2011-12 NFL Season

[weekapaugjz]

This game has the makings of the worst game in NFL History.

Both these QBs, Offenses, TEAMS are terrible.

i'm holding out for the slim chance of marshall getting kicked out.

[spoon]

i'm holding out for the slim chance of marshall getting kicked out.

i so hope he's an idiot of his word

[Snoogans]

i'm holding out for the slim chance of marshall getting kicked out.

yea thats why im in

that and im nice and rowdy without hank

[weekapaugjz]

what a bunch of dummies.

[Snoogans]

jets are awesome

[weekapaugjz]

jets are awesome

superbowl!

[weekapaugjz]

matt moore, do you know who darrelle revis is?

[Snoogans]

thats some BS. thats a fuckin PI. Jets are so fuckin lucky

[weekapaugjz]

marshall should kick himself out of the game for not being able to stay in bounds.

[Snoogans]

how are the jets winning right now?


and more importantly, WHO THE FUCK LOOKED AT THIS GAME IN JULY AND THOUGHT HMMM, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD GAME TO PUT ON MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL

[weekapaugjz]

really gruden? one play by maybin proves why he was a first round pick? that completely negates two years of being completely useless? you are a fucking dolt.

[Snacks]

and that is why Sporano needs to be fired today. Miami is dominating this game but the coaching staff sucks and has no balls. They keep calling plays to Marshall without looking anywhere else. They are so predictable and then with 1:10 left and a time out they just run the clock out. Sporano has no balls, I think he has a pussy!

[Kevin]

really gruden? one play by maybin proves why he was a first round pick? that completely negates two years of being completely useless? you are a fucking dolt.

And Miami is respecting the run.

Getting 2yds per carry is respect worthy.

[Snoogans]

and that is why Sporano needs to be fired today. Miami is dominating this game but the coaching staff sucks and has no balls. They keep calling plays to Marshall without looking anywhere else. They are so predictable and then with 1:10 left and a time out they just run the clock out. Sporano has no balls, I think he has a pussy!

not gonna happen. they actually have an article on deadspin about the dolphins owner who has reportedly told people close to him that as much as losing hurts, he knows its gonna give him a good chance to get Luck, and so he plans to not fire sporano til after the season

[FatassTitePants]

Then fire him, hire me at a fraction of the cost, and me and the boys will go get fucked up on South Beach everyday instead of practicing. Then, bam, number one pick.

Ball's in your court, Indy.

[Snacks]

not gonna happen. they actually have an article on deadspin about the dolphins owner who has reportedly told people close to him that as much as losing hurts, he knows its gonna give him a good chance to get Luck, and so he plans to not fire sporano til after the season

I read something today similar. Basically he wants a franchise QB (young one) and a Big name head coach. So Sporano will be gone but probably not til the end of the year. He knows these guys have no respect for the coach so maybe thats the only way they can lose out. If they bring in another coach they might do something stupid and actually win a game or 2 and not get Luck.

I have no respect for that, I wish they would fire him now and take their chances.

[Snoogans]

I read something today similar. Basically he wants a franchise QB (young one) and a Big name head coach. So Sporano will be gone but probably not til the end of the year. He knows these guys have no respect for the coach so maybe thats the only way they can lose out. If they bring in another coach they might do something stupid and actually win a game or 2 and not get Luck.

I have no respect for that, I wish they would fire him now and take their chances.

yea he wants to clean house in the offseason

[Snacks]

yea he wants to clean house in the offseason

he needs too.

I say start the rookie QB from Delaware who is on the practice squad and see what he has to offer. If hes good maybe hes a trade piece or maybe hes your back up for years to come if you get Luck and if you dont get Luck at least you can see what you have in this kid already.

[Kevin]

he needs too.

I say start the rookie QB from Delaware who is on the practice squad and see what he has to offer. If hes good maybe hes a trade piece or maybe hes your back up for years to come if you get Luck and if you dont get Luck at least you can see what you have in this kid already.

So you expect a guy who couldn't make a team with Beck Hennie and whatever else bums you have to be anything?

Seriously?

[Tenbatsuzen]

With Gruden wrapped up in a new contract (which I'm sure he has an out in if he wants to coach) what "big name" is gonna coach in Miami? The only person I see is Cowher, and that's only if he has complete autonomy like Bellichick has. Not happening.

EDIT: To be honest, Gruden with Luck in Miami would be an excellent fit. But I don't think it happens. Gruden is probably make a shit ton working MNF and only has to work 1/2 the year.

[Snacks]

So you expect a guy who couldn't make a team with Beck Hennie and whatever else bums you have to be anything?

Seriously?

Beck hasnt been on the team in like 3 or 4 years. So I dont know what you are talking about. 2nd Henne is not that bad, his numbers overall have been pretty good. his problems have been mainly his coaches and o cord. 3rd Miami only keeps 2 QBs active weekly, like many teams. He is on their practice squad, and although he wasnt drafted he was highly touted and in early mock drafts he was ranked 5th best QB in this past draft. Hes a rookie, why not see what he can do? If not why even have him on the team?

[Snoogans]

So you expect a guy who couldn't make a team with Beck Hennie and whatever else bums you have to be anything?

Seriously?

matt moore

[weekapaugjz]

really gruden? one play by maybin proves why he was a first round pick? that completely negates two years of being completely useless? you are a fucking dolt.

again, gruden, a sack in the last minute of a blow out game? sing his praises!

[Kevin]

Beck hasnt been on the team in like 3 or 4 years. So I dont know what you are talking about. 2nd Henne is not that bad, his numbers overall have been pretty good. his problems have been mainly his coaches and o cord. 3rd Miami only keeps 2 QBs active weekly, like many teams. He is on their practice squad, and although he wasnt drafted he was highly touted and in early mock drafts he was ranked 5th best QB in this past draft. Hes a rookie, why not see what he can do? If not why even have him on the team?

Hennie could be the worst goddamn QB this side of Mark Sanchez and Mcnown.

HE was TERRIBLE.

[Snoogans]

With Gruden wrapped up in a new contract (which I'm sure he has an out in if he wants to coach) what "big name" is gonna coach in Miami? The only person I see is Cowher, and that's only if he has complete autonomy like Bellichick has. Not happening.

EDIT: To be honest, Gruden with Luck in Miami would be an excellent fit. But I don't think it happens. Gruden is probably make a shit ton working MNF and only has to work 1/2 the year.

miami would give him full autonomy, cowher i mean. Parcells is out, and he said basically exactly what he is lookin for:

Ross is so focused on getting his team a franchise quarterback that he has told friends, much as losses pain him in the short-term, he's aware they offer long-term gain because they put Miami in better position to pick Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck in the next draft.
The source also told Salguero that it was Ross who vetoed GM Jeff Ireland's attempts to trade for Kyle Orton over the summer, which actually was a wise move. But Ross, according to multiple sources close to him, per Salguero, also wants a "superstar" head coach or personnel man.



basically he wants a big time coach and another parcells type, but good, or he wants it in 1 guy (Cowher)

[Tenbatsuzen]

again, gruden, a sack in the last minute of a blow out game? sing his praises!

Rex likes projects, but he won't play them if he knows they suck, which is why Ducasse and Gholston didn't get playing time. But Maybin's been in there. He's doing OK. I'm not saying OMG he's awesome but he's fitting in the Jets D.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hennie could be the worst goddamn QB this side of Mark Sanchez and Mcnown.

HE was TERRIBLE.

For Fuck's sake.

Will you STOP using such hyperbole?

Sanchez is not a BAD quarterback. He's not a GOOD quarterback, but he's not a BAD quarterback.

Ryan Leaf is a BAD quarterback. JaMarcus Russell is a BAD quarterback. Donovan McNabb this year is a BAD quarterback. Your mom is a BAD quarterback.

[TripleSkeet]

I dont blame him. Thats what I would do if I owned a team that sucked. Why fight for 5 or 6 wins when you could get a franchise QB? Look around. The best teams all have one. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers. They dont come along often, so if you have a shot, you take it. Get the kid, get your coach, and start fresh next year.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Beck hasnt been on the team in like 3 or 4 years. So I dont know what you are talking about. 2nd Henne is not that bad, his numbers overall have been pretty good. his problems have been mainly his coaches and o cord. 3rd Miami only keeps 2 QBs active weekly, like many teams. He is on their practice squad, and although he wasnt drafted he was highly touted and in early mock drafts he was ranked 5th best QB in this past draft. Hes a rookie, why not see what he can do? If not why even have him on the team?

If you're on the practice squad, you're not on the team. You're a contractor making 70K a year and can be cut at any time.

[Snacks]

Hennie could be the worst goddamn QB this side of Mark Sanchez and Mcnown.

HE was TERRIBLE.

Funny coming from a Giants fan. Do you not remember elis first 30 starts? He was barely comp 50% of his passes and was on a better team.

In 30 starts Henne has 61% comp, 7110 yards, 31 tds vs 31 ints

Eli had a better TD to int ratio but his QB rating was lower and his comp % was just over 50%.He also had a better team around him and much better RBs. Let me guess Tiki sucked, I know you all hate him but he was one of the best RBs in the league when he played with young Eli!

Im not saying Eli isnt better now but Elis arm strength doesnt compare and you cant say Henne sucks. He has had bad games but he has also looked great at times. My point is with a better staff he will be fine and I wouldnt mind keeping him!

[weekapaugjz]

Rex likes projects, but he won't play them if he knows they suck, which is why Ducasse and Gholston didn't get playing time. But Maybin's been in there. He's doing OK. I'm not saying OMG he's awesome but he's fitting in the Jets D.

the kid has talent. but didn't do shit with it in two years in buffalo. the way gruden was talking about him though is just insane. if he can continue to improve, good for him.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I dont blame him. Thats what I would do if I owned a team that sucked. Why fight for 5 or 6 wins when you could get a franchise QB? Look around. The best teams all have one. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers. They dont come along often, so if you have a shot, you take it. Get the kid, get your coach, and start fresh next year.

Brady wasn't drafted as a OMG Franchise QB. The Patriots lucked out that he developed into what he turned into.

And I think it's fucking suicide to develop a rookie QB in the NFL if you don't have an O-line. And the Fins do not. He'll get smashed like David Carr.

[Snacks]

If you're on the practice squad, you're not on the team. You're a contractor making 70K a year and can be cut at any time.

You can also be activated anytime. The reason hes on the practice squad is to make room for other players. Many teams dont keep 3 qbs active. Shit the Jets best QB is on the practice squad (or is the bama QB active as the 3rd QB?).

Miles Austin was a practice guy for 2 seasons, Romo was a practice squad guy, Amendola was practice squad guy for Dal and I believe philly he became a starter for STL last year and was pretty good last season and this. Guys make practice squads because they arent ready or teams like them but dont want to loose them and want to keep them til they can use them.

[Tenbatsuzen]

For what it's worth, Henne was a middle of the line QB too. Not great, not horrible. Just there. Slightly worse than Sanchez.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You can also be activated anytime. The reason hes on the practice squad is to make room for other players. Many teams dont keep 3 qbs active. Shit the Jets best QB is on the practice squad (or is the bama QB active as the 3rd QB?).

Miles Austin was a practice guy for 2 seasons, Romo was a practice squad guy, Amendola was practice squad guy for Dal and I believe philly he became a starter for STL last year and was pretty good last season and this. Guys make practice squads because they arent ready or teams like them but dont want to loose them and want to keep them til they can use them.

What?

Jets have three QBs on the 53 man roster and no QB on the practice squad.

McElroy is on IR.

[Snacks]

What?

Jets have three QBs on the 53 man roster and no QB on the practice squad.

McElroy is on IR.

ok so their best qb is out for the season, my bad thats why i asked!

BTW Sanchez isnt better then Henne. He might have gone to 2 AFC championships but he is the worst QB in the league. He has a much better team and much better coaching staff. Thats why he has gotten lucky winning not because hes any good!

[TripleSkeet]

Brady wasn't drafted as a OMG Franchise QB. The Patriots lucked out that he developed into what he turned into.

And I think it's fucking suicide to develop a rookie QB in the NFL if you don't have an O-line. And the Fins do not. He'll get smashed like David Carr.

My point wasnt that Brady was an OMG 1st round QB, my point is he is a franchise QB now, and you cant win without one. Its the most important piece of the puzzle. I do agree having a line helps, but Cam Newton seems to be doing alot better then anyone thought he would in his rookie year. Especially considering he had no training camp.

[underdog]

For Fuck's sake.

Will you STOP using such hyperbole?

Sanchez is not a BAD quarterback. He's not a GOOD quarterback, but he's not a BAD quarterback.

Ryan Leaf is a BAD quarterback. JaMarcus Russell is a BAD quarterback. Donovan McNabb this year is a BAD quarterback. Your mom is a BAD quarterback.

I was almost on your side, up until this week.

Sanchez is fucking terrible. He has no future as a NFL QB. If the Jets cut him tomorrow, he'd just float around the Free Agent wire.

He is a BAD quarterback.

[Kevin]

Funny coming from a Giants fan. Do you not remember elis first 30 starts? He was barely comp 50% of his passes and was on a better team.

In 30 starts Henne has 61% comp, 7110 yards, 31 tds vs 31 ints

Eli had a better TD to int ratio but his QB rating was lower and his comp % was just over 50%.He also had a better team around him and much better RBs. Let me guess Tiki sucked, I know you all hate him but he was one of the best RBs in the league when he played with young Eli!

Im not saying Eli isnt better now but Elis arm strength doesnt compare and you cant say Henne sucks. He has had bad games but he has also looked great at times. My point is with a better staff he will be fine and I wouldnt mind keeping him!


Eli won a SB and a SB MVP by his 3rd year.

And no matter how terrible Eli was, he still showed flashes that he could lead a team especially in the 4th Qtr.

Sanchez has regressed.

His ability isnt bad, he is just missing something.

[underdog]

For the league and for fans, I hope Luck ends up in Indy, even though I despise them.

If Luck goes to virtually any other team, he'll be forced into starting right away and will suck balls. He'll never develop correctly and will end up just being another shitty, rushed NFL QB.

If he goes to Indy, he learns behind Manning for 2-3 years and probably ends up far more similar to Aaron Rogers.

[Tenbatsuzen]

ok so their best qb is out for the season, my bad thats why i asked!

BTW Sanchez isnt better then Henne. He might have gone to 2 AFC championships but he is the worst QB in the league. He has a much better team and much better coaching staff. Thats why he has gotten lucky winning not because hes any good!

Before this game, Sanchez is the 22nd ranked QB in the league. So please stop using your dumbass hyperbole to needle me to make yourself feel better.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was almost on your side, up until this week.

Sanchez is fucking terrible. He has no future as a NFL QB. If the Jets cut him tomorrow, he'd just float around the Free Agent wire.

He is a BAD quarterback.

You're entitled to that. Let's review this after this next stretch of three games.

[Snoogans]

I dont blame him. Thats what I would do if I owned a team that sucked. Why fight for 5 or 6 wins when you could get a franchise QB? Look around. The best teams all have one. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers. They dont come along often, so if you have a shot, you take it. Get the kid, get your coach, and start fresh next year.

i dont blame him, but you cant go fuckin tellin people that either

[weekapaugjz]

Before this game, Sanchez is the 22nd ranked QB in the league. So please stop using your dumbass hyperbole to needle me to make yourself feel better.

going on your previous description of sanchez not being GOOD but not being BAD, i'd say a quarterback being in the bottom third of the league is bad.

[Snacks]

Before this game, Sanchez is the 22nd ranked QB in the league. So please stop using your dumbass hyperbole to needle me to make yourself feel better.

Its not hyperbole or whatever you want to call it. He is terrible and cant hit wide open receivers.

[Tenbatsuzen]

going on your previous description of sanchez not being GOOD but not being BAD, i'd say a quarterback being in the bottom third of the league is bad.

Remember, he was the last QB to play, so once his stats are figured in, he won't be 22nd anymore, he'd be more middle of the pack, probably.

[weekapaugjz]

Remember, he was the last QB to play, so once his stats are figured in, he won't be 22nd anymore, he'd be more middle of the pack, probably.

whatever his stats may say, he's still a bad nfl quarterback.

[Snoogans]

whatever his stats may say, he's still a bad nfl quarterback.

if you watch him play, and you dont think he is a bad qb, you are either stupid, a big jets fan, or a big stupid jets fan

[weekapaugjz]

if you watch him play, and you dont think he is a bad qb, you are either stupid, a big jets fan, or a big stupid jets fan

:lol::lol:

[King Imp]

Carson Palmer wins... sort of (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7118158/oakland-raiders-verge-getting-carson-palmer-cincinnati-bengals-sources-say)

[TjM]

Fuck Miami is god awful

[TjM]

God that MNF game was awful. I'm sure it comes off as bias because I'm a Pats fans but howcome Revis is the only DB in the league playing under the pre 2004 contact rules. It's maddening

[Gutter]

Fuck Miami is god awful

They should have won that game last night. dropped passes, missing players wide open in the end zone, and the QB was starring down his first receiver on every play. I don't know how you only get a FG after recovering the ball on a kickoff that close to the goal. I saw at least 21 points they should have had and I missed a big chunk of the 2nd and 3rd.

[Kevin]

Carson Palmer wins... sort of (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7118158/oakland-raiders-verge-getting-carson-palmer-cincinnati-bengals-sources-say)

At least a 1st and a 2nd for Carson Palmer?

REALLY?

Wow.... Looks like nothing has changed in Raider Land..

[spoon]

Brady wasn't drafted as a OMG Franchise QB. The Patriots lucked out that he developed into what he turned into.

And I think it's fucking suicide to develop a rookie QB in the NFL if you don't have an O-line. And the Fins do not. He'll get smashed like David Carr.

I always have a problem with statements like this bc there are ways to adapt to a shitty o-line and young qb. It's called max protect, short passing game, 3 step drops max and quick throw aways if needed, roll outs, commitment to the running game regardless of a less than 4 yard average.

Also, sometimes kids end up on practice squads simply bc they aren't good with the playbook yet, get too little looks in camp/practice (especially low touted picks/pickups) and the fact that other vets are better stopgaps for a team at the time.

The pats got Brady late, but it wasn't like the guy wasn't the prototypical pocket passer type in college that fits better in the pros unfortunately. The hype around athletic qbs in college has hurt the position for years in my mind, as so many can't lead an offense unless they tuck the ball and run. For every good qb with speed and running ability to come into the NFL, there are 20 that don't even get touched and or come in and fall flat on their face.

[spoon]

You can also be activated anytime. The reason hes on the practice squad is to make room for other players. Many teams dont keep 3 qbs active. Shit the Jets best QB is on the practice squad (or is the bama QB active as the 3rd QB?).

Miles Austin was a practice guy for 2 seasons, Romo was a practice squad guy, Amendola was practice squad guy for Dal and I believe philly he became a starter for STL last year and was pretty good last season and this. Guys make practice squads because they arent ready or teams like them but dont want to loose them and want to keep them til they can use them.

I believe players have to clear waivers/be cut and exposed before being added to the practice squads. So if you fear losing them, it's not a great route to take unless you have no choice.

[spoon]

For what it's worth, Henne was a middle of the line QB too. Not great, not horrible. Just there. Slightly worse than Sanchez.

I think they are indeed pretty close, but on the Jets, I bet Henne would outperform Sanchez by a decent margin.

[spoon]

Before this game, Sanchez is the 22nd ranked QB in the league. So please stop using your dumbass hyperbole to needle me to make yourself feel better.

22 or 32, it's the bottom based on rankings and even worse if you simply WATCH the guy play

he is bad

[spoon]

Carson Palmer wins... sort of (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7118158/oakland-raiders-verge-getting-carson-palmer-cincinnati-bengals-sources-say)

WOW, to me that just shows Brown was savvy here and got a HUGE payday bc he held his ground so long. I said before, some team will get desperate and think they are better than they are and make a huge play for a qb when in need. Oakland not surprisingly, was that team this year. Brown made a huge statement to his team and still got a much bigger haul than anyone thought he would before the season for him. Talk was a 3rd rounder or so during the preseason, not one guaranteed first and another conditional one in 2013. Cincy now has a young core winning like vets in a tough division, and FOUR first round picks in the next two years. I'd normally say that they'd all be great/low picks, but Dalton plays smart and keeps his team in games, while Oakland's new coach seems pretty solid and they play in the trash division that is the AFC West. However, 4 picks that early are still going to help in a huge way.

[weekapaugjz]

that would be a fucking steal for cincy. plus they have a young team now that is playing some decent football. use these two picks wisely to bolster some needs and they could have a ton talent for several years to come.

[Snacks]

God that MNF game was awful. I'm sure it comes off as bias because I'm a Pats fans but howcome Revis is the only DB in the league playing under the pre 2004 contact rules. It's maddening

I agree, on that int for a td he manhandled marshall after 5 yards and pulled him down from the back of his jersey/shoulder pads and wasnt called for pi. Gruden and Jaws both said there were more then 1 reason they could and should have called a penalty there.

doesnt matter miami sucks and their coach is terrible.

[Kevin]

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Revis is a total faggot

Its hard to make Francessa look like less of a faggot but this douche did.

What a atrocious org

The guy in the vid was a dbag too.

[spoon]

I caught the discussion after the interview and I pretty much guessed how the interview went down. It's amazing how often this team acts like a bunch of fucking babies and can't hang with a fat dummy poking some fun at you. Why not just say it is what it is and I'll take the 100 yard int for every time I get incorrectly called and the rules keep favoring the offense. Turn it around Revis, but no, he needs his pr team to save him and give him direction on a simple phone in to a radio station. Man this team is soft, and you see the cracks in the foundation more and more as they aren't winning like in the past. Let's just say they all follow their coach and captain, and both are fucking idiots at best. What team in their right mind gives a guy who was pretty much cut bc of his personality and teaming issues despite great talent a leadership role?! The Jets, that's who.

[spoon]

Oh and whoever put this up in the tags, " matty's mangolden showers", BRAV-FUCKING-O!

[spoon]

“I think I would’ve had a couple rings,” Ryan said during a conference call with the San Diego media. “I’m telling you, those teams were loaded, there’s no question about it.”

Ryan then called Turner to clarify and back-pedal from his remarks. Turner hadn’t seen Ryan’s quote when he took the unexpected call.

The Chargers’ coach downplayed the comments, as did several players.

“(The phone call) was really between he and I,” Turner said of the conversation. “I think we’ve had enough coaching drama in the league the last few days. We don’t need any more.

However, Turner had one parting shot for his counterpart.

“After I saw the quote, I didn’t have a chance to ask him this, but I was wondering if he had those rings with the ones he’s guaranteed the last couple years,” Turner said.



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still, Rex is probably right and Turner does fucking suck

however, nice retort

[hanso]

LT to start Vs his former team but can any blocks be made to spring him for a grudge game?

[Kevin]

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still, Rex is probably right and Turner does fucking suck

however, nice retort

First thing Rex had right since he got here.

Any decent not even great HC has at least 1 SB there in the last. 5-7
Years.

[Snoogans]

First thing Rex had right since he got here.

Any decent not even great HC has at least 1 SB there in the last. 5-7
Years.

i love this. cause its so easy to win a SB. Funny the great Bill Bellechik had the best team ever and still couldnt win the SB. It happens. You need alot of luck to go along with the talent.

And, based on what i have seen by his championship caliber teams, no, rex wouldnt have a fuckin ring no matter where he coached. But also, lets not act like any coach coulda up and won the SB with that SD team. Cause alot of coaches had a lot of talented teams and never won.

[Kevin]

i love this. cause its so easy to win a SB. Funny the great Bill Bellechik had the best team ever and still couldnt win the SB. It happens. You need alot of luck to go along with the talent.

And, based on what i have seen by his championship caliber teams, no, rex wouldnt have a fuckin ring no matter where he coached. But also, lets not act like any coach coulda up and won the SB with that SD team. Cause alot of coaches had a lot of talented teams and never won.

That team had a ton of of talent and the only thing that really held them back was terrible coaching and stupid mistakes.

And Rex sucks he runs a much to undisciplined ship to ever win a superbowl.

[Snoogans]

That team had a ton of of talent and the only thing that really held them back was terrible coaching and stupid mistakes.

And Rex sucks he runs a much to undisciplined ship to ever win a superbowl.

i get that norv held them backi. But the patriots were 18-0 goin into the SB and didnt win the SB. Talent goes along way, but you cant just assume any team would have won the SB regardless. You coulda had fuckin bellechick coaching SD and he mighta lost. It happens. Thats the part that is silly

[spoon]

That team had a ton of of talent and the only thing that really held them back was terrible coaching and stupid mistakes.

And Rex sucks he runs a much to undisciplined ship to ever win a superbowl.

Let's be honest, the SB San Diego lost was truly under Marty with Marlon McCree picked off Brady to end the game if he just fucking dropped to the ground or protected the ball. Not to be and his reputation didn't even take a hit bc a savvy vet ripped the ball out of McCree's hands and gave him another shot. That game was OVER, and the Chargers were in my mind a better team that year, but they got beat bc of mistakes and shitty Pat luck otherwise know as coaching.

Turner is fine for a team coming into winning and opening your offense, but to become a playoff team/force in them, hardly. Turner would be a great coach for teams like St. Louis/Miami who obviously have a terrible approach to the offensive side of the ball and would get them back to winning, but a year or two at 8-8/9-7 and you need to move on to someone else unless you like living at .500 or around it at best. The only reason he's done so well at SD is equal parts talent there and lack of it with opposing teams within the division.

[cougarjake13]

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Revis is a total faggot

Its hard to make Francessa look like less of a faggot but this douche did.

What a atrocious org

The guy in the vid was a dbag too.



do people still even listen to him ?

[JimBeam]

Sadly I do now and again.

I haven't gotten a new Sirius receiver so I've been stuck with terrestrial radio for a while.

I try to bounce around and not give any of the AM guys too much time but I do have occasion to land on WFAN in the afternoons.

Francesa is such a douche and he gets so pissy whenever anybody questions that Yankees and I find that so annoying.

But from what I gathered in this, and I didn't hear the actual audio, Revis and the Jets were jerkoffs.

If I heard a recap correctly Revis told Francesa that he couldn't judge what was pass interfernce because he never played the game.

If that's true then it's the biggest bullshit argument ever and Francesa even said as much. One caller pointed out that the refs never played the game and they make the call all the time.

Francesa should've told Revis he never won a big game so he shouldn't hear him talk about it. He shouldn't say anything until he's won a Super Bowl because essentially he's accomplished nothing.

[JimBeam]

i love this. cause its so easy to win a SB. Funny the great Bill Bellechik had the best team ever and still couldnt win the SB. It happens. You need alot of luck to go along with the talent.

And, based on what i have seen by his championship caliber teams, no, rex wouldnt have a fuckin ring no matter where he coached. But also, lets not act like any coach coulda up and won the SB with that SD team. Cause alot of coaches had a lot of talented teams and never won.

Exactly.

The Colts were phenomenal for so many years in a row and still only have 1 ring to show for it.

Fuckin' Jet fans want to laud over their team because they made it to 2 straight AFC title games. As if that's an accomplishment.

Sure it is better than whatever 28 other teams did but when it doesn't equate to a trip to the Super Bowl it doesn't mean dick.

The Jets essentially finsihed in 4th place last year because I consider the NFC teams that lost to the eventual SB champ to be the 3rd place team.

So while they like to look at it as going there 2 times, sane people will look at it as Rex and those clowns LOSING 2 in a row.

[joeyballsack]

I loved the LT celebration after the TD.

[boobieman]

Don't understand the NFL...you have a game in London but it is not a nationally televised game here...

To me makes no sense..thank god for ticket..off to watch

SEEYYAYAAA

[Kevin]

What a fantastic hold by the first ballot HOF.

And Phil Simms is either high or retarded.

Sanchez has been solid? REALLY?

[Kevin]

Jesus Spoon, can your defense be more undisciplined?

[A.J.]

Cause alot of coaches had a lot of talented teams and never won.

Ask Marv Levy.

[Snoogans]

Ask Marv Levy.

yea and its pretty tough to blame a coach not being good enough cause his kicker hooked a GW FG

[Dan 'Hampton]

Boomer just said sanchize has looked good too. Amazing.

[weekapaugjz]

yea and its pretty tough to blame a coach not being good enough cause his kicker hooked a GW FG

what about getting blown out by washington and dallas?

[cougarjake13]

what about getting blown out by washington and dallas?

pyschological collateral damage

[Snoogans]

what about getting blown out by washington and dallas?

part of that was from losing to the giants. i really think if norwood hits that FG< you get at LEAST 1 more.

And almost everyone got blown out by those cowboys. The fact that the team payroll was somwhere around 7 billion dollars is always put aside. People always think we had salary cap in NFL since way back.

i know rules are rules, im not complaining, just sayin that dallas team was one of the best teams talent wise ever. And they were all cracked out and flyin around like maniacs

[JimBeam]

What's the difference between offsides and neutral zone infraction ?

Isn't offsides a free play ?

By the way I love the genius breakdown of how it was easier for Sanchez to throw a pass without pressure than it was while being pressured.

Great use of the split screen.

[JimBeam]

And almost everyone got blown out by those cowboys.

I was going to post this same thing.

[weekapaugjz]

What's the difference between offsides and neutral zone infraction ?

Isn't offsides a free play ?

By the way I love the genius breakdown of how it was easier for Sanchez to throw a pass without pressure than it was while being pressured.

Great use of the split screen.

neutral zone infraction is a defensive player jumping early, either hitting an offensive player or forcing an offensive player to move. the play is whistled dead.

offsides is jumping but not hitting anyone and is still a free play. or lining up in the neutral zone.

[JimBeam]

That was my impression but if you don't make contact shouldn't it be offsides ?

I understand a rule that doesn't allow the offense to fake out the defense with regards to a snap but the defense shouldn't get penalized because they tricked the offense. That's be like throwing a flag if your defense faking caused the QB to audible.

I know the rules been there forever but I still think it's silly.

[weekapaugjz]

That was my impression but if you don't make contact shouldn't it be offsides ?

I understand a rule that doesn't allow the offense to fake out the defense with regards to a snap but the defense shouldn't get penalized because they tricked the offense. That's be like throwing a flag if your defense faking caused the QB to audible.

I know the rules been there forever but I still think it's silly.

i think it's stupid as well, i've always felt as long as the defense doesn't make contact before the snap, they shouldn't be penalized if the offense moves. gives the offense too much of an advantage with snap counts and drawing them off-sides.

[Snoogans]

actually no. encroachment is coming across and touching a guy. Offsides is being across the line when the snap occures.

Neutral zone infraction is when the defense jumps into the neutral zone and causes the offensive lineman to flinch early. It used to be false start, but they said its not fair that the d can jump across and make them react, so they made it a d penalty

you can jump on d as long as you dont go into the neutral zone. if you do and the offense moves, its on you. Thats the 3 possibilities

[JimBeam]

That makes more sense.

But it still seems to favor an offense that already has more advantages.

[Snacks]

Im really getting tired of the Jets playing teams that are better and beating them giving the games back to the jets. How many times can this team get gifts handed back to them?

I will say if Sanchez is good at anything (which hes not good at much hes terrible) he at the very least stays in the game and takes advantage of these teams gifts.

[Kevin]

Good game by Rivers

[spoon]

Come on Snacks, Norv really made great adjustments at the half!

And man, what the fuck is with these pass int on SD, Jammer in particular?

Complete bs!

[spoon]

Good game by Rivers

It's been the whole year. Eventually Turner sinks in no matter how good you are as a player.

[spoon]

This game is fucking maddening. Now they were not ALLOWED to challenge that call, and a guy supposed to mark the ball was trumped by the other ref COMPLETELY out of position. WTF is going on with this one? The spot was horrible.

[TripleSkeet]

Too funny. Rex Ryan pretty much comes out and calls Turner a shitty coach, which he is, then San Diego comes out on fire, takes a huge lead, and somehow he cant come up with a gameplan to ride it out for a win, proving hes a shitty coach. Oh the irony.

[sailor]

Smart move by Sanchez not throwing it away. Did that injury cost SD a timeout?

[Kevin]

BRUTAL play calling on that last drive

[HBox]

I'm an Eagles fan so I've seen A LOT of shitty 2 minute drills, and that was the worst I've ever seen

[Snacks]

4th and 3 with no time left and Rivers throws it away? WTF is that team thinking. This day went from a great day and now its turning into a disaster.

Now I have to watch my team do exactly what SD just did!

[JimBeam]

What the fuck was Rivers thinking on that 4th down play ?

Nice 2 INTs by thar moron in the 2nd half.

Maye it's not Turner who sucks, maybe it's his QB.

[sailor]

Following the raider game online and they listed Boller, Pryor AND Campbell at qb on the first drive. I am so confused right now.

[Tenbatsuzen]

What the fuck was Rivers thinking on that 4th down play ?

Nice 2 INTs by thar moron in the 2nd half.

Maye it's not Turner who sucks, maybe it's his QB.

That may be the worst two minute drill I've ever seen run in my entire life.

[Kevin]

I'm an Eagles fan so I've seen A LOT of shitty 2 minute drills, and that was the worst I've ever seen

Come on H.

If that isn't a great example that the Jets D is a first ballot HOF D I don't know what is

[sailor]

That may be the worst two minute drill I've ever seen run in my entire life.

Nothing worse than Denny green on a weekly basis in Minnesota.

[weekapaugjz]

could miami be more pathetic? how many home losses is that in a row now? 11 or 12 at least.

[Snacks]

Sporano needs to be fired before the press conference. I have never witnessed a team play so poorly for a coach in my life then Miami is right now. He lost this team last year and hes still there?

[Snacks]

could miami be more pathetic? how many home losses is that in a row now? 11 or 12 at least.

They can be more pathetic, if they dont make a change now that will make them more pathetic!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tim Tebow, first ballot hall of famer.

[underdog]

I'm an Eagles fan so I've seen A LOT of shitty 2 minute drills, and that was the worst I've ever seen

yeah, that was something awful.

[spoon]

What the fuck was Rivers thinking on that 4th down play ?

Nice 2 INTs by thar moron in the 2nd half.

Maye it's not Turner who sucks, maybe it's his QB.

While Rivers is clearly not playing well right now, it's only over 5-6 games versus years for Turner. The guy is simply not a good coach and needs to go. AJ Smith is too much of a control freak to even make a move to an effective coach, and as I said before Rex is at least right in that the Chargers would have done better with him. Still not right to say, but there was plenty of truth to it. Norv sucks so bad. He had two weeks to prepare for that first half, the second he didn't and you saw the awesome results!:flush:

[underdog]

Following the raider game online and they listed Boller, Pryor AND Campbell at qb on the first drive. I am so confused right now.

Boller is in, for now. 1-3 with 2 picks.

[Tenbatsuzen]

While Rivers is clearly not playing well right now, it's only over 5-6 games versus years for Turner. The guy is simply not a good coach and needs to go. AJ Smith is too much of a control freak to even make a move to an effective coach, and as I said before Rex is at least right in that the Chargers would have done better with him. Still not right to say, but there was plenty of truth to it. Norv sucks so bad. He had two weeks to prepare for that first half, the second he didn't and you saw the awesome results!:flush:

When you run a shit two minute offense like that, that isn't on Norv, that's on the QB. They were running with NO URGENCY whatsoever. It's Rivers' job to get them to the line and have a play.

[spoon]

Sporano needs to be fired before the press conference. I have never witnessed a team play so poorly for a coach in my life then Miami is right now. He lost this team last year and hes still there?

Both our coaches needed to be fired before the fucking season started to be honest.

And wtf was that 2 pt conversion at the start of the 4th? That was the difference when all is said and done. 8 doesn't tie if you just kick that fucking thing.

[spoon]

When you run a shit two minute offense like that, that isn't on Norv, that's on the QB. They were running with NO URGENCY whatsoever. It's Rivers' job to get them to the line and have a play.

Yes, coaching has zero impact in preparation, play calling and hell anything right?! Why do you even try?

[spoon]

and remember, turner is somehow considered an "offensive guru"!

[Snacks]

Both our coaches needed to be fired before the fucking season started to be honest.

And wtf was that 2 pt conversion at the start of the 4th? That was the difference when all is said and done. 8 doesn't tie if you just kick that fucking thing.

its called bad coaching. They were shutting out Den there was no reason to go for it. But its not just the 2 point conv. It having no balls and always kicking fgs when you should at least build confidence in your team and going for a 1st or a td. He celebrates a fg like a td every time and players looks at him like hes an asshole.

[Snacks]

Yes, coaching has zero impact in preparation, play calling and hell anything right?! Why do you even try?

its called having your team try and having a sense of urgency. That is coaching more then it is anything. You learn a lot from your coach and miami and sd have learned to sit back and do shit. at least in this game sd did, miami has done it for 2 seasons now.

[Kevin]

Yes, coaching has zero impact in preparation, play calling and hell anything right?! Why do you even try?

Come on Spoon

You just say everyone on your team is fantastic and rely on shitty QB play and shittier coaching to win.

Then tell everyone how great you played in the post game PC

You should know better.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yes, coaching has zero impact in preparation, play calling and hell anything right?! Why do you even try?

Stop making excuses for Rivers. It's Norv's job to call the plays, but it's Rivers' job to command on the field. When they're lollygagging to the line, taking slow counts, that's on the QB.

They had about 1:30 left when they got the ball. Average football play takes six seconds. A TON of time was lost when they got the first down and then just meandered up to the line.

[sailor]

Both our coaches needed to be fired before the fucking season started to be honest.

And wtf was that 2 pt conversion at the start of the 4th? That was the difference when all is said and done. 8 doesn't tie if you just kick that fucking thing.

Except extreme instances (like being down 24) you gotta kick until its late in the game. You just don't know how shit will shake down until then.

[Tenbatsuzen]

In other words:

After getting the ball back with 1:30 left, San Diego ran five plays. Average time of a play is six seconds.

They wasted a MINUTE off the clock. Simms was screaming for them to spike on second down to get their shit together. (And THAT I will concede was on Norv.)

[Kevin]

Stop making excuses for Rivers. It's Norv's job to call the plays, but it's Rivers' job to command on the field. When they're lollygagging to the line, taking slow counts, that's on the QB.

They had about 1:30 left when they got the ball. Average football play takes six seconds. A TON of time was lost when they got the first down and then just meandered up to the line.

Rivers didn't one day decide to go from a top tier qb to a mediocre one.

Its coaching

[spoon]

Stop making excuses for Rivers. It's Norv's job to call the plays, but it's Rivers' job to command on the field. When they're lollygagging to the line, taking slow counts, that's on the QB.

They had about 1:30 left when they got the ball. Average football play takes six seconds. A TON of time was lost when they got the first down and then just meandered up to the line.

First off, nobody is making excuses for Rivers, I've stated many many times he's been bad this year. To me though, he's a product of a system and the now COMPLETE LACK OF FAITH in their coach. It's time to move on, and if you watch closely in games, he is constantly having conversations just short of arguing with Turner time and time again. He's lost this team even when at 4-1. Truthfully, they were the worst 4-1 team I ever fucking saw.

Also, lollygagging, or no play was sent in yet? How the fuck do you even know? Did you watch how many penalties the Chargers had after two weeks of prep? Now you think Norv is ready for the play calls in hurry up? Sorry, he didn't even find a way to challenge the spot of a ball that was clearly not a first down run which would have given SD at least one more play, possibly two increasing their odds and options.

[JimBeam]

And Rivers' decisions to throw those 2 short passes that ate up the clock and still didn't seem to prompt some urgency to get up to the line of scrimmage.

And Turner, no matter what plays he called, didn't throw those 2 4th quarter INTs that cost them the game.

[spoon]

Except extreme instances (like being down 24) you gotta kick until its late in the game. You just don't know how shit will shake down until then.

agreed

up 12 (looking at 13 or 14) you sure as hell DON'T go for 2

[Tenbatsuzen]

Also, lollygagging, or no play was sent in yet?

Even without a play, getting personnel to the line and set isn't that hard and shouldn't take as long as it did.

[JimBeam]

Rivers was bitching earlier in the game, after throwing a shitty pass, looking for a non-existent penalty.

Again not sure how that's Turner's fault.

[spoon]

And Rivers' decisions to throw those 2 short passes that ate up the clock and still didn't seem to prompt some urgency to get up to the line of scrimmage.

And Turner, no matter what plays he called, didn't throw those 2 4th quarter INTs that cost them the game.

no, he called the plays with a struggling qb of late with late leads (one bigger than the other as it shrunk). he decided not to pound the fucking ball up two scores at any point, and never made the Jets respect the run in any way. The Jets were down the entire game almost and ran it more, even when down two scores, while the Chargers kept throwing jump balls and deep routes in the same situation until they went down and decided it was dump it off time. Also, let's never put an extra guy on Burress right? Instead, let's line up our tiniest db and let him tussle his hair as he catches tds with ease.

[Kevin]

Even without a play, getting personnel to the line and set isn't that hard and shouldn't take as long as it did.

Wait.. set what exactly?

So there is a same set and everyone is in the same spot every play?

[JimBeam]

I agree the defense was awful especially on those playes to Buress.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Rivers was bitching earlier in the game, after throwing a shitty pass, looking for a non-existent penalty.

Again not sure how that's Turner's fault.

After the Revis INT, he was flipping out on the ref. Was that what you were referencing?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wait.. set what exactly?

So there is a same set and everyone is in the same spot every play?

In the two minute drill, and ESPECIALLY a two minute drill without TOs, the OL is basically the same because there's no time to change personnel.

Granted, getting set needs a play, but they weren't even getting to the line. That's what I'm talking about.

[spoon]

Rivers was bitching earlier in the game, after throwing a shitty pass, looking for a non-existent penalty.

Again not sure how that's Turner's fault.

how do you not get that I watch this team week in and week out and it's all part of being a Norv led team

even when they win, it's in SPITE of Turner

look at their special teams intelligence, when they catch it, when they let it go
look at the penalties
look at the play calling
look at the choices his players make

this and all his sd teams were just a mess of bodies running all over the place with no real direction, just as you saw in the two minute drill

norv needs to go, not rivers

but some can't see the reasons behind a team's true issues

I assume the team lost this game by not getting to the line though bc of lollygagging and rivers wanting the same bullshit pass interference calls in his favor that Holmes got twice and their rookie late on a huge play (completely blown call).

[Snacks]

Chris Johnson was a genius to get his money now because he sucks. I always want to see players that are underpaid get what they deserves especially since the nfl can fuck you at any time. But whats going on with him is proof why you dont pay a rb what he wants. In this new league of pass first, almost every rb is replaceable. Its a position that you can fill with undrafted free agents, late round picks, regular free agents and older players rather then over pay or pay top dollar. The only rb that seems to be worth it is AP and even he would get less money if these teams would wise up and stop overpaying the others. Then you get AP for half of what he just got!

[spoon]

on another note, hearing aikman talk about "big daddy" cracked me up

Gizzzaaayyy!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Chris Johnson was a genius to get his money now because he sucks. I always want to see players that are underpaid get what they deserves especially since the nfl can fuck you at any time. But whats going on with him is proof why you dont pay a rb what he wants. In this new league of pass first, almost every rb is replaceable. Its a position that you can fill with undrafted free agents, late round picks, regular free agents and older players rather then over pay or pay top dollar. The only rb that seems to be worth it is AP and even he would get less money if these teams would wise up and stop overpaying the others. Then you get AP for half of what he just got!

Johnson didn't one day decide to go from a top tier rb to a mediocre one.

Its coaching

[sailor]

I guess I have to assume McFadden is hurt; any word on what happened?

[disneyspy]

I guess I have to assume McFadden is hurt; any word on what happened?

im watching redzone but i think i heard them say something about foot

[spoon]

yah foot, but Michael Bush is ripping shit up it seems regardless

[sailor]

Yeah, it keeps flashing foot on fox. Apparently beanie wells is also hurt for AZ.

[spoon]

Yeah, it keeps flashing foot on fox. Apparently beanie wells is also hurt for AZ.

The fucked up part about this is I'm facing both McFadden and Wells in my money fantasy league.

[spoon]

how long until GB scores on this drive to open the half?

i say they put up a td at the 12:27 mark

HA, looks like my answer came as I typed this...almost immediately

[spoon]

how do you let their number 1 target be THAT open?

he pretty much walked in

[spoon]

shit, never would have guessed they'd have two scores by the 10 min mark!

[TripleSkeet]

no, he called the plays with a struggling qb of late with late leads (one bigger than the other as it shrunk). he decided not to pound the fucking ball up two scores at any point, and never made the Jets respect the run in any way. The Jets were down the entire game almost and ran it more, even when down two scores, while the Chargers kept throwing jump balls and deep routes in the same situation until they went down and decided it was dump it off time. Also, let's never put an extra guy on Burress right? Instead, let's line up our tiniest db and let him tussle his hair as he catches tds with ease.

This. Everyone is talking about the last 2 minutes like thats what lost San Diego the game. How about the play calls and stupid decisions when they were up 18? Its one thing to blow that lead against an offensive powerhouse like GB or NE. But to blow it to the Jets? Whos offense is mediocre at best? Ridiculous.

Ive been saying for YEARS I dont know how Norv Turner keeps getting work. Hes never accomplished anything. Hes another Dave Wanntstedt / Wade Phillips. A good coordinator that sucks when hes given the captains chair.

[spoon]

SD's lead never got over 11 unfortunately. Still, it really is amazing how often bad coaches get handed 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th shots. Hell, the fucking Raiders were dumb enough to give ART SHELL TWO CHANCES THEMSELVES! What the fuck were they thinking? At least we know Jerry Porter wasn't happy about it.

[disneyspy]

damn! cowboy rookie getting his first start could set a team rushing record today

[underdog]

damn! cowboy rookie getting his first start could set a team rushing record today

Didn't Choice start?

[disneyspy]

Didn't Choice start?

he was sposed too,not sure,i know theyre not using him

[spoon]

and weren't 95% of his yards from one play, almost the first play of the game?

[disneyspy]

244 yards,just passed emmit smiths 237,just tacked on a few more

[spoon]

244 yards,just passed emmit smiths 237,just tacked on a few more

244~!?!?

holy shit!

[Kevin]

Johnson didn't one day decide to go from a top tier rb to a mediocre one.

Its coaching

Right because that's the same thing.

RBs just never lose it all of a sudden.

That's never happened before

[spoon]

First Campbell, now McFadden...can the Palmer led Raiders be in big trouble?! If that's the case, what a monumental waste of picks!

[sailor]

First Campbell, now McFadden...can the Palmer led Raiders be in big trouble?! If that's the case, what a monumental waste of picks!

Apparently just a sprain. Bye should help with this and Palmer.

[underdog]

Apparently just a sprain. Bye should help with this and Palmer.

The good news, if not, is that you can build through the draf...

Uh, nevermind.

[spoon]

The good news, if not, is that you can build through the draf...

Uh, nevermind.

No no, remember they traded Seymore for a few pickssss.....oh yah, nix that last comment.

[KnoxHarrington]

No no, remember they traded Seymore for a few pickssss.....oh yah, nix that last comment.

Well, the last time the Raiders picked a QB in the first round they ended up with JaFatass Russell, so I guess not having a first round pick is not that big a deal for them.

[KnoxHarrington]

I bet before the season began, NBC's suits looked at the schedule and thought that tonight's Saints/Colts game was gonna be huge.

[Crash]

Was at the Jets Chargers game today. Sat next to Manny Pacquiao.

...um, not really NFL related I guess. Just sayin'.

[spoon]

Was at the Jets Chargers game today. Sat next to Manny Pacquiao.

...um, not really NFL related I guess. Just sayin'.

that's pretty cool

did you let him sit on your lap so he could see?

[Snoogans]

That makes more sense.

But it still seems to favor an offense that already has more advantages.

esp now that saavy guys have figured out the just jump if a defender comes across. they werent forced into jumping, thety are just smart, and they get the call for it

[Snoogans]

agreed

up 12 (looking at 13 or 14) you sure as hell DON'T go for 2

especially if they havent done a fuckin thing against your D all day

[Snoogans]

Johnson didn't one day decide to go from a top tier rb to a mediocre one.

Its coaching

actually its probably called being out of shape from not showing up for camp on time. Thanks for playing, though

[Snoogans]

here is my take on the jets chargers game:

The chargers came out house of fire. the jets stood no chance. Then Norv started doing really dumb shit. Throwing on 2nd and 4 up 11 type dumb shit. The jets havent stopped the run all year basically, and you stop running the ball against them? Awesome

Then the jets started to catch up thanks to some great coverage by SD. Clearly, Rivers didnt have the DBs in the correct position, so thats on him. (that ones for you matty)

Then the jets are coming back, and SD is calling fuckin PASSES. even if rivers is on top of his game, WHY ARE YOU FUCKIN CALLIN PASSES. After that, I think rivers just seriously got sick of Norv and just pulled an amare, said fuck it, and just started chuckin it so he could go sit down

[Snoogans]

there is one thing i will give tenbatz that he is most likely right on. On most teams, unless they REALLY dont trust their QB, the coach doesnt call plays in a 2 min drill. They are rushing to the line so fast, they leave that to the QB. When the giants run a 2 min drill, Eli is choosing the plays at the line. No one is callin them in on a headset cause he wouldnt have time to do all that shit.

I would guess that Rivers, in the 2 minute drill, is the one callin signals, not norv into his headset

[Crash]

that's pretty cool

did you let him sit on your lap so he could see?

He is a tiny man, no doubt. But he was very cool. Took photos with fans, basically got hassled for the whole game and took it all in stride. Apparently he showed up with no fanfare. When Jet's Special Services got wind of it, they came down and offered to move him to another location - presumably a luxury box or somewhere away from the great unwashed like me. Manny declined and stayed where he was for the entire game.

Pretty cool.

[Snoogans]

btw did anyone notice that before the game in London, the entire crowd booed tampa when they ran on the field? They said it was people who are angry at Glazer for how he has handle Man U's finances. I didnt hear it or see it, but apparently they booed the fuck outta them

[Crash]

Oh yeah...

Apparently Jimmy Fallon and the Crowned Prince of Denmark were at the game as well. But they didn't sit in my section.

I'm not sure if Fallon and the prince were together. That was never made clear to me.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Right because that's the same thing.

RBs just never lose it all of a sudden.

That's never happened before

An RB losing it.. at 26. You dolt.


How about this: He wasn't in training camp, he was dreadfully out of shape, and the team itself just sucks.

[Tenbatsuzen]

actually its probably called being out of shape from not showing up for camp on time. Thanks for playing, though

I was actually mocking Kevin. See his post about Rivers.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I love how NBC was making such a big deal that Payton was gonna be in the booth and not on the sidelines.

Payton could have been calling this game from home for God's sake.

[Snoogans]

I was actually mocking Kevin. See his post about Rivers.

yea i saw it after.

[Kevin]

An RB losing it.. at 26. You dolt.


How about this: He wasn't in training camp, he was dreadfully out of shape, and the team itself just sucks.

How bout I blame Phillip Rivers?

[Tenbatsuzen]

How bout I blame Phillip Rivers?

http://www.whodeyrevolution.com/.a/6a00e550080ede88330120a76435f6970b-600wi

[spoon]

The Saints might put in their second unit in the second quarter!

Wow this is pretty awful.

[Snoogans]

what the fuck man. I know losing Peyton Manning was huge, but i wasnt aware that Peyton manning was the ONLY good player on the entire team

[spoon]

what the fuck man. I know losing Peyton Manning was huge, but i wasnt aware that Peyton manning was the ONLY good player on the entire team

looks like he was also coaching a whole lot of these people up too

this can't reflect well on anyone left there, especially the coaching staff

[Snoogans]

looks like he was also coaching a whole lot of these people up too

this can't reflect well on anyone left there, especially the coaching staff

it gives me the feeling they all just kinda gave up. Like they knew they had no chance, why fuckin kill yourself.

Speaking of giving up, am I the only one who gets the feeling that Miami's owner called down to the sideline and had a little talk with sporano about midway through the 4th? A little call to remind him of the good Luck he has in still being coach, maybe.

[spoon]

the only problem is he won't have any luck calling down to either Indy's or St. Louis's sideline

[Snoogans]

the only problem is he won't have any luck calling down to either Indy's or St. Louis's sideline

they would both trade down i think

[Tenbatsuzen]

they would both trade down i think

St. Louis would. Not sure about Indy. They would be perfectly set up to take Luck, IMHO.

[spoon]

they would both trade down i think

St. Louis prob, but not sure on Indy...not to mention that doesn't mean they move him to Miami. I'm sure Devner/Elway would LOVE to get the pick and sign a fellow highly touted Stanford qb. Elway has no love for Tim.

[Snoogans]

St. Louis would. Not sure about Indy. They would be perfectly set up to take Luck, IMHO.

they have ALOT of money into peyton. I know they got the rookie scale, but i dont know if they can afford to carry a QB on hte bench makin 5 mill ayear

[spoon]

they have ALOT of money into peyton. I know they got the rookie scale, but i dont know if they can afford to carry a QB on hte bench makin 5 mill ayear

To learn under Peyton alone it's worth it, much less the injury being very serious at this point. I'm quite confident he'll play again, but missing a year can't help at all. St. Louis needs depth in so many ways on the lines, so I see them moving it sure. However, I don't even think they wind up dead last in the end, but who knows.

[spoon]

wow that was a tough run

[Kevin]

To learn under Peyton alone it's worth it, much less the injury being very serious at this point. I'm quite confident he'll play again, but missing a year can't help at all. St. Louis needs depth in so many ways on the lines, so I see them moving it sure. However, I don't even think they wind up dead last in the end, but who knows.

Yea previous rookie contracts I say no shot.

This one I think its a good shot.

[spoon]

Yea previous rookie contracts I say no shot.

This one I think its a good shot.

yah probably

[Snoogans]

he will still get 5 mill a year. I get that it would seem worth it, but can you really afford to knock out almost 20% of your cap on 2 QBs?

[spoon]

he will still get 5 mill a year. I get that it would seem worth it, but can you really afford to knock out almost 20% of your cap on 2 QBs?

pretty much the only position I'd even contemplate it

[JimBeam]

Ditka, who I personally think is a blockhead, just said that he wasn't aware Manning played defense to the point of why they are so bad this year.

He basically called the team out and said they quit and then he traded an entire darft for one shitty player ( wait, sorry, I got distracted there for a second ).

Boomer & Carton were going on about the Revis/Francesa thing and Boomer was saying the play wasn't pass interference basically because it wasn't called. So no flag means it didn't happen I guess.

But I can imagine if there was a late hit on a QB, that lead to an injury, and that wasn't flagged on the field, he'd have a different opinion about what's called versus what the eyes have seen.

If the fuckin' rule book says you can't touch the WR after 5 yards, and you do, it's pass interference whether or not the fuckin' ref called it.

I know there's perception and reality but when you see something happen with your eyes you tend to believe it happened.

[newport king]

Before last nights game Tony Dungy was interviewing Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark, i don't know if anyone watched this but they were both running down Painter. Saying how when Peyton would get to the line and see a certain look from the D he would check out of that play, but no, not this kid. Are these two guys fucking serious? Way to have confidence in the kid. We all know he is no Peyton. Hell he's no Cooper. But jesus christ he's your guy at this point, don't talk shit on how hard it is playing with him at QB as opposed to Manning.

And afterward, both Dungy and Collinsworth mentioned how this team hasn't quit. And they're out to show this wasn't a one man team. Whether or not Manning is the QB, the D let up 62 FUCKING POINTS!

[JimBeam]

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark

Yeah because these 2 would've been marginal players w/o Manning.

I haven't seen even one down of this guy Painter and just looking at his numbers he seems like he shouldn't be anybody's backup let alone one for an all time great.

[Snoogans]

spoon will get a kick out of this:

"Aaron Rouse returned one of his three interceptions 46 yards for a touchdown to help the Virginia Destroyers win the United Football League championship game, 17-3 over the Las Vegas Locomotives on Friday night. ... The Destroyers gave coach Marty Schottenheimer his first pro title."

[TripleSkeet]

Before last nights game Tony Dungy was interviewing Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark, i don't know if anyone watched this but they were both running down Painter. Saying how when Peyton would get to the line and see a certain look from the D he would check out of that play, but no, not this kid. Are these two guys fucking serious? Way to have confidence in the kid. We all know he is no Peyton. Hell he's no Cooper. But jesus christ he's your guy at this point, don't talk shit on how hard it is playing with him at QB as opposed to Manning.

And afterward, both Dungy and Collinsworth mentioned how this team hasn't quit. And they're out to show this wasn't a one man team. Whether or not Manning is the QB, the D let up 62 FUCKING POINTS!

Not to mention I can count the NFL QBs on one hand that are able to recognize a D and check out of the play like he does. These guys are fucking spoiled. If they need Peyton Manning to be a good team then they are in for a pretty rude awakening because coming back 100% from a necck injury this severe is not going to be easy.

These faggots have no heart. They absolutely have written off the season and have since Week 1. With the weapons they have they shouldnt have a record this bad. I know they arent nearly as good without Manning but once they lost him they shouldve went to a more conservative offense and leaned more on their superstars. Of course seeing the way they throw their QB under the bus so fast, I dont think that wouldve helped anyway.

[Snacks]

I love how people bitch when players give generic answer and say they wish they would be real and tell the truth. Then when they tell the truth players people hate the honesty. Painter sucks and shouldnt even be in the NFL he showed that last year or was it the year before when they played the jets and he couldnt move the ball a few yards in 2 quarters?!

Im so happy this has happened in Indy it just proves the value of Manning and how Dungy and their current coaching staff suck and it also proves that he is the most valuable player in the league. It also imo proves that he is better then Brady b/c without brady the team still went 11-4 and almost won the division. They didnt miss a step, without manning this team might go winless!

[TripleSkeet]

I love how people bitch when players give generic answer and say they wish they would be real and tell the truth. Then when they tell the truth players people hate the honesty. Painter sucks and shouldnt even be in the NFL he showed that last year or was it the year before when they played the jets and he couldnt move the ball a few yards in 2 quarters?!

Im so happy this has happened in Indy it just proves the value of Manning and how Dungy and their current coaching staff suck and it also proves that he is the most valuable player in the league. It also imo proves that he is better then Brady b/c without brady the team still went 11-4 and almost won the division. They didnt miss a step, without manning this team might go winless!

Yea, sure it proves that. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Peyton Manning would give up half of his fucking vertebrae to have those 2 rings more that Brady has. You know what this proves? It proves the Colts coaching staff and team have alot less balls then the Patriots. Bill Bellichick would never just let his team concede a season because Brady got hurt. Indys owner was talking about drafting Andrew Luck by Week 3. Hows that for confidence?

As good as Peyton is, Brady is the BEST QB in the NFL. I dont give a fuck what anyone says.

[Snacks]

Yea, sure it proves that. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Peyton Manning would give up half of his fucking vertebrae to have those 2 rings more that Brady has. You know what this proves? It proves the Colts coaching staff and team have alot less balls then the Patriots. Bill Bellichick would never just let his team concede a season because Brady got hurt. Indys owner was talking about drafting Andrew Luck by Week 3. Hows that for confidence?

As good as Peyton is, Brady is the BEST QB in the NFL. I dont give a fuck what anyone says.

How does it not prove Peyton is better and move valuable? The fucking Pats won 11 games with a back up QB who didnt even play 1 game in college and hadnt played since he was a high school senior 6 or 7 years earlier! You keep thinking winning a SB is all about the QB alone. Never mind that this is a team sport and the 1 sport that coaching is more important then probably any other team sport!

[JimBeam]

... shouldve went to a more conservative offense and leaned more on their superstars.

My thing is these guys aren't superstars, at least not the offensive ones, and Manning just made them look good.

Why the defense is so bad is the question.

They still have Freeney and mathis as far as I know and unless they have shit for a secondary they shouldn't have lost that bad.

Brees is good but he's never put those kinda numbers up.

31 for 35 ???

By the way that's gonna be one of the best days in the history of the NFL no ?

Simms was like 22 for 24 in the SB I think but this has to be up there.

[JimBeam]

How does it not prove Peyton is better and move valuable? The fucking Pats won 11 games with a back up QB who didnt even play 1 game in college and hadnt played since he was a high school senior 6 or 7 years earlier! You keep thinking winning a SB is all about the QB alone. Never mind that this is a team sport and the 1 sport that coaching is more important then probably any other team sport!

And that the kicker " won " those 3 games for them.

Sure Brady had a hand in it but when the chips were on the table it was Venieteri ( sp ?? ) who was the Un-Norwood and got it done.

[Snacks]

My thing is these guys aren't superstars, at least not the offensive ones, and Manning just made them look good.

Why the defense is so bad is the question.

They still have Freeney and mathis as far as I know and unless they have shit for a secondary they shouldn't have lost that bad.

Brees is good but he's never put those kinda numbers up.

31 for 35 ???

By the way that's gonna be one of the best days in the history of the NFL no ?

Simms was like 22 for 24 in the SB I think but this has to be up there.

The reason the defense is even worse now is teams arent trying to keep up with manning. When teams play that way sometimes they forces plays to happen and make mistakes making their defense look better. Not to mention their coaching staff sucks so Im sure the entire team has lost some desire from losing Peyton. It shouldnt happen but it just proves Mannings worth!

And that the kicker " won " those 3 games for them.

Sure Brady had a hand in it but when the chips were on the table it was Venieteri ( sp ?? ) who was the Un-Norwood and got it done.

I agree and so do many others. They havent won a SB since losing Viniteri. They also won SBs when Brady was just an avg QB. Since he has become a stats guy and has looked better the team hasnt won.

[JimBeam]

I won't go so far as to discount what Brady did in getting his team to the point where they could win but all he did was manage the game as he was expected to do.

There were never any Eli Manning-like escapes that I can remember on any of his game winning drives that made you say " Yeah, only he would've made that play ".

Not that Eli's was that way but more to the point that I don't recall a " great " play from Brady.

[Snacks]

I won't go so far as to discount what Brady did in getting his team to the point where they could win but all he did was manage the game as he was expected to do.

There were never any Eli Manning-like escapes that I can remember on any of his game winning drives that made you say " Yeah, only he would've made that play ".

Not that Eli's was that way but more to the point that I don't recall a " great " play from Brady.

Well he did fumble against the raiders but somehow got a great call that created a new rule "tuck rule". He escaped that disaster which would be 1 less super bowl. Oh and If I remember they also dont make it to the Super Bowl his first year without Bledsoe coming in, in the AFC title game and winning it for them.

Those 3 titles were more about their coaching, their incredible defenses, luck and Bradys play in the 4th q.

[spoon]

the "logic" being thrown around in this thread of late hurts my fucking head

[weekapaugjz]

the "logic" being thrown around in this thread of late hurts my fucking head

"of late"

:lol:

[weekapaugjz]

and seriously, how the fuck does jacksonville get a home monday night game?

[Snoogans]

and seriously, how the fuck does jacksonville get a home monday night game?

they expected hank to be around to get people rowdy for it

[KnoxHarrington]

and seriously, how the fuck does jacksonville get a home monday night game?

They probably knew that this game was probably going to be going up against Game 5 of the World Series, so they didn't want to waste a really good matchup on it.

[weekapaugjz]

They probably knew that this game was probably going to be going up against Game 5 of the World Series, so they didn't want to waste a really good matchup on it.

oh yes, the ratings killer world series...

[KnoxHarrington]

oh yes, the ratings killer world series...

Well, I mean, when you're making plans, you gotta assume that two teams people give a fuck about might be playing.

[TripleSkeet]

The reason the defense is even worse now is teams arent trying to keep up with manning. When teams play that way sometimes they forces plays to happen and make mistakes making their defense look better. Not to mention their coaching staff sucks so Im sure the entire team has lost some desire from losing Peyton. It shouldnt happen but it just proves Mannings worth!



I agree and so do many others. They havent won a SB since losing Viniteri. They also won SBs when Brady was just an avg QB. Since he has become a stats guy and has looked better the team hasnt won.

Your posts are borderline insane. That last paragraph may be the dumbest thing written about football in the history of the internet. Yea Vinatieri is the reason they havent won a Super Bowl since the 2004 season. Insanity.

In one sentence you say how football is a team sport, and coaching has alot to do with it....which I agree with by the way....then you go on to say that Indy being so horrible is all because Peytons not there. Because hes so good they would be 5-1 right now, right? Its baffling.

Super Bowl wins 99% of the time are a direct cause of great QB play. Yes you can win them without one, but look at history, the majority of the Super Bowl winners had GREAT QBs at the helm. And I dont think any team has won multiple Super Bowls with a QB that isnt in the HOF. Yet you try to discount Bradys game. Amazing. The guy is the biggest clutch QB in the NFL has seen since John Elway retired, and you talk about him likes hes fucking Trent Dilfer. And this is coming from a fucking guy that had to WATCH BRADY BEAT HIS TEAM IN THE SUPER BOWL.

[weekapaugjz]

i thought baltimore was supposed to be a top afc team...

[underdog]

How does it not prove Peyton is better and move valuable? The fucking Pats won 11 games with a back up QB who didnt even play 1 game in college and hadnt played since he was a high school senior 6 or 7 years earlier! You keep thinking winning a SB is all about the QB alone. Never mind that this is a team sport and the 1 sport that coaching is more important then probably any other team sport!

The Patriots have a real coach. I think that's the difference.

[underdog]

Well he did fumble against the raiders but somehow got a great call that created a new rule "tuck rule". He escaped that disaster which would be 1 less super bowl. Oh and If I remember they also dont make it to the Super Bowl his first year without Bledsoe coming in, in the AFC title game and winning it for them.

Those 3 titles were more about their coaching, their incredible defenses, luck and Bradys play in the 4th q.

The tuck rule wasn't a new rule, and it's also still the rule. It hasn't been changed.

[underdog]

And Snacks, you keep bitching like Sparano is the problem in Miami.

Is there a player starting on that team that could actually start on any other team? How is a coach supposed to succeed in that state?

[Kevin]

And Snacks, you keep bitching like Sparano is the problem in Miami.

Is there a player starting on that team that could actually start on any other team? How is a coach supposed to succeed in that state?


Marshall if he wasn't bat shit insane, that's about it


Maybe the first ballot HOF Long...

[weekapaugjz]

Is there a player starting on that team that could actually start on any other team? How is a coach supposed to succeed in that state?

a handful, tops. off the top of my head jake long, cameron wake, karlos dansby, branden marshall. can't think of any others.

[underdog]

Marshall if he wasn't bat shit insane, that's about it


Maybe the first ballot HOF Long...

a handful, tops. off the top of my head jake long, cameron wake, karlos dansby, branden marshall. can't think of any others.

How many drops does Marshall have this year?

That team has nothing going for it. At least a team like St. Louis has something to look forward to. Miami has nothing. Fire the coach, draft Luck, force him to start, go 1-15 and probably ruin him.

[underdog]

Also, this might be the worst game I've ever seen.

[Kevin]

Also, this might be the worst game I've ever seen.

Last weeks game was pretty hard to top.

How bout Florida NFL football right now,

I hope Jax loses for a while for the douchebaggery they showed with Gerrard.

[underdog]

Last weeks game was pretty hard to top.

How bout Florida NFL football right now,

I hope Jax loses for a while for the douchebaggery they showed with Gerrard.

They did the same thing to the last QB, too. They just hold onto shitty QBs too long.

And Garrard had to know it was coming. It's like a girl cheating on her guy with you, you dating her and then being surprised when she cheats on you.

[weekapaugjz]

How many drops does Marshall have this year?

i have no idea, but you seriously think there are 64 better receivers in the nfl better than marshall?

That team has nothing going for it. At least a team like St. Louis has something to look forward to. Miami has nothing. Fire the coach, draft Luck, force him to start, go 1-15 and probably ruin him.

and i completely agree with this. the team is brutal, as you stated, the dolphins will ruin luck if (when) they get him. seriously, how many top QB's get thrown in their rookie year and didn't shit the bed and develop properly. i can't think of many.

[Kevin]

i have no idea, but you seriously think there are 64 better receivers in the nfl better than marshall?



and i completely agree with this. the team is brutal, as you stated, the dolphins will ruin luck if (when) they get him. seriously, how many top QB's get thrown in their rookie year and didn't shit the bed and develop properly. i can't think of many.

I also blame alot of his drops on his not giving a shit because he has a terrible QB and a terrible team..

Not saying its right, just saying its the case.

Im not sure how many he had in Den.

[underdog]

i have no idea, but you seriously think there are 64 better receivers in the nfl better than marshall?

No. But there was obviously something wrong with him because Denver wanted nothing to do with him. He has some serious skill but he could also end up locked up for killing his chick.

[weekapaugjz]

uh, i've seen that exact thing in a lot of games with no ejections.

[PapaBear]

uh, i've seen that exact thing in a lot of games with no ejections.
This year? The rule is new.

[weekapaugjz]

This year? The rule is new.

yes. players have their hands up shoving and pushing at players helmets after the play all the time.

[PapaBear]

yes. players have their hands up shoving and pushing at players helmets after the play all the time.
But he wasn't pushing. If they judge it to be a thrown punch, it's automatic ejection. His fist wasn't closed, but he threw his hand forward into the face mask. If he had just been shoving, it would only be a personal foul.

[weekapaugjz]

But he wasn't pushing. If they judge it to be a thrown punch, it's automatic ejection. His fist wasn't closed, but he threw his hand forward into the face mask.

pushing, punching whatever you want to call it, moving your hand towards the mask after the play and making contact. i've seen it multiple times.

[PapaBear]

Doesn't pretty much every coach have one of those laminated play cards? Why is the Raven's coach's card being called an IHOP menu? And doesn't the announcer realize that IHOP has folding menus? He's thinking of a Waffle House menu.

[cougarjake13]

spoon will get a kick out of this:

"Aaron Rouse returned one of his three interceptions 46 yards for a touchdown to help the Virginia Destroyers win the United Football League championship game, 17-3 over the Las Vegas Locomotives on Friday night. ... The Destroyers gave coach Marty Schottenheimer his first pro title."

holy fuck i totally forgot about this league

[cougarjake13]

Before last nights game Tony Dungy was interviewing Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark, i don't know if anyone watched this but they were both running down Painter. Saying how when Peyton would get to the line and see a certain look from the D he would check out of that play, but no, not this kid. Are these two guys fucking serious? Way to have confidence in the kid. We all know he is no Peyton. Hell he's no Cooper. But jesus christ he's your guy at this point, don't talk shit on how hard it is playing with him at QB as opposed to Manning.

And afterward, both Dungy and Collinsworth mentioned how this team hasn't quit. And they're out to show this wasn't a one man team. Whether or not Manning is the QB, the D let up 62 FUCKING POINTS!

any chance peyton wins the mvp without playing a down ?

can that happen ?

[cougarjake13]

The tuck rule wasn't a new rule, and it's also still the rule. It hasn't been changed.

wasnt the rule created from that play ??

[PapaBear]

wasnt the rule created from that play ??
It was my understanding that it was always a rule, but the play was the first time anyone knew about but the refs. It was called the tuck rule after that.

[underdog]

wasnt the rule created from that play ??

It was my understanding that it was always a rule, but the play was the first time anyone knew about but the refs. It was called the tuck rule after that.

I think it was the first time it came up on a big stage. It doesn't happen very often.

[cougarjake13]

It was my understanding that it was always a rule, but the play was the first time anyone knew about but the refs. It was called the tuck rule after that.

I think it was the first time it came up on a big stage. It doesn't happen very often.

yeh i think that was it

i think it happened in a reg season game not too long ago

other then that its prob the brady game the last time it happened

[weekapaugjz]

i think it happened in a reg season game not too long ago

happened in the bills/bengals game this year. dalton brought the ball forward and was holding it against his chest when it was knocked out. ruled an incomplete pass. it's a bullshit rule.

[cougarjake13]

happened in the bills/bengals game this year. dalton brought the ball forward and was holding it against his chest when it was knocked out. ruled an incomplete pass. it's a bullshit rule.

so what happens with this weekends game ? do bills season ticket holders get seats or is it just first come first serve ??

[underdog]

happened in the bills/bengals game this year. dalton brought the ball forward and was holding it against his chest when it was knocked out. ruled an incomplete pass. it's a bullshit rule.

It's to keep the refs from having to judge when a player isn't actually throwing. Everything is just deemed a forward throw.

[weekapaugjz]

so what happens with this weekends game ? do bills season ticket holders get seats or is it just first come first serve ??

i don't really know, but i don't think season ticket holders get dibs. all the tickets/promotion/etc. for the game is under the control of the group out of toronto putting it all together.

i'm not a huge fan of the whole thing, but it does bring in more cash every year with the deal for the bills. so that's a good thing, i guess.

[Kevin]

holy fuck i totally forgot about this league

Was He Hate me the MVP?

[weekapaugjz]

It's to keep the refs from having to judge when a player isn't actually throwing. Everything is just deemed a forward throw.

oh, i understand the intent of the rule, but in the case i cited, the ball was resting on his chest. i don't see how that can be a forward throw.

[cougarjake13]

Was He Hate me the MVP?

only in the xfl

[cougarjake13]

i don't really know, but i don't think season ticket holders get dibs. all the tickets/promotion/etc. for the game is under the control of the group out of toronto putting it all together.

i'm not a huge fan of the whole thing, but it does bring in more cash every year with the deal for the bills. so that's a good thing, i guess.

well i doubt theyd ever put a new team there and unless some crazy shit happens i dont see them moving the bills there but if the fan response is good, along with buff not being too far away for buffalonians to travel i can see a situation where they play 4 in buffalo and 4 in toronto

[underdog]

well i doubt theyd ever put a new team there and unless some crazy shit happens i dont see them moving the bills there but if the fan response is good, along with buff not being too far away for buffalonians to travel i can see a situation where they play 4 in buffalo and 4 in toronto

It doesn't sell out, and they only do it once a year.

Maybe if they moved it to the soccer stadium up there, it might.

[cougarjake13]

christ looks like the miami jaguars showed up

but theres no tebow jesus on the ravens

[cougarjake13]

It doesn't sell out, and they only do it once a year.

Maybe if they moved it to the soccer stadium up there, it might.

well there goes that theory then

[underdog]

What a near awesome on-side kick.