2011-12 NFL Season

[Snacks]

That's insanity. Dumb people pay to have the same features of exclusivity and ease on yahoo proves it to you? Come on man, when was the last time you even used Yahoo? I get the feeling you're comparing yahoo of 2005 to cbs 2010 or something. I can't be sure, but I've used cbs and to me it's inferior by a MILE.

i havent used yahoo sports in a while but know exactly what the site is about and have seen the fantasy page just a couple of weeks ago. IMO cbs sports paid or free is much better. People are allowed to like something different then you spoon its just the way it is sometimes!

[spoon]

i havent used yahoo sports in a while but know exactly what the site is about and have seen the fantasy page just a couple of weeks ago. IMO cbs sports paid or free is much better. People are allowed to like something different then you spoon its just the way it is sometimes!



Yah, I'm responding to you statements on people paying proves you're argument. It doesn't. If you simple disagreed, so be it. This wasn't the case. And not having used the site in years is NOT knowing "exactly what the site is about". You saw a page, that's your insight to the interface and setup?

Give me an example, at least one, of a feature that yahoo lacks or is too cumbersome in your mind. I'll give you one the other way, paying for features I get for free with TONS of flexibility.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Anybody want a 15 percent off coupon for the NFL Shop?

[Snacks]

Yah, I'm responding to you statements on people paying proves you're argument. It doesn't. If you simple disagreed, so be it. This wasn't the case. And not having used the site in years is NOT knowing "exactly what the site is about". You saw a page, that's your insight to the interface and setup?

Give me an example, at least one, of a feature that yahoo lacks or is too cumbersome in your mind. I'll give you one the other way, paying for features I get for free with TONS of flexibility.

I absolutely hate the set up, lay out, design, the way news or injury reports for players. EVERYTHING. Its like you have to search the entire site to do shit. CBS allows you to have everything right on the league home page and everything you need for your team is right there as well. Simplistic yet has everything and easy to navigate when needed!

[TripleSkeet]

I absolutely hate the set up, lay out, design, the way news or injury reports for players. EVERYTHING. Its like you have to search the entire site to do shit. CBS allows you to have everything right on the league home page and everything you need for your team is right there as well. Simplistic yet has everything and easy to navigate when needed!

I have to agree with this. Right now Im in 2 fantasy baseball leagues. One on Yahoo, One on CBS. I cant even explain how much better the CBS site is. Its like comparing the NFL to Pop Warner football for me.

[hanso]

No you don't you can see an update on your team page. A little dot in the corner. If it's red it is big news good or bad. You can click it to open a pop up box. Never having to leave your team page.

For each player.

Or read them all at once by clicking something at top. I like to use it by the red deal.

[Snoogans]

I have to agree with this. Right now Im in 2 fantasy baseball leagues. One on Yahoo, One on CBS. I cant even explain how much better the CBS site is. Its like comparing the NFL to Pop Warner football for me.

i know its popular to hate them, but ESPN.com does a pretty good job with fantasy football too

[Snacks]

i know its popular to hate them, but ESPN.com does a pretty good job with fantasy football too

I didnt like ESPN either but eventually I will give them another shot for baseball because I love auction leagues and they are the only site that offers them online! My big money fantasy baseball league has been auction for 20 years but we do a live auction and then input them into cbs after we are done. It would be nice to be able to run the auction live online instead of always having to all be together at the same time. Sometimes you 1 person cant make it and this would be so much better!

That all being said if the set up is still the same as it used to be I still might hate it!

[Snoogans]

I didnt like ESPN either but eventually I will give them another shot for baseball because I love auction leagues and they are the only site that offers them online! My big money fantasy baseball league has been auction for 20 years but we do a live auction and then input them into cbs after we are done. It would be nice to be able to run the auction live online instead of always having to all be together at the same time. Sometimes you 1 person cant make it and this would be so much better!

That all being said if the set up is still the same as it used to be I still might hate it!

my football league is auction this year. If i have another spot open ill let you know. gonna send out the invites and see whats up this week

[Snacks]

my football league is auction this year. If i have another spot open ill let you know. gonna send out the invites and see whats up this week

i dont know about auction football never did that but i will try it once. let me know

[TripleSkeet]

i know its popular to hate them, but ESPN.com does a pretty good job with fantasy football too

I dont have anything against ESPN, Ive just never done a fantasy league on there before.

[Snoogans]

I dont have anything against ESPN, Ive just never done a fantasy league on there before.

werent you in my league on ESPN last year?

[underdog]

i know its popular to hate them, but ESPN.com does a pretty good job with fantasy football too

We moved all of our leagues back to ESPN from CBS in my keeper fantasy league. I can't stand Yahoo.

[Snacks]

We moved all of our leagues back to ESPN from CBS in my keeper fantasy league. I can't stand Yahoo.

I personally dont know anyone but spoon who likes yahoo fantasy leagues.

Why did you switch from cbs to espn?

[underdog]

I personally dont know anyone but spoon who likes yahoo fantasy leagues.

Why did you switch from cbs to espn?

The CBS league (baseball, specifically) was getting too pricey. We switched off for hockey a couple years back because they just didn't keep up with it very well.

[TripleSkeet]

werent you in my league on ESPN last year?

Fantasy football? I dont think I was. I only remember being in pick em leagues last year.

[Snoogans]

Fantasy football? I dont think I was. I only remember being in pick em leagues last year.

wow bro. i just checked. you were in and you made like 12 moves. How did you forget

[boobieman]

Are we doing a fantasy football league this year on yahoo...please let me know.



SSEYEYYAAA

[disneyspy]

Are we doing a fantasy football league this year on yahoo...please let me know.



SSEYEYYAAA

BAMA just posted that yahoo is down,i remember reading that they were doing a scheduled maintanance today and too bad you're not a listening threader cuz we're doing one

[TripleSkeet]

wow bro. i just checked. you were in and you made like 12 moves. How did you forget

No idea. Im in about 3 a year not counting baseball. Have been doing it since 95. Sometimes its just a blur.

[Earlshog]

I have to agree with this. Right now Im in 2 fantasy baseball leagues. One on Yahoo, One on CBS. I cant even explain how much better the CBS site is. Its like comparing the NFL to Pop Warner football for me.

Agree 100%

[cougarjake13]

No idea. Im in about 3 a year not counting baseball. Have been doing it since 95. Sometimes its just a blur.

have to check it out next year


keep using yahoo just out of habit i guess

[boobieman]

BAMA just posted that yahoo is down,i remember reading that they were doing a scheduled maintanance today and too bad you're not a listening threader cuz we're doing one

FUCK...if anyway I can get a invite. I got the invite for the survival and pick'ems.

Thanks

SSEYEYYSAAA

[hanso]

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Better dead than red..where is Palmer?

[cougarjake13]

palmer threatened to retire if not traded


no trade and hasnt reported to team

[spoon]

Not sure why, but even with Turner as the coach I'm starting to like the feel of this SD team. Could this be the year? Nah, not likely.

[razorboy]

Who could fill Vernon Gholston's void on the Jets? Aaron Maybin, obviously. (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6869913/new-york-jets-sign-ex-buffalo-bills-flameout-aaron-maybin-pending-physical)

[cougarjake13]

Who could fill Vernon Gholston's void on the Jets? Aaron Maybin, obviously. (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6869913/new-york-jets-sign-ex-buffalo-bills-flameout-aaron-maybin-pending-physical)




maybe he'll finally get a sack

[cougarjake13]

my buddy started a fantasy league on the nfl.com site


anyone welcome to join



League ID:460441

Password:8jobbers




still got 2 spots open

[disneyspy]

still got 2 spots open

tsss you better close them before somebody sticks their dick in em or sumpthin,tsss ssss

[Snacks]

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/31395813

Terrelle Pryor will be allowed to enter the NFL supplemental draft but (If I heard and read this right) he will be suspended for the 1st 5 games.

Gooddell is such a fucking power tripping douche. College and what ncaa rules he broke or didnt break has nothing to do with the nfl and never did. Why is he allowed to make or change rules as he wants? This is why he is the most hated commish ever!

[boobieman]

Just read that if you have a PS3 you can get the NFL Ticket, including red zone...charging $349...a bit much but I spend that much after 2 sports bar games.

I will be getting this...

E A G L E S

SSEYEYYAYAAA

[cougarjake13]

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/31395813

Terrelle Pryor will be allowed to enter the NFL supplemental draft but (If I heard and read this right) he will be suspended for the 1st 5 games.

Gooddell is such a fucking power tripping douche. College and what ncaa rules he broke or didnt break has nothing to do with the nfl and never did. Why is he allowed to make or change rules as he wants? This is why he is the most hated commish ever!

he's using some circumventing the draft rule as his basis for the suspension

[Snoogans]

i love how people are flippin out that the nfl is policing NCAA shit. NO, THATS NOT WHAT THIS IS

This is the NFL setting the precedent that if you DONT ENTER THE REGULAR DRAFT, YOU CANNOT USE THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT AS A WAY OUT OF TROUBLE.

If pryor had waited til the next regular draft, there would be no 5 game suspension. The NFL had to do this to stop it from becoming a problem later and to stop guys from skipping the draft and then going supplemental so they will get more attention and maybe a better draft spot too.

[Snoogans]

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/31395813

Terrelle Pryor will be allowed to enter the NFL supplemental draft but (If I heard and read this right) he will be suspended for the 1st 5 games.

Gooddell is such a fucking power tripping douche. College and what ncaa rules he broke or didnt break has nothing to do with the nfl and never did. Why is he allowed to make or change rules as he wants? This is why he is the most hated commish ever!

you are completely off, read my last post as to why he did this and should have done it. Its not to carry on college rules, its to prevent players from using the supplemental draft to circumvent the system

[Snacks]

i love how people are flippin out that the nfl is policing NCAA shit. NO, THATS NOT WHAT THIS IS

This is the NFL setting the precedent that if you DONT ENTER THE REGULAR DRAFT, YOU CANNOT USE THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT AS A WAY OUT OF TROUBLE.

If pryor had waited til the next regular draft, there would be no 5 game suspension. The NFL had to do this to stop it from becoming a problem later and to stop guys from skipping the draft and then going supplemental so they will get more attention and maybe a better draft spot too.

you are completely off, read my last post as to why he did this and should have done it. Its not to carry on college rules, its to prevent players from using the supplemental draft to circumvent the system

people that go in the supplemental draft do not get signed for more money or years. So what benefit would it have to enter the supplemental draft when he could have entered the regular draft? he chose to stay in school at the time when he had to make his decision. After that deadline shit hit the fan, he was already suspended 5 games and chose to stay in school. He then knew he wasnt going to be eligible at all for next season so he decided to go into the supplemental draft. The supplemental draft is meant for players who status has changed since the regular draft and always has never said if it was due to trouble, school loses football program or whatever. but now gooddell changes it? his status changed, he would have been better off coming back and playing college if he could then he is entering this supplemental draft.

so far every talking head not only thinks gooddell is overusing his power but that this should be considered illegal because he is now saying that the ncaa is their minor league even though their is no affiliation with he ncaa and the nfl. this isnt me saying any of this, this is most people on espn and the nfl network. but im guessing they are wrong and my agreeing with them is wrong too?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Someone just floated an interesting theory:

What if Belichick was holding practices during the lockout?

[Snoogans]

people that go in the supplemental draft do not get signed for more money or years. So what benefit would it have to enter the supplemental draft when he could have entered the regular draft? he chose to stay in school at the time when he had to make his decision. After that deadline shit hit the fan, he was already suspended 5 games and chose to stay in school. He then knew he wasnt going to be eligible at all for next season so he decided to go into the supplemental draft. The supplemental draft is meant for players who status has changed since the regular draft and always has never said if it was due to trouble, school loses football program or whatever. but now gooddell changes it? his status changed, he would have been better off coming back and playing college if he could then he is entering this supplemental draft.

so far every talking head not only thinks gooddell is overusing his power but that this should be considered illegal because he is now saying that the ncaa is their minor league even though their is no affiliation with he ncaa and the nfl. this isnt me saying any of this, this is most people on espn and the nfl network. but im guessing they are wrong and my agreeing with them is wrong too?

actually you are right because those talkin heads arent gettin the point. I only heard 1 person at all even bring up the main reason.

One thing you are wrong on is supplemental draft. Most guys dont get that money cause they arent that good. But lets say for example, cam newton stayed at auburn, got in trouble, enter the supp draft. He woulda got first round money

The way the supp works is, teams disclose what round pick from the NEXT draft they are willing to give up to obtain that player. Now that their is a rookie scale, whatever round that is, thats what the guy will get paid. So if some dumb fucks decide prior is worth a first, they offer that, they get him, they have to pay him like a first.

But the main point is, pryor decided to stay. then he found out he would be in alot of trouble, and tried to enter the supp draft. Thats not what the supp draft is for, its more for guys who were injured or in the lower levels. So the NFL has to prevent guys from doing what pryor just did in the future. Using the supp draft to get out of trouble or get themselves more exposure.

You are right on the surface about the supp draft, but thats cause there was never a pay scale and never a big time talent in the draft. The NFL knows letting a big talent in will change the way it goes, and thats what they are tryin to prevent. They openly said that and even Drew Rosenhaus conceded the same thing when he explained why they werent going to fight goodells ruling. But for some reason, none of the talkin heads even mentioned that, and thats why most people dont understand it.

Im not tellin you you are flat wrong because based on most of whats been reported, you are right. thats what they are acting like, that the NFL is policing college. Really, the NFL is tryin to police more guys finding loopholes in teh supp draft system, which is why they told pryor if you just enter the normal draft you will not get in trouble. That part, that he could enter the regular draft and not get suspended, is what proves my point.

If the NFL was just deciding to police college, he would be suspended no matter how he got to the NFL. And thats not the case, so the talkin heads are wrong

[Tenbatsuzen]

My only issue is the length of suspension.

Big Ben got 4 games, right?

I mean, five games doesn't make a difference because he's not starting, but still.

[Snoogans]

My only issue is the length of suspension.

Big Ben got 4 games, right?

I mean, five games doesn't make a difference because he's not starting, but still.

the length was based on what he woulda been suspended in college. You cant use other NFL suspensions as precedent. that being said, because college announced it isnt why the NFL is doing it. Otherwise they woulda done the same thing to a ton of guys, including anyone from OSU who is already in the NFL, and pete carroll. Thats why its not about policing college. Its simply about not allowing kids to use the NFL to do things they arent allowed to do. They intertwine because NCAA is like NFL minor leagues, so its impossible to completely seperate. But the NFL doesnt give a shit about what he did in college, just that he is tryin to use the NFL to get out of it. THATS the issue. thats why he is allowed to enter next year with no penalty and would have been allowed to enter this past april with no penalty.

[Snoogans]

the big thing that makes it make more sense.

Had pryor entered last april, then this shit came out, he would not get in any trouble. thats why its not the NFL policing the NCAA. Its strictly the NFL policing the supplemental draft which is now full of loopholes cause of the rookie pay scale. The rookie pay scale fucked the process up

[Snoogans]

i read some of the CBA, sadly, when i was bored one day. the way the supp draft is going to work now, using pryor and a 4th round pick as an example:

Lets say buffalo gives up a 4th rounder in the supp, and thats the best offer from any team. The bills would get pryor, lose their 4th round pick for next draft (the round would just have 31 picks instead) and pryor would be signed as a 4th rounder in pay scale.

because they wouldnt know what number that pick would be in the 4th, his first year he would get the avg of all 4th round pay, then for the following years, he would get paid whatever amount a 4th rounder at what number the bills pick ended up being. So if the bills 4th woulda been the 2nd pick, pryor will go from there gettin the money a 4th round 2nd pick would get. The first year it would just avg all the pick slots.

[Snoogans]

for snacks, where that can get tricky now is. Say the giants really need a LB (cause they fuckin DO JERRY REESE WAKE UP AND SIGN SOMEB....sorry) and fail to get one in the regular draft, WHICH THEY DID. Now all of a sudden in may, some stud jr LB sees he is gonna get in trouble, so he enters the supp draft. obviously the giants would have to consider sayin fuck it, we will just take him as our next number 1. But now that guy has to be paid like a number 1 cause its preset. they cant just lowball him cause its a supp pick like they used to

thats where it becomes a problem

[underdog]

Someone just floated an interesting theory:

What if Belichick was holding practices during the lockout?

What if any coach was?

[Snoogans]

What if any coach was?

i dont know how a coach would run a practice with 50+ guys and no one, no reporter, shit no citizen with a cell phone cam, would see anything goin on and bring it up somewhere?

[Snacks]

actually you are right because those talkin heads arent gettin the point. I only heard 1 person at all even bring up the main reason.

One thing you are wrong on is supplemental draft. Most guys dont get that money cause they arent that good. But lets say for example, cam newton stayed at auburn, got in trouble, enter the supp draft. He woulda got first round money

The way the supp works is, teams disclose what round pick from the NEXT draft they are willing to give up to obtain that player. Now that their is a rookie scale, whatever round that is, thats what the guy will get paid. So if some dumb fucks decide prior is worth a first, they offer that, they get him, they have to pay him like a first.

But the main point is, pryor decided to stay. then he found out he would be in alot of trouble, and tried to enter the supp draft. Thats not what the supp draft is for, its more for guys who were injured or in the lower levels. So the NFL has to prevent guys from doing what pryor just did in the future. Using the supp draft to get out of trouble or get themselves more exposure.

You are right on the surface about the supp draft, but thats cause there was never a pay scale and never a big time talent in the draft. The NFL knows letting a big talent in will change the way it goes, and thats what they are tryin to prevent. They openly said that and even Drew Rosenhaus conceded the same thing when he explained why they werent going to fight goodells ruling. But for some reason, none of the talkin heads even mentioned that, and thats why most people dont understand it.

Im not tellin you you are flat wrong because based on most of whats been reported, you are right. thats what they are acting like, that the NFL is policing college. Really, the NFL is tryin to police more guys finding loopholes in teh supp draft system, which is why they told pryor if you just enter the normal draft you will not get in trouble. That part, that he could enter the regular draft and not get suspended, is what proves my point.

If the NFL was just deciding to police college, he would be suspended no matter how he got to the NFL. And thats not the case, so the talkin heads are wrong

I heard the highest value pick he goes for is like a 3rd round pick. i did hear miami was interested in him but i hope they arent. i guess it will depend on what pick they offered but i hope its late, very late.

[Snacks]

Someone just floated an interesting theory:

What if Belichick was holding practices during the lockout?

I wouldnt doubt it or any other coach. im sure they were at least in some contact with their starting qbs to discuss what to do when they were doing their fake camps. I dont see a problem with it.

but i will say they look fucking scary on offense this preseason so far

[Snoogans]

I heard the highest value pick he goes for is like a 3rd round pick. i did hear miami was interested in him but i hope they arent. i guess it will depend on what pick they offered but i hope its late, very late.

i agree, but thats on pryor. thats what everyone doesnt seem to get. the NFL isnt doing this to Terrelle Pryor, they are doing this to stop guys who might have a higher value than pryor from doing the same thing and thus fuckin up the whole system and allowing teams to bid for draft picks instead of having to have them available at your turn.

THATS what the NFL is most scared of. Someone who IS a first rounder doing this same shit and having a team like NE offer retarded shit to get them cause they would never have a chance to get them without giving up a massive amount in a trade otherwise

[Snoogans]

I wouldnt doubt it or any other coach. im sure they were at least in some contact with their starting qbs to discuss what to do when they were doing their fake camps. I dont see a problem with it.

but i will say they look fucking scary on offense this preseason so far

this seems alot more likely. All those player run camps could have been a player doing what the coaches were tellin him to do the night before on the phone. That seems alot more likely than some coaching staff running the risk of actually being on a public field running a full practice

[Earlshog]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6876935/new-york-giants-osi-umenyiora-knee-surgery

Osi Umenyiora has knee surgery

[Earlshog]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6876810/report-meadowlands-metlife-stadium

MetLife has secured the naming rights to New Meadowlands Stadium.

The $1.6 million facility now will be called MetLife Stadium, according to a report in the New York Post.

[JimBeam]

i agree, but thats on pryor. thats what everyone doesnt seem to get. the NFL isnt doing this to Terrelle Pryor, they are doing this to stop guys who might have a higher value than pryor from doing the same thing and thus fuckin up the whole system and allowing teams to bid for draft picks instead of having to have them available at your turn.

THATS what the NFL is most scared of. Someone who IS a first rounder doing this same shit and having a team like NE offer retarded shit to get them cause they would never have a chance to get them without giving up a massive amount in a trade otherwise

Yesterday I heard Drew Rossenhaus ( sp ?? ) saying that Pryor would deal w/ the suspension and is just happy to be in the draft.

This morning his lawyer was saying they'd file an appeal w/ the NFLPA once he signed a contract to get it reduced.

Why the hell would the NFLPA want to stand behind this guy ?

He hasn't done damn thing for them.

[CountryBob]

Yesterday I heard Drew Rossenhaus ( sp ?? ) saying that Pryor would deal w/ the suspension and is just happy to be in the draft.

This morning his lawyer was saying they'd file an appeal w/ the NFLPA once he signed a contract to get it reduced.

Why the hell would the NFLPA want to stand behind this guy ?

He hasn't done damn thing for them.

He will be a paying customer soon

[CountryBob]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6876810/report-meadowlands-metlife-stadium

MetLife has secured the naming rights to New Meadowlands Stadium.

The $1.6 million facility now will be called MetLife Stadium, according to a report in the New York Post.

1.6 million?

[JimBeam]

He will be a paying customer soon

Well then let him earn something before you represent him.

Aren't there any cases that the NFLPA should look into for its actual members first ?

I don't understand why the players would be in such a rush to start splitting their money w/ nobodies.

[Earlshog]

1.6 million?

perhaps a bit more than that Jim....

[CountryBob]

Well then let him earn something before you represent him.

Aren't there any cases that the NFLPA should look into for its actual members first ?

I don't understand why the players would be in such a rush to start splitting their money w/ nobodies.

Its the issue of not letting Goodall suspend players because of something they did or were involved in before they were in the NFL. The union dosent want this to be able to happen.

[JimBeam]

Its the issue of not letting Goodall suspend players because of something they did or were involved in before they were in the NFL. The union dosent want this to be able to happen.

But again shouldn't the NFLPA worry about players that actually are working members of their organization ?

A huge part of this past lockout was to diminish the impact of non-proven players.

So why waste time and resources on a guy that's gonna take money out of somebody's pocket ?

[Snacks]

But again shouldn't the NFLPA worry about players that actually are working members of their organization ?

A huge part of this past lockout was to diminish the impact of non-proven players.

So why waste time and resources on a guy that's gonna take money out of somebody's pocket ?

because they handle these cases as they come along. is there another case that they wont be handling because of this one? is there even another case ongoing that you can think of? even if there is they can handle more then 1 at a time. they arent there to pick and choose cases they are there to represent their players not matter how much money they make, new or vet.

[hanso]

I wouldnt doubt it or any other coach. im sure they were at least in some contact with their starting qbs to discuss what to do when they were doing their fake camps. I dont see a problem with it.

but i will say they look fucking scary on offense this preseason so far

The later the better IF they wanted him. But I heard they aren't. Also heard that what ever place you pick. You loose that pick come the next real draft.

[underdog]

Well then let him earn something before you represent him.

Aren't there any cases that the NFLPA should look into for its actual members first ?

I don't understand why the players would be in such a rush to start splitting their money w/ nobodies.

The NFLPA will attempt to defend the players 100% of the time. Why would they tell a new player to go fuck themselves?

[spoon]

i love how people are flippin out that the nfl is policing NCAA shit. NO, THATS NOT WHAT THIS IS

This is the NFL setting the precedent that if you DONT ENTER THE REGULAR DRAFT, YOU CANNOT USE THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT AS A WAY OUT OF TROUBLE.

If pryor had waited til the next regular draft, there would be no 5 game suspension. The NFL had to do this to stop it from becoming a problem later and to stop guys from skipping the draft and then going supplemental so they will get more attention and maybe a better draft spot too.

you are completely off, read my last post as to why he did this and should have done it. Its not to carry on college rules, its to prevent players from using the supplemental draft to circumvent the system

Couldn't agree more. I sort of expected you to go the other way here to be honest. The only thing unfair overall is that asshole/cheating coaches skip town as soon as they feel the heat coming and head to places like Seattle.

The NCAA & NFL have to come up with ways to police this type scenario overall, bc if they don't the integrity of the ncaa rules and nfl draft are both compromised. Coaches can't just walk away from their own garbage either for big paydays in the NFL, as 2-5 year bans should be inflicted on guys that are proven aware of issues as most are.

[spoon]

The NFLPA will attempt to defend the players 100% of the time. Why would they tell a new player to go fuck themselves?

Exactly. It's a player issue in general, not the specific person involved and they'd step in no matter who it was.

[Snoogans]

Couldn't agree more. I sort of expected you to go the other way here to be honest. The only thing unfair overall is that asshole/cheating coaches skip town as soon as they feel the heat coming and head to places like Seattle.

The NCAA & NFL have to come up with ways to police this type scenario overall, bc if they don't the integrity of the ncaa rules and nfl draft are both compromised. Coaches can't just walk away from their own garbage either for big paydays in the NFL, as 2-5 year bans should be inflicted on guys that are proven aware of issues as most are.

the thing is, i dont care about cheating, but i hate liars and hypocrites. Like with roids, i dont give a fuck if a guy does them. But once he starts championing how he doesnt do them, then gets caught, then i fuckin hate them. I dont personally give a fuck if pryor got benefits or not.
And you are right about the coaches, carrol should have something happen to him.

But in terms of my opinion on this, its not really my feeling. It why they are doing it, whether i think its right or wrong. Personally, i think its right, not cause he cheating, but because the NFL has to protect from guys tryin to fuck the system when other guys cant do it because they didnt get in trouble. Thats the only reason the NFL is right, IMO

Anyone can take illegal benefits that are offered, so i dont give a shit. But not every kid can do the supp draft shit, so thats kinda not fair.

[spoon]

Since steroids are considered cheating and not allowed in the game, the very act of taking them and not saying so is lying in a round about way.

Also, I summed up the main reason this shouldn't be allowed...The NCAA & NFL have to come up with ways to police this type scenario overall, bc if they don't the integrity of the ncaa rules and nfl draft are both compromised...., but it surely doesn't mean it's the only reason I take issue with guys like Pryor and Carrol. Surely I think the coaches are MUCH more dirty than the poor players (not an excuse though) taking money and bens, but let's be honest in that the NCAA is FILLED with players getting handouts all over and coaches using it to get players.

[Snoogans]

Since steroids are considered cheating and not allowed in the game, the very act of taking them and not saying so is lying in a round about way.

Also, I summed up the main reason this shouldn't be allowed......, but it surely doesn't mean it's the only reason I take issue with guys like Pryor and Carrol. Surely I think the coaches are MUCH more dirty than the poor players (not an excuse though) taking money and bens, but let's be honest in that the NCAA is FILLED with players getting handouts all over and coaches using it to get players.

now they are. but before 2004 steroids were not against the rules of the game. Thats why i didnt care

[spoon]

now they are. but before 2004 steroids were not against the rules of the game. Thats why i didnt care

their use in that way was illegal overall, hence illegal in the game...like rape, murder and theft. now they made specific rules about it to test

[Snoogans]

Since steroids are considered cheating and not allowed in the game, the very act of taking them and not saying so is lying in a round about way.

Also, I summed up the main reason this shouldn't be allowed......, but it surely doesn't mean it's the only reason I take issue with guys like Pryor and Carrol. Surely I think the coaches are MUCH more dirty than the poor players (not an excuse though) taking money and bens, but let's be honest in that the NCAA is FILLED with players getting handouts all over and coaches using it to get players.

your right, and thats what made saban callin all these people low life pimps was fuckin hilarious. And the fact that players take shit left and right everywhere is why i dont care. I dont think less of any of these miami guys who took benefits from this douche scam artist. The system is so fucked up and the people in charge at various levels dont do shit about it. So i blame them, not the kids. Fuck, I would take the goddamn cash too.

[Snoogans]

their use in that way was illegal overall, hence illegal in the game...like rape, murder and theft. now they made specific rules about it to test

up until goodell became commisioner, i think rape murder and theft were all allowed by the NFL.

in all honestly though, yea roids are illegal. So is speed without a script, and like 95% of them were doin that shit too. The reason i dont care is the same as i just posted about the NCAA. The owners, coaches, MLB, they fuckin knew before 04 but were making fuckin bank off it. So they didnt give a fuck. So i dont blame any of the players, especially the guys who came later and did them just to try to keep pace

[spoon]

up until goodell became commisioner, i think rape murder and theft were all allowed by the NFL.

in all honestly though, yea roids are illegal. So is speed without a script, and like 95% of them were doin that shit too. The reason i dont care is the same as i just posted about the NCAA. The owners, coaches, MLB, they fuckin knew before 04 but were making fuckin bank off it. So they didnt give a fuck. So i dont blame any of the players, especially the guys who came later and did them just to try to keep pace

keeping your edge more than normal with a super caffeine type drug is one thing, but injecting yourself with what you know takes you beyond your natural abilities is completely different

next, i don't really compare steroids to taking benefits in college bc of some of what you wrote above. if anything, it gives colleges unfair edges on lesser established programs in terms of boosters and those that actually do keep clean. it's like the illegal alien workforce in the US, until those that make this happen (coaches, boosters, agents and more) get fined, punished, suspended and or banned from the game in more meaningful ways, it will continue forever.

[TripleSkeet]

They need to start paying the players. Thats the problem. They make the program millions, the coaches get paid millions, then they give these kids nothing to live off of, and wont let them work. Its ridiculous. If I was a player I would take money every chance I took. Theres no guarantee youre gonna make it in the pros.

Oh and by the way, there is NO integrity in the NCAA. They are the biggest scam artists and bloodsuckers out there. They do nothing but punish innocent people for the acts of others. Explain to me how punishing the Miami program for guys that took payoffs in 2002-2008 is fair? The players arent there anymore. The coaches arent there anymore. Youre punishing kids that have done nothing wrong. Wheres the integrity in that?

[Snoogans]

They need to start paying the players. Thats the problem. They make the program millions, the coaches get paid millions, then they give these kids nothing to live off of, and wont let them work. Its ridiculous. If I was a player I would take money every chance I took. Theres no guarantee youre gonna make it in the pros.

Oh and by the way, there is NO integrity in the NCAA. They are the biggest scam artists and bloodsuckers out there. They do nothing but punish innocent people for the acts of others. Explain to me how punishing the Miami program for guys that took payoffs in 2002-2008 is fair? The players arent there anymore. The coaches arent there anymore. Youre punishing kids that have done nothing wrong. Wheres the integrity in that?

they cant pay players just like that. Some schools make millions. The majority of schools already operate their football programs at a loss. The bottom half of D1 cant pay players.

[TripleSkeet]

they cant pay players just like that. Some schools make millions. The majority of schools already operate their football programs at a loss. The bottom half of D1 cant pay players.

Well then at least allow them to get jobs.

[Snoogans]

Well then at least allow them to get jobs.

id be opk with that except, the only time they arent allowed to have a job is during the season. Im all for lettin them but i dont know how you go to class, practice, and study and still have time to work for those 4 months

[TripleSkeet]

id be opk with that except, the only time they arent allowed to have a job is during the season. Im all for lettin them but i dont know how you go to class, practice, and study and still have time to work for those 4 months

No I agree with that. It should be during the off season. But at least these guys would be able to make some cash.

Let me ask, is it against NCAA rules to give away signed jerseys? Like, if I was a star at Penn State, and sent signed jerseys home to my mom or my friends, and they sold them on Ebay, do I get in trouble for that?

[Snoogans]

No I agree with that. It should be during the off season. But at least these guys would be able to make some cash.

Let me ask, is it against NCAA rules to give away signed jerseys? Like, if I was a star at Penn State, and sent signed jerseys home to my mom or my friends, and they sold them on Ebay, do I get in trouble for that?

they are allowed to work in the off season. its only for the season that it applies to. Thats why Oklahoma had that scandal a few years back where guys were gettin paid for hours they didnt show up for at a car dealership. You are allowed to work, just not during the season.

Its not against the rules to give away anything. If they sell it and get the money and you didnt get anything or any piece of the money, you wont get in trouble. You have to directly benefit from giving the merch away

[spoon]

they cant pay players just like that. Some schools make millions. The majority of schools already operate their football programs at a loss. The bottom half of D1 cant pay players.

While I agree with the NCAA having their issues, NCAA football pretty much is the biggest sponsor of college athletics other than football at most schools. Even DII and DIII schools get a lot of their funding through this manner, allowing for other programs to be solvent or a much lesser drain on college funds overall. I see the reason for the set up the way it is, being that these kids DO get a free education and should focus on that as much as the game...especially those with smaller upside.

While on campus these poor kids do get taken advantage of by the "hanger on" assholes and agents in hopes of landing their cut on this kid in the future. Most of the lesser players aren't really getting this money in the same fashion, unless a big future prospect is asking them to hook up their friend as well. I don't think paying the kids will ever be the answer or the right thing to do, but surely there needs to be HUGE incentive NOT to be involved with giving benefits to line up a player by an agent, coach or school. If caught and proven in the wrong, as so many have been, they should be taken to task. If there was a clear negative outcome that could influence all involved in these cases you'd see much less improprieties. And I understand it needs to be judged on a scale, meaning a kid getting a pair of concert tickets isn't the same as Carrol or the Ohio State cases. I'm never a fan of set punishments, but tiers and minimums are fine.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Stupid question.

Let's say kids from the U get into the NFL and are playing.

The NCAA investigation finds they took money, etc. while at the U.

Does this then entitled Goodell to retroactively suspend them? Surely there's gotta be something in the CBA about that

[sailor]

Stupid question.

Let's say kids from the U get into the NFL and are playing.

The NCAA investigation finds they took money, etc. while at the U.

Does this then entitled Goodell to retroactively suspend them? Surely there's gotta be something in the CBA about that

I thought it was clear this was just about gaming the supplemental draft and not what they did in college.

[hanso]

If they got in with the real daft. Then imo nfl could do what ever. If it falls under the Statute of Limitations timeline.


Source: Willful violators clause could apply at Miami
‎
violators” clause and make an exception to the traditional four-year statute of limitations in the Nevin Shapiro case, a university source told Yahoo! ...
http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=ys-miami_violations_statute_of_limitations_081811

[hanso]

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[cougarjake13]

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nice

[Snoogans]

While I agree with the NCAA having their issues, NCAA football pretty much is the biggest sponsor of college athletics other than football at most schools. Even DII and DIII schools get a lot of their funding through this manner, allowing for other programs to be solvent or a much lesser drain on college funds overall. I see the reason for the set up the way it is, being that these kids DO get a free education and should focus on that as much as the game...especially those with smaller upside.

While on campus these poor kids do get taken advantage of by the "hanger on" assholes and agents in hopes of landing their cut on this kid in the future. Most of the lesser players aren't really getting this money in the same fashion, unless a big future prospect is asking them to hook up their friend as well. I don't think paying the kids will ever be the answer or the right thing to do, but surely there needs to be HUGE incentive NOT to be involved with giving benefits to line up a player by an agent, coach or school. If caught and proven in the wrong, as so many have been, they should be taken to task. If there was a clear negative outcome that could influence all involved in these cases you'd see much less improprieties. And I understand it needs to be judged on a scale, meaning a kid getting a pair of concert tickets isn't the same as Carrol or the Ohio State cases. I'm never a fan of set punishments, but tiers and minimums are fine.

i dont know man. Rutgers football program alone in 2010 took 17.9 out of the general school operating budget.

In general yes, the football teams make a profit and the department doesnt cause it funds all the sports that dont make money. But thats only at major schools. Shit half the schools in the big east dont even turn a profit just on football, so i cant imagine how the fuck schools like North Texas and FIU would ever have enough money to give more than they already give

[Snoogans]

Stupid question.

Let's say kids from the U get into the NFL and are playing.

The NCAA investigation finds they took money, etc. while at the U.

Does this then entitled Goodell to retroactively suspend them? Surely there's gotta be something in the CBA about that

no. he cannot do anything. thats why this pryor shit isnt about the NCAA rules. Its about pryor tryin to use the supp draft to skirt trouble. They intertwine in that case cause the trouble was from college, but the NFL has never once retro inforced a penalty for a player who had taken benefits while in college

[hanso]

When he first went to Miami local sports radio played the clip. It was kinda funny. Guy had a good game Friday. Hope it can continue.

[razorboy]

Larry Fitzgerald signs eight year deal with Cardinals. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6880867/arizona-cardinals-re-sign-larry-fitzgerald-eight-years-120-million)

Good luck to him. Maybe I'm just missing something, but Kolb doesn't strike me as the answer in Arizona or anywhere else. Granted, the sample size is small but I see a QB with pretty awful footwork in the pocket, who has plenty of arm but no idea where his deep passes are going and is prone to plays where it comes down to either his primary read or haphazard improvisation.

I like Fitzgerald, though. For his sake I hope it works out well, and I'm sure he'll sleep fine at night on his piles of cash.

[hanso]

Larry made some leaf. Less than half is guaranteed but still..

[cougarjake13]

8 yrs sounds too much but its not all guaranteed so i guess it dont matter

[Snacks]

8 yrs sounds too much but its not all guaranteed so i guess it dont matter

yeah but $50 million is. Thats a lot and good for him. I actually think at 27 (almost 28) he might play out this entire contract. I think they overpaid him though. Maybe they should have given him a 7 year $80 million and used that other $40 million to get him some help. 2 years in a row they lost a good wr. Last year they lost Boldin this year they lost Breaston, even with kolb his job gets harder. They will double team him all game.

Arizona has been fair to him. rookie deal was 6 years for $60 million, then in 2008 they extended him another 4 years for $40 and now they extended him 8 years $120. Not bad!

[cougarjake13]

hes done very well and i like it when guys dont move all around and stick with a team


but i agree maybe a year or 2 less so they could get some other wrs


who else do they have on their roster at wr ?

[Snacks]

hes done very well and i like it when guys dont move all around and stick with a team


but i agree maybe a year or 2 less so they could get some other wrs


who else do they have on their roster at wr ?

I have no idea. I know they lost breaston and their te this year and I think they lost 1 of their rbs that shared the rb duties last year. they now lost their rookie rb that was supposed to take that spot but he got hurt and is out for the year. so i know of kolb who is a question mark, fitz and beanie wells. thats their offense. not that great if nothing else is there to help them!

[cougarjake13]

I have no idea. I know they lost breaston and their te this year and I think they lost 1 of their rbs that shared the rb duties last year. they now lost their rookie rb that was supposed to take that spot but he got hurt and is out for the year. so i know of kolb who is a question mark, fitz and beanie wells. thats their offense. not that great if nothing else is there to help them!

yeh hightower is a redskin now

[cougarjake13]

WR1 Larry Fitzgerald Stephen Williams DeMarco Sampson Isaiah Williams Sean Jeffcoat

wr2 Andre Roberts Early Doucet Max Komar Chansi Stuckey Aaron Nichols Curry Chapman




other than fitz, doucet and stuckey ive heard nothing of the rest

[hanso]

Bleacher Report are idiots

Miami Dolphins Trade for Tennessee Titans RB Chris Johnson
Is the title of story I just saw. Not speculation or trade rumor.
Makes it look like a done deal.

[Snacks]

Bleacher Report are idiots

Miami Dolphins Trade for Tennessee Titans RB Chris Johnson
Is the title of story I just saw. Not speculation or trade rumor.
Makes it look like a done deal.

i hope this aint true. hes a beast but we will be overpaying for a position we dont need and that is always easier to fill cheaper.

[TripleSkeet]

Stupid question.

Let's say kids from the U get into the NFL and are playing.

The NCAA investigation finds they took money, etc. while at the U.

Does this then entitled Goodell to retroactively suspend them? Surely there's gotta be something in the CBA about that

No and thats the problem. While the kids that broke the rules got their education, got their money, got their asses drafted and are enjoying life in the NFL the NCAA punishes the new players and coaches that did nothing wrong with sanctions on their teams.

I love the whole "voiding their wins" bullshit. What a joke. Look, the games happened, the teams that won them won them, the NCAA can try all the bullshit talk they want saying titles are voided and shit but in the minds of EVERYONE, those teams are still the winners and those champions are still the champions.

[Kevin]

No and thats the problem. While the kids that broke the rules got their education, got their money, got their asses drafted and are enjoying life in the NFL the NCAA punishes the new players and coaches that did nothing wrong with sanctions on their teams.

I love the whole "voiding their wins" bullshit. What a joke. Look, the games happened, the teams that won them won them, the NCAA can try all the bullshit talk they want saying titles are voided and shit but in the minds of EVERYONE, those teams are still the winners and those champions are still the champions.

Yea its not like Reggie Bush would have been less of player AT USC if he followed the rules.

He didn't get cough with PEDS.

I bet they took away the memories of banging Kardashian and many others because of it too.

[Snacks]

I just heard that the NFL was selling an online football package for the preseason? Something like $40 for every preseason game. Thats ridiculous that they would sell it that high but maybe this brings us one step closer to them doing this for the regular season as well?

Anyone buy it?

[Snacks]

Now that the season is about to start what are your predictions on the season? who do you expect to win the divisions and what are your 2 SB teams?

AFC:
NE
Balt
Indy
SD

wildcard:
Hou
Jets (should make it but I hope they dont)

NFC:
Dal
GB
ATL
STL

wildcard:

NO
Philly (I wouldnt be surprised if they shit the bed & didnt make it, if not I hope Det does)

Super Bowl

SD vs GB

but I wouldnt be surprised at all if NE is the best team in the league this year. They have looked great this preseason and they were the best team during the regular season last year. If they can get over their playoff losing droubt of late they could easily go back!

[hanso]

Watching SNF Dal v SD Dal RB lost TD due to helmet coming off over new rule.

With this rule if a defender rips the helmet off a runner it is the same as a tackle. The play is dead at that spot.

[brettmojo]

Watching SNF Dal v SD Dal RB lost TP due to helmet coming off over new rule.

With this rule if a defender rips the helmet off a runner it is the same as a tackle. The play is dead at that spot.
Welcome to the NFL. The multi-billion dollar two hand touch league.

[underdog]

Welcome to the NFL. The multi-billion dollar two hand touch league.

Seriously. The league is two hand touch! (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d821933d1/Woodhead-gets-nailed)

[TripleSkeet]

Seriously. The league is two hand touch! (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d821933d1/Woodhead-gets-nailed)

Not for nothing, but that wasnt really a blind side hit. That was a guy not paying attention to his surroundings. He had already taken 3 steps directly toward the defender before he got blasted. Clean hit.

That helmet rule is bullshit.

[underdog]

Not for nothing, but that wasnt really a blind side hit. That was a guy not paying attention to his surroundings. He had already taken 3 steps directly toward the defender before he got blasted. Clean hit.

That helmet rule is bullshit.

I didn't say it was an illegal hit. I'm just saying it's retarded to say that the NFL is a two-hand touch league because they don't want someone to die on the field.

[keithy_19]

I didn't say it was an illegal hit. I'm just saying it's retarded to say that the NFL is a two-hand touch league because they don't want someone to die on the field.

I don't want to watch a game where people might not die.

[Snacks]

Not for nothing, but that wasnt really a blind side hit. That was a guy not paying attention to his surroundings. He had already taken 3 steps directly toward the defender before he got blasted. Clean hit.

That helmet rule is bullshit.

that was a great hit but i bet they threw a flag? woodhead was focused on the runner and never moved his head to see who was coming. that was nasty but if you put yourself in that position you might get blasted. its hits like that, that made the nfl the #1 sport in America!

Anyone know how he is?

[TripleSkeet]

I didn't say it was an illegal hit. I'm just saying it's retarded to say that the NFL is a two-hand touch league because they don't want someone to die on the field.

That post was more a response to the description of the video where it says Woodhead gets blindsided.

[spoon]

Watching SNF Dal v SD Dal RB lost TD due to helmet coming off over new rule.

With this rule if a defender rips the helmet off a runner it is the same as a tackle. The play is dead at that spot.

Well that would have been the reason if there wasn't an offensive penalty on the play as well. But yah, not a fan of that rule, the kickoff changes or the new goal line beeper bs.

[spoon]

Yea its not like Reggie Bush would have been less of player AT USC if he followed the rules.

He didn't get cough with PEDS.

I bet they took away the memories of banging Kardashian and many others because of it too.

Yah, I think you are missing the point. He quite possibly might not have GONE to USC among others if he didn't get extra cash and benefits. Take Reggie and others influenced by boosters and USC hanger ons and the whole spectrum of the NCAA changes.

[hanso]

I don't want to watch a game where people might not die.

Same here. But who's to say defenders might try to take off helmets now.

[underdog]

Same here. But who's to say defenders might try to take off helmets now.

If you can purposely pull off a helmet, I'm pretty sure you'd have enough time to actually tackle the person.

[hanso]

If you can purposely pull off a helmet, I'm pretty sure you'd have enough time to actually tackle the person.

Thinking back to last season I remember seeing not much on the lines of proper tackling.

[Snacks]

Thinking back to last season I remember seeing not much on the lines of proper tackling.

how many times have we seen helmets fly off? yet another rule that sucks but maybe now the players will actually learn to snap the chin straps on properly so its harder to come off.

[hanso]

how many times have we seen helmets fly off? yet another rule that sucks but maybe now the players will actually learn to snap the chin straps on properly so its harder to come off.

I bet they will try to find a way to keep them on. But then you got the face mask deal. Could make that worse on the guy getting it done to.

[keithy_19]

Thinking back to last season I remember seeing not much on the lines of proper tackling.

So you're a Giants fan too.

[hanso]

I heard the highest value pick he goes for is like a 3rd round pick. i did hear miami was interested in him but i hope they arent. i guess it will depend on what pick they offered but i hope its late, very late.

I had your quote wrong last time when word was miami was not interested in him on my end. Now there is, maybe it was the speed test. This was from the former Dolphins show. Sup draft starts at 1pm est


So you're a Giants fan too.
Seemed to be across the board. (remember all the head hunting? And fines handed out?)

[Kevin]

Yah, I think you are missing the point. He quite possibly might not have GONE to USC among others if he didn't get extra cash and benefits. Take Reggie and others influenced by boosters and USC hanger ons and the whole skpectrum of the NCAA changes.

I was saying more of his Heisman

But I guess part of the guidelines is moral integrity too.

[newport king]

i hate the Raiders.

[Snoogans]

i hate the Raiders.

at least it confirms that al davis is, in fact, still alive

[underdog]

i hate the Raiders.

Then you should be very happy that they wasted a 3rd round pick on another shitty player.

[newport king]

I know that Cincinnati will beat them to Andrew Luck in the next draft.

[Earlshog]

I know that Cincinnati will beat them to Andrew Luck in the next draft.

looks that way.... you never know a couple balls bounce the right / wrong (depending how you look at it) and Cincy could have 3 - 4 wins and lose out...

[underdog]

Raiders now have no 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick in the next rookie draft.

[hanso]

I was saying more of his Heisman

But I guess part of the guidelines is moral integrity too.

From the talk he gave after a good game last Friday. He seems to have his head on right.

[cougarjake13]

Raiders now have no 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick in the next rookie draft.

as opposed to the veteran draft ?

[underdog]

as opposed to the veteran draft ?

Sorry, I'm in too many keeper leagues, so I feel the need to differentiate between rookie and FA drafts.

[Judge Smails]

I'm at the Giants-Bears game and there is now a Snoopy mascot running around on the field in a Giants jersey. The Giants are not supposed to have mascots! Fuck you Met Life and your stadium naming rights!

[spoon]

Then you should be very happy that they wasted a 3rd round pick on another shitty player.

I know I am!

But don't worry guys, Pryor is fast and therefore we should all be surprised Davis didn't put up a 2nd or worse.

[spoon]

I'm at the Giants-Bears game and there is now a Snoopy mascot running around on the field in a Giants jersey. The Giants are not supposed to have mascots! Fuck you Met Life and your stadium naming rights!

Even reading that makes me sick to my stomach and I'm not a G fan.

Also, since you're at the game they just reported Thomas is done. Torn ACL, not good for the Gian't secondary taking another huge blow.

[Judge Smails]

Even reading that makes me sick to my stomach and I'm not a G fan.

Also, since you're at the game they just reported Thomas is done. Torn ACL, not good for the Gian't secondary taking another huge blow.

Well that sucks

[hanso]

Why no mascots?

[underdog]

Even reading that makes me sick to my stomach and I'm not a G fan.

Also, since you're at the game they just reported Thomas is done. Torn ACL, not good for the Gian't secondary taking another huge blow.

Yeah, Thomas was a beast last year.

[Judge Smails]

Why no mascots?



No mascots. No cheerleaders. No elaborate halftime shows. Just a little thing called football.

[hanso]

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[Kevin]

Even reading that makes me sick to my stomach and I'm not a G fan.

Also, since you're at the game they just reported Thomas is done. Torn ACL, not good for the Gian't secondary taking another huge blow.

I knew Thomas was done as soon as I saw the replay.

Makes the questionable offseason even worse.

[hanso]

A trade might be in the cards for them now.

[TripleSkeet]

No mascots. No cheerleaders. No elaborate halftime shows. Just a little thing called football.

I dont have a problem with a football team having a mascot or cheerleaders, but to take the mascot of the company who you sold the naming rights of your stadium to? Ew. Thats just cringe worthy.

[Earlshog]

Yeah, Thomas was a beast last year.

Yes he eas... He is one of the leaders on D... tough blow

[Earlshog]

I'm at the Giants-Bears game and there is now a Snoopy mascot running around on the field in a Giants jersey. The Giants are not supposed to have mascots! Fuck you Met Life and your stadium naming rights!

was Micheal Vick chasing him?

[cougarjake13]

was Micheal Vick chasing him?

not til week 11

[Judge Smails]

At a press conference to announce the naming of New Meadowlands Stadium as MetLife Stadium on Tuesday, the New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants) chairman and executive vice president joked with Jets chairman and chief executive officer Woody Johnson about the Jets inking Burress.

"You keep Plaxico, we'll take Snoopy," Tisch said with a laugh.


:furious::furious::furious:

[Snacks]

I just read on rotoworld that Carson Palmer still hasnt filed retirment papers b/c he doesnt want to retire but doesnt want to play for cincy. They said he is being fined $30k per day that he misses camp but could really screw cincy by showing up days before the season starts. If he does they will have to either cut him or pay him $11.5 million.

Thats pretty smart by Carson to do, if they dont cut him collect the check and they wont start him since he didnt play any preseason. If they realize they will have to pay a guy $11.5 million for really no reason maybe they will cut him and that will free him up to sign wherever he wants. This could get interesting and I hope Palmer does this and fucks that asshole owner and gets his wishes to be free from cincy and if the owner is dumb enough to pay him then so be it.

[Snoogans]

I just read on rotoworld that Carson Palmer still hasnt filed retirment papers b/c he doesnt want to retire but doesnt want to play for cincy. They said he is being fined $30k per day that he misses camp but could really screw cincy by showing up days before the season starts. If he does they will have to either cut him or pay him $11.5 million.

Thats pretty smart by Carson to do, if they dont cut him collect the check and they wont start him since he didnt play any preseason. If they realize they will have to pay a guy $11.5 million for really no reason maybe they will cut him and that will free him up to sign wherever he wants. This could get interesting and I hope Palmer does this and fucks that asshole owner and gets his wishes to be free from cincy and if the owner is dumb enough to pay him then so be it.

cincys owner already told him come in or stay retired, he isnt gettin cut or dealt. they are willing to pay him the money

[CountryBob]

cincys owner already told him come in or stay retired, he isnt gettin cut or dealt. they are willing to pay him the money

Another example of how smart owners are - wasteful :thumbdown:

FREE CARSON!

[TripleSkeet]

In a perfect world he would come in, start the regular season, and immediately throw a pick for a TD. Then walking off the field turn to the owners box and flip him off. And do that every time they put him in. That would be so awesome.....unless youre a Bengals fan of course.

[sailor]

In a perfect world he would come in, start the regular season, and immediately throw a pick for a TD. Then walking off the field turn to the owners box and flip him off. And do that every time they put him in. That would be so awesome.....unless youre a Bengals fan of course.

Why? He has a contract to honor. He's also pissing on his teammates. I'd love to see them just let the other team just crush him on every play.

[TripleSkeet]

Why? He has a contract to honor. He's also pissing on his teammates. I'd love to see them just let the other team just crush him on every play.

I dont believe in honoring contracts in the NFL. The owners dont, the players shouldnt have to. He wants to be dealt. Stop being spiteful and get rid of the guy. Nobody said you have to trade huim to a good team. If the owners gonna be a spiteful dick, then he should give it right back. Also how can the other team crush him? All he has to do is toss the ball to a D linemen and watch him run it back.

[TripleSkeet]

How come nobody really bitches when guys demand trades before even suting up like Eli Manning and John Elway, but when a guy has given everything hes got to a shit organization, and is just fed up and wants to move on....hes the bad guy???

[CountryBob]

Every contract should have a bailout clause - so the owners recoup money spent and the player can leave a shit hole after a certain time.

[Snoogans]

there is another thing no one thinks about in contracts. Yea ok, the guy might be gettin say 2 mill for 2 more years and deserves to be gettin 6 or 7. But he isnt just gettin 2 mill. He got alot of money up front, an advance from those years salaries.

Take Osi, his deal avg to like 8 mill a year. He is due to get 3 and 3 this and next year, but thats because they gave him up front bonuses out of that that he asked for. Well, now you have to repay what you were advanced, like you would at any other place you get an advance on money. You are gettin 8 mill a year, you just got 5 of it already. Time to honor your side of the advance now

guys like desean jackson say, who were drafted 2nd round and are vastly outperforming the total value of their deal, im all for those guys holdin out. When revis held out, i think he was fine to do say based on his deal and things that were told to him. but when a guy gets a big money deal, gets a ton of it in advance, and then acts like he is underpaid playing out the end, thats some fuckin bullshit

[Snoogans]

its the same thing when a team cuts a guy. yea you might be losing out on some good money, but chances are if you are losing big money, you also got some good money up front, so it all works out the same

[JimBeam]

I dont believe in honoring contracts in the NFL. The owners dont, the players shouldnt have to. He wants to be dealt. Stop being spiteful and get rid of the guy. Nobody said you have to trade huim to a good team. If the owners gonna be a spiteful dick, then he should give it right back. Also how can the other team crush him? All he has to do is toss the ball to a D linemen and watch him run it back.

What employer does have to keep you as an employee ?

I know there are thousands of people out of work now that had jobs with companies that simply said " There's the door. "

Why should an athlete, on top of making ridiculous sums of money, aslo be guranteed the right to keep doing so ?

You don't want to be subjected to the kind of treatment that goes on in the NFL then go get a real job.

How many of these guys would be making a salary even 1/100 of what they get paid in another occupation ?

You sign a contract and you get paid whatever it is that that contract says is guananteed and nothing more. You want more money guranteed than argue that before you sign or again get yourself the classisifieds and hit the street.

The notion of " outperforming " a contract is ridiculous. Outside of incentive clauses your job is to help the team win by doing your best.

So if a player wants to get paid after having a great season and their numbers ever fall below that season should they then get docked pay ?

I doubt they'd want that.

[sailor]

How come nobody really bitches when guys demand trades before even suting up like Eli Manning and John Elway, but when a guy has given everything hes got to a shit organization, and is just fed up and wants to move on....hes the bad guy???

Contracts not being guaranteed is part of the framework the union agreed to. And I'm pretty sure people bit he'd about Eli's shenanigans, unless my memory is off.

[TripleSkeet]

The notion of " outperforming " a contract is ridiculous. Outside of incentive clauses your job is to help the team win by doing your best.

So if a player wants to get paid after having a great season and their numbers ever fall below that season should they then get docked pay ?

I doubt they'd want that.

This is just crazy talk. No they dont get docked pay. They get cut. Thats why if I was Desean Jackson, I wouldnt suit up for 1 game without a new contract. The guys about 175 pounds and hes making less money then the fucking long snapper. 30 highest paid player on the team.

Fuck that. I wouldnt go out there and risk my health for 1/2 a million when for the last 2 years youve been getting Ferrari perfomances while paying for a fucking Toyota. If he breaks his ankle or blows out a knee hes just completely fucked himself and his family for who knows how many years.

I dont think this Palmer situation is even close to the same thing. I think if he was responsible to pay money back if he was traded, he would, but I dont know what his deal is. All I know is this owner is fucking his team and fans even more by paying a guy to sit home that you could probably get some decent pieces for in a trade.

[JimBeam]

This is just crazy talk. No they dont get docked pay. They get cut. Thats why if I was Desean Jackson, I wouldnt suit up for 1 game without a new contract. The guys about 175 pounds and hes making less money then the fucking long snapper. 30 highest paid player on the team.

Fuck that. I wouldnt go out there and risk my health for 1/2 a million when for the last 2 years youve been getting Ferrari perfomances while paying for a fucking Toyota. If he breaks his ankle or blows out a knee hes just completely fucked himself and his family for who knows how many years.

I dont think this Palmer situation is even close to the same thing. I think if he was responsible to pay money back if he was traded, he would, but I dont know what his deal is. All I know is this owner is fucking his team and fans even more by paying a guy to sit home that you could probably get some decent pieces for in a trade.

So if a RB rushes for 1900 yards in his " outperforming " year and then runs for only 1800 his next year he has now underperformed and should be docked pay.

Why cut him ?

He's still productive to the team, you know, his purpose for even being employed.

I wouldnt go out there and risk my health ...

I hope every athelete does this.

I love watching news stories about a guy that was at one time making hundreds of thousands of dollars and then later on he's homeless or in jail.

Puts all the hard working everyday people's lives in perspective.

[Snacks]

This is just crazy talk. No they dont get docked pay. They get cut. Thats why if I was Desean Jackson, I wouldnt suit up for 1 game without a new contract. The guys about 175 pounds and hes making less money then the fucking long snapper. 30 highest paid player on the team.

Fuck that. I wouldnt go out there and risk my health for 1/2 a million when for the last 2 years youve been getting Ferrari perfomances while paying for a fucking Toyota. If he breaks his ankle or blows out a knee hes just completely fucked himself and his family for who knows how many years.

I dont think this Palmer situation is even close to the same thing. I think if he was responsible to pay money back if he was traded, he would, but I dont know what his deal is. All I know is this owner is fucking his team and fans even more by paying a guy to sit home that you could probably get some decent pieces for in a trade.

I agree with this because these are contracts. In any other job or career if you have a contract the company cant just rip it up. In he NFL they can and you may never get another. These are short term careers you need to worry about you and make all you can in that short period of time. Carson might have a good financial contract but the owner is still fucking his team. Hes a stubborn asshole who was 1 of the big reasons for the lockout because he wasnt making as much as the jerry jones of the nfl. He is a small market team who wont sell his stadium naming rights because he likes to honor his dead daddy which is fine but you cant bitch about money when you have a choice either keep daddys name on the stadium and make a little less or be a greedy fuck and sell the rights for millions! As for why hes hurting his team, he has been a terrible owner and has done shit like this in the past. he was offered 2 1st rounders from Washington 3 years ago for ocho he said no because it was a way out for ocho. so he held on to him, the team didnt win and now he trades ocho for a 6th rounder.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/7/29/2302736/chad-ochocinco-trade-is-another-example-that-mike-browns-principles

now he is doing the same, he would rather hurt the player and the team then help someone who has been loyal but cant take it anymore.

[JimBeam]

I agree with this because these are contracts. In any other job or career if you have a contract the company cant just rip it up.

They most certainly can. It's called a buy out or they can just pay you whatever the contract says.

So if an NFL contract stats that X amount is guaranteed and the rest is earned then contractually you'd only get what was guaranteed.

Like any job an NFL player is an expendable part for which there are other options.

While the risk of injury for a football player versus an accountant is heavily slanted to the side of the player the potential yearly income is equally as slanted.

[Snoogans]

They most certainly can. It's called a buy out or they can just pay you whatever the contract says.

So if an NFL contract stats that X amount is guaranteed and the rest is earned then contractually you'd only get what was guaranteed.

Like any job an NFL player is an expendable part for which there are other options.

While the risk of injury for a football player versus an accountant is heavily slanted to the side of the player the potential yearly income is equally as slanted.

well said, and incase anyone missed it as the last post on the last page, i submit this:

there is another thing no one thinks about in contracts. Yea ok, the guy might be gettin say 2 mill for 2 more years and deserves to be gettin 6 or 7. But he isnt just gettin 2 mill. He got alot of money up front, an advance from those years salaries.

Take Osi, his deal avg to like 8 mill a year. He is due to get 3 and 3 this and next year, but thats because they gave him up front bonuses out of that that he asked for. Well, now you have to repay what you were advanced, like you would at any other place you get an advance on money. You are gettin 8 mill a year, you just got 5 of it already. Time to honor your side of the advance now

guys like desean jackson say, who were drafted 2nd round and are vastly outperforming the total value of their deal, im all for those guys holdin out. When revis held out, i think he was fine to do say based on his deal and things that were told to him. but when a guy gets a big money deal, gets a ton of it in advance, and then acts like he is underpaid playing out the end, thats some fuckin bullshit

[TripleSkeet]

So if a RB rushes for 1900 yards in his " outperforming " year and then runs for only 1800 his next year he has now underperformed and should be docked pay.

Why cut him ?

He's still productive to the team, you know, his purpose for even being employed.



I hope every athelete does this.

I love watching news stories about a guy that was at one time making hundreds of thousands of dollars and then later on he's homeless or in jail.

Puts all the hard working everyday people's lives in perspective.

That just pure jealousy there. Would I love to be paid millions to play football? Sure. But why should I be jealous because these guys have the talent to do it? They probably work harder at their jobs then you do. Everyone acts like they work once a week. Sure. They dont work out hours every day, pracitice for months, study film in their evenings, and then do other shit like personal appearances and promotions for the team. Then diet and work out in the offseason to stay in shape.

Nah, they work 3 hours a week running up and down a field. :wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

That just pure jealousy there. Would I love to be paid millions to play football? Sure. But why should I be jealous because these guys have the talent to do it? They probably work harder at their jobs then you do. Everyone acts like they work once a week. Sure. They dont work out hours every day, pracitice for months, study film in their evenings, and then do other shit like personal appearances and promotions for the team. Then diet and work out in the offseason to stay in shape.

Nah, they work 3 hours a week running up and down a field. :wallbash:




simple minded people just dont understand

[underdog]

What employer does have to keep you as an employee ?

I know there are thousands of people out of work now that had jobs with companies that simply said " There's the door. "

Why should an athlete, on top of making ridiculous sums of money, aslo be guranteed the right to keep doing so ?

You don't want to be subjected to the kind of treatment that goes on in the NFL then go get a real job.

How many of these guys would be making a salary even 1/100 of what they get paid in another occupation ?

You sign a contract and you get paid whatever it is that that contract says is guananteed and nothing more. You want more money guranteed than argue that before you sign or again get yourself the classisifieds and hit the street.

The notion of " outperforming " a contract is ridiculous. Outside of incentive clauses your job is to help the team win by doing your best.

So if a player wants to get paid after having a great season and their numbers ever fall below that season should they then get docked pay ?

I doubt they'd want that.

Ugh.

Why do people ever side with the owners? I'll never understand it. Rich people are really, really, really good at making the retarded majority think they're on their side. The fact that anyone thinks tax cuts for the rich are a good idea or anyone actually sided with the owners during the NFL lockout is proof positive.

[JimBeam]

So I should side with some jackass just because he can run a 4.4 40 yard dash but probably can't balance his own checkbook ?

Incidentally it has nothing to do with owners because I have the same feelings towards kids who have scholarships to colleges.

But I will gladly side with a guy that's built his empire mostlu outside of football and then decides to use his wealth to fund a game that's fun to watch.

Only so many people can own and run a team but there are clearly thousands that can play football.

That just pure jealousy there. Would I love to be paid millions to play football? Sure. But why should I be jealous because these guys have the talent to do it? They probably work harder at their jobs then you do. Everyone acts like they work once a week. Sure. They dont work out hours every day, pracitice for months, study film in their evenings, and then do other shit like personal appearances and promotions for the team. Then diet and work out in the offseason to stay in shape.

Jealousy ?

Isn't that what the players are doing when they cry about owners, who put up all of the financial risk to run a team, make more than them ?

Plus if I was gonna be 10 years old and be jealous I think it'd be of a movie star before a football player.

[JimBeam]

Rich people are really, really, really good at making the retarded majority think they're on their side.

Now you're off on some tangent.

Yeah I let Jerry Jones dictate my opinions to me.

Maybe you're that simple minded but I can assure you that I'm not.

In almost ever case I will always side with the person who owns something and takes their money to invest in that something before I would an employee.

[TripleSkeet]

So I should side with some jackass just because he can run a 4.4 40 yard dash but probably can't balance his own checkbook ?

Incidentally it has nothing to do with owners because I have the same feelings towards kids who have scholarships to colleges.

But I will gladly side with a guy that's built his empire mostlu outside of football and then decides to use his wealth to fund a game that's fun to watch.

Only so many people can own and run a team but there are clearly thousands that can play football.



Jealousy ?

Isn't that what the players are doing when they cry about owners, who put up all of the financial risk to run a team, make more than them ?

Plus if I was gonna be 10 years old and be jealous I think it'd be of a movie star before a football player.

Yea, they take some risk buying a football team. Let me tell you. NFL teams are better investments then gold. They never go down in value. I dont think its ever happened. Fuck the owners. They make BILLIONS. So yes, I think they should have to fucking share that money fairly with the guys who put their health on the line making them that money.

You know, I would side with the owners if ONE FUCKING TIME, when they lower their payroll, or cut a big money player or just cant put together a team that can win, they give some of that money back to the fans by lowering ticket prices. Thats why people that side with the owners are fucking dumb. Because these greedy fucks cry poor while RAPING the common man with their prices for tickets, concessions, and memorabilia. At least the players want more money from guys making billions, not regular people making $50k a year.

[epo]

That just pure jealousy there. Would I love to be paid millions to play football? Sure. But why should I be jealous because these guys have the talent to do it? They probably work harder at their jobs then you do. Everyone acts like they work once a week. Sure. They dont work out hours every day, pracitice for months, study film in their evenings, and then do other shit like personal appearances and promotions for the team. Then diet and work out in the offseason to stay in shape.

Nah, they work 3 hours a week running up and down a field. :wallbash:

I agree with your overall point which is simple: Players have little leverage, so why not use it?

If you are a young player, why not stretch the eligibility to force guaranteed money? If you are veteran, why not force a trade?

The way the system is set up, its not like the owners give a fuck about honoring these non-guaranteed contracts.

[TripleSkeet]

I agree with your overall point which is simple: Players have little leverage, so why not use it?

If you are a young player, why not stretch the eligibility to force guaranteed money? If you are veteran, why not force a trade?

The way the system is set up, its not like the owners give a fuck about honoring these non-guaranteed contracts.

Not only do they not give a fuck, they plan on not honoring them. The Eagles were famous for deals that would give the player big money one year, then the next year or 2, having a very low pay, then the last year also being a big pay year, and cutting that player before he reached it.

Thats why TO fought for a new contract after his first year. He had a big pay year that year, and his 2nd year he wasnt making shit. His 3rd year was to be another big pay year and he felt they were going to cut him before he could get it like they had done to others before him.

[sailor]

again, they should fight for changing contract guarantees during the collective bargaining.

[TripleSkeet]

again, they should fight for changing contract guarantees during the collective bargaining.

The owners would NEVER go for guaranteed contracts in football, I dont think it would work. Careers arent nearly as long as other sports and theres too much turnover. So I can see them not wanting them. But when you do have cases of players playing above their pay grade, dont be greedy fucks, just reward the guy. And dont cry about players not honoring a contract when you can cut the guy as soon as he has a bad year or an injury.

[hanso]

Palmer for C Johnson. They are both kinda in the same boat with teams not budging.

[cougarjake13]

Palmer for C Johnson. They are both kinda in the same boat with teams not budging.



c johnson ??

[hanso]

Chris Johnson, RB for the Tennessee Titans.

[Snoogans]

Chris Johnson, RB for the Tennessee Titans.

ummm, yea i dont think tennessee is that stupid

[cougarjake13]

Chris Johnson, RB for the Tennessee Titans.




ahh fuck

so simple it flew right by me

[spoon]

Contracts not being guaranteed is part of the framework the union agreed to. And I'm pretty sure people bit he'd about Eli's shenanigans, unless my memory is off.

Plenty, especially me, ripped Eli for being daddy's bitch and Elway had plenty of detractors. It's forgotten more or less now bc it's in the past for years, especially Elway and Jim Kelly.

Here's the bottom line on Cincy and Palmer. Yes the owner and org aren't exactly the best at what they do, but it isn't like Palmer was putting up crazy numbers himself and didn't know the deal going in. Cincy has been the same shit for YEARS, and he got the contract he wanted and signed it. I have no problem with what the org's stance is here, as allowing him to call his own trade is complete bs and sets an awful precedent.

This pretty much lines up with how Sanders career ended. He didn't make much noise about his anger with the organization, but he has stated that if traded vs Detroit retaining his rights, he may have continued to play in the NFL vs retiring. Yet moving him would have probably hurt the team's future contracts and negotiations, not to mention the fans being really irked about losing their franchise player. Look at how well that worked out for Colts moving Elway versus Buffalo standing their ground with Kelly.

My guess here is one of the two will crack, but most likely it'll be Palmer as it should be. I doubt VERY much that Mike Brown will move Palmer minus a rediculous offer by a team in need with some hope of contending. Palmer is NOT an elite player, much less very good for years, so I'm not sure anyone is truly willing to make that move...unless he can play in the secondary for the Giants!

[spoon]

Ugh.

Why do people ever side with the owners? I'll never understand it. Rich people are really, really, really good at making the retarded majority think they're on their side. The fact that anyone thinks tax cuts for the rich are a good idea or anyone actually sided with the owners during the NFL lockout is proof positive.

Now you're off on some tangent.

Yeah I let Jerry Jones dictate my opinions to me.

Maybe you're that simple minded but I can assure you that I'm not.

In almost ever case I will always side with the person who owns something and takes their money to invest in that something before I would an employee.

Tangent is right. Simple minded is not looking at each case individually and being clouded by your bias. The situation here is less about rich versus the masses, but the mega rich versus the rich. Hell, that actually has nothing to do with this argument in my mind. It's more based on precedent and sticking to your guns so others don't do the same. Poorly run or not, Cincy surely can't allow every decent player to demand trades after signing multi-year deals. Yes they had offers on Chad Johnson, but they made him honor his contract and play it out. They got plenty of value from him since then vs draft picks who you can't be sure of either way, all the while they showed their organization refuses to be pushed into moving a player locked in for years bc they decide they no longer what to play the contract out.

Sorry, tax cuts for the poor and the lockout are completely off pace in this conversation. Those are both separate discussions with completely different factors. And for the record I am completely against the tax cuts and sided with the players in most areas of their dispute. Yet are you telling me the owners had no validity with their rookie contract concerns? To me, this is an example showing that even when on one side you can see a valid point by those on the other.

[spoon]

Not only do they not give a fuck, they plan on not honoring them. The Eagles were famous for deals that would give the player big money one year, then the next year or 2, having a very low pay, then the last year also being a big pay year, and cutting that player before he reached it.

Thats why TO fought for a new contract after his first year. He had a big pay year that year, and his 2nd year he wasnt making shit. His 3rd year was to be another big pay year and he felt they were going to cut him before he could get it like they had done to others before him.

again, they should fight for changing contract guarantees during the collective bargaining.

Agreed, or not sign an awful contract with a team "famous for deals that would give the player big money one year.....". You get the point, TO and his agent signed off on that contract in the end.

[spoon]

The owners would NEVER go for guaranteed contracts in football, I dont think it would work. Careers arent nearly as long as other sports and theres too much turnover. So I can see them not wanting them. But when you do have cases of players playing above their pay grade, dont be greedy fucks, just reward the guy. And dont cry about players not honoring a contract when you can cut the guy as soon as he has a bad year or an injury.

First off, there is a thing called a salary cap that a team has to take into account when lining up their contracts. If owners were to constantly reward players for better than expected years, they'd also have to do the same the other way and run the risk of complete chaos in regard to the cap.

A contract is a contract. Honor it or get escape clauses in there if you're so concerned about being underpaid in the future or more. It's what your agent is paid to do, protect your career and value, maxing out on what you can get for the time you are in the league. At any time your value is obviously different and everyone is allowed to sign with any team while a free agent. Palmer easily could have gone this route in the past but didn't. Now if he never recovered from his knee injury against Pitt, do you think he'd give back his gar money too? Zero probability on that one bc he hasn't been the same since to be honest.

[spoon]

Interesting side note to this debate: Jordan cut from Cincy. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvYkBP3vEIau4LU42qbY5smYNN_Q?docId=923aecf60 3dd4b139d27dd8aa535efdb)
Does anyone truly believe this guy ever deserved to be in the NFL? He was clearly there for Carson.

Also, to snoogans point Carson signed two contracts over his career, the last one during the middle of his first to up his yearly pay based on his good play. His current deal is 6 yr(s) / $118,750,000 and he now has received about 25 million in signing bonuses with more on the line as playing quals come into effect.

So what's the one factor not mentioned quite yet that I eluded to in a recent post? CAP HITS. Yah the Bengals aren't at the salary cap top line just yet, but they already are going to take a hit with Ochocinco's bonuses left spread out over the contract's duration, they'd have to do the same for Palmer.

[spoon]

I agree with this because these are contracts. In any other job or career if you have a contract the company cant just rip it up. In he NFL they can and you may never get another. These are short term careers you need to worry about you and make all you can in that short period of time. Carson might have a good financial contract but the owner is still fucking his team. Hes a stubborn asshole who was 1 of the big reasons for the lockout because he wasnt making as much as the jerry jones of the nfl. He is a small market team who wont sell his stadium naming rights because he likes to honor his dead daddy which is fine but you cant bitch about money when you have a choice either keep daddys name on the stadium and make a little less or be a greedy fuck and sell the rights for millions! As for why hes hurting his team, he has been a terrible owner and has done shit like this in the past. he was offered 2 1st rounders from Washington 3 years ago for ocho he said no because it was a way out for ocho. so he held on to him, the team didnt win and now he trades ocho for a 6th rounder.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/7/29/2302736/chad-ochocinco-trade-is-another-example-that-mike-browns-principles

now he is doing the same, he would rather hurt the player and the team then help someone who has been loyal but cant take it anymore.

Ok, hyperbole of misleading information is either your forte or you simply don't read the links you post. First off, it's been reported this may have been the offer, it's not something we actually saw. To me, it's grandstanding unless the team, not coach, states it happened. In fact, the skin's seemingly never confirmed this either. Also, even with this report it says a 1st and a 3rd conditionally better if conditions of trade are met. The rumored condition to make the 3rd to 1st was that Ocho had to catch 95 fucking passes from JASON CAMBELL that first year after the trade. Sorry, that was NOT HAPPENING.

And finally, it may be small but seemingly adds to you trying to make your point bigger in the above post, but New England gave up a 5th AND 6th for Ocho, not just a 6th. Oh and let's not just throw away that Cincy got three more years with the number one wideout as well. So of course his value drops a little as he hits his mid thirties.

[Snacks]

Ok, hyperbole of misleading information is either your forte or you simply don't read the links you post. First off, it's been reported this may have been the offer, it's not something we actually saw. To me, it's grandstanding unless the team, not coach, states it happened. In fact, the skin's seemingly never confirmed this either. Also, even with this report it says a 1st and a 3rd conditionally better if conditions of trade are met. The rumored condition to make the 3rd to 1st was that Ocho had to catch 95 fucking passes from JASON CAMBELL that first year after the trade. Sorry, that was NOT HAPPENING.

And finally, it may be small but seemingly adds to you trying to make your point bigger in the above post, but New England gave up a 5th AND 6th for Ocho, not just a 6th. Oh and let's not just throw away that Cincy got three more years with the number one wideout as well. So of course his value drops a little as he hits his mid thirties.

wtf are you talking about? right in the 1st article that was written back when this happened in 2008 that Marvin Lewis confirmed that they turned down Washington's offer of 2 picks? He had to admit the story was accurate! What else did you want to see the trade actually happen? Is that the only way you would believe the story because the coach admitting it and ESPN reporting it wasnt truthful or fact enough for you?

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, who initially denied the team had received offers for Johnson during a Tuesday news conference, confirmed to ESPN that Cincinnati turned down Washington's offer of two picks over the weekend.

"Once I actually read what was reported, I have to be truthful and say that the story is accurate," Lewis told ESPN. "Unfortunately, I didn't read it until after our press conference."

And yes they did offer a 1st rounder with a conditional 3rd rounder that could have been another 1st rounder. The condition would have made it 2 1st rounders but they were getting at the very least a 1st and a 3rd!

The Redskins offered their first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first-rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

The better questions should be Did you read the article posted or dont understand or believe what the coach or ESPN had to say?

As for the actual trade I missed the 5th rounder part. So what they got late picks a 5th and 6th in different years. Cincy cant make good decisions when they have top 5 1st round picks what do you expect them to get with NEs picks? Nothing! Plus is NE is any good which they usually are these picks will be later picks from those rounds.

The fact remains that they got nothing out of keeping Ocho the past 3 years when his value was its highest. Even though I like Ocho they should have traded him. he didnt want to be there and they hurt their team by not trading him sooner just because they dont want to let players go that want to go. Sometimes you have to trade unhappy players especially when it will help your team. I cant believe you are actually defending Brown, he is the worst owner in the NFL and is a douche. He likes to do shit like this to players as like proof he owns them. Neither Ocho or Palmer want to leave because of money. I respect that even more, they want to leave because their owner sucks and the team doesnt try to win. If they wanted to be traded because of money only then I would be against them because they do have huge contracts but they dont they want to have a better chance at winning, money is not the issue with either of them. So this is totally different then most other disputes like Vincent Jackson and SD and others like that!

[spoon]

Yes snacks, THE COACH, as I too stated, confirmed an offer of "two picks", nothing about specifics. He stated that alone and correct me if I'm wrong but coaches don't make trades, GM's with owner approval make them, more owner based in Cincy. So I'm sorry if I don't just take Lewis's back and fro dance and lack of specifics as a sure thing when either side's management did the same. Lewis often puts bs out there with his players in these situations for whatever reasons. Go back and read issues linked to Dillion and now Palmer. He's often NOT on the same page as his own management.

Sometimes you have to trade unhappy players especially when it will help your team. I cant believe you are actually defending Brown, he is the worst owner in the NFL and is a douche. He likes to do shit like this to players as like proof he owns them. Neither Ocho or Palmer want to leave because of money. I respect that even more, they want to leave because their owner sucks and the team doesnt try to win. If they wanted to be traded because of money only then I would be against them because they do have huge contracts but they dont they want to have a better chance at winning, money is not the issue with either of them. So this is totally different then most other disputes like Vincent Jackson and SD and others like that!

And sometimes you have to stand your ground bc players always bitch. Also, am I defending Brown or the other side of the way this can be looked at? I have no love or anger for Brown, I simply don't care. You however claim he's an idiot for having any standards, honoring his father versus lining up more cash and making his players play out their contracts. I have no issue with that.

There is also a difference between a team run bad and a team that "doesn't try to win". They sign good players at the time to huge extensions (Palmer) and Ochocinco was top 5 paid at the time he wanted out. So of course it's not about money, even though Cincy clearly doesn't WANT to win right? They make bad calls and need better football people in key spots, especially coaching and a void at gm. Saying he doesn't want to win, being that he's overly involved even for an NFL owner, is simply wrong. He sucks at it, sure. If you don't want to play in Cincy don't sign there it's that fucking simple. Once you do, I don't feel sorry for you in the least.

[TripleSkeet]

Spoon, one question. If you are Desean Jackson, do you compete under the contract where youre making less then the long snapper or do you hold out for a new contract?

[boobieman]

I think he should play out the contract...and if he does not get what he wants by end of the year..he goes free agent and then could make a boat load. I want the Eagles to resign him, give him a new contract but won't happen until Vick's contract gets straightened out.

What Chris Johnson is doing is going to hurt him. Why would any team want a player who holds out...just don't seeing it helping them.

SSEYEYYAAAA

[TripleSkeet]

Well, vicks deal is done now. Time to get Jackson his deal. His injury risk is too high not to get it done.

[Snoogans]

Giants fuckin blow

[Snacks]

Well, vicks deal is done now. Time to get Jackson his deal. His injury risk is too high not to get it done.

6 years $100 million thats a lot for a guy who is 31 and never won anything, is always an injury risk and has only thrown for 300 yards 1 time (and thats not even a lot in todays NFL)

I do like Vick and think hes good but he has always been a little overrated for what he actually does as a QB. Im actually shocked by this deal. I thought at best he would get 4 years maybe $50 million with a lot less guaranteed! They gave him Brady and Manning money!

[Snoogans]

6 years $100 million thats a lot for a guy who is 31 and never won anything, is always an injury risk and has only thrown for 300 yards 1 time (and thats not even a lot in todays NFL)

I do like Vick and think hes good but he has always been a little overrated for what he actually does as a QB. Im actually shocked by this deal. I thought at best he would get 4 years maybe $50 million with a lot less guaranteed! They gave him Brady and Manning money!

please, they have future HOF Vince Young as their backup. Whats a few mill on a guy who isnt playing when you got guns like that in the wings

[spoon]

Spoon, one question. If you are Desean Jackson, do you compete under the contract where youre making less then the long snapper or do you hold out for a new contract?

That one is a tougher question to me. Here we aren't talking about a guy who got his yet and is severely underpaid and it's clear. My take would have been to strike a deal/work it out in private, but if they hold out on me, I remember when free agency comes up. We don't know who is out of bounds here either. Perhaps DJ is asking crazy money, or Philly are being cheap with a guy who wants to get at least good value for his talents. Or maybe they are just working it out over the preseason and they'll both be ready to roll out a new deal like Vick just did.

There is def a risk playing UNTIL you become a FA, so I see the risk. With Palmer, he got his and he won't man up on it bc Cincy continued to be Cincy under his era. They are completely different situations to me.

[TripleSkeet]

That one is a tougher question to me. Here we aren't talking about a guy who got his yet and is severely underpaid and it's clear. My take would have been to strike a deal/work it out in private, but if they hold out on me, I remember when free agency comes up. We don't know who is out of bounds here either. Perhaps DJ is asking crazy money, or Philly are being cheap with a guy who wants to get at least good value for his talents. Or maybe they are just working it out over the preseason and they'll both be ready to roll out a new deal like Vick just did.

There is def a risk playing UNTIL you become a FA, so I see the risk. With Palmer, he got his and he won't man up on it bc Cincy continued to be Cincy under his era. They are completely different situations to me.

I agree they are completely different situations. I wouldnt compare them at all. I also think they will have a deal worked out before the season starts. But if I am him, I dont step on that field til it is.

I couldnt imagine having the talent he has and risking a career ending injury after making a total of $3 million for my career. Hes already had 2 concussions. Hes not a big guy and he plays balls out, the way you want an NFL player to play. It also makes him high risk. After what hes done the last 2 years I dont know how they dont pay him.

[hanso]

6 years $100 million thats a lot for a guy who is 31 and never won anything, is always an injury risk and has only thrown for 300 yards 1 time (and thats not even a lot in todays NFL)

I do like Vick and think hes good but he has always been a little overrated for what he actually does as a QB. Im actually shocked by this deal. I thought at best he would get 4 years maybe $50 million with a lot less guaranteed! They gave him Brady and Manning money!

Think he had the highest ever points for a fantasy game last season. And this is the same he was paid back with ATL ..

[Rhah]

Goddam Briggs wants a trade now since Bears didn't give him a raise. He just held out a few years ago and a got a ton of upfront money.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/6921421/chicago-bears-lance-briggs-seeks-trade-not-getting-raise

[Snacks]

Goddam Briggs wants a trade now since Bears didn't give him a raise. He just held out a few years ago and a got a ton of upfront money.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/6921421/chicago-bears-lance-briggs-seeks-trade-not-getting-raise

Good for him, this is the last chance he has to make big money. The Bears are $19 million (according to espn) under the cap and can afford to give him a raise. If they give him a raise of $2 million a year for the remaining 3 years he would probably be happy! Im sure he isnt happy that Urlacher makes more (double this season) then him and Briggs imo is better and younger.

[razorboy]

Former Sooner and Buccaneer great Lee Roy Selmon has passed away following a stroke. (http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/former-tampa-bay-buccaneer-great-lee-roy-selmon-dies/1189484)

One of the all-time greats and possibly the nicest gentleman I have ever had the pleasure of meeting and getting to know a little bit. A very sad day indeed in Tampa sports.

[cougarjake13]

Former Sooner and Buccaneer great Lee Roy Selmon has passed away following a stroke. (http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/former-tampa-bay-buccaneer-great-lee-roy-selmon-dies/1189484)

One of the all-time greats and possibly the nicest gentleman I have ever had the pleasure of meeting and getting to know a little bit. A very sad day indeed in Tampa sports.



well that sad news indeed

[razorboy]

well that sad news indeed

Now they've changed the link and his brother Dewey is saying the reports were premature. I can only hope for good news.

[cougarjake13]

Now they've changed the link and his brother Dewey is saying the reports were premature. I can only hope for good news.

yeh i saw that now its he had a stroke but not dead

[hanso]

He was the bright spot on that losing season way back when.

[razorboy]

Well, it's official now sadly.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article1189808.ece

Number 63 passed today according to his family. One of the greatest 3-4 ends ever but so much more important to the Tampa Bay community as a contributor, ambassador and human being.

[sailor]

Well, it's official now sadly.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article1189808.ece

Number 63 passed today according to his family. One of the greatest 3-4 ends ever but so much more important to the Tampa Bay community as a contributor, ambassador and human being.

Fez will be inconsolable.

[cougarjake13]

Well, it's official now sadly.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article1189808.ece

Number 63 passed today according to his family. One of the greatest 3-4 ends ever but so much more important to the Tampa Bay community as a contributor, ambassador and human being.

yeh it didnt seem like it was gonna turn around for the good

[hanso]

TB to win SB in his honor.

[Kevin]

TB to win SB in his honor.

Maybe if he died 2 years from now...

[cougarjake13]

TB to win SB in his honor.

they wouldnt even win the ufl championship

[hanso]

They should have been in playoffs last season with ten wins. Their QB had less then 20 pts fewer than Brees in fantasy. And he could get better.

Got a beast RB to boot.

[cougarjake13]

They should have been in playoffs last season with ten wins. Their QB had less then 20 pts fewer than Brees in fantasy. And he could get better.

Got a beast RB to boot.

they didnt win enough games so they were exactly were they should be

[King Hippos Bandaid]

any late round sleepers for my fantasy draft on Wednesday.. wish I had more time to prep..

[Marc with a c]

any late round sleepers for my fantasy draft on Wednesday.. wish I had more time to prep..

stop eating so much and do some research.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

stop eating so much and do some research.


can't argue, am eating...

Kolb for QB and Breaston and Simms Walker for WR are some I am thinking about... but how can you research gut feelings

now on with the gut size jokes...

[Earlshog]

can't argue, am eating...

Kolb for QB and Breaston and Simms Walker for WR are some I am thinking about... but how can you research gut feelings

now on with the gut size jokes...

Were you thinking Garrard was gonna have a big year for Jacksonville? :wink:

[Snacks]

Goodell just spoke on ESPN about Tressel and said if the Colts didnt suspend him for the first 6 games then he would have done so himself.

What does 1 thing have to do with the other? The NCAA is a private organization that has nothing to do with the NFL. Tressel did nothing illegal or even wrong other then go against a private org rules that has nothing to do with the NFL. Why should he be suspended? The NFL is setting a precedent here that is not a good one and should be fought by all owners, unions, players, coaches etc.

Its not like I like Tressel or Ohio St, I actually usually root against them! Its about the NFL and Goodell being a power hungry douche who makes up rules and fines or suspends whenever he chooses too!

[TripleSkeet]

Goodell just spoke on ESPN about Tressel and said if the Colts didnt suspend him for the first 6 games then he would have done so himself.

What does 1 thing have to do with the other? The NCAA is a private organization that has nothing to do with the NFL. Tressel did nothing illegal or even wrong other then go against a private org rules that has nothing to do with the NFL. Why should he be suspended? The NFL is setting a precedent here that is not a good one and should be fought by all owners, unions, players, coaches etc.

Its not like I like Tressel or Ohio St, I actually usually root against them! Its about the NFL and Goodell being a power hungry douche who makes up rules and fines or suspends whenever he chooses too!

As far as being a horrible commisioner, its amazing but hes already approaching Selig and Stern status.

[sailor]

Peyton apparently going to miss the opening game; ending his streak at 227 games.

[JimBeam]

I usually agree w/ most of what Goodell has done so far, including the Pryor thing, but this doesn't make sense.

With a player, as in Pryor's case, you could say that they circumvented the rules to get into the draft and that's why you're penalizing them.

To me a coach is different because in a way it's management and while his conduct wasn't the best at Ohio St he was fored and didn't hget himself fired just to coach for the Colts.

The ruling bothers me because he didn't do anything to Bush and Carroll. Now I would've been against him doing anything to either, since it was so far removed, but especially to Carroll.

Again he's not a player and is more so an employye of an NFL team so if they didn't care what his resumes looked like than neither should the NFL.

Do we know if he's also going after any and all players referenced in the Oh St investigation ? How about the Miami one ?

Like somebody said it's setting a dangerous prescedent.

[foodcourtdruide]

Peyton apparently going to miss the opening game; ending his streak at 227 games.

bummer

[CountryBob]

Just let him hand off the first play and get him out of there - or is that a cheap way to continue the streak?

Nascar does it - if a driver starts the race then he can swap out to a back up driver and get all of the points that scab provides

[Earlshog]

Peyton apparently going to miss the opening game; ending his streak at 227 games.

This makes Jacksonville's move even more puzzling to me. For arguments sake let's say Manning doesn't come back this season (not beyond the realm of possibility when you are talking about a neck injury). You have six winnable division games. You also play Cincy, Carolina, and Cleveland. A few bounces the right way and you could be right in the thick of things. It happens to at least three teams every year. Instead they gave up on the season before it starts. Guess you get what you pay for, and most of the games will be blacked out this season. Nice of them to fuck Garrard and hold him to the last second so he would be of diminished value to another team. I understand it’s a business but that’s a pretty shitty way to treat a guy who gave nine years of his blood sweat and tears to your organization.

[Earlshog]

Just let him hand off the first play and get him out of there - or is that a cheap way to continue the streak?

Nascar does it - if a driver starts the race then he can swap out to a back up driver and get all of the points that scab provides

Manning has to much respect for the game to do something like that.

[CountryBob]

Manning has to much respect for the game to do something like that.

Yeah, he's a stand up guy. I hate that he didnt get the national championship at UT - Tee Martin who?

[Judge Smails]

I'm coining the name Eli "Iron"-Manning because he now has the longest streak. That dickbag, Chris Berman, better not swipe it.

[disneyspy]

do you mean chris "it's cold in here" berman?

[sailor]

do you mean chris "it's cold out here" berman?

Patrice left that detail out of his story.

[DJEvelEd]

Goodall and the "new" NFL are ruining the game with all these awful rules.

With this new shit rule about replaying EVERY touchdown play, theres an unintended possibility of a team being 1st & goal at the 1 yard line, if they run each time, it's possible to have replay after replay after replay after replay. Lets slow the game to a crawl why don't we. Oh wait! More advertising time gets sold...ahh... I see...

Then there's the bullshit 15 yard penalty for the coach throwing the red challenge flag if the refs decide NOT to challenge the TD but the coaches do. (Example Miami v. Tampa. Henne to Marshall TD was nice but he may have stepped out. They were about to kick the extra point when the Tampa coach threw the challenge flag to stop the EP. Tampa gets a 15 yard penalty because every TD gets reviewed and you cannot challenge a scoring play!!! BUT THEY WERE KICKING THE EP!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS A COACH SUPPOSED TO DO???? The assholes in the review booth missed that Marshall almost stepped out so they didn't consider it a "close play". This is fuckin bullshit! If youre gonna review every play, REVIEW EVERY PLAY AND DONT PUNISH THE COACH FOR TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT CALL!!!!

AND...the new "helmet to helmet on a defenseless receiver" rule. In the 2nd quarter of the Packers/Chiefs game at 10:15 there are 2 players are going for a passed ball and the old-as-fuck back judge calls #29 for the helmet on helmet foul. He's clearly trying to intercept the ball. So now DB's cant go after the ball? They are going to change games and change the game with these awful fucking rules. Im so sick of this player safety farce anymore. Protect the QB, FINE! Not the whole team! Play flag football in rubber suits or have robots play if you really people want to be safe.

Thank God for the Rugby World Cup. They still allow men to be men!

Go fuck yourself Goodell & the new NFL, you're ruining the game I've loved for over 30 years!!!

[hanso]

any late round sleepers for my fantasy draft on Wednesday.. wish I had more time to prep..

Mason, Mcluster, Toran,

[hanso]

This makes Jacksonville's move even more puzzling to me. For arguments sake let's say Manning doesn't come back this season (not beyond the realm of possibility when you are talking about a neck injury). You have six winnable division games. You also play Cincy, Carolina, and Cleveland. A few bounces the right way and you could be right in the thick of things. It happens to at least three teams every year. Instead they gave up on the season before it starts. Guess you get what you pay for, and most of the games will be blacked out this season. Nice of them to fuck Garrard and hold him to the last second so he would be of diminished value to another team. I understand it’s a business but that’s a pretty shitty way to treat a guy who gave nine years of his blood sweat and tears to your organization.

Think he is the size of a lineman. Thought I saw a clip of him play. It looked oddly funny to see him run.

[underdog]

I usually agree w/ most of what Goodell has done so far, including the Pryor thing, but this doesn't make sense.

With a player, as in Pryor's case, you could say that they circumvented the rules to get into the draft and that's why you're penalizing them.

To me a coach is different because in a way it's management and while his conduct wasn't the best at Ohio St he was fored and didn't hget himself fired just to coach for the Colts.

The ruling bothers me because he didn't do anything to Bush and Carroll. Now I would've been against him doing anything to either, since it was so far removed, but especially to Carroll.

Again he's not a player and is more so an employye of an NFL team so if they didn't care what his resumes looked like than neither should the NFL.

Do we know if he's also going after any and all players referenced in the Oh St investigation ? How about the Miami one ?

Like somebody said it's setting a dangerous prescedent.

The coaches that ruin these players' lives and careers get off with no problems, the majority of the times. School gets sanctioned, player gets suspended, coach gets to move on to a new team.

While I think Goodell goes a little nuts the majority of the time, I'm glad he was ready to fuck the ring leader.

[Snacks]

The coaches that ruin these players' lives and careers get off with no problems, the majority of the times. School gets sanctioned, player gets suspended, coach gets to move on to a new team.

While I think Goodell goes a little nuts the majority of the time, I'm glad he was ready to fuck the ring leader.

How is the coach the ring leader? All he did wrong was turn a blind eye. Now we can argue that all day but he is being blamed for others mistakes because he didnt report them. I would bet most coaches see their players getting free tats or dinner or drinks etc. At the very least they all hear about it and I would bet most if not all dont contact the NCAA and to be honest why would you? I understand that if and when you get caught sanctions can and will happen but most people dont turn themselves in for shit like this they take their chances. No matter who is wrong or did what was wrong in the NCAAs eyes it shouldnt carry over to the NFL. 1 has nothing to do with the other the NFL isnt associated with the NCAA so they shouldnt honor or care about another private org rules that are really meaningless!

[underdog]

How is the coach the ring leader? All he did wrong was turn a blind eye. Now we can argue that all day but he is being blamed for others mistakes because he didnt report them. I would bet most coaches see their players getting free tats or dinner or drinks etc. At the very least they all hear about it and I would bet most if not all dont contact the NCAA and to be honest why would you? I understand that if and when you get caught sanctions can and will happen but most people dont turn themselves in for shit like this they take their chances. No matter who is wrong or did what was wrong in the NCAAs eyes it shouldnt carry over to the NFL. 1 has nothing to do with the other the NFL isnt associated with the NCAA so they shouldnt honor or care about another private org rules that are really meaningless!

The owners of the NFL have allowed Goodell to have this unlimited power and now it looks like it's coming back to bite them (it's not, though; he'd never do anything to actually hurt the owners in any way).

And maybe Tressel wasn't the ring leader, but do you think all he did was turn a blind eye? You don't think he helped facilitate these meetings and brought kids to the school knowing full well the kick backs they could receive? The head coaches in football and basketball in the NCAA control everything and know when the boosters are around and what they're handing out.

[Snacks]

The owners of the NFL have allowed Goodell to have this unlimited power and now it looks like it's coming back to bite them (it's not, though; he'd never do anything to actually hurt the owners in any way).

And maybe Tressel wasn't the ring leader, but do you think all he did was turn a blind eye? You don't think he helped facilitate these meetings and brought kids to the school knowing full well the kick backs they could receive? The head coaches in football and basketball in the NCAA control everything and know when the boosters are around and what they're handing out.

I dont personally think now a days the head coach does anything directly because its so easy to get caught. I do think every single coach knows whats going on for the most part and knows that there are others giving out whatever it is they give out to these kids. I think they all turn a blind eye so they can later deny any knowledge.

[PapaBear]

Just let him hand off the first play and get him out of there - or is that a cheap way to continue the streak?

Nascar does it - if a driver starts the race then he can swap out to a back up driver and get all of the points that scab provides
In NASCAR, doing that is a means toward winning a championship. Doing that in football achieves nothing tangible.

[hanso]

I heard he could be gone for the season. It was just word of mouth from a co-worker not sure how much weight that carries.

[Earlshog]

I heard he could be gone for the season. It was just word of mouth from a co-worker not sure how much weight that carries.

has to be 99% to 100% accurate

[Earlshog]

WDNE-AM in Indianapolis is reporting that Colts QB Peyton Manning has undergone another surgical procedure on his neck and is in danger of missing the season. This is the second radio report from Indianapolis in less than a week that has suggested that Manning will not play in 2011. Manning has been ruled out for Week 1 at Houston already as he has not rehabbed quickly enough from neck surgery in May. "It will be tough not to be out there playing for the organization and our fans," Manning said regarding missing Week 1, per ESPN. "I simply am not healthy enough to play."

[disneyspy]

i'm gettin ready

[DJEvelEd]

I took the Texans in my Parlay. Colts without Manning is a bad team. It will take Collins a few more weeks to really understand the playbook and even when he does, he is a different manager of the game.

Manning can work on his tan.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/319242_256523241046456_100000663454480_868267_2344 684_n.jpg

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I am willing to bet that douchebag Favre would have played, even if he could sustain a career ending injury.. smart move by Manning, come back at op shape , or don't come back

[DJEvelEd]

Cal Ripkin too. It's one of the few stats you dont need talent for, just endurance. Favre & Manning at least won championships. Ripkin didn't do much else more than endure.

[Snacks]

Cal Ripkin too. It's one of the few stats you dont need talent for, just endurance. Favre & Manning at least won championships. Ripkin didn't do much else more than endure.

Yeah Cal Ripken wasnt league MVP the same year he and his Baltimore team won the world series in 1983!!!

He also wasnt the first power hitting short stop before this last generation of ARods and Nomar's.

He wasnt a 19 time all star, 2 time mvp, rookie of the year or 8 time silver slugger?

[DJEvelEd]

Sorry, Ripkin never did nothin for me. Everyone thinks he's the greatest baseman. There a dozens of better 3baseman. He lingered too longer too.

What the hell do I know, baseball is the most boring game anyway. I really dont care. I just remember watching him 20 years ago and being like...ho hum.

[Snacks]

Sorry, Ripkin never did nothin for me. Everyone thinks he's the greatest baseman. There a dozens of better 3baseman. He lingered too longer too.

What the hell do I know, baseball is the most boring game anyway. I really dont care. I just remember watching him and being like...ho hum.

he played 3rd base for 4 or 5 seasons of 20. He isnt considered anything at 3rd he is considered 1 of the greatest ss ever!

[Snoogans]

he played 3rd base for 4 or 5 seasons of 20. He isnt considered anything at 3rd he is considered 1 of the greatest ss ever!

he was fuckin on roids. And i dont wanna hear shit. That fuckin scumbag was on roids, HGH, speed, whatever he could fuckin take to not miss a game.

Fuck Cal Ripken

[Snoogans]

just got a text from ESPN, peyton manning had another neck surgery, he is gonna be out indefinately, maybe the year


So glad I traded Collie

[Snacks]

Think I need to make changes now with Manning out. Im going to be a homer here. Im taking Indy out of winning the South and wont make the playoffs. Im moving Houston in as the South winner. And Miami (homer I know) as the other wild card!

Now that the season is about to start what are your predictions on the season? who do you expect to win the divisions and what are your 2 SB teams?

AFC:
NE
Balt
Indy (out) Hou (div winner)
SD

wildcard:
Jets (should make it but I hope they dont)
Miami

NFC:
Dal
GB
ATL
STL

wildcard:
NO
Philly (I wouldnt be surprised if they shit the bed & didnt make it, if not I hope Det does)

Super Bowl

SD vs GB

but I wouldnt be surprised at all if NE is the best team in the league this year. They have looked great this preseason and they were the best team during the regular season last year. If they can get over their playoff losing droubt of late they could easily go back!

[Kevin]

just got a text from ESPN, peyton manning had another neck surgery, he is gonna be out indefinately, maybe the year


So glad I traded Collie


http://www.priceless-home-remedies.com/images/hand_washing.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

Goodall and the "new" NFL are ruining the game with all these awful rules.

With this new shit rule about replaying EVERY touchdown play, theres an unintended possibility of a team being 1st & goal at the 1 yard line, if they run each time, it's possible to have replay after replay after replay after replay. Lets slow the game to a crawl why don't we. Oh wait! More advertising time gets sold...ahh... I see...

Then there's the bullshit 15 yard penalty for the coach throwing the red challenge flag if the refs decide NOT to challenge the TD but the coaches do. (Example Miami v. Tampa. Henne to Marshall TD was nice but he may have stepped out. They were about to kick the extra point when the Tampa coach threw the challenge flag to stop the EP. Tampa gets a 15 yard penalty because every TD gets reviewed and you cannot challenge a scoring play!!! BUT THEY WERE KICKING THE EP!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS A COACH SUPPOSED TO DO???? The assholes in the review booth missed that Marshall almost stepped out so they didn't consider it a "close play". This is fuckin bullshit! If youre gonna review every play, REVIEW EVERY PLAY AND DONT PUNISH THE COACH FOR TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT CALL!!!!

AND...the new "helmet to helmet on a defenseless receiver" rule. In the 2nd quarter of the Packers/Chiefs game at 10:15 there are 2 players are going for a passed ball and the old-as-fuck back judge calls #29 for the helmet on helmet foul. He's clearly trying to intercept the ball. So now DB's cant go after the ball? They are going to change games and change the game with these awful fucking rules. Im so sick of this player safety farce anymore. Protect the QB, FINE! Not the whole team! Play flag football in rubber suits or have robots play if you really people want to be safe.

Thank God for the Rugby World Cup. They still allow men to be men!

Go fuck yourself Goodell & the new NFL, you're ruining the game I've loved for over 30 years!!!

You made great points with those horrendous rules. (The replay one fucking baffles me as it seemed like they had a very good, fair replay system in place) but you missed the biggest way hes fucked over the game.

He basically got rid of kick returns. He single handedly eliminated the most exciting play in football. And they fucking let him. Its a disgrace. Hes been commissioner for a few years and hes fucking over the game worse then Bettman did the NHL.

[sailor]

i have no problem with the kickoffs being moved to the pre-1994 spot. it'll probably eliminate some kickoff specialists, so i don't think it will have as big an impact as people think.

[hanso]

Yeah Cal Ripken wasnt league MVP the same year he and his Baltimore team won the world series in 1983!!!

He also wasnt the first power hitting short stop before this last generation of ARods and Nomar's.

He wasnt a 19 time all star, 2 time mvp, rookie of the year or 8 time silver slugger?

Sorry, Ripkin never did nothin for me. Everyone thinks he's the greatest baseman. There a dozens of better 3baseman. He lingered too longer too.

What the hell do I know, baseball is the most boring game anyway. I really dont care. I just remember watching him 20 years ago and being like...ho hum.

His daughter is hawt as all hell.

[DJEvelEd]

You made great points with those horrendous rules. (The replay one fucking baffles me as it seemed like they had a very good, fair replay system in place) but you missed the biggest way hes fucked over the game.

He basically got rid of kick returns. He single handedly eliminated the most exciting play in football. And they fucking let him. Its a disgrace. Hes been commissioner for a few years and hes fucking over the game worse then Bettman did the NHL.

Don't forget the rule that as soon as a player loses his helmet, the play is whistled dead. We MUST protect our children!!!....er uh....We must protect our 6'3 300 lb. adults!!! :glurps:
:huh:

[underdog]

Don't forget the rule that as soon as a player loses his helmet, the play is whistled dead. We MUST protect our children!!!....er uh....We must protect our 6'3 300 lb. adults!!! :glurps:
:huh:

That actually seems like a pretty good rule.

[brettmojo]

That actually seems like a pretty good rule.
This shit won't stop until Goodell tries to eliminate score keeping in order to reduce stress on players physical and mental states.

[sailor]

That actually seems like a pretty good rule.

What happens if a defender loses his helmet on a play where there's an otherwise unstoppable TD, like a kick return or 70 yard run where there's no defender who can intervene? I don't know anything of this rule.