2011-12 NFL Season

[underdog]

Dungy is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Caldwell! This rundown is cute and obviously a ploy to play up your love for Manning, especially since Brady is staring another Super Bowl in the face again with the worst D EVER to even get to the Conference Championship game. If he wins this it's HUGE!! Ad really does anyone really think Baltimore can stop them from at least getting there, which in it's own right is amazing. What would that be 5 fucking Super Bowls in his career and at least 3 rings, possibly 4! I like both as I've stated before, but Brady is just another level overall to me.

Didn't Indy have the 32nd ranked defense when they won it all? I believe they also set the record for most rushing yards allowed that year.

[spoon]

Didn't Indy have the 32nd ranked defense when they won it all? I believe they also set the record for most rushing yards allowed that year.

I'm pretty sure it was bad on the year, but not ALL-TIME as this New England D is!

the only one worse just got the boot (GB)...ALL-TIME in passing/overall yards!

[Kevin]

WHAT?! He loses in the playoffs often bc he sits in game 16?

HA!

I'm sorry Mr I'm always right, but its been proven that more often than not that the team that rests their guys come out flat.

Look at recently the teams that get hot and claw their way win.

Wrong twice in 2 days but in your mind nope.

I told you and epo that their D was awful but you defended them saying its not them its the offense scoring.

Then yesterday you say NO SHIT WE ALL KNEW THEY WERE BAD.


NOPE YOU DIDN'T.

Admit you're wrong sometimes, its good for the soul.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Eli > Peyton....

just sayin....
who would you want in the clutch ...

[Snoogans]

Eli > Peyton....

just sayin....
who would you want in the clutch ...

will you stop it. why cant we just enjoy the run without turning into jets fans?

[razorboy]

Eli > Peyton....

just sayin....
who would you want in the clutch ...

A third option.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm sorry Mr I'm always right, but its been proven that more often than not that the team that rests their guys come out flat.

Look at recently the teams that get hot and claw their way win.

Wrong twice in 2 days but in your mind nope.

I told you and epo that their D was awful but you defended them saying its not them its the offense scoring.

Then yesterday you say NO SHIT WE ALL KNEW THEY WERE BAD.


NOPE YOU DIDN'T.

Admit you're wrong sometimes, its good for the soul.

The year the Eagles finally made the Super Bowl was the first time Andy Reid rested his starters at the end of the season. Not just game 16, but Game 15 too. Just sayin.....

[Snoogans]

The year the Eagles finally made the Super Bowl was the first time Andy Reid rested his starters at the end of the season. Not just game 16, but Game 15 too. Just sayin.....

maybe thats why one of them got so tired he started puking on the field? he got outta shape in those weeks off

[Kevin]

The year the Eagles finally made the Super Bowl was the first time Andy Reid rested his starters at the end of the season. Not just game 16, but Game 15 too. Just sayin.....


How many years ago was that? 7?

The trend has been the team that keeps their foot on the gas have won. And many times the team with the buy and that rested guys stall.

[underdog]

will you stop it. why cant we just enjoy the run without turning into jets fans?

It's in his blood.

[ozzie]

This past weekend was the first time in a LONG time that I had no rooting or betting interest in any of the teams playing, nor any fantasy stuff going on.

I forgot just how enjoyable watching football could be.

[CountryBob]

This past weekend was the first time in a LONG time that I had no rooting or betting interest in any of the teams playing, nor any fantasy stuff going on.

I forgot just how enjoyable watching football could be.

I really enjoyed the San Fran game - tired of the Saints.

[Snacks]

had nothing to do with it, as Rodgers was the only guy to sit and was the only GB player to show up basically...hell, even their sure-handed fullback fumbled!

I disagree and seems many former players do too. Rodgers didnt have a good game either he overthrew guys, fumbled was int and looked out of sync. He had a lot to do with what happened yesterday as did the rest of the team and when you sit you lose something. You cant just turn it on again and that doesnt mean just the qb but the team. I watched NFL network, ESPN and listened to Boomer on B&C and every former player and coach that talked about this all said that maybe they should all learn from this and if you have a bye dont let your QB sit out the entire last game. They said it was also about preparation and players are used to a routine. Its not just the game and the offenses entire routine was fucked with when he barely practiced for week 17 and then had the bye. The only one who didnt agree with this was Marriuchi (sp?).

[Snacks]

Dungy is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Caldwell! This rundown is cute and obviously a ploy to play up your love for Manning, especially since Brady is staring another Super Bowl in the face again with the worst D EVER to even get to the Conference Championship game. If he wins this it's HUGE!! Ad really does anyone really think Baltimore can stop them from at least getting there, which in it's own right is amazing. What would that be 5 fucking Super Bowls in his career and at least 3 rings, possibly 4! I like both as I've stated before, but Brady is just another level overall to me.

No ploy at all. I have thought this for years about a lot of teams that did this it just so happens to have hurt Manning more and seems like I said before many players and caches agree and that has been discussed all night last night and for years. I guess you dont remember this talk even 2 years ago when Indy didnt go for the undefeated season and looked like shit in the playoffs? I guess you didnt hear this last night? Dont look too much into me saying it because its not about peyton its about the league in general and how this has happened before and actually former players are the ones bringing this up.

[Snacks]

well let's be completely honest here too, the falcon game was 10-2 and they SHOULD have kicked a FG to make it 10-5 LATE into the third. This DUMB coaching move to go on 4th resulted in a turnover on downs and quick 72 yard bomb to Nicks and 17-2 out of nowhere. That game was a LOT closer than it reads, and the Giants weren't exactly firing on a pretty shitty D overall.

Also, it seems EVERY team with a bye came out soft and off with the exception of New England. Both SF and Baltimore could have lost at home, and barring some huge turnovers they probably both would have. And we all know GB forgot how to catch the ball and the D somehow got worse with the time off.

My thought is that both Baltimore and SF will be MUCH better this game and both NY and NE will have a much tougher time against real defenses this time around as well.

seems you agree that the teams with the bye except NE came off soft? Now add to that you sat your QB the previous week giving him off over 3 weeks of playing time. So having off 2 weeks effected them and you dont think having an extra week on top of that effects it even more?

[Snacks]

What are you talking about? The kicker won those 3 rings for him. Brady had nothing to do with it!

He did and dont forget 3 of their 4 sb appearance were all defensive games as well. Even the one against the greatest show on turf and the one they lost to the nyg.

[Kevin]

It's in his blood.

Along with Bacon and a ton of other shit

[Snacks]

Didn't Indy have the 32nd ranked defense when they won it all? I believe they also set the record for most rushing yards allowed that year.

No they didnt no team ranked that low ever won a sb. I think the stat is something like no team ever ranked lower then 23rd which was the Indys defensive ranking that year.

Just to add to the argument about Bradys SB teams

2001 NE Def rank 6th
2003 NE Def rank 1st
2004 NE Def rank 2nd

So yes his def kept them in those games along with clutch fgs to win every single game with seconds left by the clutch-est kicker ever.

oh and heres your link if you need to see for yourself. scroll to the bottom for the actual rankings per sb.

http://www.thedailypigskin.com/super-bowl/defense-wins-championships

[Snacks]

I'm sorry Mr I'm always right, but its been proven that more often than not that the team that rests their guys come out flat.

Look at recently the teams that get hot and claw their way win.

Wrong twice in 2 days but in your mind nope.

I told you and epo that their D was awful but you defended them saying its not them its the offense scoring.

Then yesterday you say NO SHIT WE ALL KNEW THEY WERE BAD.


NOPE YOU DIDN'T.

Admit you're wrong sometimes, its good for the soul.

this is exactly what was discussed all night last night and today. You just said it better then me, thanks!

[ozzie]

I really enjoyed the San Fran game - tired of the Saints.

Ok, so I might have been quietly rooting against the Saints fans in that one, which made it a little sweeter.

Not the team so much... but just to put an end to some of the "who dat" shit for a few months.

[Kevin]

It's in his blood.

Along with Bacon and a ton of other shit

[ozzie]

Baltimore at New England - 3:00 PM (ET) - CBS

NY Giants at San Francisco - 6:30 PM (ET) - FOX


I know the championship games are both played on Sunday... but doesn't one of them usually start at noon? (1:00 ET)?

I just don't remember the second game starting this late before.

[Snacks]

another thing I find funny about def winning championships. in the entire history of the nfl the highest ranked def was the 1983 raiders, ranked 13th. That was the highest ranked def to ever win a SB ever until recently every single winner was a top 10 defensive team. As the rules changed 3 teams with bottom half def won.

Starting in 2006

Indy 23rd
NYG 17th
Pitt 1st
NO 20th

I dont know what GBs def was last year but when this list was made 23of the last 4 SB winner had bottom half defs. Amazing!

[CountryBob]

Along with Bacon and a ton of other shit

Now I want a BLT!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Baltimore at New England - 3:00 PM (ET) - CBS

NY Giants at San Francisco - 6:30 PM (ET) - FOX


I know the championship games are both played on Sunday... but doesn't one of them usually start at noon? (1:00 ET)?

I just don't remember the second game starting this late before.

No, they've been like that since the 90's. The Championship games are always played later.

[Snacks]

Baltimore at New England - 3:00 PM (ET) - CBS

NY Giants at San Francisco - 6:30 PM (ET) - FOX


I know the championship games are both played on Sunday... but doesn't one of them usually start at noon? (1:00 ET)?

I just don't remember the second game starting this late before.

not that i remember because they want the games to be at perfect times for both coasts. the 1pm sunday games usualy fuck with the west coast fans that sleep in or go to church because it 10am. if i ever move to cali i would miss ever early game.

[TripleSkeet]

He did and dont forget 3 of their 4 sb appearance were all defensive games as well. Even the one against the greatest show on turf and the one they lost to the nyg.

LMAO Im sorry, but its 2012 and youre still acting like Tom Brady is Trent Dilfer. Its hilarious.

[Snacks]

LMAO Im sorry, but its 2012 and youre still acting like Tom Brady is Trent Dilfer. Its hilarious.

back then he was. Not anymore but he also hasnt won dick since he has become a great qb and his defenses have gotten worse. Just sayin

Tom Brady has had 2 careers. The first half he was a better version of Trent Dilfer with ok #s and they got better. Then the 2nd half of his career he has become Peyton Manning and has had great #s with no championships. Odd isnt it.

[TripleSkeet]

back then he was. Not anymore but he also hasnt won dick since he has become a great qb and his defenses have gotten worse. Just sayin

Tom Brady has had 2 careers. The first half he was a better version of Trent Dilfer with ok #s and they got better. Then the 2nd half of his career he has become Peyton Manning and has had great #s with no championships. Odd isnt it.

Especially considering he had that 4th Super Bowl until his defense lost it for him.

[spoon]

I'm sorry Mr I'm always right, but its been proven that more often than not that the team that rests their guys come out flat.

Look at recently the teams that get hot and claw their way win.

Wrong twice in 2 days but in your mind nope.

I told you and epo that their D was awful but you defended them saying its not them its the offense scoring.

Then yesterday you say NO SHIT WE ALL KNEW THEY WERE BAD.


NOPE YOU DIDN'T.

Admit you're wrong sometimes, its good for the soul.

So you think I thought they were good?! You are a fool aren't you? There is an inherent difference between saying they aren't AS BAD as you were trying to say, versus what they were...especially with the injuries to some key players later. So yah, good point.

And show me where "its been proven that more often than not that the team that rests their guys come out flat". Not an op ed, proven statistical analysis that backs your bullshit point. Not to mention we aren't even talking about overall, we're talking Rodgers, the only guy who showed up remember? Of course you don't. You were too busy acting like a dirty Jet fan.

[spoon]

will you stop it. why cant we just enjoy the run without turning into jets fans?

Ha! Exactly what I just used to describe Kevin before seeing this!

[spoon]

How many years ago was that? 7?

The trend has been the team that keeps their foot on the gas have won. And many times the team with the buy and that rested guys stall.

TREND? You mean like the parity that makes almost all the teams close enough to be a coin flip every week and especially so in the playoffs? Or do you normally just make shit up?

[Snacks]

Especially considering he had that 4th Super Bowl until his defense lost it for him.

You mean the SB where the great Tom Brady who was the QB of the greatest offense ever couldnt score more then 14 points against the NYG? You mean that game? The one where they lost only giving up 17 points? Oh ok I got it. Didnt they avg like 40 points a game that season and didnt he throw for 50 tds that season. Wonder why he didnt score 40 that game and help out the def that won him 3 sb's? They kept it close for him he couldnt get it done!

[spoon]

I disagree and seems many former players do too. Rodgers didnt have a good game either he overthrew guys, fumbled was int and looked out of sync. He had a lot to do with what happened yesterday as did the rest of the team and when you sit you lose something. You cant just turn it on again and that doesnt mean just the qb but the team. I watched NFL network, ESPN and listened to Boomer on B&C and every former player and coach that talked about this all said that maybe they should all learn from this and if you have a bye dont let your QB sit out the entire last game. They said it was also about preparation and players are used to a routine. Its not just the game and the offenses entire routine was fucked with when he barely practiced for week 17 and then had the bye. The only one who didnt agree with this was Marriuchi (sp?).

Ant, he threw that pick on almost the very last play of the game down a LOT so are you going to really count that? Come on. The guy had ~ 10 HUGE drops and was pressured almost every time he dropped back and was sacked 4 times (?hurries/knock downs). The guy was the leading rusher too.

All the analysts are overreacting as per the norm bc the game didn't go GB's way. They were beat by a team not only on fire, but playing better over the last few games in my mind. I really don't put much weight in the fucking NFL channel and Boomer, much less Carton as they will just babble all day to fill air time. It's complete nonsense as Rodgers was NOT the reason they lost, it was the rest of the team. Argue if they might have benefitted from more play, but guess what, most of them DID play in week #17. Finley and Nelson surely did and actually CAUGHT the ball that week, not so much yesterday.

[TripleSkeet]

No they didnt no team ranked that low ever won a sb. I think the stat is something like no team ever ranked lower then 23rd which was the Indys defensive ranking that year.

Just to add to the argument about Bradys SB teams

2001 NE Def rank 6th
2003 NE Def rank 1st
2004 NE Def rank 2nd

So yes his def kept them in those games along with clutch fgs to win every single game with seconds left by the clutch-est kicker ever.

oh and heres your link if you need to see for yourself. scroll to the bottom for the actual rankings per sb.

http://www.thedailypigskin.com/super-bowl/defense-wins-championships

Ok so heres a question, according to your list, and your way of thinking, if Tom Brady was just some lucky shmuck who rode his defense to his Super Bowl rings, the same can be said of Joe Montana, John Elway, Bart Starr, Troy Aikman, and the rest of the QBs whos team had top 5 ranked defenses on their Super Bowl winning teams?

Look every once in awhile a blind squirrel can find a nut. I will give you that. Thats when you see the Brad Johnsons, the Trent Dlifers and the Jim Plunkets come along. But you dont luck your way into 3 Super Bowl wins. It doesnt happen that way. He was a good quarterback then, and now has become a great quarterback. He had the rings, now hes taking records and piling up statistics....while STILL having a chance to get more rings. When his career is over there is an excellent chance he can go down in many peoples opinion as the greatest QB that ever lived, and you make it sound like hes Jim McMahon.

[spoon]

No ploy at all. I have thought this for years about a lot of teams that did this it just so happens to have hurt Manning more and seems like I said before many players and caches agree and that has been discussed all night last night and for years. I guess you dont remember this talk even 2 years ago when Indy didnt go for the undefeated season and looked like shit in the playoffs? I guess you didnt hear this last night? Dont look too much into me saying it because its not about peyton its about the league in general and how this has happened before and actually former players are the ones bringing this up.

It's complete bullshit no matter who is saying it. ESPECIALLY in this case with Rodgers since he put 36 of 46 passes on the mark, tossed 2 tds (more if people caught awesome passes...see Jennings on the corner route) and run for 66 more yards.

[ozzie]

No, they've been like that since the 90's. The Championship games are always played later.

Looks like they were first moved to later start times in Jan 2003 to accomodate the west coast.

Ok, so I'm not completely crazy. It's not like it's been like this my whole life then.

It seems like even in recent years I watched both championship games with my boys... but, I looked up the last few years, and sure enough, the last game started around 6:30 - 6:45. Guess my short term memory is failing.

So, I'm assuming it will it still be daylight in SF at 3:30 then, right? With the sun setting sometime during the game?

I hope the Giants pay attention to this.

I remember AU going out to Cali for an opening season "Monday Night" game against USC back when Carnell and Ronnie were there. As soon as the sun started going down, the field became slicker than owl shit, and no one on AU's side was wearing long enough cleats.

[spoon]

seems you agree that the teams with the bye except NE came off soft? Now add to that you sat your QB the previous week giving him off over 3 weeks of playing time. So having off 2 weeks effected them and you dont think having an extra week on top of that effects it even more?

I'm saying it's 1/4 looked off as a team, surely NOT the qbs for SF, GB and NE or 3/4. It's just observations versus Kevin claiming it's some statistical known and clear fact. There is a difference in subject and outcome overall.

[TripleSkeet]

You mean the SB where the great Tom Brady who was the QB of the greatest offense ever couldnt score more then 14 points against the NYG? You mean that game? The one where they lost only giving up 17 points? Oh ok I got it. Didnt they avg like 40 points a game that season and didnt he throw for 50 tds that season. Wonder why he didnt score 40 that game and help out the def that won him 3 sb's? They kept it close for him he couldnt get it done!

Yea the same Tom Brady that with 7 minutes left and the game on the line drove down the field through that great defense like a hot knife through butter. Only to watch the Giants luck out with a couple of miracle plays and have his defense hand the game over to them. Yea thats the one.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm saying it's 1/4 looked off as a team, surely NOT the qbs for SF, GB and NE or 3/4. It's just observations versus Kevin claiming it's some statistical known and clear fact. There is a difference in subject and outcome overall.

I hear next year, the 7 and 8 seeds are gonna have bye weeks. Thatll teach em!

[Snacks]

Ok so heres a question, according to your list, and your way of thinking, if Tom Brady was just some lucky shmuck who rode his defense to his Super Bowl rings, the same can be said of Joe Montana, John Elway, Bart Starr, Troy Aikman, and the rest of the QBs whos team had top 5 ranked defenses on their Super Bowl winning teams?

Look every once in awhile a blind squirrel can find a nut. I will give you that. Thats when you see the Brad Johnsons, the Trent Dlifers and the Jim Plunkets come along. But you dont luck your way into 3 Super Bowl wins. It doesnt happen that way. He was a good quarterback then, and now has become a great quarterback. He had the rings, now hes taking records and piling up statistics....while STILL having a chance to get more rings. When his career is over there is an excellent chance he can go down in many peoples opinion as the greatest QB that ever lived, and you make it sound like hes Jim McMahon.

Yes but the difference is those guys won multiple SBs where they blew out teams but 20 and 30 points. I have said it time and time again that teams win sbs and if you are a balanced team you can and should blow fuckers out. Troy and Joe are perfect examples of winning games by their arms and with the help of great defenses. Sprry Brady won 3 SBs by last second fgs in close games where 2 of those wins came in low scoring def struggles.

you actually just helped my argument.

[Snacks]

It's complete bullshit no matter who is saying it. ESPECIALLY in this case with Rodgers since he put 36 of 46 passes on the mark, tossed 2 tds (more if people caught awesome passes...see Jennings on the corner route) and run for 66 more yards.

ok so everyone else who is employed on the radio and sports shows like cbs, fox and espn and the nfl network all are wrong except you and marriuchi! ok got it!

[TripleSkeet]

Yes but the difference is those guys won multiple SBs where they blew out teams but 20 and 30 points. I have said it time and time again that teams win sbs and if you are a balanced team you can and should blow fuckers out. Troy and Joe are perfect examples of winning games by their arms and with the help of great defenses. Sprry Brady won 3 SBs by last second fgs in close games where 2 of those wins came in low scoring def struggles.

you actually just helped my argument.

Youre insane dude. I dont know how else to say it.

[Snacks]

Yea the same Tom Brady that with 7 minutes left and the game on the line drove down the field through that great defense like a hot knife through butter. Only to watch the Giants luck out with a couple of miracle plays and have his defense hand the game over to them. Yea thats the one.

and he still only scored 14 points the entire game and his def still only gave up 17 points when they were used to getting 40 points from their offense. maybe if brady scored more that day the giants would have nothing to come back to because they would have been down by too much.

[TripleSkeet]

Oh some quick questions, you said right now Tom Bradys a great quarterback right? You just dont count his first 3 Super Bowl wins because they werent blowouts. Do I have this information correct?

[Snacks]

Youre insane dude. I dont know how else to say it.

then dont and shut the fuck up because your comparison proved wrong and your an idiot. you just tried to compare something that cant be. brady winning with great def and not blowing anyone out vs the sf and dal teams that destroyed everyone they played and not one game being close. sorry wrong!!!

[spoon]

ok so everyone else who is employed on the radio and sports shows like cbs, fox and espn and the nfl network all are wrong except you and marriuchi! ok got it!

no snacks, you just keep believing what some schlubs tell you to think on awful ESPN and one of WFAN's worst shows ever. that's more like it.

you sure do have it!

for once I'd like you to back up your argument YOURSELF versus HE said this and my daddy said that! you sound like a fucking tool. you are in an argument with me and your fucking point is Boomer said this and ESPN even said it!? HA!

I don't give a fuck what Mooch says either. That's HIS opinion whether he agrees with me or not. Now if they threw some fucking STATS out there and backed up their point it might carry some weight. but my guess is they just went with "Snacks and Kevin said so on RonFez.net and I'm pretty sure that almost surely destroys any validity of any argument in the known universe when you two are in league together on a point.

[Snacks]

Oh some quick questions, you said right now Tom Bradys a great quarterback right? You just dont count his first 3 Super Bowl wins because they werent blowouts. Do I have this information correct?

i never said they dont count you fucking moron. i said he wasnt a great qb and that his teams were great. He has turned in to a great qb and deserves all the respect he now gets but overall he was a game manager that has turned into a great stat qb over time.

and it is kind of funny that since become a great stat qb he hasnt won a title. odd isnt it.

[ozzie]

Ant, he threw that pick on almost the very last play of the game down a LOT so are you going to really count that? Come on. The guy had ~ 10 HUGE drops and was pressured almost every time he dropped back and was sacked 4 times (?hurries/knock downs). The guy was the leading rusher too.

Nike / S.I. had just got done praising the GB receivers for their lack of drops in their playoff preview issue, giving the credit to these crazy training glasses they've been wearing:

Visions of Perfection (http://www.sportvisionmarketing.com/latest-news/si-features-nike-strobe-eyeglass/)

<img src="http://www.sportvisionmarketing.com/wp-content/uploads/Nike-Sparq-Vapor-Strobe-Eyeglasses.jpg"width=400>

Jennings has even persuaded the rest of Green Bay's receiving corps to don the eyewear for workouts. The result? In the 2011 regular season the unit's frequency of dropped catchable balls stood at 7.8%, down from 10.9%—second worst in the NFL—in Jennings's '06 rookie season. And really, who's to argue with a Packers receiver this year?

Epo, you wanna answer that one?

[Snacks]

no snacks, you just keep believing what some schlubs tell you to think on awful ESPN and one of WFAN's worst shows ever. that's more like it.

you sure do have it!

for once I'd like you to back up your argument YOURSELF versus HE said this and my daddy said that! you sound like a fucking tool. you are in an argument with me and your fucking point is Boomer said this and ESPN even said it!? HA!

I don't give a fuck what Mooch says either. That's HIS opinion whether he agrees with me or not. Now if they threw some fucking STATS out there and backed up their point it might carry some weight. but my guess is they just went with "Snacks and Kevin said so on RonFez.net and I'm pretty sure that almost surely destroys any validity of any argument in the known universe when you two are in league together on a point.

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[spoon]

then dont and shut the fuck up because your comparison proved wrong and your an idiot. you just tried to compare something that cant be. brady winning with great def and not blowing anyone out vs the sf and dal teams that destroyed everyone they played and not one game being close. sorry wrong!!!

wow in so many ways Snacks :blink:

you fail to remember these are the best two teams in the league or fucking close every year. he won three of them, one at least being a HUGE underdog! blowing a team out or winning by a fg is inconsequential in the end at this point, and Brady had to play based on how the game was playing out and the calls being made. I'm quite sure he could have opened things more if need be, but their plan obviously worked in 3/4, and the one time it didn't there were miraculous plays to say the least. Aikman is not EVEN CLOSE to Brady as a qb either, so talk about bad comparisons all you like, but you just took the prize with that one!

[TripleSkeet]

then dont and shut the fuck up because your comparison proved wrong and your an idiot. you just tried to compare something that cant be. brady winning with great def and not blowing anyone out vs the sf and dal teams that destroyed everyone they played and not one game being close. sorry wrong!!!

You do realize one of Joe Montanas Super Bowls he won by 5 points, and another he won by 4. Right? Do these count?

[spoon]

You do realize one of Joe Montanas Super Bowls he won by 5 points, and another he won by 4. Right? Do these count?

To Cincy's Kenny Anderson and Boomer! You know, the God of all NFL stats!

[Earlshog]

Looks like they were first moved to later start times in Jan 2003 to accomodate the west coast.
Ok, so I'm not completely crazy. It's not like it's been like this my whole life then.

It seems like even in recent years I watched both championship games with my boys... but, I looked up the last few years, and sure enough, the last game started around 6:30 - 6:45. Guess my short term memory is failing.

So, I'm assuming it will it still be daylight in SF at 3:30 then, right? With the sun setting sometime during the game?

I hope the Giants pay attention to this.

I remember AU going out to Cali for an opening season "Monday Night" game against USC back when Carnell and Ronnie were there. As soon as the sun started going down, the field became slicker than owl shit, and no one on AU's side was wearing long enough cleats.

Nah goes back way longer, from what I remember its goes back to the late 80's early 90's

[ozzie]

I disagree and seems many former players do too. Rodgers didnt have a good game either he overthrew guys, fumbled was int and looked out of sync. He had a lot to do with what happened yesterday as did the rest of the team and when you sit you lose something. You cant just turn it on again and that doesnt mean just the qb but the team. I watched NFL network, ESPN and listened to Boomer on B&C and every former player and coach that talked about this all said that maybe they should all learn from this and if you have a bye dont let your QB sit out the entire last game. They said it was also about preparation and players are used to a routine. Its not just the game and the offenses entire routine was fucked with when he barely practiced for week 17 and then had the bye. The only one who didnt agree with this was Marriuchi (sp?).

They sat Jennings that last game too, right? And Cobb? Any other receivers or offensive players?

Were they specifically blaming it on Rodgers play? Or that the offense suffers when you sit your QB and starters?

I gotta agree with others that Rodgers didn't play that bad, but I also agree the whole offense seemed out of sync. It didn't seem to affect them against the Lions, but perhaps they got too used to catching balls from Flynn? He doesn't exactly have Aaron's arm strength.

Someone a few pages back brought up the play calling during the game, and how it seemed like they were forcing running plays early.

I'm actually surprised no one has brought up the crap that the team went through with the Philbins and their son last week. It just makes me wonder how much time they were actually able to spend game planning for the giants.

[ozzie]

Nah goes back way longer, from what I remember its goes back to the late 80's early 90's

I got the 2003 date from MySportsBook.net (http://www.mysportsbook.net/news/sports_betting/3418.html)

New York, NY (My Sportsbook) - In an effort to appeal to a wider audience, the NFL has changed the starting times of this year's conference championship games.

The West Coast may benefit the most from the later starting times, as the NFC Championship Game will begin at 3 p.m. (et) on Sunday, January 19, and the AFC Championship Game will get underway at 6:30 p.m. (et) the same day.

The playoffs will begin on Saturday, January 4 with a pair of wild card playoff games, one at 4:30 p.m.(et) and the other at 8 p.m. (et). There will be two games the following day, at 1 p.m. (et) and 4:30 p.m. (et). The divisional playoff games will take place the following weekend with the same time format.

The NFL moved playoff games into prime time last year for the first time and it produced one crazy contest, as the New England Patriots beat the Oakland Raiders, 16-13, in overtime at a snowy Foxboro Stadium. That game started at 8 p.m. (et).

The 2002 season playoff schedule is as follows:

Sunday, January 19, 2003

3:00 p.m. (et) - NFC Championship Game (FOX)

6:30 p.m. (et) - AFC Championship Game (CBS)



Not the most reputable sports site, I realize, but not sure why they'd put up misleading info either.

[hanso]

Here is a nice stat. GB is the 1st ever 15 win team to go out 1 and done. Never happened before, at least every other time the team won the 1st playoff game and hosted the conf title. I thought when Minn lost at home to ATL in the 98 playoffs that was embarrassing but that was a close game that came down to a fg in ot (i think might have been last seconds of 4th q)and ATL was a good team that year with 14 wins. But to get beat down like this at home to a 9-7, # 4 seed who actually had the worst record in the conf of all the teams that made the playoffs is kind of a big fuck you slap in the face.

Saw one on the #1 seeds the last 5 years they all did about what GB did.

[Kevin]

Anyone blaming Aaron Rodgers in anyway in this game is just not paying attenion.

Did he miss some throws? Sure.

But the blame squarely goes to that, LIKE I SAID ALL YEAR (ARE YOU LISTENING TWO OF YOU)

SHITTY defense, and the WRs dropping the ball literally and figuratively.

The did a good job stopping the run, but their pass rush and and covrage were as atrocious that its been all year.

But naaaaaaa, its the offense scoring so fast.

And you can put the blame on them not being in sync offensively in basically not going full throttle for what amounted to 3 weeks.

Week 17 and the bye.

Aaron Rodgers played pretty damn well yesterday, he just had zero help.

[Snacks]

They sat Jennings that last game too, right? And Cobb? Any other receivers or offensive players?

Were they specifically blaming it on Rodgers play? Or that the offense suffers when you sit your QB and starters?

I gotta agree with others that Rodgers didn't play that bad, but I also agree the whole offense seemed out of sync. It didn't seem to affect them against the Lions, but perhaps they got too used to catching balls from Flynn? He doesn't exactly have Aaron's arm strength.

Someone a few pages back brought up the play calling during the game, and how it seemed like they were forcing running plays early.

I'm actually surprised no one has brought up the crap that the team went through with the Philbins and their son last week. It just makes me wonder how much time they were actually able to spend game planning for the giants.

yes thats the problem its the flow of the game. 1 kink can fuck shit up you dont have to bench the whole team just change it up and things are hard to restart. as for the play calls, gbs head coach calls all the plays anyway he is truly the offensive cord and calls all the plays from the sideline. running did shock me and i dont understand why they changed their style for this game especially when the nyg weakness is their def backs.

[Snacks]

Saw one on the #1 seeds the last 5 years they all did about what GB did.

that is the trend that kevin is talking about.

[Kevin]

that is the trend that kevin is talking about.

BAAAAAAAAAAAH!


Screw trends.

The Rodger Goodell of RF.net is the boss!

[Earlshog]

I got the 2003 date from MySportsBook.net (http://www.mysportsbook.net/news/sports_betting/3418.html)



Not the most reputable sports site, I realize, but not sure why they'd put up misleading info either.

Not sure... Maybe it was 2:30 and 6 or something starts... That could have been the move to 3 and 6:30 but it def wasn't 1 and 4:30 since late 80's early 90's

[Kevin]

Brady said the Ravens are the best team they played all year.

I'm sorry, but did you watch the Texans game where if they had a competent QB, they would have lost by 30?

[ozzie]

Not sure... Maybe it was 2:30 and 6 or something starts... That could have been the move to 3 and 6:30 but it def wasn't 1 and 4:30 since late 80's early 90's

Shit, I can't find anything better than fucking wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs%2C_2000-01) on this... but, for what it's worth:

The NFL playoffs following the 2000 NFL season led up to Super Bowl XXXV.

This would be the last time that playoff games would be played at the accustomed times of 12:30 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. EST. The following season, the NFL scheduled prime time playoff games for the first two rounds in an attempt to attract more television viewers.

NFC Championship: New York Giants 41, Minnesota Vikings 0
at Giants Stadium, East Rutherford, New Jersey
Game time: 12:30 p.m. EST

AFC Championship: Baltimore Ravens 16, Oakland Raiders 3
at Network Associates Coliseum, Oakland, California
Game time: 4:00 p.m. EST/1:00 p.m. PST

[spoon]

BAAAAAAAAAAAH!


Screw trends.

The Rodger Goodell of RF.net is the boss!

Ha! Hanso saw one? That's your proof source? And even if true, other factors play into it like the parity I mentioned and you have to show a change from the past and or show which sat players and which didn't...bc New England never does and they lost the last few years in the first round if you recall.

Jesus is it too hard to think logically or have some sense to your ideas. Hanso saw something he barely described, Kevin and Snacks run with it as if they found the fucking Dead Sea Scrolls and Ark of the Covenant wrapped into one!

[Kevin]

http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/product/19004853/view/1/type/png/width/378/height/378/i-m-the-boss-toddler-shirts.png

[Kevin]

Ha! Hanso saw one? That's your proof source? And even if true, other factors play into it like the parity I mentioned and you have to show a change from the past and or show which sat players and which didn't...bc New England never does and they lost the last few years in the first round if you recall.

Jesus is it too hard to think logically or have some sense to your ideas. Hanso saw something he barely described, Kevin and Snacks run with it as if they found the fucking Dead Sea Scrolls and Ark of the Covenant wrapped into one!

You don't need any goddamn sources.

We are not uncovering fucking watergate here.

Just look back towards recent memory.

#1 seeds that have shit wrapped up and take off last games have come out flat and lost and 4 5 6 seeds that needed the game are in form when playoffs come and roll.

What part of this are you not getting.

Again, just say that you're wrong once in a while, you won't catch on fire.

[hanso]

Ha! Hanso saw one? That's your proof source? And even if true, other factors play into it like the parity I mentioned and you have to show a change from the past and or show which sat players and which didn't...bc New England never does and they lost the last few years in the first round if you recall.

Jesus is it too hard to think logically or have some sense to your ideas. Hanso saw something he barely described, Kevin and Snacks run with it as if they found the fucking Dead Sea Scrolls and Ark of the Covenant wrapped into one!

It was a chart flashed on TV. I'm sure this can be looked up.

I'm with you on Rodgers BTW the older WR's were the only ones catching the ball all game ( 2 of them) this is what did them in.

SF scored 3 TD's the last 4 Min. but that wouldn't have mattered with the younger WR's catching at least some of the passes.

[underdog]

ok so everyone else who is employed on the radio and sports shows like cbs, fox and espn and the nfl network all are wrong except you and marriuchi! ok got it!

Everyone on those shows were just talking about how great of a QB Tebow is. they won't help your argument.

[underdog]

your an idiot.

Stop acting like such a looser.

[Kevin]

As a No. 1 seed in the playoffs, the Packers are battling against recent NFL history.

Just two No. 1 seeds in the past 10 years have gone on to win the Super Bowl. The New Orleans Saints did it two years ago, and the New England Patriots pulled it off in 2003.

Less than 50% of the No. 1 seeds over the past 10 years (9 of 20) advanced to the Super Bowl.

Here is a list of Super Bowl results over the past decade and where the teams were seeded:

2010 — No. 6 Packers over No. 2 Steelers

2009 — No. 1 Saints over No. 1 Colts

2008 — No. 2 Steelers over No. 4 Cardinals

2007 -– No. 5 Giants over No. 1 Patriots

2006 — No. 3 Colts over No. 1 Bears

2005 — No. 6 Steelers over No. 1 Seahawks

2004 — No. 2 Patriots over No. 1 Eagles

2003 — No. 1 Patriots over No. 3 Panthers

2002 — No. 2 Buccaneers over No. 1 Raiders

2001 — No. 2 Patriots over No. 1 Rams

And that does not even say how many of these guys took off final games.

[Snoogans]

As a No. 1 seed in the playoffs, the Packers are battling against recent NFL history.

Just two No. 1 seeds in the past 10 years have gone on to win the Super Bowl. The New Orleans Saints did it two years ago, and the New England Patriots pulled it off in 2003.

Less than 50% of the No. 1 seeds over the past 10 years (9 of 20) advanced to the Super Bowl.

Here is a list of Super Bowl results over the past decade and where the teams were seeded:

2010 — No. 6 Packers over No. 2 Steelers

2009 — No. 1 Saints over No. 1 Colts

2008 — No. 2 Steelers over No. 4 Cardinals

2007 -– No. 5 Giants over No. 1 Patriots

2006 — No. 3 Colts over No. 1 Bears

2005 — No. 6 Steelers over No. 1 Seahawks

2004 — No. 2 Patriots over No. 1 Eagles

2003 — No. 1 Patriots over No. 3 Panthers

2002 — No. 2 Buccaneers over No. 1 Raiders

2001 — No. 2 Patriots over No. 1 Rams

And that does not even say how many of these guys took off final games.

see. definitive proof. You cant find one time in that list where a 1 or 2 seed who had a bye week actually made it to the super bowl


im sorry kev, but every goddamn superbowl on that list has at least 1 team who had a bye. EVERY SINGLE SB

[Kevin]

see. definitive proof. You cant find one time in that list where a 1 or 2 seed who had a bye week actually made it to the super bowl


im sorry kev, but every goddamn superbowl on that list has at least 1 team who had a bye. EVERY SINGLE SB

See, this what you guys are NOT getting.


I never said the bye hurts


I said, teams that take their foot off the gas because they have shit wrapped up.

Just because they are #1 seeds does not mean they are doing that.

Alot of #1 seeds do not clinch it til week 17.

My point was the teams like GB, the Colts, etc that do that usually stall and get caught.

When you combine the week 17 off plus the bye, then its usually too much.

Its always good to go into the playoffs in synch.

[Snoogans]

See, this what you guys are NOT getting.


I never said the bye hurts


I said, teams that take their foot off the gas because they have shit wrapped up.

Just because they are #1 seeds does not mean they are doing that.

Alot of #1 seeds do not clinch it til the bye.

My point was the teams like GB, the Colts, etc that do that usually stall and get caught.

i understand your point, but you posted that as if it was to help make your point. I guarantee there are teams in those 1s and 2s that took the foot off late.

But regardless, you posted this as a way to help backup your point. and nothing about it did. thats all i was sayin.

[Kevin]

i understand your point, but you posted that as if it was to help make your point. I guarantee there are teams in those 1s and 2s that took the foot off late.

But regardless, you posted this as a way to help backup your point. and nothing about it did. thats all i was sayin.

Yea i said it wrong....

But i also posted it to show how many 4 5 6 teams made it or won the SB...

[Snoogans]

Yea i said it wrong....

But i also posted it to show how many 4 5 6 teams made it or won the SB...

and you know im sure a few of them either were locked into that slot or lost and backdoored into the playoffs. it doesnt really show anything

[KnoxHarrington]

and you know im sure a few of them either were locked into that slot or lost and backdoored into the playoffs. it doesnt really show anything

I would imagine a lot of years, the #5 seed, and maybe even the #6 seed, is a much better team than whatever team wins the conference's shittiest division at 8-8 or 9-7 and thus gets the #4 seed.

[Kevin]

Besides the Cards maybe.

I don't think any of those teams backed into the playoffs.

[Snoogans]

I would imagine a lot of years, the #5 seed, and maybe even the #6 seed, is a much better team than whatever team wins the conference's shittiest division at 8-8 or 9-7 and thus gets the #4 seed.

this is also a fair point. and alot of times im sure a 4 seed had the div locked up, couldnt catch the 3 seed, and so they shut it down the last game knowing what seed they had. It happens alot. Im sure its just coincidence, if anything

[Snoogans]

Besides the Cards maybe.

I don't think any of those teams backed into the playoffs.

the giants basically did. they played the starters the last game to try to get some confidence, but they lost like 3 games in a row goin into the playoffs in 07. they werent on fire until round 1.

[Kevin]

the giants basically did. they played the starters the last game to try to get some confidence, but they lost like 3 games in a row goin into the playoffs in 07. they werent on fire until round 1.

Yea, but I think playing that game helped them though.

Giants had the playoffs locked up that last game.

[Snoogans]

Yea, but I think playing that game helped them though.

Giants had the playoffs locked up that last game.

it prob helped mentally, you are right. but they didnt roll into the playoffs by any means. Im sure it doesnt really make that much difference.

And the time the giants had the bye and lost was cause burress shot himself, not cause they fell asleep either. so

[Kevin]

it prob helped mentally, you are right. but they didnt roll into the playoffs by any means. Im sure it doesnt really make that much difference.

And the time the giants had the bye and lost was cause burress shot himself, not cause they fell asleep either. so

It also helped that the Bucs sucked balls also...

[Dude!]

Yea i said it wrong....

it takes a real grownup
to say he's wrong

spoon would rather
catch on fire
than say those words

[Kevin]

it takes a real grownup
to say he's wrong

spoon would rather
catch on fire
than say those words

I was wrwrrrr

wrwrrrrr


goddamn fonzi spoon.

[spoon]

it takes a real grownup
to say he's wrong

spoon would rather
catch on fire
than say those words

says the guy who is just naturally flaming, this means a lot




and this thread has officially gone from stupid to Dude/Kevin fodder. Glad to see the kids in the remedial class getting alone.

that rundown on Super Bowls was fucking hilarious

and yes Kev when you make blanket statements about the negative effects of bye weeks, "taking weeks off" and sometimes their combinations on certain players/teams you might want actual breakdowns for any...ANY credibility. It goes both ways as one year a guy gets hurt and everyone gets all fired up that they were stupid to play said player with it all wrapped up. Another the team rests stars and doesn't play well the next week (which literally happens from week to week anyway in this NFL) and everyone said they lost their routine and couldn't get it back in time. And finally there are the teams that do either and they win a few, bow out when expected (so no one makes excuses) and or wins it all and nobody cares how they did it. It literally has been done every way, recently and in the past and people will always use hindsight to say they KNEW it was a mistake and of course they shouldn't have " insert strategy here" which resulted in a loss. Bottom line is, barring CRAZY plays or bad calls, the more talented usually team moves on and wins their games unless they were outplayed and outcoached. It just so happens NY did both in the end, and the bye had a LOT less to do with it than all the above and complete disruption to their OC's life and it's impact on the team. It's not an excuse, but it's a part of it.

[spoon]

I was wrwrrrr

wrwrrrrr


goddamn fonzi spoon.

Happy Days just got to Albanian tv did it?

[ozzie]

How the #1 and #2 seeded teams have fared last 10 years:

LD = Lost in the Divisional Round at home
LC = Lost conference championship game
LS = Won Conference, Lost Superbowl
WS = Won Superbowl

2010-11
1 . ATL - LD 1 . NE - LD
2 . CHI - LC 2 . PIT - LS
2009-10
1 . NO - WS 1 . IND - LS
2 . MIN - LC 2 . SD - LD
2008-09
1 . NYG - LD 1 . TEN - LD
2 . CAR - LD 2 . PIT - WS
2007-08
1 . DAL - LD 1 . NE - LS
2 . GB - LC 2 . IND - LD
2006-07
1 . CHI - LS 1 . SD - LD
2 . NO - LC 2 . BAL - LD
2005-06
1 . SEA - LS 1 . IND - LD
2 . CHI - LD 2 . DEN - LC
2004-05
1 . PHI - LS 1 . PIT - LC
2 . ATL - LC 2 . NE - WS
2003-04
1 . PHI - LC 1 . NE - WS
2 . STL - LD 2 . KC - LD
2002-03
1 . PHI - LC 1 . OAK - LS
2 . TB - WS 2 . TEN - LC
2001-02
1 . STL - LS 1 . PIT - LC
2 . CHI - LD 2 . NE - WS

Like snoog pointed out, every year at least one of the 4 seeded teams has reached the SB.

The NFC has had 7 of 20 knocked out in the divisional round. 6 reached the SB, 2 of those won. Overall record: 21 - 18.

The AFC has had 8 of 20 lose their first game. 8 reached the SB, 4 of those won. Overall record: 23 - 16.

What does it mean? Fucking magnets, man...

[Snoogans]

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wow

[A.J.]

At least she wasn't wearing a pink hat.

[Jujubees2]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZjvXxwvg8mc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

wow

It was those damn sparkles!

[ozzie]

wow

Fuck, way to go Megan! This is all your fault!

Sparkles? Really? What the hell were you thinking, Megan?!?!

[CountryBob]

Fuck, way to go Megan! This is all your fault!

Sparkles? Really? What the hell were you thinking, Megan?!?!

Megan has been foiling teams success for years now - she talked that guy into catching that foul ball at the Cubs game a few years back...

[Snoogans]

if only she wore her aaron rodgers jersey

[ozzie]

Megan has been foiling teams success for years now - she talked that guy into catching that foul ball at the Cubs game a few years back...

Fucking bitch. Her nails do look awful damn sparkly...

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5725/megangc.jpg

[Snoogans]

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/lol-tebow-respects-his-honesty.jpg

[Gutter]

wow

There was a chick like that where I was. She cried about 4 or 5 times after the game, and it was weird because she didn't have any Packers gear on so I had no idea why she was crying. haha.

[Earlshog]

There was a chick like that where I was. She cried about 4 or 5 times after the game, and it was weird because she didn't have any Packers gear on so I had no idea why she was crying. haha.

thats crazy... I've never seen a drunk chick crying in hoboken.... next thing you are gonna tell me is she was blathering on her i phone... :wub:

[Gutter]

thats crazy... I've never seen a drunk chick crying in hoboken.... next thing you are gonna tell me is she was blathering on her i phone... :wub:

How'd you know?!?!?!?!

[TripleSkeet]

Cant wait to see all the national coverage and outrage over how much Saints fans are animals...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57359661/cops-saints-fan-shoots-two-49ers-fans-after-loss/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

YAY!!!!


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/01/cbs-tim-tebow-turns-down-invitation-to-be-analyst-sunday/1

[Snacks]

Cant wait to see all the national coverage and outrage over how much Saints fans are animals...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57359661/cops-saints-fan-shoots-two-49ers-fans-after-loss/

this didnt happen in the city where the team plays or by fans that went to the game. this could happen in any city where the fans werent fans of any local team. i think we all get why you are even saying this and trying to create outrage because philly fans gets the shit all the time. but like i said thats because its your shitty fans that do this in the city where the games are being played, at or around the stadium and during or after the game.

hope you see the difference between the 2 situations?

[Snacks]

YAY!!!!


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/01/cbs-tim-tebow-turns-down-invitation-to-be-analyst-sunday/1

im very thankful for this. maybe we can be lucky enough not to hear about him til at least camp.

[cougarjake13]

Cant wait to see all the national coverage and outrage over how much Saints fans are animals...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57359661/cops-saints-fan-shoots-two-49ers-fans-after-loss/

What the fuck is wrong with u Californians?

[cougarjake13]

im very thankful for this. maybe we can be lucky enough not to hear about him til at least camp.



Are u kidding ?


With the pro bowl and 2 weeks betw champ games and super bowl they're gonna have 2 hour retrospectives on his season career life etc

[TripleSkeet]

this didnt happen in the city where the team plays or by fans that went to the game. this could happen in any city where the fans werent fans of any local team. i think we all get why you are even saying this and trying to create outrage because philly fans gets the shit all the time. but like i said thats because its your shitty fans that do this in the city where the games are being played, at or around the stadium and during or after the game.

hope you see the difference between the 2 situations?

Heres the difference in the situations, in one situation a couple of guys got beat up, in the other they got fucking shot.

Thats it.

Every team has their fans and their fanatics. There are assholes that cross the line and attack others rooting for every team in the league. The only difference is when its a Philly sports fan the media jumps all over it and makes it out like they are the only fans that do shit like that. Every story has to start off with "From the fans that threw snowballs at Santa Claus..." another bullshit story grossly exagerated by that dickbag Howard Cosell and sportscasters for the last 40 years.

[TripleSkeet]

this didnt happen in the city where the team plays or by fans that went to the game. this could happen in any city where the fans werent fans of any local team. i think we all get why you are even saying this and trying to create outrage because philly fans gets the shit all the time. but like i said thats because its your shitty fans that do this in the city where the games are being played, at or around the stadium and during or after the game.

hope you see the difference between the 2 situations?

By the way, heres a letter to the editor from a fan that went to the SF game. Like it or not this guy was smart and did what youre supposed to do when youre watching a game at the opposing teams stadium. He just shut up and watched the game. And even though he took verbal abuse, he got out fine.

http://blog.sfgate.com/opinionshop/2012/01/17/should-49ers-fans-be-concerned-about-hooliganism/?tsp=1

[Snacks]

By the way, heres a letter to the editor from a fan that went to the SF game. Like it or not this guy was smart and did what youre supposed to do when youre watching a game at the opposing teams stadium. He just shut up and watched the game. And even though he took verbal abuse, he got out fine.

http://blog.sfgate.com/opinionshop/2012/01/17/should-49ers-fans-be-concerned-about-hooliganism/?tsp=1

sorry but you go to a game you should be able to root for and cheer for whoever you want. if the local team loses too fucking bad, we are all adults once the game is over there is no reason to start a fight b/c your team lost. Every single one of those fans are pussys who only act tough because they have numbers. Sports are meant to entertain and have fun this is too far. I dont care if people curse at games or players is fine. But to do it directly towards other fans and threaten them for turning around? Sorry, If I was there I would have sided with the Saints fans even if I was a niners fans. I did it during the nets finals vs the spurs and would do it anywhere. No fan deserves to be disrespected or fear for their safety at a game. Its one thing to curse at a bad play or your team sucking its another to get violent towards opposing teams fans for no other reason but they are fans of a different team.

[Earlshog]

How'd you know?!?!?!?!

6th sense... hopefully the same is unfolding this Sunday around 930

[TripleSkeet]

sorry but you go to a game you should be able to root for and cheer for whoever you want. if the local team loses too fucking bad, we are all adults once the game is over there is no reason to start a fight b/c your team lost. Every single one of those fans are pussys who only act tough because they have numbers. Sports are meant to entertain and have fun this is too far. I dont care if people curse at games or players is fine. But to do it directly towards other fans and threaten them for turning around? Sorry, If I was there I would have sided with the Saints fans even if I was a niners fans. I did it during the nets finals vs the spurs and would do it anywhere. No fan deserves to be disrespected or fear for their safety at a game. Its one thing to curse at a bad play or your team sucking its another to get violent towards opposing teams fans for no other reason but they are fans of a different team.

This isnt about right or wrong. Its about smart and dumb. I dont give a fuck if you SHOULD have a right to cheer who you want to, the bottom line is if you have half a brain, you dont get confrontational when the odds are that heavy against you. Even if it has nothing to do with sports. Just keep your mouth shut and enjoy the game and get out safe. Besides, what asshole DOESNT expect some verbal abuse when wearing the enemies colors at a football game????

Ive been there, and have gotten the lip. I expected it. As long as you keep your hands to yourself you can say whatever you want.

[hanso]

Did Rob Lowe break news on Peyton's retirement?

Tweets of Peyton's retirement news to bro
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/rob-lowe-tweets-peyton-manning-retirement-news-colts-qb-brother-cooper-manning-article-1.1008356?localLinksEnabled=false

[Judge Smails]

L.T. wishes Ryan would pipe down, says Sanchez is pampered (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8261e8a9/article/lt-wishes-ryan-would-pipe-down-says-sanchez-is-pampered?module=HP11_headline_stack)


"I would prefer him not to say it as much as he did," Tomlinson said, according to the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2012/01/ladainian-tomlinson-says-mark-sanchez-is-a-bit-pampered-by-the-jets). "I don't mind every now and again saying we are going to win a championship. Maybe at the beginning of the year just saying, 'Hey, our goal is to win a championship.'
"But at the same time, every week if you are calling out a team on certain things, I think it puts a little extra on your team," Tomlinson added. "Guys really want to go out there and say, 'Let's shut this guy up. Let's shut these Jets up, just end their season.' "
Tomlinson didn't stop there. He believes quarterback Mark Sanchez (http://www.nfl.com/players/marksanchez/profile?id=SAN091667) is "a bit pampered because he has no competition" and said the Jets' locker room was "as bad as I've ever been around, honestly."
"You know, it was at the point where I think the players could no longer do anything about it," Tomlinson said. "There was nothing that the players could do. So when it gets to that point, there are certain changes that need to happen. Can it be fixed? I think absolutely it can be. But they're going to have to make some tough decisions."

[cougarjake13]

L.T. wishes Ryan would pipe down, says Sanchez is pampered (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8261e8a9/article/lt-wishes-ryan-would-pipe-down-says-sanchez-is-pampered?module=HP11_headline_stack)



It's true

[spoon]

Cant wait to see all the national coverage and outrage over how much Saints fans are animals...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57359661/cops-saints-fan-shoots-two-49ers-fans-after-loss/

Yah, the liquor and applebee's will get blamed too is my guess. How is liquor to blame when a person not only makes the call to get shit faced, but also can't behave in that fashion so much that he leaves, gets a gun and then shoots two people bc they were probably busting balls. Lock the asshole up and toss the old key on this fucking idiot.

[spoon]

sorry but you go to a game you should be able to root for and cheer for whoever you want. if the local team loses too fucking bad, we are all adults once the game is over there is no reason to start a fight b/c your team lost. Every single one of those fans are pussys who only act tough because they have numbers. Sports are meant to entertain and have fun this is too far. I dont care if people curse at games or players is fine. But to do it directly towards other fans and threaten them for turning around? Sorry, If I was there I would have sided with the Saints fans even if I was a niners fans. I did it during the nets finals vs the spurs and would do it anywhere. No fan deserves to be disrespected or fear for their safety at a game. Its one thing to curse at a bad play or your team sucking its another to get violent towards opposing teams fans for no other reason but they are fans of a different team.

It really is pathetic and mob mentality to be the tough guy at a fucking home sporting event against the few outside fans. Sure some away fans bring it on themselves (ridicule at least), but not to this level even if they were...which they seemingly weren't even close. I like all away teams and can tell you this, it's mainly class and understanding it's just a fucking game. Over the last few years I've seen SD play both the Jets and Giants up here and it was night and day to be honest. I drank and tailgated with the Giant fans and had no problem outside one or two drunks later on the way out bc SD won, but man the whole time was pathetic at the Jet game.

I don't mind witty rips and jokes to poke fun at my team, as the both did have some good attacks at my soft spots like Norv and AJ Smith. Others with the crude curses and in your face attitude, almost all day with the Jets, is just plain stupid, lazy and barbaric. It's an event I go to have some fun at regardless of the outcome. Sure it's more enjoyable to see a good game, especially when your team wins, but some people are just out of their minds.

As I said, SD won against the Giants when I went and we had pretty much no issues. However at the recent Jet game SD got beat and it was the opposite from pregame to exit after.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Speaking of Tiki, he's going to be on SNY for Giants coverage:

http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120119&content_id=26389592&vkey=2&tcid=tw_share

I can understand using Shaun O'Hara, but why the hell would you use Tiki? It's like using Roger Clemens to discuss Yankee games.

[spoon]

Speaking of Tiki, he's going to be on SNY for Giants coverage:

http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120119&content_id=26389592&vkey=2&tcid=tw_share

I can understand using Shaun O'Hara, but why the hell would you use Tiki? It's like using Roger Clemens to discuss Yankee games.

that's a terrible comparison

[Earlshog]

that's a terrible comparison

lol.... Maybe like using McElroy to talk about the Jets... in six years...

[Snacks]

lol.... Maybe like using McElroy to talk about the Jets... in six years...

not even that either. At least Tiki was a great player for the Giants for 4-5 years. Isnt he their all time rusher or all time combo rusher/receiver ever?

[cougarjake13]

not even that either. At least Tiki was a great player for the Giants for 4-5 years. Isnt he their all time rusher or all time combo rusher/receiver ever?



Rushing def
Prob combo also

[Tenbatsuzen]

not even that either. At least Tiki was a great player for the Giants for 4-5 years. Isnt he their all time rusher or all time combo rusher/receiver ever?

The point is, even if Tiki was good for the Giants, isn't he kind of vilified by the fan base now?

It seems like this is a career rehab assignment for him - which is good - but as I'm not a Giants fan, I don't know if the fans are warm to him or not. My comparison with Clemens is that even though Roger pitched well for the Yankees, no Yankee fan really speaks that glowingly or positively about Roger. That has do with a lot of other shit (lying, roids, lying, diva attitude) but a lot of the character shenanigans Roger had you can see in Tiki.

[Tenbatsuzen]

lol.... Maybe like using McElroy to talk about the Jets... in six years...

For what it's worth, Ray Lucas is a decent analyst for both Rutgers and SNY. He's a little more emotional and loose with his tongue on Rutgers games, but that's actually kind of refreshing.

[King Imp]

To this day I still don't get the hatred by Giants fans for Tiki. What exactly did he do so wrong to earn this wrath?

I know he announced he was going to retire at the end of the season, but then it was the fucking sports announcers that had to bring it up every God damn game. The fans should hate the hacks who had to mention that every week, not Tiki who was a damn good player for our team for many years.

Unless I'm missing something else here and that's not the reason for the hatred.

[Snacks]

To this day I still don't get the hatred by Giants fans for Tiki. What exactly did he do so wrong to earn this wrath?

I know he announced he was going to retire at the end of the season, but then it was the fucking sports announcers that had to bring it up every God damn game. The fans should hate the hacks who had to mention that every week, not Tiki who was a damn good player for our team for many years.

Unless I'm missing something else here and that's not the reason for the hatred.

From my understanding they dont like that he overly called out the coach, the team and Eli multiple times when he was a commentator. I think he also picked against them a few times in big games. I dont remember much more then that unless they hate him now because all the shit he did in his personal life with his family but that could just be to pile on since I remember this hatred before that shit came out.

[Earlshog]

To this day I still don't get the hatred by Giants fans for Tiki. What exactly did he do so wrong to earn this wrath?

I know he announced he was going to retire at the end of the season, but then it was the fucking sports announcers that had to bring it up every God damn game. The fans should hate the hacks who had to mention that every week, not Tiki who was a damn good player for our team for many years.

Unless I'm missing something else here and that's not the reason for the hatred.

:ohmy:

[TripleSkeet]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/01/19/spags-watch-over-signs-with-saints/


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash:

[KnoxHarrington]

To this day I still don't get the hatred by Giants fans for Tiki. What exactly did he do so wrong to earn this wrath?

I know he announced he was going to retire at the end of the season, but then it was the fucking sports announcers that had to bring it up every God damn game. The fans should hate the hacks who had to mention that every week, not Tiki who was a damn good player for our team for many years.

Unless I'm missing something else here and that's not the reason for the hatred.

Probably this:

Just after his retirement, Barber questioned Giants quarterback and ex-teammate Eli Manning's leadership abilities in an interview before the start of the 2007 season. Barber was quoted as saying that Manning's motivational pre-game speeches sounded "almost comical." According to the New York Daily News, Manning dismissed Barber's critique as irrelevant and questioned the ex-Giant's leadership skills, too. "I'm not going to lose any sleep about what Tiki has to say," Manning said. "I guess I could have questioned his leadership skills last year with calling out the coach and having articles about him retiring in the middle of the season, and [how] he's lost the heart [to play]. As a quarterback you're reading that your running back has lost the heart to play the game and it's about the 10th week. I can see that a little bit at times." Manning went on to lead the Giants to a win over the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLII that season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiki_Barber#Coaching_criticism

[CountryBob]

Remember the players that just kept their mouths shut, never had any media issues and retired after doing an awesome job in the NFL? Seems to be a small % anymore.

[KnoxHarrington]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/01/19/spags-watch-over-signs-with-saints/


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash:

If the Saints can get an even halfway decent defense with that offense they have, they could become a dynasty.

[Snoogans]

For what it's worth, Ray Lucas is a decent analyst for both Rutgers and SNY. He's a little more emotional and loose with his tongue on Rutgers games, but that's actually kind of refreshing.

He does a good job on RU games but sometimes he roots too much. I know he is a rutgers guy but sometimes its a bit weird to hear an announcer start screaming WOOOOOOOOO when rutgers recovers a fumble


To this day I still don't get the hatred by Giants fans for Tiki. What exactly did he do so wrong to earn this wrath?

I know he announced he was going to retire at the end of the season, but then it was the fucking sports announcers that had to bring it up every God damn game. The fans should hate the hacks who had to mention that every week, not Tiki who was a damn good player for our team for many years.

Unless I'm missing something else here and that's not the reason for the hatred.

:ohmy:

Its because tiki was an asshole in the locker room. He thought he was better than people, he taught the young guys to look out for only themselves because he looked out for only himself. He told jacobs to stop running people over cause he was gonna get hurt and that if he wanted to play a long time, he had to dance around guys. Jacobs started to run like a faggot after that. There is some other little shit with young guys he did.

But most importantly, it was after he left that he really made the fans hate him. goin on rippin guys, rippin eli, rippin coughlin who fuckin saved tiki's career when he couldnt hold onto a fuckin football. more than anything the guy is just a douche

[cougarjake13]

If the Saints can get an even halfway decent defense with that offense they have, they could become a dynasty.



Are they expecting Gregg Williams to leave ?

[Snoogans]

Are they expecting Gregg Williams to leave ?

they fired him

[underdog]

Are they expecting Gregg Williams to leave ?

I think he went to the Rams with Fischer.

[HBox]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/01/19/spags-watch-over-signs-with-saints/


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash:

Oh good. I'm just gonna make out with this gun as I caress the trigger.

[Snoogans]

Oh good. I'm just gonna make out with this gun as I caress the trigger.

at least you can just bring back Juan Castillo

[Tenbatsuzen]

To this day I still don't get the hatred by Giants fans for Tiki. What exactly did he do so wrong to earn this wrath?

I know he announced he was going to retire at the end of the season, but then it was the fucking sports announcers that had to bring it up every God damn game. The fans should hate the hacks who had to mention that every week, not Tiki who was a damn good player for our team for many years.

Unless I'm missing something else here and that's not the reason for the hatred.

Tiki announced his intention to retire in OCTOBER. The season wasn't even halfway over yet. He made it about himself.

To be honest, I see the reason WHY he retired - he was generally injury-free and wanted to maintain his health - but I think the way he went about it was wrong.

[HBox]

at least you can just bring back Juan Castillo

Or I can take over as DC. Really no difference.

[cougarjake13]

they fired him



Wow totally didn't hear about that
I didn't even catch it on the crawl

[cougarjake13]

Tiki announced his intention to retire in OCTOBER. The season wasn't even halfway over yet. He made it about himself.

To be honest, I see the reason WHY he retired - he was generally injury-free and wanted to maintain his health - but I think the way he went about it was wrong.



If he wulda just said he is retiring and said none of those other comments he probably wouldn't hated right now

[Tenbatsuzen]

If the Saints can get an even halfway decent defense with that offense they have, they could become a dynasty.

Does a Dynasty really count if there's 2+ years that pass since the last championship?

Only one year elapsed during the Patriots dynasty. Same with the Yankees Dynasty. No one has referred to Pittsburgh being a dynasty even though they've won 2 in recent memories.

The 49ers, considered the "team of the 80s", but a significant amount of time passed between championships.

Even if the Patriots go all the way this year, I don't think you can call that part of the Early 2000s Dynasty. It's like the Yankees win in 2009. Too much time has passed and the cast isn't the same.

[cougarjake13]

Does a Dynasty really count if there's 2+ years that pass since the last championship?

Only one year elapsed during the Patriots dynasty. Same with the Yankees Dynasty. No one has referred to Pittsburgh being a dynasty even though they've won 2 in recent memories.

The 49ers, considered the "team of the 80s", but a significant amount of time passed between championships.

Even if the Patriots go all the way this year, I don't think you can call that part of the Early 2000s Dynasty. It's like the Yankees win in 2009. Too much time has passed and the cast isn't the same.


I think he's saying the years to come not necessarily including the past championship

[HBox]

Has anyone been to ESPN.com today? They picked the worst picture of Eli ever. He looks like he's eyeing a 4 year old to molest.

[Gutter]

To this day I still don't get the hatred by Giants fans for Tiki. What exactly did he do so wrong to earn this wrath?

I know he announced he was going to retire at the end of the season, but then it was the fucking sports announcers that had to bring it up every God damn game. The fans should hate the hacks who had to mention that every week, not Tiki who was a damn good player for our team for many years.

Unless I'm missing something else here and that's not the reason for the hatred.

From my understanding they dont like that he overly called out the coach, the team and Eli multiple times when he was a commentator. I think he also picked against them a few times in big games. I dont remember much more then that unless they hate him now because all the shit he did in his personal life with his family but that could just be to pile on since I remember this hatred before that shit came out.


This was the big issue. His first lines on camera as a desk jockey were about how Eli isn't a leader and he can't control the offense and isn't good enough to bring the team to the championship game and how he's a joke in the locker room. First chance he got, just to make a name for himself he threw Eli right under the bus.

Well, fuck Tiki because that very season the Giants won the Super Bowl, after which, Tiki had the distinct pleasure to interview Eli right after the game. When he asked what was different this year that allowed them to win, Eli stuck it right in his smug fucking face again with the line, "Well Tiki, I think we just finally had the right guys on the field and the right mentality in the locker room".

[cougarjake13]

The 49ers, considered the "team of the 80s", but a significant amount of time passed between championships.


miners won in 81 84 88 89
So prob the last two wuld be considered dynasty but back then teams stayed together longer
A lot of the same guys were on those champ teams I know rice missed the first one or two and I'm sure there's other main guys not there for all

With the patriots I think Brady is the only guy left off maybe kind of branch but he left and came back

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think he's saying the years to come not necessarily including the past championship

Fair enough, but in a general sense, what defines a dynasty? Obviously it's 3+ championships, but what's the timeline designation? 3+ in five years? Six years?

Wikipedia counts the 49ers of the 80s as a Dynasty.

Personally, if the Patriots win it all this year, I don't think it should count towards their dynasty years, although the Boston sports fans are so fucking insufferable, they'll go IT'S TAWM BRADEE AND COACH BELLICHICK, IT COWNTS!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Has anyone been to ESPN.com today? They picked the worst picture of Eli ever. He looks like he's eyeing a 4 year old to molest.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0120/nfl_u_manning20_mb_576.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

Maybe Eli's getting ready to do his Bill Cosby impression?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmwlhdZhh21qhvruc.gif

[cougarjake13]

Fair enough, but in a general sense, what defines a dynasty? Obviously it's 3+ championships, but what's the timeline designation? 3+ in five years? Six years?

Wikipedia counts the 49ers of the 80s as a Dynasty.

Personally, if the Patriots win it all this year, I don't think it should count towards their dynasty years, although the Boston sports fans are so fucking insufferable, they'll go IT'S TAWM BRADEE AND COACH BELLICHICK, IT COWNTS!


I'd say def 3 out of 4 or 5

Or like the early steelers run where they did 4 out of 6


Had the pats beat the giants in 07 I think you could count that as it wulda been 4 out of 7

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'd say def 3 out of 4 or 5

Or like the early steelers run where they did 4 out of 6


Had the pats beat the giants in 07 I think you could count that as it wulda been 4 out of 7

If the Patriots did win, I would have counted it towards the dynasty, and then if they went all the way this year, I probably would have counted that. Winning extends the clock.

[cougarjake13]

If the Patriots did win, I would have counted it towards the dynasty, and then if they went all the way this year, I probably would have counted that. Winning extends the clock.

I disagree there even if they won in 07 this yr wuld be 4 yrs from that with hardly any of the same guys
Also it's not even the same decade anymore

[Tenbatsuzen]

I disagree there even if they won in 07 this yr wuld be 4 yrs from that with hardly any of the same guys
Also it's not even the same decade anymore

Decade doesn't make a difference. It's the length of time, not the segmentation of it.

And for what it's worth, didn't the 07 team have a lot of different personnel from the dynasty teams?

[cougarjake13]

Decade doesn't make a difference. It's the length of time, not the segmentation of it.

And for what it's worth, didn't the 07 team have a lot of different personnel from the dynasty teams?

It does when they're 4 yrs apart

Like if the 1990 49ers didn't lose to the giants and went on to win that super bowl id count it since it wulda been 3 in a row but also close like if they won in 88 n 90 but not 89 I'd count it

So if the 09 patriots woulda won then I'd say u culd count this yrs team with it if both won


07 pats did have some turnover from the 3 outta 4 team ESP welker n moss but there was still plenty of others
This yr u got Brady branch maybe some o lineman ? N that's it

[hanso]

Ty for the Pack's OC Epo, Fins new HC, now if only he brings the QB coach and the back up QB we got something.

[spoon]

Ty for the Pack's OC Epo, Fins new HC, now if only he brings the QB coach and the back up QB we got something.

Interesting and crazy last few weeks for that guy huh?

I would HAVE to think this would make Miami the early fav for Flynn right now too.

[Snacks]

I read something that said Flynn will only succeed if he goes somewhere that has an offense like GB has. Now that we have his former off cord I wouldnt mind getting him and he might still be on the cheaper end maybe around $5-$7 mill a year? I cant see him getting Kolb money or Cassel since they at least started enough to prove somewhat their worth. He has only 1 start so far.

Im not too happy with their choice as HC but its better then the guy from Den. WTF were they thinking the guy just coached tebow and before that he coached Delhome and Moore in Car. That doesnt prove to me he was a good offensive coach. I just cant believe Miami cant sign a bigger named guy like Gruden. I didnt want Fischer and Im very happy we didnt sign him but it was a slap in Miamis face that he chose STL over Miami.

Maybe this guy turns into the next great HC? Who knows I hope so but losing Nolan as the def cord sucks.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Kinda makes me think Philbin wasn't that close to his son.

Just seems odd. Surprised Snacks isn't coming up with some weird ass theory. TWO WEEKS IS PLENTY OF GRIEVING TIME FOR A 20 YEAR OLD SON

[Snoogans]

just to settle this. In my opinion (and i think what it used to mean before the media started haphazardly throwing shit around) is 3 in a row. 3 in a row is a dynasty to me, and thats it. Otherwise, its just back to back. @ and then missed one and then won again, sorry. need 3 in a row

[Snacks]

Kinda makes me think Philbin wasn't that close to his son.

Just seems odd. Surprised Snacks isn't coming up with some weird ass theory. TWO WEEKS IS PLENTY OF GRIEVING TIME FOR A 20 YEAR OLD SON

No I dont make excuses for my team like you do every time your shit team does something. Im actually very real with my team. That being said there is no wait time. He coached last weekend why cant he take a job he probably always wanted? Fighters fight, coaches coach, players play and most people move on with their lives as hard as it may be. This might be the distraction he needs? Who am I to tell someone how to live their life or if they are or are not still grieving. Obviously that is your job and business to decide for everyone else. He probably is still grieving and will be forever. Didnt Dungy bury his son and go right back to coaching and the playoffs?

[Tenbatsuzen]

No I dont make excuses for my team like you do every time your shit team does something. Im actually very real with my team. That being said there is no wait time. He coached last weekend why cant he take a job he probably always wanted? Fighters fight, coaches coach, players play and most people move on with their lives as hard as it may be. This might be the distraction he needs? Who am I to tell someone how to live their life or if they are or are not still grieving. Obviously that is your job and business to decide for everyone else. He probably is still grieving and will be forever. Didnt Dungy bury his son and go right back to coaching and the playoffs?

I was busting balls. That said, if I was close to my son and he died in a freak accident, I wouldn't be coaching the next weekend, I'll tell you that much.

[TripleSkeet]

just to settle this. In my opinion (and i think what it used to mean before the media started haphazardly throwing shit around) is 3 in a row. 3 in a row is a dynasty to me, and thats it. Otherwise, its just back to back. @ and then missed one and then won again, sorry. need 3 in a row

No way. At least not in football. Has any NFL team ever won 3 Super Bowls in a row??? For an NFL dynasty I would count 3 titles in 10 years. Thats why when they talk about dynasties its always:

60s Packers
70s Steelers
80s 49ers
90s Cowboys
00's Patriots

[PapaBear]

I often have a problem naming a decade 70's, 80's, 90's, etc. It's kind of arbitrary in many ways. Like music and fashion... Look at what was around in the 90 or 91, and you'd call it "80's".

If you just go by three wins a ten year period, then the Redskins would be a dynasty with a record of 3-1. And I know there are plenty of people here who would rather eat shit, than call the Skins a dynasty.

[Snoogans]

No way. At least not in football. Has any NFL team ever won 3 Super Bowls in a row??? For an NFL dynasty I would count 3 titles in 10 years. Thats why when they talk about dynasties its always:

60s Packers
70s Steelers
80s 49ers
90s Cowboys
00's Patriots

3 in 10 years? Maybe ill give you that in todays NFL, but still you need at least 3 in 5 years at most. not this 10 shit. the giants won in 07 season, if they win in 11 season, then win again in 5 years, thats not a fuckin dynasty. its retarded. but the NFL didnt have a salary cap til the mid 90s. no cap means you can do what you want. So its 3 in a row. Like baseball, you need 3 in a row. I dont give a fuck.

The Ming Dynasty in china was consecutive. it wouldnt be the ming dynasty if 2 mings ran shit, then a chong took over and then another ming got it. it wouldnt work that way


3 in a row bitches. PERIOD

[PapaBear]

Yeah. If you used ten years, then you could have 3 different dynasties in a single decade.

[hanso]

Interesting and crazy last few weeks for that guy huh?

I would HAVE to think this would make Miami the early fav for Flynn right now too.

This could save many daft picks in an effort to trade up also.

I read something that said Flynn will only succeed if he goes somewhere that has an offense like GB has. Now that we have his former off cord I wouldnt mind getting him and he might still be on the cheaper end maybe around $5-$7 mill a year? I cant see him getting Kolb money or Cassel since they at least started enough to prove somewhat their worth. He has only 1 start so far.

Im not too happy with their choice as HC but its better then the guy from Den. WTF were they thinking the guy just coached tebow and before that he coached Delhome and Moore in Car. That doesnt prove to me he was a good offensive coach. I just cant believe Miami cant sign a bigger named guy like Gruden. I didnt want Fischer and Im very happy we didnt sign him but it was a slap in Miamis face that he chose STL over Miami.

Maybe this guy turns into the next great HC? Who knows I hope so but losing Nolan as the def cord sucks.

Wanted Marty Schottenheimer HC Chud OC and get RG3 QB. This combo could help almost any team in need.

[Snacks]

This could save many daft picks in an effort to trade up also.



Wanted Marty Schottenheimer HC Chud OC and get RG3 QB. This combo could help almost any team in need.

Since Miami wont be drafting a QB in the 1st round I hope they go after Russell Wilson from Wisc. The more I look at his career the more I like this kid. I also like the old man from ok st. hes 28 but damn he throws a pretty pass and has worked with stud wrs at ok st. he was the guy throwing it to them so he has to have some talent.

[Snoogans]

Since Miami wont be drafting a QB in the 1st round I hope they go after Russell Wilson from Wisc. The more I look at his career the more I like this kid. I also like the old man from ok st. hes 28 but damn he throws a pretty pass and has worked with stud wrs at ok st. he was the guy throwing it to them so he has to have some talent.

the problem with the "old man" is that you still need a couple years for an NFL system and all the checks and shit to really sink in and become natural to a QB, and by then he is at least 30. you might get 2 or 3 years and then need to look for a new guy. Thats a tough road.

As for Wilson, i think its a great idea, as long as you have a coach who doesnt mind having a small QB. He is only like 5'11, thats the one problem for him going. Otherwise, for how well he runs, the threw the ball really well in college. Not alot of wobblers and underthrows. Usually in good rhythm, and the only reasons his stock dropped other than the height was most teams thought he was gonna play baseball for the rockies. he wasnt a trouble guy or head case or anything. I think that would be a great call for miami, especially since you can prob get him in the 3rd round or with a moderately small trade up and so you can still use your first 2 picks on best available kinda guys

[Snoogans]

I read something that said Flynn will only succeed if he goes somewhere that has an offense like GB has. Now that we have his former off cord I wouldnt mind getting him and he might still be on the cheaper end maybe around $5-$7 mill a year? I cant see him getting Kolb money or Cassel since they at least started enough to prove somewhat their worth. He has only 1 start so far.

Im not too happy with their choice as HC but its better then the guy from Den. WTF were they thinking the guy just coached tebow and before that he coached Delhome and Moore in Car. That doesnt prove to me he was a good offensive coach. I just cant believe Miami cant sign a bigger named guy like Gruden. I didnt want Fischer and Im very happy we didnt sign him but it was a slap in Miamis face that he chose STL over Miami.

Maybe this guy turns into the next great HC? Who knows I hope so but losing Nolan as the def cord sucks.
i know you guys wont keep him, and the fans probably would be pissed, but i dont think Matt Moore was that bad for you guys. From what i saw, he actually did a pretty fuckin good job running your team. If you guys have the money and the pieces are available to sure up the defense a bit and get a really good running game, i dont think matt moore being the QB would keep you from being able to compete and win games. I kinda like the guy

[Snoogans]

I was busting balls. That said, if I was close to my son and he died in a freak accident, I wouldn't be coaching the next weekend, I'll tell you that much.

what are you gonna do, sit around and be sad while time goes by really slow and you feel in agony? I think its good he coached. It lets him be around alot of guys who really cared about him, and it lets him get to think about something else for a few hours. Its not like he is suddenly gonna forget the GB play book or how to use the fuckin radio.

Going back to doing your daily thing is one of the best things people can do to help them heal from something traumatic

[sailor]

No way. At least not in football. Has any NFL team ever won 3 Super Bowls in a row??? For an NFL dynasty I would count 3 titles in 10 years. Thats why when they talk about dynasties its always:

60s Packers
70s Steelers
80s 49ers
90s Cowboys
00's Patriots

raiders won 3 in 8 years...

[PapaBear]

raiders won 3 in 8 years...
Doesn't count, if they couldn't figure out where they lived. But it's still a flawed argument to begin with.

[cougarjake13]

I read something that said Flynn will only succeed if he goes somewhere that has an offense like GB has. Now that we have his former off cord I wouldnt mind getting him and he might still be on the cheaper end maybe around $5-$7 mill a year? I cant see him getting Kolb money or Cassel since they at least started enough to prove somewhat their worth. He has only 1 start so far.

Im not too happy with their choice as HC but its better then the guy from Den. WTF were they thinking the guy just coached tebow and before that he coached Delhome and Moore in Car. That doesnt prove to me he was a good offensive coach. I just cant believe Miami cant sign a bigger named guy like Gruden. I didnt want Fischer and Im very happy we didnt sign him but it was a slap in Miamis face that he chose STL over Miami.

Maybe this guy turns into the next great HC? Who knows I hope so but losing Nolan as the def cord sucks.


Only problem is Green Bay is going to sign him and then trade him and have a franchise tag and getting it shitload more than five or 7 million

[Snacks]

Only problem is Green Bay is going to sign him and then trade him and have a franchise tag and getting it shitload more than five or 7 million

thats originally what I thought too but then it came out that GB isnt going to franchise him so who knows. hw do you give a guy with 2 career starts $10 mil a year?

[Snoogans]

thats originally what I thought too but then it came out that GB isnt going to franchise him so who knows. hw do you give a guy with 2 career starts $10 mil a year?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-boZKA2kg6hQ/TdSLkLaWnnI/AAAAAAAAAHw/6w6T-hXWrbo/s1600/sam-bradford-rams.jpg

I didnt have any

[Snacks]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-boZKA2kg6hQ/TdSLkLaWnnI/AAAAAAAAAHw/6w6T-hXWrbo/s1600/sam-bradford-rams.jpg

I didnt have any

Bradford was a rookie and you know those are different scenarios especially back when he came out they were overpaid. Flynn was a 7th round pick to be honest I still would keep Henne. I just like him I dont think he has ever been given fair shot with a good coach. I would resign Henne and see what he could do with an offensive minded head coach who spreads it out. He would be real cheap and imo worth another look.

[epo]

Bradford was a rookie and you know those are different scenarios especially back when he came out they were overpaid. Flynn was a 7th round pick to be honest I still would keep Henne. I just like him I dont think he has ever been given fair shot with a good coach. I would resign Henne and see what he could do with an offensive minded head coach who spreads it out. He would be real cheap and imo worth another look.

There is a possibility that GB franchise tags Flynn, but I doubt it as Jermichael Finley also needs a contract.

I would bet good money that Miami grabs Flynn.

[cougarjake13]

thats originally what I thought too but then it came out that GB isnt going to franchise him so who knows. hw do you give a guy with 2 career starts $10 mil a year?



U prob don't unless u have a deal in place with someone for a trade But then u run the risk of the trade not going thru and u have a 10 mil backup qb

[Tenbatsuzen]

what are you gonna do, sit around and be sad while time goes by really slow and you feel in agony? I think its good he coached. It lets him be around alot of guys who really cared about him, and it lets him get to think about something else for a few hours. Its not like he is suddenly gonna forget the GB play book or how to use the fuckin radio.

Going back to doing your daily thing is one of the best things people can do to help them heal from something traumatic

Everybody grieves differently. I was just saying if it was my son, and we were close, I wouldn't be coaching. But I'm not Joe Philbin.

[Snacks]

There is a possibility that GB franchise tags Flynn, but I doubt it as Jermichael Finley also needs a contract.

I would bet good money that Miami grabs Flynn.

Thats what I read that GB was going to franchise Finley!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Random thought:

The guy in the Visa "Bring 10 friends to the Super Bowl"... he's only bringing 7.

11 tickets:

1) The Winner
2) Himalayas Guy
3) Pats fan who wears the helmet
4) Me-Ma
5) Carly
6) Guy from the Store
7) Carwash Guy 1
8) Carwash Guy 2

And sorry, guy from the store, if I won Super Bowl tickets, I'm not taking your ass, I actually have friends and family who want to go. And why isn't his grandfather going?

[spoon]

what are you gonna do, sit around and be sad while time goes by really slow and you feel in agony? I think its good he coached. It lets him be around alot of guys who really cared about him, and it lets him get to think about something else for a few hours. Its not like he is suddenly gonna forget the GB play book or how to use the fuckin radio.

Going back to doing your daily thing is one of the best things people can do to help them heal from something traumatic

exactly this

and let's be honest, tenbats wasn't "busing balls", he was being himself

[newport king]

So im leaning ravens +7.5 and id take ny if it was +3.5 but only 2.5 pushes me toward SF. Everything tells me to lay off...but come on. Thoughts?

[Snacks]

So im leaning ravens +7.5 and id take ny if it was +3.5 but only 2.5 pushes me toward SF. Everything tells me to lay off...but come on. Thoughts?

I like SF- 2 buy it down and I like Balt with the points. Everyone seems to think NE def is good from what happened last week against a shitty Den team. They are 31st for a reason. Balt has a much better def. Another thing is many think Balt offense isnt that good because they looked avg against hou. Hou had the #1 ranked def most of the year and finished I believe 3rd overall. NE hasnt beaten a team with a winning record all year and Balt has beaten NE 2 straight times in NE. I think the last time Balt lost to NE was the game that they really should have won but their asshole D cord (REX?) or head coach called time out as NE didnt convert their 4th down the season NE went undefeated during the regular seaon! I think Balt wins outright but that all being said nothing ever surprises me when it comes to NE and I wouldnt be surprised if NE won in a blow out. I just think its more likely Balt win 27-24!

[TripleSkeet]

I like New England but they probably wont cover. If theres any justice in the world, Baltimore will be up 4 with 2 minutes to go and Brady will drive them down the field throwing the game winning touchdown with 10 seconds left to whatever receiver Ed Reed is covering.

[Snacks]

why would that be justice because ed reed is a beast?

[hanso]

So im leaning ravens +7.5 and id take ny if it was +3.5 but only 2.5 pushes me toward SF. Everything tells me to lay off...but come on. Thoughts?

Well it went down from folks picking SF, That's been my pick all along. They did well at end, mini shoot out. Three TD's in four minutes.

Never liked ATL and there was no measuring stick there other then rolling them over. Which I'm not sure NY did.

[epo]

Thats what I read that GB was going to franchise Finley!

Exactly.

Think of it this way: GB will like get a 3rd round compensatory pick for losing Flynn.

Now would you rather lose Flynn, get a 3rd rounder and keep Finley...or lose Finley, get a 3rd rounder, franchise Flynn & get a 2nd rounder for him?

Even with the balls he drops, keep Finley & take the comp for Flynn.

[hanso]

Exactly.

Think of it this way: GB will like get a 3rd round compensatory pick for losing Flynn.

Now would you rather lose Flynn, get a 3rd rounder and keep Finley...or lose Finley, get a 3rd rounder, franchise Flynn & get a 2nd rounder for him?

Even with the balls he drops, keep Finley & take the comp for Flynn.

Does Flynn want to be a starter?

[epo]

Does Flynn want to be a starter?

Yep. It's the fair thing to let him go and take the compensation. We've gotten a great return on investment for a 7th rounder.

Tag Finley and don't get greedy.

[hanso]

Epo I just found out the ABA Fla. team had been the Min. Muskies. It's NBA throwback night tonight.

[keithy_19]

Random thought:

The guy in the Visa "Bring 10 friends to the Super Bowl"... he's only bringing 7.

11 tickets:

1) The Winner
2) Himalayas Guy
3) Pats fan who wears the helmet
4) Me-Ma
5) Carly
6) Guy from the Store
7) Carwash Guy 1
8) Carwash Guy 2

And sorry, guy from the store, if I won Super Bowl tickets, I'm not taking your ass, I actually have friends and family who want to go. And why isn't his grandfather going?

What if the guy at the store was your friend?

And maybe his grandfather died.

And maybe he's just a lonely guy working a dead end office job full of people he doesn't like. Minus Carly, who he just eye fucks and makes awkward small talk with.

Or maybe his friends are out of town.

[cougarjake13]

Does Flynn want to be a starter?

No he wants to be Jim fucking sorgi his whole life

[Tenbatsuzen]

What if the guy at the store was your friend?

And maybe his grandfather died.

And maybe he's just a lonely guy working a dead end office job full of people he doesn't like. Minus Carly, who he just eye fucks and makes awkward small talk with.

Or maybe his friends are out of town.

His grandfather is clearly visible when he calls Me-Ma.

Apparently, the long-form version of the commercial has him marrying Carly.

In Indianapolis.

In the middle of Winter.

That's why he's in a unbuttoned tux when they all walk into the game.

So not only did he not invite Grandpa the superbowl, he didn't invite him to an awkward, rushed wedding as well.

As for "friends being out of town" - apparently, he got one of his friends to comeback from FUCKING NEPAL to go the game.

[Tenbatsuzen]

No he wants to be Jim fucking sorgi his whole life

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3ZJuj_RcIcI/RxO8DIjXZcI/AAAAAAAAAfE/dcEtxwOsAnQ/s320/2600.jpg

Works for me!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I had to watch the extended commercial, but apparently there's a sister with her son (nephew) and another friend who works in Japan, and that rounds out the 11.

[Judge Smails]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/alden97/sgo6ch.png?t=1327207689

[cougarjake13]

Awesome!!

[Snacks]

The other day someone mentioned the times of the games what about days? I keep thinking that 1 or 2 years we had 1 title game on a Sat and then the other on Sun? Im probably wrong and just confusing it with the div round but.

[PapaBear]

The other day someone mentioned the times of the games what about days? I keep thinking that 1 or 2 years we had 1 title game on a Sat and then the other on Sun? Im probably wrong and just confusing it with the div round but.
I think I remember it being that way, too. But I think they may have changed it further back than last year.

[spoon]

is this nfl talk or some devolving thread on a gay commercial?

only tenbats could post this much on something so fucking trivial and uninteresting

start a thread on it and how often you douche already and get it over with

[spoon]

The other day someone mentioned the times of the games what about days? I keep thinking that 1 or 2 years we had 1 title game on a Sat and then the other on Sun? Im probably wrong and just confusing it with the div round but.

Honestly, I like that idea much better as the NFL would DOMINATE the weekend and we'd all have something good to watch both days.

[PapaBear]

If the Conference playoffs were both days, I'd only like it if both games were at night. For me, it's very disappointing when there's only one game, and it's played during the day. But that's just me. I'm a night person.

[spoon]

If the Conference playoffs were both days, I'd only like it if both games were at night. For me, it's very disappointing when there's only one game, and it's played during the day. But that's just me. I'm a night person.

well you know I'm with you on that one

[hanso]

I like not having the break leading to the SB. Keep the gears in motion.

[Kevin]

I like not having the break leading to the SB. Keep the gears in motion.



Eh, with the hectic weeks that are between say week 15-through the champ games for most teams, I as a fan like that break to calm my nerves leading up to the SB.

When my team is involved.


Just a little respite from the nerves and what not, otherwise yea i agree just get it over with.

[Kevin]

I would like to say that before the Giants 49ers game.

Due to my actions of last week... UNLIKE some other sore loser that showed cockiness and arrogance the entire year. I accept and deserve any ridicule and mockery that is coming to me, if the Giants do lose today.

Which is a possibility because the 49ers are a talented and well coached team.

I KNOW that any team in this league can get beat any given game, again, UNLIKE someone else...

When you give it, you have to be able to take it.

My confidence is indeed NOT adorable..

[Gvac]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/OnionEli.jpg

[Kevin]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/OnionEli.jpg

Was this made like 5 years ago?

Because the way he has played, thats pure rubbish...

[Kevin]

Is he still a doufus?

Sure..

But I don't think he should be mocked like he did when he was a doufus and mediocre..

[Gvac]

I just saw it on the Onion today and figured it was good for a giggle.

Besides, I've hated the Giants since I was a toddler.

GO NINERS!!!

[Kevin]

I just saw it on the Onion today and figured it was good for a giggle.

Besides, I've hated the Giants since I was a toddler.

GO NINERS!!!

Ah yes, I remember your odd hate for the Giants...

[sailor]

Neck works. Ha!

[Kevin]

Neck works. Ha!

I found that funny too.

Doesn't Cooper have probs with his neck, or is it spine?

[sailor]

I found that funny too.

Doesn't Cooper have probs with his neck, or is it spine?

Something like that. Took me a second to realize they meant Peyton and not him.

[hanso]

Bill burr missed the Pat's score by just 2 points last game.





Hey Niners D when Elli calls Oklahoma....Rush!

[hanso]

Was this made like 5 years ago?

Because the way he has played, thats pure rubbish...

How could it be with the 'Neck works' comment? (Found that funny also).

[sailor]

Fuck, I left the room after the int; how'd NE get the ball back?

[razorboy]

Fuck, I left the room after the int; how'd NE get the ball back?

Illegal contact past five yards before the interception.

[Crispy123]

**internet psychic** **internet psychic**

final score 34:10 New England.

[sailor]

Illegal contact past five yards before the interception.

Fuck.

Baltimore has no reason to lose, but NE always scares me.

[Kevin]

When Joe Flacco cuts you up, you got problems.

[TripleSkeet]

why would that be justice because ed reed is a beast?


Because Ed Reed talked shit on Flacco this week. Basically telling him to stay out of he way and the defense will win it for them.

[HBox]

Because Ed Reed talked shit on Flacco this week. Basically telling him to stay out of he way and the defense will win it for them.

He didn't say anything even remotely like that. He basically said that Flacco and the O-Line need to play better for them to win.

[sailor]

Fuck, welker got lucky on that muff.

[TripleSkeet]

He didn't say anything even remotely like that. He basically said that Flacco and the O-Line need to play better for them to win.



Yea he said a few more things like that too. Doesn't matter I'm rooting for New England anyway. Baltimore is a fucking boring team to watch. Them against either SF or NY means a good chance of a boing fucking game in 2 weeks.

[razorboy]

The football players serenading fans commercial is fucking awful.

[sailor]

**internet psychic** **internet psychic**

final score 34:10 New England.

21-0 second half? Ballsy.

[Jayw]

The football players serenading fans commercial is fucking awful.

Cringe-worthy

[Jayw]

Patriots better cover this fucking spread... (-7)

[Snacks]

I know Flacco sucks but this team cant catch passes right in their hands.

[sailor]

I'd be surprised if he didn't step out, but way to show only shitty replays.

[TripleSkeet]

Motherfucker. How the fuck do you let Torrey Smith get around you there? The only weapons Baltimores got is him and Ray Rice. Stack the line and double cover that fuck!

[Crispy123]

21-0 second half? Ballsy.

hmmm. psychicness isn't an EXACT science.

[sailor]

Motherfucker. How the fuck do you let Torrey Smith get around you there? The only weapons Baltimores got is him and Ray Rice. Stack the line and double cover that fuck!

Pitta's been pretty good today.

[razorboy]

Nice ball security mighty mouse.

[TripleSkeet]

You gotta be fucking kidding me Danny Woodhead.

[HBox]

Well now. This game is gonna really interesting now.

[sailor]

2nd time NE has let the ball on the ground during a return. Fuck yeah.

[Gvac]

LOVING this game.

[Snacks]

Motherfucker. How the fuck do you let Torrey Smith get around you there? The only weapons Baltimores got is him and Ray Rice. Stack the line and double cover that fuck!

I guess Boldin sucks? Their TE Pitta no good either? Lee Evans is shit too I guess?

[Snacks]

that 3 int Brady should have.

[disneyspy]

that 3 int Brady should have.

na ,he only threw that one up there cuz he knew it was an off sides

[TripleSkeet]

I guess Boldin sucks? Their TE Pitta no good either? Lee Evans is shit too I guess?



They aren't doing dick. The announcers are going nuts because Evans has 3 catches. Get real.

[TripleSkeet]

na ,he only threw that one up there cuz he knew it was an off sides



Exactly. He knew he had a free play in his pocket.

[Kevin]

Is anyone else extremely annoyed by the over acting of that black guy in that beer commercial where typically guess the 1st play of the 4th qter?

Who would even react like that?

[disneyspy]

Exactly. He knew he had a free play in his pocket.

and baby he's ready to roaaar

[Snacks]

They aren't doing ick. The announcers are going nuts because Evans has 3 catches. Get real.

yeah but you said those other 2 were the only weapons! They have many more weapons!

[sailor]

Clearly down.

[TripleSkeet]

yeah but you said those other 2 were the only weapons! They have many more weapons!

But they aren't using them. That's my point.

[Snacks]

But they aren't using them. That's my point.

But they are Pitta has 4 catches and a TD. Boldin 2 for 41 yards and Evan 3 for 39 yards. Seems like they are using them.

[Kevin]

But they aren't using them. That's my point.

That's part of the QBs fault you can't be throwing to the same guys all game. You need to be good enough to see an open wr even when a play for them isn't called.