2011-12 NFL Season

[newport king]

No HBox, thats a silly analogy. All im saying is for all the talk about how he sucks, and i think we can all agree, no he isnt what a qb SHOULD be. He wins. Its unexplainable. So you cant look at his throwing motion like you're an advanced scout and act like he doesn't belong on the field. He's doing this at the pro level. The Jets supposedly have a good D, they couldn't stop him on a final drive either.

[spoon]

How were they when Orton was QB? The D isnt on the field nonstop so theyre playing well. Not saying theyre along for the ride, but clearly this team believes in HIM.

Fox's d took a little time to get going.

it's amazing when you look at the schedule too, as Denver might only have one tough game left. 3 of 4 at home and their only road game left against the sinking ship that is buf (injured too). NE is the only good team left, and even Tebow might be able to throw on them! Yet BB will surely find a way to destroy this kid and I can't wait. Normally Chicago would be a concern, but now they are down their starting qb and rb.

[spoon]

This is what I was thinking.

I mean certain teams just look like they don't know how to and/or don't want to win.

That's how Washington looked.

They had a few chances to take leads and settled for FGs.

How many fuckin' times does an NFL QB get to have his passes batted back into his face ?

For all the talk about Tebox not being a prototypical QB I know that Grossman is supposed to be one and he sucks whole bags of dicks.

Contract Buffalo and Washington !!!

wait, grossman is a prototypical qb!?

:lol:

[newport king]

Having to defend HIM annoys me as a Raider fan, but i cant deny week after week there HE is.

[spoon]

Ryan Leaf was a great prototypical qb. He won 4 games as a starter.

no qb is great in any fucking way when they can't spell their own name

he too was NOT a great prototypical qb, he has athletic skills for the position

different altogether

[Snacks]

wait, grossman is a prototypical qb!?

:lol:

no hes not and never was

[epo]

I totally understand why Giants fans loathe Tom Coughlin.

Great challenge buddy!

[newport king]

Cmon spoon at the time people were saying he might be better coming out of college than manning.

[spoon]

No HBox, thats a silly analogy. All im saying is for all the talk about how he sucks, and i think we can all agree, no he isnt what a qb SHOULD be. He wins. Its unexplainable. So you cant look at his throwing motion like you're an advanced scout and act like he doesn't belong on the field. He's doing this at the pro level. The Jets supposedly have a good D, they couldn't stop him on a final drive either.

now the jet's D is good?! i think even douchebats would dispute this in 2011


you really need to look at who won those games and who they were against

not only were the d he faced putrid, so were his stats minus one drive or two that the D allowed to be so important in the first place

oak
kc
nyj
sd
minny

YAH!

[newport king]

Todd Marinovich too. Im just pointing out, cant miss guys fall short of expectations. Scouts arent always right.

[spoon]

Cmon spoon at the time people were saying he might be better coming out of college than manning.

all one had to do is talk to his team, coach or the player himself and you'd know he was a fucking trainwreck

my buddy was in that same draft class and we talked from the combine. he literally told me as an O lineman that I better hope Indy takes Leaf, bc Manning is MILES ahead of him and Leaf is as dumb as they come. not good at qb even if you could toss a ball 100 yards on a line.

[spoon]

Todd Marinovich too. Im just pointing out, cant miss guys fall short of expectations. Scouts arent always right.

first off, who ever said scouts are always right?

second, most here are basing their judgements on the guy via the shit load of games he was on national tv while in Florida and the utter joke we've seen on the NFL field too

he makes Dilfer look like Montana

[spoon]

Todd Marinovich too. Im just pointing out, cant miss guys fall short of expectations. Scouts arent always right.

another idiot, and his life was hijacked by dad and every drug under the sun

another mess if only you dug deeper on the guy a LITTLE

[newport king]

IN oak
IN kc 2 tough places to play, SD a decent team if they had a different coach

[spoon]

IN oak
IN kc 2 tough places to play, SD a decent team if they had a different coach

not against their d

and there is NO TOUGH PLACE TO PLAY IN THE AFC WEST!

[epo]

There is that nickleback epo D

How do you like that Clay Matthews song?

[HBox]

If there is a guy I would most credit for the Broncos resurgence its not Tebow. It's the guy who didn't play today, Von Miller. We just saw how this defense plays without him today.

And without that D Tebow's typical 17 points a game would have the Broncos in the toilet.

[newport king]

Look, i WANT HIM to fail. But he hasnt and i respect that. Just dont get people still talking shit on him

[epo]

Bad pick by Rodgers.

[HBox]

Bad pick by Rodgers.

Somebody is not getting a discount double check today.

[disneyspy]

Somebody is not getting a discount double check today.

HA!

[spoon]

this game is all defense early!

[epo]

Clay Matthews with another song!

[HBox]

It was like everyone knew that was a live ball except the players on the field.

[spoon]

minus Clay of course


I'm surprised GB had their RB BJ Raji on the field on that play! The Giant are real lucky he didn't take that to the house!

[spoon]

nice kick buddy!

[epo]

nice kick buddy!

I knew it was doomed when Joe Buck ran his mouth about "Crosby's only missed one kick all year".

[cougarjake13]

Just like I said giants are keeping it close just to torture us

[epo]

Nobody can waste challenge flag like Tom Coughlin!

[Kevin]

Terrible Tom is so lucky the review every scoring play.

Those two challenges were an absolute JOKE.

He needs to go.

[Kevin]

Wow

The Packers need help from the Refs too?

[epo]

Terrible Tom is so lucky the review every scoring play.

Those two challenges were an absolute JOKE.

He needs to go.

Wouldn't have mattered. It was a TD anyways.

[spoon]

didn't matter!

[Kevin]

At least i got fantasy pts out of it.

[spoon]

wow if Nicks doesn't just miss tds all day for me

FUCK!

good think I put him in over Bryant...Nelson too!

FUCK!




Speaking of fuck, how bad is Flacco of late?! Take Rice away and I think he'd have worse passing stats than Tebow!

[Kevin]

Hey dickfaces, GET THE PLAY OFF.

Maybe if you don't take 15secs celebrating a catch down 11, that does not happen.

[disneyspy]

FUCKIN TERRY BRADSHAW SOUNDS MORE LIKE FEZ THAN FEZ DOES!

what the f?

[spoon]

Hey dickfaces, GET THE PLAY OFF.

Maybe if you don't take 15secs celebrating a catch down 11, that does not happen.

that wasn't on the guys who celebrated honestly

those fat f's that can't run block never got there in time

[Tenbatsuzen]

So some Green Bay fan at MetLife was asking for a high-five from Nicks on that play.

GREATEST FANS EVER

[spoon]

So some Green Bay fan at MetLife was asking for a high-five from Nicks on that play.

GREATEST FANS EVER

first off, who the fuck cares?!

second off, he could have been yelling at him like fans do Rex, saying something like "you're still losing and are out of the playoff picture"

the only difference, Nicks didn't tell him to fuck off yet!

[Crispy123]

FUCKIN TERRY BRADSHAW SOUNDS MORE LIKE FEZ THAN FEZ DOES!

what the f?
Bradshaw sounds like Fez if he gargled jizz in his mouth.

[Crispy123]

uh-oh Giants like beating undefeated teams.

[HBox]

Forget what I said before. It's discount double check time!

[Crash]

Forget what I said before. It's discount double check time!

Took me a second to get that.

I laughed.

[epo]

Nice invalid fair catch, run the play...which then causes Quarless to take an awful injury.

Way to whitewash it Fox!

[Crash]

Eli's Comin'!!!!!

[spoon]

nicks!

feeling better now

[spoon]

talk about defense?! oooof

2 fn plays later

[Crispy123]

Holy hell, they are 12-0

[epo]

12-0.

[HBox]

Don't let anyone tell you you're a robot Aaron. You ARE a quarterback!

[Crash]

Holy hell, they are 12-0

12-0.

Holy shit...I can see why.

[Kevin]

Both Ds are dogshit.

Good game Epo

[spoon]

yah did you see Epo pick manning off and take it to the house !

what kevin!?


nickelback D?

[spoon]

much more fun to watch than any Jet game this year outside of the tebow game!

[Kevin]

yah did you see Epo pick manning off and take it to the house !

what kevin!?


nickelback D?


Yes its so hard to pick off a guy being blocked off by a fatasd TE.

Dogshit D.

But 12-0 is 12-0

[Crash]

Uh-oh...Al Michaels just noted how great it is that Stafford's managed to saty healthy this year...

...this kid is toast.

[HBox]

Uh-oh...Al Michaels just noted how great it is that Stafford's managed to saty healthy this year...

...this kid is toast.

The kid is gonna go out with a shoulder or a knee or an ankle.

[PapaBear]

MNF is going to suck balls tomorrow.

[spoon]

MNF is going to suck balls tomorrow.

not if someone gets fired!

[TripleSkeet]

spoony baby, youre starting to fall behind in the pick em league!

[PapaBear]

not if someone gets fired!
You're right. That Mel Tucker guy has been around WAY too long.

[spoon]

spoony baby, youre starting to fall behind in the pick em league!

starting!?

i've been out of it around the 10 spot all year


don't worry though, I always come on strong in the end

Plus, only one of us here have a title yet...even if you win it'll be you trying to catch up!

Foggy might have something to say about any of you clowns winning it!

[PapaBear]

Foggy might have something to say about any of you clowns winning it!
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I've been gaining about a game a week on him lately. If nothing changes tomorrow, I'll have gained another one. But now Rhah is one up on me, and spy and TS are only one bellow me. It's getting crowded up there!

[TripleSkeet]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I've been gaining about a game a week on him lately. If nothing changes tomorrow, I'll have gained another one. But now Rhah is one up on me, and spy and TS are only one bellow me. It's getting crowded up there!

Yea Ive been slowly gaining a game here and there. Thought I was gonna move up alot more then I did this week, picking both Indy and the Giants, but Ill take what I can get!

[JimBeam]

Is that is a counter argument?

It's funny though, his career completion percentage is almost the same as Tebow's, actually a point higher. Tebow doesn't throw as many interceptions, which is something I give him credit for, he doesn't turn the ball over, but then again, they don't let him throw enough in the first place.

Or it's grit. Tebow is a gritty player. He just gets things done. Man's got a belly full of guts.

But obvioulsy he throws enough to help the team win which is his job.

Where does it say a QB has to throw for 300 yards in order to lead his team ?

There's a magic number that a team has to throw in order to be validated by you ?

It's not about wins it's about the number of pass attempts in a win ?

Fuckin' Sanchez threw the ball more than Tebow and still didn't get as many yards.

Oh but wait I guess it's unfair that Tebow's receivers were faster or got more open.

You sound like Rex Ryan when you bitch about tebow.

Fat Rex keeps saying " we're gonna win ' and when he doesn't there's nothing lost but the minute they get lucky enough to win he's a genius.

Rooting for Tebow to lose every week, and using your analysis to say why he's going to lose, and then he doesn't leaves you w/o a valid argument. But then when he finally does start losing you'll be " I told you so. "

It's a joke. A team winning 6 of 7 game is important in any manner and it shouldn't matter who the QB is.

At the very least the team believes in what's he's doing. If he sucked as bad as you think wouldn't his team mail it in ?

[disneyspy]

chargers starting their december run

[Snoogans]

chargers starting their december run

im pretty sure me you and spoon coulda scored on Jacksonville

[disneyspy]

im pretty sure me you and spoon coulda scored on Jacksonville

HA!

its nice to see someone here not go for the old man hack joke

[spoon]

im pretty sure me you and spoon coulda scored on Jacksonville

HA!

its nice to see someone here not go for the old man hack joke

Yah, even I can't win tossing to a guy as old as the templar in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Come on snoogans!

Yet he looked more like the guy after he drank from the wrong cup.

Dspy

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8wTvWJvY4hY/TLquIoqIu5I/AAAAAAAAAB4/5puY3F4a3mc/s1600/last+crusade_CU+2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mjmq6EjrZww/TCwPw6BmAtI/AAAAAAAAACM/TfXr4w0ZBhQ/s1600/Grail-wrong.jpg

[Snoogans]

HA!

its nice to see someone here not go for the old man hack joke

yea i went for the greenskeeper joke instead. I only put you there so the grass wont get too long

[disneyspy]

brian your words are hurtful

i will not see you at the ice cream social!

[spoon]

you guys finally seeing why Rivers is looking so bad yet?

no line, terrible play-calling and of course he's simply off after getting hit on almost every play



Oh and good news, Turner's call on Dielman was right on that he's fine. The guy who was left in the fucking game and then not even appropriately evaluated by the team after only to suffer a grand mal seizure....yah, well, he's not contemplating retirement early.

Perhaps it's bc Spanos, AJ Smith and Norv in the future just isn't acceptable to him. I'm not surprised even a severely concussed can see this.

[Snoogans]

you guys finally seeing why Rivers is looking so bad yet?

no line, terrible play-calling and of course he's simply off after getting hit on almost every play



Oh and good news, Turner's call on Dielman was right on that he's fine. The guy who was left in the fucking game and then not even appropriately evaluated by the team after only to suffer a grand mal seizure....yah, well, he's not contemplating retirement early.

Perhaps it's bc Spanos, AJ Smith and Norv in the future just isn't acceptable to him. I'm not surprised even a severely concussed can see this.

when is rivers a FA? eli woulda been this year if they didnt give him that ext, did SD extend rivers or is he up soon?

[spoon]

i so want SD to lose here so people finally say this team is dead and AJ/Norv get the axe

i seriously think Spanos listens to the idiot commentators out there saying SD can win out as they have in the past and get in the mix

even if they did, which the opposite has a better shot of happening (winless), where would they go?

FIRE THEM NOW!

[spoon]

he got his extension too

09 for 6 years

[spoon]

yep, great idea to run the ball there!

wtf!?

[disneyspy]

damn good play calling and clock management norv,now get gates 18 more yards!

[spoon]

dude gates will get plenty more yards in this defensive battle!

[cougarjake13]

even if san diego wasnt playing like this why would they still have this match up ?

[disneyspy]

loving this opening drive

[spoon]

does Gruden even know what the word "best" means!?

I'm pretty sure every fucking person, scheme, player, throw, run, run stop, pass defended and anything I forget is/was the best ever in his mind. It's like listening to Tenbats explain how Mangold is first-ballot HOF, but for EVERYONE and even less deserving!

[cougarjake13]

does Gruden even know what the word "best" means!?

I'm pretty sure every fucking person, scheme, player, throw, run, run stop, pass defended and anything I forget is/was the best ever in his mind. It's like listening to Tenbats explain how Mangold is first-ballot HOF, but for EVERYONE and even less deserving!

its almost like he thinks i might have to coach this team some day so i better not say anything bad

[spoon]

its almost like he thinks i might have to coach this team some day so i better not say anything bad

yah, every fucking team and player in the league

[cougarjake13]

yah, every fucking team and player in the league

ha ya never know hes thinking about the next few yrs ... most jobs could open up

[spoon]

stop fucking making excuses for Norv

HE FUCKING LOST GAMES IN HAND!

LOST THEM

regardless of who was there or not

he made bad calls, never got full control against clearly lesser opponents and simply blew it almost every loss this year

only one, ONE game did they lose outright by being beat...against New England and it too could have been different if they decided to actually have any semblance of a game plan

[Crash]

GRUDEN: "Norv Turner is a great coach, he didn't get dumb all of a sudden!"

AAAAAAAANNNNNNNDDDDDD GO!

[Dell]

this damn jones-drew is going to kick my FFL team's ass single handed...has more than projected points with a quarter + 5 minutes to go...fuckin norv didn't have a defense with the skins either!

[spoon]

GRUDEN: "Norv Turner is a great coach, he didn't get dumb all of a sudden!"

AAAAAAAANNNNNNNDDDDDD GO!

what about his buddy...

"Norv Turner, pedal to the metal offense...hey, why not!"

CAUSE HE'S FUCKING AWFUL!


WTF do these people watch!? How long does a guy, check that, how many opportunities does a guy fucking need and fail to NOT be a great coach in these announcer's eyes!?

WTF?!

[disneyspy]

this damn jones-drew is going to kick my FFL team's ass single handed...has more than projected points with a quarter + 5 minutes to go...fuckin norv didn't have a defense with the skins either!

good!

[cougarjake13]

this damn jones-drew is going to kick my FFL team's ass single handed...has more than projected points with a quarter + 5 minutes to go...fuckin norv didn't have a defense with the skins either!

dude i got ass raped yest in my matchup cause he had chris johnson get 30, gronkowski 27 and brees had like 30 something


3 players 90 points

[spoon]

Gruden, and I'm paraphrasing, "I saw this charger team in 2001 and this isn't that team! AJ Smith and Norv Turner have done a great job here."

first off, -->:wallbash:


second, do you think Norv turned the team around? with AJ's help?

NOOOOOOOOOO!

It was a man on his death bed who also made the Bills amazing once, John Butler you ass, and Marty was the coach who got them into the winning mode...to the tune of 14-2 you ASSHOLE!

Guess what has happened since then, we lost top flight guys like Brees for NOTHING, continually put together worse seasons and now you have this putridly coached team you see before you now. They just lost SIX FUCKING GAMES IN A ROW you slut! SIX games against teams like Denver, Oakland and the amazing KC Chiefs! WTF! Just ignore he goes on this shit run every year and loses to inferiorly talented teams in the playoffs with teams he inherited?


Yet did I just hear that right!?

He needs to see progress with a rookie qb on a SHITTY team "in a hurry", yet Norv and AJ get more time!? WTF is wrong with this clown. I want NO FUCKING piece of this pos on my team EVER. Go to Miami, anywhere other than SD. He's a complete and utter idiot.

[Snoogans]

dude i got ass raped yest in my matchup cause he had chris johnson get 30, gronkowski 27 and brees had like 30 something


3 players 90 points

im in a league where i mistakenly left the default settings on points, there by fuckin the QBs into lower totals than they should have, and im lookin at the 37 point day cam newton put on my ass this week.

just to give you guys an idea, brees only had 25 in the scoring system for the league, and rodgers had 31

[Snoogans]

i think i could snap a ball closer to the target with my fuckin ball sack than that guy just did

[spoon]

oh and for those that don't know, AJ Smith, the lord of no rings, is a health/pe teacher!

yah, that's why his picks are idiotic and choices overall somehow worse

it's all predicated on an ENORMOUS ego and probably insecurity at the same time if that's possible

bottom line is, he's a fucking asshole/fool and Oakland deserves the guy

[spoon]

i think i could snap a ball closer to the target with my fuckin ball sack than that guy just did

but Gabbert needs to step up and show gruden something

all the other guys need time on this very team "thrust into starting positions early", yet Gabbert, a guy most thought would need plenty of time to be ready on a decent team, needs to show this asshole something?

it's fucking comical

[Snoogans]

but Gabbert needs to step up and show gruden something

all the other guys need time on this very team "thrust into starting positions early", yet Gabbert, a guy most thought would need plenty of time to be ready on a decent team, needs to show this asshole something?

it's fucking comical

i think ESPN knows. Its like the BCS and NCAA. They love it. They want people to bitch and moan and be pissed. Its the old Howard Stern private parts shit. The ones who liked him listened for 20 min a day, the ones that hate him listened for 2 hours.

They get off on this awful shit

[Snoogans]

and im still down 7 in fantasy. so right now id like gabbert to show me 4 straight passes to jones drew and a TD

[Snoogans]

of course they have a long way to go gruden, you fuckin dope. THEY HAVE A ROOKIE QB

[spoon]

I hope they hire Gruden to coach the Jags.

[epo]

and im still down 7 in fantasy. so right now id like gabbert to show me 4 straight passes to jones drew and a TD

I didn't even look at my team since Saturday. I'm sure it's another win for Team EPO

[epo]

Nice invalid fair catch, run the play...which then causes Quarless to take an awful injury.

Way to whitewash it Fox!

And TE Andrew Quarless is out for the season with knee surgery.

Fair catch!

[Snoogans]

And TE Andrew Quarless is out for the season with knee surgery.

Fair catch!

who? im pretty sure you guys got TE covered with out this fool

[spoon]

well that was still garbage

[Snoogans]

well that was still garbage

you gotta admit though, that snap was wonderful

[PapaBear]

you gotta admit though, that snap was wonderful
When they came back from break, I thought I heard them say something about another player being in the way of the snap, and they were going to show it in a moment. But then SD ran it in for the touchdown on 1st down, and they never showed it. Did I hear that wrong? Either way, it was a horrendously comical play.

[spoon]

here

something to make u smile

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[A.J.]

Nice win for the Norvals! :clap:

[sailor]

Nice win for the Norvals! :clap:

That was a job saving victory.

[A.J.]

And Spoon couldn't be happier.

[Snoogans]

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[Snoogans]

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[spoon]

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/lol-manning-troll.jpg

it should continue, "my coach isn't worthless and we didn't hire a Painter to be our backup!"

[Snacks]

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that is great










































and true!

[spoon]

that is great










































and true!


but incorrect

[Snacks]

but incorrect

Really? Did NE not go 11-5 without Brady? Maybe I missed something like I dont know maybe facts!

[spoon]

you know EXACTLY what I mean

I'm not having this argument AGAIN with you




to you it's cut and dry, to me, there are a plethora of other factors bc I'm not married to my opinions



sigh

[Snoogans]

you know EXACTLY what I mean

I'm not having this argument AGAIN with you




to you it's cut and dry, to me, there are a plethora of other factors bc I'm not married to my opinions



sigh
i was in the spoon camp about it not really meaning much that the pats went 11-5 without brady. But then I watched Matt Cassel play in Kansas City. He really, really sucks. And the coaching in indy is terrible and in NE its really good. But that is actually the point.

I really dont think brady would be that good without the coaching. so based on what i know now, taking out the coaches and just going Brady vs Manning, it shows manning is better. In my opinion.

[spoon]

dude, they finally put a somewhat manageable backup in for Indy last week and he lit shit up on O

I've posted the comps and dissolved all the statistical outliers people falsely think prove Manning is better. Bottom line is they are ridiculously close in terms of stats and the only thing that separates them is rings. So yah, it's up in the air overall but logically Manning loses based on the HUGE elephant in the room. go back to the argument in the NFL thread to see them, bc it's really not worth doing all over again bc snacks thinks a meme is completely true and inside it probably helps him believe more in Marino being the best w/o a ring. bottom line is, it's debatable at worst yet some think THIS year proves Manning is better without him even taking a snap bc Cassel did well. all it proves is indy's backup and coach are shit, bc they have plenty of weapons and DAN FUCKING ORLOVSKY proved it last week. As for Cassel, he won the AFC West the same way he won in NE, so how bad is he. Tebow wins in Denver, so how bad were Indy's coaches qbs?

[danlaroe]

That's a lot of reading

THE TIM TEBOW OF RONFEZV3

[Snoogans]

dude, they finally put a somewhat manageable backup in for Indy last week and he lit shit up on O

I've posted the comps and dissolved all the statistical outliers people falsely think prove Manning is better. Bottom line is they are ridiculously close in terms of stats and the only thing that separates them is rings. So yah, it's up in the air overall but logically Manning loses based on the HUGE elephant in the room. go back to the argument in the NFL thread to see them, bc it's really not worth doing all over again bc snacks thinks a meme is completely true and inside it probably helps him believe more in Marino being the best w/o a ring. bottom line is, it's debatable at worst yet some think THIS year proves Manning is better without him even taking a snap bc Cassel did well. all it proves is indy's backup and coach are shit, bc they have plenty of weapons and DAN FUCKING ORLOVSKY proved it last week. As for Cassel, he won the AFC West the same way he won in NE, so how bad is he. Tebow wins in Denver, so how bad were Indy's coaches qbs?

he lit up the worst passing defensive ive seen in a long time.

[spoon]

Really? Did NE not go 11-5 without Brady? Maybe I missed something like I dont know maybe facts!

And for the fucking record...NO, THEY DID NOT!

NE went 10-5 without Brady. Brady won the first game of the year. And most qbs would put up a few wins against the teams on their schedule that year.

Let's run them down, and remember it's 2008.

W1 Jets - finished 9-7
W2 49ers - finished 7-9 in the NFC WEST
W3 Broncos - finished 8-8 in the AFC WEST
W4 Rams - finished 2-14 in the NFC West
W5 Bills - finished 7-9
W6 Dolphins - finished 11-5 and won the division (this should tell anyone how bad the AFC East schedule was!)
W7 Seahawks - finished 4-12 in the NFC WEST
W8 Raiders - finished 5-11 in the AFC WEST
W9 Cardinals - finished 9-7 in the NFC WEST
W10 Bills - finished 7-9


Yah, they beat 3 teams over .500, 6 under (way under total) and one at it.

[spoon]

he lit up the worst passing defensive ive seen in a long time.

agreed, yet Painter wouldn't have done SHIT!

there's a reason they hired 50 year old Collins...to bad they didn't hire a coach too


they were/are completely unprepared to lose Peyton and the whole team is a mess bc of that, not so much him being the only thing that can play football any longer

how do the other teams do it w/o him!? bottom line, it's a HUGE black mark on that whole fucking coaching staff and they should be gone. Luck is in the bag now if they want him, dump those assholes now bc I can't take this Peyton love bc a team is awfully prepared in every way, on both sides of the ball. All peyton did was hide this fact and lose in the end anyway.

[Snacks]

dude, they finally put a somewhat manageable backup in for Indy last week and he lit shit up on O

I've posted the comps and dissolved all the statistical outliers people falsely think prove Manning is better. Bottom line is they are ridiculously close in terms of stats and the only thing that separates them is rings. So yah, it's up in the air overall but logically Manning loses based on the HUGE elephant in the room. go back to the argument in the NFL thread to see them, bc it's really not worth doing all over again bc snacks thinks a meme is completely true and inside it probably helps him believe more in Marino being the best w/o a ring. bottom line is, it's debatable at worst yet some think THIS year proves Manning is better without him even taking a snap bc Cassel did well. all it proves is indy's backup and coach are shit, bc they have plenty of weapons and DAN FUCKING ORLOVSKY proved it last week. As for Cassel, he won the AFC West the same way he won in NE, so how bad is he. Tebow wins in Denver, so how bad were Indy's coaches qbs?

you mean the same QB that helped Det go 0-16 also while playing against the worst def in the league and 1 of the worst pass defenses in recent history?

[Snacks]

And for the fucking record...NO, THEY DID NOT!

NE went 10-5 without Brady. Brady won the first game of the year. And most qbs would put up a few wins against the teams on their schedule that year.

Let's run them down, and remember it's 2008.

W1 Jets - finished 9-7
W2 49ers - finished 7-9 in the NFC WEST
W3 Broncos - finished 8-8 in the AFC WEST
W4 Rams - finished 2-14 in the NFC West
W5 Bills - finished 7-9
W6 Dolphins - finished 11-5 and won the division (this should tell anyone how bad the AFC East schedule was!)
W7 Seahawks - finished 4-12 in the NFC WEST
W8 Raiders - finished 5-11 in the AFC WEST
W9 Cardinals - finished 9-7 in the NFC WEST
W10 Bills - finished 7-9


Yah, they beat 3 teams over .500, 6 under (way under total) and one at it.

once again you love to argue and choose stats that will help your argument but when others do that you point it out and shit on their argument.

as for going 10-5 rather then 11-5 and giving that 1st win to Brady, you are funny. He went 7 for 11 with no tds and got hurt in the 1st half (might have even been the 1st q if I remember correctly).

NE was also coming off a 16-0 season they had the toughest schedule going into the season and the AFC east had 2 11-5 teams, a 9-7 team and 7-9 team actually one of the tougher div and the afc was much tougher then the nfc that year.

[spoon]

yep, he only started 7 games on a Defense giving up over 30 per game and he put up about 20 per in his starts

let's ignore also that HE never started before that and was forced into duty bc Kitna couldn't do shit as the qb there

teams and coaches buddy, they along with qbs win games

[spoon]

once again you love to argue and choose stats that will help your argument but when others do that you point it out and shit on their argument.

as for going 10-5 rather then 11-5 and giving that 1st win to Brady, you are funny. He went 7 for 11 with no tds and got hurt in the 1st half (might have even been the 1st q if I remember correctly).

NE was also coming off a 16-0 season they had the toughest schedule going into the season and the AFC east had 2 11-5 teams, a 9-7 team and 7-9 team actually one of the tougher div and the afc was much tougher then the nfc that year.

HA! I like to choose stats that way?! You just ripped Orlovsky for a 0-16 year in detroit as a first time starter for only 7 fucking games?! What I posted are actual stats, not just some hyperbole that you drop as pseudo facts. Sorry I don't talk in such riddle form only to have someone come in with ACTUAL STATS to rip apart your delusion. I gave you facts, you once again come at me and open up the bs factor in a debate. Here, how about some more facts versus simple bs statements.

Toughest schedule?! even more hilarious. they along with the AFC East drew the NFC and AFC West that year. They also played in a much weaker AFC East than it is today, so yah, toughest in football right? You sure you want to stick with your stat that doesn't even come CLOSE to supporting your argument?!

[danlaroe]

Point spoon for using hyperbole

THE TIM TEBOW OF RONFEZV3

[Snacks]

HA! I like to choose stats that way?! You just ripped Orlovsky for a 0-16 year in detroit as a first time starter for only 7 fucking games?! What I posted are actual stats, not just some hyperbole that you drop as pseudo facts. Sorry I don't talk in such riddle form only to have someone come in with ACTUAL STATS to rip apart your delusion. I gave you facts, you once again come at me and open up the bs factor in a debate. Here, how about some more facts versus simple bs statements.

Toughest schedule?! even more hilarious. they along with the AFC East drew the NFC and AFC West that year. They also played in a much weaker AFC East than it is today, so yah, toughest in football right? You sure you want to stick with your stat that doesn't even come CLOSE to supporting your argument?!

i said helped a team go 0-16 never said he went 0-16 you mean the same QB that helped Det go 0-16 and i use selective reading and hyperbole for pseudo facts? no i use actual facts you just dont like them. Facts are Indy has gone 0-12 and NE went 10-5 or 11-5 how about we say they went 10.5 -5 without Brady. Those are facts!

as for the schedule, i said going into the season they had the toughest schedule, you never know how it will turn out and at the end of the day NE still beat playoff teams and went 11-5 on the year. Doesnt matter if they played Jax every game which btw INDY plays twice this year. NE was also coming off a 16-0 season they had the toughest schedule going into the season

you got some nerve telling people what they use to back up their argument and stats and then try to use those against them when you are actually the one doing exactly what you are bitching about.

I will stop now because you are never wrong and everyone else is an asshole.

Now use big words and condescending comebacks, insert them below!

[danlaroe]

This is turning into the great NASCAR debate between w f and Snoogans

THE TIM TEBOW OF RONFEZV3

[Snacks]

What I find most comical about this entire argument is why you seem to defend Brady and jump at others for having a difference of opinion then yours. All I did was agree with snoogans picture which is fact based. There is no arguing that NE went 11-5 and Indy is now 0-12. Thats a fact! yet you then have to turn it into something else. Why cant others have a different opinion then yours and let it be? Why must you go into attack mode and try to shit down their opinion or likes because it doesnt fit yours? It amazes me, this happens every time.

We can think whatever we want and you can keep saying you have facts to back this or that but we will never agree. What we have to agree on is record and the records are provable facts so to me there is nothing left to argue except ones personal opinion on the subject. But those opinion basically mean nothing except to those who agree. You can like Brady, thats fine. I like Manning and to me there isnt a question on who is the better QB.

You can bring up Marino all you want it has nothing to do with him. Marino winning or not winning a SB will never change my opinion of his and to be honest most people still rank him among the greats without a ring because he was that good. Validating Manning doesnt help Marinos case and I dont do it for that reason I do it because Manning imho is the better QB. That is it nothing more and nothing less. I know you bring Marino into it to try and be funny or to get under my skin but it doesnt bother me.

[weekapaugjz]

...you got some nerve...

easy with the language, snacks.

[danlaroe]

Manning is better
Marino stinks. Fuck him and his naked fingers

THE TIM TEBOW OF RONFEZV3

[spoon]

Snacks can't even follow through on his own stands, much less understand that teams, coaches and so much more have caused this indy fallout. My argument is far from saying brady is better, it's simply that u can not claim manning is better bc of indy this year. U ignore everything but record and it's comical. Also, big words!? Wow! Hardly snacks, just topical statements. Notice shaun said it's his op and i get that and still put out my bullet points again on why its at least up for debate. Nobody came after just u, it's ur "facts" refusing to look into other factors bc they paint a completely different picture and u know it. I do find it funny as well that u accuse me of shitting on any opp other than mine as ur in the very midst of doing it yourself! All the time im not even arguing for one qb over the other, just against ur "facts". Believe what u want, if u still believe in santa it doesn't make him any more real.

[spoon]

This is turning into the great NASCAR debate between w f and Snoogans

THE TIM TEBOW OF RONFEZV3

Shut up hayseed!

[hanso]

Dropped Rivers for Young. So there go the boltz back in it.

[cougarjake13]

Vince young?

[spoon]

Dropped Rivers for Young. So there go the boltz back in it.

U realize Vick is back this week too?!

Nice pick up Gutter !

[cougarjake13]

U realize Vick is back this week too?!

Nice pick up Gutter !


Ha that was ginna be my next post

[hanso]

U realize Vick is back this week too?!

Nice pick up Gutter !

That was my season w/ no concelation games doesn't matter.

[spoon]

That was my season w/ no concelation games doesn't matter.

Huh?

[hanso]

Last ditch effort going for Young.

[PapaBear]

Last ditch effort going for Young.
What spoon is saying is, Young will do you no good this week. He's not playing.

[hanso]

What spoon is saying is, Young will do you no good this week. He's not playing.

But I'm out of the playoffs and there are no concelation games so it doesn't matter.

[PapaBear]

But I'm out of the playoffs so it doesnt matter.
A quitter never wins. And if you're a Redskin, you just get high and cost yourself millions of dollars on your next contract.

[Snoogans]

Huh?

Last ditch effort going for Young.

What spoon is saying is, Young will do you no good this week. He's not playing.

what hanso is sayin is this was last week he was talkin about. he benched rivers for young last week in an effort to win his playoff game

[spoon]

Dropped Rivers for Young. So there go the boltz back in it.

this was posted Tuesday and reads it was just done

so you can see the confusion as Hanso talks like a damn fuzzy foreigner on that one!

[Snoogans]

this was posted Tuesday and reads it was just done

so you can see the confusion as Hanso talks like a damn fuzzy foreigner on that one!

i think he was sayin like, i dropped rivers for young so it figured that the chargers scored alot monday night.

[hanso]

What I meant to say:

Ty Spoon for the heads up. I had took a break from it. But will adjust my roster in anticipation for that heated battle w/ the other bottom dweller for 11th place.

[PapaBear]

i think he was sayin like, i dropped rivers for young so it figured that the chargers scored alot monday night.
You're our new hanso interpreter. Sorry... No pay increase.

[hanso]

That's right, and now they will go to like 8-8 and make the playoffs.

[spoon]

You're our new hanso interpreter. Sorry... No pay increase.

:lol:

really

[spoon]

That's right, and now they will go to like 8-8 and make the playoffs.

ee no.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ySLUfiz_Nmc/Td-8syxwdTI/AAAAAAAABvI/W6doywAXWi8/s1600/MTS2_Qahne_1126303_02.jpg

[danlaroe]

Shut up hayseed!

I'm from Albany new York


THE TIM TEBOW OF RONFEZV3

[cougarjake13]

I'm from Albany new York


THE TIM TEBOW OF RONFEZV3


Zactly

[Crash]

Michaels called Roethlisberger "indestructible".

Believe me, I'n not questioning the guy's toughness - he's been sacked over 300 times and has proven his ability and willingness to play injured. But this is one of the most battered guys in the NFL. I can't see him playing at 35 - just from the concussions alone.

Not sure indestructible is the best description for Big Ben.

Just sayin'

[cougarjake13]

Just sayin'

its crazy

[underdog]

This game is one of the things I hate about NFL coaches.

Charlie Batch at QB, not doing anything. Cleveland has the ball at the Steelers' 43, with a 4th and 2 and they fucking punt it. It's not like they're playing for anything. Why the fuck won't a coach show any balls at all? It's just giving up. Why punt inside the 50 when the other team can't do dick on offense? Then they did it again at two minutes in the 2nd half. Just garbage.

[TripleSkeet]

This argument is STILL going on?

3 > 1
Brady > Manning

Case closed.

[spoon]

just as I did to snacks I'l put on you, it's not that simple...ever

[TripleSkeet]

just as I did to snacks I'l put on you, it's not that simple...ever

Yea well, when comparing numbers those 2 are the most important for me.

[weekapaugjz]

Yea well, when comparing numbers those 2 are the most important for me.

so mark rypien and peyton manning are equal quarterbacks and terry bradshaw is the greatest quarterback of all time then?

[PapaBear]

so mark rypien and peyton manning are equal quarterbacks and terry bradshaw is the greatest quarterback of all time then?
Why pick on Rypien? There are so many others that you could have chosen! :furious:

http://offthelakes.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/trent-dilfer.jpg

[spoon]

his point is very succinct and on target




take notice Snacks!

and by this I mean I'm defending the other side of our argument, not the succinct part bc that would be crazy from me! ha!

[weekapaugjz]

Why pick on Rypien? There are so many others that you could have chosen! :furious:

http://offthelakes.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/trent-dilfer.jpg

i could have thrown jeff hostetler or brad johnson in there too. they all suck.

but according to skeet and snacks amazing way of rating qb's, they are all better than jim kelly.

[spoon]

i could have thrown jeff hostetler or brad johnson in there too. they all suck.

but according to skeet and snacks amazing way of rating qb's, they are all better than jim kelly.

and Dan Fouts!


oh Dan Marino too...but that one is true!

:innocent:

[cougarjake13]

This argument is STILL going on?

3 > 1
Brady > Manning

Case closed.

At end of the day this is the only stat needed

[cougarjake13]

so mark rypien and peyton manning are equal quarterbacks and terry bradshaw is the greatest quarterback of all time then?



No cause career numbers wise they aren't even close but with Brady
And manning all the passing stats are somewhat close Peyton's got a
Few seasons on Brady but they're still close do u go to the tiebreaker
Which is post season success

And even if I took away super bowls won Brady's been more successful
In playoffs

[spoon]

No cause career numbers wise they aren't even close but with Brady
And manning all the passing stats are somewhat close Peyton's got a
Few seasons on Brady but they're still close do u go to the tiebreaker
Which is post season success

And even if I took away super bowls won Brady's been more successful
In playoffs

and finally we have a pretty good rundown on the two players vs here's my guy's best stat pulled out and I'm right!

[Snoogans]

i could have thrown jeff hostetler or brad johnson in there too. they all suck.

but according to skeet and snacks amazing way of rating qb's, they are all better than jim kelly.

doesnt hostetler actually have 2 rings? wasnt he simms backup in 86?

[spoon]

doesnt hostetler actually have 2 rings? wasnt he simms backup in 86?

then he just got twice as good for Tskeet!

:lol:

[cougarjake13]

then he just got twice as good for Tskeet!

:lol:



No Jeff Rutledge was the backup
Hoss was 3rd string in 86
But yeh he has both rings

[Snoogans]

No Jeff Rutledge was the backup
Hoss was 3rd string in 86

still my point is valid. he still gets a ring

[cougarjake13]

Yes sir he did

[spoon]

Yes sir he did

so stache > manning for TS?




*Sorry, the fucking Tebow avatars keep fucking me up.

[Tenbatsuzen]

At end of the day this is the only stat needed

Namath!

[Snoogans]

Namath!

FUCK THAT. im not about to put Hosstetler in the fuckin HOF

[Snacks]

FUCK THAT. im not about to put Hosstetler in the fuckin HOF

he probably has better stats then namath.

[HBox]

So if we are including backups, does that mean Matt Cassel is better than Manning too? Did Bradshaw have the same backup all those years? Does that make him tied for greatest QB of all time?

I also think we are forgetting all those non-Qbs on the winning teams who threw passes on trick plays in the Super Bowl. They are all as good as Manning too.

[cougarjake13]

Dude no one is counting back ups
Hostetler was the qb in that 2nd giants super bowl Simms was hurt
Jokingly were talkin bout him having a 2nd ring bein a 3rd stringer in86

[Tenbatsuzen]

Drew Bledsoe has a ring with NE, but even as a second stringer, he earned his by QBing the AFC Championship game.

[TripleSkeet]

Ok Im gonna explain it like this.

No you cant even compare QBs like Hostetler or Dilfer to Marino because their career numbers are SOOOO lopsided.

But when comparing QBs with similar numbers, especially when they competed against each other often, the number of wins is the biggest topper. And no win is bigger then a Super Bowl win.

Not only did Brady win more Super Bowls then Manning, but usually he beat Manning to get there. Much like Montana did to Elway and Marino.

Also, Terry Bradshaw was fucking underrated as a QB because his defense was just incredibly better then anyone else in the leagues back then.

[Snacks]

Ok Im gonna explain it like this.

No you cant even compare QBs like Hostetler or Dilfer to Marino because their career numbers are SOOOO lopsided.

But when comparing QBs with similar numbers, especially when they competed against each other often, the number of wins is the biggest topper. And no win is bigger then a Super Bowl win.

Not only did Brady win more Super Bowls then Manning, but usually he beat Manning to get there. Much like Montana did to Elway and Marino.

Also, Terry Bradshaw was fucking underrated as a QB because his defense was just incredibly better then anyone else in the leagues back then.


I will just comment on whats bold to prove you are wrong. Marino has 21,000 more yard then Montana and 150 more TDs (250 y/g compared to 210). So the argument that you are going by "QBs with similar numbers" isnt true. Their TEAMS played each other, entire teams not just the QBs . SF had much better total package teams. Miami had no running game and no defense. SF had 1 of the better defenses during their 10 year run, great rbs and great wrs / te's. Also at a time when the NFC dominated the AFC with what 10 or 12 straight SB wins? Oh lets not forget SF also had 1 of the greatest coaches ever who changed the way the game was played!

[spoon]

Ok Im gonna explain it like this.

No you cant even compare QBs like Hostetler or Dilfer to Marino because their career numbers are SOOOO lopsided.

But when comparing QBs with similar numbers, especially when they competed against each other often, the number of wins is the biggest topper. And no win is bigger then a Super Bowl win.

Not only did Brady win more Super Bowls then Manning, but usually he beat Manning to get there. Much like Montana did to Elway and Marino.

Also, Terry Bradshaw was fucking underrated as a QB because his defense was just incredibly better then anyone else in the leagues back then.


Simpsons did it!




I meant CJ already did it!

[spoon]

Philly Rules! (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Philadelphia-fans-made-fiancee-of-Eagles-rookie-;_ylt=AtGNyo7RJLR2NSKF_VfXL7tDubYF?urn=nfl-wp13514)

Seriously, that's hilarious. Be glad they didn't puke on you.

[cougarjake13]

Or throw snowballs

[spoon]

Or throw snowballs

batteries are better

[Judge Smails]

I also think we are forgetting all those non-Qbs on the winning teams who threw passes on trick plays in the Super Bowl. They are all as good as Manning too.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfun0ebmCM1qay78vo1_400.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

I will just comment on whats bold to prove you are wrong. Marino has 21,000 more yard then Montana and 150 more TDs (250 y/g compared to 210). So the argument that you are going by "QBs with similar numbers" isnt true. Their TEAMS played each other, entire teams not just the QBs . SF had much better total package teams. Miami had no running game and no defense. SF had 1 of the better defenses during their 10 year run, great rbs and great wrs / te's. Also at a time when the NFC dominated the AFC with what 10 or 12 straight SB wins? Oh lets not forget SF also had 1 of the greatest coaches ever who changed the way the game was played!

Yet if polled from players and football experts from back then and now none of them would put Marino as the better QB. Yards are a fucking joke. This isnt fantasy football. In the last 2 weeks I think 3 QBs put up 400 yard games, Im pretty sure all of them lost. I know 1 of them did definitely.

[TripleSkeet]

Philly Rules! (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Philadelphia-fans-made-fiancee-of-Eagles-rookie-;_ylt=AtGNyo7RJLR2NSKF_VfXL7tDubYF?urn=nfl-wp13514)

Seriously, that's hilarious. Be glad they didn't puke on you.

This story came up on WIP today. Witnesses who were right there have said its complete bullshit. Yea she cried, but it wasnt from people harrassing her. Most of them didnt know she was Casey Matthews fiance or even said anything to her. From what the people in her section said, Mathews got beat on an end around play by Brandon Jacobs of all people, a guy with the speed of my grandmother, and the fans started booing and just screaming shit out like "You fucking suck Mathews" and hearing that made her cry.

Im betting thats not the story she told him though.

Fuck him anyway. Some of the guys on this team like him, Jason Kelce etc. need to shut the fuck up about the fans when they are playing like such dogshit. IN PHILLY WE DONT CHEER YOU WHEN YOU PLAY LIKE A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS. Why is that so hard to understand for these guys??? Funny thing is, you never hear guys like Brent Celek, Cullen Jenkins or Shady McCoy bitching about the fans, and those are the guys that actually show the fuck up to play every week.

[cougarjake13]

If I was her I woulda booed him too if he got beat by jacobs

[Snacks]

Yet if polled from players and football experts from back then and now none of them would put Marino as the better QB. Yards are a fucking joke. This isnt fantasy football. In the last 2 weeks I think 3 QBs put up 400 yard games, Im pretty sure all of them lost. I know 1 of them did definitely.

Yeah because football play today and passing offenses today are similar to back then? If Marino played today he would be throwing for 400-500 yards weekly in this shitty new NFL. NFL actually had fair rules for the defense and rbs actually mattered.

[cougarjake13]

And I think overall there's been like 10 plus 400 yd games this yr already and usually you're lucky if there's 3 to 5
And the 300 yd games are fucking astronomical also

Biggest point is you have 3 qbs ( Brady brees and Rodgers ) who all have a legitimate shot at Marinos record

[Snacks]

And I think overall there's been like 10 plus 400 yd games this yr already and usually you're lucky if there's 3 to 5
And the 300 yd games are fucking astronomical also

Biggest point is you have 3 qbs ( Brady brees and Rodgers ) who all have a legitimate shot at Marinos record

exactly and there has been at least 1 maybe 2, 500 yard games this year and Henne and Cam Newton (a fucking rookie) both have 400 yard passing games.

the fact that in 25 years no one got even slightly close to that record til the new rules. the closest anyone got before brees did 2 years ago and before the rules changed was Warner in 2001 with 4830 yards which is a legitimate try because these new shitty def rules werent in place. Before that, it was Marino himself in 1986 and before that the record was Fouts in 1981 with 4800 which was the record Marino beat by almost 400 yards with no rule changes or help.

So in 27 years since Marino broke the record only 1 guy under similar rules came even close and that was Warner in 2001. Since the rules started to change around 04 or 05 there have been 6 guys who have come within 400 yards plus at least 3 more this year!

Brees will be close again but none of them are locks. Early on around week 10 or so there were 8 guys on pace to break Marinos rec. Now its down to 3 and Brees needs to avg 265 yards/game, Brady needs around 290 per game and Rodgers needs around 310 per game. So all 3 can do it and Brees is by far in the best position but 1 bad game by any one of them can prevent it. Brees will really be trying after coming up a few yards short a couple of years ago.

Rodgers is only 13 TDs away from the TD record. That will be tough but hes got a shot he needs just over 3 TDs a game. I hope he gets it!

[epo]

Yeah because football play today and passing offenses today are similar to back then? If Marino played today he would be throwing for 400-500 yards weekly in this shitty new NFL. NFL actually had fair rules for the defense and rbs actually mattered.

Marino could throw for 600 yards a game, but he still wouldn't win a Super Bowl.

Laces OUT Dan!

[Kevin]

Marino could throw for 600 yards a game, but he still wouldn't win a Super Bowl.

Laces OUT Dan!

Running games are for jews and faggots

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/dan-marino/pictures/dan-marino-picture-3.jpg

[Snacks]

Marino could throw for 600 yards a game, but he still wouldn't win a Super Bowl.

Laces OUT Dan!

If Marino played in todays nfl he might have won 3 or 4 sbs because it seems like defenses dont matter. all you have to do is have enough offense to outscore the other teams shitty defense.

[underdog]

If Marino played in todays nfl he might have won 3 or 4 sbs because it seems like defenses dont matter. all you have to do is have enough offense to outscore the other teams shitty defense.

Until you get to the playoffs.

[TripleSkeet]

Until you get to the playoffs.

Exactly.

[Kevin]

If Marino played in todays nfl he might have won 3 or 4 sbs because it seems like defenses dont matter. all you have to do is have enough offense to outscore the other teams shitty defense.

Marino wouldn't win 3 4 Gray cups let alone SBs.

The last total power Off team to win were the Rams.

The Packer D last year was far better than the D this year.

They lost some guys to FA and injuries.

They may win it this year, but if they don't the D will be the reason.

[Snoogans]

If Marino played in todays nfl he might have won 3 or 4 sbs because it seems like defenses dont matter. all you have to do is have enough offense to outscore the other teams shitty defense.

i think this is completely wrong. He prob woulda put up better stats. But the first time he had to go play in snow and wind in the NE in january, or some place like that, he would be FUCKED without a running game. besides, he is dan marino. a life long failure.

and i laugh about all the people who say guys back then didnt have the pieces. their was no cap, go out and buy the fuckin pieces. Oh wait, they couldnt, cause selfish ass dan marino took all their money and checked into passes every chance he could.

He is a faggot and he wouldnt even win a fuckin Grey Cup

[Snacks]

i think this is completely wrong. He prob woulda put up better stats. But the first time he had to go play in snow and wind in the NE in january, or some place like that, he would be FUCKED without a running game. besides, he is dan marino. a life long failure.

and i laugh about all the people who say guys back then didnt have the pieces. their was no cap, go out and buy the fuckin pieces. Oh wait, they couldnt, cause selfish ass dan marino took all their money and checked into passes every chance he could.

He is a faggot and he wouldnt even win a fuckin Grey Cup

then why were the nyg shit for so many years? what was their excuses? not every team can win or get over the hump. miami went to the playoffs almost every season Marino was there, he is 1 of the winning-est players ever and went to multiple afc title games and a super bowl. he didnt win, oh well but dont make it seem like miami was shit. the giants were a joke for years til they finally turned their team around in the early to mid 80s.

[Kevin]

nevermid mis read.

[Snoogans]

then why were the nyg shit for so many years? what was their excuses? not every team can win or get over the hump. miami went to the playoffs almost every season Marino was there, he is 1 of the winning-est players ever and went to multiple afc title games and a super bowl. he didnt win, oh well but dont make it seem like miami was shit. the giants were a joke for years til they finally turned their team around in the early to mid 80s.

the giants were shit cause the owner was stupid. but im not sitting here making excuses for why the giants lost. this point you make has no validity. you are sayin marino woulda won. i pointed out why the reasons he didnt win are BS.

I never said the giants shoulda won 30 SBs

[Snacks]

the giants were shit cause the owner was stupid. but im not sitting here making excuses for why the giants lost. this point you make has no validity. you are sayin marino woulda won. i pointed out why the reasons he didnt win are BS.

I never said the giants shoulda won 30 SBs

all i was saying was back then you needed a defense now defense seems to no matter for the most part.

[epo]

all i was saying was back then you needed a defense now defense seems to no matter for the most part.

Defensive rankings:

Super Bowl XLV: Green Bay - 9th
Super Bowl XLIV: New Orleans - 11th
Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh - 8th

Should I go back further or can we agree that you "generally" need a Top 10-ish defense & a solid offense to survive in the playoffs?

And come on, if I wanted to at least GO to the Super Bowl and have a shot...I'd have Jim Kelly on my team over Marino.

[Snoogans]

Defensive rankings:

Super Bowl XLV: Green Bay - 9th
Super Bowl XLIV: New Orleans - 11th
Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh - 8th

Should I go back further or can we agree that you "generally" need a Top 10-ish defense & a solid offense to survive in the playoffs?

And come on, if I wanted to at least GO to the Super Bowl and have a shot...I'd have Jim Kelly on my team over Marino.

HA. even frank riech was more clutch

[Snacks]

Defensive rankings:

Super Bowl XLV: Green Bay - 9th
Super Bowl XLIV: New Orleans - 11th
Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh - 8th

Should I go back further or can we agree that you "generally" need a Top 10-ish defense & a solid offense to survive in the playoffs?

And come on, if I wanted to at least GO to the Super Bowl and have a shot...I'd have Jim Kelly on my team over Marino.

again a top 10 defense now isnt what a top 10 defense was back then. meaning green bays #9 defense from last year might have been a 25th ranked defense back in the 80s or 90s.

GB was ranked 9th among 26 or 27 shit defenses. SD was ranked 1st last year right? how good was their defense? please its not even the same. Lets compare SDs def vs Balt of 2000 or Chicago of 85. yeah they are very close and comparable. Fucking stupid argument right there.

[epo]

again a top 10 defense now isnt what a top 10 defense was back then. meaning green bays #9 defense from last year might have been a 25th ranked defense back in the 80s or 90s.

GB was ranked 9th among 26 or 27 shit defenses. SD was ranked 1st last year right? how good was their defense? please its not even the same. Lets compare SDs def vs Balt of 2000 or Chicago of 85. yeah they are very close and comparable. Fucking stupid argument right there.

Gee Grandma Snacks, can us tell me about the days that Larry Csonka would just rub mud on his injured knee?

[Snacks]

Gee Grandma Snacks, can us tell me about the days that Larry Csonka would just rub mud on his injured knee?

i think you are older then me!

lets see your boy rodgers play against the 85 bears and do what hes doing this year with those rules. wouldnt happen and you know it!

[TripleSkeet]

If Marino played in todays nfl he might have won 3 or 4 sbs because it seems like defenses dont matter. all you have to do is have enough offense to outscore the other teams shitty defense.

Ok explain to me one thing. If the above statement is true, why is it the guy thats on pace to break all his records could barely win 1 in todays NFL?

[epo]

i think you are older then me!

lets see your boy rodgers play against the 85 bears and do what hes doing this year with those rules. wouldnt happen and you know it!

What about that time that Mercury Morris was high on coke and Miami actually won playoff games?

Those sounded like great times!

[Snacks]

Ok explain to me one thing. If the above statement is true, why is it the guy thats on pace to break all his records could barely win 1 in todays NFL?

what?

[underdog]

Gee Grandma Snacks, can us tell me about the days that Larry Csonka would just rub mud on his injured knee?

:lol:

[Kevin]

i think you are older then me!

lets see your boy rodgers play against the 85 bears and do what hes doing this year with those rules. wouldn't happen and you know it!

Rodgers and this Receiving core could put up 25+ pts on that bears D.

I don't think there were many TEs like Finley around back then...

[weekapaugjz]

And come on, if I wanted to at least GO to the Super Bowl and have a shot...I'd have Jim Kelly on my team over Marino.

:highfive:

[spoon]

again a top 10 defense now isnt what a top 10 defense was back then. meaning green bays #9 defense from last year might have been a 25th ranked defense back in the 80s or 90s.

GB was ranked 9th among 26 or 27 shit defenses. SD was ranked 1st last year right? how good was their defense? please its not even the same. Lets compare SDs def vs Balt of 2000 or Chicago of 85. yeah they are very close and comparable. Fucking stupid argument right there.

Jesus Snacks, things change and having a top 10 d with the offenses each of the teams epo listed is killer. Sd was ranked 1 in both passing and rushing in yardage, not scoring. Also, they allowed teams to take it to mid-field on almost every fucking kickoff/punt, and to the house almost every week too. Try looking deeper than just stats. There isn't one fucking person that actually watches football that put SD as the best d if they paid attention at all.

Not one person compared the D for two eras either. Yet I LOVE how you pull an anomaly like SD last year and compare them to arguably the best D's EVER! You honestly don't think that's a little extreme an example...especially since Marino just started in 83 and retired before 2000? I guess that's semantics, but there is a point in there in how you selected your d to use in the example, and then SD of all d's for our era.

[Snacks]

Jesus Snacks, things change and having a top 10 d with the offenses each of the teams epo listed is killer. Sd was ranked 1 in both passing and rushing in yardage, not scoring. Also, they allowed teams to take it to mid-field on almost every fucking kickoff/punt, and to the house almost every week too. Try looking deeper than just stats. There isn't one fucking person that actually watches football that put SD as the best d if they paid attention at all.

Not one person compared the D for two eras either. Yet I LOVE how you pull an anomaly like SD last year and compare them to arguably the best D's EVER! You honestly don't think that's a little extreme an example...especially since Marino just started in 83 and retired before 2000? I guess that's semantics, but there is a point in there in how you selected your d to use in the example, and then SD of all d's for our era.

I agree with this thats my point. Showing that GB was ranked 9th last year didnt prove anything about having a good def wins championships becuase they didnt have a good def compared to what was considered a good def in years past, that was my point.

I didnt just randomly pull SD out and throw them in the argument. I compared the def because we were comparing QBs from different eras why was that not good to bring up? Because it was SD and they did shit? I dont see why that wasnt relevant to you or acceptable to you! Maybe if you brought it up in a discussion it would be!
I was using the fact that they were ranked #1 last year which meant shit. Def now a days means nothing because no one plays it and we were comparing it to back then when def was important and not handcuffed by stupid rules. Marino played from 83 -1999 so its not semantics. Did Marino play against the bears def? Do most people fell that they or the 2000 balt def were the best ever? My point was look at what he did against the bears now lets see rodgers actually do that against a def as good or similar. wont happen and cant happen because you can and will never be able to see defenses that good again.

I just love when you bring up comparisons everything is fine and we should all go along but when others do its not good and they need to be nitpicked. Do you think a 9th ranked def compares to a 9th ranked def 15 years ago? Of course not. There will always be a team ranked 1st but 1st in todays football means shit.

[underdog]

I was going to argue how players now are so much faster, stronger and bigger than those old great defensive players and I looked up Vince Wilfork and The Refrigerator to show this comparison, and they're apparently the exact same size.

So my point sucks, apparently.

[spoon]

I agree with this thats my point. Showing that GB was ranked 9th last year didnt prove anything about having a good def wins championships becuase they didnt have a good def compared to what was considered a good def in years past, that was my point.

I didnt just randomly pull SD out and throw them in the argument. I compared the def because we were comparing QBs from different eras why was that not good to bring up? Because it was SD and they did shit? I dont see why that wasnt relevant to you or acceptable to you! Maybe if you brought it up in a discussion it would be!
I was using the fact that they were ranked #1 last year which meant shit. Def now a days means nothing because no one plays it and we were comparing it to back then when def was important and not handcuffed by stupid rules. Marino played from 83 -1999 so its not semantics. Did Marino play against the bears def? Do most people fell that they or the 2000 balt def were the best ever? My point was look at what he did against the bears now lets see rodgers actually do that against a def as good or similar. wont happen and cant happen because you can and will never be able to see defenses that good again.

I just love when you bring up comparisons everything is fine and we should all go along but when others do its not good and they need to be nitpicked. Do you think a 9th ranked def compares to a 9th ranked def 15 years ago? Of course not. There will always be a team ranked 1st but 1st in todays football means shit.


you don't see why but I posted it

i can't help you if you think pulling two top defenses of all-time, one of which didn't even play in Marino's career, and compare it to the defense of SD last year which was clearly an anomaly. either you don't read or fail to give a fuck what anyone else posts. your comparisons are complete bullshit, no matter how often you try to throw it back on me. is the impact and importance of defense different right now, sure. yet you DRASTICALLY overstate the impact on the wonder boy's record, which is all but gone and should be.

the funny thing is, you always seem to be on the side of your guy right? I have no dog in this fight unless you think I'm mad Marino took out Fouts record!? however, Fouts played in a MUCH TOUGHER defensive era in which a balanced attack was needed and holding was called a lot. so to me Fouts is still clearly the best bc Marino had it so much easier.

[Snacks]

I was going to argue how players now are so much faster, stronger and bigger than those old great defensive players and I looked up Vince Wilfork and The Refrigerator to show this comparison, and they're apparently the exact same size.

So my point sucks, apparently.

do you know how surprised people are when they realize how much smaller the fridge was then they thought? he wasnt that big.

[Kevin]

I was going to argue how players now are so much faster, stronger and bigger than those old great defensive players and I looked up Vince Wilfork and The Refrigerator to show this comparison, and they're apparently the exact same size.

So my point sucks, apparently.

Size yes maybe but I think Wilfork is a much better athlete than Fridge ever was.

Same with the WRs these days.

Hell TEs like Finley Gronk and other woulld prob be elite WRs those days.

[Snacks]

you don't see why but I posted it

i can't help you if you think pulling two top defenses of all-time, one of which didn't even play in Marino's career, and compare it to the defense of SD last year which was clearly an anomaly. either you don't read or fail to give a fuck what anyone else posts. your comparisons are complete bullshit, no matter how often you try to throw it back on me. is the impact and importance of defense different right now, sure. yet you DRASTICALLY overstate the impact on the wonder boy's record, which is all but gone and should be.

the funny thing is, you always seem to be on the side of your guy right? I have no dog in this fight unless you think I'm mad Marino took out Fouts record!? however, Fouts played in a MUCH TOUGHER defensive era in which a balanced attack was needed and holding was called a lot. so to me Fouts is still clearly the best bc Marino had it so much easier.

yep you got me:surrender:

[Snacks]

Size yes maybe but I think Wilfork is a much better athlete than Fridge ever was.

Same with the WRs these days.

Hell TEs like Finley Gronk and other woulld prob be elite WRs those days.

True, Winslow, Gonzo and Sharpe were really the 1st athletic hybrids where wr meets te. back before the 90s great te were more like def end that could catch and block like ozzie newsome, green, ditka, mackey etc.

Who will go down as the greatest te ever? I always though sharpe but gonzo has become one of the best pass catchers ever and could be talked about as a top 10 wr so maybe its gonzo.

[sailor]

i think you are older then me!

oh, literal snacks!

[spoon]

True, Winslow, Gonzo and Sharpe were really the 1st athletic hybrids where wr meets te. back before the 90s great te were more like def end that could catch and block like ozzie newsome, green, ditka, mackey etc.

Who will go down as the greatest te ever? I always though sharpe but gonzo has become one of the best pass catchers ever and could be talked about as a top 10 wr so maybe its gonzo.

just for you snacks

Winslow (sr) and a close second Gates

Gonzo was obviously playing in an easy era for TEs and Sharpe clearly had better weapons to work with

:lol:

[TripleSkeet]

what?

Im talking about Peyton Manning. Who was basically the Marino of this generation of QBs. Hes won 1 ring, and hes pretty much put up Marino type numbers his whole career. If Marino wouldve won 3-4, shouldnt Manning have done the same?

[Snacks]

Im talking about Peyton Manning. Who was basically the Marino of this generation of QBs. Hes won 1 ring, and hes pretty much put up Marino type numbers his whole career. If Marino wouldve won 3-4, shouldnt Manning have done the same?

Mannings career is still on going. He has 1 and has been there 2 times.

[Kevin]

Im talking about Peyton Manning. Who was basically the Marino of this generation of QBs. Hes won 1 ring, and hes pretty much put up Marino type numbers his whole career. If Marino wouldve won 3-4, shouldnt Manning have done the same?

You have to be fair, if Marino wasn't kidnapped by Einhorn he would have beaten your Eagles in that SuperBowl.

[Snacks]

just for you snacks

Winslow (sr) and a close second Gates

Gonzo was obviously playing in an easy era for TEs and Sharpe clearly had better weapons to work with

:lol:

yeah b/c I only defend my fav team and only rank their players the best?

That would be Epo, he defends everything Wisconsin and thinks they are the greatest in every sport and have the best players.

[cougarjake13]

yeah b/c I only defend my fav team and only rank their players the best?

That would be Epo, he defends everything Wisconsin and thinks they are the greatest in every sport and have the best players.



Pre 1980 maybe

[TripleSkeet]

You have to be fair, if Marino wasn't kidnapped by Einhorn he would have beaten your Eagles in that SuperBowl.

I thought he did anyway!

[TripleSkeet]

Mannings career is still on going. He has 1 and has been there 2 times.

Getting there means dick. Ask Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkenton.

[Kevin]

I thought he did anyway!

No they cut it in halftime when Ace and the mascot started fighting.

I just assume Marino lost.

[newport king]

Youve got to be kidding me calling a personal foul on London Fletcher against Brady. They really go WAY overboard trying to protect him

[epo]

yeah b/c I only defend my fav team and only rank their players the best?

That would be Epo, he defends everything Wisconsin and thinks they are the greatest in every sport and have the best players.

Obviously that's what I do.

Stop crying. Marino was a loser stat-whore who never won a Super Bowl.

He's also fucking terrible on CBS' pre-game show. His best attribute was pitching Isotoner gloves.

[underdog]

Youve got to be kidding me calling a personal foul on London Fletcher against Brady. They really go WAY overboard trying to protect him


You can't hit a qb once they're in the slide. It's probably impossible to change your momentum, but the refs will call that every time

[spoon]

wow, I've NEVER seen anything like this!

how is Haley not tossed yet is beyond me?

he really should just leave

this drive is completely penalty driven! (81 yards and no real good offensive play)



*until this td to plex

[TripleSkeet]

You can't hit a qb once they're in the slide. It's probably impossible to change your momentum, but the refs will call that every time


The problem is they explained it was called for a forearm to the head which was clearly nowhere near his head. The refs this whole game have been horrendous with these roughing calls. This new pussy NFL is really fucking annoying. These guys are the size or grizzly bears and they expect them to play like like it's faggot flag football.

Also, I'm playing Gronkowski in fantasy playoffs and I'm convinced him and Brady are fucking. I hope he breaks his leg Theismann style and never plays again after how he's Fucking my team like this today.

[underdog]

wow, I've NEVER seen anything like this!

how is Haley not tossed yet is beyond me?

he really should just leave

this drive is completely penalty driven! (81 yards and no real good offensive play)



*until this td to plex


Those pass interference calls were kind of bullshit.

[spoon]

Youve got to be kidding me calling a personal foul on London Fletcher against Brady. They really go WAY overboard trying to protect him

you should have seen the one on Sanchez, he was bumped while releasing...15 yards!

[Snoogans]

and then thats not roughin against the jets.

What the fuck are even the rules for it anymore?

[Dan 'Hampton]

The Pats don't have a defense. They have Vince Wilfork and 10 guys trying to let Brady rest a little.

[spoon]

to give you an example of the bs going on, now Palko got smoked with a lowered head and laid out after a toss with plenty of time to pull up, no call

so bad that the chiefs got another 15 yarder against them bc McClain yelled at the ref who just calls it one way. so now he AND their coach have 15 yarders against them for calling out the refs. I honestly have never seen it this bad and I've seen plenty bs against the Brady/Mannings of the world (meaning when you play the NFL wonder boys). Here the game is over and it's only getting worse!? I don't get it? Someone bet the over and know KC can't score even if you put them on the 1?

[spoon]

This new pussy NFL is really fucking annoying. These guys are the size or grizzly bears and they expect them to play like like it's faggot flag football.



this about sums it all up

now we deal with different levels with different refs and any time you give refs more power you suffer

[newport king]

So is this week when HE doesn't perform a miracle? Chicago D is pretty good.

[newport king]

This Jets/Chiefs game sounds ridiculous. I havent watched. And if it doesnt happen on Redzone, it didnt happen.

[underdog]

This Jets/Chiefs game sounds ridiculous. I havent watched. And if it doesnt happen on Redzone, it didnt happen.

It's pretty awful.

[newport king]

Hey Titans, you might want to put a man on Colston. He's ran by your defense twice now

[newport king]

Is this NE qb coach out of his mind? Keep your mouth shut. Brady isnt some 2nd year player.