2011-12 NFL Season

[cougarjake13]

Safety !!!!!!

[Snoogans]

it woulda been a safety anyway for committing a penalty in the endzone by throwing to the lineman, so it doesnt matter


i did not know you were allowed to onside a safety punt. thats weird

[HBox]

So the refs are just making stuff up. Haven't wastched a lot of this game. Just guessing

They've been really shitty overall.

[TripleSkeet]

Just stopped in to say Sanchez fucking sucks. Fucking awful QB.

[cougarjake13]

Touchdown !!!!!!

Refs tried to fuck us

[Snoogans]

I don't know. I'm not sure that was a safety but then again the Jets can't complain about the refs.

So the refs are just making stuff up. Haven't watched a lot of this game. Just guessing

if you commit an offensive penalty in the endzone its an auto safety. so even if they dont call the sack, its a penalty on sanchez for throwing to a lineman. he was in the endzone, so it woulda been a safety regardless

[HBox]

Tony Romo is out of the game.... and not because he was pulled because the Eagles are eliminated. He was on the field for one drive and may have hurt his hand.

[cougarjake13]

if you commit an offensive penalty in the endzone its an auto safety. so even if they dont call the sack, its a penalty on sanchez for throwing to a lineman. he was in the endzone, so it woulda been a safety regardless



Zactly although I thought that it was a fumble and they said Sanchez was throwing and even though it nvr left his hand and was knocked out by the giants d lineman it was called incomplete

[Snoogans]

Tony Romo is out of the game.... and not because he was pulled because the Eagles are eliminated. He was on the field for one drive and may have hurt his hand.

awesome

[HBox]

awesome

I don't know. If there's one player the Giants want on the field late in a close game it's Tony Romo.

[Snoogans]

I don't know. If there's one player the Giants want on the field late in a close game it's Tony Romo.

yea true. and the giants NEVER beat backup QBs

[cougarjake13]

That was to god damn stressful

[cougarjake13]

yea true. and the giants NEVER beat backup QBs



Typically we don't I remember a few times current coach Jason Garrett filling in for Aikman and killing us
Whoever was Mcnabbs backup usually killed us.

But at least giants know that all they need to do is win and get in no help needed so they got that going for
Them which is nice

[OGC]

How fucking muck camera time does that greasy haired, hippie Rob Ryan need to get ?

[Crash]

Just got back from the Jet Giant game. As a Jet season ticket holder, I was horrified to see that it was at least 50-50 Jet/Giant fans. If I'm being honest, Giants probably had the edge in fan numbers...at a Jet home game. Lots of fucking blue in the stands.

Awful fucking day.

Merry Christmas Jets fans. :wallbash:

[cougarjake13]

Yeh that one end zone corner looked all blue

And tons of blue throughout stands

I can't imagine that jet fans would be selling their tix so maybe some of those jets season tix holders
Are giants fans but couldn't get tix?

[cougarjake13]

How fucking muck camera time does that greasy haired, hippie Rob Ryan need to get ?



Way too much
I'm sick of these ryans

[Dan 'Hampton]

Way too much
I'm sick of these ryans



At least he's got rings.
"keep your mouth shut fat boy"- classic.

[KnoxHarrington]

At least he's got rings.
"keep your mouth shut fat boy"- classic.

If he gets fined for that, Giants fans should take up a collection to cover it.

[HBox]

If he gets fined for that, every human being on the face of the planet whose last name isn't Ryan should take up a collection to cover it.

I fixed that for you.

[cougarjake13]

At least he's got rings.
"keep your mouth shut fat boy"- classic.



Who said that

[HBox]

Who said that

Brandon Jacobs.

[Kevin]

Just got back from the Jet Giant game. As a Jet season ticket holder, I was horrified to see that it was at least 50-50 Jet/Giant fans. If I'm being honest, Giants probably had the edge in fan numbers...at a Jet home game. Lots of fucking blue in the stands.

Awful fucking day.

Merry Christmas Jets fans. :wallbash:

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAA??

I thought 2 AFC title games made this a Jet town?!

[Kevin]

Tony Romo is out of the game.... and not because he was pulled because the Eagles are eliminated. He was on the field for one drive and may have hurt his hand.

Boxy, I have a question.

As an Eagle fan, do you like that they fought back and might finish 500.

Or would you rather kept losing for a top pick.

The fire Andy Reid thinking taken out of the convo.

I know he might have saved his job AGAIN.

[cougarjake13]

I see no reason for any teams to do well and finish 7-9 or 8-8 if they were out of contention

What benefit do u get ? None

Take the better pick

[Fallon]

I wonder what Bellichick said to the Pats during halftime, they were a totally different team!

[Kevin]

I wonder what Bellichick said to the Pats during halftime, they were a totally different team!

My Dad Satan will take your souls if you lose?

[hanso]

I wonder what Bellichick said to the Pats during halftime, they were a totally different team!

Den. has to hold a team to 3 TDs. Mia has to get up 3 TDs then hold them.

[Dan 'Hampton]

He bought the whole team new assholes.

[HBox]

Boxy, I have a question.

As an Eagle fan, do you like that they fought back and might finish 500.

Or would you rather kept losing for a top pick.

The fire Andy Reid thinking taken out of the convo.

I know he might have saved his job AGAIN.

I'm not sure how to feel. I guess I'm a bit positive about it because I know nothing was gonna get Andy Reid fired this offseason and considering that it's good that this team is coming together and playing like it should have. With so much new personnel and coaches that they struggled early should have been expected. In the beginning of the year players looked lost on defense. Now everyone looks like they understand the system, Asomugha finally looks like Asomugha, Rodgers-Cromartie looks like Rodgers-Cromartie and the rookies who were struggling mightily early like Danny Watkins and Chase Matthews look like they are decent.

I'm more concerned that Castillo might have saved his job with how the defense looks. If Reid is gonna come back I'd like to see a real defensive coordinator and a focus on not turning over the ball. I suppose it's not the worst thing that Reid gets another chance. Oh yeah, also bring Cullen Jenkins back because he is a monster.

As far as the draft pick goes it's not even a concern. This team has talent, one player isn't gonna save this team and Reid has a way of getting the player he wants whether he trades up or down. I think if they got a pick in the 5-10 range they'd trade down anyway.

[Snoogans]

I'm not sure how to feel. I guess I'm a bit positive about it because I know nothing was gonna get Andy Reid fired this offseason and considering that it's good that this team is coming together and playing like it should have. With so much new personnel and coaches that they struggled early should have been expected. In the beginning of the year players looked lost on defense. Now everyone looks like they understand the system, Asomugha finally looks like Asomugha, Rodgers-Cromartie looks like Rodgers-Cromartie and the rookies who were struggling mightily early like Danny Watkins and Chase Matthews look like they are decent.

I'm more concerned that Castillo might have saved his job with how the defense looks. If Reid is gonna come back I'd like to see a real defensive coordinator and a focus on not turning over the ball. I suppose it's not the worst thing that Reid gets another chance. Oh yeah, also bring Cullen Jenkins back because he is a monster.

As far as the draft pick goes it's not even a concern. This team has talent, one player isn't gonna save this team and Reid has a way of getting the player he wants whether he trades up or down. I think if they got a pick in the 5-10 range they'd trade down anyway.

i thought it was Casey Mathews. I know Chase Blackburn is so awesome, everyone wants him though. i think you should be happy. like you said, they came together. if they can keep the team intact for the most part, you guys will be scary next year. Not having real camp fucked the eagles so hard.


oh yea, all of that is assuming that Vick stays healthy. With Vince Young, you still suck.

[HBox]

i thought it was Casey Mathews. I know Chase Blackburn is so awesome, everyone wants him though. i think you should be happy. like you said, they came together. if they can keep the team intact for the most part, you guys will be scary next year. Not having real camp fucked the eagles so hard.


oh yea, all of that is assuming that Vick stays healthy. With Vince Young, you still suck.

Young was a one year deal and I can't imagine him being back. And yeah, it was Casey Matthews. All I know is he is still the wrong Matthews.

So I should add to that sign a QB who can win a couple games. That's always an issue with Vick.

But really, the biggest issue was the turnovers. They need to fix that shit ASAP. Even last week against the Jets they turned it over 4 times.

[spoon]

Please end the turner/smith era in sd now.

[epo]

Please end the turner/smith era in sd now.

You are asking for divine intervention.

[spoon]

You are asking for divine intervention.

whatever it takes

[TripleSkeet]

Boxy, I have a question.

As an Eagle fan, do you like that they fought back and might finish 500.

Or would you rather kept losing for a top pick.

The fire Andy Reid thinking taken out of the convo.

I know he might have saved his job AGAIN.

As an Eagles fan Ill tell you this, Andy never saved his job because his job was never in jeopardy. The national media with their speculation arent even close. Theres no way Fat Andy is going anywhere. They just think his job would be in danger because normally it would be when youve been with a team 13 years without winning a Super Bowl, have the best offseason of any team in football and miss the playoffs, have a defense filled with 6th and 7th round draft picks because your early rounders continue to be busts, and have the most rabid fanbase in the league chanting FIRE ANDY at home games.

But the bottom line is the Eagles are worth 10 times more now then they were when Lurie bought the team, and agree with it or not, he gives a HUGE amount of credit to Reid and Joe Banner for that. Thats why hes not firing Andy. The guys got 2 years left and the worse thing theyll do is not renew his contract.So either he quits, gets an extension, or walks after 2013.

[Kevin]

As an Eagles fan Ill tell you this, Andy never saved his job because his job was never in jeopardy. The national media with their speculation arent even close. Theres no way Fat Andy is going anywhere. They just think his job would be in danger because normally it would be when youve been with a team 13 years without winning a Super Bowl, have the best offseason of any team in football and miss the playoffs, have a defense filled with 6th and 7th round draft picks because your early rounders continue to be busts, and have the most rabid fanbase in the league chanting FIRE ANDY at home games.

But the bottom line is the Eagles are worth 10 times more now then they were when Lurie bought the team, and agree with it or not, he gives a HUGE amount of credit to Reid and Joe Banner for that. Thats why hes not firing Andy. The guys got 2 years left and the worse thing theyll do is not renew his contract.So either he quits, gets an extension, or walks after 2013.

I DID NOT ASK FOR YOUR DAMN OPINION!!!!!!!

jk...


I agree, I do not see him going anytime soon.

Lurie is like Dolan with loyalty.

It will basically take the commish and most of the owners basically ordering him to replace someone like it happened with Isiah.

Though Andy has not been nearly as bad as Thomas was.

[cougarjake13]

whatever it takes
wont happen

[boobieman]

Fuckin Jets...Bitch

SEYEYAYAAA

[cougarjake13]

Fuckin Jets...Bitch

SEYEYAYAAA
:clap::clap::clap:

[Snacks]

Spoon would this make you happy...

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34040079

Also to change the subject back to Tebow. I didnt watch much espn but how come now that Tebow got pounded 2 weeks in a row and the "magic" is gone they arent doing follow up stories about how shitty he truly is? For 5 or 6 weeks we had to hear about Tebow and how its "Tebow Time" and its about him. Yet now they get killed, he sucks and actually might be the reason for the loses yet nothing is said other then they lost? No 10 min discussions about how shitty or how they need a QB or how they actually only beat bad teams who played them differently in the 4th q? Buf has lost like 6 or 7 straight and has a terrible def but int 4 times yesterday. His passes might have been the ugliest looking NFL passes I have ever seen. Pop warner QBs lthrow better passes then he did in that Buf game.

[cougarjake13]

dont worry once he leads them into playoffs it'll start all over again

[epo]

All roads in the NFC lead thru the Frozen Tundra.

[cougarjake13]

All roads in the NFC lead thru the Frozen Tundra.


only if they keep winning

[epo]

only if they keep winning

Water is wet.

[PapaBear]

Water is wet.
Not in Green Bay.

[Kevin]

All roads in the NFC lead thru the Frozen Tundra.

All roads to basketball mediocrity also lead through Wisconsin...

[epo]

All roads to basketball mediocrity also lead through Wisconsin...

Bo Ryan laughs at that comment

[Kevin]

Bo Ryan laughs at that comment

I mean real basketball, not that college slop.

[hanso]

dont worry once he leads them into playoffs it'll start all over again

This next game is something else. Beat Orton win division, lose go home no wildcard.

[cougarjake13]

This next game is something else. Beat Orton win division, lose go home no wildcard.


cant they lose but also if oakland loses still win division ??

na i think if that happens then denver, oakland, and san diego are all 8-8 with 3-3 division records but the chargers would be 7-5 in conference while denver and oakland would be 6-6


so the chargers would win i think ... hey spoon whadda got ?

[KnoxHarrington]

If Drew Brees gets 305 yards passing tonight, he breaks Dan Marino's single-season passing record with 1 game to go (though if the Saints win tonight and lock up the division, we might not see much of him next week.)

Similarly, Aaron Rodgers would break Peyton Manning's single-season record for passer rating if the season ended now: he's at 122.5, and Manning got a 121.1 in 2004. Since he probably won't play, or play very little, since next week's game means jack shit to the Packers, I would think he'll get that.

[hanso]

cant they lose but also if oakland loses still win division ??

na i think if that happens then denver, oakland, and san diego are all 8-8 with 3-3 division records but the chargers would be 7-5 in conference while denver and oakland would be 6-6


so the chargers would win i think ... hey spoon whadda got ?

I heard this on sports radio (maybe TV) after Sunday games were over thought it was.

Seems like nutty scenarios all around.

[hanso]

If Drew Brees gets 305 yards passing tonight, he breaks Dan Marino's single-season passing record with 1 game to go (though if the Saints win tonight and lock up the division, we might not see much of him next week.)

Similarly, Aaron Rodgers would break Peyton Manning's single-season record for passer rating if the season ended now: he's at 122.5, and Manning got a 121.1 in 2004. Since he probably won't play, or play very little, since next week's game means jack shit to the Packers, I would think he'll get that.

Thought Brees already passed him for yards passed in season from chart saw on TV this A.M.. 4 TDs would tie also thought saw.

[KnoxHarrington]

I heard this on sports radio (maybe TV) after Sunday games were over thought it was.

Seems like nutty scenarios all around.

Well, if the Bengals win, they get the #6 seed. That's simple.

It's a complete clusterfuck after that if they lose.

[hanso]

Got a question

Have there been active NFL players traded to get a top tier draft pick? I hear a lot of talk about this but don't remember this happening.

I do remember 2nd or lower picks traded for players though.

[Snacks]

SD is already out, no scenario that would put them in the playoffs. Oak wins and Den loses Oak wins division. They both lose Den wins division even if SD won and they are all 8-8 SD is already eliminated. Oak and Den both win and cincy loses I believe both Den and Oak get in with Den wining div and Oak being the last wildcard.

Brees will play next week to add to his passing totals for 2 reasons. if they win tonight they will be tied with SF for the #2 seed and want to try to win next week to get it. and the the other reason is Brees will want to add to his total because Brady could pass him next week with a good game so he wants to put the total out of reach so it is his record.

[Snacks]

Got a question

Have there been active NFL players traded to get a top tier draft pick? I hear a lot of talk about this but don't remember this happening.

I do remember 2nd or lower picks traded for players though.

Herchel Walker was traded to Min from Dal, one of the biggest trades and robbery's ever!

involved 18 players and Dal pretty much created their 90's dynasty with all the players and picks from that trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

[hanso]

Herchel Walker was traded to Min from Dal, one of the biggest trades and robbery's ever!

involved 18 players and Dal pretty much created their 90's dynasty with all the players and picks from that trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

Yeah that's something 3 first round picks the next three years. But I mean the draft at hand top tier pick.

[Snacks]

Yeah that's something 3 first round picks the next three years. But I mean the draft at hand top tier pick.

Do you mean like during this upcoming draft on the day of the draft something like peyton being traded for a #1 or something like that? I know Eli was traded for Rivers and a few other picks day of the draft.

[hanso]

Do you mean like during this upcoming draft on the day of the draft something like peyton being traded for a #1 or something like that? I know Eli was traded for Rivers and a few other picks day of the draft.

Same thing could happen with Rams and Bradford.

Yeah like if whoever picks Luck trades him for some player/s and maybe package with other picks.

The top pick has to stay with that team is some rule I think.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah like if whoever picks Luck trades him for some player/s and maybe package with other picks.

The top pick has to stay with that team is some rule I think.



never heard of that rule


if true eli would be a charger

[epo]

Do you mean like during this upcoming draft on the day of the draft something like peyton being traded for a #1 or something like that? I know Eli was traded for Rivers and a few other picks day of the draft.

The Colts gave up OT Chris Hinton, WR Andre Rison and two picks for QB Jeff George.

[cougarjake13]

The Colts gave up OT Chris Hinton, WR Andre Rison and two picks for QB Jeff George.


ohhh tahts gotta burn

[epo]

Same thing could happen with Rams and Bradford.

Yeah like if whoever picks Luck trades him for some player/s and maybe package with other picks.

The top pick has to stay with that team is some rule I think.

Not a rule.

[hanso]

never heard of that rule


if true eli would be a charger

Something was worked out there. But some QB's not wanting to play for teams has still gone on after that. Was that some exception that doesn't happen much? Why else would there still be reluctance?

And these top daft QB's get drafted by low teams it is set up that way. So whats the deal with them anyway? Do they want some other deal put in place first?


I saw a crawler with that Brees has 305 yards to break passing record tonight. Read that chart wrong this AM

[Snacks]

Something was worked out there. But some QB's not wanting to play for teams has still gone on after that. Was that some exception that doesn't happen much? Why else would there still be reluctance?

And these top daft QB's get drafted by low teams it is set up that way. So whats the deal with them anyway? Do they want some other deal put in place first?


I saw a crawler with that Brees has 305 yards to break passing record tonight. Read that chart wrong this AM

There is no rule. As for Eli being traded it was because his father was being a bitch. I still dont understand the reason. I remember hearing at the time that his father wanted him to go to a bigger market and didnt want SD because he thought the org was shit or run like shit or something like that. I never understood that because SD is in Cali with a huge market (at least close to), and with no team in LA they are pretty much LA's local team and would get that markets advertising dollars (imo). Also SD wasnt that bad, yes they played bad that year and werent that great the previous few seasons but it wasnt like they were TB. Also he didnt do this will Peyton when he was drafted by Indy which is a very small market team and that hasnt hurt him.

My personal opinion is he didnt want Peyton and Eli in the same conf. He figured different conf would make them only play each other ever 4 or 5 years instead of the chance of every year. Also it would give them the chance to play in the SB not in an AFC title game. Thats 1 of the reasons at least I have always felt. I cant think of any other reason. If I had a kid I would be happy with any team drafting him especially #1 overall. The only team I would be against is the Jets but wouldnt most people hate for their kid to play for that team if given a choice?

[cougarjake13]

Something was worked out there. But some QB's not wanting to play for teams has still gone on after that. Was that some exception that doesn't happen much? Why else would there still be reluctance?

And these top daft QB's get drafted by low teams it is set up that way. So whats the deal with them anyway? Do they want some other deal put in place first?


I saw a crawler with that Brees has 305 yards to break passing record tonight. Read that chart wrong this AM



yeh whatever team drafts you owns your rights for that season if you never sign with them


eli woulda have had to play for chargers if he signed with them or sat out that whole year if he didnt and wasnt traded to giants .... rumor has it that eli and archie didnt want eli to play in the afc with peyton plus the chargers had drew brees


some qb's just dont wanna play in some places like elway didnt want to play for colts or eli with chargers and others dont care like stafford in detriot or bradford in st louis they may like the challenge of turning a franchise around

[Snacks]

yeh whatever team drafts you owns your rights for that season if you never sign with them


eli woulda have had to play for chargers if he signed with them or sat out that whole year if he didnt and wasnt traded to giants .... rumor has it that eli and archie didnt want eli to play in the afc with peyton plus the chargers had drew brees


some qb's just dont wanna play in some places like elway didnt want to play for colts or eli with chargers and others dont care like stafford in detriot or bradford in st louis they may like the challenge of turning a franchise around

I never heard that but I immediately thought that when it was going down. So this was actually discussed?

[cougarjake13]

I never heard that but I immediately thought that when it was going down. So this was actually discussed?



i remember the guys at draft ... berman, kiper, etc briefly mentioning it

and it being in the ny papers around the time of draft and afterwords

[Snacks]

i remember the guys at draft ... berman, kiper, etc briefly mentioning it

and it being in the ny papers around the time of draft and afterwords

it had to be the only true reason but still shouldnt have went down like they. Archie looked like a bitch and so did Eli allowing his daddy to do all the talking for him and forcing the issue.

[hanso]

yeh whatever team drafts you owns your rights for that season if you never sign with them


eli woulda have had to play for chargers if he signed with them or sat out that whole year if he didnt and wasnt traded to giants .... rumor has it that eli and archie didnt want eli to play in the afc with peyton plus the chargers had drew brees


some qb's just dont wanna play in some places like elway didnt want to play for colts or eli with chargers and others dont care like stafford in detriot or bradford in st louis they may like the challenge of turning a franchise around

The pick is traded not the player. I wasn't thinking on those terms Melos HofbrauDunkels lol I'm not doggin you think that's cool name.


And thought it was for one season if stays Prob read that here from snoogs or someone.

[Snacks]

The pick is traded not the player. I wasn't thinking on those terms Melos HofbrauDunkels lol I'm not doggin you think that's cool name.


And thought it was for one season if stays Prob read that here from snoogs or someone.

No Eli was drafted, so the player was traded when that went down. Actually the players rights were traded.

[hanso]

No Eli was drafted, so the player was traded when that went down. Actually the players rights were traded.

Sounds contractual maybe that's why it's not done much if allowed.

Wasn't trying to open a can of worms I just don't follow the draft system that well.

What QB would you like the Fins to get Payton?

[hanso]

The Colts gave up OT Chris Hinton, WR Andre Rison and two picks for QB Jeff George.

I liked him, he was never top notch but had mad skills. And unfortunately for him he got hurt alot.

I remember being at a game where he kept his team (Colts think it was) in the game time after time under tremendous pressure from The Dolphins Defence.

Then finally held him back near and into endzone for a safty that also gave him a hurt thumb. That was a great game to watch I think my team won but just barely.

[cougarjake13]

it had to be the only true reason but still shouldnt have went down like they. Archie looked like a bitch and so did Eli allowing his daddy to do all the talking for him and forcing the issue.



they did look bad but now 8 yrs later no one really talks about it much and eli got a super bowl ring

[cougarjake13]

Sounds contractual maybe that's why it's not done much if allowed.

Wasn't trying to open a can of worms I just don't follow the draft system that well.

What QB would you like the Fins to get Payton?



your posts on this topic have been very hard to decipher like your talking about 2 seperate things simutaneously and dont realize

are you asking why number one picks before draft pick is made arent traded much ? the actual player drafted #1 being traded ? or players whining about not wanting to play for a specific team ?

[hanso]

your posts on this topic have been very hard to decipher like your talking about 2 seperate things simutaneously and dont realize

are you asking why number one picks before draft pick is made arent traded much ? the actual player drafted #1 being traded ? or players whining about not wanting to play for a specific team ?

We went over all that, so yes, I got consensus. Then saw that there are two schools of thought on an issue. And wanted to put that part of it to bed.


Don't like Falcons going on & playoffs. Running game is off this season. Brees should be good tonight with yards needed for record.

[KnoxHarrington]

Found this handy-dandy chart of the AFC playoff picture. Yes, it's just this simple!

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwu3t2y6v31r1kvt3o1_1280.png

[epo]

I liked him, he was never top notch but had mad skills. And unfortunately for him he got hurt alot.

I remember being at a game where he kept his team (Colts think it was) in the game time after time under tremendous pressure from The Dolphins Defence.

Then finally held him back near and into endzone for a safty that also gave him a hurt thumb. That was a great game to watch I think my team won but just barely.

He seemed like a man of his word.

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[cougarjake13]

Falcons could still make a dent in playoffs but I don't see em getting past new Orleans or green bay

[KnoxHarrington]

If I had to pick one team that I think will win the Super Bowl this year, it owuld have to be the Saints. Holy hell they're good.

In any case, the NFC Championship Game will be the true Super Bowl this year. I don't think anyone in the AFC can hang with either the Saints or the Packers, or the 49ers for that matter.

[Snoogans]

If I had to pick one team that I think will win the Super Bowl this year, it owuld have to be the Saints. Holy hell they're good.

In any case, the NFC Championship Game will be the true Super Bowl this year. I don't think anyone in the AFC can hang with either the Saints or the Packers, or the 49ers for that matter.

the only reason i dont know if the saints can take the pack is the game will be at lambaeu, outside, and really cold. In the dome, i think the saints could give anyone a run for their money. Any team ever they could have a shot to beat. But outside, in teh wind, against a team that knows how to play in that shit. I dont know, thats tough

[hanso]

Found this handy-dandy chart of the AFC playoff picture. Yes, it's just this simple!

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwu3t2y6v31r1kvt3o1_1280.png

Thanks, it's just that easy.

[cougarjake13]

Thanks, it's just that easy.


Really it is

[Snacks]

Who should be the MVP Rodgers or Brees? All season long I would have said Rodgers but Brees has done more with less and had the tougher schedule. Rodgers has more tds and higher passer rating but Brees has more yards and higher comp %.

should be close but I think Rodgers still gets it. The fact that they both have the #s they have in the same year while Brady is right there and so are a few others and Cam as rookie is breaking records too is just crazy. When they go to 18 games they will be throwing for 6000 yards next!

[cougarjake13]

Hell if it keeps up like this brees culd do it in a 16 game season

[Snoogans]

good for brees

[Snacks]

and there is the rec. he needed 7 they were on the 9 yard line and td for 9 yards to break the rec. congrats.

[KnoxHarrington]

Brees will probably break this record by a few hundred yards. Next week's game is meaningful for the Saints: they need to win to get the #2 seed and a bye. So he'll be playing.

[cougarjake13]

I yeh he'll prob get 325 plus next week

[Snacks]

Brees will probably break this record by a few hundred yards. Next week's game is meaningful for the Saints: they need to win to get the #2 seed and a bye. So he'll be playing.

Brady will break the record too and if Rodgers plays he has a shot I think he needs a big game like 400 yards but has a shot. I would like to see Rodgers play next week. He needs 5 tds to tie the rec for most tds too. If he didnt shit his pants in the kc game he probably would break the td rec easily. He might only need 2 instead of 5 to to and 6 to break.

[spoon]

Love the stat the crew (Jaws/T and Gruden) pointed out how much Brees is over the avg passing yards per game in the league versus the year Marino did it for contrast!

BREES is the man!

[PapaBear]

Love the stat the crew (Jaws/T and Gruden) pointed out how much Brees is over the avg passing yards per game in the league versus the year Marino did it for contrast!!
I thought that was good, too. It should end the debate about passing being easier today. It will be interesting to see if he holds it after next week. I think he will pretty easily.

[epo]

Brady will break the record too and if Rodgers plays he has a shot I think he needs a big game like 400 yards but has a shot. I would like to see Rodgers play next week. He needs 5 tds to tie the rec for most tds too. If he didnt shit his pants in the kc game he probably would break the td rec easily. He might only need 2 instead of 5 to to and 6 to break.

While he didn't have a stellar game, he hardly "shit his pants" as you state.

The number of dropped passes in that game would've shocked a normal QB.

[Snacks]

Love the stat the crew (Jaws/T and Gruden) pointed out how much Brees is over the avg passing yards per game in the league versus the year Marino did it for contrast!

BREES is the man!

yeah and you dont find the 1 (and only ) thing that helped prove your point do you? out of all the things they talked about tonight that was the only 1 that actually helped your argument.

[epo]

Who should be the MVP Rodgers or Brees? All season long I would have said Rodgers but Brees has done more with less and had the tougher schedule. Rodgers has more tds and higher passer rating but Brees has more yards and higher comp %.

should be close but I think Rodgers still gets it. The fact that they both have the #s they have in the same year while Brady is right there and so are a few others and Cam as rookie is breaking records too is just crazy. When they go to 18 games they will be throwing for 6000 yards next!

In September, October and November...Aaron Rodgers was the NFC Player of the Month. He is on pace to set the all-time NFL QB Rating record (depending upon the game against the Lions) for a single season while leading a 14-1 team.

If you don't give Rodgers your MVP, your league is a fucking joke.

[spoon]

yah that and the simple fact he BROKE the record...oh and he did it in week 15

BREES also has a SUPER BOWL BABY!

[spoon]

In September, October and November...Aaron Rodgers was the NFC Player of the Month. He is on pace to set the all-time NFL QB Rating record (depending upon the game against the Lions) for a single season while leading a 14-1 team.

If you don't give Rodgers your MVP, your league is a fucking joke.

I think he's been so good the NFL should obviously take back the 1984 mvp and give that to Rodgers as well.

[Snacks]

In September, October and November...Aaron Rodgers was the NFC Player of the Month. He is on pace to set the all-time NFL QB Rating record (depending upon the game against the Lions) for a single season while leading a 14-1 team.

If you don't give Rodgers your MVP, your league is a fucking joke.


And who is better or the hotter team right now? NO is playing better and tougher opponents. Its about the entire season not the 1st 3 months. I would still probably say Rodgers wins it but I wouldnt call it a joke if Brees won and neither would most. Many are now saying Brees is having a better year and others are saying the Saints are a better team. The only reason I still think GB wins if they meet in the NFC title game is the game will be outside, freezing and in GB's home stadium. I dont think NO will win that but wouldnt be surprised if they did.

[Snoogans]

I think he's been so good the NFL should obviously take back the 1984 mvp and give that to Rodgers as well.

I think Ken O'Brien got fucked in 84. He was easily MVP

[Snoogans]

And who is better or the hotter team right now? NO is playing better and tougher opponents. Its about the entire season not the 1st 3 months. I would still probably say Rodgers wins it but I wouldnt call it a joke if Brees won and neither would most. Many are now saying Brees is having a better year and others are saying the Saints are a better team. The only reason I still think GB wins if they meet in the NFC title game is the game will be outside, freezing and in GB's home stadium. I dont think NO will win that but wouldnt be surprised if they did.

NO is gonna lose to the about to be super bowl champion NY giants, who will then go into lambeau and win that game 77-3. The giants will then roll through the super bowl with a 61 - 21 victory over TJ Yates and the Houston Texans

[epo]

And who is better or the hotter team right now? NO is playing better and tougher opponents. Its about the entire season not the 1st 3 months. I would still probably say Rodgers wins it but I wouldnt call it a joke if Brees won and neither would most. Many are now saying Brees is having a better year and others are saying the Saints are a better team. The only reason I still think GB wins if they meet in the NFC title game is the game will be outside, freezing and in GB's home stadium. I dont think NO will win that but wouldnt be surprised if they did.

Why would Green Bay win that game?

Oh, they are the #1 seed and have earned the right to have all NFC games played on that frozen slab of turf rather than inside a dome like a girl.

Rodgers is the MVP, its already on his mantle.

[Snacks]

Why would Green Bay win that game?

Oh, they are the #1 seed and have earned the right to have all NFC games played on that frozen slab of turf rather than inside a dome like a girl.

Rodgers is the MVP, its already on his mantle.

so the #1 team should automatically win the mvp because his team won more games? got it for future awards.


wait shouldnt someone else have won the MVP in the NL this year? I didnt know that the Brewers had home field through - out? Oh wait they didnt maybe someone from Philly should have won it!

[epo]

so the #1 team should automatically win the mvp because his team won more games? got it for future awards.


wait shouldnt someone else have won the MVP in the NL this year? I didnt know that the Brewers had home field through - out? Oh wait they didnt maybe someone from Philly should have won it!

Two separate arguments.

Rodgers is the MVP and you know it. However his great play led to the #1 seed which makes all of your New Orleans bather useless.

[Snacks]

Two separate arguments.

Rodgers is the MVP and you know it. However his great play led to the #1 seed which makes all of your New Orleans bather useless.

same argument. I do think Rodgers is the MVP but its not so cut and dry anymore and wouldnt be pissed or think Rodgers was robbed if Brees won it.

[TripleSkeet]

Dont sleep on the Niners. I freely admit they are underdogs against either the Saints or Pack, but they are the only NFC playoff team with a great defense. Ya never know.

[sailor]

Two separate arguments.

Rodgers is the MVP and you know it. However his great play led to the #1 seed which makes all of your New Orleans bather useless.

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/146/9c89f54b5d604e0b8bb93cfcd784ef48/l.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Rex gross man suld be mvp

[underdog]

In September, October and November...Aaron Rodgers was the NFC Player of the Month. He is on pace to set the all-time NFL QB Rating record (depending upon the game against the Lions) for a single season while leading a 14-1 team.

If you don't give Rodgers your MVP, your league is a fucking joke.

Homer, I think the voting for the award will be closer than you think it should be.

[underdog]

so the #1 team should automatically win the mvp because his team won more games? got it for future awards.


wait shouldnt someone else have won the MVP in the NL this year? I didnt know that the Brewers had home field through - out? Oh wait they didnt maybe someone from Philly should have won it!

According to epo, the pitcher with the most wins should win the Cy Young, too.

[cougarjake13]

Problem is everybody takes the guy with the best stats for MVP when sometimes it's not the stats that make the player most valuable

[disneyspy]

Homer, I think the voting for the award will be closer than you think it should be.

when did you start talking like marge simpson?

[underdog]

when did you start talking like marge simpson?

I've always talked like Marge.

[disneyspy]

must be the pearl necklace

[hanso]

Give MVP to Payton. His coach is still there give him coach of the year for his troubles.

[epo]

According to epo, the pitcher with the most wins should win the Cy Young, too.

Hardly. Lets do this again.

The NFC Player of the Month for September, October, and November was Aaron Rodgers.

The QB on the verge of breaking the single season record for QB rating is Aaron Rodgers.

The QB helming a 14-1 team is Aaron Rodgers.

So you have awards, stats and wins.

This is not a very difficult deduction.

[underdog]

Isn't QB rating a meaningless stat?

I'm not saying Rodgers isn't going to win it or doesn't deserve it, but for you to think Brees (and to a lesser extent, Brady) isn't in the discussion is crazy.

There are three QBs playing very close to the very top of their ability this season. One is leading an amazing team that won a super bowl last year.

[epo]

Isn't QB rating a meaningless stat?

I'm not saying Rodgers isn't going to win it or doesn't deserve it, but for you to think Brees (and to a lesser extent, Brady) isn't in the discussion is crazy.

There are three QBs playing very close to the very top of their ability this season. One is leading an amazing team that won a super bowl last year.

I see your point about Brady & Brees, who are indeed awesome.

You raise something interesting, QB Rating. I find it fascinating that QB Rating was meaningful for 20 years, then ESPN comes up with a bizarro system (QBR) invented by Trent fucking Dilfer and all of the sudden QB Rating is "meaningless".

Do you know what is meaningless? ESPN's talking heads.

[underdog]

I see your point about Brady & Brees, who are indeed awesome.

You raise something interesting, QB Rating. I find it fascinating that QB Rating was meaningful for 20 years, then ESPN comes up with a bizarro system (QBR) invented by Trent fucking Dilfer and all of the sudden QB Rating is "meaningless".

Do you know what is meaningless? ESPN's talking heads.

I just thought it was meaningless because all these old great QBs would have bad QB ratings. At least, that's what I've read. To be honest, I don't pay much attention to QB ratings.

[ozzie]

For all the Cam haters... how you like him now?

The second half of the vid is just highlights from the Panthers opener against the Cards, but the pre-draft and pre-season predictions and comments are priceless. I'm glad someone took the time to capture what these fucking "experts" thought he would be.

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[Snoogans]

personally i think Dan Orlovsky should win MVP. HUGE season

[Snoogans]

For all the Cam haters... how you like him now?

The second half of the vid is just highlights from the Panthers opener against the Cards, but the pre-draft and pre-season predictions and comments are priceless. I'm glad someone took the time to capture what these fucking "experts" thought he would be.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/3jTx7KjrT28" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

i think he has been great since he went from Auburn to the NFL. Its just a shame that he had to take a pay cut to do it

[disneyspy]

i think he has been great since he went from Auburn to the NFL. Its just a shame that he had to take a pay cut to do it

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[ozzie]

i think he has been great since he went from Auburn to the NFL. Its just a shame that he had to take a pay cut to do it

You can blame the new rookie salary cap for that.

And check out Billick's comments around the 0:55 mark.

"I would put it to you this way. Who in the history of the NFL, who's won a championship, looks like Cam Newton?"

I'm wondering if he ever caught any crap for that statement.

[Snacks]

Gruden wants to come back to the nfl?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/12/27/2663395/jon-gruden-espn-coaching-2012-season

[Snoogans]

You can blame the new rookie salary cap for that.

And check out Billick's comments around the 0:55 mark.

"I would put it to you this way. Who in the history of the NFL, who's won a championship, looks like Cam Newton?"

I'm wondering if he ever caught any crap for that statement.

the best part is, if i had a guess, i really think he was referring to steve young. just the ability to run and pass as well as he can. I really hope he wasnt referring to doug williams, though that would be so fuckin hilarious

[cougarjake13]

Gruden wants to come back to the nfl?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/12/27/2663395/jon-gruden-espn-coaching-2012-season



Was a matter of time just curious as he just signed the 5 yr deal with Espn
But obviously he has the clause to leave to go back coaching

[cougarjake13]

You can blame the new rookie salary cap for that.

And check out Billick's comments around the 0:55 mark.

"I would put it to you this way. Who in the history of the NFL, who's won a championship, looks like Cam Newton?"

I'm wondering if he ever caught any crap for that statement.


I wouldn't think so cause I don't think he meant black and obviously Doug Williams won so there's ur answer

He most likely meant the size and skills he has

[Snacks]

the best part is, if i had a guess, i really think he was referring to steve young. just the ability to run and pass as well as he can. I really hope he wasnt referring to doug williams, though that would be so fuckin hilarious

I agree. I think the biggest problem is too many times when people compare guys they only compare them to someone of the same color not always the same talent. I think he is a hybrid of Vick and young and is going to be better then Vick but maybe not as good a Young.

[Snacks]

I wouldn't think so cause I don't think he meant black and obviously Doug Williams won so there's ur answer

He most likely meant the size and skills he has

Doug Williams should be compared to Waners, Marino and Brees. He was a big arm, down the field passer. Problem is he was only good for maybe 2 or 3 years if that.

[ozzie]

I agree. I think the biggest problem is too many times when people compare guys they only compare them to someone of the same color not always the same talent. I think he is a hybrid of Vick and young and is going to be better then Vick but maybe not as good a Young.

It's just funny because this same fucking guy (Billick) made a name for himself as an "offensive genius" by rolling out the balls in Minnesota and watching Randall Cunningham (who kinda looks like Cam) and Randy Moss play pitch and catch.

Or is he blaming Randall for only going 15 - 1, and not winning a "championship" that year?

And it's not like the Ravens made any good quarterback selections during his tenure.

[hanso]

Gruden wants to come back to the nfl?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/12/27/2663395/jon-gruden-espn-coaching-2012-season

Are they saying GM AJ Smith has to go to the Rams then he will join up? That's what I'm hearing on radio.

[cougarjake13]

It's just funny because this same fucking guy (Billick) made a name for himself as an "offensive genius" by rolling out the balls in Minnesota and watching Randall Cunningham (who kinda looks like Cam) and Randy Moss play pitch and catch.

Or is he blaming Randall for only going 15 - 1, and not winning a "championship" that year?

And it's not like the Ravens made any good quarterback selections during his tenure.


Yeh they had warren moon and Randall Cunningham then daunte
I may have to re think my earlier position on his statement

[NickyL0885]

Was a matter of time just curious as he just signed the 5 yr deal with Espn
But obviously he has the clause to leave to go back coaching

ESPN just needs to hire someone who won't leave every few years. Have some consistency with the broadcast team.

[HBox]

Gruden wants to come back to the nfl?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/12/27/2663395/jon-gruden-espn-coaching-2012-season

As long as all of this ends with the words, "former Rams head coach and new Eagles defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo" I don't care what happens.

[Kevin]

As long as all of this ends with the words, "former Rams head coach and new Eagles defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo" I don't care what happens.

New Giants defensive coordinator is more like it

[HBox]

New Giants defensive coordinator is more like it

Perry Fewell is fine. Now be quiet and don't ruin this for me!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Nick Mangold makes his fourth straight pro bowl appearance.

It says something that three members of the Jets OL are going to Hawaii (Brick, Mangold, and Moore as a reserve) and yet the Jets protection sucks. Wayne Hunter, GTFO.

[Kevin]

Nick Mangold makes his fourth straight pro bowl appearance.

It says something that three members of the Jets OL are going to Hawaii (Brick, Mangold, and Moore as a reserve) and yet the Jets protection sucks. Wayne Hunter, GTFO.

Mangold has been avg at best this year.

Classic example of Allstar games picking on rep not Merritt.

[Dan 'Hampton]

White Birch Hooksett Ale. Micro micro brewery in NH. Awesome stuff

[epo]

White Birch Hooksett Ale. Micro micro brewery in NH. Awesome stuff

They belong in the Hall of Mangold!

[epo]

Mangold has been avg at best this year.

Classic example of Allstar games picking on rep not Merritt.

The All-Pro Game always has that problem.

Why would this year be any different?

[Snoogans]

Mangold has been avg at best this year.

Classic example of Allstar games picking on rep not Merritt.

in fairness, the game is the week before the superbowl now, so they had to pick guys they knew had ZERO chance at playing in the SB

[Kevin]

in fairness, the game is the week before the superbowl now, so they had to pick guys they knew had ZERO chance at playing in the SB

Come on you heard fat boy.

THEY ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL

[cougarjake13]

Perry Fewell is fine. Now be quiet and don't ruin this for me!



Fuck that he sucks

And spags prob has a btr shot of parlaying the dc job into the head coach job with giants then iggles

[cougarjake13]

Come on you heard fat boy.

THEY ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL



Only if they buy tickets







That old gag

[TripleSkeet]

Fuck that he sucks

And spags prob has a btr shot of parlaying the dc job into the head coach job with giants then iggles

Reids only got 2 years left on his contract. Im just worried another team might offer Spags the head coaching job next year instead.

[TripleSkeet]

Also, its gonna suck watching Tom Brady loft bombs up to Desean Jackson next year.

[hanso]

Brandon Marshall will take a stab at his 3rd Pro Bowl.

[cougarjake13]

Also, its gonna suck watching Tom Brady loft bombs up to Desean Jackson next year.


You know I was wondering where he might wind up and I kept thinking patsies
Who'll most likely dump ocho

[cougarjake13]

Brandon Marshall will take a stab at his 3rd Pro Bowl.



He won't but his wife will

[spoon]

For all the Cam haters... how you like him now?

The second half of the vid is just highlights from the Panthers opener against the Cards, but the pre-draft and pre-season predictions and comments are priceless. I'm glad someone took the time to capture what these fucking "experts" thought he would be.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/3jTx7KjrT28" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I give Rivera and the staff he put together a TON of credit for putting Cam in the position he is. They KNEW winning wasn't going to be easy and the qb's NFL development was the important thing this year, along with him being allowed to make mistakes and adjust. He hit that lull later than I thought he would, but he's already out of it and I think they've done an amazing job allowing him and the team to go out there and trial and error the whole year. Next year is the true test, as the stress of being expected to win/compete become real, but this year sets him and the team up well. Too many teams waste rook years and or just waste them in general like SD over the last 3. Talk about wasting Gates/Rivers and some others with the coaching in place having honestly no shot at winning anything of importance. They and other teams continue on hope versus a plan and I give Carolina a lot of cred for just letting loose this year under a new coach, qb and most of the staff behind them.

[spoon]

Gruden wants to come back to the nfl?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/12/27/2663395/jon-gruden-espn-coaching-2012-season

you can have him

[spoon]

Doug Williams should be compared to Waners, Marino and Brees. He was a big arm, down the field passer. Problem is he was only good for maybe 2 or 3 years if that.

so he shouldn't be compared to those guys at all

and who judges qbs only/mostly by color?!

come on man, that's nuts

[spoon]

Are they saying GM AJ Smith has to go to the Rams then he will join up? That's what I'm hearing on radio.

yes, Kroneke is all about AJ Smith for some reason, along with Oakland if he's let go

I'm sure Norv will get a OC job somewhere too, perhaps where AJ turns up

[spoon]

Nick Mangold makes his fourth straight pro bowl appearance.

It says something that three members of the Jets OL are going to Hawaii (Brick, Mangold, and Moore as a reserve) and yet the Jets protection sucks. Wayne Hunter, GTFO.

yah, the picks are outdated and horrible

not only is their protection awful, so is their run blocking


NOT A CHANCE IN HELL MANGOLD and "BRICK" deserve to be there.

[spoon]

in fairness, the game is the week before the superbowl now, so they had to pick guys they knew had ZERO chance at playing in the SB

ha!

NOW I know why Rivers is going! That and bc his stats aren't THAT bad, but the AFC comp truly is! Seriously, go look. Who should go in his place!? And it's his worst year of his starting career!

[spoon]

Also, its gonna suck watching Tom Brady loft bombs up to Desean Jackson next year.

interesting concept there!

this seems like their type play no doubt!

[cougarjake13]

interesting concept there!

this seems like their type play no doubt!




esp with all his antics they might get him cheaper

[TripleSkeet]

and who judges qbs only/mostly by color?!

come on man, that's nuts

AHEM AHEM. :innocent:

[spoon]

AHEM AHEM. :innocent:



http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvqc1j2DNa1qce99fo1_250.gif

[hanso]

RG3 plays tonight Baylor 9pm EST could be the next QB for some team.

[ozzie]

I give Rivera and the staff he put together a TON of credit for putting Cam in the position he is. They KNEW winning wasn't going to be easy and the qb's NFL development was the important thing this year, along with him being allowed to make mistakes and adjust. He hit that lull later than I thought he would, but he's already out of it and I think they've done an amazing job allowing him and the team to go out there and trial and error the whole year. Next year is the true test, as the stress of being expected to win/compete become real, but this year sets him and the team up well. Too many teams waste rook years and or just waste them in general like SD over the last 3. Talk about wasting Gates/Rivers and some others with the coaching in place having honestly no shot at winning anything of importance. They and other teams continue on hope versus a plan and I give Carolina a lot of cred for just letting loose this year under a new coach, qb and most of the staff behind them.

I disagree. For me, opening day this year was the "true test". The knock on Cam was that he wasn't smart enough, didn't have enough experience in a "pro style offense", and people doubting his ability to read coverages and make "NFL" throws.

Motherfuckers were actually saying they thought Tebow was a better passer.

Throw in the lock out, and the shortened training camp, and everyone predicted he'd embarrass himself and his team in Week 1.

He responds by throwing for 422 yards. 9 of 13 on passes of 15 yds or more downfield, and falls a few yards short of pulling an opening day upset almost singlehandedly.

There should have been no more doubting his ability to play at the NFL level, yet some still didn't believe until he kept doing it week after week. Some still aren't convinced.

And you're not the only one I've heard/read already saying that he's going to have to prove himself all over again next year. Almost dismissing any of his accomplishments this year as some sort of rookie "fluke".

For some reason, some of the talking heads just don't seem to like the guy on a personal level, and just can't wait for him to "fail" so they can say, "I told you so", and spit the crow out of their mouths, and wipe the egg off.

If I ever see Cecil Newton in person, I'm liable to kick him square in the ball sack for ruining his kid's reputation the way he did. Every fucking stone in this state has been overturned looking for proof that Cam was "dirty", but no matter how many times they come up empty, the kid is never exhonorated.

So many people convicted the kid in their minds last fall, and he remains "guilty until proven innocent"... but it's obvious that some will never accept his innocence, no matter how many rumors are proven false.

Tebow is the "good guy". Cam is the "bad guy". And it fucking pains some of them to have to report anything contrary to this. No one will report a fucking word about anything Cam does off the field, or his own religious beliefs, but they can't suck Tebow's cock lovingly enough. They're forced to talk about stats, and have to acknowledge the disparity, but when in doubt, compare wins, and end your arguement there.

Until this year I didn't really even acknowledge that the Pathers existed (Browns and Bears are my teams), but now I find myself rooting for them every week just to shut these motherfuckers up. Nothing would make me happier at this point than if they can go into that feces encrusted superdome and knock the Saints out of a first round "bye".

Oh, and "GO CHIEFS!"

[Snacks]

there are many reasons why those things were said and why he was doubted. For 1 he only played 1 year of competitive div 1 college football so why not doubt what he could do when he was considered a running qb and those dont last.

never heard 1 person say tebow was a better passer but i guess some might have said that i didnt pay attention to everything ever said about cam like you probably do and did.

tebow is a good kid and the reason people were saying cam was a "bad" kid had reason. he was thrown out of florida for "buying" a stolen laptop. he then had all those problems his 1 and only year at auburn. now we can agree to disagree but there is no doubt in my mind he knew what his father did and how much his father asked for from all schools. i wouldnt be surprised if auburn or some booster paid him/his father. his dad asked for money from other teams and was about to sign other places but yet never asked auburn for money and then decided to sign with them too? come on! i dont like the hype of tebow 1 bit and its that same shit that makes me not root for him because i hate the media. but he has never done anything to make people question his character or his faith. the fact that cams father is a rev and did what he does and on top of it cams other issues is why no one cares about his faith and think its all a ploy or way to make money just like many other religious people they hide behind jesus while robbing you blind.

as for needing to prove himself next year i agree with that because plenty of qbs that have looked good or even great at times their 1st year regressed. look at bradford, flacco and more. kordell might be the best example and comparisons to cam. kordell went nuts and had a great 1st year as a starter especially running the ball for yards and tds just like cam. he almost brought pitt to the super bowl. They had almost identical seasons and then kordell was figured out and sucked. so i dont see a problem with them saying he needs to do it again next year especially with much higher expectations.

you root for carolina because you like cam thats why. just like you root against den and tebow. lets be honest if he went to alabama you would be throwing stones its because he went to auburn no other reason then that, that you like him.

now i do like him and have no connection to anything. i think he outplayed everyones expectations this year. i think he needs to prove himself next year and i hope he can prove others wrong again. i think its fucked up that these college players play for free and that these schools use them to make millions but i also dont believe it was just his father. imo there is no way he didnt know his father asked for money. i think the reason nothing comes back on him is because his father is taking the rap and blame for everything and has since day 1. to me there is no difference between what cams father did and what reggie bush step father and mother did. did cams father get money? i dont know but it was a lot easier to prove rental property and have a miserable agent who had nothing to lose by ratting them out. if cams father got cash from boosters it will be almost impossible to prove without a smoking gun. there only smoking gun is from other schools who lost out on cam telling that cecil was asking for x amount.

[ozzie]

never heard 1 person say tebow was a better passer

See Skip Bayless at around the 1:45 mark of the vid above.

the reason people were saying cam was a "bad" kid had reason. he was thrown out of florida for "buying" a stolen laptop. he then had all those problems his 1 and only year at auburn. now we can agree to disagree but there is no doubt in my mind he knew what his father did and how much his father asked for from all schools. i wouldnt be surprised if auburn or some booster paid him/his father. his dad asked for money from other teams and was about to sign other places but yet never asked auburn for money and then decided to sign with them too? come on!

There were facts behind the laptop incident. He was punished, and did his time.

As for the rest... you're proving my point. You're convicting the kid without any evidence.

The only thing ever "proven" was an admission by his father that he was involved in a discussion with Mississippi State about receiving money for his kid to play for MSU. And even then, it's never been proven which side brought up the topic, yet it gets repeated in the media as if Cam was "shopped" around.

Yes, he was the #1 rated JUCO player that year, but there was a very short list of schools that even made him an offer. Oklahoma, Mississippi State, and Auburn were the big three. Oklahoma was pretty well set at QB. MSU had connections from Mullen's time with him at UF. And then Auburn (specifically Gus Malzahn) took a late interest in him after looking at another player at Blinn CC, and watching some film.

At no time was he "about to sign" with anyone else.

People assume that EVERY major school was after this "can't miss QB", when that is so far from the truth. He hadn't proven anything in his one year at UF, and the next year was against Junior colleges. Not to mention the baggage that he brought from UF.

And even then, Oklahoma U was investigated in all of this too, and there was NO findings of any wrong doing, or any monitary offers by either side. If he was "shopped", then surely OU would have been solicited as well, and they had their chance to add to the case against the Newtons, but there was nothing to report.

Yet it continues to be reported as "fact" that he was "shopped around", and so it's assumed that Auburn MUST have made the best offer.

This is what Cam had to say after his visit to Auburn (http://auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1030939):

"You have Coach Malzahn, who honestly in my opinion, is one of the top up-and-up coordinators in the country. It's getting real big at Auburn."

Newton said he spent a lot of time with Malzahn, who doubles as Auburn's quarterback coach. Newton was very impressed with what he saw and heard from the Tigers' second-year man. The numbers Malzahn has put up, Newton said, don't lie.

"The offense is real different, but it's different in explosiveness," said Newton. "Coach Malzahn was telling me the statistics he's had, the accolades he's been given. There's not a question of if this offense works, if this program works. He's got statistics to back it up.

Newton was all smiles following his visit to Auburn.

"Tulsa…boom. He has that. He goes and makes an average quarterback good. He told me he could make a good quarterback great. That's what I want to hear."

Auburn did not have a returning starting QB, and the offense was perfect to showcase his talents. Why is it so hard for some to believe that THIS could be the reason he chose to play there?

Why is it so hard to believe that the Mississippi State staff / boosters might have been desperate enough to have been the ones to try to bribe the kid's father into trying to get him to play there? And once you objectively accept this as a possible scenario, it becomes easier to believe that there was no reason for Cam to know, since he wasn't going to take the offer.

No matter what you believe happened at that shady hotel in MS, there's still no evidence of any money exchanging hands, and all of the Newton's financial records, including Cecil's church, were investigated thoroughly.

But no matter what I type here, it's not going to change public opinion.

And yes, I fully admit that I follow former Auburn players, and root for all of them. I already said that's why I've been following / rooting for Cam and the Panthers to do well this year. Same with Ben Tate, Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell, and a lot of other former AU players.

And, no, there's a lot of former Alabama players that I like as well. A lot of those kids came from HS around here, and I don't fault any of them for playing for Alabama, or wherever they went.

I don't hate Tebow at all. I just wish that people could see some of the same things in Cam that they seem to like in Tim. He spent a lot of time off the field during his year at Auburn with kids, and he's been doing the same things in Carolina. And while he doesn't flaunt it, he's a good christian kid, and a good team mate. It's a lot of the same reasons that I like Mark Ingram as a person too... even though he was a dirty bammer, and overrated as a heisman winner. :wink:

[Snacks]

ozzie i agree with almost everything you said you just need to remember that the media and this country sucks now because everything reported, rumors, lies and stories etc immediately becomes fact in most peoples eyes and we have become a society of guilty til proven innocent or charges are dropped and then many still say you are guilty but the prosecution sucked and couldnt prove their case. it amazes me every time and it happens on here a lot. i like cam and i love players/people that succeed with a big "fuck you" to those that hate and the negative media. i think the opposite has happened with tebow for me because they make him seem like the rebirth of christ and he can do no wrong. so in a weird way i find myself rooting for him to fail if not only to see how the media handles it. like the last 2 weeks they have blamed others for him loses and even his picks or given him a pass. but when he was winning they did media tours and 30 min discussion about how great he is on and off the field, its sickening.

Im pessimistic so i dont doubt that he or his family benefited some way from his football in college or juco etc. i also dont care if they did because every other activity people get paid for what they do while getting an education for free except when it comes to football and basketball. tennis players go to academy's for schooling and to get better they get paid. geniuses can get scholarships to colleges and also work for projects on campus and get paid and funded by outside sources. it doesnt matter nothing is going to change and thats another topic. but i will say the hate bush has gotten for this and even cam is ridiculous. how can you fault poor or non rich people for not getting what they can when they see so many others making millions off their talents? its a tough yet fine line and some cross it and some dont. do you not think tebows parents have benefited from their son? they run overseas missions do you not think they have received random huge donations from florida alum, florida the university itself, booster etc? i cant see how they didnt or wouldnt have done some "fund raisers" on campus or within the gator community and using their sons name and celebrity while in college to raise money. maybe thats me being pessimistic again?!

[ozzie]

I'm not sure where Sailor's post went, but I'll answer it anyway.

How would I feel if Cam had went to Alabama?

It would have probably depended upon whether Auburn was recruiting him as well.

See, that's the thing I don't understand about some of the butthurt opposing fans.

I fully understood why Mississippi State fans were upset. They thought they had a legit chance to get him because Mullen had coached him his freshman year at UF, so it was assumed that he could persuade him to play there.

So when AU played MSU in week #2, we had a lot of fun going back and forth with MSU fans over our new QB. After that week, interest in Cam was almost non-existent. Hell, some AU fans were still wondering if they'd made the right choice at starting QB.

No one else really cared. Bama was the defending MNC's, and had snagged another #1 recruiting class, so "so what" if Auburn had gotten some "criminal" wash-out Juco QB.

AU barely snuck by MSU that week, and really struggled on offense against Clemson. Cam really didn't get a sniff of national media attention until sometime after the USCe game. And it wasn't until after they beat LSU and people started looking for heisman candidates that most people even noticed him.

But after the wins started adding up, and it was becoming apparent that AU had something special with this kid, opposing fans acted like AU had stolen this football god away from their school, and everyone else. When the truth was, the majority of their schools never even gave the kid a scholarship offer.

But, back to the question. In the last couple of years, Auburn has had several "commitments" from 5-star players. Of those, 3 suddenly changed their minds and went to Alabama at the last minute. (Or with Cyrus, after signing day)

Last year, in addition to Cyrus, there was a 5-star LB/RB who "committed" to Auburn during the All american game... who suddenly disappeared the weekend before signing day. Only later to find out that he was at a place in Florida with an Alabama booster, and when he got back home, he'd changed his mind.

And it just happened again this year with a 5-star RB who's been "committed" to Auburn since June. And every time it does, it makes people wonder why, or what Alabama did to suddenly change their minds.

So, sure, if AU and UA were head to head on Cam, and he chose them over us... and the same allegations came out against bama, my first reaction would have been "Ah HA! Finally caught those cheatin' bastards!"

Where it went from there, who knows. I don't think I'd hate the kid, just like I don't hate Reggie Bush. I'd hate the school (bama) if it was proven, but I honestly wouldn't hate the player.

And there's fact to back that up. In 2000, Bama boosters got busted paying $200,000 for the rights to sign a lineman out of Tennessee, Albert Means (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Means). (The kid was a bust, and ESPN loves the tide, so I doubt most of you even know this fact) While I celebrated them getting caught, I never blamed the kid, or wished for him to fail. Turned out, he never played a down for bama, so I'm sure that helped the way I feel. But I digress.

And Bama didn't "steal" Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson away from Auburn, so even if it came out that they had done something against the rules to persuade them to attend, I don't think I'd hate the players for doing something that we suspect happens with a lot of crimson recruits.

Sure, I laughed at USC for getting caught, but I honestly don't blame the Bush's or feel anything negatively towards Reggie.

Some people act like it somehow gives athletes a competetive advantage on the field. Like they were busted for using a PED, and want to start discrediting anything they did. The fact is, Reggie Bush would have starred wherever he played. And probably would have chosen USC anyway to be surrounded by the most talent. So, no, I don't "hate" Reggie Bush at all, or think any less of him as a player.

Now... if he was the difference between USC playing for the MNC over Auburn in 2004... that's where I get a little pissed off. But USC might have still gone undefeated without him, so who knows.

But goddammit, Auburn had a helluva fucking team that year! Shit, now I'm depressed again.

[ozzie]

Sorry for the hi-jack... back to the NFL.

What's the latest on Gruden?

I'm asking because the story I saw seemed to imply that he might be interested in the Rams job because of the chance to coach Bradford AND the possibility of adding another top pick.

Now that Indy fucked around and won 2 games, and the Rams have a shot at the #1 overall pick... I'm just questioning their motivation this week against the niners.

10½ is a lot to lay on this game, but getting a first round bye should be a huge motivator for SF, and if it looks like StL might lay down, this could be an easy payday.

[Snacks]

Sorry for the hi-jack... back to the NFL.

What's the latest on Gruden?

I'm asking because the story I saw seemed to imply that he might be interested in the Rams job because of the chance to coach Bradford AND the possibility of adding another top pick.

Now that Indy fucked around and won 2 games, and the Rams have a shot at the #1 overall pick... I'm just questioning their motivation this week against the niners.

10½ is a lot to lay on this game, but getting a first round bye should be a huge motivator for SF, and if it looks like StL might lay down, this could be an easy payday.

I read that if stl got the 1st pick they would actually trade Bradford and draft Luck. ESPN also reported this yesterday as well.

[ozzie]

I read that if stl got the 1st pick they would actually trade Bradford and draft Luck. ESPN also reported this yesterday as well.

I was getting that from the sbnation piece that said:

Peter King recently suggested that the Rams job, which is expected to be open after head coach Steve Spagnuolo is fired, could be the best one available considering the presence of Sam Bradford and a top pick in the 2012 NFL draft. Perhaps that's why Gruden is reportedly interested.

But even if they trade Bradford and took Luck, someone would still have to give up a first round pick to get Bradford... assuming someone else was willing to pick up that huge contract too.

[Snoogans]

I was getting that from the sbnation piece that said:



But even if they trade Bradford and took Luck, someone would still have to give up a first round pick to get Bradford... assuming someone else was willing to pick up that huge contract too.

i dont get why you would deal stafford for luck. I love this shit. Every year guys do this and then after the draft, talk about how hard it is to predict and how "locks" arent such locks. Yet we are assuming we should throw away 2 years of a guy playin in the NFL for a dude who is coming out of college now, and to be honest, is INCREDIBLY over rated. i dont get why people jerk off over this guy so much. he is good but he isnt even the fuckin 3rd best QB in the country this year. Fuck him. I hope he fails now

[ozzie]

i dont get why you would deal stafford for luck. I love this shit. Every year guys do this and then after the draft, talk about how hard it is to predict and how "locks" arent such locks. Yet we are assuming we should throw away 2 years of a guy playin in the NFL for a dude who is coming out of college now, and to be honest, is INCREDIBLY over rated. i dont get why people jerk off over this guy so much. he is good but he isnt even the fuckin 3rd best QB in the country this year. Fuck him. I hope he fails now

Yeah, the only way it makes sense is if someone gives up a high first round pick AND takes that huge fucking contract with him, giving you room to sign two first-rounders this year, and leaving cap room to sign other free agents. Then I could possibly understand.

[spoon]

there are many reasons why those things were said and why he was doubted. For 1 he only played 1 year of competitive div 1 college football so why not doubt what he could do when he was considered a running qb and those dont last.

never heard 1 person say tebow was a better passer but i guess some might have said that i didnt pay attention to everything ever said about cam like you probably do and did.

tebow is a good kid and the reason people were saying cam was a "bad" kid had reason. he was thrown out of florida for "buying" a stolen laptop. he then had all those problems his 1 and only year at auburn. now we can agree to disagree but there is no doubt in my mind he knew what his father did and how much his father asked for from all schools. i wouldnt be surprised if auburn or some booster paid him/his father. his dad asked for money from other teams and was about to sign other places but yet never asked auburn for money and then decided to sign with them too? come on! i dont like the hype of tebow 1 bit and its that same shit that makes me not root for him because i hate the media. but he has never done anything to make people question his character or his faith. the fact that cams father is a rev and did what he does and on top of it cams other issues is why no one cares about his faith and think its all a ploy or way to make money just like many other religious people they hide behind jesus while robbing you blind.

as for needing to prove himself next year i agree with that because plenty of qbs that have looked good or even great at times their 1st year regressed. look at bradford, flacco and more. kordell might be the best example and comparisons to cam. kordell went nuts and had a great 1st year as a starter especially running the ball for yards and tds just like cam. he almost brought pitt to the super bowl. They had almost identical seasons and then kordell was figured out and sucked. so i dont see a problem with them saying he needs to do it again next year especially with much higher expectations.

you root for carolina because you like cam thats why. just like you root against den and tebow. lets be honest if he went to alabama you would be throwing stones its because he went to auburn no other reason then that, that you like him.

now i do like him and have no connection to anything. i think he outplayed everyones expectations this year. i think he needs to prove himself next year and i hope he can prove others wrong again. i think its fucked up that these college players play for free and that these schools use them to make millions but i also dont believe it was just his father. imo there is no way he didnt know his father asked for money. i think the reason nothing comes back on him is because his father is taking the rap and blame for everything and has since day 1. to me there is no difference between what cams father did and what reggie bush step father and mother did. did cams father get money? i dont know but it was a lot easier to prove rental property and have a miserable agent who had nothing to lose by ratting them out. if cams father got cash from boosters it will be almost impossible to prove without a smoking gun. there only smoking gun is from other schools who lost out on cam telling that cecil was asking for x amount.

I agree with all of this except the pay college kids part...but that's another topic for another day. One thing I'll add to the discourse is Cam simply needs to prove he can win and play well in tight games with something on the line. Let's be honest, this team surely opened up the O in every way and it's not just Cam who won in week one, it was a rookie coach, a vet running back crew and a very savvy WR who has helped this kid so much...along with a ton more. It's a give and take and I pretty much see this year as a throw out year that got close to being bigger bc the kid/coach and team overall over performed when all is said and done.

Still, the true test/goal in the NFL is to win when you are expected to compete and with that comes true NFL pressure. Teams will surely game plan for the speedy qb in the future, and the game won't be so carefree as it was this year where let's face it, the end result wasn't that big a deal. Sure they pushed to win games, but it's not the same as it will be next year.

Oh and I do watch a ton of the scouts and "experts" and NOT ONCE did I hear someone claim Tebow was a better throwing qb than Cam. Not one single time, ever. If it's a faith off, I'll take Tim any day of the week...but anything involving being a qb, yah, even Curtis Painter edges him out there.

[Snacks]

Yeah, the only way it makes sense is if someone gives up a high first round pick AND takes that huge fucking contract with him, giving you room to sign two first-rounders this year, and leaving cap room to sign other free agents. Then I could possibly understand.

that and bradfords injury history. what they are doing is hoping someone is stupid enough who has a pick in the 10-15 range (like miami, hope not) that also needs a qb and is willing to trade for bradford. if they did that they would sing luck who would be cheaper then bradford, not worry about injuries as much because bradford has a history of them and even now he already is getting hurt often in the nfl. I personally like luck and think he might be a cant miss player but even that means dick because you never truly know. the reason you do this is the reasons i mentioned before saving money and bradfords injury history. other then that you never know.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, the only way it makes sense is if someone gives up a high first round pick AND takes that huge fucking contract with him, giving you room to sign two first-rounders this year, and leaving cap room to sign other free agents. Then I could possibly understand.

yea i guess youd have to in that case, but even still, basically all you did was hti the reset button for an extra 5 mill in cap space. Even if they trade bradford, they have to eat the upfront money, so that would slap the cap for next year like 35 mill. I dont think they could even do that.

[Snoogans]

that and bradfords injury history. what they are doing is hoping someone is stupid enough who has a pick in the 10-15 range (like miami, hope not) that also needs a qb and is willing to trade for bradford. if they did that they would sing luck who would be cheaper then bradford, not worry about injuries as much because bradford has a history of them and even now he already is getting hurt often in the nfl. I personally like luck and think he might be a cant miss player but even that means dick because you never truly know. the reason you do this is the reasons i mentioned before saving money and bradfords injury history. other then that you never know.

again, this is NFL. when you guarantee money up front, and then you trade a guy, you have to eat that hit. the other team only takes on the non guaranteed salary part of it. For st louis to trade bradford, they would have to take the cap hit for his entire guaranteed remaining money, which is like 25 -30 mill. If they had that hit the cap, they would have to get the whole rest of the team signed for under 100 mill. Its not realistic

[ozzie]

Oh and I do watch a ton of the scouts and "experts" and NOT ONCE did I hear someone claim Tebow was a better throwing qb than Cam. Not one single time, ever. If it's a faith off, I'll take Tim any day of the week...but anything involving being a qb, yah, even Curtis Painter edges him out there.

Again... see dipshit Skip Bayless at around the 1:45 mark in the Cam vid I posted earlier:

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[underdog]

I've never heard an expert say Cam Newton was worse than Tim Tebow!

If only there were some sort of video proof or something.

[spoon]

Im pessimistic so i dont doubt that he or his family benefited some way from his football in college or juco etc. i also dont care if they did because every other activity people get paid for what they do while getting an education for free except when it comes to football and basketball. tennis players go to academy's for schooling and to get better they get paid. geniuses can get scholarships to colleges and also work for projects on campus and get paid and funded by outside sources. it doesnt matter nothing is going to change and thats another topic. but i will say the hate bush has gotten for this and even cam is ridiculous. how can you fault poor or non rich people for not getting what they can when they see so many others making millions off their talents? its a tough yet fine line and some cross it and some dont. do you not think tebows parents have benefited from their son? they run overseas missions do you not think they have received random huge donations from florida alum, florida the university itself, booster etc? i cant see how they didnt or wouldnt have done some "fund raisers" on campus or within the gator community and using their sons name and celebrity while in college to raise money. maybe thats me being pessimistic again?!
What does that even mean? You truly don't know of what you speak. "Tennis players going to academy for schooling and to get better they get paid"? "Geniuses can get scholarships" yes, just like great athletes, but the work the do for projects on campus are funded sure, just like the equipment, coaching staff, travel and stadiums are funded for those kids to play football with a shot to go on to the NFL in some capacity or in the coaching/training areas. I was a part of multiple research GRANTS while in college, and I was paid basically min wage through them for my time and efforts. It was drop in the bucket but it's no different bc kids on the team get a lot without any actual work, and also usually have options to be ras/das/gym trainers and more in the off season.

Bottom line, I have no problem with the kids not actually getting paid bc it's supposed to be about an education with the sports as a catalyst to do so...and a pro career that carrot in front of you. The money is an issue, I agree, we just have a difference in where it should go. To me, this money should mainly go BACK to grants for research, more scholarships and financial aid for college to open up to the communities overall, not just if you can run, catch or are smart enough to decode the human genome. Better our country, states and communities in man ways be helping empower our workforce and creating a more enlightened country in the end. However, that money is in the hands of those with power and these are a greedy bunch, so just expect to see tuition rise instead, college priced out for many families and the money continue to be funneled to those who don't need it.

[Snoogans]

What does that even mean? You truly don't know of what you speak. "Tennis players going to academy for schooling and to get better they get paid"? "Geniuses can get scholarships" yes, just like great athletes, but the work the do for projects on campus are funded sure, just like the equipment, coaching staff, travel and stadiums are funded for those kids to play football with a shot to go on to the NFL in some capacity or in the coaching/training areas. I was a part of multiple research GRANTS while in college, and I was paid basically min wage through them for my time and efforts. It was drop in the bucket but it's no different bc kids on the team get a lot without any actual work, and also usually have options to be ras/das/gym trainers and more in the off season.

Bottom line, I have no problem with the kids not actually getting paid bc it's supposed to be about an education with the sports as a catalyst to do so...and a pro career that carrot in front of you. The money is an issue, I agree, we just have a difference in where it should go. To me, this money should mainly go BACK to grants for research, more scholarships and financial aid for college to open up to the communities overall, not just if you can run, catch or are smart enough to decode the human genome. Better our country, states and communities in man ways be helping empower our workforce and creating a more enlightened country in the end. However, that money is in the hands of those with power and these are a greedy bunch, so just expect to see tuition rise instead, college priced out for many families and the money continue to be funneled to those who don't need it.

i think what snacks was tryin to say is other students on scholarship are allowed to work and do things in there fields and make money and still be allowed to go to school and participate. I think. Either that or he was complaining the that NCAA doesnt allow scholarship athletes to have jobs, which is only during their season. off season they are allowed to have jobs, so hopefully he meant the first way

[spoon]

Yeah, the only way it makes sense is if someone gives up a high first round pick AND takes that huge fucking contract with him, giving you room to sign two first-rounders this year, and leaving cap room to sign other free agents. Then I could possibly understand.

This is a HUGE point now that the salary system is much better for rooks coming in. My thoughts are this isn't such a bad call if they can still land a first rounder for Bradford, something that will be incredibly tough if you ask me bc of this contract issue. I find is amazing how much they'll save if they make the move, and let's be fair, St. Louis has a TON of huge 1st round contracts on the books bc they have been awful for years coming into the new CBA...so much so they have a LOT of money wrapped into a few players and STILL are awful overall. This move might be more necessity over the long run, than something they want to do. It's not such a bad play either. Bradford is still the #2 highest contract in the f'n NFL bt Manning and Brady, and they have other huge contracts from high first rounders before the new system like Chris Long & Jason Smith. Add to this some not so savvy contracts to guys like A KICKER Josh Brown, center Brown, db Bartel, G Dahl, db Mikell and a few more and you see their dilemma. I can't argue the Jackson contract bc of the position and his past, but now with his injury issues it's not so good either in the end.

[spoon]

yea i guess youd have to in that case, but even still, basically all you did was hti the reset button for an extra 5 mill in cap space. Even if they trade bradford, they have to eat the upfront money, so that would slap the cap for next year like 35 mill. I dont think they could even do that.
great point, forget about it entirely

so there was no change in the recent cba here then?

[spoon]

Again... see dipshit Skip Bayless at around the 1:45 mark in the Cam vid I posted earlier:

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Oh I didn't think or say you were lying, just giving you what I heard. And I'm not sure I'd even call Bayless and expert WITH quotes around it! I'd first take the opinion of you, snoogans or snacks before that idiot.

[spoon]

I've never heard an expert say Cam Newton was worse than Tim Tebow!

If only there were some sort of video proof or something.

:annoyed:

some of us read down the thread chronologically to catch up, not just go all cliff notes on our asses post nazi style!

now I want that duel more than ever!

:furious::wink:

[spoon]

i think what snacks was tryin to say is other students on scholarship are allowed to work and do things in there fields and make money and still be allowed to go to school and participate. I think. Either that or he was complaining the that NCAA doesnt allow scholarship athletes to have jobs, which is only during their season. off season they are allowed to have jobs, so hopefully he meant the first way

and that's the point, you can have jobs during the offseason and trust me, you want for nothing being a top level recruit/athlete at these schools...I've seen it with a few buddies that went pro ... one even at PSU (not known to cater as much to athletes...unless under 10)

[Snacks]

What does that even mean? You truly don't know of what you speak. "Tennis players going to academy for schooling and to get better they get paid"? "Geniuses can get scholarships" yes, just like great athletes, but the work the do for projects on campus are funded sure, just like the equipment, coaching staff, travel and stadiums are funded for those kids to play football with a shot to go on to the NFL in some capacity or in the coaching/training areas. I was a part of multiple research GRANTS while in college, and I was paid basically min wage through them for my time and efforts. It was drop in the bucket but it's no different bc kids on the team get a lot without any actual work, and also usually have options to be ras/das/gym trainers and more in the off season.

Bottom line, I have no problem with the kids not actually getting paid bc it's supposed to be about an education with the sports as a catalyst to do so...and a pro career that carrot in front of you. The money is an issue, I agree, we just have a difference in where it should go. To me, this money should mainly go BACK to grants for research, more scholarships and financial aid for college to open up to the communities overall, not just if you can run, catch or are smart enough to decode the human genome. Better our country, states and communities in man ways be helping empower our workforce and creating a more enlightened country in the end. However, that money is in the hands of those with power and these are a greedy bunch, so just expect to see tuition rise instead, college priced out for many families and the money continue to be funneled to those who don't need it.

thought this was another topic. anyway i love how you tell me i dont know what i mean yet you dont seem to understand. tennis players go to academies like private high schools for free while also playing their sport and getting paid sponsorship dollars and whatever they win in said tournaments. Geniuses, meaning very smart people get scholarships all the time for their academics but they can still earn money while getting their scholarships. Many even take on projects that the school pays for and they can earn weekly paychecks while working on these projects. They can also get other jobs on campus or can work in outside labs or computer companies all while going to school for free.

i guess or as you say you did this and had no problem with it. i guess because everyone that plays college ball will go pro? the problem is they dont and many will never make any real money so why not let them make it while they can. lots of college athletes go to school hoping to go pro and not for their education. Yes their fault but many schools dont care either they want the kids there for their athletic talents not their brains. So they have that carrot in their faces of the pros but so do the others who get scholarships to, their carrots are careers and usually careers in the fields they are studying and many go from small projects with these companies while in school to actually being hired by them later.

i dont understand why you have such a problem with athletes getting paid or making money? we agree the money should go other places but the fact is it doesnt so why should rich fuckers get richer off of free labor while these kids can die or get brain damage playing a sport that when its all over prepared them for nothing? its nice world to think that they are there for an education but many of us know that major college programs dont care about that even though they say they do and we know most of these kids dont care either. they are there for other reasons and when its all over its too late and when the college is done getting all they can out of them they dont give 2 shits about them.

[spoon]

snacks, my points as usual are completely lost on you

i FULLY understand the differences here, in fact I lived them. I ripped your tennis scenario bc it's COMPLETELY different as college tennis players DO NOT get paid and it's not the same in any way. next your breakdown on "geniuses" is pretty sophomoric at best. Players too can work after their season, and get WAY more not even working during the season. It's naive to think they aren't taken care of, I can assure you they are even down to the lowly kicker and O linemen. I've had friends go to many different major schools and to say these poor kids is comical. There needs to be more focus on the overall package that is college, not their funding bc there is money on the table. I guess high school players should now get paid too right? Where's the line bt school and sports?

[Snacks]

snacks, my points as usual are completely lost on you

i FULLY understand the differences here, in fact I lived them. I ripped your tennis scenario bc it's COMPLETELY different as college tennis players DO NOT get paid and it's not the same in any way. next your breakdown on "geniuses" is pretty sophomoric at best. Players too can work after their season, and get WAY more not even working during the season. It's naive to think they aren't taken care of, I can assure you they are even down to the lowly kicker and O linemen. I've had friends go to many different major schools and to say these poor kids is comical. There needs to be more focus on the overall package that is college, not their funding bc there is money on the table. I guess high school players should now get paid too right? Where's the line bt school and sports?

there is a fine line and high school kids dont get paid because they go to school where they live for the most part and have no or limited choices when it comes to public schools. but yes catholic high schools and private high schools have become like colleges and those kids get bused in and because their is no ncaa their parents can and do get perks like jobs from alumni, cars, cash etc on top of their kids free tuition. the other difference is colleges are making millions off of football most high schools dont its more of just bragging rights among the town leaders, former alumni etc.

[cougarjake13]

So who's gonna win and lose this weekend ?

I'm thinking rafi nadal

[ozzie]

RG3 plays tonight Baylor 9pm EST could be the next QB for some team.

One of the few heisman winners in recent years who probably improved his stock value by playing in a bowl game.

Kiper has him #6 overall on his "big board".

[cougarjake13]

So that would be the refskins pick no?

[hanso]

So that would be the refskins pick no?

Read a mock draft story the other day had them at 7 here it is.
http://www.thephinsider.com/2011/12/29/2666637/kmb8488s-2012-nfl-mock-draft-first-edition


Had TB at 6.

[cougarjake13]

Read a mock draft story the other day had them at 7 here it is.
http://www.thephinsider.com/2011/12/29/2666637/kmb8488s-2012-nfl-mock-draft-first-edition


Had TB at 6.



rg 3 in miami

imagine him throweing to marshall

[Snacks]

rg 3 in miami

imagine him throweing to marshall

everything im hearing the past 2 days is he will probably be taken by the dolphins and they will build their offense around his skills. he seems like a good kid and a great athlete but i wonder if he is a tebow or a cam newton? i hope he is more like newton then tebow but i dont know i havent seen enough to be too happy yet.

[cougarjake13]

everything im hearing the past 2 days is he will probably be taken by the dolphins and they will build their offense around his skills. he seems like a good kid and a great athlete but i wonder if he is a tebow or a cam newton? i hope he is more like newton then tebow but i dont know i havent seen enough to be too happy yet.



if u watch college football at all ud know that he's no where near being a tebow

[Snacks]

if u watch college football at all ud know that he's no where near being a tebow

tebow wasnt this bad in college either. i havent watched anything other then espn highlights from this season and most of the bowl game yesterday. he played against an awful def last night. maybe hes good but winning a heisman doesnt make you a stud nfl prospect so im not sold nor am i against drafting him either. i dont want to trade up to get him though. if he falls to us then fine if not trade up for luck or trade for flynn in GB. If not next years draft seems to be QB stacked. We cant rush to draft a qb we have to get the right guy. I still like henne and think he could be a good NFL QB. I hope we re-sign him. Lots of miami fans seem to like Moore, I dont so if I can keep henne and not moore i will be happy. The combine is coming lets see how rg3 does there and lets see what pick we actually get. better yet lets see if he even comes out for this years draft!

[hanso]

rg 3 in miami

imagine him throweing to marshall

There is some talk about it on sports radio. Giving picks etc. an opportunity like this doesn't come along often. So they should try to to take advantage of it, would be great.


everything im hearing the past 2 days is he will probably be taken by the dolphins and they will build their offense around his skills. he seems like a good kid and a great athlete but i wonder if he is a tebow or a cam newton? i hope he is more like newton then tebow but i dont know i havent seen enough to be too happy yet.

You should've seen the bowl game the other night. The score was like an NBA game.

[Snacks]

There is some talk about it on sports radio. Giving picks etc. an opportunity like this doesn't come along often. So they should try to to take advantage of it, would be great.




You should've seen the bowl game the other night. The score was like an NBA game.

i watched most of it, it was terrible that no one played any def. if anything i was most impressed with the baylor rb. 200 yards and 5 tds. i didnt love watching the qb run 18 times and then e only got 55 yards on those 18 carries.

[Snoogans]

great point, forget about it entirely

so there was no change in the recent cba here then?

no, guarantees and bonuses prorate and front load the same way they did before. the only thing in terms of salaries and that shit that changed was the rookie scale and the actual cap number. other than that, the rules are all the same

[cougarjake13]

tebow wasnt this bad in college either. i havent watched anything other then espn highlights from this season and most of the bowl game yesterday. he played against an awful def last night. maybe hes good but winning a heisman doesnt make you a stud nfl prospect so im not sold nor am i against drafting him either. i dont want to trade up to get him though. if he falls to us then fine if not trade up for luck or trade for flynn in GB. If not next years draft seems to be QB stacked. We cant rush to draft a qb we have to get the right guy. I still like henne and think he could be a good NFL QB. I hope we re-sign him. Lots of miami fans seem to like Moore, I dont so if I can keep henne and not moore i will be happy. The combine is coming lets see how rg3 does there and lets see what pick we actually get. better yet lets see if he even comes out for this years draft!


tebow was great in college but he wasnt throwing nfl type passes like rg3 does
i dont think theres anyone questioning rg3 throwing style or if he should be a nfl qb like with tebow

[cougarjake13]

There is some talk about it on sports radio. Giving picks etc. an opportunity like this doesn't come along often. So they should try to to take advantage of it, would be great.




You should've seen the bowl game the other night. The score was like an NBA game.



nba ?? maybe after 3 quarters


ncaa b-ball is more accurate

[Snoogans]

One of the few heisman winners in recent years who probably improved his stock value by playing in a bowl game.

Kiper has him #6 overall on his "big board".

i think RG is so underrated as a passer. And im not sittin here sayin he is gonna be a stud or suck or anything, ive learned my lesson on that. But i hear them comparing him to guys like VY and Tebow and other running QBs and thats not fair. He seemed, in the games i saw, to only run if he had to or if it was called. He would stand in the pocket and try to pass. And through 7 games this year, he actually had more Touchdown passes then incompletions.

you read that right. more TDs than incompletes through SEVEN fuckin games.

I would take RG before luck in a heartbeat. If he was in the draft, i would take Barkley way before luck too.

FUCK LUCK

[cougarjake13]

i think RG is so underrated as a passer. And im not sittin here sayin he is gonna be a stud or suck or anything, ive learned my lesson on that. But i hear them comparing him to guys like VY and Tebow and other running QBs and thats not fair. He seemed, in the games i saw, to only run if he had to or if it was called. He would stand in the pocket and try to pass. And through 7 games this year, he actually had more Touchdown passes then incompletions.

you read that right. more TDs than incompletes through SEVEN fuckin games.

I would take RG before luck in a heartbeat. If he was in the draft, i would take Barkley way before luck too.

FUCK LUCK


im starting to hear a lot of talk on radio of watching out luck may be ryan leaf

[Snoogans]

im starting to hear a lot of talk on radio of watching out luck may be ryan leaf

i dont think he is gonna be that bad, but i dont think he is destined for fuckin greatness. I watched him alot at Stanford. He is above average to good at the QB position. he isnt a bum, but i wouldnt take this kid with a top 20 pick, nevermind the first one

[hanso]

nba ?? maybe after 3 quarters


ncaa b-ball is more accurate

Keyword 'like' lol yea more like 3 qrt

Just remembered one play he was rolling left out of pocket/trouble then did some kinda of quick jump move while passing what looked like 40 yards down field.

[spoon]

im starting to hear a lot of talk on radio of watching out luck may be ryan leaf

i dont think he is gonna be that bad, but i dont think he is destined for fuckin greatness. I watched him alot at Stanford. He is above average to good at the QB position. he isnt a bum, but i wouldnt take this kid with a top 20 pick, nevermind the first one

Yah no shot in hell. First off, it's Stanford, not WSU so he simply can't be that dumb. Second, Leaf had soooo many mental issues outside of intelligence, he should have set up oh so many alarms.

[spoon]

i think RG is so underrated as a passer. And im not sittin here sayin he is gonna be a stud or suck or anything, ive learned my lesson on that. But i hear them comparing him to guys like VY and Tebow and other running QBs and thats not fair. He seemed, in the games i saw, to only run if he had to or if it was called. He would stand in the pocket and try to pass. And through 7 games this year, he actually had more Touchdown passes then incompletions.

you read that right. more TDs than incompletes through SEVEN fuckin games.

I would take RG before luck in a heartbeat. If he was in the draft, i would take Barkley way before luck too.

FUCK LUCK

you meant 3 games

still pretty sick, but not even close to seven

not sure where that's coming from

[Snoogans]

you meant 3 games

still pretty sick, but not even close to seven

not sure where that's coming from

in the espn blog, i think it was through 7, maybe he dipped below and then got back over for a game. Ill try to find it tomrorow when im not playin NBA 2k12, my new addiction

[spoon]

in the espn blog, i think it was through 7, maybe he dipped below and then got back over for a game. Ill try to find it tomrorow when im not playin NBA 2k12, my new addiction

don't bother, I checked and they were way off

[hanso]

Got Hank Goldberg on radio who says changes in the front office should be coming this w/e for Dolphins.


HC and maybe GM also.

[cougarjake13]

Got Hank Goldberg on radio who says changes in the front office should be coming this w/e for Dolphins.


HC and maybe GM also.


Well since they already fired sparano that was a given


Do u even really like sports or watch them cause sometimes u post stuff that's like u know nothing bout sports and just Pulled up Espn and post some link and comment

Cause a real fan wouldn't have said what u just did cause ud know that sparanos already gone

Don't mean to be a dick or nothing

[sailor]

dick.

[Snoogans]

don't bother, I checked and they were way off

awesome. that whole fuckin company has been mailin it in for a good 18 months now. even the guys who used to be pretty good suck now

[hanso]

Well since they already fired sparano that was a given


Do u even really like sports or watch them cause sometimes u post stuff that's like u know nothing bout sports and just Pulled up Espn and post some link and comment

Cause a real fan wouldn't have said what u just did cause ud know that sparanos already gone

Don't mean to be a dick or nothing

This guy has giving out inside scoops before anyone.
Inside info is just that. The last thing I posted was an opinion piece. I never go on ESPN did you run out of cheerieos or sum'?

This was a time frame thing it could be by next Wed. It could start other coaches to start signing also.

Maybe you missed the by this w/e part.

[cougarjake13]

Yeh but head coach is already gone so no shit theyre looking for a new one


Gm is tied to parcells and if Ross wants a high profile guy then a guy like tht isn't
Gonna want a gm there. Ie cowher or gruden


Don't eat Cheerios too much sugar

[hanso]

Yeh but head coach is already gone so no shit theyre looking for a new one


Gm is tied to parcells and if Ross wants a high profile guy then a guy like tht isn't
Gonna want a gm there. Ie cowher or gruden


Don't eat Cheerios too much sugar

Did you see what I put it had a timeline?

[cougarjake13]

No

[hanso]

No

Well that's the main deal it should be inside info. Could happen this w/e (weekend) or by next Wed.

Fisher is the top nominee or it might be someone like Billick it would be a HC he said.

[spoon]

awesome. that whole fuckin company has been mailin it in for a good 18 months now. even the guys who used to be pretty good suck now

Still, your point is still made though, bc through 3 is crazy tbh...especially for a guy w the rumors about him out there. I just find it hilarious though that everything ESPN touches has to be loaded with hyperbole and overselling the point. It was strong enough on its own.

[spoon]

Well that's the main deal it should be inside info. Could happen this w/e (weekend) or by next Wed.

Fisher is the top nominee or it might be someone like Billick it would be a HC he said.

I keep hearing Fisher is DYING for the SD job, but refuses to play under AJ Smith and could you blame him? I really like Jeff a ton, and he'd be at the top of my recycle list to be sure.

[cougarjake13]

Well that's the main deal it should be inside info. Could happen this w/e (weekend) or by next Wed.

Fisher is the top nominee or it might be someone like Billick it would be a HC he said.


There's nothing inside bout sparano
He was very publicly fired weeks ago

[cougarjake13]

I keep hearing Fisher is DYING for the SD job, but refuses to play under AJ Smith and could you blame him? I really like Jeff a ton, and he'd be at the top of my recycle list to be sure.


Fishers gonna lace em up?

Ladies and gentlemen Daniel Larusso .... Errrrr. Jeff fisher's gonna lace em up

[hanso]

I keep hearing Fisher is DYING for the SD job, but refuses to play under AJ Smith and could you blame him? I really like Jeff a ton, and he'd be at the top of my recycle list to be sure.

He is from there right? It could take a lot of cash to lure him away.

There's nothing inside bout sparano
He was very publicly fired weeks ago

Of course, he is saying when and maybe who. Said this enough times already.

[cougarjake13]

I call shenanigans

[hanso]

I call shenanigans

You never heard cagey old sports radio personalities drop truth bombs before? It wouldn't be the first time from this guy. He is cut from the same mold as Jim Mandich.

[cougarjake13]

No the shenanigans were on u

[sailor]

I call shenanigans

http://www.astro.ubc.ca/~jonben/images/blog/shenanigans.jpg

[hanso]

Spoon check this out.

Turner era coming to close as many predicted it would
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/dec/31/turner-era-coming-close-many-predicted-it-would/
He gone?!

also
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/Spanos-May-Soon-Set-Fire-to-Chargers-136482173.html

Owner is Spanos better hope he don't hire Sparano

[cougarjake13]

Spoon check this out.

Turner era coming to close as many predicted it would
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/dec/31/turner-era-coming-close-many-predicted-it-would/
He gone?!

also
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/Spanos-May-Soon-Set-Fire-to-Chargers-136482173.html

Owner is Spanos better hope he don't hire Sparano



that was just lame

[JimBeam]

i dont think he is gonna be that bad, but i dont think he is destined for fuckin greatness. I watched him alot at Stanford. He is above average to good at the QB position. he isnt a bum, but i wouldnt take this kid with a top 20 pick, nevermind the first one

The thing that kills me about the Luck lovers is that they point to the fact that he's doing it with lesser players than at some schools.

If I've heard them correctly all season I think that 3 of the guys on his OL are going to be 1st round picks.

He may not have the recivers they have at other schools but how many QBs have protection like that ?

Plus that " they don't have the best players " bullshit is saved for the service academies.

I also don't think the guy will be Leaf but have we really seen enough of him to think he'd be great ?

Who are his bigs wins against in his career ? A sanction ridden USC team and an inept Notre Dame team ?

Saying he's like Manning in that he can't beat his biggest/best rival is nonsensical because Manning beat almost everybody other than UF.

[JimBeam]

Come on Dolphins.

Put these fuckers away for good.

[JimBeam]

Some guy on Miami just got flagged for something that it seems Revis does every damn play.

[HBox]

That's as fitting an end as there could be for Mark Sanchez in NY.

[cougarjake13]

That's as fitting an end as there could be for Mark Sanchez in NY.



has to be theres no way they can continue this experiment


btw anyone remember what they gave up to move up and pick him ??

[Kevin]

Come on its the Sanchize! One mediocre college season merits trading up and picking him 5th. Because Superbowls are won on looks and marketability.

Another failed SB proclamation, FAT BOY.

[HBox]

has to be theres no way they can continue this experiment


btw anyone remember what they gave up to move up and pick him ??

Their first and second round picks plus Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam and Brett Ratliff.

The Browns traded the Jets first round pick to the Bucs who took Josh Freeman. The Browns took David Veikune with their second round pick.

Jets would probably rather have Freeman right now.

[JimBeam]

And the one announcer ( I think it's Dierdorf ) was somewhat proud of Sachez for making the tackle after his INT.

He damn well have better made the tackle. It was the least he could do.

[cougarjake13]

Their first and second round picks plus Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam and Brett Ratliff.

The Browns traded the Jets first round pick to the Bucs who took Josh Freeman. The Browns took David Veikune with their second round pick.

Jets would probably rather have Freeman right now.


magine freeman with holmes, burress, greene and keller ?? damn he'd be a lot better off as well

[cougarjake13]

holmes may have worn out his welcome in jet-land



thats y the steelers gave him up

[JimBeam]

Holmes had to serve a suspension a few years back no ?

If so what was it for ?

[cougarjake13]

Holmes had to serve a suspension a few years back no ?

If so what was it for ?



drugs i think

[Kevin]

He smashed a drink glass on a chicks face I think.

And the classy Jets took him.

[JimBeam]

Hey Rex you fat fuck, 8-8 is a long way from winning the Super Bowl.

So does this mean we can now stop having people say " The Jets are good and will be good because they went to 2 straight AFC championship games " ?

[HBox]

So Fox goes from the Saints game that meant nothing to the Vikings Bears game that means nothing and rather than going to GB-DET, which is actually entertaining and actually means a little bit, they stay with two shitty games all day and now I have to watch these 4 retarded jackasses on the post game show instead of an actual game.

Great.

[JimBeam]

In the Tenn/Houston game a receiver caught the ball and then seemingly ran out/got hit out of bounds yet the clock kept going.

Something about his forward progress not being stopped.

What's that about ?

[HBox]

Well at least they are actually updating us on the fun game going on that I can't watch because Fuck knows why.

[cougarjake13]

id love to see the packers-lions game


fuck you and the god damn vikings bears

[sailor]

id love to see the packers-lions game


fuck you and the god damn vikings bears

Heck of a d those epos have.

[sailor]

Goddamn succop.