...

[Snacks]

He's not black. Tripleskeets would love him.

i agree and it seems so do others.

[HBox]

Not true. While theres no question I would take him over McNabb, even in McNabbs prime, I wouldnt take him over Vick. Because Vick has heart. McNabb never did. He was a pussy that didnt want the ball when the game was on the line. Fuck he was the Bizarro Tebow.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

hes 48% on the season. 48% in todays nfl is a joke even shitty sanchez threw for 56 %.

and tebow today was 10 of 21 thats under 50% nce again. thats 30 yards per comp, trust me its not him he throws a shit pass and his wrs had to go so much to get those yards. not to mention a lot has to do with def not playing how they usually do. too many def know hes shit so they stack the box and leave the entire field open and he still completes less then 50%. Come on guys stop with the shit.

I am not talking about the season. I am talking about right now.

Is Tebow consistent? No.

But he's also a second year QB who wasn't even supposed to be an NFL QB. So the UPSIDE of Tim Tebow is tremendous.

Also, don't forget this: Sanchez is making a ridiculous amount of money. Tebow isn't. So on the value proposition when it comes to the salary cap... Tebow's good.

[Kevin]

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[newport king]

So when will you fags give him an ounce of credit? When he stands on his own goalline, shakes 5 tackles, heaves the ball 100 yards in the air with a spiral so tight it could make a nerf whistler ball jealous, into quintuple coverage that only a hummingbird could fit in on the final play to win a superbowl?...

[TripleSkeet]

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LMAO You guys can love him all you want. I watched every game he played here start to finish. I saw a guy that could play great when he was up 20 points, that benefited by a Jim Johnson led phenominal defense, and a coach that saw his limitations and came up with a game plan that supported his strengths getting tight ends and RBs that could catch and run like Chad Lewis, Brent Celek, Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy. When the team needed him to put them on his shoulders, give them a guy they could believe in, he couldnt do it.

Thats why 2 years after hes off the team, after other people were crowing how he was gonna lead Washington to a division title, hes sitting at home and theres not one team in the league that even wants him as a backup.

[Snacks]

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this was the best response ever on this boards!

[HBox]

So when will you fags give him an ounce of credit? When he stands on his own goalline, shakes 5 tackles, heaves the ball 100 yards in the air with a spiral so tight it could make a nerf whistler ball jealous, into quintuple coverage that only a hummingbird could fit in on the final play to win a superbowl?...

How about just a 15 yard out delivered accurately on a semi-consitent basis?

[Kevin]

So when will you fags give him an ounce of credit? When he stands on his own goalline, shakes 5 tackles, heaves the ball 100 yards in the air with a spiral so tight it could make a nerf whistler ball jealous, into quintuple coverage that only a hummingbird could fit in on the final play to win a superbowl?...

When he becomes an NFL QB.

You know, the kind that does not misses wide open guys by 10 yards or under throws a WR by 5 yads...


Yup thats when...

[Snacks]

LMAO You guys can love him all you want. I watched every game he played here start to finish. I saw a guy that could play great when he was up 20 points, that benefited by a Jim Johnson led phenominal defense, and a coach that saw his limitations and came up with a game plan that supported his strengths getting tight ends and RBs that could catch and run like Chad Lewis, Brent Celek, Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy. When the team needed him to put them on his shoulders, give them a guy they could believe in, he couldnt do it.

Thats why 2 years after hes off the team, after other people were crowing how he was gonna lead Washington to a division title, hes sitting at home and theres not one team in the league that even wants him as a backup.

ok so mcnabb might be done but he was a beast and in his prime as good as anyone. does buf fans hate kelly? no well you guys went to 1 sb and 5 straigh nfc title games. mcnabb is now off your team and you have more talent then ever, how did you do this season? ok enough said.

[sailor]

I just love how angry people get over him.

[newport king]

So, Sanchez checking down on every pass play is better quarterbacking?

[Kevin]

So, Sanchez checking down on every pass play is better quarterbacking?

How bout we compromise and call them both terrible QBs?

[deliciousV]

And God sent his prophet from the city a mile in the sky to smite the Beast from the land of three rivers and cast the Beast into the lake of fire and brimstone of playoff oblivion....

[TripleSkeet]

ok so mcnabb might be done but he was a beast and in his prime as good as anyone. does buf fans hate kelly? no well you guys went to 1 sb and 5 straigh nfc title games. mcnabb is now off your team and you have more talent then ever, how did you do this season? ok enough said.

Ive never said McNabb is the reason we never won a Super Bowl. I just said he doesnt have the heart to carry his team to one. If Fat Andy had done better at drafting and had gotten him some decent LBs and WRs earlier in his career they mightve been good enough to win one. That SB they lost to New England was definitely winable though. He just didnt have the balls for it.

[HBox]

LMAO You guys can love him all you want. I watched every game he played here start to finish. I saw a guy that could play great when he was up 20 points, that benefited by a Jim Johnson led phenominal defense, and a coach that saw his limitations and came up with a game plan that supported his strengths getting tight ends and RBs that could catch and run like Chad Lewis, Brent Celek, Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy. When the team needed him to put them on his shoulders, give them a guy they could believe in, he couldnt do it.

Thats why 2 years after hes off the team, after other people were crowing how he was gonna lead Washington to a division title, hes sitting at home and theres not one team in the league that even wants him as a backup.

He was throwing to the likes of James Thrash, Todd Pinkston and Reggie Brown for most of his career in Philly. He wasn't the best clutch guy, he probably single-handedly cost the Eagles the NFC Championship Game against the Cardinals but he had his moments, won a ton of games, played the Patriots in their prime in the Super Bowl in a close game.

He came through sometimes, like this:

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Does anyone believe Tebow could make a pass like that?

[Snacks]

How bout we compromise and call them both terrible QBs?

agreed

[newport king]

Thats fair, im not a fan of either. However i enjoy watching jesus boy play. AND fyi, im a Raiders fan

[HBox]

Ive never said McNabb is the reason we never won a Super Bowl. I just said he doesnt have the heart to carry his team to one. If Fat Andy had done better at drafting and had gotten him some decent LBs and WRs earlier in his career they mightve been good enough to win one. That SB they lost to New England was definitely winable though. He just didnt have the balls for it.

McNabb didn't have the best game but he had a good one. I put that more on Andy. He's had over 10 years now to come up with a passable no huddle, hurry up offense and not once in his tenure have I seen it. Not with any QB he's ever had on the field.

[TripleSkeet]

McNabb didn't have the best game but he had a good one. I put that more on Andy. He's had over 10 years now to come up with a passable no huddle, hurry up offense and not once in his tenure have I seen it. Not with any QB he's ever had on the field.

Im not arguing.

[TripleSkeet]

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[Snoogans]

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even if i thought tebow was the greatest thing that ever walked in the 7600 years of this planet (awesome), if i saw this i would fuckin hate him, and he should hate himself. Look at these fuckin faggots

[hanso]

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Great game, better finish, believe the hype you haters.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I thought about it and I realize why I like Tebow:

My favorite NFL player is Wayne Chrebet. He's not a hall of famer (we all know that's Mangold's spot) but he was essential an underdog. He was told by the people who "know football" that he's too small, he's too slow, he'll never make it in the game.

Well, he put together a nice 10-year career for himself that was only cut short by injury.

I also hate a majority of sports writers who just KILLED Tebow. And the more he wins, the more he proves them wrong, and it drives them fucking bananas. I love watching their reactions on twitter because it's real, it's visceral.

So yeah. I like a guy with low expectations who proves people wrong. Kill me for it.

The haters hate because he's overhyped (but that's because it's an underdog story) but he's not taking anyone's job away. He's not an awful person. He's a decent human being who wins football games. He may not fit your ideal of what an NFL QB should be, but he gets the job done so far.

[Kevin]

The haters hate because he's overhyped (but that's because it's an underdog story) but he's not taking anyone's job away. He's not an awful person. He's a decent human being who wins football games. He may not fit your ideal of what an NFL QB should be, but he gets the job done so far.

Kyle Orton would like a word with you...

And as far as him being a good person.

I have never met a person who puts out the im a great humble guy image that was not a terrible person in private.

And all his shit seems fake to me...

People just bought into it..


I wouldn't be shocked if he has child slaves in the Philippians

[Snoogans]

I thought about it and I realize why I like Tebow:

My favorite NFL player is Wayne Chrebet. He's not a hall of famer (we all know that's Mangold's spot) but he was essential an underdog. He was told by the people who "know football" that he's too small, he's too slow, he'll never make it in the game.

Well, he put together a nice 10-year career for himself that was only cut short by injury.

I also hate a majority of sports writers who just KILLED Tebow. And the more he wins, the more he proves them wrong, and it drives them fucking bananas. I love watching their reactions on twitter because it's real, it's visceral.

So yeah. I like a guy with low expectations who proves people wrong. Kill me for it.

The haters hate because he's overhyped (but that's because it's an underdog story) but he's not taking anyone's job away. He's not an awful person. He's a decent human being who wins football games. He may not fit your ideal of what an NFL QB should be, but he gets the job done so far.

to be honest, i dont think anyone hates tebow. he is a moron (cause his beliefs, but thats my opinion, so) but he doesnt seem like a bad guy. in fact, im sure he is actually a really decent kid. its about how other people (fans and media) act and talk (at great length) about him. People hate the coverage of tebow.

Everyone knows he isnt that good. he isnt a top level QB and doesnt have a chance in hell at being one. He doesnt deserve to get that much more attention than guys who are WAYYY better. thats what pisses people off. Ive dealt with this shit for 6 fuckin years now. it was the same shit at Florida. He isnt good, and people talk about him more than they talk about some of the best players who ever played in the NFL. And its sickening. and THATS why everyone wants him to fail. so they will all shut the fuck up

[sailor]

to be honest, i dont think anyone hates tebow. he is a moron (cause his beliefs, but thats my opinion, so) but he doesnt seem like a bad guy. in fact, im sure he is actually a really decent kid. its about how other people (fans and media) act and talk (at great length) about him. People hate the coverage of tebow.

Everyone knows he isnt that good. he isnt a top level QB and doesnt have a chance in hell at being one. He doesnt deserve to get that much more attention than guys who are WAYYY better. thats what pisses people off. Ive dealt with this shit for 6 fuckin years now. it was the same shit at Florida. He isnt good, and people talk about him more than they talk about some of the best players who ever played in the NFL. And its sickening. and THATS why everyone wants him to fail. so they will all shut the fuck up

I think kevin might hate him.

[Snoogans]

I think kevin might hate him.

im at a weird spot with tebow. all i really want is a big heal turn like favre took. I was hoping in the post game interview that he would just be like well yea, im fuckin tim tebow, so of course i knew i was gonna win. it wasnt hard.


I need a heel turn.

[underdog]

I thought about it and I realize why I like Tebow:

My favorite NFL player is Wayne Chrebet. He's not a hall of famer (we all know that's Mangold's spot) but he was essential an underdog. He was told by the people who "know football" that he's too small, he's too slow, he'll never make it in the game.

Well, he put together a nice 10-year career for himself that was only cut short by injury.

I also hate a majority of sports writers who just KILLED Tebow. And the more he wins, the more he proves them wrong, and it drives them fucking bananas. I love watching their reactions on twitter because it's real, it's visceral.

So yeah. I like a guy with low expectations who proves people wrong. Kill me for it.

The haters hate because he's overhyped (but that's because it's an underdog story) but he's not taking anyone's job away. He's not an awful person. He's a decent human being who wins football games. He may not fit your ideal of what an NFL QB should be, but he gets the job done so far.

HE'S A HEISMAN TROPHY WINNING, NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING, 1ST ROUND PICK, MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR STARTING NFL QB.

He's not an underdog. Stop calling him an underdog.

[cougarjake13]

Too early for a heel turn

[Snoogans]

HE'S A HEISMAN TROPHY WINNING, NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING, 1ST ROUND PICK, MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR STARTING NFL QB.

He's not an underdog. Stop calling him an underdog.

thats right. You are underdog

[Sinestro]

Is Tebow even a US citizen? He wasn't boen in this country. So is he here legally able to play in the NFL. Check his papers.

Tebow 3:16

[Kevin]

Is Tebow even a US citizen? He wasn't boen in this country. So is he here legally able to play in the NFL. Check his papers.

Tebow 3:16

Born in the Philippians..

[Snoogans]

Born in the Philippians..

he is still a citizen.

[Sinestro]

he is still a citizen.

So he can't run for president. right? If the football thing fizzles out.

[Snoogans]

So he can't run for president. right? If the football thing fizzles out.

correct

[Kevin]

So he can't run for president. right? If the football thing fizzles out.

Nope, not unless they amend the constitution..

Though for him i could see it happening..

[Snoogans]

Nope, not unless they amend the constitution..

Though for him i could see it happening..

epo would chain himself to the washington monument

[Kevin]

epo would chain himself to the washington monument

They would make sure they trade him to the packers right before...

[Sinestro]

Wasn't McCain born on a Battleship or something? He ran for president.

[Snoogans]

Wasn't McCain born on a Battleship or something? He ran for president.

im not totally sure on this, but i believe if you are born on a military thing, or at like a base somewhere, and also if your parents were overseas working for the gov in like an embassy or something, it makes it that you were US born. not totally sure on that though

[Kevin]

Wasn't McCain born on a Battleship or something? He ran for president.

John McCain was born on August 29, 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912).[2] At that time, the Panama Canal was under U.S. control.[3]

[underdog]

thats right. You are underdog

True. Call me underdog.

[underdog]

im not totally sure on this, but i believe if you are born on a military thing, or at like a base somewhere, and also if your parents were overseas working for the gov in like an embassy or something, it makes it that you were US born. not totally sure on that though

I think that counts as US soil.

[Sinestro]

John McCain was born on August 29, 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912).[2] At that time, the Panama Canal was under U.S. control.[3]

So McCain wasn't born in this country. We would have lost either way in the last election.

[keithy_19]

Wan't Tebow's mom in the military?

All I'm saying is Tebow 2028.

[Sinestro]

If Denver, I mean Tebow beats New England........nah not going to happen but I thought the same with Pittsburgh

[Kevin]

Wan't Tebow's mom in the military?

All I'm saying is Tebow 2028.

Do gooder missionaries..

[Sinestro]

Didn't Kurt Warner "Praise the lord, Thank you Jesus" stuff like Tebow is doing now? Don't remember people ragging on him as much.

[Kevin]

Didn't Kurt Warner "Praise the lord, Thank you Jesus" stuff like Tebow is doing now? Don't remember people ragging on him as much.

Well, it helped that he was actually good...

[Snoogans]

Well, it helped that he was actually good...

and even still, how many fuckin times did we have to hear about him workin in the fuckin grocery store. ENOUGH, HE WON A SB. SHUT UP WITH THE FUCKIN STORE

[Tenbatsuzen]

The sticking point with Obama is that his dad wasn't a citizen. Both of Tebow's parents are citizens, so he's a citizen. He can run.

[Sinestro]

and even still, how many fuckin times did we have to hear about him workin in the fuckin grocery store. ENOUGH, HE WON A SB. SHUT UP WITH THE FUCKIN STORE

Gotta admit though, he did throw the perfect paper towel spiral.

Thank you Jesus!

[Snoogans]

The sticking point with Obama is that his dad wasn't a citizen. Both of Tebow's parents are citizens, so he's a citizen. He can run.

no he cant. cause he wasnt born in the United States. thats part of it. Thats why everyone wanted obama to prove he was born in hawaii

[hanso]

Roethlisberger bent back looking and pointing to the sky after that tying TD pass.

[Sinestro]

The sticking point with Obama is that his dad wasn't a citizen. Both of Tebow's parents are citizens, so he's a citizen. He can run.

I thought Obama's sticking point was he was black.

[Sinestro]

When Tebow ran all the way down at the end and this his Tebow thing, why didn't they throw the flag for unsportsmanship and negate the touchdown?

[Snoogans]

When Tebow ran all the way down at the end and this his Tebow thing, why didn't they throw the flag for unsportsmanship and negate the touchdown?

you have to taunt before you score to negate the TD

[Kevin]

The sticking point with Obama is that his dad wasn't a citizen. Both of Tebow's parents are citizens, so he's a citizen. He can run.

When you are right you are right...

The terms of citizenship are interpreted very strictly. A President must be a natural born citizen, meaning that immigrants are not eligible to run for President, no matter how long they have lived in the United States. If a child of American citizens is born abroad, he or she is technically considered a natural born citizen, and can therefore hold Presidential office. In addition, a Presidential candidate must have actually lived in the United States for at least 14 years, presumably so that he or she is aware of general issues which impact the American populace.

[Snoogans]

no he cant. cause he wasnt born in the United States. thats part of it. Thats why everyone wanted obama to prove he was born in hawaii

ok apparently not. apparently if it is jsut 2 citizens, you are good no matter where you were born. thats kinda stupid though. should you be a natural born citizen of whatever country you were in?

[Sinestro]

The only thing good about Tebow winning, the Giants winning is that I won't hear all the stuff about the Jets that they have been talking about on the radio the while week till next season

[Tenbatsuzen]

no he cant. cause he wasnt born in the United States. thats part of it. Thats why everyone wanted obama to prove he was born in hawaii

If he was born in the US, he's a citizen (hence the term anchor baby)

But if he was born abroad to one citizen and one non-citizen, then that's the problem. That's why people were flipping out, they thought he was born abroad.

From Wikipedia:

Birth abroad to two United States citizens
A child is automatically granted citizenship in the following cases:

Both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child's birth
The parents are married
At least one parent lived in the United States prior to the child's birth. INA 301(c) and INA 301(a)(3) state, "and one of whom has had a residence."

The FAM (Foreign Affairs Manual) states "no amount of time specified."

A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of citizenship. They may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have their citizenship recognized.

NATURALIZED citizens (like Schwarzenegger) can't run because they became citizens later in life.

Being on US soil has nothing to do with it if both parents are citizens.

[Snoogans]

If he was born in the US, he's a citizen (hence the term anchor baby)

But if he was born abroad to one citizen and one non-citizen, then that's the problem. That's why people were flipping out, they thought he was born abroad.

From Wikipedia:

Birth abroad to two United States citizens
A child is automatically granted citizenship in the following cases:

Both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child's birth
The parents are married
At least one parent lived in the United States prior to the child's birth. INA 301(c) and INA 301(a)(3) state, "and one of whom has had a residence."

The FAM (Foreign Affairs Manual) states "no amount of time specified."

A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of citizenship. They may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have their citizenship recognized.

NATURALIZED citizens (like Schwarzenegger) can't run because they became citizens later in life.

Being on US soil has nothing to do with it if both parents are citizens.

yea we got that already. look up in the thread

[Sinestro]

So is Rex Ryan the Patrick Ewing of NY Guarentees yet?

[Kevin]

yea we got that already. look up in the thread

And it was done in 3 lines not a thesis.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And it was done in 3 lines not a thesis.

Sorry for the spoon.

[Snoogans]

Sorry for the spoon.

HA

that was actually fuckin funny

[Kevin]

Sorry for the spoon.

Alright

I gotta admit it... that was funny...

[TripleSkeet]

HE'S A HEISMAN TROPHY WINNING, NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING, 1ST ROUND PICK, MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR STARTING NFL QB.

He's not an underdog. Stop calling him an underdog.

According to Vegas, hes a 13 1/2 point underdog this week.

[Tenbatsuzen]

HE'S A HEISMAN TROPHY WINNING, NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING, 1ST ROUND PICK, MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR STARTING NFL QB.

He's not an underdog. Stop calling him an underdog.

The only reason he was a first round pick is because McDaniels was an idiot.

And the thing the Tebow haters keep parroting is how much different the college game is than the pro game, and how Tebow doesn't have the skills to make it as a pro quarterback.

He wasn't an underdog in college. But he definitely qualifies as one now, because most people think he's not a good football player and the key is he will NEVER make it as a pro football player.

[Snacks]

Do gooder missionaries..

you mean forcing religion on others in order for food, shelter and medical help.

[Snacks]

The sticking point with Obama is that his dad wasn't a citizen. Both of Tebow's parents are citizens, so he's a citizen. He can run.

you dont need to have any parents be citizens just have to be born on american soil. obamas was born somewhere in america it doesnt matter who is father was, where his father was from.

[Snacks]

ok apparently not. apparently if it is jsut 2 citizens, you are good no matter where you were born. thats kinda stupid though. should you be a natural born citizen of whatever country you were in?

kind of, many people have dual citizenship's of the countries their parents are from even though they were born in america.

[PapaBear]

you dont need to have any parents be citizens just have to be born on american soil. obamas was born somewhere in america it doesnt matter who is father was, where his father was from.
hanso... How many times have I told you to stop hacking Snack's account? :nono:

[Snacks]

According to Vegas, hes a 13 1/2 point underdog this week.

yeah its not all about jesus jr thats about the team and thats why so many people dont like him. TEAM is 13.5 point dog.

[Snacks]

hanso... How many times have I told you to stop hacking Snack's account? :nono:

i dont get it

[Tenbatsuzen]

you dont need to have any parents be citizens just have to be born on american soil. obamas was born somewhere in america it doesnt matter who is father was, where his father was from.

You're not following.

Tebow can run for president because he was borne of two citizens. Location of his birth does not matter.

Obama's problem (the whole birther issue) is the theory that he was NOT born in America, he was born in Keyna, where his dad is from.

Since Obama's dad is not a citizen, he couldn't run for president.

I mentioned anchor babies above, but that doesn't apply in either case.

[Snacks]

You're not following.

Tebow can run for president because he was borne of two citizens. Location of his birth does not matter.

Obama's problem (the whole birther issue) is the theory that he was NOT born in America, he was born in Keyna, where his dad is from.

Since Obama's dad is not a citizen, he couldn't run for president.

I mentioned anchor babies above, but that doesn't apply in either case.

i was commenting on obama not tebow and obama was born in america. that was my point, i didnt care what birthers said they were making shit up for their own cause.

[spoon]

If the Giants play D like they have been for 3weeks now, epos shitty D will get torched.

huh?

:wacko:

That Giant defense is going to take it to the Pack defense huh?

[spoon]

I am so sick of this horrible refereeing I'm starting to consider giving up on this season. First blowing the obvious backward pass on Pittsburgh's last drive, and then that ridiculous pass interference call. So receivers can just stop and when they are run into by a trailing cornerback it's interference?

I'm tired of watching games and wondering how the game would have turned out had the refs not blown a shitload of calls.

I completely agree on this. And not ONE of those 15 yarders should have been called, yet if so, how ISN'T that helmet to helmet called on Denver later? I fucking HATE this defenseless wr/head shots rule if it's just part of the play/game. It's one thing to spear a guy on the ground or while tackling, it's another to have it happen during a good football play/pass breakup. We'll never have another Ronnie Lott, Ronnie Harrison or even Dawkins/Palalfjaofamamanau for that matter. They become labeled like Dunta Robinson instead of being forces and feared in the middle of the field.

[spoon]

this is the 1st time a qb being shit actually helped a team win ( actually every game den wins this is the reason). pitt was playing run all the way all game because tebow sucks at throwing the ball and because he sucks and this is what happened. wow im s sick right now.

That OT play was set up all game bc Denver almost always ran that shitty handoff up the middle "religiously" only to fake the whole f'n Pitt D to end the game. It would have been sweet if he missed that pass too, but I have to say Tebow from the second qtr on actually played his best game I've seen of him...by a mile.

[spoon]

I'm sure by saying this I will jinx it in some way but New England and Baltimore can pretty much sleepwalk their way to the AFC Championship Game.

One would think.

[spoon]

Fuck the haters. No hes not pretty. He passed against a dick lebeau defense and won the game on a pass. Now give me the excuses

nk, he still sucks in a big way

he was just playing at home against the shittiest Pitt team in years with a TON of injuries on D!

[spoon]

I told you cunts how great Demaryius Thomas is.

Tebow threw for 316, Thomas had 204 of that.

Sad for him, though, that no one will mention his name this week. It will be all Tebow. ESPN is now talking about how Tebow progressed as a passer. HE THREW A 9 YARD SLANT THAT THOMAS TURNED INTO AN 80 YARD GAME WINNER.

Are you trying to say nobody knows of DT or did even last year as he battled through injuries? The dude just missed a 100 yard game to go with a td in his first week of action off a camp injury in week #2 of his rookie season. The guy was the first fucking WR picked in the 2010 draft out of GT, 22nd overall and before Dez Bryant.

This is FAR from some crazy sleeper, sneaky pick to be a good wr...even in Denver. The guy is a monster, he just needs to stay fucking healthy.

[spoon]

Do you even watch football?

Seriously?

If it was a swing pass, I could see your point, but Tebow read the fucking defense and got the ball to him 10-15 yards off the line. IT WAS OPEN FIELD FROM THAT POINT. He gave a stiff arm to one safety and that was it.

I'm not saying that was all Tebow, but lets not act he shook off four defenders and took a bunch of hits doing down field.

The same can be said to you on this, bc he did NOT make some fancy read there as it was the play call by McCoy and set up by the team/McCoy the whole fucking game. Pay attention fanboy.

[spoon]

Again: Tebow read the defense. THERE WAS NO ONE IN THE SECONDARY TO STOP HIM.

Again, you're wrong.

Did he make the pass, execute the play called? Did he have a much better game overall (yet still eh numbers % wise and more) and Kev's comment is off? Yest to all of these, but he did NOT make some Peyton Manning-esque read you fool.


* Nice to see/read that so many others just killed Tenbats for claiming Tebow "read the d". He was so confident and brazen about it, he posted it twice and in caps. Some funny shit.

[spoon]

Are you for real?

"Despite the numbers, he was terrible".

HE WON THE FUCKING GAME. Yeah, his completion percentage was under 60 percent but he still threw for 300+ and ran for a TD. What the fuck do you want?

under 60%?

you meant under 48% yet still above his average on for the 2011 season so he's got that going for him

[spoon]

I think Schottenheimer is the reason why Sanchez' growth is stunted, so that's why I said "right now". If Sanchez still sucks next year w/o Schotty, then my mind will be set.

wait wait, an OC is the reason Sanchez sucks and always has, while Norv, the HC can't be a huge factor in the awful season in SD...you know, the one where even Rivers dug himself out? you're funny

[spoon]

LMAO You guys can love him all you want. I watched every game he played here start to finish. I saw a guy that could play great when he was up 20 points, that benefited by a Jim Johnson led phenominal defense, and a coach that saw his limitations and came up with a game plan that supported his strengths getting tight ends and RBs that could catch and run like Chad Lewis, Brent Celek, Brian Westbrook and Shady McCoy. When the team needed him to put them on his shoulders, give them a guy they could believe in, he couldnt do it.

Thats why 2 years after hes off the team, after other people were crowing how he was gonna lead Washington to a division title, hes sitting at home and theres not one team in the league that even wants him as a backup.

he's old ts, it's pretty simple ... not to mention he seemingly got more and more out of shape and lost his ground game/support altogether.

oh and the eagles are just LIGHTING it up with Vick/Young this year w/o him either

[spoon]

Thats fair, im not a fan of either. However i enjoy watching jesus boy play. AND fyi, im a Raiders fan

Would you say you're a religious person?

[spoon]

I thought about it and I realize why I like Tebow:

My favorite NFL player is Wayne Chrebet. He's not a hall of famer (we all know that's Mangold's spot) but he was essential an underdog. He was told by the people who "know football" that he's too small, he's too slow, he'll never make it in the game.

Well, he put together a nice 10-year career for himself that was only cut short by injury.

I also hate a majority of sports writers who just KILLED Tebow. And the more he wins, the more he proves them wrong, and it drives them fucking bananas. I love watching their reactions on twitter because it's real, it's visceral.

So yeah. I like a guy with low expectations who proves people wrong. Kill me for it.

The haters hate because he's overhyped (but that's because it's an underdog story) but he's not taking anyone's job away. He's not an awful person. He's a decent human being who wins football games. He may not fit your ideal of what an NFL QB should be, but he gets the job done so far.

HE'S A HEISMAN TROPHY WINNING, NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING, 1ST ROUND PICK, MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR STARTING NFL QB.

He's not an underdog. Stop calling him an underdog.

It's funny bc it's so idiotic AND it's linking him to your name too!

And tenbats, cool story bro!

The two players you compare aren't even close in story in any fucking way! Most people who don't even like the jets never hated on Wayne Chrebet. So just stop with this line of crap too, thanks.

[Snacks]

It's funny bc it's so idiotic AND it's linking him to your name too!

And tenbats, cool story bro!

The two players you compare aren't even close in story in any fucking way! Most people who don't even like the jets never hated on Wayne Chrebet. So just stop with this line of crap too, thanks.

exactly, i liked him for his toughness and that he played all out and made a league that usually turns its back to guys like him.

Even Jets haters like me couldnt hate chrebet or Curtis Martin etc.

[spoon]

And Harrison was fucking soooo awful in this game and played very selfish/stupid football. He continues to lose his outside contain and let up so many huge plays overall. On top of this, Clark was missed so much it was unreal. And finally, Ben took 20 step drops like fucking Rivers earlier this year and it killed him overall. He didn't often stay in the pocket in fearless fashion until late in the game, and it worked too. Pitt was a 10 yard pass from setting up for a good chance to win this game with 30 seconds left. Only with Tebow can they shit to bed with a sack/fumble combo to lose that shot and then get the ball to win in that fucking fashion. I said it watching with family, this game was done even though I was rooting for the reverse Tebow.

[cougarjake13]

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399598_10151122483025062_811850061_21876548_162221 8949_n.jpg?dl=1

[cougarjake13]

It's fitting that he got drafted by Denver

He's a mile closer to god

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399598_10151122483025062_811850061_21876548_162221 8949_n.jpg?dl=1

Haw haw!

[epo]

I missed the discussion of the last few pages. I think this is the summary:

1. Tebow likes Jesus
2. Tebow and Sanchez are both shitty QBs.
3. Thomas is a great WR
4. Marty wants Tebow to be the President.

Did I miss anything?

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's the thing: if Tebow can actually learn to throw, he is indeed gonna be awesome. But the fact is that the Steelers were completely giving up the pass all day, and he was still successful on less than half of his passes.

I know that Tebow does seem to have this thing of making some awesome play at just the right time, but you can't count on that. A franchise quarterback can't suck most of the time but have a "flash of brilliance" at the end; they've gotta be great the entire game.

Tebow has the "intangibles" that they always talk about for a QB: he's smart, he seems to be a good leader, and, as much as he can suck the rest of the game, he doesn't seem to choke. But you need more than "intangibles." The problem with Tebow is the fundamental mechanics of his game. And it may be, sadly, that he just doesn't have what he needs to fix those.

Until Tebow shows much more consistency in his passing game, the Broncos would be stupid to commit to him as their franchise quarterback. And I think Elway knows this, but the stupid fans are just blown away by him and think that benching him means you hate Jesus.

[underdog]

Are you trying to say nobody knows of DT or did even last year as he battled through injuries? The dude just missed a 100 yard game to go with a td in his first week of action off a camp injury in week #2 of his rookie season. The guy was the first fucking WR picked in the 2010 draft out of GT, 22nd overall and before Dez Bryant.

This is FAR from some crazy sleeper, sneaky pick to be a good wr...even in Denver. The guy is a monster, he just needs to stay fucking healthy.

No, I meant I talked about how great he was a couple weeks ago (and how much better he'd be without Tebow) and people here commented about how come he hadn't put up huge numbers before. I think you agreed with me.

He had disappeared in Denver, but he's a fucking beast.

[JimBeam]

This Tebow stuff drives me crazy.

Sure there are people on the the exreme who want to give him all of the credit but there are far too many more that disecet a game finding out why they win in spite of Tebow.

I mean everybody knew going into the game that Pittsburgh was banged up but they still had Harrison, Polemoleu ( sp ??? ), Big Ben and Hines Ward some of their better players.

Yet now the reason they lost has nothing to do what what Denver did but what Pittsburgh couldn't do because of injuries ?

You don't hear much about how good offensive lines and kickers when Brady wins but all of a sudden when a " below average " QB helps his teams win games it's all about the supporting cast and not the QB.

I didn't think Denver had a chance to win that game as I didn't think they had a chance to win against the Jets and I don't think they'll beat the Patriots

But obvioulsy they are doing something right and it's working so who knows.

I guess I can expect to hear about who the Patriots didn't have for the game if Denver pulls off te upset.

[JimBeam]

I hate when broadcasters and sports talk people refer to players by their nicknames.

And why the hell is Matt Ryan known as " Matty Ice " ?

Does he have some incredible winning percentage or come from behind record that I'm unaware of ?

What's so " ice " about him ?