2011-12 NFL Season

[sailor]

Nice meaningless fg by the Seahawks. Ha, and quickly matched. Way to give up and not go for it needing 3 td's. Even if it was 4th and 26.

[epo]

10 stitches to the chin for Favre. No word about any further damage.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I hate seeing players get hurt. Except for favre.

[keithy_19]

10 stitches to the chin for Favre. No word about any further damage.

I bet, in the least, he's missing some teeth. The way he wasn't opening his mouth made it look even worse. Granted, he could have just been choking back the pain. Getting popped in the chin hurts quite a bit.

[keithy_19]

Really like the Carnials uniforms today. It's the first time I've seen them wear them, so if they've been wearing them throughout the year my apologies.

[TripleSkeet]

Fuck Philly!

Fuck you buddy!
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7139/111yo.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/111yo.jpg/)

[epo]

Favre is yapping away at the postgame press conference. I've got to say, he's a tough sombitch.

[KnoxHarrington]

Favre is yapping away at the postgame press conference. I've got to say, he's a tough sombitch.

And stupid and self-absorbed.

TO never held a team hostage like this and he was ripped mercilessly. Childress should tell Favre to GTFO, but he won't.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'll vote for stupid, and on pain pills. Him starting hurts his team simple as that. I think he's holding out to be THE guy who dies on the field.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Btw only mention of his teammates during press conference is to say he hopes they don't quit on him. He's a sideshow act and Vikings are his rubes this year.

[newport king]

Really like the Carnials uniforms today. It's the first time I've seen them wear them, so if they've been wearing them throughout the year my apologies.

they've worn them before. and i'm sure like any team that tries a black uniform al davis will bitch.

tired of favre's shit. its always something. the guy is such a fucking drama queen i don't know how anyone can root for him. even his own lineman.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Think Randy misses NE? Classy guy. Glad he got a huge ovation at the end.

[newport king]

the media is really on favre's less than average dick. they were reporting a broken jaw, then i heard 15 stitches....it was 8. for his entire career, last year excluded, he's been slightly above average. lets not act like he's "a real gunslinger, that makes plays happen" he's a glory hound that makes stupid fucking throws. he had a big arm, so did daunte culpepper.

[TripleSkeet]

I'll vote for stupid, and on pain pills. Him starting hurts his team simple as that. I think he's holding out to be THE guy who dies on the field.

He could go out there with a peg leg on and give them a better chance to win then Tavaris Jackson. The reason Childress doesnt get rid of him is because he has no other option. He shouldve drafted a QB last year just in case of this. Now even if this is Favres last year he has no replacement.

[keithy_19]

I won't ever question Farve's toughness. He plays through injuries, and often does so with success.

His press conference, to me at least, seemed like he was under the influence of some kind of pain killer. It was kind of like the Tony Romo press conference after he was knocked out of the Monday night game.

[KnoxHarrington]

He could go out there with a peg leg on and give them a better chance to win then Tavaris Jackson. The reason Childress doesnt get rid of him is because he has no other option. He shouldve drafted a QB last year just in case of this. Now even if this is Favres last year he has no replacement.

This Vikings team is very old, and must win this year. After Favre goes, I can see this team winning 3 games next season.

Shit, at this pace, I can see them winning 3 games this season.

[hanso]

Nice meaningless fg by the Seahawks. Ha, and quickly matched. Way to give up and not go for it needing 3 td's. Even if it was 4th and 26.

Why wait till the end of the game to toss to Williams the first time on 4th down? Did you see last week? He caught everything thrown his way.

[Fallon]

beautiful football weather at the Meadowlands today.

Then what happened?

[Fallon]

Pats have the best record in the league.

Awwww yeah!!

The one man law firm had a career day today. BenJarvus Green-Ellis is what we expected Maroney to be.

And poor Randy only had one catch and was all depressed at the press conference.

Maroney & Moss wish they were Pats again.

[TripleSkeet]

Pats have the best record in the league.

Awwww yeah!!

The one man law firm had a career day today. BenJarvus Green-Ellis is what we expected Maroney to be.

And poor Randy only had one catch and was all depressed at the press conference.

Maroney & Moss wish they were Pats again.

I just dont get why people are so quick to start doubting them. They have the BEST QB in the league. No matter how bad the defense is thats enough to at least keep them alive.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I thought it would sicken me me that the Pats are rebuilding and were 10-6 in 2009 and are 6-1 now... They have 6 Picks in the first 3 rounds of 2011... plus their Defense will be maturing into the system ...

but the arrogant jet team and fans and makes me smile that the Pats are set to make a last run with Brady and Belichick

[foodcourtdruide]

Colts and over tonight - WRITE IT ON A ROCK!!!!!!

[HBox]

Vikings waive Randy Moss? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5752939)

That's just fucking bizarre.

[Gutter]

Vikings waive Randy Moss? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5752939)

That's just fucking bizarre.

WTF????? why'd they bother getting him then? this is gotta be the strangest fucking move by an NFL team ever. How is NOT having Randy Moss going to make the Vikings any better?

[Earlshog]

WTF????? why'd they bother getting him then? this is gotta be the strangest fucking move by an NFL team ever. How is NOT having Randy Moss going to make the Vikings any better?

TALK ABOUT A CLUSTER F

[KingModem]

I cant watch this anymore. When does baseball start again :surrender:

/cuts self repeatedly

[TheGameHHH]

Vikings waive Randy Moss? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5752939)

That's just fucking bizarre.

It's also very fucking funny


Also, how does the waiver system work in football? Is it like baseball at all with that weird 'if someone claims him he can be pulled back' system?

[Earlshog]

does anyone know how the waivers in football work? When someone puts in a claim does that mean they have to offer minny something in return? It said after 24 hours if has cleared waivers he is free to sign with any team.

[foodcourtdruide]

If the Patriots claim Moss off waivers I'll never stop laughing. How the hell does it make any sense that the Vikings cut him? How could they possibly be better without him, even if he does have an attitude problem?

[Snacks]

this mother effer is now going to resign with patriots? I would bet money he does and now that team just got better, again!

[TheGameHHH]

For the record I don't care where Moss goes as long as it's not the Jets

[KnoxHarrington]

This is something else I was thinking about with this whole mess: the Vikings desperately want a new stadium. But with this season going down the shitter, and no indication that next season won't be anything other than a disaster (shit, the Lions are showing signs of greatly improving and will probably vault over them), it's going to be hard to make that sale.

So signing Brett Favre might, seriously, have been the beginning of the end for NFL football in Minnesota.

[foodcourtdruide]

For the record I don't care where Moss goes as long as it's not the Jets

Yeah, the last thing a team that just got shut out by an average defense needs is one of the best WR in NFL history.

[KingModem]

This is something else I was thinking about with this whole mess: the Vikings desperately want a new stadium. But with this season going down the shitter, and no indication that next season won't be anything other than a disaster (shit, the Lions are showing signs of greatly improving and will probably vault over them), it's going to be hard to make that sale.

So signing Brett Favre might, seriously, have been the beginning of the end for NFL football in Minnesota.

Los Angeles Vikings starting in 2012. We (Vikings fans) have been waiting for this to happen for over a decade now, and this pretty much solidified it.

[Snoogans]

if anyone happened to see moss' post game press conf after the game yesterday, you would NOT be surprised about this

[Gutter]

if anyone happened to see moss' post game press conf after the game yesterday, you would NOT be surprised about this

i read that he said he was going to continue to not talk to the media.....didn't think that could get a guy fired from a team.......was there more to his ranting that wasn't printed?

[TheGameHHH]

i read that he said he was going to continue to not talk to the media.....didn't think that could get a guy fired from a team.......was there more to his ranting that wasn't printed?

he also pretty much busted a nut about how he loved all the Pats and misses them dearly. plus he seemed to throw the vikings under the bus by wondering why they didnt listen to him during the week while scheming for their matchup against the Pats.

[KingModem]

he also pretty much busted a nut about how he loved all the Pats and misses them dearly. plus he seemed to throw the vikings under the bus by wondering why they didnt listen to him during the week while scheming for their matchup against the Pats.

Don't expose your bosses for who they really are. It will get you fired so that they can keep their jobs.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Moss is still owed a chunk of $$ and has no contract for next year... only a real contender would rationally sign him.... I figure the Pats are sick of his antics (contract bitchin)... but would re acquire him to have him avoid signing with any AFC contender

[underdog]

Moss is still owed a chunk of $$ and has no contract for next year... only a real contender would rationally sign him.... I figure the Pats are sick of his antics (contract bitchin)... but would re acquire him to have him avoid signing with any AFC contender

Except that the Bills, Jets and Dolphins all have a crack at him first. If he makes it to the Patriots, it's because no one else in the AFC East (or virtually anywhere else in football) wanted to pay him.

[Earlshog]

Moss is still owed a chunk of $$ and has no contract for next year... only a real contender would rationally sign him.... I figure the Pats are sick of his antics (contract bitchin)... but would re acquire him to have him avoid signing with any AFC contender

Imaingine trying to cover Vincent Jackson ( when he returns ), Gates, and Moss....

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Except that the Bills, Jets and Dolphins all have a crack at him first. If he makes it to the Patriots, it's because no one else in the AFC East (or virtually anywhere else in football) wanted to pay him.


so I am guessing that Moss has no say of who can claim him.....

I can see the Jets or Fins claiming Moss ....

[TheGameHHH]

so I am guessing that Moss has no say of who can claim him.....

I can see the Jets or Fins claiming Moss ....

They both absolutely would if they get the chance, it's just a smart move on their parts.

But honestly what happens if shitty Buffalo claims him and he doesn't want to go there? Does he have to go?

[TheGameHHH]

Imaingine trying to cover Vincent Jackson ( when he returns ), Gates, and Moss....

Norv would still fuck it up by running Ryan Matthews all day

[TripleSkeet]

If the Eagles wanna make a move to try and win over the fan base again, this would help.

[Snoogans]

i read that he said he was going to continue to not talk to the media.....didn't think that could get a guy fired from a team.......was there more to his ranting that wasn't printed?

he also pretty much busted a nut about how he loved all the Pats and misses them dearly. plus he seemed to throw the vikings under the bus by wondering why they didnt listen to him during the week while scheming for their matchup against the Pats.

all true from game, plus on top of all that, he also ripped Childress for goin for that 4th and goal and not takin the FG before half. I will guess THATS actually what got him released

[Snoogans]

They both absolutely would if they get the chance, it's just a smart move on their parts.

But honestly what happens if shitty Buffalo claims him and he doesn't want to go there? Does he have to go?

he has to go to whoever claims him and in the current order, washington, buffalo, jax, dallas and a few others all get choice before any of the other AFC east teams

[TheGameHHH]

he has to go to whoever claims him and in the current order, washington, buffalo, jax, dallas and a few others all get choice before any of the other AFC east teams

does it work like baseball where if you get claimed your original team can pull you back? or is it once you're claimed, you're gone?

[Snoogans]

does it work like baseball where if you get claimed your original team can pull you back? or is it once you're claimed, you're gone?

its like baseball in that their are different types of waivers.

In moss' case, you calim him, you pick up his money and he is yours, they cant pull him back. If no one claims him, they have to pay moss the remaining 3.whatever mill he is owed for this year and he becomes FA

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm rowdy, and ready for some...BASEBALLLLLLLLLLL

I'm going with Game 5 of the World Series over the Titans/Colts game. If a championship is on the line in a game, you gotta watch it, regardless of the sport.

And, besides, I don't think I can stand the blowjob Gruden's gonna give Peyton Manning anyway.

[weekapaugjz]

And, besides, I don't think I can stand the blowjob Gruden's gonna give Peyton Manning anyway.

i wouldn't mind watching, but listening to gruden is unbearable.

[Snoogans]

DWTS fools

[TripleSkeet]

DWTS fools

Cuz, really. I mean, I kind understood when you were watching for the Situation so I never said anything, but enough already. If you dont wanna watch baseball or football watch Monday Night Raw. Or something you DVR'd. Like tonight Im watching that AMC zombie series and then Dexter.

But seriously, DWTS is pretty much fagland now.

[Snoogans]

Cuz, really. I mean, I kind understood when you were watching for the Situation so I never said anything, but enough already. If you dont wanna watch baseball or football watch Monday Night Raw. Or something you DVR'd. Like tonight Im watching that AMC zombie series and then Dexter.

But seriously, DWTS is pretty much fagland now.

did you not read my response to you. i turned it on the first time cause sitch was on, but there is hot chicks all over the show, and its a pretty funny show. I dont care as much about the dancing other than to laugh at people blow but its a good show. I choose to watch it. When it ends I watch the football game

[Dudeman]

i wouldn't mind watching, but listening to gruden is unbearable.

from the usatoday about tonight's game:

"Everyone knows that the teams should both score points while Jon Gruden repeatedly forces "The Sheriff" nickname down our throats"

:wallbash:

[Justice4all]

Three coaches I simply can't understand that have jobs:

1) Wade Phillips
2) Steve Crosby (SD's ST coach) *4th blocked punt against for safety today to go with countless punt and kickoff issues.
3) Norv Turner

You might want to add Shanahan to that list too after what he did yesterday.

[PapaBear]

You might want to add Shanahan to that list too after what he did yesterday.
Assuming there isn't some "hidden" reason for that decision, his list of mistakes is pretty damn small at this point.

[spoon]

Btw only mention of his teammates during press conference is to say he hopes they don't quit on him. He's a sideshow act and Vikings are his rubes this year.

Think Randy misses NE? Classy guy. Glad he got a huge ovation at the end.

Vikings waive Randy Moss? (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5752939)

That's just fucking bizarre.

So wait, Randy is a CLASSY guy and Favre is just a sideshow act? I'm no Favre fan but come on, Randy is a first class piece of shit who can catch a ball like very few people. That's a much better rundown on Randy than "classy guy".

[Justice4all]

this mother effer is now going to resign with patriots? I would bet money he does and now that team just got better, again!

If the Pats pick him up that means just about every other team in the NFL passed on Moss and I don't see that happening at all.

[spoon]

Norv would still fuck it up by running Ryan Matthews all day

Not that Norv wouldn't fuck it up, but it will never be bc he ran the ball too much...EVER.

[spoon]

If the Eagles wanna make a move to try and win over the fan base again, this would help.

philly fans are hilarious

[Justice4all]

Assuming there isn't some "hidden" reason for that decision, his list of mistakes is pretty damn small at this point.

Last time he won a championship was the when Elway was playing. And he has just about everyone in the NFL, coaches, broadcasters, commentators and fans all scratching their heads going "WTF???"

The Redskins should be doing a little better at this point. I see a hidden reason mostly because he gave a bullshit answer yesterday and today he gives a totally different bullshit answer.

[Justice4all]

did you not read my response to you. i turned it on the first time cause sitch was on, but there is hot chicks all over the show, and its a pretty funny show. I dont care as much about the dancing other than to laugh at people blow but its a good show. I choose to watch it. When it ends, I re-attach my balls, put my uterus away and I watch the football game

Fixed it for ya

[PapaBear]

I see a hidden reason mostly because he gave a bullshit answer yesterday and today he gives a totally different bullshit answer.
That's what's confusing the hell out of me. There has to be more to the story than what we're hearing.

*I pulled him because he wasn't ready for the two minute offense.

*Actually, I didn't even want to start him, because I want him to be healthy for the rest of the season.

*I pulled him because he doesn't have the cardiovascular stamina for the two minute offense (or something to that effect).

I'm just glad Snyder seems to be staying away from his previous ways. Otherwise, Randy Moss would be a Redskin by tomorrow.

[spoon]

maybe he has a health issue and it was a factor in his puking at the super bowl?

or maybe he's just pissed that McNabb is old now and can't do all the things he used to do, just like Shanahan and his coaching

[TripleSkeet]

Its like Ive been trying to tell you dumb fucks from day one of this season...hes NOT a clutch quarterback. When the games on the line and you need your QB to drive your team down the field to win the game hes the LAST person you want on the field. His OWN FUCKING COACH just confirmed this!

And spoon, I really dont care if the Eagles get Randy Moss or not, but if they had the chance, whats 3 million for one year? Him, Jackson and Maclin would make either Kolb or Vick look fantastic. With the sloppy mess the NFC East is this year, they might try and make a playoff run. Now that Dallas and Minnesota suck dick their schedule looks a whole lot easier.

[spoon]

That's just stupid bc it was classic Shanny acting up bc he not only couldn't play call in that game for shit, he also lost to a team on the rise you claimed sucked ass isn't getting better. I'm sorry, McNabb is mid 30's now and on the down side of his career, that much is a definite. To claim he sucks after every loss in the NFL, and not giving any credit when he usually is the main reason when they actually win simply isn't fair. You don't like the guy, we get it. However, he isn't NEARLY the terrible player you claim as well. I put up ACTUAL stats on his comebacks and you wouldn't accept them mainly bc they proved you wrong and slanted against anything McNabb. It's clear that Philly fans are quite thick headed, you only prove to back that point up. Sorry skeet, that game isn't your proof source for all your hate just as much as the next game he wins is the proof source he's a top qb of all time. In the end, it was one game and a coach's choice that mind you WASN'T a good choice.

[spoon]

The point with Moss is that I guess the Eagles do nothing to bring a good team to Philly!? You made that comment as if they are the Pirates of the NFL and haven't been a playoff team year in and year out. To say Moss is a way to gain some favor back is pretty comical to me.

[PapaBear]

Sorry skeet, that game isn't your proof source for all your hate just as much as the next game he wins is('nt) the proof source he's a top qb of all time. In the end, it was one game and a coach's choice that mind you WASN'T a good choice.
Pretty much what you said up there.

[TripleSkeet]

That's just stupid bc it was classic Shanny acting up bc he not only couldn't play call in that game for shit, he also lost to a team on the rise you claimed sucked ass isn't getting better. I'm sorry, McNabb is mid 30's now and on the down side of his career, that much is a definite. To claim he sucks after every loss in the NFL, and not giving any credit when he usually is the main reason when they actually win simply isn't fair. You don't like the guy, we get it. However, he isn't NEARLY the terrible player you claim as well. I put up ACTUAL stats on his comebacks and you wouldn't accept them mainly bc they proved you wrong and slanted against anything McNabb. It's clear that Philly fans are quite thick headed, you only prove to back that point up. Sorry skeet, that game isn't your proof source for all your hate just as much as the next game he wins is the proof source he's a top qb of all time. In the end, it was one game and a coach's choice that mind you WASN'T a good choice.

Your stats were bullshit and I called you out on them. Most of those games the Eagles were tied, not losing and he would get them in field goal range, not score a TD. Not to mention alot of those games counted the entire 4th quarter, not the final 2 minutes when the games on the line. Getting your team within field goal range in the last 15 minutes of a game is hardly "clutch".

Hes not a fucking clutch QB, period. You all talk shit yet most of you only have seen highlights of the fucking guy. Yet you think you know more then people that watched him play every down of every game.

I never said he sucked as a QB, hes actually very good. But he has one VERY BIG glaring weakness. He cant run a 2 minute drill. He very rarely has, even if its trying to put up points before the half. Hes just not good at it. See how in the 2nd half of his career you could almost bank on Favre making a boneheaded pick in the 2nd half to fuck his team? Thats how you cant count on McNabb to come up short in the final minutes of the game. He cant do it. That doesnt mean he sucks. Shit hes the perfect QB for a team that can score a ton of points quickly. Theres nobody I would want more when my team is up 20 by halftime.

[TripleSkeet]

The point with Moss is that I guess the Eagles do nothing to bring a good team to Philly!? You made that comment as if they are the Pirates of the NFL and haven't been a playoff team year in and year out. To say Moss is a way to gain some favor back is pretty comical to me.

No, see dude, you dont live here, you dont know how it is, thats why you didnt get that. Ever since the Phillies won the World Series the Eagles have been 2nd fiddle in this town. Thats a fact. And its a fact that they hate. You have no idea how angry it makes upper management when something happens like the Phillies Game 3 against Cincinatti drew more ratings locally then the Eagles vs. San Fran.

I work at the fucking stadium, its the only stadium that bars employees from wearing another local teams caps....the Phillies. Ive personally seen people forced to remove them. My point was if they want to try and become the number one team in town again getting Randy Moss right after the Phils got knocked out by SF in the playoffs would be a smart move to try.

[spoon]

No you see, I AM from PA and actually lived in outside Philly for some time and was forced to watch a TON of his games. So yah, that isn't on point at all. Also, just bc ur from an area doesn't even COME CLOSE to making all your points correct. In fact, bc I have lived in the area AND lived with/near tons of Philly fans I know just how idiotic their assumptions and claims can be. I lived it without being jaded one way or another. I'm not a fan or a hater. Those teams just are to me, unlike my hatred of teams like the yanks or jets.

Also the stats I posted are legit, completely legit and counted as official. So yah, not really going to agree with you pigeon holing data as in let me see OT passes on 2nd down of 10 yards or more. The stats were NOT ties only, it was down or tie leading to victories. That's a 4th qtr win, late game win. You claim he's not clutch, I show you stats with the same categorical guidelines for the greats of our time and he's not only in line with them, but better than most you'd claim to be clutch. Sorry, you didn't prove shit.

[spoon]

Pretty much what you said up there.

yah, that's what i meant (isn't)

thanks pb

[Snacks]

No you see, I AM from PA and actually lived in outside Philly for some time and was forced to watch a TON of his games. So yah, that isn't on point at all. Also, just bc ur from an area doesn't even COME CLOSE to making all your points correct. In fact, bc I have lived in the area AND lived with/near tons of Philly fans I know just how idiotic their assumptions and claims can be. I lived it without being jaded one way or another. I'm not a fan or a hater. Those teams just are to me, unlike my hatred of teams like the yanks or jets.

Also the stats I posted are legit, completely legit and counted as official. So yah, not really going to agree with you pigeon holing data as in let me see OT passes on 2nd down of 10 yards or more. The stats were NOT ties only, it was down or tie leading to victories. That's a 4th qtr win, late game win. You claim he's not clutch, I show you stats with the same categorical guidelines for the greats of our time and he's not only in line with them, but better than most you'd claim to be clutch. Sorry, you didn't prove shit.

Why would you continue to try to prove anything to the voice of philly? He works at the stadium, he isnt allowed to wear a phillies hat so he knows these things. Come on he grew up in philly he should know much more then you or anyone else who likes football. Stats from the web mean nothing, what matters is that 1 philly fan can speak for all philly fans to why they hate mcnabb. You need to just take his word for it or you can go to a game with a phillies hat on and see if the executives make faces as you walk through the gates.

[spoon]

I'm not really trying to be pissy here, but to me his points just don't add up. Skeet was all quiet as the older version of McNabb took a shitty Washington team and has made them decent over night. Through 8 games they have as many wins as in 2009.

Also, this was done with a much lesser defense, a staple of a Shanny team. Not to mention they were down this year in the 4th quarter and WON!?! Like for example the GB game, a team picked as a Super Bowl contender by most. They were down 13-3 going into the 4th and one might argue (me) he had a bad game bc they only managed 3 up to that point. But by your standards he was AWESOME bc he led them to a 4th quarter TOUCHDOWN and FG, followed by an OT winning FG!

Oh and they beat Kolb and the Eagles in Philly as well.

[spoon]

He's playing in his first new system and coach in about a decade, all while playing with an unknown RB let go by Denver, and wrs outside of S Moss named Anthony Armstrong (starter). All this while playing behind a line that allowed the second most sacks and qb hits in the whole NFL. Yah, more bad/false stats I know.

[Snacks]

He's playing in his first new system and coach in about a decade, all while playing with an unknown RB let go by Denver, and wrs outside of S Moss named Anthony Armstrong (starter). All this while playing behind a line that allowed the second most sacks and qb hits in the whole NFL. Yah, more bad/false stats I know.

No I agree with you. I have always thought Mcnabb is a really good QB that deserved more respect and appreciation from those asshole eagles fans then he got. My point to you, why argue with him? He knows these things because he works at the stadium and hes not allowed to wear a philles hat. You cant argue with that stuff? He knows that the eagles organization is scared and hates the phillies so much that, that is the reason for all that craziness!

[spoon]

No I agree with you. I have always thought Mcnabb is a really good QB that deserved more respect and appreciation from those asshole eagles fans then he got. My point to you, why argue with him? He knows these things because he works at the stadium and hes not allowed to wear a philles hat. You cant argue with that stuff? He knows that the eagles organization is scared and hates the phillies so much that, that is the reason for all that craziness!

Yah I understood your joke, just trying to say I'm not even trying to get in some pissing match with him. I truly don't understand his continued need to rip the guy down whenever he has a bump in the road at 34 (soon). If nothing else, he surely is watching and rooting against his every throw among other philly fans for some reason outside of him playing in Washington. It's a hate/hate relationship they all have with him and it's misplaced blame based at best.

[spoon]

You know what, it'd be the equivalent of me blaming Junior Seau for the Chargers NOT winning a championship while in SD. He was a HUGE reason, like McNabb in Philly, my team had any upside and success in the first place. Both guys filled HUGE holes throughout the team by their own enhanced level of play and leadership. They played on opposite ends of the play, but both have similar winning impacts on their teams. One is LOVED and the other is despised.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

this should be moved to the Spengler Cup Ice Hockey Thread

[Justice4all]

You have no idea how angry it makes upper management when something happens like the Phillies Game 3 against Cincinatti drew more ratings locally then the Eagles vs. San Fran.

I work at the fucking stadium, its the only stadium that bars employees from wearing another local teams caps....the Phillies. Ive personally seen people forced to remove them. My point was if they want to try and become the number one team in town again getting Randy Moss right after the Phils got knocked out by SF in the playoffs would be a smart move to try.

Skeet let me make sure I have this straight....they're upset because a Good (not GREAT) at best football team vs. a crappy football team didn't get better ratings then the Phillies NLDS game? And the clincher to move onto the NLCS at that?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks got more ratings then the Giants or Jets did when they were in the playoffs. When the Chicago White Sox had a home game this year they invited the Blackhawks with the Stanley Cup to be there for the opening ceremonies. So how is it that one city can mix their love of one sport into another and yet the Philly can't?

[TripleSkeet]

Skeet let me make sure I have this straight....they're upset because a Good (not GREAT) at best football team vs. a crappy football team didn't get better ratings then the Phillies NLDS game? And the clincher to move onto the NLCS at that?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks got more ratings then the Giants or Jets did when they were in the playoffs. When the Chicago White Sox had a home game this year they invited the Blackhawks with the Stanley Cup to be there for the opening ceremonies. So how is it that one city can mix their love of one sport into another and yet the Philly can't?

Yes. They HATE the Phillies here. The Eagles organization, not the players. Because once the Phils won that title that was it, they got unconditional love. The Eagles never got that because they didnt win a title. Thats how it is here. Close is great, but youre not getting statues built for you for getting close. You get a pat on the back.

Thats why guys like Bobby Clark, Mike Schmidt, and Dr. J never have to buy a drink in this town ever again. While Eric Lindros, Iverson, and McNabb will get a "Hey, thanks for all you did" but thats it.

And yes I feel that someone that lives here and watches every game does know more then some other guy from halfway across the country that only sees the Sportscenter highlights and hears the talking heads on ESPN raving about him. I love baseball, but I dont see alot of Toronto games, so I dont know as much about them as a guy like spoon whos a fan of the team and watches alot more of their games then I do. It would be easy for me to look at stats and say "Well look at how many RBIs this guy has, hes great" while he may know that most of those come in games where the game is already decided, and that when the teams need runs in close games the guy usually strikes out.

But you know what? Youre right, hes great...

Redskins try out Jamarcus Russell

Analysis: The Redskins apparently aren't too happy with Donovan McNabb at the moment after coach Mike Shanahan pulled him late in Sunday's loss to the Lions, and this move smells like desperation. One of the NFL's biggest No. 1 draft busts, Russell has completed just 52.1 percent of his passes in his career, with 18 touchdowns, 23 interceptions and 15 lost fumbles.

This is the same coach you guys were all calling a genius before the season started. Now that he disagrees with your assesment hes a moron, right?

[TripleSkeet]

You know what, it'd be the equivalent of me blaming Junior Seau for the Chargers NOT winning a championship while in SD. He was a HUGE reason, like McNabb in Philly, my team had any upside and success in the first place. Both guys filled HUGE holes throughout the team by their own enhanced level of play and leadership. They played on opposite ends of the play, but both have similar winning impacts on their teams. One is LOVED and the other is despised.

I dont even know how you can compare a LB to a QB, but ok. Heres the difference, if Junior Seau played every game like he normally did, but when the game was tight, and they needed him to make a big play, say 85% of the time hed either blow coverage or miss a tackle and youd lose.

He could still have all his sacks, tackles, interceptions that he had for the rest of the time, just not in those situations. Then afterwards, hed have a press conference where he would whine that the fans should just be happy they got there. Would he still be loved?

Ive posted about this before. I dont get this unconditional love for athletes that havent won. These arent my fucking kids. Giving their best isnt always enough. We want titles. We want rings. When a team that we dont expect to win comes out of nowhere and makes a run (last seasons Flyers) we get behind them 100% and support them and even if they fall short we applaud their effort and let them know we appreciate it. But when a team is built to win and falls short...or better yet CONSTANTLY falls short...then fuck them, they arent getting hugs and thank yous for coming close. Thats loser talk.

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm incredibly impressed with how well Manning ran the offense with all the injuries. He was dissecting Texas' defense with his 3rd and 4th string TE/RB.

When people talk about who the best QB in the league is, they point to things that are clearly team motivated like Superbowl Wins, or regular season record. Anyone that watches NFL games week-in and week-out should have no question who the best QB in the league is. It's Peyton Manning.

[Barnaby Jones]

Ive posted about this before. I dont get this unconditional love for athletes that havent won. These arent my fucking kids. Giving their best isnt always enough. We want titles. We want rings. When a team that we dont expect to win comes out of nowhere and makes a run (last seasons Flyers) we get behind them 100% and support them and even if they fall short we applaud their effort and let them know we appreciate it. But when a team is built to win and falls short...or better yet CONSTANTLY falls short...then fuck them, they arent getting hugs and thank yous for coming close. Thats loser talk.

This doesn't make any sense! Most athletes end up not winning a championship and most athletes fail at their expected task more often than not! You have unrealistic expectations!

[foodcourtdruide]

This doesn't make any sense! Most athletes end up not winning a championship and most athletes fail at their expected task more often than not! You have unrealistic expectations!

I'm with you. It's like you can't have any joy unless your team wins a championship every year. There are incredible moments in sports week in/week out.

[TripleSkeet]

This doesn't make any sense! Most athletes end up not winning a championship and most athletes fail at their expected task more often than not! You have unrealistic expectations!

No I dont. Thats why most athletes wind up either forgotten or remembered with a smile. Most athletes dont get statues built and deidcated to them, only the very best do. Thats why weve got statues of Carlton and Schmidt but none of Jaworski or Barkley around here. Im not saying they are worthless, but if you arent a champion, then you dont get put on that pedestal, at least not in this town. In my opinion thats how it should be. If they wanna suck Junior Seaus dick in San Diego for getting them to the playoffs a few years be my guests, thats not how it operates in this town.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm with you. It's like you can't have any joy unless your team wins a championship every year. There are incredible moments in sports week in/week out.

Thats not what Im saying at all. You can enjoy it all you want. But players like Tony Romo, who took Dallas to the playoffs for the first time in years, dont get the same respect as a Troy Aikman, who brought Dallas rings....and rightfully so. Thats all Im saying. There are levels of gratitude and you dont get put on the championship level for coming close. At least not around here.

I know some towns are just happy to have a pro franchise in their city, regardless of how good or bad they are. Thats great for them, but I could never be that way.

[foodcourtdruide]

Thats not what Im saying at all. You can enjoy it all you want. But players like Tony Romo, who took Dallas to the playoffs for the first time in years, dont get the same respect as a Troy Aikman, who brought Dallas rings....and rightfully so. Thats all Im saying. There are levels of gratitude and you dont get put on the championship level for coming close. At least not around here.

I know some towns are just happy to have a pro franchise in their city, regardless of how good or bad they are. Thats great for them, but I could never be that way.

Troy Aikman/Tony Romo is a bad example, because Aikman is a much better QB.

Do you think Roethlesburger should get more respect than Peyton Manning because he has more rings? What's your opinion of Dan Marino?

Do you think Wins should dictate perception of a pitcher?

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm incredibly impressed with how well Manning ran the offense with all the injuries. He was dissecting Texas' defense with his 3rd and 4th string TE/RB.

When people talk about who the best QB in the league is, they point to things that are clearly team motivated like Superbowl Wins, or regular season record. Anyone that watches NFL games week-in and week-out should have no question who the best QB in the league is. It's Peyton Manning.

At this point, if you want to go ahead and say Peyton Manning is the best quarterback of all time, I'm not going to argue much. I still think that particular honor belongs to Joe Montana, but Peyton's probably #2 if he's not #1.

The thing about football is that it's not a "stat" sport like baseball. And a QB has much more effect on whether or not his team wins than any player on a baseball team -- even the pitcher, because they don't play every game. So I'm far more willing to let the fact that Ted Williams never won a World Series go than I am willing to let the fact that Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl go.

[foodcourtdruide]

At this point, if you want to go ahead and say Peyton Manning is the best quarterback of all time, I'm not going to argue much. I still think that particular honor belongs to Joe Montana, but Peyton's probably #2 if he's not #1.

The thing about football is that it's not a "stat" sport like baseball. And a QB has much more effect on whether or not his team wins than any player on a baseball team -- even the pitcher, because they don't play every game. So I'm far more willing to let the fact that Ted Williams never won a World Series go than I am willing to let the fact that Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl go.

I'd agree Montana #1, Manning #2. However, I think that's going to depend on how long Manning plays. If he does this for another 5 years, it's impossible not to make him #1, but that has to happen first.

Do you think a key defensive player could have as much impact as a QB? For example, wouldn't you say LT was more of a reason for the the Giants won than Simms?

[Barnaby Jones]

No I dont. Thats why most athletes wind up either forgotten or remembered with a smile. Most athletes dont get statues built and deidcated to them, only the very best do. Thats why weve got statues of Carlton and Schmidt but none of Jaworski or Barkley around here. Im not saying they are worthless, but if you arent a champion, then you dont get put on that pedestal, at least not in this town. In my opinion thats how it should be. If they wanna suck Junior Seaus dick in San Diego for getting them to the playoffs a few years be my guests, thats not how it operates in this town.

Statues?!?! Who gives a fuck about statues?!?! What the hell are you talking about???? Great players are great players regardless of whether they win it all! You keep talking about Philly like it should have some kind of high standards for their players when all of their major sports teams have won a whopping 7 championships in the last 50 years!!!

[TripleSkeet]

Statues?!?! Who gives a fuck about statues?!?! What the hell are you talking about???? Great players are great players regardless of whether they win it all! You keep talking about Philly like it should have some kind of high standards for their players when all of their major sports teams have won a whopping 7 championships in the last 50 years!!!

Im talking about this need for us to unconditionally love our athletes that the rest of the country feels we need. Tell me why the fuck exactly Donovan McNabb should get 100% respect in this town? What has he won???? Because he was better then what we had before, that means we should be satisfied and happy with what weve got? Fuck that.

My point is if you want to be treated like an all time great, you have to win championships, otherwise all you were is another great player. And great players dont get unconditional love and respect from the fans.

Before this season everyone was bitching because Philly fans were happy McNabb got traded, now that hes playing like dogshit people are saying "Well hes old now, he doesnt have the same abilities he had before", well if thats the case, why the fuck should we have wanted to keep him??? So he could make our team even worse?

Philly does have high standards for our athletes, it doesnt matter how many championships the city has. We expect our athletes to care as much about winning as we do, and if they dont they can go play somewhere else.

[Barnaby Jones]

So if someone doesn't win a championship they don't care???? Wow, there are a lot of apathetic athletes out there!!!!

The Philly approach of "if they don't win it all they aren't worth shit and we have to hate them" is fucking moronic! You know there's a whole middle ground of appreciating and having good memories of really good and great players even if they don't win it all, right? You're acting like it's poison or a sign of weakness to like a player even if they never play on a championship team! Lighten the fuck up and enjoy sports every once in a while!

[TripleSkeet]

Troy Aikman/Tony Romo is a bad example, because Aikman is a much better QB.

Do you think Roethlesburger should get more respect than Peyton Manning because he has more rings? What's your opinion of Dan Marino?

Do you think Wins should dictate perception of a pitcher?

I follow Knoxs logic when it comes to baseball and football. I dont think there is any position in all of sports (basketball comes close) where one person is so much more responsible for winning then the rest of his team.

If you look at skills teams look for in QB, leadership is always one. I dont there is any other position in sports where thats looked at as a requirement.

Also, number of rings isnt always what makes a guy great, its how those rings were won. Obviously I dont think Trent Dilfer is as great a QB as Marino, but that being said, I dont consider Marino to be on the same level as guys like Montana, Brady, Elway or Manning.

I aslo feel Montana is the greatest QB of all time, followed by Brady who did alot more with alot less then Manning did. But Manning would be either 3rd or 4th in my book.

As far as pitcher goes, wins are a tricky stat. Is it impressive when a pitcher wins 18 games on a team that averaged 7 run s a game in his starts? When hes got a 4 ERA? When his team won 103 games? No I dont think it is. But was Steve Carltons 27 Wins with an ERA under 2 for a team that won a total of 59 games impressive? Shit, it may be one of the most impressive feats in all of baseball.

[TripleSkeet]

So if someone doesn't win a championship they don't care???? Wow, there are a lot of apathetic athletes out there!!!!

The Philly approach of "if they don't win it all they aren't worth shit and we have to hate them" is fucking moronic! You know there's a whole middle ground of appreciating and having good memories of really good and great players even if they don't win it all, right? You're acting like it's poison or a sign of weakness to like a player even if they never play on a championship team! Lighten the fuck up and enjoy sports every once in a while!

No thats what your doing! I am saying theres a middle ground, thats my whole fucking point. I dont hate McNabb, or Iverson or Lindros. Fuck, Barkley and Randall are 2 of my favorite athletes of all time. My point was they dont get the same respect as those that came in here and won championships. They are in that middle ground of appreciating having good memories. They arent hated, but they didnt earn the right to get up on the pedestal either.

You guys are the ones that say we hate our athletes if we dont put them on a pedestal and forgive every fuckup they make. And thats my point. Nobody is complaining about all the errors Chase Utley made in these playoffs because the fucking guy brought the city a title. So he gets a pass. He doesnt get bitched about. McNabb got passes like that for years, until it was becoming every year and he still hadnt won shit. Eventually it was time for him to move on and everyone complained that we should appreciate him even more. He got the credit he was due and thats it.

[CountryBob]

Im talking about this need for us to unconditionally love our athletes that the rest of the country feels we need. Tell me why the fuck exactly Donovan McNabb should get 100% respect in this town? What has he won???? Because he was better then what we had before, that means we should be satisfied and happy with what weve got? Fuck that.

My point is if you want to be treated like an all time great, you have to win championships, otherwise all you were is another great player. And great players dont get unconditional love and respect from the fans.

Before this season everyone was bitching because Philly fans were happy McNabb got traded, now that hes playing like dogshit people are saying "Well hes old now, he doesnt have the same abilities he had before", well if thats the case, why the fuck should we have wanted to keep him??? So he could make our team even worse?

Philly does have high standards for our athletes, it doesnt matter how many championships the city has. We expect our athletes to care as much about winning as we do, and if they dont they can go play somewhere else.

McNabb should get 100% respect in Philly because of his loyalty, character and sweat and blood he gave your town. I never heard of a scandal or any bad words ever said by Donovan about Philly or the organization. Winners of the big game are heroes - the top of the heap - but the losers of the big game dont deserve any less respect.

It's all about winning - McNabb plays for my Skins now and if he isnt the best for the job, get his ass outta there. But, I have 100% respect for him.

[Barnaby Jones]

No thats what your doing! I am saying theres a middle ground, thats my whole fucking point. I dont hate McNabb, or Iverson or Lindros. Fuck, Barkley and Randall are 2 of my favorite athletes of all time. My point was they dont get the same respect as those that came in here and won championships. They are in that middle ground of appreciating having good memories. They arent hated, but they didnt earn the right to get up on the pedestal either.

You guys are the ones that say we hate our athletes if we dont put them on a pedestal and forgive every fuckup they make. And thats my point. Nobody is complaining about all the errors Chase Utley made in these playoffs because the fucking guy brought the city a title. So he gets a pass. He doesnt get bitched about. McNabb got passes like that for years, until it was becoming every year and he still hadnt won shit. Eventually it was time for him to move on and everyone complained that we should appreciate him even more. He got the credit he was due and thats it.

Your whole city is weird and doesn't understand sports at all!!! You respect and appreciate the talent, period! Making excuses to needlessly tear guys down or minimize their time in Philly is just odd!

[TripleSkeet]

McNabb should get 100% respect in Philly because of his loyalty, character and sweat and blood he gave your town. I never heard of a scandal or any bad words ever said by Donovan about Philly or the organization. Winners of the big game are heroes - the top of the heap - but the losers of the big game dont deserve any less respect.

It's all about winning - McNabb plays for my Skins now and if he isnt the best for the job, get his ass outta there. But, I have 100% respect for him.

Sorry, I disagree. He had a rough time coming here, I agree. He didnt deserve to be booed at the draft. That being said, its happened to plenty of players before him and since, yet nobody ever mentions it. He on the other hand, has brought it up even years later when he was embraced for taking the Eagles to the playoffs. Hes said things like "We won 11 games this year, they should be happy with that". Thats loser talk. A winner is not happy when they lose. They dont say "Hey look at all the good things that happened" they look at that loss and it fuels them to do better.

And losers of the big games do not deserve the same amount of respect as the winners. You play to win. You can still be respected in defeat, but the winner gets more, because he earned it. I respect him for playing hard and making the Eagles contenders for years, but I am also a fan of the game of football and realize the guy always lacked leadership and poise. And he was never a champion.

You can respect McNabb all you want because he plays for the Redskins. According to your team hes not even in fucking shape right now.

Your whole city is weird and doesn't understand sports at all!!! You respect and appreciate the talent, period! Making excuses to needlessly tear guys down or minimize their time in Philly is just odd!

Philadelphians are some of the most knowledgable sports fans in the country. Like everywhere, youve got your morons, but the people here know their sports. That isnt just my opinion. Its been stated by pro athletes, announcers, sportswriters and journalists around the country many times over.

Just because you dont get how it is here doesnt make it odd. I find it odd to constantly pat a guy on the back and tell him how good he is when year after year he doesnt get the job done. No, we dont just "appreciate the talent". Fuck that. Hes getting paid millions for that talent, he gets appreciated when he produces.

[CountryBob]

Winning is everything, losing is for losers!
You know the worst thing besides finishing dead last? Finishing second...

[TripleSkeet]

Winning is everything, losing is for losers!
You know the worst thing besides finishing dead last? Finishing second...

When it copmes to professional sports thats exactly how I feel. I can understand why people dont agree but oh well, thats my opinion.

P.S.
You forgot, 2nd place is 1st loser.

[Snacks]

This doesn't make any sense! Most athletes end up not winning a championship and most athletes fail at their expected task more often than not! You have unrealistic expectations!

and that is why I said months ago that philly fans are idiots. The eagles havent won a thing ever! yet they are so hateful towards a man who brought them to 5 NFC title games and 1 super bowl. Most fans through out the league would love their QB for doing that and at least giving them a shot every year and a chance and knowledge to know that they will be in it every year. The eagles have never been in it, they have been a shitty organization for 50 years. It has always amazed me about them!

Look at Miami. They havent won a super bowl since January 1974. Miami has been to the super bowl 5 times yet we love and respect Marino who did similar things as Mcnabb. He brought Miami to the AFC title a couple of times and only 1 Super Bowl. Now us fans love the guy and our expectations should be higher then the shitty eagles and their fans. Miami is the winningest franchise in the history of the NFL. We have more of a reason to expect our team to make it to the super bowl. Yet we know and understand it cant always happen. So we are pissed we havent won 1 since back in the day but we love our great players who have done everything they could to try to get us back.

The idiot eagles fans go after their great star qb because he alone couldnt get them over the hump. Instead of treating him with respect they bitch. Like I said before be happy you had a chance every year. Not everyone is going to be able to win but if you have a chance you never know. Football and baseball 1 player cant win it all. The NBA is the only sport where a championship ring validates your greatness because its the only sport where 1 player can be the difference.

Fucking eagles fans, what animals

[Barnaby Jones]

Just because you dont get how it is here doesnt make it odd. I find it odd to constantly pat a guy on the back and tell him how good he is when year after year he doesnt get the job done. No, we dont just "appreciate the talent". Fuck that. Hes getting paid millions for that talent, he gets appreciated when he produces.

No, it's really, really odd! He did produce year after year, yet Philly fans acted like having him as a QB was this big fucking burden! And don't pretend that was something that only showed up at the end; Philly fans rode his ass like he sucked almost his entire time there!

There's being a fan and then just being a ridiculous fanatic! Enjoy some talent or else you'll just be miserable watching sports like 99% of the time, especially in Philly! Christ, you'd think Philly fans would get this more than anyone else since most of their teams have been god awful way more often than not!

[hanso]

Purple drank all up in skins camp yall! booya!

[TripleSkeet]

No, it's really, really odd! He did produce year after year, yet Philly fans acted like having him as a QB was this big fucking burden! And don't pretend that was something that only showed up at the end; Philly fans rode his ass like he sucked almost his entire time there!

There's being a fan and then just being a ridiculous fanatic! Enjoy some talent or else you'll just be miserable watching sports like 99% of the time, especially in Philly! Christ, you'd think Philly fans would get this more than anyone else since most of their teams have been god awful way more often than not!

There have been morons that never wanted him here. I was not one of them. Like MOST fans here, from 2001 thru 2005 that guy could do no wrong in our eyes. Seriously. He was beloved around here. Yet he always had this chip on his shoulder for the few fans that didnt like him. It was like when Jay Mohr would post here, and 1 guy would say he sucked, how hed get mad at the whole board.

Those 2004 playoffs were just ridiculous. Instead of just saying, "TOs my teammate, since he cant be out there, we are just gonna have to win without him and hope he is ready to play in the Super Bowl." Instead it was "We dont need TO to win. We were good before he got here." Is that how a leader conducts himself? Like a teenage girl thats afraid the new girl is getting all her attention???

Philly fans expect more because we fucking deserve more. No cities fans have had the torture we've dealt with as sports fans. Yet we continue to support the teams and the colors no matter what.

and that is why I said months ago that philly fans are idiots. The eagles havent won a thing ever! yet they are so hateful towards a man who brought them to 5 NFC title games and 1 super bowl. Most fans through out the league would love their QB for doing that and at least giving them a shot every year and a chance and knowledge to know that they will be in it every year. The eagles have never been in it, they have been a shitty organization for 50 years. It has always amazed me about them!

Look at Miami. They havent won a super bowl since January 1974. Miami has been to the super bowl 5 times yet we love and respect Marino who did similar things as Mcnabb. He brought Miami to the AFC title a couple of times and only 1 Super Bowl. Now us fans love the guy and our expectations should be higher then the shitty eagles and their fans. Miami is the winningest franchise in the history of the NFL. We have more of a reason to expect our team to make it to the super bowl. Yet we know and understand it cant always happen. So we are pissed we havent won 1 since back in the day but we love our great players who have done everything they could to try to get us back.

The idiot eagles fans go after their great star qb because he alone couldnt get them over the hump. Instead of treating him with respect they bitch. Like I said before be happy you had a chance every year. Not everyone is going to be able to win but if you have a chance you never know. Football and baseball 1 player cant win it all. The NBA is the only sport where a championship ring validates your greatness because its the only sport where 1 player can be the difference.

Fucking eagles fans, what animals

Ive lived in Miami. You people know dick about sports in general let alone football. Ill never forget in Jimmy Johnsons first year there, a year they made the playoffs, their last home game of the season was MNF against Buffalo, an archrival. Yet I got not one but TWO free pairs of tickets while walking through the parking lot on a gorgeous South Florida night. People were just giving them away. Your fanbase is a joke. You barely deserve a football team at all rather another Super Bowl.

[Snacks]

There have been morons that never wanted him here. I was not one of them. Like MOST fans here, from 2001 thru 2005 that guy could do no wrong in our eyes. Seriously. He was beloved around here. Yet he always had this chip on his shoulder for the few fans that didnt like him. It was like when Jay Mohr would post here, and 1 guy would say he sucked, how hed get mad at the whole board.

Those 2004 playoffs were just ridiculous. Instead of just saying, "TOs my teammate, since he cant be out there, we are just gonna have to win without him and hope he is ready to play in the Super Bowl." Instead it was "We dont need TO to win. We were good before he got here." Is that how a leader conducts himself? Like a teenage girl thats afraid the new girl is getting all her attention???

Philly fans expect more because we fucking deserve more. No cities fans have had the torture we've dealt with as sports fans. Yet we continue to support the teams and the colors no matter what.



Ive lived in Miami. You people know dick about sports in general let alone football. Ill never forget in Jimmy Johnsons first year there, a year they made the playoffs, their last home game of the season was MNF against Buffalo, an archrival. Yet I got not one but TWO free pairs of tickets while walking through the parking lot on a gorgeous South Florida night. People were just giving them away. Your fanbase is a joke. You barely deserve a football team at all rather another Super Bowl.

thats great but to be honest the Miami Dolphins fans are all over the country. They are one of the most followed teams even more then the eagles. Their biggest problem is they dont have as mush support in Miami as they do nationwide. I dont live in Miami (would love to) I live North Jersey but I do know that Miami is just like LA there is more to do then sports and people rather do other things then go to games. Does it suck for the Dolphins and sports teams in those types of cities? Yes. But dont act like Miami Fans dont know what they are talking about just because the local fans dont sell out and go to games.

People that are so hard on athletes make me laugh. They wouldnt do 1 100th of the things these athletes do. Yet they bitch like they are better and could do better. Im all for booing someone but not someone who has given you their all. Appreciate someone for them giving everything they have. But it does seem like eagle fans dont care they just want to add trophies to their already filled trophy shelves.... :bye::clap::innocent:

[TheGameHHH]

thats great but to be honest the Miami Dolphins fans are all over the country. They are one of the most followed teams even more then the eagles. Their biggest problem is they dont have as mush support in Miami as they do nationwide. I dont live in Miami (would love to) I live North Jersey but I do know that Miami is just like LA there is more to do then sports and people rather do other things then go to games. Does it suck for the Dolphins and sports teams in those types of cities? Yes. But dont act like Miami Fans dont know what they are talking about just because the local fans dont sell out and go to games.

People that are so hard on athletes make me laugh. They wouldnt do 1 100th of the things these athletes do. Yet they bitch like they are better and could do better. Im all for booing someone but not someone who has given you their all. Appreciate someone for them giving everything they have. But it does seem like eagle fans dont care they just want to add trophies to their already filled trophy shelves.... :bye::clap::innocent:

the thing I noticed most about Miami fans from my 3+ years of living down there is when their teams are good, and this goes for everybody except the Panthers, they're some of the most passionate fans around. but when their teams suck not a single person bothers to even consider themselves a fan.

[TripleSkeet]

thats great but to be honest the Miami Dolphins fans are all over the country. They are one of the most followed teams even more then the eagles. Their biggest problem is they dont have as mush support in Miami as they do nationwide. I dont live in Miami (would love to) I live North Jersey but I do know that Miami is just like LA there is more to do then sports and people rather do other things then go to games. Does it suck for the Dolphins and sports teams in those types of cities? Yes. But dont act like Miami Fans dont know what they are talking about just because the local fans dont sell out and go to games.

People that are so hard on athletes make me laugh. They wouldnt do 1 100th of the things these athletes do. Yet they bitch like they are better and could do better. Im all for booing someone but not someone who has given you their all. Appreciate someone for them giving everything they have. But it does seem like eagle fans dont care they just want to add trophies to their already filled trophy shelves.... :bye::clap::innocent:

Eagles fans dont boo when they feel they are getting all they can from the players. They really dont. When they feel the players are half assing it or dont care, which happens PLENTY in sports, they let them know about it. Thats why you never saw Dawkins get booed even in his last year here where he was really starting to lose a step.

As far as the opposition, well Michael Irvin said it best in an interview "Eagles fans dont boo nobodies. I loved it when they booed me because it meant I was doing my job. Every player in the NFL wishes they could play for the kind of fans they have in Philadelphia."

McNabb was appreciated for what he did, but it became apparent to many that he didnt have what it takes to bring a title to this city. Well once you reach that conclusion, what are you supposed to do? Let him stay as long as he wants out of thanks for past performances??? No, you cut him loose. If you cant help the team win then its time to fucking go. You see it happen in every sport in every town. They got rid of fucking Joe Montana in San Fran for Gods sake! Yet Philly gets criticized constantly for being unappreciative. Its a joke.

[Snacks]

the thing I noticed most about Miami fans from my 3+ years of living down there is when their teams are good, and this goes for everybody except the Panthers, they're some of the most passionate fans around. but when their teams suck not a single person bothers to even consider themselves a fan.

agreed. I remember when The U was one of the best college programs. The orange bowl (not the bowl game the stadium itself) was a mad house. I wish I would have gone to a game there but being from NJ it never happened.

[Tenbatsuzen]

thats great but to be honest the Miami Dolphins fans are all over the country. They are one of the most followed teams

Horseshit. I can name five teams off the top of my head that have a bigger national following than Miami. Steelers, Cowboys, Packers, Vikings, Bears, Patriots. I'd even say that the Skins and Denver have more national following than the Dolphins.

Miami's national following is middle of the pack at best.

[Barnaby Jones]

Philly fans expect more because we fucking deserve more. No cities fans have had the torture we've dealt with as sports fans. Yet we continue to support the teams and the colors no matter what.

BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSHHHHIIIIIIIIIT x 3!

[Snacks]

Horseshit. I can name five teams off the top of my head that have a bigger national following than Miami. Steelers, Cowboys, Packers, Vikings, Bears, Patriots. I'd even say that the Skins and Denver have more national following than the Dolphins.

Miami's national following is middle of the pack at best.

well they definitely have more fan support then the jets which is funny that a market 1 team sucks and has no fans support. Also I never said they were the most I said one of the most.

I see more Miami jerseys in NJ then I see Jets jerseys. There is a fucking Miami Dolphins sports bar in NJ on Route 10 right down the street from the Jets corporate offices/training facility! lol Miami Mikes and its huge.

Dont hate on the phins because even when they are shit they have more fans then the jets. Now I understand that Miami hasnt been shit as often or as long as the Jets but some on!

[Tenbatsuzen]

well they definitely have more fan support then the jets which is funny that a market 1 team sucks and has no fans support. Also I never said they were the most I said one of the most.

I see more Miami jerseys in NJ then I see Jets jerseys. There is a fucking Miami Dolphins sports bar in NJ on Route 10 right down the street from the Jets corporate offices/training facility! lol Miami Mikes and its huge.

Dont hate on the phins because even when they are shit they have more fans then the jets. Now I understand that Miami hasnt been shit as often or as long as the Jets but some on!

When did I ever bring the Jets into this? I know the Jets' following is more local than national. You're trying to bring Jets bashing into this when I called you out on an exaggeration of Miami's national fanbase.

Plus bringing up anecdotal evidence about how you see so many Fins jerseys is hysterical. I work in an office of 200+ people, I have fans of many teams including CLE, ATL, GB, and even CAR, but not a single Miami fan. Do I use that as a point in my arguments?

You use these dumb fucking facts to build up your case. Like this Miami Mike's thing. What the fuck, are the Jets going to use eminent domain to condemn a Miami sports bar when they moved to Florham Park 3 years ago? There's a fuckin' Margaritaville cafe within 1000 feet of University of Phoenix stadium, does that mean someone who has a minority ownership stake in the Phins has power over the Cardinals?

[spoon]

Yes. They HATE the Phillies here. The Eagles organization, not the players. Because once the Phils won that title that was it, they got unconditional love. The Eagles never got that because they didnt win a title. Thats how it is here. Close is great, but youre not getting statues built for you for getting close. You get a pat on the back.

Thats why guys like Bobby Clark, Mike Schmidt, and Dr. J never have to buy a drink in this town ever again. While Eric Lindros, Iverson, and McNabb will get a "Hey, thanks for all you did" but thats it.

And yes I feel that someone that lives here and watches every game does know more then some other guy from halfway across the country that only sees the Sportscenter highlights and hears the talking heads on ESPN raving about him. I love baseball, but I dont see alot of Toronto games, so I dont know as much about them as a guy like spoon whos a fan of the team and watches alot more of their games then I do. It would be easy for me to look at stats and say "Well look at how many RBIs this guy has, hes great" while he may know that most of those come in games where the game is already decided, and that when the teams need runs in close games the guy usually strikes out.

But you know what? Youre right, hes great...



This is the same coach you guys were all calling a genius before the season started. Now that he disagrees with your assesment hes a moron, right?

First off, it's called the NFL Ticket, Center Ice and MLB Package. Borders mean very little for someone rooting from afar or interested in watching a league as a whole while keeping their views MUCH more objective.

And on the Shanahan genius thing, HA! I failed to catch ANYONE saying that, and know for a fact the guys not only a douche, currently pissed off bc his son can't call an offensive play for shit and now is blaming his qb, but truly was an AWFUL coach by the end of his tenure there. He's an asshole and can't get along with anyone, hence the reason he hired his idiotic son.

[weekapaugjz]

No cities fans have had the torture we've dealt with as sports fans. Yet we continue to support the teams and the colors no matter what.

:bye:

[Snacks]

When did I ever bring the Jets into this? I know the Jets' following is more local than national. You're trying to bring Jets bashing into this when I called you out on an exaggeration of Miami's national fanbase.

Plus bringing up anecdotal evidence about how you see so many Fins jerseys is hysterical. I work in an office of 200+ people, I have fans of many teams including CLE, ATL, GB, and even CAR, but not a single Miami fan. Do I use that as a point in my arguments?

You use these dumb fucking facts to build up your case. Like this Miami Mike's thing. What the fuck, are the Jets going to use eminent domain to condemn a Miami sports bar when they moved to Florham Park 3 years ago? There's a fuckin' Margaritaville cafe within 1000 feet of University of Phoenix stadium, does that mean someone who has a minority ownership stake in the Phins has power over the Cardinals?

No but these dumb fucking facts prove my point. Opening a sports bar for Miami Dolphins fans in NJ is only done because there is a large enough fan base to make money off of. That proves my point. Open a Jets bar in Miami see how it does. Fuck open a Jets bar in NJ and see how it does! lol!

I will always compare my team to yours because no matter how much your team win this year or next they will never equal or compare to Miami in any way imaginable. I hate the Jets with all I can and for good reason, fans like you! I dont care if the Jets beat Miami again this year. I dont care if they go to the super bowl. They are a classless organization, with ugly uniforms and awful scummy fans.

[Tenbatsuzen]

No but these dumb fucking facts prove my point. Opening a sports bar for Miami Dolphins fans in NJ is only done because there is a large enough fan base to make money off of. That proves my point. Open a Jets bar in Miami see how it does. Fuck open a Jets bar in NJ and see how it does! lol!

I will always compare my team to yours because no matter how much your team win this year or next they will never equal or compare to Miami in any way imaginable. I hate the Jets with all I can and for good reason, fans like you! I dont care if the Jets beat Miami again this year. I dont care if they go to the super bowl. They are a classless organization, with ugly uniforms and awful scummy fans.

the funny thing about this is, I've talked almost zero trash about miami but you start yammering about the Jets every opportunity you get.

How exactly am I a bad fan if I don't trash your org, support my team without being a homer, I'm kind of at a loss here.

One of my best friends is a dolphins fan and I watched the first game at his place. As soon as the game was over, I told him "Good game" and shook his hand. I don't get your comment "fans like me". If anything, you're doing a bad job repping Miami.

Oh, and one more thing:

http://www.miamimikes.com/about

The doors opened in 2007 as Miami Mike's Sports Zone during the Dolphins-Chiefs preseason opener on August 14th. My childhood passion is now a reality for me and all my fans.

My early days at the Joe Namath Football Camp and playing in the Coconut Bowl in Miami Beach, the AAU Basketball camps, and all the long road trips for basketball games has made me want to create a great sports bar for all fans. And from all the success that I have achieved, it is still not enough. We will always continue to get bigger and better!

el oh el

[Snoogans]

el oh el

what did they teach at that camp, how to throw interceptions, shave your legs and dress like a woman?

[spoon]

Im talking about this need for us to unconditionally love our athletes that the rest of the country feels we need. Tell me why the fuck exactly Donovan McNabb should get 100% respect in this town? What has he won???? Because he was better then what we had before, that means we should be satisfied and happy with what weve got? Fuck that.

My point is if you want to be treated like an all time great, you have to win championships, otherwise all you were is another great player. And great players dont get unconditional love and respect from the fans.

Before this season everyone was bitching because Philly fans were happy McNabb got traded, now that hes playing like dogshit people are saying "Well hes old now, he doesnt have the same abilities he had before", well if thats the case, why the fuck should we have wanted to keep him??? So he could make our team even worse?

Philly does have high standards for our athletes, it doesnt matter how many championships the city has. We expect our athletes to care as much about winning as we do, and if they dont they can go play somewhere else.

So if someone doesn't win a championship they don't care???? Wow, there are a lot of apathetic athletes out there!!!!

The Philly approach of "if they don't win it all they aren't worth shit and we have to hate them" is fucking moronic! You know there's a whole middle ground of appreciating and having good memories of really good and great players even if they don't win it all, right? You're acting like it's poison or a sign of weakness to like a player even if they never play on a championship team! Lighten the fuck up and enjoy sports every once in a while!

Exactly. Nobody ONCE said you or philly fans have to have "100% respect" or "unconditional love" for a player, you adding statements like that is so over the top and an attempt to change this conversation. Most here simply don't get your and some other fans HATE of McNabb and that's not going over the top. YOU haven't chimed in until this last week as McNabb actually hasn't played that bad bc he had a winning record with an overall shitty team. In your eyes, wins only matter right? Comeback wins too by the way, nice right?! So let's back up and realize it's not that you don't LOVE McNabb or bc you were ready to move on at the position, which at his age and the likes of two other qbs of high profile sitting on the bench isn't crazy, it's the consistent disrespect you had for this guy from day one and throughout his career when he was building to a possible title. Perhaps if he ever got some love the end result would be different? I can't make that call but he's right in that the fans were nothing short of idiotic while he was there leading some AWFUL offenses to the top of the conference somehow. Yes, HE had a LOT to do with making up that gap.

[Snoogans]

i will give Namath credit for 1 thing though. At least he knew enough to turn around and hand the fuckin ball off once in awhile so they would win a few games, unlike Marino

[Tenbatsuzen]

Also: Miami Mike's was a sports bar when Mike took it over in 2007, so again, kind of misrepresenting that he built a place from the ground up. Also, it's a sports bar inside of a hotel. Come on.

[spoon]

I follow Knoxs logic when it comes to baseball and football. I dont think there is any position in all of sports (basketball comes close) where one person is so much more responsible for winning then the rest of his team.

If you look at skills teams look for in QB, leadership is always one. I dont there is any other position in sports where thats looked at as a requirement.

Also, number of rings isnt always what makes a guy great, its how those rings were won. Obviously I dont think Trent Dilfer is as great a QB as Marino, but that being said, I dont consider Marino to be on the same level as guys like Montana, Brady, Elway or Manning.

I aslo feel Montana is the greatest QB of all time, followed by Brady who did alot more with alot less then Manning did. But Manning would be either 3rd or 4th in my book.

As far as pitcher goes, wins are a tricky stat. Is it impressive when a pitcher wins 18 games on a team that averaged 7 run s a game in his starts? When hes got a 4 ERA? When his team won 103 games? No I dont think it is. But was Steve Carltons 27 Wins with an ERA under 2 for a team that won a total of 59 games impressive? Shit, it may be one of the most impressive feats in all of baseball.

What about goalie in hockey? I'd argue that position is the one you are looking for.

As for Carlton's feat, it sucks bc they didn't win it all that year. No statue for him that year.

[Snacks]

what did they teach at that camp, how to throw interceptions, shave your legs and dress like a woman?

that exactly what I was going to write. why did he have to bring that pos qb into this. That only makes things worse for him and the jets.

So Miami Mikes opened about the same time the Jets were building and about to open their facility? interesting

[Tenbatsuzen]

So Miami Mikes opened about the same time the Jets were building and about to open their facility? interesting

psst.. you may not know this... BUT ANOTHER FUCKING TEAM PLAYS IN THE SAME BUILDING THE JETS OWN HALF OF... HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[TripleSkeet]

agreed. I remember when The U was one of the best college programs. The orange bowl (not the bowl game the stadium itself) was a mad house. I wish I would have gone to a game there but being from NJ it never happened.

Thats funny, The U is the only team outside of Philly Im a big fan of. Probably because Frank Costa grew up around the corner from me.

[TripleSkeet]

:bye:

Sorry bro, I forget where you live.

[spoon]

Sorry, I disagree. He had a rough time coming here, I agree. He didnt deserve to be booed at the draft. That being said, its happened to plenty of players before him and since, yet nobody ever mentions it. He on the other hand, has brought it up even years later when he was embraced for taking the Eagles to the playoffs. Hes said things like "We won 11 games this year, they should be happy with that". Thats loser talk. A winner is not happy when they lose. They dont say "Hey look at all the good things that happened" they look at that loss and it fuels them to do better.

And losers of the big games do not deserve the same amount of respect as the winners. You play to win. You can still be respected in defeat, but the winner gets more, because he earned it. I respect him for playing hard and making the Eagles contenders for years, but I am also a fan of the game of football and realize the guy always lacked leadership and poise. And he was never a champion.

You can respect McNabb all you want because he plays for the Redskins. According to your team hes not even in fucking shape right now.



Philadelphians are some of the most knowledgable sports fans in the country. Like everywhere, youve got your morons, but the people here know their sports. That isnt just my opinion. Its been stated by pro athletes, announcers, sportswriters and journalists around the country many times over.

Just because you dont get how it is here doesnt make it odd. I find it odd to constantly pat a guy on the back and tell him how good he is when year after year he doesnt get the job done. No, we dont just "appreciate the talent". Fuck that. Hes getting paid millions for that talent, he gets appreciated when he produces.

So I guess winning the state championship in high school doesn't count? Or the 4 NFC EAST Championships in a row? Perhaps the NFC championship in 2008? He produced a ton for Philly, often with very shitty complimentary players on O as well, and your disdain for him is so odd. And stop acting like it isn't there and this is just a guy you like a lot but isn't a favorite all-time. You literally hang on every mistake or issue in his career to nag on him even though he's not even in Philly any longer. It runs deep for you and some others and it's fucking insane.

Fun fact, McNabb was the first QB EVER to throw 30 tds in a year with less than 10 interceptions (8) in 2004. But I guess TO was the real winner who seemingly is tough to acquire and is nothing but a team player who is loyal and a winner right? It was TO who got them to the SB right? Nah, he didn't play in the playoffs (here comes the he got them that seed and he did it then, blah!). I'd argue him coming back made it again about TO on the big stage and he helped the result and probably killed chemistry in the huddle followed by throwing Donovan under the bus. Fucking Philly...that's all I can say.

[Snacks]

psst.. you may not know this... BUT ANOTHER FUCKING TEAM PLAYS IN THE SAME BUILDING THE JETS OWN HALF OF... HOLY FUCKING SHIT

the giants own half of the jets facility in nj down the street from miami mikes? really? I thought it was the jets practice facility not the jets and giants? My bad.... holy shit is right! wow

[TripleSkeet]

Exactly. Nobody ONCE said you or philly fans have to have "100% respect" or "unconditional love" for a player, you adding statements like that is so over the top and an attempt to change this conversation. Most here simply don't get your and some other fans HATE of McNabb and that's not going over the top. YOU haven't chimed in until this last week as McNabb actually hasn't played that bad bc he had a winning record with an overall shitty team. In your eyes, wins only matter right? Comeback wins too by the way, nice right?! So let's back up and realize it's not that you don't LOVE McNabb or bc you were ready to move on at the position, which at his age and the likes of two other qbs of high profile sitting on the bench isn't crazy, it's the consistent disrespect you had for this guy from day one and throughout his career when he was building to a possible title. Perhaps if he ever got some love the end result would be different? I can't make that call but he's right in that the fans were nothing short of idiotic while he was there leading some AWFUL offenses to the top of the conference somehow. Yes, HE had a LOT to do with making up that gap.

He got plenty of love in this city. What the fuck are you talking about? Thats what I dont get. You act like the guy was hated his whole career here and thats plain bullshit. From 2001-2005 he was a fucking hero in this town. Of course some people still didnt like him, but they were a VERY small minority.

I never evebn said he wasnt a great QB. But there are alot of skills that make a great QB, and while he had great arm strength, scrambling ability and accuracy, he never had great poise or leadership skill. Sorry but thats the fucking truth. This comes from ex-teammates, Im not just giving my opinion. The guy cant hack pressure situations, it fucking happens.

The reason I laugh now is because Im laughing at all the morons that swore up and down how dumb Philly was for letting him go, and how bad they were gonna regret it. And I had to read how great he was gonna be with such a brilliant head coach in Shanahan taking over the Skins. Whether you liked him or not if you knew football you knew this was a move they pretty much had to make.

Ill never try to take away what he did here, because he did do alot with some shitty weapons for a long time. But dont forget, hes also had years with Brian Westbrook, TO, Desean Jackson, Chad Lewis and some pretty incredible defenses as well. I wont take any credit from McNabb, but he doesnt get the credit that deservedly should go to those players as well.

[TheGameHHH]

Horseshit. I can name five teams off the top of my head that have a bigger national following than Miami. Steelers, Cowboys, Packers, Vikings, Bears, Patriots. I'd even say that the Skins and Denver have more national following than the Dolphins.

Miami's national following is middle of the pack at best.

I disagree, I have no "numbers" to back that up just personal experience. Outside of the Steelers and Cowboys I think the Dolphins have the 3rd highest national following.

[TheGameHHH]

what did they teach at that camp, how to throw interceptions, shave your legs and dress like a woman?

the camp was fun as hell, I dont remember learning anything there but I remember it being a blast. It was also the first time I met LT, he was def high on crack

[TripleSkeet]

So I guess winning the state championship in high school doesn't count? Or the 4 NFC EAST Championships in a row? Perhaps the NFC championship in 2008? He produced a ton for Philly, often with very shitty complimentary players on O as well, and your disdain for him is so odd. And stop acting like it isn't there and this is just a guy you like a lot but isn't a favorite all-time. You literally hang on every mistake or issue in his career to nag on him even though he's not even in Philly any longer. It runs deep for you and some others and it's fucking insane.

Fun fact, McNabb was the first QB EVER to throw 30 tds in a year with less than 10 interceptions (8) in 2004. But I guess TO was the real winner who seemingly is tough to acquire and is nothing but a team player who is loyal and a winner right? It was TO who got them to the SB right? Nah, he didn't play in the playoffs (here comes the he got them that seed and he did it then, blah!). I'd argue him coming back made it again about TO on the big stage and he helped the result and probably killed chemistry in the huddle followed by throwing Donovan under the bus. Fucking Philly...that's all I can say.

Wow. Now we are getting really delusional. TO is the reason they lost the Super Bowl? Really? The Patriots handed that game to the Eagles on a silver platter and McNabb choked it away. Period. Throws a pick on the 10 which is called back from a penalty then proceeds to throw another pick to the same guy on the next play? Yea, thats great quarterbacking right there. If it wasnt for TO that Super Bowl wouldve been a blowout. If McNabb couldve found the balls to lead the team to victory in the 4th quarter TO wouldve most likely been MVP.


And yea, sorry but I dont count HS or NFC East crowns as "Championships". I could just imagine the amount of ripping on Philly fans we would get if we tried something so pathetic.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I disagree, I have no "numbers" to back that up just personal experience. Outside of the Steelers and Cowboys I think the Dolphins have the 3rd highest national following.

Absolutely not. The Packers are huge out west. Patriots too from the purely bandwagon point.

[PapaBear]

Considering the fact that I'm Redskins country, I see a shitload of Giants and Eagles fans here. Is it like that in other parts of the country, or is it just kids rebelling against their parents?

[TheGameHHH]

Absolutely not. The Packers are huge out west. Patriots too from the purely bandwagon point.

All I can say, again from personal experience, is that when I've visited sports bars throughout my travels in this country the running themes seem to be Steelers (overwhelmingly), Cowboys and Dolphins in that order. Maybe the Packers are huge out west but they def aren't that big here on the east

[spoon]

Wow. Now we are getting really delusional. TO is the reason they lost the Super Bowl? Really? The Patriots handed that game to the Eagles on a silver platter and McNabb choked it away. Period. Throws a pick on the 10 which is called back from a penalty then proceeds to throw another pick to the same guy on the next play? Yea, thats great quarterbacking right there. If it wasnt for TO that Super Bowl wouldve been a blowout. If McNabb couldve found the balls to lead the team to victory in the 4th quarter TO wouldve most likely been MVP.


And yea, sorry but I dont count HS or NFC East crowns as "Championships". I could just imagine the amount of ripping on Philly fans we would get if we tried something so pathetic.

Yes, the Super Bowl became the TO show and why is that? Was it needed? Did it help lead to the breakdown that occurred? And how did TO get all those AWFUL passes into his hands? It must have been that awful guy behind center that won with everyone else on the way to the SB, and only lost when TO came back and he became priority number. That bears no weight in this argument? The D who gets tons of credit for McNabb's success gets no blame? It's basically all on Donovan huh? I get it, there is no use even discussing this bc Philly fans are winners even though they continually look like assholes all over the news and across every league. Sorry TS, I don't get it at all.

[spoon]

All I can say, again from personal experience, is that when I've visited sports bars throughout my travels in this country the running themes seem to be Steelers (overwhelmingly), Cowboys and Dolphins in that order. Maybe the Packers are huge out west but they def aren't that big here on the east

Hey! SD is HUGE out here on the east coast buddy. I see jerseys and t-shirts for them almost weekly in the mirror!

Seriously though, SD owns the west coast bc of no LA team and Oakland and SF have sucked for years now. I'm sure the past in SF will allow for it to come back strong once it fields a good team again. Oakland somehow manages a pretty solid following playing in that hell hole under awful Al Davis which is quite impressive. Still, everywhere I visit in Mexico and the West Coast with my travels (personal and business) is loaded with SD shit. Hell, you should see the SD poncho I picked up in Cabo last year. I like it so much I'm going back to get another one soon!

[spoon]

NFL Team Popularity Index by WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703453804575479961782758620.html)

Interesting results here. Pretty much backs up a lot said in this thread.

We're number #13! We're number #13!

Funny as hell that the Jets and Phins are literally neck and neck.

[TripleSkeet]

Looking in the offseason thread I found this gem and it had me :lol:


the NFC EAST is now a 3 team race,and sorry philly fans,you're no longer in the race

[TripleSkeet]

NFL Team Popularity Index by WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703453804575479961782758620.html)

Interesting results here. Pretty much backs up a lot said in this thread.

We're number #13! We're number #13!

Funny as hell that the Jets and Phins are literally neck and neck.

The only thing that surprises me on that list is Oakland. I thought theyd be much higher.

[weekapaugjz]

The only thing that surprises me on that list is Oakland. I thought theyd be much higher.

they've been terrible for years. back in the late 90's/early 2000's i'm sure they would be much higher. same thing goes for the bills, they have fans everywhere because everybody moves away from buffalo, but going 10 years without making the playoffs and people will lose interest quickly.

[TripleSkeet]

Yes, the Super Bowl became the TO show and why is that? Was it needed? Did it help lead to the breakdown that occurred? And how did TO get all those AWFUL passes into his hands? It must have been that awful guy behind center that won with everyone else on the way to the SB, and only lost when TO came back and he became priority number. That bears no weight in this argument? The D who gets tons of credit for McNabb's success gets no blame? It's basically all on Donovan huh? I get it, there is no use even discussing this bc Philly fans are winners even though they continually look like assholes all over the news and across every league. Sorry TS, I don't get it at all.

The defense gets plenty of blame for that game, but if you watch the first half its impossible not to turn around and say, "The Eagles had it, and gave it away" and most of that was due to big boneheaded mistakes by McNabb. As far as being the TO show, was that his fault, or the media? He was doing everything he could to come back and play becayuse he wanted to and because the team needed him. And make no mistake, they did need him. If you think they ever couldve beaten the Pats with Freddie Mitchell and Todd Pinkston as his 2 wideouts and with no Chad Lewis??? Never in a million years.

[TripleSkeet]

they've been terrible for years. back in the late 90's/early 2000's i'm sure they would be much higher. same thing goes for the bills, they have fans everywhere because everybody moves away from buffalo, but going 10 years without making the playoffs and people will lose interest quickly.

Yea but Oakland is a team like Dallas, that has fans buying merchandise regardless of if they are fans or not. Just because they dig the logo.

[PapaBear]

Pretty much backs up a lot said in this thread.
It answers my question about the Giants, and Eagles. #3 & #7 respectively.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The only thing that surprises me on that list is Oakland. I thought theyd be much higher.

I'm actually surprised the Cardinals are above the Jets and Fins on that list. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

[weekapaugjz]

Yea but Oakland is a team like Dallas, that has fans buying merchandise regardless of if they are fans or not. Just because they dig the logo.

i would have bought this argument 15 years ago with dr. dre, nwa, etc., but now? not so much. a long stretch of losing seasons drops a teams popularity very quickly.

and comparing oakland and dallas fanbase? insane.

[spoon]

I'm actually surprised the Cardinals are above the Jets and Fins on that list. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Well let's be fair, they have had two back to back exciting seasons coming into this year's mess. One in which they made the super bowl and had one hell of a dynamic offense. In truth it just shows how much people latch on in towns when a team gets hot and the bandwagon factor.

[weekapaugjz]

I'm actually surprised the Cardinals are above the Jets and Fins on that list. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

it's because popularity in the NFL is directly related to winning outside a handful of teams (dallas/steelers). since the 2007 season here are the records for the teams:

arizona: 27-21 (plus a superbowl appearance)
new york: 22-26
miami: 19-29

you look at the top ten at that list and all those teams are perennial playoff teams, teams that win are popular, teams that lose aren't.

[spoon]

One thing that is for sure, Buffalo seems to find a new way to lose every week.

Come on Buf, finish a game for once!

[weekapaugjz]

One thing that is for sure, Buffalo seems to find a new way to lose every week.

Come on Buf, finish a game for once!

it's fucking horrendous. i skipped out on this past weeks game due to moving. i think moving is about as enjoyable as watching the bills this season :wallbash:

[Justice4all]

psst.. you may not know this... BUT ANOTHER FUCKING TEAM PLAYS IN THE SAME BUILDING THE JETS OWN HALF OF... HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Actually, it's the other way around. The Jets put less then half for the new stadium then the Giants did.
I know the Giants fans also had to pay more for PSL's.

[Justice4all]

\
I see more Miami jerseys in NJ then I see Jets jerseys. There is a fucking Miami Dolphins sports bar in NJ on Route 10 right down the street from the Jets corporate offices/training facility! lol Miami Mikes and its huge.

Dont hate on the phins because even when they are shit they have more fans then the jets. Now I understand that Miami hasnt been shit as often or as long as the Jets but some on!

You search hard enough you will find a "team friendly" bar anywhere in a 90 min drive from you. My brother lives in NC and he knows two to three different bars that are Giants friendly.

I know someone who goes to see Philly games in Newark NJ because the owner is a Philly fan there. It's everywhere.

[Justice4all]

Look at Miami. They havent won a super bowl since January 1974. Miami has been to the super bowl 5 times yet we love and respect Marino who did similar things as Mcnabb. He brought Miami to the AFC title a couple of times and only 1 Super Bowl. Now us fans love the guy and our expectations should be higher then the shitty eagles and their fans. Miami is the winningest franchise in the history of the NFL. We have more of a reason to expect our team to make it to the super bowl. Yet we know and understand it cant always happen. So we are pissed we havent won 1 since back in the day but we love our great players who have done everything they could to try to get us back.

The idiot eagles fans go after their great star qb because he alone couldnt get them over the hump. Instead of treating him with respect they bitch. Like I said before be happy you had a chance every year. Not everyone is going to be able to win but if you have a chance you never know. Football and baseball 1 player cant win it all. The NBA is the only sport where a championship ring validates your greatness because its the only sport where 1 player can be the difference.



yes BUT Marino broke so many QB records and put up such monster numbers how could you NOT either love or hate the guy? He was one of the main faces of the NFL for a long time.

[Snacks]

NFL Team Popularity Index by WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703453804575479961782758620.html)

Interesting results here. Pretty much backs up a lot said in this thread.

We're number #13! We're number #13!

Funny as hell that the Jets and Phins are literally neck and neck.

The only thing that surprises me on that list is Oakland. I thought theyd be much higher.

I'm actually surprised the Cardinals are above the Jets and Fins on that list. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I disagree with that list as would many people that know anything about football. If you go by cbssports website they have something like 1,000,000 million members and you can become a fan of teams in every sport. not saying everyone checks their fav team but the list goes something like Dallas, Pitts, Bears, Packers, Patriots, Miami, etc.

I go by what I see in parts of the country that isnt that teams home. I see tons of Miami, Dallas, Pitts jerseys in NJ, NY vegas etc. I couldnt believe how many Miami jerseys I saw in Cali when I visited during the NFL seasons of past. I think these lists bo more by apparel sales and current teams doing well more then by a teams actual fan base.

But that just me.

[TripleSkeet]

I disagree with that list as would many people that know anything about football. If you go by cbssports website they have something like 1,000,000 million members and you can become a fan of teams in every sport. not saying everyone checks their fav team but the list goes something like Dallas, Pitts, Bears, Packers, Patriots, Miami, etc.

I go by what I see in parts of the country that isnt that teams home. I see tons of Miami, Dallas, Pitts jerseys in NJ, NY vegas etc. I couldnt believe how many Miami jerseys I saw in Cali when I visited during the NFL seasons of past. I think these lists bo more by apparel sales and current teams doing well more then by a teams actual fan base.

But that just me.

In all honesty, Ive lived in Philly for 35 years and I can count on one hand the amount of Dolphins fans Ive met in that time.

[TripleSkeet]

i would have bought this argument 15 years ago with dr. dre, nwa, etc., but now? not so much. a long stretch of losing seasons drops a teams popularity very quickly.

and comparing oakland and dallas fanbase? insane.

I wasnt comparing their fanbase. They are 2 teams, Like the Yankees, that kids will buy and wear their merchandise, regardless of if they even watch the team. You know how many people I know that wear a Yankees hat because it "matches their outfit"? They couldnt name 4 people on the team. I dont consider that really part of the "fanbase".

But I guess youre right,. finishing in the basement for 8 years running can really drop their popularity.

[Earlshog]

As the Randy Moss sweepstakes (mercifully) come to a close, reports have been coming in left and right as to what teams put a claim in for him (check our full breakdown of the NFL waiver wire order here).

Don Banks of Sports Illustrated reports via a league source that the Tennessee Titans have entered a claim for the former Viking.

Tennessee is one team that really makes sense for Moss -- they're a contender and Kenny Britt's hamstring injury trainwrecked (the extent of which is still unknown) gives them a clear need for a deep threat.

Additionally, Jeff Fisher is a type of no-nonsense coach that could keep Moss in line, at least in theory.

In other news, the Chiefs' Todd Haley said they are not interested, and Pete Carroll stated that the Seahawks did not put a claim in for Moss.

The Titans are 23rd on the NFL waiver order, and would need several teams (most notably the Rams) to pass on Moss in order to obtain his services.

[Snacks]

yeah lets see fisher control him when shitbag young cant get him the ball. this will be bad for all, just watch.

[TripleSkeet]

Buffalo took Merriman also.

[Tenbatsuzen]

it's because popularity in the NFL is directly related to winning outside a handful of teams (dallas/steelers). since the 2007 season here are the records for the teams:

arizona: 27-21 (plus a superbowl appearance)
new york: 22-26
miami: 19-29

you look at the top ten at that list and all those teams are perennial playoff teams, teams that win are popular, teams that lose aren't.

Here's the thing though: Cards had a hard time selling out a home playoff game in 2009. It wasn't sold out until like 3-4 days before the game.

[JimBeam]

I've never been a big fan of Moss and I know his personality sucks and what he said about the food the other day was childish but why are they making this guy out to be the worst guy in Minnesota ?

Sure he was a primidonna in only the 4 weeks there and maybe he spoke out against the coach but didn't Favre do the same shit, to a point, last year ? Wasn't he outright ignoring the coach and his play calling ?

Hasn't that loser destroyed that team regardless of his numbers last year ?

I heard on The Herd this morning how Favre was ashamed of what Moss said about the food and that he'd apparently never treat the " little guy " badly.

I guess his wife's not considered a " little man " because he sure didn't seem to give a crap about her.

What I hate more about Favre is how all these supposed NFL insiders continue to kiss his ass despite him not doing anything of note.

The likes of Merril Hoge, Chris Mortensen, etc ... can go f themselves.

[TheGameHHH]

I've never been a big fan of Moss and I know his personality sucks and what he said about the food the other day was childish but why are they making this guy out to be the worst guy in Minnesota ?

Sure he was a primidonna in only the 4 weeks there and maybe he spoke out against the coach but didn't Favre do the same shit, to a point, last year ? Wasn't he outright ignoring the coach and his play calling ?

Hasn't that loser destroyed that team regardless of his numbers last year ?

I heard on The Herd this morning how Favre was ashamed of what Moss said about the food and that he'd apparently never treat the " little guy " badly.

I guess his wife's not considered a " little man " because he sure didn't seem to give a crap about her.

What I hate more about Favre is how all these supposed NFL insiders continue to kiss his ass despite him not doing anything of note.

The likes of Merril Hoge, Chris Mortensen, etc ... can go f themselves.

I agree with this to a certain extent, except I would place blame on Childress too. You're going to go out and say you only want good people on your team, so the guy that bitches about the food is bad but the guy that cheats on his wife (or just sends cock pics to other chicks that arent his wife) is good? If you want to make an example, you should have set it with Favre, not Moss. And if Randy really was that big of a douche, he would have tried to make this about race because it certainly can be construed that the white guy can do set a bad example and be fine, but the black guy does the same thing and gets cut.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Childress' press conference today where he wasn't going to talk about Randy was just douchechilling. That said, the website for the restaurant that Randy was trashing features "food for funerals" right on the front page.

http://www.tinuccis.com/

[Barnaby Jones]

Could the elections possibly push the Vikings to Cali?!?!?

They're having trouble getting the money for a new stadium up there, and there's a good chance that any state money going to it will be slashed as part of the "tsunami!" Having coaches and a shitty team (look how old they are!) could cause havoc! The Vikings may be bound for the Best Coast!!!!

[weekapaugjz]

Could the elections possibly push the Vikings to Cali?!?!?

They're having trouble getting the money for a new stadium up there, and there's a good chance that any state money going to it will be slashed as part of the "tsunami!" Having coaches and a shitty team (look how old they are!) could cause havoc! The Vikings may be bound for the Best Coast!!!!

hopefully they get scooped up by SoCal before the bills...

[spoon]

In all honesty, Ive lived in Philly for 35 years and I can count on one hand the amount of Dolphins fans Ive met in that time.

I have to agree, I know one Dolphin fan, Snacks. That includes both in PA and now NJ. I have to agree with Snacks. I do however see plenty of Chicago, GB, Dallas and Oakland. Of course there are others I see somewhat less, but I can't even recall ever seeing Miami shit sorry Snacks.

[TheGameHHH]

yeah lets see fisher control him when shitbag young cant get him the ball. this will be bad for all, just watch.

that was my first thought when mentally digesting this news today, can vince young even throw a decent deep ball?

[Justice4all]

As the Randy Moss sweepstakes (mercifully) come to a close, reports have been coming in left and right as to what teams put a claim in for him (check our full breakdown of the NFL waiver wire order here).

Don Banks of Sports Illustrated reports via a league source that the Tennessee Titans have entered a claim for the former Viking.

Tennessee is one team that really makes sense for Moss -- they're a contender and Kenny Britt's hamstring injury trainwrecked (the extent of which is still unknown) gives them a clear need for a deep threat.

Additionally, Jeff Fisher is a type of no-nonsense coach that could keep Moss in line, at least in theory.

In other news, the Chiefs' Todd Haley said they are not interested, and Pete Carroll stated that the Seahawks did not put a claim in for Moss.

The Titans are 23rd on the NFL waiver order, and would need several teams (most notably the Rams) to pass on Moss in order to obtain his services.

How much of a douche is Moss if 23 other teams pass on him before he gets picked up?
I can't wait to see how Moss fits in with Fisher and his plans. This semi-surprised me. Tenn. is one of the teams that looks like it DOESN'T need Moss.

This guy better get his act together fast

I agree with this to a certain extent, except I would place blame on Childress too. You're going to go out and say you only want good people on your team, so the guy that bitches about the food is bad but the guy that cheats on his wife (or just sends cock pics to other chicks that arent his wife) is good? If you want to make an example, you should have set it with Favre, not Moss. And if Randy really was that big of a douche, he would have tried to make this about race because it certainly can be construed that the white guy can do set a bad example and be fine, but the black guy does the same thing and gets cut.

White people are so scared.....

Really though...the very first mistake was going back to get Favre. His legacy will now be the QB who went out with a wimper. He had not one but TWO chances to go out in an NFC loss...something many players, Romo right now included, would kill for a chance to retire after a big game (win or lose), and he will most likely end it as one of the shittiest QB's of the season. Childress put way too much stock in Bret and now he's paying the price. He pulled the Steinbrenner of old maneuver...win NOW, worry about tomorrow later. And it bit him in the ass...just like it did the Boss in the 80's

[Justice4all]

that was my first thought when mentally digesting this news today, can vince young even throw a decent deep ball?

I think Collins is the better of those two QBs. He's proven to be a winner with that team and he stepped up big time both times Young was hurt or pulled from the game. Stick with Kerry and they will go further. IMHO

[Justice4all]

I have to agree, I know one Dolphin fan, Snacks. That includes both in PA and now NJ. I have to agree with Snacks. I do however see plenty of Chicago, GB, Dallas and Oakland. Of course there are others I see somewhat less, but I can't even recall ever seeing Miami shit sorry Snacks.

I know two...Snacks and this other guy who lives down here. That's it.
maybe they can build their own fan bar:thumbup:

[spoon]

How much of a douche is Moss if 23 other teams pass on him before he gets picked up?
I can't wait to see how Moss fits in with Fisher and his plans. This semi-surprised me. Tenn. is one of the teams that looks like it DOESN'T need Moss.

This guy better get his act together fast



White people are so scared.....

Really though...the very first mistake was going back to get Favre. His legacy will now be the QB who went out with a wimper. He had not one but TWO chances to go out in an NFC loss...something many players, Romo right now included, would kill for a chance to retire after a big game (win or lose), and he will most likely end it as one of the shittiest QB's of the season. Childress put way too much stock in Bret and now he's paying the price. He pulled the Steinbrenner of old maneuver...win NOW, worry about tomorrow later. And it bit him in the ass...just like it did the Boss in the 80's

How can you say Moss or a WR isn't needed in Tenn? Brit is out for a while and Washington is average at best. Also, if there is one thing Young can do, it's put up the deep ball and that's Moss's thing. So the combination on dumps to Johnson and his running game with Moss opening things up underneath for it seems pretty good to me. Fisher won't take any bullshit either, so Moss can and probably will cry as he always does, but Jeff won't play those games just as Bill didn't.

Finally, sure Collins can spot start and fill in like a good vet backup normally can. However, I guess you don't remember just HOW AWFUL he was as the starter last year. So bad he lost the job to Young who then ran off a great streak of wins that almost got them into the playoffs after something like a 0-7 start. Young isn't top 10 in the NFL by a long shot, but Fisher knows that and in my mind he's a superb coach in this league. He'll mold the offense to his abilities and dumb down the offense for Young.

[spoon]

I agree with this to a certain extent, except I would place blame on Childress too. You're going to go out and say you only want good people on your team, so the guy that bitches about the food is bad but the guy that cheats on his wife (or just sends cock pics to other chicks that arent his wife) is good? If you want to make an example, you should have set it with Favre, not Moss. And if Randy really was that big of a douche, he would have tried to make this about race because it certainly can be construed that the white guy can do set a bad example and be fine, but the black guy does the same thing and gets cut.

Sooooo, bc Moss didn't claim racism he's not a douche. Ha! That's so fucking stupid and it's clearly been established since day one in college that Moss is a lazy, whiny fuckwad with TONS of talent.

[Justice4all]

How can you say Moss or a WR isn't needed in Tenn? Brit is out for a while and Washington is average at best. Also, if there is one thing Young can do, it's put up the deep ball and that's Moss's thing. So the combination on dumps to Johnson and his running game with Moss opening things up underneath for it seems pretty good to me. Fisher won't take any bullshit either, so Moss can and probably will cry as he always does, but Jeff won't play those games just as Bill didn't.

Finally, sure Collins can spot start and fill in like a good vet backup normally can. However, I guess you don't remember just HOW AWFUL he was as the starter last year. So bad he lost the job to Young who then ran off a great streak of wins that almost got them into the playoffs after something like a 0-7 start. Young isn't top 10 in the NFL by a long shot, but Fisher knows that and in my mind he's a superb coach in this league. He'll mold the offense to his abilities and dumb down the offense for Young.


I am not saying Collins is the be all and end all of QBs but I think he's better then Young. If you have to 'dumb down' your offense for your QB you need a new QB.

And I should be more specific. Tenn. is winning without Moss. I just saw so many other teams that need Moss way more then the Titans would have. Again I could be wrong, it's just what I see and think.

[TheGameHHH]

Sooooo, bc Moss didn't claim racism he's not a douche. Ha! That's so fucking stupid and it's clearly been established since day one in college that Moss is a lazy, whiny fuckwad with TONS of talent.

i never said he wasn't a douche, i said if he really was that big of a douche. theres a difference.

[spoon]

I am not saying Collins is the be all and end all of QBs but I think he's better then Young. If you have to 'dumb down' your offense for your QB you need a new QB.

And I should be more specific. Tenn. is winning without Moss. I just saw so many other teams that need Moss way more then the Titans would have. Again I could be wrong, it's just what I see and think.

Fisher consistently has worked with his OC to simplify the offense for Young bc he's not the smartest guy on the planet but he does have some impressive athletic abilities. By limiting the playbook it doesn't necessarily make the team worse, it's just being molded to the abilities of the man behind center. When Collins comes in I'm sure some deeper pass plays and dangerous quick outs type plays that you need to fire in there come off the table as his arm isn't what it used to be. It's a simple sensible approach to the what each player brings to the table. It's clear, over the long haul Young is there best option and the current QB with any kind of future in Tenn. Fuck, Collins may be older than your fat ass Justice. :lol:

[Justice4all]

Fisher consistently has worked with his OC to simplify the offense for Young bc he's not the smartest guy on the planet but he does have some impressive athletic abilities. By limiting the playbook it doesn't necessarily make the team worse, it's just being molded to the abilities of the man behind center. When Collins comes in I'm sure some deeper pass plays and dangerous quick outs type plays that you need to fire in there come off the table as his arm isn't what it used to be. It's a simple sensible approach to the what each player brings to the table. It's clear, over the long haul Young is there best option and the current QB with any kind of future in Tenn. Fuck, Collins may be older than your fat ass Justice. :lol:

I doubt it. Not many people are!
And what are you staring at my ass for? Next thing you know you'll be telling me you watch DWTS :blink:

[spoon]

i never said he wasn't a douche, i said if he really was that big of a douche. theres a difference.

Yah, cute. That post was just really idiotic in nature to me bc it obviously has nothing to do with race and he's not a better person for not taking that route when it wasn't true. If he did, his fucking value would plummet even further as he'd be even more risky and he IS looking for a new contract next year. I find it hilarious he's now played on three teams in about a month. I'm sure most teams have him currently ranked below "that big of a douche" like you obviously do. I don't even know what the fuck your difference factors are for your statement but it's pretty retarded.

[spoon]

I doubt it. Not many people are!
And what are you staring at my ass for? Next thing you know you'll be telling me you watch DWTS :blink:

it's a statement stupid

I'm sure you've been called a fat ass plenty in the past, stop playing dumb lardo!

[TripleSkeet]

I know two...Snacks and this other guy who lives down here. That's it.
maybe they can build their own fan bar:thumbup:

I know 2 not counting Snacks. One of which owns a bar. Its not a Miami bar but Im sure hell put a Dolphins game on if its on tv that day. lol

The ones I see most besides the Eagles are Cowboys, Steelers, Giants and Raiders.

[Justice4all]

it's a statement made by the stupid

I'm sure you've been called a fat ass plenty in the past, stop playing dumb lardo!

Fixed it for ya. And I still say you watch DWTS now I know you look at my ass.
I can see you and Snoogans calling each other with your opinions on how you can't believe anyone was voted off the show.

Come on...it's ok to come out of the closet! I'm sure your people will embrace you!:clap:

[Justice4all]

I know 2 not counting Snacks. One of which owns a bar. Its not a Miami bar but Im sure hell put a Dolphins game on if its on tv that day. lol

The ones I see most besides the Eagles are Cowboys, Steelers, Giants and Raiders.

Steelers. In this area...if it's not the Eagles it's the Steelers. The last time I went to Champs bar to watch the game there were more Steeler fans then there even were Eagles fans at the bar. (most stayed home to watch the game I would have assumed)

[TripleSkeet]

Steelers. In this area...if it's not the Eagles it's the Steelers. The last time I went to Champs bar to watch the game there were more Steeler fans then there even were Eagles fans at the bar. (most stayed home to watch the game I would have assumed)

Champps on Delaware Ave.? Or the one on 70 in Marlton?

[spoon]

Fixed it for ya. And I still say you watch DWTS now I know you look at my ass.
I can see you and Snoogans calling each other with your opinions on how you can't believe anyone was voted off the show.

Come on...it's ok to come out of the closet! I'm sure your people will embrace you!:clap:

nope

I have no interest in shitty/mindless tv like the jersey shore, much less watch a show bc an idiot from said show is on another awful show of no interest. Why not just go to the fucking gay parade already? I'm sure Mikeyboy wouldn't mind the company.

[Justice4all]

Champps on Delaware Ave.? Or the one on 70 in Marlton?

The one right off the 73/70 Circle in Marlton.

[Justice4all]

. Why not just go to the fucking gay parade already? I'm sure Mikeyboy wouldn't mind the company.

I hear they've reserved that slot for you years ago. Congrats on being named Grand Marshal!
Besides, there's that little issue that I'm not gay. It would have gotten in the way of my man-whore days anyway!:laugh:


http://amygrindhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Christina-Hendricks-Retro-Lingerie-in-GQ-UK-5-500x659.jpg
I just love this kind of thing too much!

[spoon]

i think i'm going to puke now, thanks.

[Justice4all]

i think i'm going to puke now, thanks.

Cool! I made you puke. (please say it was me and NOT Christina Hendricks...I'd REALLY worry about you then)

[JimBeam]

Sooooo, bc Moss didn't claim racism he's not a douche. Ha! That's so fucking stupid and it's clearly been established since day one in college that Moss is a lazy, whiny fuckwad with TONS of talent.

Actually I heard both Chris Carter ( yes, taken w/ a huge grain of salt ) and Lou Holtz somewhat praising him this morning.

I understand the point TheGame was making and while I know there's no validity to the issue it is strange that all of the NLF insiders are willing to look past Favre's team destructing tendencies ( not showing up for camp until he wants to, insisiting on playing when he's hurt, etc ... ) and make Moss the guy who shit in the pool in Minnesota.

I heard that assbag Shlereth on the radio this morning, predictably, saying " I wouldn't touch Moss w/ a 10 foot pole if I was a GM. "

Well you're not a GM you loser. Stop acting like it was you that won Super Bowls and not Elway. Stop talking about your son because he's nothing and nobody cares.

He went on some rant how WRs don't really make a difference ( not his exact point ). To that he added Moss never won in Minnesota the first time, never won in Oakland and never won in New England. Yeah because those teams failures to win can be traced to Moss.

He also pointed out that Terrell Owens never won in Philly.

He's such a complete airbag that talks about his playing days like he was the greatest player ever and resents these guys because they don't care about his opinions that guys like Mike & Mike love.

[Earlshog]

Actually I heard both Chris Carter ( yes, taken w/ a huge grain of salt ) and Lou Holtz somewhat praising him this morning.

I understand the point TheGame was making and while I know there's no validity to the issue it is strange that all of the NLF insiders are willing to look past Favre's team destructing tendencies ( not showing up for camp until he wants to, insisiting on playing when he's hurt, etc ... ) and make Moss the guy who shit in the pool in Minnesota.

I heard that assbag Shlereth on the radio this morning, predictably, saying " I wouldn't touch Moss w/ a 10 foot pole if I was a GM. "

Well you're not a GM you loser. Stop acting like it was you that won Super Bowls and not Elway. Stop talking about your son because he's nothing and nobody cares.

He went on some rant how WRs don't really make a difference ( not his exact point ). To that he added Moss never won in Minnesota the first time, never won in Oakland and never won in New England. Yeah because those teams failures to win can be traced to Moss.

He also pointed out that Terrell Owens never won in Philly.

He's such a complete airbag that talks about his playing days like he was the greatest player ever and resents these guys because they don't care about his opinions that guys like Mike & Mike love.

Yeah I heard that, made no sense at all... He was saying how adding a WR doesn't = winning championships... How T.O. didn't win a championship in Philly or Moss did not win one in New England. If either of those two monkeys had any balls they would have said hey dickbag what about when the Packers added Andre Rison or I dunno look at WR who was playing across from Moss in that super bowl. Didn't he get run out of Pittsburg?

[JimBeam]

Not to mention that Brady had his single best offensive season when he had Moss.

I'm sure that was a coincidence.

[Earlshog]

Not to mention that Brady had his single best offensive season when he had Moss.

I'm sure that was a coincidence.

It was Moss's fault Gary Anderson missed that fieldgoal against the Falcons in the 99 Championship game....

[TripleSkeet]

Not to mention that Brady had his single best offensive season when he had Moss.

I'm sure that was a coincidence.

And McNabb had his best when he had TO.

[TripleSkeet]

The one right off the 73/70 Circle in Marlton.

LOL I work right down the street in Medford.

[Justice4all]

LOL I work right down the street in Medford.

Well then you're pretty close to me. I live about a mile from that Champs.

[spoon]

Cool! I made you puke. (please say it was me and NOT Christina Hendricks...I'd REALLY worry about you then)

both, her fugly face and pale sickly skin is enough to induce nausea at least

why not just fuck a tube of elmer's glue?

i guess it's obvious, red heads are NOT my thing usually.

[Justice4all]

i guess it's obvious, red heads are NOT my thing usually.

ya don't say!

The line of men who disagree with you forms to the left and goes around the state. With me in the front.
She is smoldering.
But again...as you said...it's obvious. I just disagree with you 110% (snacks going to go after me for that % amount now?):tongue:

[spoon]

Actually I heard both Chris Carter ( yes, taken w/ a huge grain of salt ) and Lou Holtz somewhat praising him this morning.

I understand the point TheGame was making and while I know there's no validity to the issue it is strange that all of the NLF insiders are willing to look past Favre's team destructing tendencies ( not showing up for camp until he wants to, insisiting on playing when he's hurt, etc ... ) and make Moss the guy who shit in the pool in Minnesota.

I heard that assbag Shlereth on the radio this morning, predictably, saying " I wouldn't touch Moss w/ a 10 foot pole if I was a GM. "

Well you're not a GM you loser. Stop acting like it was you that won Super Bowls and not Elway. Stop talking about your son because he's nothing and nobody cares.

He went on some rant how WRs don't really make a difference ( not his exact point ). To that he added Moss never won in Minnesota the first time, never won in Oakland and never won in New England. Yeah because those teams failures to win can be traced to Moss.

He also pointed out that Terrell Owens never won in Philly.

He's such a complete airbag that talks about his playing days like he was the greatest player ever and resents these guys because they don't care about his opinions that guys like Mike & Mike love.

You see, there is a HUGE difference in a team still being willing to sign Favre late versus another guy pretty much not playing out his contract, running routes and being a complete bitch. I'm no Favre fan in the least, but to say what you did doesn't add up. The Vikings and Jets signed and played him through the injuries so far bc what they have behind him is worse. Moss and both TO have had great statistical seasons sure, but the fact remains neither do have a single title, and Brady among others had PLENTY of success without them. Also, if Favre was so destructive to a team's chemistry why would so many players fucking fly to his house in an effort to get him back for one more year? There isn't much hate for Favre amongst teammates, but there seemingly is plenty to go around for Minny's coach of late.

[TheGameHHH]

You see, there is a HUGE difference in a team still being willing to sign Favre late versus another guy pretty much not playing out his contract, running routes and being a complete bitch. I'm no Favre fan in the least, but to say what you did doesn't add up. The Vikings and Jets signed and played him through the injuries so far bc what they have behind him is worse. Moss and both TO have had great statistical seasons sure, but the fact remains neither do have a single title, and Brady among others had PLENTY of success without them. Also, if Favre was so destructive to a team's chemistry why would so many players fucking fly to his house in an effort to get him back for one more year? There isn't much hate for Favre amongst teammates, but there seemingly is plenty to go around for Minny's coach of late.

thats pretty obvious, 'dude, we got to the nfc title game with you last year. our other option this year is Tavarius Jackson, please come back.'

[spoon]

and?

[spoon]

bc I thought Moss was the reason NE got to 17-0 and Favre is just as bad if not worse?

sorry, Moss is a cancer patient :wink:

[spoon]

just not on his neck

[Snacks]

ya don't say!

The line of men who disagree with you forms to the left and goes around the state. With me in the front.
She is smoldering.
But again...as you said...it's obvious. I just disagree with you 110% (snacks going to go after me for that % amount now?):tongue:

No I will go after you because your taste in women is terrible. I agree with spoon. I find her very sexy on Mad Men but its more her voice and how she portrays her character. Every other time I have seen her on tv or in pictures I think she is a fat, pale, hump backed cow!

[spoon]

well we do know Tom will pretty much fuck anything

on his normal charts, this one is way better than his normal beefy grass eating milfs he found on the hunt

[TripleSkeet]

thats pretty obvious, 'dude, we got to the nfc title game with you last year. our other option this year is Tavarius Jackson, please come back.'

Exactly. If Minnesota couldve gotten McNabb this year Favres dumb ass would still be fly fishing waiting for a phone call. Favre at his worst is still 10 times better then Jackson.

[JimBeam]

There isn't much hate for Favre amongst teammates

But everything I heard this week about Moss said that his teammates actually like him.

Because some tool kicker like Ryan Longwell is willing to hold Favre's nutbag we're supposed to believe that everybody in that locker room loves his shit ?

There's no way even 80% of the players care for him. Sure they may realize that Jackson sucks but to imply that he's beloved is crazy.

You think when he throws an ill timed pass and it gets picked off that the team is like " Well that's great but I'm sure Jackson would've thrown a worse INT. " ?

I'm no Moss apologist by any means and I did think him not going for passes was ridiculous and unprofessional but I still believe Favre is the bigger douche.

[Snacks]

they are both douches but Moss is a punk, pussy who tries to act like hes tough. I would be money that this 150 lbs pussy has never been in a fight and would get his ass beat down. the only reason he gets away with acting the way he does without someone beating his ass is his money and his skill (when he plays) at his position. Favre has never been a bad guy or bad teammate. The biggest knock on favre has been the last 3 years when he couldnt make a decision on retiring or playing. even though I dont like how he has handled the way he has done this the past 3 off seasons I dont blame a great athlete who is having a hard time walking away from a sport he has played since he was 5. Not to mention the money, losing part of who you are and not knowing what you will you next or have to offer.

I would take Favre and his hick-self any day over the hood braided, hood rat, ghetto punk Moss!

[Freitag]

Just found out Gus Johnson is calling NYJ-DET on Sunday. Sooooooo excited

[TheGameHHH]

they are both douches but Moss is a punk, pussy who tries to act like hes tough. I would be money that this 150 lbs pussy has never been in a fight and would get his ass beat down. the only reason he gets away with acting the way he does without someone beating his ass is his money and his skill (when he plays) at his position. Favre has never been a bad guy or bad teammate. The biggest knock on favre has been the last 3 years when he couldnt make a decision on retiring or playing. even though I dont like how he has handled the way he has done this the past 3 off seasons I dont blame a great athlete who is having a hard time walking away from a sport he has played since he was 5. Not to mention the money, losing part of who you are and not knowing what you will you next or have to offer.

I would take Favre and his hick-self any day over the hood braided, hood rat, ghetto punk Moss!

really? im pretty sure cheating on his wife and holding several franchises hostage during the offseason constitutes being a bad guy and teammate.

[Snacks]

really? im pretty sure cheating on his wife and holding several franchises hostage during the offseason constitutes being a bad guy and teammate.

thats between him and his wife and no one knows for sure if he did cheat. lets say he did, everyone who cheats is a bad person? then 99% of society are all bad because almost everyone has cheated on a wife, finance or girlfriend at one time. so screw everything else someone did lets make everyone who has ever cheated into being the devil and their lives are disgraces. :clap:

[TheGameHHH]

thats between him and his wife and no one knows for sure if he did cheat. lets say he did, everyone who cheats is a bad person? then 99% of society are all bad because almost everyone has cheated on a wife, finance or girlfriend at one time. so screw everything else someone did lets make everyone who has ever cheated into being the devil and their lives are disgraces. :clap:

clearly a rational and well thought out response, even with actual accurate statistics to back your argument up

[Snacks]

clearly a rational and well thought out response, even with actual accurate statistics to back your argument up

exactly, thanks!

[TripleSkeet]

clearly a rational and well thought out response, even with actual accurate statistics to back your argument up

I think when you throw in boyfriends/girlfriends that stat is almost dead on. :thumbup:

[JimBeam]

I would be money that this 150 lbs pussy has never been in a fight and would get his ass beat down.

Didn't his beating the ass of some kid in HS cost him the scholarship to Notre Dame ?

... thats between him and his wife ...

But can't we as a civilized society agree that just because something happens that doesn't mean it's acceptable ? I'd consider breaking somebody's trust, even if I didn't know the person, a personal flaw.

Women get slapped around by their husbands all the time and make the mistake of taking them back so does that mean the guy's not a scumbag ?

[Snacks]

Didn't his beating the ass of some kid in HS cost him the scholarship to Notre Dame ?



But can't we as a civilized society agree that just because something happens that doesn't mean it's acceptable ? I'd consider breaking somebody's trust, even if I didn't know the person, a personal flaw.

Women get slapped around by their husbands all the time and make the mistake of taking them back so does that mean the guy's not a scumbag ?

no and women cheat on their husbands too. not everyone beats their spouse, I would bet most people in their lives have cheated. So no its not the same thing and no a cheating spouse doesnt mean they are bad. you never know why someone cheats. what if he cheated because his wife beats him? we dont know why someone cheats but cheating and beating are 2 very different things. violence/sex, yeah one is a scumbag thing the other is a normal thing. you stand on your soap box and choose who and what is worse.

[spoon]

But everything I heard this week about Moss said that his teammates actually like him.

Because some tool kicker like Ryan Longwell is willing to hold Favre's nutbag we're supposed to believe that everybody in that locker room loves his shit ?

There's no way even 80% of the players care for him. Sure they may realize that Jackson sucks but to imply that he's beloved is crazy.

You think when he throws an ill timed pass and it gets picked off that the team is like " Well that's great but I'm sure Jackson would've thrown a worse INT. " ?

I'm no Moss apologist by any means and I did think him not going for passes was ridiculous and unprofessional but I still believe Favre is the bigger douche.

So I say there isn't much hate out there for Favre amongst his teammates, so much that some actually held their own team hostage and made a flight to his home to get him back. You give me shit for that vague call and follow it up stating "there is no way even 80% of the players care for him?!" That's funny shit. And I'm not even saying Moss is hated on extreme levels either, but his efforts are by plenty.

One thing I'd like to make clear, he's well within his right to take longer to come back and a LOT of aging star players of the past do this now. It's the team waiting on him and those that want that potential upgrade like Minny and NY in the past that make that call. They just as easily could have gone the route of GB with Rodgers if they so chose. Sorry, that's just not on him.

If you could sit out of the crazy tough camp workouts and STILL come back to a double digit million dollar contract you wouldn't do it? Hmmm, play a game for millions and start almost in week one bc they trust I'll still be better at 40 than the other option or go home for good? You blame him on that?

[epo]

really? im pretty sure cheating on his wife and holding several franchises hostage during the offseason constitutes being a bad guy and teammate.

Even Hitler seems to have a problem with Favre these days....

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[JimBeam]

I could understand that he doesn't wanna give it up but that also means he's a selfish prick and doesn't care about the team, its players or his legacy.

Plenty of great players call it quits. Maybe he's such a soleless empty douche and knows he has nothing but football.

You know 2 or 3 years ago I was a staunch Favre supporter when people called him a compiler, said he played when he shouldn't have for the sake of that streak, etc ...

But no more, I've seen the light.

My pint earlier wasn't to compare what Favre did to actually beating his wife but to say just because people do things and are forgiven by their others that doesn't mean we still can't be tunred off by what they did. It's about integrity no matter who's doing the cheating/beating.

[Justice4all]

No I will go after you because your taste in women is terrible. I agree with spoon. I find her very sexy on Mad Men but its more her voice and how she portrays her character. Every other time I have seen her on tv or in pictures I think she is a fat, pale, hump backed cow!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You crack me the fuck up!

And you would not like her...because she actually looks like a woman and not an 18 year old HS student.
We all have our different likes. I believe you cousin agrees with me in regards to this chick.
It's a matter of OPINION. You can't tell me it's terrible just because you don't happen to agree with it.
Next thing you know, you'll be telling me my belief in God is terrible too!

[Justice4all]

well we do know Tom used to pretty much fuck anything

on his normal charts, this one is way better than his normal beefy grass eating milfs he found on the hunt

fixed it for ya.
Oh yea I know I was a man-whore for a while but that's in the past. (happily)
Even a reformed alcoholic is allowed a break here and there.

[Snacks]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You crack me the fuck up!

And you would not like her...because she actually looks like a woman and not an 18 year old HS student.
We all have our different likes. I believe you cousin agrees with me in regards to this chick.
It's a matter of OPINION. You can't tell me it's terrible just because you don't happen to agree with it.
Next thing you know, you'll be telling me my belief in God is terrible too!

yes you have terrible taste in every aspect.

[spoon]

If there is a God, he hates you both! :devil2:

[Justice4all]

yes you have terrible taste in every aspect.

Oh please...go fuck yourself! An opinion is never right or wrong. For you to say it is makes that and you an absolute joke.

But please...continue....I enjoy laughing at the things you;re saying.

Now back to football!

[Justice4all]

If there is a God, he hates you both! :devil2:

Ya know...............................(trying to find a way to argue that but having a hard time with the evidence):help:

[Justice4all]

So I say there isn't much hate out there for Favre amongst his teammates, so much that some actually held their own team hostage and made a flight to his home to get him back. You give me shit for that vague call and follow it up stating "there is no way even 80% of the players care for him?!" That's funny shit. And I'm not even saying Moss is hated on extreme levels either, but his efforts are by plenty.

One thing I'd like to make clear, he's well within his right to take longer to come back and a LOT of aging star players of the past do this now. It's the team waiting on him and those that want that potential upgrade like Minny and NY in the past that make that call. They just as easily could have gone the route of GB with Rodgers if they so chose. Sorry, that's just not on him.

If you could sit out of the crazy tough camp workouts and STILL come back to a double digit million dollar contract you wouldn't do it? Hmmm, play a game for millions and start almost in week one bc they trust I'll still be better at 40 than the other option or go home for good? You blame him on that?

No I wouldn't blame him for getting paid millions to play a game he's been doing for, what...18 years now? But what I DO blame him for is not realizing his limitations. Yes he may have been the best at one point but he is far far from where he used to be. He's not even showing the same potential that he had last YEAR.

Quarterback Rating Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Vince Young, QB TEN 122 72 59.0 998 8.18 71 9 2 10 103.1 143
2 Peyton Manning, QB IND 299 197 65.9 2184 7.30 73 15 2 7 101.4 312
3 Philip Rivers, QB SD 306 198 64.7 2649 8.66 59 15 7 21 98.9 331
4 David Garrard, QB JAC 149 101 67.8 1098 7.37 42 13 7 15 98.8 157
5 Tom Brady, QB NE 225 147 65.3 1602 7.12 65 12 4 12 96.6 229
6 Tony Romo, QB DAL 213 148 69.5 1605 7.54 69 11 7 7 94.9 268
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 316 195 61.7 2509 7.94 71 12 5 21 92.7 314
8 Drew Brees, QB NO 331 234 70.7 2334 7.05 80 16 11 13 92.6 292
9 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB BUF 176 105 59.7 1200 6.82 45 12 5 11 91.1 240
10 Matt Cassel, QB KC 179 105 58.7 1196 6.68 53 10 3 8 90.4 171

11 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 252 156 61.9 1714 6.80 46 12 5 13 89.6 245
12 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 235 149 63.4 1739 7.40 50 10 6 19 89.3 248
13 Seneca Wallace, QB CLE 100 63 63.0 693 6.93 65 4 2 6 88.5 139
14 Eli Manning, QB NYG 239 157 65.7 1785 7.47 54 14 11 12 88.3 255
15 Josh Freeman, QB TB 224 135 60.3 1533 6.84 53 8 3 14 87.1 219
16 Kevin Kolb, QB PHI 153 97 63.4 1035 6.77 83 6 4 10 85.3 207
17 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 269 165 61.3 2011 7.48 86 12 9 16 85.3 251
18 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 236 140 59.3 1651 7.00 58 10 6 10 84.2 236
19 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 181 111 61.3 1483 8.19 89 7 7 27 84.1 247
20 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 282 168 59.6 1855 6.58 78 12 7 10 83.0 265

21 Jason Campbell, QB OAK 138 78 56.5 1023 7.41 69 6 4 15 82.5 171
22 Chad Henne, QB MIA 243 154 63.4 1669 6.87 46 8 7 10 82.5 238
23 Shaun Hill, QB DET 208 127 61.1 1309 6.29 75 9 7 8 79.6 218
24 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 215 114 53.0 1356 6.31 67 9 4 11 78.8 194
25 Donovan McNabb, QB WSH 277 159 57.4 1971 7.12 62 7 8 22 76.0 246
26 Sam Bradford, QB STL 292 171 58.6 1674 5.73 49 11 8 17 75.9 209
27 Alex Smith, QB SF 242 143 59.1 1554 6.42 53 9 9 13 75.0 222
28 Matt Hasselbeck, QB SEA 236 135 57.2 1411 5.98 52 6 7 22 70.8 202
29 Brett Favre, QB MIN 211 126 59.7 1450 6.87 37 7 11 14 69.8 207
30 Derek Anderson, QB ARI 155 83 53.5 980 6.32 37 4 7 10 62.8 140

31 Matt Moore, QB CAR 137 76 55.5 844 6.16 39 5 10 12 55.7 169



Third from the bottom. At this point the other option might even be a better bet. Do you think Favre could do worse at this point?
And don't forget he has one of the best RB's in the game, which is supposed to help him.

It boils down to his precious ego IMHO. And yes, he made three teams hold their collective breath while he decided to 'unretire'. He went from team player to seflish prick.

oh yes...and Romo, whose team is worse then the Vikings...is in the top 6.

[spoon]

Look Tom, I'm not saying Favre is having even a decent year. Still, let's not act like injuries to him and his top wideout have nothing to do with the HUGE one year drop in this team's and his stats/record. In fact, one might argue that Favre's best statistical year WAS last year and it's surely one of his best. So yes, he's bad this year but it's not like they held out for this version, they held out for the guy who showed up just last year bc their options are pretty fucking thin behind him. If they didn't try for him the fan base would be soooo fucking pissed they never made a move on the free agents last year and or drafted the next in line. To be honest, Minny still hasn't addressed the issue looking toward the future. In the least they could have gone after decent backup out there as insurance like Volek or others. Vick or McNabb to Minny next year?

[Justice4all]

Look Tom, I'm not saying Favre is having even a decent year. Still, let's not act like injuries to him and his top wideout have nothing to do with the HUGE one year drop in this team's and his stats/record. In fact, one might argue that Favre's best statistical year WAS last year and it's surely one of his best. So yes, he's bad this year but it's not like they held out for this version, they held out for the guy who showed up just last year bc their options are pretty fucking thin behind him. If they didn't try for him the fan base would be soooo fucking pissed they never made a move on the free agents last year and or drafted the next in line. To be honest, Minny still hasn't addressed the issue looking toward the future. In the least they could have gone after decent backup out there as insurance like Volek or others. Vick or McNabb to Minny next year?

I think it will be Kolb in Minn. next year and Philly keeps Vick. But you're right about Minn. not looking to the future. Right now their future looks mighty bleak.

And yes the injuries are a big factor but this year Favre is getting knocked around worse then ever and can't bounce back like in the past. It just shows he doesn't have what it takes anymore. I know his age is the big reason but he still has some weapons. Besides he pretty much campaigned to get Moss on the team, he came (at the expense of a draft pick they might really have needed) and then Moss is gone 4 weeks later. I think Farve isn't any good for the team anymore. They should think about putting in the backup as a test to see what he's got if the Vikings lose one more game in the next 2 weeks.


and if he doesn't retire after the end of this year he is the biggest douche in the NFL. He's done.

[spoon]

I think it will be Kolb in Minn. next year and Philly keeps Vick. But you're right about Minn. not looking to the future. Right now their future looks mighty bleak.

And yes the injuries are a big factor but this year Favre is getting knocked around worse then ever and can't bounce back like in the past. It just shows he doesn't have what it takes anymore. I know his age is the big reason but he still has some weapons. Besides he pretty much campaigned to get Moss on the team, he came (at the expense of a draft pick they might really have needed) and then Moss is gone 4 weeks later. I think Farve isn't any good for the team anymore. They should think about putting in the backup as a test to see what he's got if the Vikings lose one more game in the next 2 weeks.


and if he doesn't retire after the end of this year he is the biggest douche in the NFL. He's done.

See, this much I don't get. If someone is willing to pay him a few million dollars to play from week 1 on why is he a douche for taking what the market will give? It's not like he's holding a team hostage or something. Hell, Jeter is the one that's pretty much trying to get paid out based on the past not current value bc he has the yank org by the balls. If they let him walk they'll never hear the end of it and he knows it very well.

[spoon]

If the Eagles move Kolb over letting Vick walk I'd be INCREDIBLY surprised to say the least. Time will tell and how both play to finish out the year, injuries and other factors can surely make the scenario change quite a bit. However, I don't see that happening at all.

[Snacks]

See, this much I don't get. If someone is willing to pay him a few million dollars to play from week 1 on why is he a douche for taking what the market will give? It's not like he's holding a team hostage or something. Hell, Jeter is the one that's pretty much trying to get paid out based on the past not current value bc he has the yank org by the balls. If they let him walk they'll never hear the end of it and he knows it very well.

jeter was already overpaid for the past as well. he is and was never worth 10 years $189 million. if anything that $189 million that he has already been paid was for the past/ his 1st 4 years in the majors. he won 1 title for that $189 million. He better watch, he needs the yanks way more then they need him. the other day they talk about this on the wfan and said the yanks should tell jeter to take a week and go to every team and see what you will get. they said there isnt 1 team that would pay a 36 year old short stop who is a liability at ss and ha never hit for power or rbis even $5 million a year. Jeter on any other team would be avg at best. He has always hit for avg but everything else he does is based on the all star team around him for his entire career.

Jeter should be very happy he was drafted by the yanks. He made about 2/3 more money then he would have ever made anywhere else. and 90% of his fame and success is only because he is a yankee and their fan base wanted this generations mantle, babe, donnie baseball etc.

[Justice4all]

See, this much I don't get. If someone is willing to pay him a few million dollars to play from week 1 on why is he a douche for taking what the market will give? It's not like he's holding a team hostage or something. Hell, Jeter is the one that's pretty much trying to get paid out based on the past not current value bc he has the yank org by the balls. If they let him walk they'll never hear the end of it and he knows it very well.


I'm not arguing about getting paid and wanting to get paid...but he can't PLAY anymore.

At least Jeter proves time and time again he can still step up when he needs to. He's not worth 20 million a year but he is one of the best players all around in the game.

and he is a Yankee Icon. One of the best ever. You don't insult the man with pennies when he is worths 100's.

It's the 'kings that would be assholes for even entertaining the idea of paying Favre millions again to play. And if Favre can't play he is an equally big asshole for taking the money.

[Justice4all]

If the Eagles move Kolb over letting Vick walk I'd be INCREDIBLY surprised to say the least. Time will tell and how both play to finish out the year, injuries and other factors can surely make the scenario change quite a bit. However, I don't see that happening at all.

I think the jury won't be out with the Philly QB situation until the end of the season unless one goes down with a season ending injury

[spoon]

I'm not arguing about getting paid and wanting to get paid...but he can't PLAY anymore.

At least Jeter proves time and time again he can still step up when he needs to. He's not worth 20 million a year but he is one of the best players all around in the game.

and he is a Yankee Icon. One of the best ever. You don't insult the man with pennies when he is worths 100's.

It's the 'kings that would be assholes for even entertaining the idea of paying him millions again to play. And if Favre can't play he is an equally big asshole for taking the money.

No way on Jeter being one of the best players all around in the game sorry...just no. Yankee icon, sure.

On the Favre thing, why is he an asshole for taking his market value or what some desperate team is willing to give him? I don't get that rationale at all. He's a long time successful qb in the league who people are willing to take a shot on. In the past, he's almost always paid out. Is Jamarcus Russell an asshole for taking Al Davis for millions bc he sucked? If someone offers him 10+ million to play another year in 2011 that isn't the part of the Favre equation that makes him an asshole.

[TripleSkeet]

I think it will be Kolb in Minn. next year and Philly keeps Vick. But you're right about Minn. not looking to the future. Right now their future looks mighty bleak.



Dont be surprised to see McNabb in Minnesota next year. He and Shanahan obviously arent seeing eye to eye, hes a free agent after this year and Brad Childress is his boy.

[JimBeam]

Look Tom, I'm not saying Favre is having even a decent year. Still, let's not act like injuries to him and his top wideout have nothing to do with the HUGE one year drop ...

As somebody stated his injuries are due to his age.

As far as Jeter goes, and it was also already mentioned, he hit the lottery when he was drafted by the Yankees. It's not as if Yankee fans will stop going to games if for some reason they didn't sign him. Sure they may be pissed but they'd get over it.

Same thing w/ the manager. The Yankees should have offered Girardi $1 million at most. He's the on that's getting the team of all stars w/ almost an unlimited payroll. If he couldn't handle it then good luck in FL ( oh wait that didn't work out ) and we'll see if the next guy can do what Torre/Girardi did.

[KnoxHarrington]

So who would have guessed going into the season that one of the most important games in Week 9 would be the Raiders/Chiefs game?

[KnoxHarrington]

Dont be surprised to see McNabb in Minnesota next year. He and Shanahan obviously arent seeing eye to eye, hes a free agent after this year and Brad Childress is his boy.

If the reports are to be believed, Zigi Wilf would have rather fired Chilly than release Moss, but couldn't because of contract issues that would cost him millions.

Chilly is sooooooo gone in Minnesota. This franchise is in total ruins. They'll be lucky to win 3 games next season.

[Justice4all]

Dont be surprised to see McNabb in Minnesota next year. He and Shanahan obviously arent seeing eye to eye, hes a free agent after this year and Brad Childress is his boy.

God point. But Washington will soon find out that the problem isn't the QB, it's the coach.
I am actually looking forward to watching the Giants go up against the Skins. It SHOULD be a good game.

But McNabb going to Minn. is another 'quick fix' on their QB problem. They would get rid of one aging QB to put in another one? Granted right now McNabb is better then Favre but they need to think long term right now.

[KnoxHarrington]

God point. But Washington will soon find out that the problem isn't the QB, it's the coach.
I am actually looking forward to watching the Giants go up against the Skins. It SHOULD be a good game.

But McNabb going to Minn. is another 'quick fix' on their QB problem. They would get rid of one aging QB to put in another one? Granted right now McNabb is better then Favre but they need to think long term right now.

The problem for the Vikings is that after the Favre debacle sputters to an ugly end this season, they really do need to tear that team apart and rebuild. But they're trying to get the cash for a new stadium, so they can't really afford to have a terrible season where they only get 2 or 3 wins, which might be a real possibility next year.

So, yeah, I can see them making a desperate move like getting McNabb.

At the time it happened, we were wondering what Andy Reid could have been thinking letting McNabb go to a division rival. It's starting to look now like maybe Reid knew McNabb is just done.

[epo]

God point. But Washington will soon find out that the problem isn't the QB, it's the coach.
I am actually looking forward to watching the Giants go up against the Skins. It SHOULD be a good game.

But McNabb going to Minn. is another 'quick fix' on their QB problem. They would get rid of one aging QB to put in another one? Granted right now McNabb is better then Favre but they need to think long term right now.

The problem with long-term for them is that this is Adrian Peterson's prime. They probably need to recycle another QB for the short-term and start the grooming process at the same time.

[TheGameHHH]

the browns are going to kick the shit out of the pats today

[KnoxHarrington]

the browns are going to kick the shit out of the pats today

I dunno, I think that lost fumble might have been the big momentum shifter.

[spoon]

As somebody stated his injuries are due to his age.

As far as Jeter goes, and it was also already mentioned, he hit the lottery when he was drafted by the Yankees. It's not as if Yankee fans will stop going to games if for some reason they didn't sign him. Sure they may be pissed but they'd get over it.

Same thing w/ the manager. The Yankees should have offered Girardi $1 million at most. He's the on that's getting the team of all stars w/ almost an unlimited payroll. If he couldn't handle it then good luck in FL ( oh wait that didn't work out ) and we'll see if the next guy can do what Torre/Girardi did.

Well let's be fair, Girardi was pretty darn effective with the Marlins. He simply didn't see eye to eye with the ownership/GM and judging by their choices I'd tend to agree with Joe.

[KnoxHarrington]

BWAHAHAHAHA nice special teams Vikes

[hanso]

Well let's be fair, Girardi was pretty darn effective with the Marlins. He simply didn't see eye to eye with the ownership/GM and judging by their choices I'd tend to agree with Joe.

Yeah his name ended in the wrong vowel.

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[hanso]

the browns are going to kick the shit out of the pats today

Hillis is a power house.

[spoon]

The problem with long-term for them is that this is Adrian Peterson's prime. They probably need to recycle another QB for the short-term and start the grooming process at the same time.

Exactly right, hence the reason I said it's probably Vick or McNabb for a few years while grooming someone from this years draft or off-season trade after this year.

I assume they'd rather Vick, and he'll be much cheaper than Favre this year. I'd say both will move in the end, but Oakland, SF and Zona will surely be in the QB market as well.

[spoon]

BWAHAHAHAHA nice special teams Vikes

They have NOTHING on SD!

[disneyspy]

the jets streak of not giving up an opening TD ends,to the lions,HAHAHAHAAHA

[spoon]

The Lions are a pretty fucking good offensive team and overall getting better each week. Surely a team worth watching on turkey day for the first time in YEARS! Unlike Dallas.

[disneyspy]

c'mon saanchez,get the ball to fuckin keller