2011-12 NFL Season

[KnoxHarrington]

Hate to say it, but I'm not attending the Monday night party tonight. I'm not ready for some football, especially if it's a Jaguars/Titans game that you just know will be a snoozer.

[weekapaugjz]

yeah, those teams are impossible to get rowdy about. plus there is playoff baseball on.

[Snoogans]

im rowdy. But its for DWTS

[Snacks]

im rowdy. But its for DWTS

i thought you were only watching it because of the situation? you are still going to watch now that he is out?

[Snoogans]

i thought you were only watching it because of the situation? you are still going to watch now that he is out?

i said a few times i only turned it on cause of him. the first time. but i realized its actually a pretty funny show with a lot of hot chicks on it. I actually like the show, so yes, ill continue to watch

[Snoogans]

kerry collins vs trent edwards in the 2nd half? I might be rowdy. This is going to be some epic shit.....literally

[KnoxHarrington]

This Yankees game looks like it'll be done around 11, so I'll have a little bit of time to be rowdy tonight.

[PapaBear]

This Yankees game looks like it'll be done around 11, so I'll have a little bit of time to be rowdy tonight.
Then you better not watch MNF. It will put you to sleep.

[Snacks]

what a boring game. jack delrio is a terrible coach. I cant believe he hasnt been fired, they could have done it last year, the year before that and again this season.

[PapaBear]

Tony Boselli was the best player to ever put on a Jags uniform? I've never even heard of him.

[Snacks]

Tony Boselli was the best player to ever put on a Jags uniform? I've never even heard of him.

are you kidding? he was a great tackle but he is not hte greatest player to put on their uniform. first he was always hurt, if he stayed healthy he might have been. that being said fred taylor, jimmy smith or Mark Brunell are the greatest players that team has ever had.

[Snoogans]

are you kidding? he was a great tackle but he is not hte greatest player to put on their uniform. first he was always hurt, if he stayed healthy he might have been. that being said fred taylor, jimmy smith or Mark Brunell are the greatest players that team has ever had.

keenan mccardell needs to be in that arguement

[Gutter]

what a boring game. jack delrio is a terrible coach. I cant believe he hasnt been fired, they could have done it last year, the year before that and again this season.

i can't believe he still has a job while Jon Gruden is doing monday night football....i hope he's at least getting offers. dude should be a coach in the NFL somewhere.

[hammersavage]

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[epo]

Roger Goodell is now fining players for hitting players hard.

Worst commissioner ever.

[KnoxHarrington]

Roger Goodell is now fining players for hitting players hard.

Worst commissioner ever.

Well, here's the thing: it's kind of pussy too. If you want to make players stop using their helmets as battering rams when they tackle, suspend their asses. Make them lose a game check. Don't talk about how you're going to be tough, then give them fines that they can pay with the change in their couches.

Shit or get off the pot, Goodell.

[TripleSkeet]

Well, here's the thing: it's kind of pussy too. If you want to make players stop using their helmets as battering rams when they tackle, suspend their asses. Make them lose a game check. Don't talk about how you're going to be tough, then give them fines that they can pay with the change in their couches.

Shit or get off the pot, Goodell.

How about they learn the difference between spearing with the helmet and just a bone crushing legit tackle. That dude from the Falcons just got robbed 50k for a perfect textbook tackle against Desean Jackson.....and this is coming from an Eagles fan. I fucking HATE when they try to pussy down a sport thats supposed to be violent. Have they learned nothing from hockeys demise?

[epo]

I actually have a theory that Goodell knows that the glory days of the NFL are nearly over so he's in shady business mode. Anything to maximize profits (18 games) and prolong image (lame suspensions/fines that solve nothing) but make the public temporarily feel good about the game.

Once a few players from the 80s/90s start really showing the effects of their concussions, you can shut this bitch down.

[TjM]

You mean for a guy with 9 catches 98 yards and a td? I say keep chirping. Sounds especially retarded when you're talking about playing the ravens who chirp nonstop.

I did like Bradys quote the next day. "They talk allot for beating us once in 9 years"

[TripleSkeet]

I did like Bradys quote the next day. "They talk allot for beating us once in 9 years"

I love Brady for that.

[foodcourtdruide]

How about they learn the difference between spearing with the helmet and just a bone crushing legit tackle. That dude from the Falcons just got robbed 50k for a perfect textbook tackle against Desean Jackson.....and this is coming from an Eagles fan. I fucking HATE when they try to pussy down a sport thats supposed to be violent. Have they learned nothing from hockeys demise?

I don't think it's pussying down the sport. There's a legitimate issue wtih concussions and serious injury in the NFL. The rules need to be adjusted. As upset as people like you are that wide receivers can't be legally murdered for catching a pass up the middle, do you realize how much heat the league will take when/if someone actually is killed? Also, the league needs to protect their star players. It's not like the risk of injury is minimal.

[TjM]

I cribbed this from another board and I agree

10 years ago there weren't as many hits like this. Because you could actually defend against the pass without ticky-tack pass interference calls giving up dozens of yards.

Now that you can't defend against the pass, guys are trying to kill people as the ball arrives to knock it out. Because it is the only option they have.

The NFL doesn't want to admit to it, but it's their quest for more offense led by the likes of Polian that is the cause of these hits.

It has nothing to do with "bad tackling fundamentals" or any of the other ************ the media and league is trying to sell. These guys are the best in the world at their sport, they know how to @!&%ing tackle. They just feel knocking the **** out of a guy and hopefully freeing the ball will lead to more wins than wrapping up receivers and giving up a steady progress down the field.

[Serpico1103]

How about they learn the difference between spearing with the helmet and just a bone crushing legit tackle. That dude from the Falcons just got robbed 50k for a perfect textbook tackle against Desean Jackson.....and this is coming from an Eagles fan. I fucking HATE when they try to pussy down a sport thats supposed to be violent. Have they learned nothing from hockeys demise?

It looks to me like Dunta (Atlants player) went helmet first, giving himself a concussion as well. The rule needs to specify exactly what will be tolerated. Right now, it seems vague.

[Snoogans]

It looks to me like Dunta (Atlants player) went helmet first, giving himself a concussion as well. The rule needs to specify exactly what will be tolerated. Right now, it seems vague.

he went shoulder first, laid his shoulder into jacksons chest, and the sides of their helmets hit each other on the follow through. He didnt lead with his head, he led with his shoulder, the way you are supposed to. You cant stop physics

[Serpico1103]

he went shoulder first, laid his shoulder into jacksons chest, and the sides of their helmets hit each other on the follow through. He didnt lead with his head, he led with his shoulder, the way you are supposed to. You cant stop physics

I watched the video, it looks to me that he hit him in the upper chest with his helmet.

At 36 seconds in Dunta's helmet is in Jackson's shoulder pads/chest. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYL5ltBZZlg)

[Snoogans]

I watched the video, it looks to me that he hit him in the upper chest with his helmet.

At 36 seconds in Dunta's helmet is in Jackson's shoulder pads/chest. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYL5ltBZZlg)

i froze it. you are blind. His shoulder is in his chest and his helmet (the side of it) is against DeSeans facemask. thats where the concussions came from. Watch both angles, even moose says its shoulder first. You just arent seeing it.

[Serpico1103]

i froze it. you are blind. His shoulder is in his chest and his helmet (the side of it) is against DeSeans facemask. thats where the concussions came from. Watch both angles, even moose says its shoulder first. You just arent seeing it.

Forgive me my blindness. It looks to me like it is helmet first, at the very least simultaneous with the shoulder. From the offense point of view you don't see the helmet contact, from the defensive side, it looks like helmet first. Also, Dunta's head was down, not proper technique and if the shoulder did lead, I don't think Dunta would have also gotten a concussion.

Watching it repeatedly, his helmet hits his right shoulder, at 27 seconds, his head is leading, you can see Jackson's right shoulder twist before the rest of his body. Watch how his body twists after the hit, Jackson, twists to the right, because that is where the brunt of the force is, right shoulder, upper chest, bottom of his helmet, all hit by Dunta's helmet first.

[foodcourtdruide]

i froze it. you are blind. His shoulder is in his chest and his helmet (the side of it) is against DeSeans facemask. thats where the concussions came from. Watch both angles, even moose says its shoulder first. You just arent seeing it.

It's questionable. He seems to put his head down, but he does look like he's leading with his shoulder.

I think it was too close to be an illegal hit, but I agree with everything Moose said, that situation has to stop. I feel like every week there are players kneeling on the field praying while guys lay motionless

[sailor]

he tucked his head and attempted to spear him. if he did happen to hit with his shoulder first, it was an accident.

[foodcourtdruide]

he tucked his head and attempted to spear him. if he did happen to hit with his shoulder first, it was an accident.

He definitely tucks his head, but he's going shoulder first. I think you can make the argument that he's attempting to spear, or was going for a legit hit and mismeasured Jackson.

[Snacks]

it was a great hit. He lead with his shoulder and knocked himself and jackson out. that is football, he wasnt going to have time to readjust, plant his legs and wrap his arms around him. if you dont want someone to get hit hard dont throw over the middle like that. Jackson is a small player and this is one of the many reason small receivers dont go over the middle or dont even make it to the nfl.

[foodcourtdruide]

it was a great hit. He lead with his shoulder and knocked himself and jackson out. that is football, he wasnt going to have time to readjust, plant his legs and wrap his arms around him. if you dont want someone to get hit hard dont throw over the middle like that. Jackson is a small player and this is one of the many reason small receivers dont go over the middle or dont even make it to the nfl.

This is a good point. Maybe the person that should get fined is Kolb :P

[Snacks]

This is a good point. Maybe the person that should get fined is Kolb :P

actually I know youre joking but some former players on espn said something like that. they said its just as much the qbs fault as it is the defenders because the qb put the ball in a place that makes is more dangerous for the wr. i think thats why is so difficult to suspend and fine because its hard to know the intent of the hit. sometimes players get hit the wrong way and most of the time its not the intent to hit them illegally.

[foodcourtdruide]

actually I know youre joking but some former players on espn said something like that. they said its just as much the qbs fault as it is the defenders because the qb put the ball in a place that makes is more dangerous for the wr. i think thats why is so difficult to suspend and fine because its hard to know the intent of the hit. sometimes players get hit the wrong way and most of the time its not the intent to hit them illegally.

To a degree, I agree with you. But the idea that the price of going up the middle during a football game could be a concussion or worse seems ludacris and quite honestly, barbaric.

I see why this freaks out Goodell. If a player gets killed from one of these hits will drastically change this game, and completely define his tenure as commissioner.

[hanso]

You can lead with shoulder and wrap up at speed. I just remembered doing so long ago as a kid. It was a sandlot tackle pick up game on clay. The kid I tackled got knocked out. I thought I killed him. I felt bad, but better when he came too a little while later and was ok.

Maybe it can be done with pads on. The aim is lower around the chest. And by wrapping the arms. It is more of a driving deal. Then a hit or a blow.

[Snoogans]

You can lead with shoulder and wrap up at speed. I just remembered doing so long ago as a kid. It was a sandlot tackle pick up game on clay. The kid I tackled got knocked out. I thought I killed him. I felt bad, but better when he came too a little while later and was ok.

Maybe it can be done with pads on. The aim is lower around the chest. And by wrapping the arms. It is more of a driving deal. Then a hit or a blow.

the thing with pads is, even if you turn your head away and hit shoulder, there is gonna be some foward force and your head is still gonna snap forward and make contact. Even if you have your head up, if a guy drops down, you are gonna cream his head. there is nothing you can do about that.

[underdog]

I thought you'd at least come back with something like Matt Cassell is better than Peyton Manning and Dan Marino since he has 2 more rings than the 2 of them combined.

I guess in your logic he's as good as Manning, Marino and Elway since he has as many rings as the 3 combined.


I know Welker's your little engine that could and gives you motivation to get up everday but I'll get back to him in a few weeks when you see him w/ 4 receptions for 40 yards a game since the league isn't actually afraid of Branch as they might've been of Moss.

Wait, are you actually saying that having a receiver like Moss on your team gives other WRs better opportunities? That's CRAZY! Easy there with your theories, Newton.

And no one would ever say Matt Cassell is better than anyone because Matt Cassell sucks.

[epo]

It looks to me like Dunta (Atlants player) went helmet first, giving himself a concussion as well. The rule needs to specify exactly what will be tolerated. Right now, it seems vague.

The NFL is littered with vague rules.

[foodcourtdruide]

The NFL is littered with vague rules.

That are not always enforced, but could drastically change the course of a game (holding).

[Ogre]

That are not always enforced, but could drastically change the course of a game (holding).

No kidding, if they ever eally enforced holding to the letter of the rule, two things would happen:

1) a sharp increase in 3 and outs

and

B) QB sacks increasing because of the third and longs and OLinemen keeping thier hands inside the shoulder block of the jersey.

Just ask these guys about holding penalties changing a game.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/006/400/103686678_crop_358x243.jpg?1284397707

[disneyspy]

No kidding, if they ever eally enforced holding to the letter of the rule, two things would happen:

1) a sharp increase in 3 and outs

and

B) QB sacks increasing because of the third and longs and OLinemen keeping thier hands inside the shoulder block of the jersey.

Just ask these guys about holding penalties changing a game.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/006/400/103686678_crop_358x243.jpg?1284397707

it seems to me that the NFL has told the refs to over penalize the cowboys because they dont want the boys playin in a superbowl in texas stadium,the amount of flags against the cowboys this year is way unwarranted and is driving me away from being a fan of the game

[TripleSkeet]

After reading these posts I can tell most of you fucking guys have never played a down of football in your life. He tucked his head? His helmet hit the guys shoulder first? You do realize that even when you lead with your shoulder your helmet is going to hit the guy first right??? And that you should tuck your head any time you try a shoulder tackle, to protect your neck. You guys are aware of this correct??? His helmet hit the guys SHOULDER first, then his should came in to Jacksons chest and jaw.

It was a TEXTBOOK shoulder tackle, and it was one coming so fast that it was gonna do some damage. If the players dont want to risk concussions and what not then DONT PLAY THE FUCKING GAME. Football is a full contact sport. Every play can result in a broken neck, a knockout, or worse. Thats why its a BILLION dollar business. People dont wanna see 2 hand fucking touch football.

You know what HAS to be done? Nothing. Leave the fucking sport alone. If the athletes dont wanna risk getting hurt then, after college they can go get a real job.

[foodcourtdruide]

After reading these posts I can tell most of you fucking guys have never played a down of football in your life. He tucked his head? His helmet hit the guys shoulder first? You do realize that even when you lead with your shoulder your helmet is going to hit the guy first right??? And that you should tuck your head any time you try a shoulder tackle, to protect your neck. You guys are aware of this correct??? His helmet hit the guys SHOULDER first, then his should came in to Jacksons chest and jaw.

It was a TEXTBOOK shoulder tackle, and it was one coming so fast that it was gonna do some damage. If the players dont want to risk concussions and what not then DONT PLAY THE FUCKING GAME. Football is a full contact sport. Every play can result in a broken neck, a knockout, or worse. Thats why its a BILLION dollar business. People dont wanna see 2 hand fucking touch football.

You know what HAS to be done? Nothing. Leave the fucking sport alone. If the athletes dont wanna risk getting hurt then, after college they can go get a real job.

Why are you so angry? Oh yeah...

[disneyspy]

im watching the skins/bears and steelers/fins in both games the reciever fumbled the opening kickoff,wierd

[KnoxHarrington]

Got a little Red Zone Channel action going here.

This is perfect for these days in which no game, especially not the ones my local affiliate is obligated to carry, is really grabbing me.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The reason Gooddell freaked out about hits last weekend because two things happened:

1) Eric LeGrand's injury

2) Follett of the Lions being backboarded off in the same stadium almost exactly a day later.

He's freaked because of the PR shitstorm that could happen from a permanently paralyzing incident. I'm not sure who the last player in the NFL that it happened to (the only one I could think of is Mike Utley... surely someone else has been permanently injured since then?)

He absolutely does not want a 2010 version of the Tatum-Stingley incident.

[KnoxHarrington]

The reason Gooddell freaked out about hits last weekend because two things happened:

1) Eric LeGrand's injury

2) Follett of the Lions being backboarded off in the same stadium almost exactly a day later.

He's freaked because of the PR shitstorm that could happen from a permanently paralyzing incident. I'm not sure who the last player in the NFL that it happened to (the only one I could think of is Mike Utley... surely someone else has been permanently injured since then?)

He absolutely does not want a 2010 version of the Tatum-Stingley incident.

I think the NFL's nightmare is the thought of one of its big stars developing dementia at an early age due to head injuries/concussions.

It's more of a long term problem, really: I think it's already starting to filter down to youth sports, where parents are thinking "Do I want my kid to play a sport that might leave him a drooling vegetable by the time he's 50?"

On the positive side, maybe it'll lead to us actually having a chance to win a World Cup.

[foodcourtdruide]

I think the NFL's nightmare is the thought of one of its big stars developing dementia at an early age due to head injuries/concussions.

It's more of a long term problem, really: I think it's already starting to filter down to youth sports, where parents are thinking "Do I want my kid to play a sport that might leave him a drooling vegetable by the time he's 50?"

On the positive side, maybe it'll lead to us actually having a chance to win a World Cup.

I think it's more the fear of a death on the field, which let's face it.. seems plausible. TripleSkeet said: "People dont wanna see 2 hand fucking touch football."

However, more than that, people don't want a player to die mid-game. That would have a HUGE negative impact on the sport.

Do we all want the rules to be as little part of the game as possible? Of course, however, at the same time, the argument "they get paid a lot of money, so if they end up with concussions or worse is their problem" is just ridiculous and dated.

[foodcourtdruide]

No kidding, if they ever eally enforced holding to the letter of the rule, two things would happen:

1) a sharp increase in 3 and outs

and

B) QB sacks increasing because of the third and longs and OLinemen keeping thier hands inside the shoulder block of the jersey.

Just ask these guys about holding penalties changing a game.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/006/400/103686678_crop_358x243.jpg?1284397707

Right, and I feel like they randomly enforce offensive and defensive pass interference. I like the idea that the defender must play the ball, but at the same time, I feel like that rule isn't always interpreted the same. At what point can a defender take his eye off the ball and concentrate on the receiver?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Therapist just threw a bomb to Wallace, 17-9 Pittsburgh. I really don't like Ben but I need the Steelers to win.

[TripleSkeet]

I think it's more the fear of a death on the field, which let's face it.. seems plausible. TripleSkeet said: "People dont wanna see 2 hand fucking touch football."

However, more than that, people don't want a player to die mid-game. That would have a HUGE negative impact on the sport.
.

I cant lie, if I had the chouice between keeping football exactly the way it is, with a risk of someone dying on the field, or having them change the rules to a point where it was basically a touch league, Id take the risk of death.

Most NFL players interviewed felt this rule decree was ridiculous and bad for the game, as they should.

Boxing had concerns in the 90s about their fighters getting punchy and tightened the rules where fights stop at the first signs of wooziness or bleeding, thats why they are now a dying sport and UFC is king of the PPV. Hockey tried taking the violence from their sport and now they cant even get on a real tv channel.

Why cant we have a sport that right off the bat says "Look, here are the risks. Playing this could get you killed, it could turn you into a vegetable, or you could get concussions so bad you cant even turn on the lights. Play at your own risk." And then let the players that want to risk it play and the ones that dont can go do something else. Why cant we just have that? Why do we have such a compulsion to force safety onto people these days? I think a grown adult should be able to make their own decisions on weather they want to risk their health or not.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why cant we have a sport that right off the bat says "Look, here are the risks. Playing this could get you killed, it could turn you into a vegetable, or you could get concussions so bad you cant even turn on the lights. Play at your own risk." And then let the players that want to risk it play and the ones that dont can go do something else. Why cant we just have that? Why do we have such a compulsion to force safety onto people these days? I think a grown adult should be able to make their own decisions on weather they want to risk their health or not.

The best example of this right now is Pat White.

In his limited playing time last year, he got laid out and was backboarded off the field. Concussion, knock out.

After training camp, MIA gave him an ultimatum - switch to WR or we'll cut you. White didn't want to go over the middle and risk another concussion, so he put some feelers out, found out there was MLB interest, so he allowed them to cut him and he went to play baseball.

[Snacks]

I think it's more the fear of a death on the field, which let's face it.. seems plausible. TripleSkeet said: "People dont wanna see 2 hand fucking touch football."

However, more than that, people don't want a player to die mid-game. That would have a HUGE negative impact on the sport.

Do we all want the rules to be as little part of the game as possible? Of course, however, at the same time, the argument "they get paid a lot of money, so if they end up with concussions or worse is their problem" is just ridiculous and dated.

hasnt hurt nascar, indy racing or even boxing. im not saying someone cant die playing football but after 100 years and no one has died on the field from contact? Lets be honest there hasnt even been that many broken neck, back injuries. you would think with how much football has been played and how hard they have hit and how often they hit there would be more. My point is changing it may create more injuries then it prevents. play the game and dont worry about the rest.

I would bet more spinal injuries happen from kick off plays over all other plays combined. so changing the way defenses go after players isnt going to change much except create more scoring, fear of penalties and fines.

[Snacks]

Therapist just threw a bomb to Wallace, 17-9 Pittsburgh. I really don't like Ben but I need the Steelers to win.

you are such a fucking asshole. the guy never raped anyone. you are the reason this country has turned into tmz and everyone is a wash women because you dont allow the legal system to work and you find people guilty even though there has never been even 1 arrest or evidence to support that.

[Snacks]

The best example of this right now is Pat White.

In his limited playing time last year, he got laid out and was backboarded off the field. Concussion, knock out.

After training camp, MIA gave him an ultimatum - switch to WR or we'll cut you. White didn't want to go over the middle and risk another concussion, so he put some feelers out, found out there was MLB interest, so he allowed them to cut him and he went to play baseball.

how do you know any of that. he wanted to be a qb and miami realized it was a mistake drafting him as one. miami knew he wouldnt make their team as a wr either. you know nothing.

[Tenbatsuzen]

you are such a fucking asshole. the guy never raped anyone. you are the reason this country has turned into tmz and everyone is a wash women because you dont allow the legal system to work and you find people guilty even though there has never been even 1 arrest or evidence to support that.

OJ was never convicted of murder.

He is guilty of shady behavior. I defend Tiger Woods; I don't defend taking advantage of drunk girls.

Having sex with a drunk girl, especially when she doesn't know you that well, is classified as rape because she's not giving full consent.

I think the chick from Reno is nuts and was looking for money; the Georgia situation is totally different.

[Tenbatsuzen]

how do you know any of that. he wanted to be a qb and miami realized it was a mistake drafting him as one. miami knew he wouldnt make their team as a wr either. you know nothing.

So Miami cuts their third string QB after one year with almost no real playing time? And a majority of the scouts said that if White wants to be in the NFL, he has to convert to WR?

White didn't want to be a WR, that's why nobody picked him up off waivers - not even for a practice team - after MIA cut him.

[TripleSkeet]

Anyone see that pass interference call against KC just now? THATS why defenseive players time their hits to try to kill the receivers. Because in this league right now a wide receiver can run down the sideline with a defender, grab the defenders jersey, and throw him to the ground in front of the referee and the ref will throw a flag for pass interference on the defender giving the offense 1st and Goal from the 1.

[Snacks]

OJ was never convicted of murder.

He is guilty of shady behavior. I defend Tiger Woods; I don't defend taking advantage of drunk girls.

Having sex with a drunk girl, especially when she doesn't know you that well, is classified as rape because she's not giving full consent.

I think the chick from Reno is nuts and was looking for money; the Georgia situation is totally different.

ok well he didnt fuck the drunk girl if you are going by what happened. not once was it stated that he fucked her. so right off the bar no rape. stop with your convicted by your morals.

[Snacks]

So Miami cuts their third string QB after one year with almost no real playing time? And a majority of the scouts said that if White wants to be in the NFL, he has to convert to WR?

White didn't want to be a WR, that's why nobody picked him up off waivers - not even for a practice team - after MIA cut him.

miami cut their 4th string qb. they love chad penn and love tyler thigpen they think he could have been the future as well as henne. I dont care what scouts said the phins drafted him as a qb/ wildcat threat. nothing more. one of the many mistakes by lord parcells. you cant fault him for wanting to be a qb in the nfl when that is all he knew. you also cant say he was affraid to get hit. the man got hit constantly in college so to say he was affraid is ridiculous. he just wasnt a pro qb, got cut.

[Tenbatsuzen]

ok well he didnt fuck the drunk girl if you are going by what happened. not once was it stated that he fucked her. so right off the bar no rape. stop with your convicted by your morals.

Any unwanted sexual contact without full consent qualifies as sexual assault. If you want to use the term rape as strictly penis-vaginal insertion, fine, but sexual assault is a lot more broad in definition.

[Tenbatsuzen]

miami cut their 4th string qb. they love chad penn and love tyler thigpen they think he could have been the future as well as henne. I dont care what scouts said the phins drafted him as a qb/ wildcat threat. nothing more. one of the many mistakes by lord parcells. you cant fault him for wanting to be a qb in the nfl when that is all he knew. you also cant say he was affraid to get hit. the man got hit constantly in college so to say he was affraid is ridiculous. he just wasnt a pro qb, got cut.

1) When you get hit so hard you get KNOCKED OUT (and I can assure you as someone who watched every single one of Pat's games in college, he never got hit that hard) it can change your mindset about getting hurt.

2) If he wasn't afraid of getting hit, why didn't he change to WR if he wanted to stay in the NFL? I'm sure other teams told both his agent and him that the only way they'd pick him up is as a WR or another converted position. Plus it's a lot easier to pick up a job in the NFL as a WR or a DB than it would be a QB. Especially when Pat was fast, tall, and had good hands. May not be a pro QB, but definitely convertible into an NFL player.

He could have gone to the CFL, he could have gone to the UFL. He decided to play a non-contact sport that he hasn't played since high school.

[spoon]

Therapist just threw a bomb to Wallace, 17-9 Pittsburgh. I really don't like Ben but I need the Steelers to win.

You NEVER cease to show how fucking gay you are.

Nice to see you didn't double dip with those OH SO WITTY nicknames you love to use all over the board. Complete fucking fail.

On another note, what the hell happened to Brees? Clev really taking it to Drew right now.

[Snacks]

1) When you get hit so hard you get KNOCKED OUT (and I can assure you as someone who watched every single one of Pat's games in college, he never got hit that hard) it can change your mindset about getting hurt.

2) If he wasn't afraid of getting hit, why didn't he change to WR if he wanted to stay in the NFL? I'm sure other teams told both his agent and him that the only way they'd pick him up is as a WR or another converted position. Plus it's a lot easier to pick up a job in the NFL as a WR or a DB than it would be a QB. Especially when Pat was fast, tall, and had good hands. May not be a pro QB, but definitely convertible into an NFL player.

He could have gone to the CFL, he could have gone to the UFL. He decided to play a non-contact sport that he hasn't played since high school.

because he will not make money in the nfl. remember he is an athlete who was also drafted in mlb. why would you switch positions mid career when you have other options. who knew if he would be successful as a wr. why take that chance and waste a few more years making minimum nfl money when you can make a go at another sport.

stop making stuff up. you dont know neither do i but you are making him out to be some pussy because he got hit once and wouldnt change positions which most wouldnt.

[Tenbatsuzen]

because he will not make money in the nfl. remember he is an athlete who was also drafted in mlb. why would you switch positions mid career when you have other options. who knew if he would be successful as a wr. why take that chance and waste a few more years making minimum nfl money when you can make a go at another sport.

stop making stuff up. you dont know neither do i but you are making him out to be some pussy because he got hit once and wouldnt change positions which most wouldnt.

Are you seriously implying that he'd make more money as a Double-A prospect in KC's system with no guaranteed contract than he would in the NFL?

The money in baseball is once you get called up.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Insulin boy isn't winning on his own and started turning it around the last few weeks of 09 before Martz.

...?

[Tenbatsuzen]

stop making stuff up. you dont know neither do i but you are making him out to be some pussy because he got hit once and wouldnt change positions which most wouldnt.

And one more thing - Pat was one of my favorite college players. I am in no way shape or form painting him as a pussy. Rather, what I think he did was smart. He got 2million plus from the Dolphins, so he's basically set for life, and now he can go do something and not risk debilitating injury.

[spoon]

I cant lie, if I had the chouice between keeping football exactly the way it is, with a risk of someone dying on the field, or having them change the rules to a point where it was basically a touch league, Id take the risk of death.

Most NFL players interviewed felt this rule decree was ridiculous and bad for the game, as they should.

Boxing had concerns in the 90s about their fighters getting punchy and tightened the rules where fights stop at the first signs of wooziness or bleeding, thats why they are now a dying sport and UFC is king of the PPV. Hockey tried taking the violence from their sport and now they cant even get on a real tv channel.

Why cant we have a sport that right off the bat says "Look, here are the risks. Playing this could get you killed, it could turn you into a vegetable, or you could get concussions so bad you cant even turn on the lights. Play at your own risk." And then let the players that want to risk it play and the ones that dont can go do something else. Why cant we just have that? Why do we have such a compulsion to force safety onto people these days? I think a grown adult should be able to make their own decisions on weather they want to risk their health or not.

I agree. Why not just make Nascar drive 55 now while we're at it? Most of the hits that were fined were and should be part of the game. Where is this line going to be drawn? Will stiff arms draw a penalty soon? Hands to the face of the offense (qb or lineman are not allowed)?


On another note, HA CLASSIC CUTLER!

[spoon]

Any unwanted sexual contact without full consent qualifies as sexual assault. If you want to use the term rape as strictly penis-vaginal insertion, fine, but sexual assault is a lot more broad in definition.

you said rape, nice subtle change

[spoon]

1) When you get hit so hard you get KNOCKED OUT (and I can assure you as someone who watched every single one of Pat's games in college, he never got hit that hard) it can change your mindset about getting hurt.

2) If he wasn't afraid of getting hit, why didn't he change to WR if he wanted to stay in the NFL? I'm sure other teams told both his agent and him that the only way they'd pick him up is as a WR or another converted position. Plus it's a lot easier to pick up a job in the NFL as a WR or a DB than it would be a QB. Especially when Pat was fast, tall, and had good hands. May not be a pro QB, but definitely convertible into an NFL player.

He could have gone to the CFL, he could have gone to the UFL. He decided to play a non-contact sport that he hasn't played since high school.

You're fucking hilarious. The guy who follows the team says you're wrong on your HUGE assumption from afar and you call HIM OUT for not watching every game of White's career?! Haahahahahah! You're idiocy knows no bounds!

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/04/dolphins-cut-pat-white/

White was a great fit for the spread offense at West Virginia, but he never quite fit in Miami. There was talk that the team wanted him to move to wide receiver, and he indicated that he'd rather play baseball than play wide receiver.

[spoon]

Are you seriously implying that he'd make more money as a Double-A prospect in KC's system with no guaranteed contract than he would in the NFL?

The money in baseball is once you get called up.

Yah, you know that guaranteed money he was able to walk away with right? 2.4 million and now he has a shot to play another sport he loves and who knows what his signing bonus was. He has a pretty darn good cv in the sport as well.

[spoon]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/04/dolphins-cut-pat-white/

White was a great fit for the spread offense at West Virginia, but he never quite fit in Miami. There was talk that the team wanted him to move to wide receiver, and he indicated that he'd rather play baseball than play wide receiver.

Yep, and?

You claim to KNOW it was bc of the one concussion. We claim it's not fucking known in any way outside of him and it very well could simply be his CHOICE now to go to another sport he loves since he won't be a qb anytime soon.

[spoon]

...?

again, hilarious

one case where I HATE a guy versus you doing it for every single figure in sports in what amounts to an yet another failed attempt to be witty by an ass

no dif there at all

now back to my game to watch pot helmet and his attempt to run over head and shoulders

[TheGameHHH]

this bears/redskins game is the epitome of two quarterbacks doing everything in their power to lose the game for their team. its fucking awful and boring

[TheGameHHH]

Cutler just completed his 4th pass to DeAngelo Hall, and all were right on point to Hall. Excellent job from Cutler. Whoever wins, and I hope it's a tie because neither of them deserve it, wins in spite of themselves.

[spoon]

Cutler just completed his 4th pass to DeAngelo Hall, and all were right on point to Hall. Excellent job from Cutler. Whoever wins, and I hope it's a tie because neither of them deserve it, wins in spite of themselves.

lay off man, one of those was a touchdown pass!

[spoon]

What in HELL is going on in Denver!?

Wow!

[TripleSkeet]

What in HELL is going on in Denver!?

Wow!

I just saw that. I thought there was something wrong with CBS Sportsline.

[spoon]

31 points in just over a quarter on the road in denver for the raiders?

wtf?!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Are the chargers retarded? Do they understand the game they are playing?

[disneyspy]

31 points in just over a quarter on the road in denver for the raiders?

wtf?!

i picked a bad day to sit mcfadden,fuckers s'posed to be only 75%

[spoon]

In other news, SD playing terrible football again. Not crisp, not smart all tied to not coached well. Can they just fire him please? I can't take much more of this. It's tough to watch this garbage.

D just saved them again. Just let the DC take over here please. I'll take any change at this point. They simply play like idiots out there.

[spoon]

Are the chargers retarded? Do they understand the game they are playing?

yes and no

[spoon]

38-0 Oakland :wacko:

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just saw that. I thought there was something wrong with CBS Sportsline.

No, just something wrong with Denver. Three turnovers (two fumbles, one pick six) and Orton has a QB rating of 3.3. Three point three.

[spoon]

seriously, fire NORV during the half please

[TheGameHHH]

fuckin horrible first half from the patriots

[spoon]

fuckin horrible first half from the patriots

they should be up at least 20

[Tenbatsuzen]

Schefter just tweeted that Reid said Vick is starting 11/7 in Indy.

[spoon]

what is he eating RIGHT NOW and is that straight from Delaware or the fact Reid said it only 50 times already

[spoon]

Logic would state it's time to fucking move on from Turner now right?! Please tell me I'm right and he'll be gone soon. 2-5 with losses to Oakland, St. Louis and Seattle should bury just about anyone. Come on AJ you fucking idiot...oh wait, can his ass too.

[epo]

Watching these Chargers is hurtful to my soul. I can't imagine Spoon's pain.

[spoon]

Watching these Chargers is hurtful to my soul. I can't imagine Spoon's pain.

I'd take Rich Kotite at this point. I'm kind of numb to it at this point as Turner has a way of doing that to a team and it's fans. Perhaps it's really not his fault! ahahahahahahaahahahahahhhahahaah! :lol:

Now I'm just going mad.

[epo]

It's weird because the Chargers should be good on paper. And by the numbers they should be good. But nothing makes sense when you watch them.

[TripleSkeet]

i picked a bad day to sit mcfadden,fuckers s'posed to be only 75%

Me too. Benched him and Colston for Maclin and Chris Ivory. Goodbye sure win.

[disneyspy]

Me too. Benched him and Colston for Maclin and Chris Ivory. Goodbye sure win.

and just like that he has another long run for his 4th TD,MOTHER FUCK!!

[spoon]

It's weird because the Chargers should be good on paper. And by the numbers they should be good. But nothing makes sense when you watch them.

It's pretty simple, this.

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/norv-turner.jpg

[epo]

I've really disliked Mike McCarthy's play calling this year, but watching Turner is making me question that.

[spoon]

that's a good recovery

however sd will eventually lose by one score as they always do so they'll just claim some "bad breaks" here and there made the difference

:wallbash:

[spoon]

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MEANWHILE.....

Oakland almost up to 60 pts.

[spoon]

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back in sd

big 4th down about to come

[epo]

Nice stand.

[spoon]

wtf is bill thinking!?

I'm sorry, what happened to coaching in the NFL!?

[disneyspy]

will he never learn? PUNT!

[spoon]

DO NOT rely on Kris Brown here to tie it! GET IN THE END ZONE!

[spoon]

oh no

[epo]

Why did they take those longer shots on 1st and 2nd downs? They had plenty of time.

[spoon]

Why did they take those longer shots on 1st and 2nd downs? They had plenty of time.

NORV!

[spoon]

ahahahaahahahaha!

this is so painful

[epo]

False start?

[spoon]

you KNEW that was going to happen

[epo]

If I was a Chargers fan, I would hope that somebody burns down Norv's house.

[spoon]

SD has literally handed 5 teams victories this year

west coast santa

[TripleSkeet]

Wow.

[spoon]

If I was a Chargers fan, I would hope that somebody burns down Norv's house.

I'm pretty sure there are no Charger fans on this board. No need to worry about that. If he seriously isn't fired today, I'll be amazed. Then again, how did he first get another HC job and survive that Jet loss/disaster last year? He has pictures of AJ Smith doing some very BAD things.

[KnoxHarrington]

If I was a Chargers fan, I would hope that somebody burns down Norv's house.

Yeah, this isn't the usual "slow start" that they'll just bounce back from. They're done.

And what's up with the Broncos getting that sort of assbeating from the Raiders?

That division is garbage.

[spoon]

denver can't do a thing unless it's a dump pass to Moreno the whole game

what is going on with Oakland?

[epo]

The Raiders are a great team. Get over it.

[sailor]

ha, fuck the broncos. can't even punch in the easy, meaningless score.

[KnoxHarrington]

The Raiders are a great team. Get over it.

I think that getting rid of Russell has really lifted a great weight off their shoulders. His fat ass, to be specific.

I wonder if Al has finally handed over control to his family, like Big Stein did a few years ago, even though he was still nominally the owner of the team.

[epo]

I think that getting rid of Russell has really lifted a great weight off their shoulders. His fat ass, to be specific.

I wonder if Al has finally handed over control to his family, like Big Stein did a few years ago, even though he was still nominally the owner of the team.

Its not like Al legally owns the team anyway.

[TripleSkeet]

I think that getting rid of Russell has really lifted a great weight off their shoulders. His fat ass, to be specific.

I wonder if Al has finally handed over control to his family, like Big Stein did a few years ago, even though he was still nominally the owner of the team.

That was the first thing they needed to do.

[epo]

Now I must watch Grandma Favre lose.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Peter King just had the most ridiculous standup on Football Night.

He said the following:

1) Favre admitted to texting Sterger but not sending pics.

2) Sterger's laywer has assembled a team of former FBI analysts to investigate the pictures.

3) They have a "person of interest" who gave Favre Sterger's phone number back in 2008.

Since when has this gone from a civil sexual harrassment suit to a case of the worst crime imaginable? Sterger sitting on this for two years and then busting it out now starts to make it look more and more like a money grab. Sorry Skeet, you might have been right about this.

[epo]

I don't really get the mentality that makes Sterger the villain.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't really get the mentality that makes Sterger the villain.

I'm not saying it is. I'm just questioning why she sat on it for two years.

[epo]

I'm not saying it is. I'm just questioning why she sat on it for two years.

Fear, career, scheming? But seriously who cares?

If this is a case of sexual harassment, then she's a victim and she deserves whatever she can get.

[spoon]

Peter King just had the most ridiculous standup on Football Night.

He said the following:

1) Favre admitted to texting Sterger but not sending pics.

2) Sterger's laywer has assembled a team of former FBI analysts to investigate the pictures.

3) They have a "person of interest" who gave Favre Sterger's phone number back in 2008.

Since when has this gone from a civil sexual harrassment suit to a case of the worst crime imaginable? Sterger sitting on this for two years and then busting it out now starts to make it look more and more like a money grab. Sorry Skeet, you might have been right about this.

You figured that out all by your lonesome!? HA! Finally?!

Or was it an article on deadspin linking to the fact she's willing to take money to hush up? Or the fact she was a whore following FSU and parlayed that into a job with multiple organizations with zero cred or ability. Possibly her spread in Playboy showed how saintly her endeavors have been in the past, as now she's trying to cash in with Favre and the Jets alike. Don't you worry, Tenbats figured it all out now. All is right with the world now bc Tenbats is on the CASE!

[spoon]

I don't really get the mentality that makes Sterger the villain.

not a villain, a whore who knew exactly what she was doing and involved in

now things are slow, time to cash in

favre is a complete idiot, that much we know and didn't need her help with

[Tenbatsuzen]

Fear, career, scheming? But seriously who cares?

If this is a case of sexual harassment, then she's a victim and she deserves whatever she can get.

Anything more than 25,000 settlement is a cash grab. She didn't lose her job because of it, she sat on it for two years, and she's sold herself as a sex symbol.

Yes, Favre did a dickish thing, but it wasn't a constant campaign of what she did. In her own words, she was showing it off to friends to prove what a creep Favre was. Obviously not horribly scarred by it.

[Snacks]

Peter King just had the most ridiculous standup on Football Night.

He said the following:

1) Favre admitted to texting Sterger but not sending pics.

2) Sterger's laywer has assembled a team of former FBI analysts to investigate the pictures.

3) They have a "person of interest" who gave Favre Sterger's phone number back in 2008.

Since when has this gone from a civil sexual harrassment suit to a case of the worst crime imaginable? Sterger sitting on this for two years and then busting it out now starts to make it look more and more like a money grab. Sorry Skeet, you might have been right about this.

its always a money grab and our society has made it so easy to lie and say you were assaulted. this is legal extortion, brett should tell her go fuck yourself nothing can happen to him except suspension. she already leaked shit so what does he have to lose by allowing her to speak? she couldnt do anything more to hurt him so he shouldnt do anything.

As for todays situations and women. Even if everything you do with a women nowadays is consenting you have to worry about her playing the victim years later when she can grab money or to get back at a man who broke their hearts. This is a scary time for men because people like tenbats love to make all men out to be pervs and assholes for sex and then make the women out to be victims when lets be honest most if not all are not.

Flirting can now be considered sexual harassment because me made everything a man does criminal. If a women sent brett pictures of her tits would he care? Would he be scard for life? No but a women seeing bretts dick (if it truly is his dick) is now so destroyed only money will fix her? Please, women can flirt and act like whores but as soon as a man flirts hes a pervert, pig rapist. Women arent held responsible for their actions anymore but men are even when they dont do anything wrong.

[TripleSkeet]

I don't really get the mentality that makes Sterger the villain.

I dont get the mentality that if somebody texts you a picture of their dick you automatically deserve thousands of dollars from them. Especially when you werent offended enough to come out with it when it was done. Im not defending Favre but this girl does not deserve to made into some kind of courageous hero.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I dont get the mentality that if somebody texts you a picture of their dick you automatically deserve thousands of dollars from them. Especially when you werent offended enough to come out with it when it was done. Im not defending Favre but this girl does not deserve to made into some kind of courageous hero.

The piece of this I'm trying to figure out is that Sterger has a legitimate TV job when this came out. It wasn't like she didn't have a job, so the time was right. If she is in fact releasing this, then it all but destroys any sports media career she's trying to make for herself.

[Snacks]

Fear, career, scheming? But seriously who cares?

If this is a case of sexual harassment, then she's a victim and she deserves whatever she can get.

has a girl ever texted you pics of her tits? have a friend ever sent you a pic of a dick as a joke? are you ruined for life? Should be able to sue because you are so upset from seeing that? Why do men never care when shit like this happens but women hold onto and use it as a way to have mans life ruined?

We dont even know if that is bretts dick. Even if it is his dick does anyone know for sure that they didnt have a side relationship and he ended it months ago and she is now using this to get back at him and ruin his marriage? Maybe watching all the tiger whores made he think its smarter to play the harassment card rather then the scorn side piece of ass? We dont know but we always feel sorry for the female and allow them to continue to act like victims even when they arent. Sorry I dont trust these stories or these women at all. if it truly was about whats right no money would be mentioned and she would be extorting it from favre and now the jets.

[epo]

I dont get the mentality that if somebody texts you a picture of their dick you automatically deserve thousands of dollars from them. Especially when you werent offended enough to come out with it when it was done. Im not defending Favre but this girl does not deserve to made into some kind of courageous hero.

I'm hardly defending her as she doesn't appear to be the most innocent of people. That being said, even a whore can be harassed.

At a far away glance, they both appear to be hideous people But Favre has been around long enough to know better.

[epo]

I loathe Jared Allen and his stupid mullet.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm hardly defending her as she doesn't appear to be the most innocent of people. That being said, even a whore can be harassed.

At a far away glance, they both appear to be hideous people But Favre has been around long enough to know better.

How about this: Brett Favre doesn't leave dirty voice mails on her phone or (possibly) send her pics of his dick and she doesn't have anything she can use anyway.

[spoon]

its always a money grab and our society has made it so easy to lie and say you were assaulted. this is legal extortion, brett should tell her go fuck yourself nothing can happen to him except suspension. she already leaked shit so what does he have to lose by allowing her to speak? she couldnt do anything more to hurt him so he shouldnt do anything.

As for todays situations and women. Even if everything you do with a women nowadays is consenting you have to worry about her playing the victim years later when she can grab money or to get back at a man who broke their hearts. This is a scary time for men because people like tenbats love to make all men out to be pervs and assholes for sex and then make the women out to be victims when lets be honest most if not all are not.

Flirting can now be considered sexual harassment because me made everything a man does criminal. If a women sent brett pictures of her tits would he care? Would he be scard for life? No but a women seeing bretts dick (if it truly is his dick) is now so destroyed only money will fix her? Please, women can flirt and act like whores but as soon as a man flirts hes a pervert, pig rapist. Women arent held responsible for their actions anymore but men are even when they dont do anything wrong.

I dont get the mentality that if somebody texts you a picture of their dick you automatically deserve thousands of dollars from them. Especially when you werent offended enough to come out with it when it was done. Im not defending Favre but this girl does not deserve to made into some kind of courageous hero.

Not to mention she probably would have been all over him if he was just 10 year younger. Instead she probably thought it was funny and both have HUGE egos I'm sure. He figured who can resist? She thought, ewww, I can have anyone in the NFL why an aging star? I wouldn't put it past them both to have been involved at some pt too bc it's pretty strange to just go to the ole cock pic move out of the box. He just can't add bc of the marriage right now.

[epo]

How about this: Brett Favre doesn't leave dirty voice mails on her phone or (possibly) send her pics of his dick and she doesn't have anything she can use anyway.

Thats the thing. He saw one of his best friends (Mark Chmura) ruin himself through stupidity, then he creates evidence to ruin his image?

Fucking retarded.

[KnoxHarrington]

Favre looks like garbage again tonight.

[epo]

I have no clue why Green Bay didn't trade for Marshawn Lynch.

[epo]

Next year the combo of Jermichael Finley and Andrew Quarless will be unbelievable.

[epo]

Not a late hit. Fucking lame.

[KnoxHarrington]

The Vikings got utterly fucked on that reversal of the TD, but for some odd reason I just can't get upset about that.

[Justice4all]

Chargers 2 5

So who's turn is it for the Spoon suicide watch?

[epo]

These back shoulder throws by Rodgers have been oddly bad.

[epo]

Two picks in the red zone? Fucking annoying.

[Dudeman]

god i want rodgers to beat farve. the way he's handled taking over in GB totally outclasses farve. but gb has no running game, esp compared to minn.

[epo]

I don't want to see Favre out of the game.

No excuses for his losing.

[epo]

With Favre limping, lets see if Dom Capers fires up the blitz.

[OGC]

Nice pass Brett. Ha Ha Ha Ha, Favre sucks tonight

[epo]

Pick six!

[epo]

Kuhn on the second effort! Huge pickup on 4th down.

[PapaBear]

Let's see if they can do it again.

[epo]

Let's see if they can do it again.

I can't believe they ran the same play on two straight 4th downs.

[PapaBear]

I can't believe they ran the same play on two straight 4th downs.
They were kind of robbed with that whistle, though.

[epo]

Pick #3. Awesome.

[PapaBear]

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[OGC]

Nice pass Brett. Ha Ha Ha Ha, Favre sucks tonight

X 2

[Dudeman]

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wow, other than eddie murphy, i haven't laughed at something on snl in 30 years. but that was pretty good.

[KnoxHarrington]

Plenty of time for Favre to toss a few more dumb INT's.

[epo]

Plenty of time for Favre to toss a few more dumb INT's.

I'm not greedy, I'll just ask for one more.

[epo]

Out of bounds.

[keithy_19]

No TD. How the ref even signled touchdown is dumbfounding.

[OGC]

reversal coming up

[epo]

Finally over.

[Justice4all]

At the press conference Bret sounded like he was about to burst our crying.

[underdog]

The best example of this right now is Pat White.

In his limited playing time last year, he got laid out and was backboarded off the field. Concussion, knock out.

After training camp, MIA gave him an ultimatum - switch to WR or we'll cut you. White didn't want to go over the middle and risk another concussion, so he put some feelers out, found out there was MLB interest, so he allowed them to cut him and he went to play baseball.

He got cut because he sucked as a QB. They had him play this preseason more and he was fucking horrendous.

[KnoxHarrington]

Holy shit, Jay Cutler is one dumb motherfucker.

"I've played against [Hall] before -- there's no reason to shy away from him. That's hard to say after throwing four picks at a guy, but if we had to play him tomorrow, I'd go at him every time." That was Cutler's response to the valid question: "Why did you keep throwing Hall's way, when he was picking off everything in his area?

I know he shouldn't curl up into a ball, sobbing, saying "I suck, I suck" over and over after that game, and part of the deal of being a pro athlete is you have to be able to shrug off a shitty performance, but at the same time, if you get picked off by the same dude 4 times in a game, something is wrong with your game, and you do need to work on it. Maybe this is an unfortunate statement and he does know that, but this statement seems to suggest a very severe lack of humility, and that's a problem.

[weekapaugjz]

who's gonna be rowdy for tonight's game?

[disneyspy]

i'm gettin ready

[KnoxHarrington]

I think I am close to being rowdy, but not quite there yet.

But I'll be at the Monday night party.

[Dell]

who's gonna be rowdy for tonight's game?

me...if rowdy means drinking too much beer in my hotel room and passing out before halftime...

[weekapaugjz]

hank's coming up everybody better get ready. really ready.

[newport king]

anyone else notice it seems nfl teams are only playing songs that can be found in madden11 in their stadiums?

[KnoxHarrington]

Eli off to a stellar start tonight.

[disneyspy]

fuck

[newport king]

when did the saints become americas new team? i dont like anything about them. down to their uniforms and ugly turf and shitty who dey chant. fuck new orleans.:thumbdown:

[OGC]

it's gonna be a looooooooooong night for Eli.

[newport king]

glad i benched eli this week. jesus.

[Snoogans]

thank god for DWTS

[newport king]

thank god for DWTS

queer.

[KnoxHarrington]

Getting the NFC East champ in the playoffs this year will be pretty much as good as getting a bye. What a garbage division it is.

I'm not gonna say a goddam thing about you watching DWTS this week, Snoogs.

[newport king]

i had to google DWTS to figure out what it meant.

[disneyspy]

i had to google DWTS to figure out what it meant.

i had to google google to see what you were talking about

[Snoogans]

queer.

say what you will, its a pretty awesome show. its way better than these faggot giants

[disneyspy]

im now down by 4 points in one league cuz of that faggot whitten

[underdog]

say what you will, its a pretty awesome show. its way better than these faggot giants

You're watching pseudo-celebrities dance badly. I've never understood the appeal of that show for one second.

[weekapaugjz]

You're watching pseudo-celebrities dance badly. I've never understood the appeal of that show for one second.

because you're not queer.

[KnoxHarrington]

And this game is starting to get interesting.

[newport king]

im now down by 4 points in one league cuz of that faggot whitten

i need ahmad bradshaw to tear an ACL, and miles austin to go off with a kenny britt type game. that drop didnt help.

[OGC]

Why couldn't fucking Coughlin challenge that call DURING the commercial ?


cocksucker

[KnoxHarrington]

Romo DOWN

[disneyspy]

saying knock it off is so gay

[Jayw]

I am rooting for the boys for ya dspy. Fuck manning. Just started watching when bryant ran that shit back.

[newport king]

ive got money on dallas and fucking austin is killing my fantasy team

[KnoxHarrington]

Cowboys FAIL

[KnoxHarrington]

Broken clavicle for Tony Romo.

I think the Cowboys' season just ended.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Romo broken clavicle. I'll be sitting Austin rest of year.

[PapaBear]

Broken clavicle for Tony Romo.

I think the Cowboys' season just ended.
Did it ever start?

[Jayw]

All that awesome kickoff return needed was a fumble, classic.

[newport king]

every fucking week i just throw money away.:furious:

[TheGameHHH]

oh manningham just made dallas look stupid

[weekapaugjz]

gruden really has to stop with his AWFUL nicknames.

[KnoxHarrington]

gruden really has to stop with his AWFUL nicknames.

He keeps repeating this "Jet Blue" bullshit like he thinks it's the most clever thing ever.

Holy hell he sucks

[weekapaugjz]

this is getting just straight up embarrassing.

[Snoogans]

"jet blue", so brandon jacobs would be what....the luggage car?

[PapaBear]

this is getting just straight up embarrassing.
Oh, come on... They only missed about 20 tackles on that last play.

[KnoxHarrington]

One silver lining in this game: this probably is the final nail in Wade Phillips' coffin. And Jon Gruden is high on the list of possible candidates for his replacement.

That solves two problems at once.

[Dell]

Dallas reception...they're on their way now...

[brettmojo]

One silver lining in this game: this probably is the final nail in Wade Phillips' coffin. And Jon Gruden is high on the list of possible candidates for his replacement.

That solves two problems at once.
Yeah. Gruden. Yah.

[Dell]

stoooopid Dallas...that turnover cost me a FFL lost...I didn't think it was possible to hate Dallas more...

[epo]

Watching this is embarrassing in too many ways. Fucking garbage...

[KnoxHarrington]

Watching this is embarrassing in too many ways. Fucking garbage...

Like I said earlier, you draw the NFC East champ in the playoffs this year, that's like getting a bye. Total dogshit division.

[epo]

I'm listening to Matt Millen talk about Dez Bryant and all I can wonder is if Millen were still GM of Detroit If he'd have drafted him at #2 over Su.

[Justice4all]

say what you will, its a pretty awesome show. its way better than these faggot giants

Could you be more gay????

[spoon]

it's gonna be a looooooooooong night for Eli.

glad i benched eli this week. jesus.

or not

[Tenbatsuzen]

So, epo... ready for this weekend?

[epo]

So, epo... ready for this weekend?

No thanks. On the road without our starting RB, TE, RT, LDE, RDE, ILB, ROLB, FS?

If healthy it's a great game. Right now I don't see it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

beautiful football weather at the Meadowlands today.

[disneyspy]

this is so wierd hearing GOD SAVE THE QUEEN before a football game

[hanso]

this is so wierd hearing GOD SAVE THE QUEEN before a football game

Jeff Beck tore it up for the toothless.



My local game had that on. Glad it switched back.

[KnoxHarrington]

this is so wierd hearing GOD SAVE THE QUEEN before a football game

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[hanso]

No thanks. On the road without our starting RB, TE, RT, LDE, RDE, ILB, ROLB, FS?

If healthy it's a great game. Right now I don't see it.

Go Pack Go!

[KnoxHarrington]

You know, even if Fatboy Rex's call to go for the fake punt from their own 20 works, it's still a dumbass call.

[spoon]

that's not fat, that's just doughnut memories

[disneyspy]

damn,the jax d-back went helmet to helmet with whitten and got knocked the fuck out

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[Tenbatsuzen]

So Sanchez throws a ball that get to the receiver, is caught, and then wrestled away and called INT. Still think a Touch Before Interception Stat isn't needed?

[epo]

So Sanchez throws a ball that get to the receiver, is caught, and then wrestled away and called INT. Still think a Touch Before Interception Stat isn't needed?

Wouldn't have been a problem if Rex didn't piss away both of his challenges in the first half.

[hanso]

Chad Johnson got laid out.

[cougarjake13]

Chad Johnson got laid out.

ocho cinco ??

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wouldn't have been a problem if Rex didn't piss away both of his challenges in the first half.

The fumble challenge was bad, but I believe he challenged on another wrestled ball for the second. Never the less, horrible game, congrats on your win. Jets were getting too cocky anyway, needed to lose to get their heads back in the game.

[spoon]

So Sanchez throws a ball that get to the receiver, is caught, and then wrestled away and called INT. Still think a Touch Before Interception Stat isn't needed?

yes

[epo]

The fumble challenge was bad, but I believe he challenged on another wrestled ball for the second. Never the less, horrible game, congrats on your win. Jets were getting too cocky anyway, needed to lose to get their heads back in the game.

The other challenge on the wrestled ball was fucking stupid on his part. You can't challenge possession on a ball like that and he did it anyway.

[TripleSkeet]

Hahahahahahaha vintage McNabb right there.

[spoon]

Three coaches I simply can't understand that have jobs:

1) Wade Phillips
2) Steve Crosby (SD's ST coach) *4th blocked punt against for safety today to go with countless punt and kickoff issues.
3) Norv Turner

[underdog]

I can't believe I had to pick Washington for the eliminator pool. Fuck you, Washington.

[cougarjake13]

looks like we have a tie

[hanso]

ocho cinco ??

yes

[Snacks]

Seriously, the Jets are so overrated. They have gotten very lucky this year. Against Miami, against Denver. They should have 2 more loses at least right there. I love it they cant even score at home after a bye week against a depleted GB team!

Sanchez barely complete 50% of his passes a game and he doesnt even avg 200 yeards passing per game. Talk about a team that doesnt deserve the respect they get.

[epo]

Patriots fans cheering Favre on a cart?

I hate that guy, but come on.

[spoon]

Patriots fans cheering Favre on a cart?

I hate that guy, but come on.

Is this the way his career will now end? He looked so done on that cart, what exactly happened on the play that sent him into the locker room?

[epo]

Is this the way his career will now end? He looked so done on that cart, what exactly happened on the play that sent him into the locker room?

The Pats laid him with a clean hit, but the defensive player's helmet rode him and popped him in the jaw. Favre's chinstrap was bloody. Favre never opened his mouth, could be a busted jaw.

[TripleSkeet]

Patriots fans cheering Favre on a cart?

I hate that guy, but come on.

If that were Philly wed never hear the fucking end of it.

[disneyspy]

there goes the voicemails,now all he can do is send pictures

[spoon]

The Pats laid him with a clean hit, but the defensive player's helmet rode him and popped him in the jaw. Favre's chinstrap was bloody. Favre never opened his mouth, could be a busted jaw.

It's called osteoporosis, all his bones are just giving way. Time to hang them up for Brett?

[epo]

If that were Philly wed never hear the fucking end of it.

Philly does have a track record.

[spoon]

there goes the voicemails,now all he can do is send pictures

perfect!

[spoon]

Fuck Philly!