2011-12 NFL Season

[spoon]

They are renaming Versus.

this, but putting a lot behind it too

will be nice to see some good national comp for espn

[Snacks]

this, but putting a lot behind it too

will be nice to see some good national comp for espn

they own versus and are turning that into an espn type network? that would be great but we know what will happen they will get some pub and viewers then go over the top to and become just like espn.

[Kevin]

this, but putting a lot behind it too

will be nice to see some good national comp for espn

With the way NBC shit handles their actual network, you actually believe they won't do as shit of a job with this?

[spoon]

comp is never bad

and they start with hockey so I'll back them immediately

[spoon]

they also have MLB, NFL, NBA, Olympics and more

i think it'll be very interesting

[Crash]

Versus is currently channel 603 on my DirectTV. Don't know where it is on cable, but if they want to make some noise they better get out of the channel backwaters.

[hanso]

They better bring back Battle of the Network Stars to make up for this rate hike on my bill. And have tight tees in pools with full bosoms.

[HBox]

I wish they played that San Diego Super Chargers song in the background of the entire game.

[spoon]

I wish they played that San Diego Super Chargers song in the background of the entire game.

everyone does!


f jammer, catch that!

[spoon]

nice toss flacco!

[spoon]

who did the nonsense!?

did I miss that, wtf are they thinking

I know they must have done something douchey, but they didn't show it.

[cougarjake13]

How fuckin crazy is it that if things break right the chargers and eagles culd still win their divisions

[spoon]

How fuckin crazy is it that if things break right the chargers and eagles culd still win their divisions

the eagles have no shot, and sd's is quite small too

if chicago had won, yah we'd be talking...but they didn't

[spoon]

trust me, just stopping espn wonder boy from getting into the playoffs would be sweet, so if losing to the Raiders in week 17 is needed to stop them, I'll root for Oak for the first time in my life.

[HBox]

the eagles have no shot, and sd's is quite small too

if chicago had won, yah we'd be talking...but they didn't

IF the Eagles win out AND the Jets beat the Giants next week AND the Giants beat the Cowboys Week 17 then the Eagles are in.

It's possible I suppose.

[Crash]

Rivers just took quite a fuckin' shot from Suggs.

[spoon]

IF the Eagles win out AND the Jets beat the Giants next week AND the Giants beat the Cowboys Week 17 then the Eagles are in.

It's possible I suppose.

I guess it's not that tough, I just never realized they play Dallas next week which really helps. Relying on the Jets is kind of scary though, especially since it's followed by relying on the very team you want them to beat and they'd surely be demoralized by then.

[spoon]

Rivers just took quite a fuckin' shot from Suggs.

he has taken them all fucking year

o-line has been more hurt than Snacks feelings when we blast Marino, tv and fast food

[HBox]

I guess it's not that tough, I just never realized they play Dallas next week which really helps. Relying on the Jets is kind of scary though, especially since it's followed by relying on the very team you want them to beat and they'd surely be demoralized by then.

The good thing about it is that if things shake out the right way next week the Eagles play the Redskins and the Giants play the Cowboys all at 1pm week 17. And going in every team will still be alive. So there's that.

I still expect the Cowboys to definitively end things for the Eagles next week.

[spoon]

nice

Tolbert just made Lewis his bitch!

[spoon]

it's so awesome SD handed away wins to Denver, KC, Jets and even arguably helped GB A LOT!

SD the place where talent goes to lose under Norv

[hanso]

Rivers just took quite a fuckin' shot from Suggs.

When I sacrificed him on the fantasy waiver wire it made him immortal. He can not be stopped now.

[Snacks]

it's so awesome SD handed away wins to Denver, KC, Jets and even arguably helped GB A LOT!

SD the place where talent goes to lose under Norv

for years and years to come!!!

[spoon]

for years and years to come!!!

not likely



and i hate you! :furious:

[cougarjake13]

IF the Eagles win out AND the Jets beat the Giants next week AND the Giants beat the Cowboys Week 17 then the Eagles are in.

It's possible I suppose.

Yeh under that scenario all 3 would be 8-8 and eagles would win all tiebreakers

[A.J.]

It looks like the Chargers are in their annual "Save Norv's Job" mode.

Yep -- it's December, the most wonderful time of the year.

[Fallon]

I mentioned weeks ago that the Pats would stop the Broncos winning steak. Booyah.

[cougarjake13]

Congrats Fallon although it wasn't looking good early on
They did it backwards

[NickyL0885]

Not NFL related but did take place at Cowboys Stadium.

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[hanso]

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So was this in Denver.

[spoon]

I mentioned weeks ago that the Pats would stop the Broncos winning steak. Booyah.

even though every other f'n team they played should have done it first

[cougarjake13]

even though every other f'n team they played should have done it first

shoulda coulda woulda

[spoon]

he suckas





and tough pick tonight with the SF/Pitt game

how long has it been since we had a good matchup like this sunday/monday night?

[cougarjake13]

he suckas





and tough pick tonight with the SF/Pitt game

how long has it been since we had a good matchup like this sunday/monday night?

not prob since week one or two

[hanso]

Turn out the lights the pregames over. Is an earthquake comming?

[HBox]

I cannot adequately describe how much I hate watching games on ESPN. It's fucking awful on every level.

[disneyspy]

I cannot adequately describe how much I hate watching games on ESPN. It's fucking awful on every level.

this extra long pre game is fucking brutal

[HBox]

Why are they letting Roethslisberger play? He can't even jog.

[Crash]

Why are they letting Roethslisberger play? He can't even jog.

I was about to say that it doesn't matter because Wallace just brought him down the field and he just threw one into the end zone for six...

...then he threw a pick that I guarantee wouldn't have happened if he could walk as God intended...

...and I decided to just shut the fuck up.

[cougarjake13]

I was about to say that it doesn't matter because Wallace just brought him down the field and he just threw one into the end zone for six...

...then he threw a pick that I guarantee wouldn't have happened if he could walk as God intended...

...and I decided to just shut the fuck up.

with balt losing i guess theyre trying to go for division and keep pace with ne but whats the point if u dont have a healthy ben in playoffs

[Crash]

with balt losing i guess theyre trying to go for division and keep pace with ne but whats the point if u dont have a healthy ben in playoffs

This...

...two picks. Ben's not on his game and you're not going to go far in the playoffs if he's on his back.

Who's the back-up? Batch?

[disneyspy]

This...

...two picks. Ben's not on his game and you're not going to go far in the playoffs if he's on his back.

Who's the back-up? Batch?

but even a 2nd seed gets you that bye week for ben to recover,they have to be ahead of baltimore

[cougarjake13]

but even a 2nd seed gets you that bye week for ben to recover,they have to be ahead of baltimore

but he culd be more fucked up going for that bye then just resting now



balt has cleve at home and then at cincy who may still be going for a playoff spot


pitt has st louis at home then at cleve


assuming pitt loses tonight or benches ben and they lose theyre tied at 10-4 and i like pitts chances at winning both their remaining games and resting ben tonight

[Crash]

Michaels called Roethlisberger "indestructible".

Believe me, I'n not questioning the guy's toughness - he's been sacked over 300 times and has proven his ability and willingness to play injured. But this is one of the most battered guys in the NFL. I can't see him playing at 35 - just from the concussions alone.

Not sure indestructible is the best description for Big Ben.

but even a 2nd seed gets you that bye week for ben to recover,they have to be ahead of baltimore

I'm tellin' ya Spy...keep a hurt Roethlisberger at the stick and in two weeks Pitt fans will be putting all of their Superbowl hopes on Dennis Dixon.

[Crash]

Sure...all of the house lights are off...but the advertising signs around the perimeter of the stadium are still fired up and burning bright!

[HBox]

Bitches need to pay they bills.

[KnoxHarrington]

No wonder the Niners want to get out of that shithouse.

[cougarjake13]

Sure...all of the house lights are off...but the advertising signs around the perimeter of the stadium are still fired up and burning bright!

priorities

[cougarjake13]

I'm tellin' ya Spy...keep a hurt Roethlisberger at the stick and in two weeks Pitt fans will be putting all of their Superbowl hopes on Dennis Dixon.

theyre carrying 4 quarterbacks ?? dixon must be listed as a wr or something cause i know i saw leftwich on the field and theres batch as the 2

[Crash]

theyre carrying 4 quarterbacks ?? dixon must be listed as a wr or something cause i know i saw leftwich on the field and theres batch as the 2

Not according the the Steelers' official site:

http://www.steelers.com/team/depth-chart.html

[disneyspy]

romoliciuos musta got fantasy advice from cougarjake

[cougarjake13]

romoliciuos musta got fantasy advice from cougarjake

hahaha

whats the breakdown currently
hillis and gore

how many points each

[disneyspy]

hillis 16.80

gore 4.30

my mascara is running

[cougarjake13]

hillis 16.80

gore 4.30

my mascara is running

how much are u down ??

[disneyspy]

how much are u down ??

thanks to browns yards this last drive only 2.3,i've got gore and brown and hes got crabtree



and woodhead

[Gutter]

thanks to browns yards this last drive only 2.3,i've got gore and brown and hes got crabtree



and woodhead

hahaha nice. This is getting pretty damn close.

[disneyspy]

i really fucked up this week
heres my bench



Peyton Hillis
(Cle - RB)
@Ari L, 20-17 30% 0 0 0 99 1 9 0 0 0 0 16.80
BN
Malcom Floyd
(SD - WR)
Bal W, 34-14 13% 0 0 0 0 0 96 1 0 0 0 15.60
BN
Steve Smith
(Car - WR)
@Hou W, 28-13 80% 0 0 0 0 0 82 1 0 0 0 14.20
BN


Seattle
(Sea - DEF)
@Chi W, 38-14 33% 8 4 0 4 1 2 0 0 30.00

[epo]

i really fucked up this week
heres my bench



Peyton Hillis
(Cle - RB)
@Ari L, 20-17 30% 0 0 0 99 1 9 0 0 0 0 16.80
BN
Malcom Floyd
(SD - WR)
Bal W, 34-14 13% 0 0 0 0 0 96 1 0 0 0 15.60
BN
Steve Smith
(Car - WR)
@Hou W, 28-13 80% 0 0 0 0 0 82 1 0 0 0 14.20
BN


Seattle
(Sea - DEF)
@Chi W, 38-14 33% 8 4 0 4 1 2 0 0 30.00

You might be the least interesting MOD ever.

[disneyspy]

You might be the least interesting MOD ever.

i have arron rodgers too and i'm not a mod

[cougarjake13]

thanks to browns yards this last drive only 2.3,i've got gore and brown and hes got crabtree



and woodhead

so what the hell are you bitching about ?? yeh the extra hillis points would put you up ten but you got 2 guys vs his one


youre fine

[disneyspy]

so what the hell are you bitching about ?? yeh the extra hillis points would put you up ten but you got 2 guys vs his one


youre fine

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3077/3145772473_3ba4bee790_z.jpg

[epo]

i have arron rodgers too and i'm not a mod

Keep it up First and Ted.

[disneyspy]

Keep it up First and Ted.

i'm down by 1.2 points

[disneyspy]

woo hoo!! frank gore!!

[keithy_19]

Not that I care who wins, but what an awful call by the refs on the field goal.

[Judge Smails]

Did everyone just get an NBC Sports Network commercial or did this just run on Comcast sytems? Because why would ESPN allow an NBC Sports Network commercial to run when NBC is positioning the channel to eventually directly compete with ESPN?

[disneyspy]

Did everyone just get an NBC Sports Network commercial or did this just run on Comcast sytems? Because why would ESPN allow an NBC Sports Network commercial to run when NBC is positioning the channel to eventually directly compete with ESPN?

i got charter cable internet commercial and a local car dealer(quick dvr check)

[Kevin]

Did everyone just get an NBC Sports Network commercial or did this just run on Comcast sytems? Because why would ESPN allow an NBC Sports Network commercial to run when NBC is positioning the channel to eventually directly compete with ESPN?

Same like you see Fios in cablevision ads.

If they pay the fee they have to show it.

They do not have a choice, its a legal thing.

[Judge Smails]

i got charter cable internet commercial and a local car dealer(quick dvr check)

Pretty slick of Comcast to slip those commercials in there. You would think that networks would have a say over what spots run on their channels.

[Gutter]

woo hoo!! frank gore!!

you lucky son of a bitch!

[disneyspy]

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[Gutter]

yea yea yea.....you should've had me by about 40 points before tonight's game anyway.

[disneyspy]

if it wasnt for that leaping penalty i was done

[PapaBear]

Pretty slick of Comcast to slip those commercials in there. You would think that networks would have a say over what spots run on their channels.
It happens all the time. You see Dish, DirectTV, Fios, etc commercials on cable. Why not and NBC ad on an ABC network?

[Gutter]

if it wasnt for that leaping penalty i was done

Yea, I just saw that.....apparently that was a pretty big deal.

[PapaBear]

Plus, the NFL probably has say over a certain percentage of the national ads in their contract.

[disneyspy]

It happens all the time. You see Dish, DirectTV, Fios, etc commercials on cable. Why not and NBC ad on an ABC network?

tsss ya i see volkswagon rabbit commercials on FOX all the time tssss ssssss

[PapaBear]

Rabbits are stupid and foxes are sly.

[disneyspy]

Yea, I just saw that.....apparently that was a pretty big deal.

it gave SF a first down and gore ran it in for a TD

[Gutter]

it gave SF a first down and gore ran it in for a TD

yes diz....I am aware of the ramifications of that penalty. Thank you for clarifying though haha.

[disneyspy]

you were ahead of me late in the game until that gore TD

[PapaBear]

Touchdowns are better than field goals, BTW.

[Judge Smails]

It happens all the time. You see Dish, DirectTV, Fios, etc commercials on cable. Why not and NBC ad on an ABC network?

I realize this but the reason I think its sneakier than usual is that its Comcast, which owns NBC running a commercial for its own network which is intended to compete with ESPN.

I suspect that when you see those Dish, Direct TV etc. ads run on ESPN that's ESPN getting the ad money and running it. Comcast runs its own spots on ESPN (usually local car dealers, for example). I doubt Comcast would run Direct TV spots in competition with itself. However, here they're pretty much running their own spot (free to itself) in competition with ESPN on ESPN's own channel.

Maybe its not as big a deal as I'm imagining it. I just found it odd.

[Gutter]

you were ahead of me late in the game until that gore TD

Jeezus Diz, you're a regular Sherlock fucking Holmes tonight ain't ya? hahaha

[spoon]

No wonder the Niners want to get out of that shithouse.

and what a better time to then Monday night on national tv to show the league and world

[PapaBear]

and what a better time to then Monday night on national tv to show the league and world
The last time I remember there being a blackout on MNF, John Lennon got killed.

[spoon]

The last time I remember there being a blackout on MNF, John Lennon got killed.

u and dspy alone remember that one!

[Snoogans]

The last time I remember there being a blackout on MNF, John Lennon got killed.

there is a blackout every single time they play in Detroit

[hanso]

you lucky son of a bitch!

I was pulling for Crabtree after that twitter prank he pulled. Point your mouse on the T under his nic.

[hanso]

You might be the least interesting MOD ever.

If he beats Hats For Mod in the semis he gets it back.


And I see my team had kicked ass as 1 player got put on IR Fitting.

[disneyspy]

what prank?

[CountryBob]

FUCK - I had picked Pitt last week on Tuesday and didnt know that RBerger was hurt - he looked terrible last night. And it cost me big in the fantasy league I am in that takes the whole season of picking winners (by allocating points).

I finished second last year and am so close to first (until the game last night) FUCK!

[cougarjake13]

So how'd u finish d spy?

[disneyspy]

So how'd u finish d spy?

i lucked out and won by 5,that late leaping penalty and gore running for 12 and a TD won it for me,i was done,caput but i lucked out and gore got that TD,he was still my lowest RB total but i lucked out and got that late TD

[cougarjake13]

So it all worked out

I just trusted gore more then hillis

[spoon]

FUCK - I had picked Pitt last week on Tuesday and didnt know that RBerger was hurt - he looked terrible last night. And it cost me big in the fantasy league I am in that takes the whole season of picking winners (by allocating points).

I finished second last year and am so close to first (until the game last night) FUCK!

get out of the tree stand and pay attention you sob!

nah, that sucks and I almost did the same thing. Once I saw him hobbling all over the field in warmups I knew it would have a huge impact on his game. His mobility/escapability is so huge to that offense, not to mention his throwing lanes were never good bc he couldn't get better angles like he normally does. He was way overthrowing all night bc he couldn't drive through the throw as he normally does too. I couldn't believe he was in there so late either.

[cougarjake13]

i picked green bay


that worked out for me

[hanso]

Snacks
Check it out
Miami Dolphins activate rookie QB Pat Devlin; linebacker Koa Misi (shoulder) on IRL

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/miami-dolphins-activate-rookie-qb-pat-devlin-linebacker-2043763.html?cxtype=rss_dolphins

Might play? who knows.

[Snacks]

Snacks
Check it out
Miami Dolphins activate rookie QB Pat Devlin; linebacker Koa Misi (shoulder) on IRL

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/miami-dolphins-activate-rookie-qb-pat-devlin-linebacker-2043763.html?cxtype=rss_dolphins

Might play? who knows.

They should let him if only to see what they have in him. I doubt they will, they seem to like Moore but I dont I think he is terrible. For every great play he makes he looks terrible on 3. If they keep shit bag Ireland I have a feeling they will let Henne walk (they should re-sign him), they will re-sign Moore instead (they shouldnt) and draft someone in the 1st round and never give Devlin a shot. I hope that doesnt happen but they havent made a good decision in a long time so nothing will surprise me.

1 good thing that has happened, Reggie Bush has proven to be a good every down back. If they only threw to him more he would be a beast this year. He should end with 1100 or more yards rushing and 7 or 8 tds. He already has a career year with 2 games left!

[spoon]

They should let him if only to see what they have in him. I doubt they will, they seem to like Moore but I dont I think he is terrible. For every great play he makes he looks terrible on 3. If they keep shit bag Ireland I have a feeling they will let Henne walk (they should re-sign him), they will re-sign Moore instead (they shouldnt) and draft someone in the 1st round and never give Devlin a shot. I hope that doesnt happen but they havent made a good decision in a long time so nothing will surprise me.

1 good thing that has happened, Reggie Bush has proven to be a good every down back. If they only threw to him more he would be a beast this year. He should end with 1100 or more yards rushing and 7 or 8 tds. He already has a career year with 2 games left!

well that's what happens when you go from mostly a 3rd down back/receiving rb out of the backfield to ultimately the main rb option / full-time back.

I don't think he's a good bt the tackles guy to this very moment and a few good games with Miami have not convinced me yet. They've used him better of late no doubt, but I'm just not convinced.

And let's be honest, he already has 37 more carries and 4 more starts than his busiest year running in the past, and yet still hasn't matched his yardage/td totals for a career year as you stated. He's still just over 1200 yeards total and in 06 he had over 1300 with only 8 games started. He also hit 8 tds twice before and has yet to hit that mark this year. So he's having a solid year, but not necessary his career year just yet.

[Snacks]

Great article about passing in the NFL from back in the day to now. Its about Brees passing Marinos record.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/16542102/tenpoint-stance-when-brees-passes-marinos-mark-it-deserves-an-asterisk

some great parts.

His throws were unbelievably accurate and he did this during a ferocious era of NFL defense. The 1980s were one of the more violent in football when athleticism on the defensive side of the ball, in many ways, was better than the offense. Players like Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White and Ronnie Lott, among many others -- head hunters and rib breakers -- were allowed great latitude to do massive damage to wide receivers and quarterbacks. Receivers weren't protected and quarterbacks were brutalized.

this says it all about this era in the NFL compared to the previous 50 years.

Trent Green, Joe Flacco, David Garrard, Donovan McNabb, Rich Gannon, Shaun Hill, Jay Cutler and Marc Bulger (again all played bulk of career in 2000s) have better ratings than Warren Moon, Dan Fouts and John Elway who played the bulk or a significant portion of their careers in the 1980s.

When the head hunters and big hitters are severely restricted from patrolling the middle, the offense naturally explodes.

[spoon]

Great article about passing in the NFL from back in the day to now. Its about Brees passing Marinos record.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/16542102/tenpoint-stance-when-brees-passes-marinos-mark-it-deserves-an-asterisk

some great parts.



this says it all about this era in the NFL compared to the previous 50 years.

there are so many flaws in those arguments it's not even worth it to shit on

bottom line is, ANYONE can argue stats and difs by picking out names from the lot and make their bullshit point

the only reason you even post it is you think it validates your Marino argument and Brees is just better and he deserves the record. Brees is a winner, not some stupid Namath wannabe...oh wait, even he handed the ball off and played a team game. In fact, he even liked giving the ball to other team too.

[Snacks]

well that's what happens when you go from mostly a 3rd down back/receiving rb out of the backfield to ultimately the main rb option / full-time back.

I don't think he's a good bt the tackles guy to this very moment and a few good games with Miami have not convinced me yet. They've used him better of late no doubt, but I'm just not convinced.

And let's be honest, he already has 37 more carries and 4 more starts than his busiest year running in the past, and yet still hasn't matched his yardage/td totals for a career year as you stated. He's still just over 1200 yeards total and in 06 he had over 1300 with only 8 games started. He also hit 8 tds twice before and has yet to hit that mark this year. So he's having a solid year, but not necessary his career year just yet.

he has 37 more carries but the starts mean dick. He still isnt playing full time this season and shares time with Thomas and leaves the game inside the 10 yard line for Thomas and Hilliard. He should have at least 5 more carries a game and be on the field at least 10-15 more plays then he is imo. Im not saying he would be as good as Mccoy but he could be that type of back. I never understood why NO and now Miami didnt use him more. The start of this season he was used even less but the last 4 or 5 weeks he has been used the way I thought he should have been used all year. These last 5 weeks he has gone nuts with 3 straight 100 yard games and 1 being a 203 yard game. Hes also avg 5 yards a carry thats nothing to laugh about. Hes having a really good year and I was hoping for more. Maybe next season they will go in to the season and use him this way from the start.

[Snacks]

there are so many flaws in those arguments it's not even worth it to shit on

bottom line is, ANYONE can argue stats and difs by picking out names from the lot and make their bullshit point

the only reason you even post it is you think it validates your Marino argument and Brees is just better and he deserves the record. Brees is a winner, not some stupid Namath wannabe...oh wait, even he handed the ball off and played a team game. In fact, he even liked giving the ball to other team too.

of course it validates my argument for Marino but it also shows how easy it is to pass in this NFL. It not different then when you post something anti yankees or pro Blue Jays and what they are doing that you approve of! Im not hiding the fact that I think the rule changes are the reason his record is being broke. Its nothing like when Marino broke Fouts record. They did it a couple years apart under the same rules and same defenses. This is being done when there is no pass defense and def cant play like they used to.

tell me what is so wrong (flawed) with the article? Nothing imo, are you telling me that this doesnt make sense?

Like Marino, Brees is using pinpoint accuracy to shred defenses. Unlike Marino, Brees is doing it with liberal rules that leave defenses playing with one hand tied behind their back.

In effect, Brees' record will be severely watered down. So much so, that it almost deserves an asterisk.

It's not only Brees. Many of the incredible numbers put up by quarterbacks today are artificially enhanced by rules changes -- particularly changes made in the past several years as the football culture has shifted from an extremely violent one to a just a violent one.

Defensive holding is commonplace now and pass interference calls are astronomically high. It's incredible to watch. It seems as often as not, a long pass downfield ends up in a penalty on the defensive player. This alters how a defender plays a wide receiver. Inevitably, fearing a penalty, a larger cushion is given.

Roughing the passer, blows to the head and the increasing calls for hits on defenseless receivers has given quarterbacks like Brees wide open passing lanes and wide-open receivers. For Marino, it was the Pleistocene age. For Brees, it's the ease of an iPad.

Most important, the new emphasis on player safety has helped eliminate big hits in the center of the field. Players like Lott and Andre Waters intimidated wide receivers who ran across the middle with jaw-cracking hits. Those hits would get a player suspended today. In Marino's day, they were commonplace.

Receivers now go across the middle knowing chances of getting cracked in the head are slim. You see these offenses. Receivers run untouched and wide open. The deep middle is where a defense is most vulnerable and, like any great player, Brees has taken full advantage. The rules have removed lions from the wild allowing the antelope population to prosper.

[spoon]

he has 37 more carries but the starts mean dick. He still isnt playing full time this season and shares time with Thomas and leaves the game inside the 10 yard line for Thomas and Hilliard. He should have at least 5 more carries a game and be on the field at least 10-15 more plays then he is imo. Im not saying he would be as good as Mccoy but he could be that type of back. I never understood why NO and now Miami didnt use him more. The start of this season he was used even less but the last 4 or 5 weeks he has been used the way I thought he should have been used all year. These last 5 weeks he has gone nuts with 3 straight 100 yard games and 1 being a 203 yard game. Hes also avg 5 yards a carry thats nothing to laugh about. Hes having a really good year and I was hoping for more. Maybe next season they will go in to the season and use him this way from the start.

the starts meant plenty for my comparison bc it's his rookie year where he didn't see much action at all in some games, versus a decent helping even early with Miami. sure it's MUCH more of late, that much I agree with, but that's also why I don't believe he can be a full time guy that hits holes bt the tackles bc even Miami as you say don't have faith in him fully. He still has gotten a lot of work in the red zone, including at the goal line, bc let's be honest, Thomas isn't getting healthy for some reason and he gets very few touches. In reality almost every back, even those few clear #1s give way to a second back to spell them. His workload since around week 8 has been pretty damn solid compared to lots of backs in the league. His size and health history alone make me believe he'll never hold up getting the 25+ carries he has over a couple of the last few weeks. Just my feel.

[spoon]

of course it validates my argument for Marino but it also shows how easy it is to pass in this NFL. It not different then when you post something anti yankees or pro Blue Jays and what they are doing that you approve of! Im not hiding the fact that I think the rule changes are the reason his record is being broke. Its nothing like when Marino broke Fouts record. They did it a couple years apart under the same rules and same defenses. This is being done when there is no pass defense and def cant play like they used to.

tell me what is so wrong (flawed) with the article? Nothing imo, are you telling me that this doesnt make sense?

Snacks it's fucking simple, I'll post stats/facts to prove a point or wipe out someone else's bullshit post. You posted a fucking editorial/opinion piece linking their thoughts on why something is about to happen bc you agree with their opinion. There are a few facts tied to his argument sure, but the impact on said aspects of the games can easily be argued the other way. Brees soon #1!

[hanso]

They should let him if only to see what they have in him. I doubt they will, they seem to like Moore but I dont I think he is terrible. For every great play he makes he looks terrible on 3. If they keep shit bag Ireland I have a feeling they will let Henne walk (they should re-sign him), they will re-sign Moore instead (they shouldnt) and draft someone in the 1st round and never give Devlin a shot. I hope that doesnt happen but they havent made a good decision in a long time so nothing will surprise me.

1 good thing that has happened, Reggie Bush has proven to be a good every down back. If they only threw to him more he would be a beast this year. He should end with 1100 or more yards rushing and 7 or 8 tds. He already has a career year with 2 games left!

Yeah that seems to be the sentiment around here that Moore is the shit. However the game before last they played without the star LT and he got killed and concussed. And then the next game they start him again under the same circumstances.

Seems to me that would have been the time to sit him out if they liked him so much. And protect their good back QB they have with him. And that's all he should be is a backup. A few things have to happen for the team to get a top draft QB. Barkley has to come out, they have to pick him, and they have to not fall to far back in the draft by winning out playing the spoiler. OK that's 3 things.

[spoon]

AND JESUS what a fucking source to use. I thought I remembered this fucking guy's name. Not only has this guy covered Florida sports for some time back in the day, but he's also been sued many times and his contemporaries claim he's a racist fucking liar. The guy lost a job once they found out he lied about his education and all over his resume. Others have pointed out many times where he legitimately lied (knowingly) to back his own points. So yah, forgive me for giving no credence to his articles.

[Snacks]

Thomas has 40 less carries on the year and he missed 3 games completely. If you go by what he has averaged per game he would have the exact same amount of carried if not more because those carries would be coming at Bush expense. Thomas also doesnt have 1 rushing TD yet he comes in and shares those red zone carries will Hilliard. Once again we are back to coaching. If they gave Bush a full chance maybe he would prove them wrong about goal line carries. The guy has run very well this season between the tackles.

The 1st half of the season they didnt give Bush the chance to do what he could do. He avg about 10 carries a game the 1st 6 weeks. The last 8 weeks he has avg 16 and its no surprise that he has done really well getting more opportunities and Miami is 5-3 and 0-6 when they didnt use him.

Hes 12th overall in the league among rb in yards and everyone in the top 11 has more carries and even those after him. Arian Foster has 60 more carries and only 90 more yards and is 6th. Adrain Peterson has the same amount of carries and 50 less yards and is 17th. Now im not saying he is as good as those 2 Im saying he is having a great year and if used properly or give the chance who knows what he could be doing.

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/4wPhk.gif

[cougarjake13]

That candlestick?

[hanso]

That candlestick?

Yep that last MNF game cool blue color when the transformer went.

[cougarjake13]

That is cool

Is that transformer only for stadium cause I remember them reporting that only the stadium went out

[hanso]

That is cool

Is that transformer only for stadium cause I remember them reporting that only the stadium went out

Guess so then, there is a rumor it was sabotage to get new stadium. I blame Zito.

Did you read NBA thread? I asked if you could get your friends in on the rfn league like you were saying. Then we can start maybe a week after NBA does.

[KnoxHarrington]

Guess so then, there is a rumor it was sabotage to get new stadium. I blame Zito.

Did you read NBA thread? I asked if you could get your friends in on the rfn league like you were saying. Then we can start maybe a week after NBA does.

I can't imagine it being sabotage, because, first, they already have the new stadium (they worked out a deal with Santa Clara), and this was their first big national showcase after getting good again. This was just an embarrassment.

[hanso]

I can't imagine it being sabotage, because, first, they already have the new stadium (they worked out a deal with Santa Clara), and this was their first big national showcase after getting good again. This was just an embarrassment.

Just a dumb rumor only brought it up for a gag (Zito).

[hanso]

Matt Barkley's press conference at 4pm EST. He'll be announcing his intentions.
.....

To stay and dash the hopes of the Dolphins to get the third good QB in the draft.

[TripleSkeet]

I forgot to post this from last weeks Eagles / Jets game. It made me LOL.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4699/616456.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/616456.jpg/)

[hanso]

That clears the way to draft punt returner #1.

[cougarjake13]

Guess so then, there is a rumor it was sabotage to get new stadium. I blame Zito.

Did you read NBA thread? I asked if you could get your friends in on the rfn league like you were saying. Then we can start maybe a week after NBA does.



Sending emails out today

[cougarjake13]

I forgot to post this from last weeks Eagles / Jets game. It made me LOL.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4699/616456.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/616456.jpg/)



That's awesome

[cougarjake13]

That clears the way to draft punt returner #1.

Why not it worked out well for u guys before

[spoon]

I forgot to post this from last weeks Eagles / Jets game. It made me LOL.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4699/616456.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/616456.jpg/)

that's why i love Philly and it will always hold a special mean spot in my heart!

[cougarjake13]

guess the colts decided to not suck for luck anymore

[hanso]

guess the colts decided to not suck for luck anymore

That was great win at the end. They can't fall far in pick even if they win again makes only 3 wins.

[PapaBear]

What's the second worse record so far this year? Miami?

[hanso]

What's the second worse record so far this year? Miami?

Ind. Was. both ahead in draft and both want QB's

[spoon]

What's the second worse record so far this year? Miami?

minny/st. louis and now indy all tied with 2 wins each


miami is up to 5 wins now

[PapaBear]

Spoon wins. Washington is twice as good as any of them. Ugh.

[cougarjake13]

minny/st. louis and now indy all tied with 2 wins each


miami is up to 5 wins now


would minny draft luck after drafting ponder ?? i prob would dont know if they will


st louis and bradford same again do u draft him ?

[spoon]

would minny draft luck after drafting ponder ?? i prob would dont know if they will


st louis and bradford same again do u draft him ?

yah, not much a shot on either taking him

but a HUGE chance they'd move the pick for bulk, especially St. Louis with their needs at soo many positions and money issues since they had so many top line first rounders before the new cba.

[Snacks]

Sorry Spoon

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34005371

Put simply, it sounds like the Chargers winning out -- they play at Detroit on Christmas Eve and then at Oakland on New Year's Day -- will save the jobs of Turner and Smith.

If the Chargers make the playoffs, Smith and Turner are likely safe. If they miss the playoffs, at least a 1-1 or 2-0 record is probably necessary to save their jobs, although it's worth noting that the two also appear joined at the hip moving forward.

"If Smith is retained, no one should think he will need a new head coach," Acee wrote Friday. "Sources inside and outside Chargers Park say Smith believes in Turner now as much as he did when he went out on a limb and hired him in 2007."

[cougarjake13]

Hahaa. Like I said spoon
Turners getting a lifetime contract!

[TripleSkeet]

If that last comment is true Smith should be fired immediately. How the fuck do these guys not see what a terrible head coach this guy is???

[cougarjake13]

If that last comment is true Smith should be fired immediately. How the fuck do these guys not see what a terrible head coach this guy is???




i cant even begin to true and get in that guys head


i dont think rex ryan was wrong in saying that he or maybe someone other then norv would have had a title by now

hell the year after they went 14-2 but lost to new england i woulda loved to have seen what marty could have done

[spoon]

i cant even begin to true and get in that guys head


i dont think rex ryan was wrong in saying that he or maybe someone other then norv would have had a title by now

hell the year after they went 14-2 but lost to new england i woulda loved to have seen what marty could have done

that was Marty

good old marlon mccree decided to run with the interception when all he needed to do was drop

:wallbash:


that got marty fired after a 14-2 reg season record and what surely should have been at least a trip to the AFC conference championship

oh well, turner time ever since!

abooooooo

[hanso]

Battle of NY today

Big blue over Gang green

Who ya got?

[Snacks]

Battle of NY today

Big blue over Gang green

Who ya got?

Not a fan of either team but I Hate the Jets so today will be 1 of the few times I root for the Giants so Lets Go Big Blue!

[hanso]

Not a fan of either team but I Hate the Jets so today will be 1 of the few times I root for the Giants so Lets Go Big Blue!

Same here they can get kicked to the curb, then next week the trash can get took out.

[TripleSkeet]

Battle of NY today

Big blue over Gang green

Who ya got?

Big Green. Followed by the real Gang Green.

[Snacks]

Big Green. Followed by the real Gang Green.

your team is more like hunter green now!

[Snoogans]

i hope it ends in a tie, so both of them fuck themselves

[spoon]

Not a fan of either team but I Hate the Jets so today will be 1 of the few times I root for the Giants so Lets Go Big Blue!

EXACTLY!

I want the Giants to win this pretty bad too bc of that hate, but have a bad feeling with the game.

[spoon]

i hope it ends in a tie, so both of them fuck themselves

:lol:


someone's got a case of the Turners!

[spoon]

nice job giants

when was the last time Eli and the Giants had a passing td in the first half?

also, how don't teams have a good internal play clock by years end or year after year

that delay of game cost them the first in the end and they look AWFUL early

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm watching the Bills/Broncos game right now. I know the Bills have gone straight down the shitter after looking pretty good early on, but I'm really starting to think that these Broncos are for real.

Tebow is actually looking decent so far, and it's the 1st quarter. But they're rushing at will against this Bills defense.

[Snoogans]

delay of game, then 12 men on the field on D. I dont want ANYONE to tell me its not the coaching. Its all the coaching on this fuckin failure team

[Snoogans]

this is embarrassing. Fuckin block someone

[spoon]

I'm watching the Bills/Broncos game right now. I know the Bills have gone straight down the shitter after looking pretty good early on, but I'm really starting to think that these Broncos are for real.

Tebow is actually looking decent so far, and it's the 1st quarter. But they're rushing at will against this Bills defense.

no

you simply don't pay attention then and are prone to believing hype bc fucking REGGIE BUSH burned Buf for over 200 yards on the ground just last week, along with almost 50 from him backup...IN BUFFALO!


FAIL!

[spoon]

delay of game, then 12 men on the field on D. I dont want ANYONE to tell me its not the coaching. Its all the coaching on this fuckin failure team

I've watched a TON of the NYG men bc I always live near some as you know and become friends with them. Yet I have to say your coach pretty much sucked even when they won the SB honestly. This year it's just worse bc the D can't hide a ton and w/o Eli's pretty solid year, you'd be fucking belly up already.

[Snoogans]

I've watched a TON of the NYG men bc I always live near some as you know and become friends with them. Yet I have to say your coach pretty much sucked even when they won the SB honestly. This year it's just worse bc the D can't hide a ton and w/o Eli's pretty solid year, you'd be fucking belly up already.

yea he was always terrible and the talent just got them over


and its a fuckin sad state when Brandon Jacobs is the only guy who looks like he gives a fuck

[spoon]

nice punt by the new york little brothers!

[Snoogans]

why do they always do that? first and goal inside the 5 they ALWAYS try to throw. STOP IT. RUN IT TWICE AND THEN THROW. THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER FUCKIN SCORE TOUCHDOWNS THERE

[hanso]

Hard to place the Pats down 10-0 in the 2nd but they are banged up somewhat.

*Make that 17-0*

Does a Den. win mean SD is out?

[spoon]

man do the jets have pass int down or what!?

pull the outside arm and drive the other one through the ball

we'll call it the Revis

happened twice already

[Snoogans]

man do the jets have pass int down or what!?

pull the outside arm and drive the other one through the ball

we'll call it the Revis

happened twice already

yea i love that shit. they get away with it on every fuckin play. Btw good play call by coughlin, 3rd and 9 lets throw a 4 yard pass

[disneyspy]

holy shit that flip by simpson into the endzone was insane

[spoon]

why aren't they throwing at Cro?

isn't that the first time!?

WOoooooo! Cruz is faster than I thought!


what a HUGE play!

[Snoogans]

Holy Shit

[hanso]

Ha Ha! 99 yards and Salsa Time!


Like to see the Pee-Wee dance today Brady is getting sacked enough.

[spoon]

holy shit that flip by simpson into the endzone was insane

what game you talking about, Cincy?

you have to be more specific bc we all don't have the zone

[Snoogans]

when he doesnt drop the fuck ball, victor cruz has fuckin SICK moves

[HBox]

I usually hate his little dance but dance all day after that one if you want. You earned it.

[disneyspy]

what game you talking about, Cincy?

you have to be more specific bc we all don't have the zone

ya cincy,wait til you guys see this shit on the replay

[Snoogans]

awesome, keep bringing it out antonio

[spoon]

wooo buf special teams!



I'm a HUGE buf fan right now!



come on guys win this ONE FUCKING GAME!

[HBox]

It's close but I think he was down.

[Snoogans]

that shit hit rolles foot. he wasnt down. they are gonna call him down, but that was on rolle's foot. thats a fumble

[spoon]

It's close but I think he was down.

I do too, but can you change it conclusively?

I say it has to stand bc it isn't conclusive!

HAS TO STAND!

PLEASE!


that's the old, whatever was called on the field! come on please!

[spoon]

that shit hit rolles foot. he wasnt down. they are gonna call him down, but that was on rolle's foot. thats a fumble

to me it really doesn't even matter bc it's NOT conclusive so it stands on the field as the announcer is saying!

[Snoogans]

i knew it. thats BS. how the fuck can you difinitively say its not on his foot? you have to keep that how it was called. BS

[spoon]

fuck THAT!


how is that conclusive AT ALL?!

[HBox]

I do too, but can you change it conclusively?

I say it has to stand bc it isn't conclusive!

HAS TO STAND!

PLEASE!


that's the old, whatever was called on the field! come on please!

Yeah, that wasn't the best angle. I thought they were gonna just let the call stand.

[spoon]

such a HUGE call too

you know the Giants wouldn't have got that call reversed

[spoon]

I have to say, out of all the Jet shit talk this week the only guy with some class was Sanchez. Funny how his wrs/tes are dropping his passes a lot today.

[Snoogans]

such a HUGE call too

you know the Giants wouldn't have got that call reversed

im fuckin heated right now. How the fuck does he OVERTURN it. either way it was called it shoulda had to stand. this is why a BOOTH WITH HD TVS SHOULD BE DOIN THE REPLAYS, LIKE IN COLLEGE. NOT THE REF IN SOME FUCKIN LITTLE PHOTO BOOTH

[Snoogans]

man that flip was fuckin SICK. Stuck the landing perfect, not even a hobble or a small step. just stuck it.

[spoon]

man that flip was fuckin SICK. Stuck the landing perfect, not even a hobble or a small step. just stuck it.

yah it really was bc it WAS the play, not grandstanding either

and the only thing that could have explained the call to me is they DID have a better shot of the play which could be possible

[Snoogans]

yah it really was bc it WAS the play, not grandstanding either

and the only thing that could have explained the call to me is they DID have a better shot of the play which could be possible

maybe but i still dont see how you say it hit or not, impossible to tell

[hanso]

Dude almost grabbed the defenders face mask as he flipped. What if he had it it got called back?

[Snoogans]

how was that not a fumble for holmes? and why cant they challenge, it was clear who got it, the whistle hadnt blown.

BULLSHIT

[Kevin]

Look at this Super Bowl Jets D.

[Kevin]

Listen to all these Giants fans.

I thought this was a Jet town?

[spoon]

Thats dumb kev, as either will have fans at the game being they play in the same fn stadium

And man that fumble/false start miss was bad! I cant believe the giants are beating both the jets and refs at this point! Terrible day that is now suspect by triplett's crew if u ask me

[Kevin]

Thats dumb kev, as either will have fans at the game being they play in the same fn stadium

And man that fumble/false start miss was bad! I cant believe the giants are beating both the jets and refs at this point! Terrible day that is now suspect by triplett's crew if u ask me


If you hear the Jets speak this is 90% Jet town.

[spoon]

Nobody takes those aholes serious come on! Dont lower yourself to their idiotic level.

[cougarjake13]

To me the jets wr elbow was on the giant defenders foot shoulda been a fumble

Holmes was a fumble also but I guess they said refs blew the play dead

[spoon]

Pick 6 in buf denver loses again! Nice making tebow have to toss it! Im sooooo pissed at marian barber right no...and turner and smith and rivers!

[Snoogans]

sanchez is TERRIBLE

[spoon]

To me the jets wr elbow was on the giant defenders foot shoulda been a fumble

Holmes was a fumble also but I guess they said refs blew the play dead

Yah, all equals an AWFUL day by this crew, and it is just the surface!

[spoon]

Oh God better not be! WOW! This is complete bs ! Sooooo late and way over thrown!

[spoon]

Held him a touch i guess but wow compared to how they call it all one way!

[Kevin]

These refs have to had bet on the Jets today.

[Snoogans]

the jets do more to receivers on every single play than grant just did. What a fuckin bunch of shit

[cougarjake13]

Fuckin hate refs

[hanso]

Pick 6 in buf denver loses again! Nice making tebow have to toss it! Im sooooo pissed at marian barber right no...and turner and smith and rivers!

Ah, shit your still in it.

[Snoogans]

finally a good call

[cougarjake13]

Finally they got one right

[Snoogans]

thats gonna be overturned. tuck rule. thats incomplete technically

[spoon]

Wow now the tuck rule!? Hahahahahaha !

Unreal!

[cougarjake13]

That's a fumble

Don't fuck us again u god damn zebras

[spoon]

ANOTHER pick 6 in denver! Ahahahahaahaaaaa!

They are for real knox...real shitty!

[Snoogans]

the tuck rule is so stupid, but its the rule. thats incomplete. cant argue if they change it here

[HBox]

I'm not going out on a limb here, but neither the Jets or the Giants belong in the playoffs.

[Kevin]

How about Tebow.

ALL HE DOES IS WIN.

[Snoogans]

I'm not going out on a limb here, but neither the Jets or the Giants belong in the playoffs.

thats why i wanted a tie

[spoon]

Not the jets thats for sure!

[Snoogans]

sanchize

[Kevin]

Goddamn is Sanchez FANTASTIC.

[hanso]

That was a weird play where was the ball? NY game just now endzone.

[cougarjake13]

There's the Sanchez we all know and love

Seriously jets fans it's gotta be time to start thinking of going in a new direction

[Snoogans]

that really was on HOF mangold. that was an AWFUL snap

[spoon]

Wow

[Snoogans]

wow hakeem

[HBox]

How did I know that would happen? Fuck these teams.

[Tenbatsuzen]

that really was on HOF mangold. that was an AWFUL snap

Agreed. But ultimate, it's first and 10 for the Jets, so it works out.

[Snoogans]

this really is incredible. what bums. fields full of bums.

and good call gilbride, dont hand off up 13. just throw

[Snoogans]

Agreed. But ultimate, it's first and 10 for the Jets, so it works out.

yea thats much better than 7 points. esp with these 2 plays

[HBox]

Even the refs are awful. This game is single-handedly ruining Christmas.

[cougarjake13]

Another fumble

[Snoogans]

Even the refs are awful. This game is single-handedly ruining Christmas.

i cant wait to see what dallas and philly have as an encore. some romo heroics, i hope

[Kevin]

Even the refs are awful. This game is single-handedly ruining Christmas.

It really is bad.

[cougarjake13]

I can't understand y we're even passing

[Tenbatsuzen]

yea thats much better than 7 points. esp with these 2 plays

It was third and goal. I think someone would take a loss of 7 yards if it would mean a fresh set of downs down 13.

Still doesn't matter because the Jets are just stinking up this joint, they suck. This entire game sucks.

[HBox]

i cant wait to see what dallas and philly have as an encore. some romo heroics, i hope

If the Giants win you won't see anyone but the Dallas practice squad until next week.

[Snoogans]

Keller Was Fuckin Holding. He Was Raping Grant In The Endzone. How Do You Miss That


edit: nevermind, grant was holding. looked like keller had his arm in full speed

[KnoxHarrington]

Yeah, yeah, my decision to jump on the Tebow bandwagon was ill-advised.

It'll be interesting to see what he does from here. Is today a sign that coordinators have figured him out and finally do know how to stop him, or is this the sort of shit game that inexperienced players occasionally throw up? We'll see.

In either case, just as no one (including me) should have rushed to anoit him the God of Quarterbacks based on what he's done, I would advise against saying this week's game is proof that he's going to start sucking again now.

[Kevin]

This Jets Td has been brought to you by NFL officiating.

NFL Officiating ruining games all year round.

[cougarjake13]

We better run the fucking ball

[Kevin]

Yeah, yeah, my decision to jump on the Tebow bandwagon was ill-advised.

It'll be interesting to see what he does from here. Is today a sign that coordinators have figured him out and finally do know how to stop him, or is this the sort of shit game that inexperienced players occasionally throw up? We'll see.

In either case, just as no one (including me) should have rushed to anoit him the God of Quarterbacks based on what he's done, I would advise against saying this week's game is proof that he's going to start sucking again now.

No one but you Hayseeds and Skip Bayliss did.

And he has never stopped sucking.

[Snoogans]

seriously if we pass once before 3rd and more than 5 im gonna go apeshit

[spoon]

Just an awful job by the refs on sooooo many calls. If the giants win it will be earned bc they are up against a big ref bet clearly. Ive rarely seen something this bad

[Snoogans]

Just an awful job by the refs on sooooo many calls. If the giants win it will be earned bc they are up against a big ref bet clearly. Ive rarely seen something this bad

im afraid to go to nuts and come off like a homer but im glad you said it. its really been fuckin one sided

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow, that was a shitty call. They blew the whistles WAY early on that.

[Snoogans]

how is that grounding?

[spoon]

Is tenbatseeds talking? Nice timing of course.

[HBox]

Intentional grounding? Really? Jesus Christ.

[cougarjake13]

I can't believe they blew the whistle in that Jacobs run


Fuckin refs

[Snoogans]

first of all, jacobs should still be running, bullshit whistle. then grounding? it was clearly a miscommunication. in fact, the exact same thing happened first half and they didnt call grounding. THE EXACT SAME THING WITH THE SAME RECEIVER

[cougarjake13]

That's fuckin intentional grounding

[cougarjake13]

G
Jesus Christ these refs r killin me

[Snoogans]

i really would like to add that the giants defense has been really really good today. fighting uphil vs the refs and still have played a really good game.

Although, Sanchez really really is terrible

[Tenbatsuzen]

i really would like to add that the giants defense has been really really good today. fighting uphil vs the refs and still have played a really good game.

Although, Sanchez really really is terrible

Sanchez sucks but Wayne Hunter is a fucking sieve.

[hanso]

Yeah, yeah, my decision to jump on the Tebow bandwagon was ill-advised.

It'll be interesting to see what he does from here. Is today a sign that coordinators have figured him out and finally do know how to stop him, or is this the sort of shit game that inexperienced players occasionally throw up? We'll see.

In either case, just as no one (including me) should have rushed to anoit him the God of Quarterbacks based on what he's done, I would advise against saying this week's game is proof that he's going to start sucking again now.

Yep, the Bills had been up & down. The way I see it Den. defence holds a team to 3 TD's then they have a shot.

[Snoogans]

what a dirty hit. he was out of bounds for like 4 steps.

though thanks, for fuckin up coughlin. maybe knock some sense in him

[cougarjake13]

Coughlin just got Sean paytoned

[Snoogans]

awesome. dont throw it mark. just stand there and hold it longer

[HBox]

I don't know. I'm not sure that was a safety but then again the Jets can't complain about the refs.

[hanso]

So the refs are just making stuff up. Haven't watched a lot of this game. Just guessing

[HBox]

And the Jets need a new QB.