2011-12 NFL Season

[Kevin]

Maybe nobody really watched Asomghua because he was in Oakland, because the is fucking terrible.

[spoon]

I haven't watched this whole game, but what I have seen lends me to agree with boxy. That call on Babin was iffy at best and add to it the "late hit" on Hester too, while it's not being called the same the other way at all.

[Kevin]

Good throw.

[spoon]

Good throw.

tebow toss

[Kevin]

I haven't watched this whole game, but what I have seen lends me to agree with boxy. That call on Babin was iffy at best and add to it the "late hit" on Hester too, while it's not being called the same the other way at all.

The prob is did the ref see the guy push Babin, because if he did not, it looked like a clear cut roughing.

Whats wrong with the Philly WRs, are they just too short?

[underdog]

Maybe nobody really watched Asomghua because he was in Oakland, because the is fucking terrible.

I don't think he ever had anyone who was even slightly decent across from him, so they just never threw to his side. He's getting thrown at a LOT more this year.

[HBox]

Asomugha is a great CB, I think the trouble he's having this year is catching on to the system. When he's been beat, which isn't often, it's because he's out of position. QBs still barely throw in his direction.

Rodgers-Cromartie, however, has been eaten alive tonight.

[spoon]

The prob is did the ref see the guy push Babin, because if he did not, it looked like a clear cut roughing.

Whats wrong with the Philly WRs, are they just too short?

the problem with that is he's paid to watch and see things like that

bad call, especially since it wasn't even that late regardless

[HBox]

And there he goes making me look like an asshole. He was fucking all over him too. Why hold?

[spoon]

that's great coverage from the island (hence no call)

[keithy_19]

that is an absolute riot.

I fucking love this guy.

[spoon]

Yet the Eagles have helped Chicago out a ton too. Like Jackson's STUPID late fumble. It was probably a 10 pts swing, definitely 7.

[spoon]

Here's where we'll see a TON of Vick running, and probably some pain coming his way.

[spoon]

pretty much just as I hit enter

[spoon]

with this eagles D, they might be moving too fast right now

I know they have to score first, but man I wouldn't want to give that ball back to the Bears up one with 1 minute left.

[spoon]

nice throw

[HBox]

You know, it's like every announcer doesn't want to blame the QB for anything. Maclin was wide open, Vick had little pressure and threw it way too high. Maclin was lucky to catch it. That had to be on Vick.

[Kevin]

Philly is back baby.

After beating 2 scrubs ESPN deemed them unstoppable again.

Not so much...

[Dell]

dream team...more like dream ream

[spoon]

jackson had a pretty awful game

[TripleSkeet]

Heres the problems with the Eagles...

They have a TON of talent on offense, but they make some of the biggest, dumbest, costliest mistakes Ive ever seen. They are on pace to set a record for yardage in a season. But they have no discipline. Too many mental fucking errors.

Add to that...

- The linebackers and safeties couldnt stop a fucking nosebleed.
- Their defensive coordinator is in over his head and has no idea how to put his players in the position to get the best out of them. They refuse to give up on this fucking Wide 9 defense and its horrendous.
- They have rookies for kicker AND punter. The kicker they wont let even try 50 yarders, and apparently they think the punter is a good choice for throwing a pass on a fake punt.
- They are so gung ho on not paying Desean Jackson and not looking bad for it, that they are phasing him out of the offense. Jeremy Macklin does not have the speed to outrun the defense on the bombs Vick was connecting with Jackson with last year, yet they have given him Jacksons routes on those plays.

Im so over Andy Reid. I really am. Bitch about Coughlin all you want, at least he got you guys a ring.

[Kevin]

Heres the problems with the Eagles...

They have a TON of talent on offense, but they make some of the biggest, dumbest, costliest mistakes Ive ever seen. They are on pace to set a record for yardage in a season. But they have no discipline. Too many mental fucking errors.

Add to that...

- The linebackers and safeties couldnt stop a fucking nosebleed.
- Their defensive coordinator is in over his head and has no idea how to put his players in the position to get the best out of them. They refuse to give up on this fucking Wide 9 defense and its horrendous.
- They have rookies for kicker AND punter. The kicker they wont let even try 50 yarders, and apparently they think the punter is a good choice for throwing a pass on a fake punt.
- They are so gung ho on not paying Desean Jackson and not looking bad for it, that they are phasing him out of the offense. Jeremy Macklin does not have the speed to outrun the defense on the bombs Vick was connecting with Jackson with last year, yet they have given him Jacksons routes on those plays.

Im so over Andy Reid. I really am. Bitch about Coughlin all you want, at least he got you guys a ring.

Judging by the way he BARLEY made a 47ydr, they shouldn't allow him to kick 50yders.

[Snacks]

Heres the problems with the Eagles...

They have a TON of talent on offense, but they make some of the biggest, dumbest, costliest mistakes Ive ever seen. They are on pace to set a record for yardage in a season. But they have no discipline. Too many mental fucking errors.

Add to that...

- The linebackers and safeties couldnt stop a fucking nosebleed.
- Their defensive coordinator is in over his head and has no idea how to put his players in the position to get the best out of them. They refuse to give up on this fucking Wide 9 defense and its horrendous.
- They have rookies for kicker AND punter. The kicker they wont let even try 50 yarders, and apparently they think the punter is a good choice for throwing a pass on a fake punt.
- They are so gung ho on not paying Desean Jackson and not looking bad for it, that they are phasing him out of the offense. Jeremy Macklin does not have the speed to outrun the defense on the bombs Vick was connecting with Jackson with last year, yet they have given him Jacksons routes on those plays.

Im so over Andy Reid. I really am. Bitch about Coughlin all you want, at least he got you guys a ring.

Why dont you give Andy Reid a call and tell him how to make these fixes? Im sure you know him or someone you know knows him!

[TripleSkeet]

Why dont you give Andy Reid a call and tell him how to make these fixes? Im sure you know him or someone you know knows him!

What do I say to him? "Fire yourself"?

[TripleSkeet]

Judging by the way he BARLEY made a 47ydr, they shouldn't allow him to kick 50yders.

If he cant do the job then why let go of Akers? Whos making 50 yarders still like its no problem? If this kid doesnt have the leg to make 50 yarders as a rookie, theres no reason for him to be on the team.

[Snoogans]

What do I say to him? "Fire yourself"?

offer him some cheesesteaks or a bucket of chicken or something. when you give it to him, then let him have it. maybe he will hire you to be assistant head coach or something, since experience doesnt seem to matter with their coaching staff

[Kevin]

If he cant do the job then why let go of Akers? Whos making 50 yarders still like its no problem? If this kid doesnt have the leg to make 50 yarders as a rookie, theres no reason for him to be on the team.

I agree.

Im just saying the conditions last night was basically perfect and he just squeaked in a 47yder, not a yd to spare.

You can't have him as your kicker as an east coast team, esp games in the meadow lands.

[TripleSkeet]

offer him some cheesesteaks or a bucket of chicken or something. when you give it to him, then let him have it. maybe he will hire you to be assistant head coach or something, since experience doesnt seem to matter with their coaching staff

Rumor is they are going to sign Haynesworth. A move I wanted before the season, but after seeing him this season....:wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

X2! I LOVE the close.

"You are a factory of sadness!...I'll see you Sunday."

:lol:

its fucking great

but whats weird is i have no clue of what its like to be that guy

assuming he's a fan of all cleveland sports teams, not only has he never seen a winner in his life 2 of 3 havent won a title since the 50s and the other never

ive been lucky to see the giants win 3 out of 4 super bowls, mets 1 of 2 world series, and rangers stanley cup


hes seen the browns blow cock for years, then blow elways cock , back to just blowing cock, then watching art modell blow baltimores cock and move the team only to win a super bowl a few years later and then get his browns back only to blow cock again cept for a 10 win derek anderson miracle season

along with championship title losses by cavs and indians

so sad

[spoon]

so what you're saying is, Cleveland loves cock?

[danlaroe]

so what you're saying is, Cleveland loves cock?

I thought he was married

<--- once tweeted by @iamcolinquinn

[spoon]

grover cleveland?...nah he's dead

[A.J.]

so what you're saying is, Cleveland loves cock?

http://listentoleon.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cleveland_brown.jpg

[Crash]

Jacoby Ford is on my fantasy team...

...they're mugging him!!!!!!

[Crash]

Jacoby Ford is on my fantasy team...

...they're mugging him!!!!!!

[Jacoby Ford gets driven off on the cart]

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[spoon]

HOLY SHIT!?!

SD and Rivers threw to the kid Brown!

ABOUT TIME!

That's from last week, but man they are finally getting this kid involved and you can see why I've been pissed it took SD so long. Oh and he was fucking ROBBED on that bs call for what should have been his second TD of the night/his career.

Thankfully, Oakland's D sucks too so SD got the td regardless. Too bad SD can't run on their atrocious run defense.

[Snacks]

That's from last week, but man they are finally getting this kid involved and you can see why I've been pissed it took SD so long. Oh and he was fucking ROBBED on that bs call for what should have been his second TD of the night/his career.

Thankfully, Oakland's D sucks too so SD got the td regardless. Too bad SD can't run on their atrocious run defense.

Is V Jax playing tonight? Im not watching the game but I know he has no catches, did he get hurt or something?

[spoon]

Is V Jax playing tonight? Im not watching the game but I know he has no catches, did he get hurt or something?

Nope, just equal parts Rivers throwing him shitty passes and vjax playing like shit.


oh and way to call a game Norv, 13 rushes SPLIT amongst two guys to establish that run game against an AWFUL run d

Yah!

[spoon]

add to that rivers looks like fucking shit overall partly bc the O line sucks/is decimated and allowing him to be hit over and over

so yah, line up and bomb away you pock faced fuck

[spoon]

Can they just fire him please.

Otherwise, this season is jut a fucking waste of time...again.

I was just a week early on my call for Oakland taking the division lead. Snoogans, still convinced Sd will win the division?

[TripleSkeet]

Cousin Sal said it best "I will learn Mandarin before I figure out how to bet the AFC West."

[spoon]

just put your money on SD underachieving and you're golden pony boy

[Kevin]

just put your money on SD underachieving and you're golden pony boy

Pencil you for the division too though?

[hanso]

[Jacoby Ford gets driven off on the cart]

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Hey Bay Bay can be the deep threat again now?

[spoon]

Pencil you for the division too though?

it very well could happen, just don't expect much to come of it

yet I think Turner has sunk his claws in deep enough now that playoffs went from sure thing, to very possible, to now very easily missed as the division is a continuous shit river

[spoon]

did i mention fire norv?

[PapaBear]

did i mention fire norv?
When the change of heart? I thought he was your man.

[spoon]

When the change of heart? I thought he was your man.

are you pulling a sailor?

[PapaBear]

are you pulling a sailor?
I know this board has a reputation, but I don't swing that way.

[TripleSkeet]

it very well could happen, just don't expect much to come of it

yet I think Turner has sunk his claws in deep enough now that playoffs went from sure thing, to very possible, to now very easily missed as the division is a continuous shit river

Im still trying to figure out which team is doing less with more. My team or yours.

[spoon]

Im still trying to figure out which team is doing less with more. My team or yours.

Good battle, and many years in the past I would give the nod to SD. Yet this year, it has to be Philadelphia.

[spoon]

either of that or Green Bay of course

[disneyspy]

FUCK!! why does phil fuckin sims have to be announcing todays cowboy game?

[spoon]

FUCK!! why does phil fuckin sims have to be announcing todays cowboy game?

why does he have to announce ANY fucking game!?

what's the over under on eli and sanchez comments forced into the conversations!?

[Crash]

Tebow - Rushing TD.

[spoon]

yah, kc didn't prepare I guess for his "qb" abilities

i've never seen a team go back and fro bt good and bad so often

I'm sure we'll hear how good tebow is from his fandom/tenbats, even though he's played garbage in terms of comp/d of late. Oh and it must be bc the team/coach isn't behind him right...trash that concept bc they look like a fucking backyard game/college team on offense and will get DESTROYED by any D worth their salt.

[brettmojo]

Buffalo is getting destroyed.

[disneyspy]

man at the last second i sat laurent robinson and put in antonio browno of pitt,someone kick my ass,HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!

[sailor]

No better qb than romo in the league today.

[HBox]

I'm sure part of the idea behind sitting DeSean Jackson today was to send him a message by running the offense without missing a step and sending him a message that he better tone down his contract demands. It is not working out that way,

[Kevin]

21 fucking nothing.

Great team the Jets beat last week.

Huge win.

[cougarjake13]

21 fucking nothing.

Great team the Jets beat last week.

Huge win.

and everyone swore this wasnt the same old bills


o well

[disneyspy]

ha david nelson of the bills scores a TD and gives the ball to his girlfriend,A DALLAS COWBOYS CHEERLEADER!

[cougarjake13]

ha david nelson of the bills scores a TD and gives the ball to his girlfriend,A DALLAS COWBOYS CHEERLEADER!

did he propose ?

[spoon]

I'm sure part of the idea behind sitting DeSean Jackson today was to send him a message by running the offense without missing a step and sending him a message that he better tone down his contract demands. It is not working out that way,

his contract demands? come on, this was bc the guy isn't even fucking showing up on the field, minus huge fumbles, and now he doesn't bother to show up to practices too

the guy has been an idiot laden with amazing athletic skills forever. he'll always be the guy who can make a HUGE play in either direction, even a bad direction after running it all the way to the end zone only to lose the ball at the last second. blame the guy for not showing up in practice, bc the team had pretty much no choice but to stand by their rules.

[spoon]

ha david nelson of the bills scores a TD and gives the ball to his girlfriend,A DALLAS COWBOYS CHEERLEADER!

fine that asshole

zzzzzzzz

[Kevin]

his contract demands? come on, this was bc the guy isn't even fucking showing up on the field, minus huge fumbles, and now he doesn't bother to show up to practices too

the guy has been an idiot laden with amazing athletic skills forever. he'll always be the guy who can make a HUGE play in either direction, even a bad direction after running it all the way to the end zone only to lose the ball at the last second. blame the guy for not showing up in practice, bc the team had pretty much no choice but to stand by their rules.

I understand being late because your alarm didnt go off, but miss the ENTIRE meeting?

And a ST one where you were God Awful in last game,

[spoon]

I understand being late because your alarm didnt go off, but miss the ENTIRE meeting?

And a ST one where you were God Awful in last game,

this is the guy who does flips to enter the end zone and loses the ball

he's not smart

[HBox]

his contract demands? come on, this was bc the guy isn't even fucking showing up on the field, minus huge fumbles, and now he doesn't bother to show up to practices too

the guy has been an idiot laden with amazing athletic skills forever. he'll always be the guy who can make a HUGE play in either direction, even a bad direction after running it all the way to the end zone only to lose the ball at the last second. blame the guy for not showing up in practice, bc the team had pretty much no choice but to stand by their rules.

I think if he was already signed long term they wouldn't sit him since they really can't afford to lose any more games. But either way I'm sure they were hoping that the offense would run fine today and they could use it against him.

[spoon]

i don't get how they could use that against him?

explain

bc not many could use one game, much less one against zona, as the end all be all in contract negs

to me, his full year's body of work speaks louder than anything that does or doesn't happen today and the inactive is more a message sent that he needs to grow the fuck up and isn't above the team bc he's fast.

[Kevin]

I think if he was already signed long term they wouldn't sit him since they really can't afford to lose any more games. But either way I'm sure they were hoping that the offense would run fine today and they could use it against him.

Im sorry Boxy, you're usually pretty on it but this you are def way off.

Here is a team with all the expectations, getting basically embarrassed and laughed at by the league. Pressure that THEY put on themselves btw,

They are going to sit their best WR to save a few shekels? And be even more of a league wide joke by losing?

In a week when we saw accountability in an organization not be there (I know its not NEARLY the same thing) I have to applaud the Eagles org for doing what they feel is right.

[cougarjake13]

i don't get how they could use that against him?

explain

bc not many could use one game, much less one against zona, as the end all be all in contract negs

to me, his full year's body of work speaks louder than anything that does or doesn't happen today and the inactive is more a message sent that he needs to grow the fuck up and isn't above the team bc he's fast.

they really couldnt use it against him cause he can and prob will find plenty of teams who will sign him for the money he wants if the eagles drop him or he's a free agent, not sure what his contract status is

your second point is prob more accurate but he might just suck it up and wait to leave rather then learn anything from it

[Tenbatsuzen]

21 fucking nothing.

Great team the Jets beat last week.

Huge win.

Seriously? The Giants BARELY beat the bills. Worry about your own business.

[Kevin]

Seriously? The Giants BARELY beat the bills. Worry about your own business.

We didn't scream to the world that we beat an awesome team.

[spoon]

it's the nfl, a win is a win for either team

obviously though, it's a much bigger win for the Jets bc it was in division and losing would have dug them a pretty shitty hole to get out of

[spoon]

and buf is better this year sure, but their d still sucks and they simply aren't that good on the road

that's their next two steps to becoming a truly solid NFL contender. i just don't see it happening this year. perhaps with a few good interior dl and cbs added in the offseason through fa and the draft will help in the years to come, bc the O has some very nice pieces in place

[sailor]

Vick needs to start getting a better grip on the ball.

[spoon]

Vick needs to start getting a better grip on the ball.

yah, and take it out of the devil's hand

[sailor]

I thought that was the browns, not the falcons.

[spoon]

I thought that was the browns, not the falcons.

say what now?

[sailor]

say what now?

Falcons jerseys look like the browns. Are they some throw-back?

[Tenbatsuzen]

We didn't scream to the world that we beat an awesome team.

Excuse me? Remind me, what happened after the Patriots game?

[spoon]

until that ERIC DECKER TD, Tebow was 1 for 7 for 13 yards 5 minutes into the 4th qtr.

wow kc, you really have to be awful to lose to THAT

and yah, sd lost to kc !

[Tenbatsuzen]

until that ERIC DECKER TD, Tebow was 1 for 7 for 13 yards 5 minutes into the 4th qtr.

wow kc, you really have to be awful to lose to THAT

and yah, sd lost to kc !

I know there's a lot of anti-Tebow sentiment, but I didn't know he was calling the plays now too.

[spoon]

Excuse me? Remind me, what happened after the Patriots game?

the giants took a decent the lead in the NFC East?

[spoon]

I know there's a lot of anti-Tebow sentiment, but I didn't know he was calling the plays now too.


ahahahahahahah!


ahahahahahahah!

you simply can't be serious or NEVER watched this kid throw a fucking ball in your life

[disneyspy]

THE COWBOYS ARE KILLING AN AWESOME TEAM!!

how bout them cowboys

[brettmojo]

THE COWBOYS ARE KILLING AN AWESOME TEAM!!

how bout them cowboys
It'd be more exciting if it wasn't the Bills.

When the hell did Kansas City start doing the tomahawk chop?

[spoon]

THE COWBOYS ARE KILLING AN AWESOME TEAM!!

how bout them cowboys

Funny thing is, the cowboys don't play a good team again until fucking 12/11 at HOME against the Giants. So unless they have a Romo blow-up (sexy to bmojo I know), I expect them to become a decent player in the NFC playoff race.

[Kevin]

Giants really miss Steve Smith

[disneyspy]

Funny thing is, the cowboys don't play a good team again until fucking 12/11 at HOME against the Giants. So unless they have a Romo blow-up (sexy to bmojo I know), I expect them to become a decent player in the NFC playoff race.

now that they have a running game they could be dangerous,i'm starting to get excited about football again

[spoon]

not me

[A.J.]

At this point, the Skins should just start Graham Gano at QB. HE has a better chance of scoring a TD than Grossman or Beck.

At the very least, he could just hand off to the RBs so they could get him into FG range.

[spoon]

vick never learns

[Kevin]

Where is this fucking BUM Skeletor throwing?

And no it wasn't an awesome play by Ndambi

[disneyspy]

vick never learns

has he ever lasted a full season?

[spoon]

Where is this fucking BUM Skeletor throwing?

And no it wasn't an awesome play by Ndambi

it was a nice play bc he continued to watch the qb and broke on his throw versus most dbs that would have had their back to the ball

[spoon]

has he ever lasted a full season?

back earlier in his career sure, but yah anyone would get banged up as a qb running this much and hit this often even when he stays in the pocket

[weekapaugjz]

THE COWBOYS ARE KILLING AN AWESOME TEAM!!

how bout them cowboys

the bills are far from an awesome team.

[sailor]

until that ERIC DECKER TD, Tebow was 1 for 7 for 13 yards 5 minutes into the 4th qtr.

wow kc, you really have to be awful to lose to THAT

and yah, sd lost to kc !

Oak lost to Tebow (huge collapse) AND kc (a blow-out). Who can figure that crappy division out?

[spoon]

Oak lost to Tebow (huge collapse) AND kc (a blow-out). Who can figure that crappy division out?

pretty much any team in the playoffs from another division it seems

[Kevin]

Im sorry you get paid like a top corner you have to be on Fitz to end the game.

[spoon]

really fox 5?

fucking unbelievably stupid!

[brettmojo]

really fox 5?

fucking unbelievably stupid!
http://ocdeals.ocregister.com/files/2011/08/DirecTV-logo.jpg

[HBox]

Im sorry you get paid like a top corner you have to be on Fitz to end the game.

Juan Castillo is an incompetent bum. How do you leave a rookie SS alone on Larry Fitzgerald on ANY play of the game, let alone the fourth quarter.

[spoon]

http://ocdeals.ocregister.com/files/2011/08/DirecTV-logo.jpg

thanks smart ass

not allowed at my townhouse

but yah, thanks for the 1999 heads up

[brettmojo]

Once again Andy Reid's team doesn't appear to be playing with any sense of urgency at the end of a game.

[HBox]

Once again Andy Reid's team doesn't appear to be playing with any sense of urgency at the end of a game.

It better not be Andy Reid's team for much longer.

[Tenbatsuzen]

really fox 5?

fucking unbelievably stupid!

That's an NFL rule, not a TV rule.

[spoon]

bottom line, IN THE LEAST, go split screen with the first game that was on for fucking 3+ hours

the nfl and fox couldn't be more wrong on how they handled it

[brettmojo]

Pick by Vick.. Excellent.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I wonder what Juan Castillo saw in the Linc's showers.

[HBox]

bottom line, IN THE LEAST, go split screen with the first game that was on for fucking 3+ hours

the nfl and fox couldn't be more wrong on how they handled it

To be fair that was a shit game to watch.

[Tenbatsuzen]

bottom line, IN THE LEAST, go split screen with the first game that was on for fucking 3+ hours

the nfl and fox couldn't be more wrong on how they handled it

That's why RedZone is so important.

[spoon]

It better not be Andy Reid's team for much longer.

man, just on this board I'd say most people want their coach gone asap!

[spoon]

That's why RedZone is so important.

and that's why fox sucks balls too, bc it's allowed there so why not fight for it here

oh and red zone not on cablevision bc dolan is an asshole and won't carry the NFL channel

[disneyspy]

i super surprised up here,fox still has the OT game on and not the lions

[spoon]

To be fair that was a shit game to watch.

but come on, after all that you don't see the final game winning td bc of contractual (bs) agreements?! that's a dropped ball on the NFL and Fox's part.

[sailor]

Of course it's not a fumble after the forward progress was stopped. Have these guys ever announcers ever watched a game?

[Kevin]

man, just on this board I'd say most people want their coach gone asap!

My team is 6-2 and i STILL want coughlin and Gilbride gone.

[spoon]

Of course it's not a fumble after the forward progress was stopped. Have these guys ever announcers ever watched a game?

eh, that's a very touchy call to me

could have easily been ruled a fumble

bc if he broke free and ran for 20 more yards, that counts...and it wasn't one of those plays clearly over as the wideout was pushed 10 yards back by 3 dbs




and wow atlanta, dumb call

[sailor]

eh, that's a very touchy call to me

could have easily been ruled a fumble

bc if he broke free and ran for 20 more yards, that counts...and it wasn't one of those plays clearly over as the wideout was pushed 10 yards back by 3 dbs




and wow atlanta, dumb call

I can see that,but they never considered that was an option. They were focused on the knee and it should have been obvious the refs weren't saying he was down before the ball came out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

and that's why fox sucks balls too, bc it's allowed there so why not fight for it here

oh and red zone not on cablevision bc dolan is an asshole and won't carry the NFL channel

That's the whole point. NFL owns RedZone and doesn't want to dilute the power of that by offering free looks at games.

Also, the Giants fans don't care about the Eagles game, they just want to watch the Giants play. It would be more important if the Eagles were a threat, but they aren't.

As for Redzone, If you have a verizon smart phone you can watch it that way.

[Kevin]

I had no idea candlestick stadium was still up.

But i guess its Cali..

They don't have money to pay bills let alone build stadiums.

[spoon]

That's the whole point. NFL owns RedZone and doesn't want to dilute the power of that by offering free looks at games.

Also, the Giants fans don't care about the Eagles game, they just want to watch the Giants play. It would be more important if the Eagles were a threat, but they aren't.

As for Redzone, If you have a verizon smart phone you can watch it that way.

ok first off, it wasn't a free look, it was the EARLY GAME! The whole game should be televised and I can't help you if you can't see the reasoning behind that.

next, cablevision is pretty much out on an island around here in it's dispute with the NFL and the cost of it's channel. and giant fans don't want to watch the eagles suffer again this week!? you really are insane. as a charger fan, I could watch the raiders or denver lose any week of the year! unfortunately it's sd doing their share of losing...hopefully at the expense of the hc

[spoon]

oh and I'm not watching football on my fucking phone sorry

most people aren't like you in masturbating to their smart phone and aps

[Kevin]

ok first off, it wasn't a free look, it was the EARLY GAME! The whole game should be televised and I can't help you if you can't see the reasoning behind that.

next, cablevision is pretty much out on an island around here in it's dispute with the NFL and the cost of it's channel. and giant fans don't want to watch the eagles suffer again this week!? you really are insane. as a charger fan, I could watch the raiders or denver lose any week of the year! unfortunately it's sd doing their share of losing...hopefully at the expense of the hc

Yea, i was PISSED when they switched.

I would have LOVED to see that Vick pick live.

[Tenbatsuzen]

ok first off, it wasn't a free look, it was the EARLY GAME! The whole game should be televised and I can't help you if you can't see the reasoning behind that.



See the problem for the Giants and Niners home markets?

[Tenbatsuzen]

oh and I'm not watching football on my fucking phone sorry

most people aren't like you in masturbating to their smart phone and aps

I'm MATTY, not MEXI, Spoon.

[spoon]

Yea, i was PISSED when they switched.

I would have LOVED to see that Vick pick live.

what, a giant fan cared!? why would matty lie? why?

oh yah, anything to disagree or make those he doesn't see eye to eye wrong...that much he's admitted. it has nothing to do with facts or proof, just his bias

[Tenbatsuzen]

what, a giant fan cared!? why would matty lie? why?

oh yah, anything to disagree or make those he doesn't see eye to eye wrong...that much he's admitted. it has nothing to do with facts or proof, just his bias

Lets say on the opening kickoff, a Giants player breaks for a TD. You don't think the Giants fans wouldn't be pissed that they're still stuck watching the Eagles?

You first blame Fox for cutting away, which is wrong, and for the *most part*, Giants fans want to see THEIR game. Not the Eagles.

[spoon]

See the problem for the Giants and Niners home markets?

yes, again split screen and hold up the games as they do with the dual monday night games in week one. or at worst, alternate channels to wrap up the games as has been done with the likes of espn and tnt/tbs in the past too.


it's not that hard



and did we really have to hear stupid pam oliver shit out of her mouth on the sideline after commercials versus the ending of the fucking game!?

I love the constant idiotic stances you take just to be, well, you.



There isn't one person that doesn't know it's their system, I just think it fucking sucks but there's the douche to rear it's ugly fat face again.

[spoon]

Lets say on the opening kickoff, a Giants player breaks for a TD. You don't think the Giants fans wouldn't be pissed that they're still stuck watching the Eagles?

You first blame Fox for cutting away, which is wrong, and for the *most part*, Giants fans want to see THEIR game. Not the Eagles.

:wallbash:


never mind matt


great coverage and wrap up to the early game! Loved hearing those commercials for the 10th time for the day and Pam Oliver on the sidelines versus the end to the game with no drama at all.

[Kevin]

Lets say on the opening kickoff, a Giants player breaks for a TD. You don't think the Giants fans wouldn't be pissed that they're still stuck watching the Eagles?

You first blame Fox for cutting away, which is wrong, and for the *most part*, Giants fans want to see THEIR game. Not the Eagles.

No we wouldn't be, because guess what,, THERE IS A FULL GAME TO GO.

We hate Philly normally and love watching them lose.

But this year is DOUBLE great because of the hype and dream team stuff.

The only team i take more glee in losing is yours.

[disneyspy]

one of the things i like about redzone is the picture and sound are better than regular cable

and i'm not stuck watching the lions,god i hate the fuckin lions

[spoon]

one of the things i like about redzone is the picture and sound are better than regular cable

and i'm not stuck watching the lions,god i hate the fuckin lions

how so on the pic and sound?

that doesn't seem to make much sense

[disneyspy]

how so on the pic and sound?

that doesn't seem to make much sense

on my cable system its HD,i thought it was that way for everyone

edit-i believe they downgrade the signal here to make you spend the extra 10 bucks to get HD

[spoon]

on my cable system its HD,i thought it was that way for everyone

but aren't the other games too?

whenever I see red zone at my dad's it's no different from the other games individually

[disneyspy]

but aren't the other games too?

whenever I see red zone at my dad's it's no different from the other games individually

see i dont have the HD package(i have to really watch my budget) but redzone is in HD,i have to turn the sound down when switching from local to RZ but all 7 speakers have the crowd noise,refs,announcers ect

[Tenbatsuzen]

yes, again split screen and hold up the games as they do with the dual monday night games in week one. or at worst, alternate channels to wrap up the games as has been done with the likes of espn and tnt/tbs in the past too.


And as I already said - doing a split screen devalues the Redzone product.

The reason there was a split on the monday night game was because they were both national games.

[Kevin]

Hey Giants 2ndary.

HOW ABOUT COVERING SOMEONE ON 3RD DOWN.

[disneyspy]

And as I already said - doing a split screen devalues the Redzone product.

The reason there was a split on the monday night game was because they were both national games.

but before there was a redzone they still cut away to local markets games

[spoon]

it has nothing to do with red zone

[Tenbatsuzen]

No we wouldn't be, because guess what,, THERE IS A FULL GAME TO GO.

We hate Philly normally and love watching them lose.

But this year is DOUBLE great because of the hype and dream team stuff.

The only team i take more glee in losing is yours.

Oh please. If the Eagles won and there was a kickoff return, you'd be losing your fucking mind.

[spoon]

onside kick!?

wow

[TripleSkeet]

Im sorry Boxy, you're usually pretty on it but this you are def way off.

Here is a team with all the expectations, getting basically embarrassed and laughed at by the league. Pressure that THEY put on themselves btw,

They are going to sit their best WR to save a few shekels? And be even more of a league wide joke by losing?

In a week when we saw accountability in an organization not be there (I know its not NEARLY the same thing) I have to applaud the Eagles org for doing what they feel is right.

I know Im behind on this but Im gonna let you in on a few things. The Eagles have been phasing this fucking guy out of their offense since the start of the season. Its not that hes not showing up, its just like with their defense, they are changing how they use him and not utilizing his talents. See all those deep pass routes he was burning teams with last year? Yea, they all go to Macklin now, who doesnt have the speed to break free and catch them.

Its all because Andy Reid doesnt think hes that valuable, and doesnt want to get a ton of shit when they let him walk next year. All hes got to do is point to this season and to show hes not worth it.

But you cant point it out because Andy Reid knows everything and never admits hes wrong. Just like our wide receivers were good enough in 2002 and 03, an offensive line coach can go right to D Coordinator, and linebackers arent that important. I cant even express how badly I want this fat fuck gone as head coach.

[Tenbatsuzen]

but before there was a redzone they still cut away to local markets games

I know. But that's also the point - now that NFL has this service to offer, they REALLY have no incentive to show non-local games all the way through.

There may have been some incentive before - but now there's absolutely no reason to show the full game when a local game goes on.

[Tenbatsuzen]

it has nothing to do with red zone

It's all about money. For both the NFL (in selling redzone to cable carriers) and the local networks (who have sold ad spots during the game to local advertisers).

That's the reason there's a cutaway. So fans can watch their whole games and the affiliates can make their money.

[spoon]

yes matt, everyone gets that concept but it's still bullshit (the red zone point is completely bs)...not to mention the ads aren't any cheaper and viewership down if they cover the end of the first game




oh and why did Philly go with a rookie and let their awesome kicker go again? was it that one bad game when his daughter was really sick that made Reid say time to let the guy walk?

i just don't get a lot of the Eagle moves

[TripleSkeet]

yes matt, everyone gets that but it's still bullshit (minus the redzone point)...not to mention the ads aren't any cheaper and viewership down if they cover the end of the first game




oh and why did Philly go with a rookie and let their awesome kicker go again? was it that one bad game when his daughter was really sick that made Reid say time to let the guy walk?

i just don't get a lot of the Eagle moves

Welcome to my world.

[spoon]

i just said don't force it after that drop and sure enough, oof

not good manning

[Snacks]

yes matt, everyone gets that concept but it's still bullshit (the red zone point is completely bs)...not to mention the ads aren't any cheaper and viewership down if they cover the end of the first game




oh and why did Philly go with a rookie and let their awesome kicker go again? was it that one bad game when his daughter was really sick that made Reid say time to let the guy walk?

i just don't get a lot of the Eagle moves

I thought he didnt accept their offer not that they let him go.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/697707-philadelphia-eagles-david-akers-leaving-the-nest

[sailor]

yes matt, everyone gets that concept but it's still bullshit (the red zone point is completely bs)...not to mention the ads aren't any cheaper and viewership down if they cover the end of the first game




oh and why did Philly go with a rookie and let their awesome kicker go again? was it that one bad game when his daughter was really sick that made Reid say time to let the guy walk?

i just don't get a lot of the Eagle moves

Kickers are rarely respected by coaches. Established guys regularly get cut for rookies. Almost always seems shortsighted to me.

[spoon]

interesting on the akers info

[spoon]

wow, baltimore literally shitting on the field

[Kevin]

You know what Spoon..

How could we be so stupid.

Matty is once again right.

How dare I as a Giant fan know more about How I and Giant fans feel more than Matty does.

I think Jet fans hate watching the Pats lose, and think Fireman Ed has Aids.

No no, don't say anything, I KNOW what Jet fans think and want.

[spoon]

uh, ok?

:unsure:

[Kevin]

uh, ok?

:unsure:

Shut up butthead.

[spoon]

nice toss there nervous feet

[spoon]

how is it the chicago/det game isn't even to halftime yet?

[Tenbatsuzen]

You know what Spoon..

How could we be so stupid.

Matty is once again right.

How dare I as a Giant fan know more about How I and Giant fans feel more than Matty does.

I think Jet fans hate watching the Pats lose, and think Fireman Ed has Aids.

No no, don't say anything, I KNOW what Jet fans think and want.

If you are saying that if the Eagles won and you missed an explosive return because they stayed with the Eagles game and you wouldn't care, you're full of shit.

[Tenbatsuzen]

how is it the chicago/det game isn't even to halftime yet?

They put Suh on trial for nearly decapitating Cutler.

[spoon]

but, but...he met with the league and all is well now

[Kevin]

What a throw there by Eli.

[spoon]

it's about time he got me a td

didn't he get my text I really need him and the giant defense to get me some points?

[disneyspy]

it's about time he got me a td

didn't he get my text I really need him and the giant defense to get me some points?

frank gore is killing me,thankfully the guy i'm playing has the ravens D

[Kevin]

I don't care what the score is, the Giants D has been terrible today.

Giving up huge yards almost every play.

They should be down by at least 3 tds.

[TripleSkeet]

Kickers are rarely respected by coaches. Established guys regularly get cut for rookies. Almost always seems shortsighted to me.

Especially considering just about every year teams are begging old as dirt retired kickers to come out of retirement and play.

[disneyspy]

holy shit what a fight going on in chicago right now,about 4 differnt groups going at it

[spoon]

not getting this call in the giant game, but it worked...somehow

[Kevin]

Harbaugh has had 2 of the worst challenges i have ever seen

[Kevin]

not getting this call in the giant game, but it worked...somehow

When your D has been giving up big plays all game, you had to do it.

[epo]

holy shit what a fight going on in chicago right now,about 4 differnt groups going at it

I can't believe that the Lions are such douchebags that they made me cheer for the goddamned Bears.

[weekapaugjz]

nice kick!

:lol:

[spoon]

Keep me in the loop guys, at a concert

What happened on that kick?

[weekapaugjz]

folk missed a 24-yard field goal.

[spoon]

Nice. Must be the play calling right matty!

[weekapaugjz]

gostkowski just nailed a 50-yarder.

[spoon]

That's bc the pat's are much better coached.

[weekapaugjz]

ochocinco for 53 yards. in the redzone.

[weekapaugjz]

brady missed woodhead in endzone. gost with 35-yarder.

[spoon]

Coach of the year?

[hanso]

gostkowski just nailed a 50-yarder.

That would be good news if 4 of my fantasy starters didn't leave the game today.


No wang chung tonight could favor the Jets.

[spoon]

And I thought ocho fell out of a pickup? He's alive?

[spoon]

6 from my kicker almost immediately is a good thing. Beer time!

[weekapaugjz]

i hope you spill it on yourself.

[spoon]

Im gonna spill it bt ur fat goalie tits some day up there when I play/sub for ur team! Don't worry though, I like tit beer!

[JimBeam]

How was that not pass interference on the 2nd down play before the 2nd FG ?

The guy made contact and he never looked back to the ball.

Seemed textbook to me.

[TripleSkeet]

From Twitter

@PeytonsHead
#SNF It's like the Pats Defense is Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez is a toe....they are all over him.

[weekapaugjz]

jets D forced a safety.

nice try on that block, woodhead.

[Kevin]

Beckett was pitching a great game until he gave up that 2 run Hr to Wright.

[weekapaugjz]

sanchez with a 3 yard TD run.

and this game is boring as shit.

[spoon]

It's a jet game silly

[Snoogans]

he is so obviously down i bet they dont call him down.

Refs blow

[JimBeam]

Why did the Patriots have to take a timeout after the refs blew that call and then had to review it ?

Whatwas the 10 second runoff about ?

[weekapaugjz]

nice TD catch by gronk

stupid face mask penalty by smith on previous play was costly.

[Snoogans]

Why did the Patriots have to take a timeout after the refs blew that call and then had to review it ?

Whatwas the 10 second runoff about ?

if a guy gets hur tin the last 2 min of a half, and you had no timeouts, they will run 10 seconds off the clock, its to stop guys from faking hurt to stop the clock when you have no timeouts

if you have timeouts, you get the choice to either call one or take the 10 second run off

[JimBeam]

Thanks.

I totally was half-assed waching it and didn't even know about the injury.

[weekapaugjz]

muffed punt. pats ball in the redzone.

[weekapaugjz]

another TD for gronk. no way does that get called back.

nice movement by brady to avoid the rush and the linemen for picking up second blocks.

[weekapaugjz]

huh. gronk stepped out of bounds before the catch.

[weekapaugjz]

gostkowski with another FG.

[weekapaugjz]

i still don't quite get all that went on in that recalled play.

[weekapaugjz]

NE gets a pick off a tipped pass.

greene really needs to make that catch.

[weekapaugjz]

another TD for gronk. for real this time.

[JimBeam]

i still don't quite get all that went on in that recalled play.

It was a mes and the ref never really explained it. Michaels did a good job of getting the answer.

[JimBeam]

That spike wasn't nearly as bad as 98% of the shit you see people do and it was worth 15 yards ?

[weekapaugjz]

i missed the michaels' explanation. what was the deal with the outside of the pocket?

[underdog]

i missed the michaels' explanation. what was the deal with the outside of the pocket?

Once the QB is out of the pocket, you can make more contact with the receivers. The flag for illegal contact wouldn't have stood, because it happened after Brady was out of the pocket.

[weekapaugjz]

never knew about that.

and that should've been picked off.

[JimBeam]

So again how is a spike worse than a 3 second gimiick where you're owing to the crowd after not havig done shit all game ?

[weekapaugjz]

that's a really nice catch by burress.

and that was a huge drive for the jets, puts some pressure on brady to come out and put more points on the board.

[weekapaugjz]

So again how is a spike worse than a 3 second gimiick where you're owing to the crowd after not havig done shit all game ?

it's the unsportsmanlike if it is directed at another player (even though i don't think gronk did it intentionally so close to that jets player).

[weekapaugjz]

welker just got JACKED UP!

[JimBeam]

Colinsworth tounges Revis' ass and then makes an excude for him when he misses a tackle.

He also defended him earlier when Johnson had that big reception.

[weekapaugjz]

nice pick 6!

[spoon]

ha

al just called him sanchize!

[Kevin]

Lets not after one game act like the Pats are the greatest org ever and Billicheck is this mastermind again.

They haven't done shit in 8 years AC (After cheating) And looked awful just last week.

Its amazing how them and the Yankees get overrated every year.

[underdog]

I had no idea Matty was at the game :

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg740/scaled.php?tn=0&server=740&filename=1e1ep.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

[Kevin]

I had no idea Matty was at the game :

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg740/scaled.php?tn=0&server=740&filename=1e1ep.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

HA!

Awesome.

[JimBeam]

Just now catching the days highlights and Matt Staffoed brings a guy to the ground by his helmet, after his 4th INT, and the other player gets kicked out because he retaliated ?

Fuckin' QBs have all the protection in the world and they also get to get away with shit plays w/o getting punished ?

I'm sure he got flagged but it probably offset with the Bear's player's actions.

I'm sure if a player ripped a QB down by the helmet and then that QB got up and retailiated that it'd be offsetting penalities.

More like it'd be 2 penalties on the defense.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The biggest problem the Jets have had in the Rex Ryan era is that they are wildly inconsistent and have shitty games like this.

No excuses, it's just the way it is. I saw a lot of tweets about Jets fans worried about them getting too pumped up and the Pats getting written off, and that's EXACTLY what happened. Not a trap game, just they played like shit.

[spoon]

well what can you say, the twitter world is amazing

what else do those kreskinites say will happen next?



wait, let me guess...the Jets will rebound



bc we all know, it's easy to write off a fucking home game for the GOD DAMN DIVISION LEAD right?! Good news losing twice to NE in a year to lose home field

That's so fucking stupid it's pure Matty.

[Jayw]

brady, dont doubt the man.

[TjM]

HA FUCKING HA

Fucking fraud ass shit talking jack offs

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/11/14/covers/back111411.jpg

[TjM]

http://m.nypost.com/;m=is;f=jpg;k=vNFlIS5ST-Fw9uksLQtJzg;mh=456;mw=326;q=70/rw/nypost/2011/11/14/sports/web_photos/mark_anderson--300x450.jpg

[underdog]

Just now catching the days highlights and Matt Staffoed brings a guy to the ground by his helmet, after his 4th INT, and the other player gets kicked out because he retaliated ?

Fuckin' QBs have all the protection in the world and they also get to get away with shit plays w/o getting punished ?

I'm sure he got flagged but it probably offset with the Bear's player's actions.

I'm sure if a player ripped a QB down by the helmet and then that QB got up and retailiated that it'd be offsetting penalities.

More like it'd be 2 penalties on the defense.

Anyone who retaliates is usually the person who gets the stricter penalty. It's usually the guy who got punched who decides to punch back that gets thrown out.

[JimBeam]

Totally agree but in the hypoithetical, with a penalty against a QB and the QB retaliating, I'm sure it wouldn't work out that way.

[Kevin]

brady, dont doubt the man.



Except in playoff games and against a good pass rush, but other than that you're right.

[spoon]

Jesus kev, u act like he has no history of winning in the league. Not sure if u watched both giant wins, but both could have gone either way/was close the whole way. Settle down man.

[Kevin]

Jesus kev, u act like he has no history of winning in the league. Not sure if u watched both giant wins, but both could have gone either way/was close the whole way. Settle down man.

Come on man, they have lost in the first rd more times in the past 8 years than anyone.

And ANY kind of pass rush he crumbles.

Sorry, Tom Brady is pretty overrated in my book.

Alot like Jeter though Brady is alot better.

He gets treated like Jordan, where he isn't even close.

[joeyballsack]

Come on man, they have lost in the first rd more times in the past 8 years than anyone.

And ANY kind of pass rush he crumbles.

Sorry, Tom Brady is pretty overrated in my book.

Alot like Jeter though Brady is alot better.

He gets treated like Jordan, where he isn't even close.


Yah, just another in the long line of overated QB's like Montana, Elway and Unitas.

Fucking bums.

[Kevin]

Yah, just another in the long line of overated QB's like Montana, Elway and Unitas.

Fucking bums.

Im not saying he isn't a great QB.

But lets not act like he is this guy who wills his team to wins like the others.

All the guys you mentioned could actually handle a pass rush without crumbling.

[Kevin]

He will never win without a 1st ballot HOF C like mangold.

[spoon]

So right now bc getting a good pass rush on a pass heavy team due to a lack of ground game is the best way to play brady he's now not that good? Sorry man, he's once again helping a team with virtually no d and rushing game to a division title, a division mind u the doesn't have west after it. Also, the afc was a tough damn conf up to this year or last arguably, so it's not like losing is some crazy concept in the divisional round...especially whe. U factor in how flawed their recent teams have been and their awesome past success.

[Fallon]

He will never win without a 1st ballot HOF C like mangold.

I may have heard once or a thousand times last night that he's the Jets MVP.

[spoon]

And ur saying u have a good grasp on how montana and unitas handled a pass rush, much less the most recent qb elway?

Come on kev, u barely have seen those guys take a snap before u were 10 in the best case scenario.

[spoon]

I may have heard once or a thousand times last night that he's the Jets MVP.

Yet the jets can't run the ball for shit and sanchez got roughed up all night.

[spoon]

I think cris and al just like his name and it's easy to fall in reporting lines.

[TripleSkeet]

Hes the best QB in the game, hes the best QB in the league the last 10 years, and hes one broken up pass away from being the greatest QB of all time.

[Kevin]

Hes the best QB in the game, hes the best QB in the league the last 10 years, and hes one broken up pass away from being the greatest QB of all time.

The best QB in the past 10 years is Peyton Manning.

And as far as the best in the game right now.

Aaron Rodgers.

Though he does have a ton of talent on offense.

I need Brady to win a SB post cheating in order for me to put him into the greatest QB ever combo.

[JimBeam]

... and hes one broken up pass away from being the greatest QB of all time.

We're gonna use the " almost " argument ?

" If " they don't make that still questionable tuck call who knows if he wins any Super Bowls.

If there's not a phantom tackle and missed FG that year against Pittsburgh who's to say that the Colts don't win it all.

I know the discussion can get heated and it's part of the argument to count rings ( even if the kicker had a lot to do with all 3 of those Super Bowl wins ) but we can't start counting ifs and buts.

[Kevin]

We're gonna use the " almost " argument ?

" If " they don't make that still questionable tuck call who knows if he wins any Super Bowls.

If there's not a phantom tackle and missed FG that year against Pittsburgh who's to say that the Colts don't win it all.

I know the discussion can get heated and it's part of the argument to count rings ( even if the kicker had a lot to do with all 3 of those Super Bowl wins ) but we can't start counting ifs and buts.

If Plaxico doesn't shoot himself, Eli might have 2Sbs.

What were they 11-1 at the time? Coming off a SB title.

Ifs are so stupid.

[TripleSkeet]

The best QB in the past 10 years is Peyton Manning.

And as far as the best in the game right now.

Aaron Rodgers.

Though he does have a ton of talent on offense.

I need Brady to win a SB post cheating in order for me to put him into the greatest QB ever combo.

Tom Brady has accomplished more with less then either of those 2.

And yea, ifs are a big thing. That pass gets broken up, and Brady then has 4 Super Bowl rings, including a 19-0 season. And its not even an argument anymore. Its not fair, I know, but thats the way it is.

[JimBeam]

I can bet that no respected football anaylsyt will ever elevate Brady to the best of all time using the term " if ".

And enough of this crap like Brady won w/ XFL players.

Who the hell were/are Austin Collie, Pierra Garcon, Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne w/o Manning ?

And w/o the best post season kicker ever ( I'd guess you could call him that ) Brady might not win anything.

[Kevin]

I can bet that no respected football anaylsyt will ever elevate Brady to the best of all time using the term " if ".

And enough of this crap like Brady won w/ XFL players.

Who the hell were/are Austin Collie, Pierra Garcon, Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne w/o Manning ?

And w/o the best post season kicker ever ( I'd guess you could call him that ) Brady might not win anything.

Its not even an argument that Peyton Manning is the best QB of this generation.

This year cemented it.

To say otherwise is just insane.

[TripleSkeet]

Its not even an argument that Peyton Manning is the best QB of this generation.

This year cemented it.

To say otherwise is just insane.

I and millions of others disagree. Because his team has no fucking heart at all cements it?

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark are not bums that Peyton Manning made into fucking superstars. Are you guys all smoking dope?

The guy had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James and tons of other weapons his whole career. While with the excpetion of Randy Moss for 2 years, Brady had who? Deion Branch? Troy Brown? Kevin Faulk? LMAO its not even close who had better weapons.

I love that you guys are still trying to give credit for entire Super Bowls to a fucking kicker too. Hilarious.

Also, there are plenty of analysts out there that say Brady is best in the league. Of course none of them pyut him above Montana. Joe Cool has 4 rings and was just stellar. But you would have heard those arguments had that pass been dropped and he completed that 19-0 season. Peyton Manning wouldnt have even been in the conversation.

[newport king]

side note, i'd just like to point out that Vick is fucking horrendous when he isn't running. In my opinion he's really not that much better than Tebow. i don't remember seeing him throw a pass over 20 yards that WASN'T intercepted.

[Kevin]

I and millions of others disagree. Because his team has no fucking heart at all cements it?

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark are not bums that Peyton Manning made into fucking superstars. Are you guys all smoking dope?

The guy had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James and tons of other weapons his whole career. While with the excpetion of Randy Moss for 2 years, Brady had who? Deion Branch? Troy Brown? Kevin Faulk? LMAO its not even close who had better weapons.

I love that you guys are still trying to give credit for entire Super Bowls to a fucking kicker too. Hilarious.

Also, there are plenty of analysts out there that say Brady is best in the league. Of course none of them pyut him above Montana. Joe Cool has 4 rings and was just stellar. But you would have heard those arguments had that pass been dropped and he completed that 19-0 season. Peyton Manning wouldnt have even been in the conversation.

Again with the Ifs.

You and a million others are dead wrong.

The same players Brady had won11 fucking games with Matt Fucking Cassel
Mannings bums ZERO as of now.

Dallas and Reggie have been TERRIBLE without him

Its not even an argument.

[newport king]

i think its more of Manning being pretty much their entire offense, calling plays at the line etc. he's like a coordinator that plays. Whereas Brady plays in a system that wins. I won't play if's, but Manning is more important to his team, but Brady is the better QB.