2011-12 NFL Season

[TripleSkeet]

and he is also their greatest QB ever. I guess Philly fans are so used to winning super bowls and championships that they can be arrogant. Oh wait sorry we are talking about philly right? My mistake they are one of the worse sports city's in the country and Im not saying that because their fans are assholes but because they have 4 major sports franchise and never win anything. But lucky for all of us they now won a World Series and we get to hear 50 years of wanting to brag finally come out!

I always find it amazing how Eagles fans shit on McNabb for "not winning the Super Bowl" yet he's the only fucking reason they made it in 2004.

Let's not forget his QB rating for the divisional/championship games were both over 110 without Terrell Owens. McNabb proceeded to have an average Super Bowl and T.O. immediately threw him under the bus.

History is funny like that.

Again I dont get why its so important to fans of other cities that we love Donovan McNabb. What did you guys co-sign a loan for this fucking guy? He got cheered here forever, but alot of city doesnt like his personality. Why is that hard to understand? He gets his feeling hurt. He whines. He talented as all hell but hes not a leader. These are traits that are not going to get you love in Philly. Sorry. And Im not making this stuff up. This comes from former teammates. Not just TO but guys like Ike Reese, Jeremiah Trotter and Hugh Douglas.

You can act like McNabb carried that team to the Super Bowl all you want. But the bottom line is TO turned this offense from good to great. He brought swagger and confidence to a team that even though had made it to 3 NFC title games, didnt have any. Clinching home field throughout the playoffs by Week 13 had alot to do with TO and alot to do with the Eagles making to the Super Bowl. Sorry but McNabb is not getting all the credit for that.

Its like Mike Schmidt in the 70s. He was a great player but didnt have the personality or leadership to win a title. Then Pete Rose walked in. Ask either of them and they both will tell you Pete Rose pushed Mike Schmidt to become a champion. Thats why years later Pete is just as beloved if not more then Schmidt is in this city.

Again if you guys love him so much, call your GM and ask HIM to get McNabb to come play for YOUR team. The opinions here arent gonna change. By the way, Matt Schaub is the greatest quarterback ever to play for Houston. Does that mean they should keep him on the team until hes ready to retire or are they allowed to go get someone else if they feel hes not getting the job done without having fans of other teams cry about it?

[epo]

Again if you guys love him so much, call your GM and ask HIM to get McNabb to come play for YOUR team.

Nope. My team has a better QB than any of that garbage Philadelphia has ever had.

[TripleSkeet]

Nope. My team has a better QB than any of that garbage Philadelphia has ever had.

Wow. I put Rodgers up there as a good QB. But I think youre jumping the gun a little bit there.

[epo]

Wow. I put Rodgers up there as a good QB. But I think youre jumping the gun a little bit there.

Who have the Eagles ever had at QB who was good?

[epo]

And to "low play" my Rodgers hand, he's clearly better than Vick, McNabb or Kolb so why would I ever ask my GM to trade for any of them?

[PapaBear]

Who have the Eagles ever had at QB who was good?
http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/photo_galleries/630x536/Jurgensen_sonny_phi_321_12_.jpg

[epo]

Get real, he's a Redskin.

Philly threw him away.

[PapaBear]

Get real, he's a Redskin.

Philly threw him away.
Oh, I know. But he did have one really good year there.

[spoon]

Again I dont get why its so important to fans of other cities that we love Donovan McNabb. What did you guys co-sign a loan for this fucking guy? He got cheered here forever, but alot of city doesnt like his personality. Why is that hard to understand? He gets his feeling hurt. He whines. He talented as all hell but hes not a leader. These are traits that are not going to get you love in Philly. Sorry. And Im not making this stuff up. This comes from former teammates. Not just TO but guys like Ike Reese, Jeremiah Trotter and Hugh Douglas.

You can act like McNabb carried that team to the Super Bowl all you want. But the bottom line is TO turned this offense from good to great. He brought swagger and confidence to a team that even though had made it to 3 NFC title games, didnt have any. Clinching home field throughout the playoffs by Week 13 had alot to do with TO and alot to do with the Eagles making to the Super Bowl. Sorry but McNabb is not getting all the credit for that.



So wait TS, swagger changed this team to get to the SB but couldn't be enough to win it all. He was the leader that led them to the SB even though he never played in the playoffs? TO doesn't do shit without McNabb and he was the WR McNabb never fucking had. It's that fact that made the team that much better, just as ADDING Rose to Schmidt put the Phils over the top versus coming up short in the end. It's an additive effect and I guess the first guy there suffers by the myopic short memory filled Philly fan base in the end. Clinching by week 13 and all the other championship games DEFINITELY included McNabb, while TO jumped on a good ship as the missing piece for a shot to win. Sorry, but TO is not getting the credit ALONE for that, McNabb was HUGE in those years before TO with dogshit, and even bigger with TO that year.

[spoon]

Nope. My team has a better QB than any of that garbage Philadelphia has ever had.

Same here!

Now coach, I'll trade with the Wilkes-Barre, PA Mini Mohawks right now if I could!

[PapaBear]

Now coach, I'll trade with the Wilkes-Barre, PA Mini Mohawks right now if I could!
Maybe you can pick up Jim Zorn!

[hanso]

Pat White got the shit kicked out of him during a late season appearance. Knocked the fuck out concussion. He was not a big fan of becoming a WR before because he didn't want to get laid out going over the middle, and when he was told he had to convert or not be in the NFL anymore, he said fuck it and went back to baseball.

Concussions are not something to fuck around with. Wayne Chrebet basically admitted on the air a few years ago he knows he's fucked in the head because of them.

Sports teams seem to be putting more onus on them lately. Jason Witten looks like he might be ok and play.

I'm going with 2 tds for Finley and 2 more for Jackson! :thumbup:

I'm gonna go with Devin Aromashodu getting them all. As i will not be playing him this week.

[Snacks]

Again I dont get why its so important to fans of other cities that we love Donovan McNabb. What did you guys co-sign a loan for this fucking guy? He got cheered here forever, but alot of city doesnt like his personality. Why is that hard to understand? He gets his feeling hurt. He whines. He talented as all hell but hes not a leader. These are traits that are not going to get you love in Philly. Sorry. And Im not making this stuff up. This comes from former teammates. Not just TO but guys like Ike Reese, Jeremiah Trotter and Hugh Douglas.

You can act like McNabb carried that team to the Super Bowl all you want. But the bottom line is TO turned this offense from good to great. He brought swagger and confidence to a team that even though had made it to 3 NFC title games, didnt have any. Clinching home field throughout the playoffs by Week 13 had alot to do with TO and alot to do with the Eagles making to the Super Bowl. Sorry but McNabb is not getting all the credit for that.

Its like Mike Schmidt in the 70s. He was a great player but didnt have the personality or leadership to win a title. Then Pete Rose walked in. Ask either of them and they both will tell you Pete Rose pushed Mike Schmidt to become a champion. Thats why years later Pete is just as beloved if not more then Schmidt is in this city.

Again if you guys love him so much, call your GM and ask HIM to get McNabb to come play for YOUR team. The opinions here arent gonna change. By the way, Matt Schaub is the greatest quarterback ever to play for Houston. Does that mean they should keep him on the team until hes ready to retire or are they allowed to go get someone else if they feel hes not getting the job done without having fans of other teams cry about it?

So the man who is booed from day 1 and never got a fair shake in Philly cant whine but the philly fans whine like bitches more then any fan base out there!

As for the super bowl. TO is one of my fav WR of all time and think he gets a bad rap and I blame Mcnabb equally for their problems. That being said he missed the entire playoff run and didnt play until the Super Bowl. So how can you say it was because of TO? Once again the guy doesnt get the credit wow!:wallbash:

[spoon]

Sports teams seem to be putting more onus on them lately. Jason Witten looks like he might be ok and play.



I'm gonna go with Devin Aromashodu getting them all. As i will not be playing him this week.

You take that back! I have him too and he's going on my bench as well! :furious:

[TripleSkeet]

So wait TS, swagger changed this team to get to the SB but couldn't be enough to win it all. He was the leader that led them to the SB even though he never played in the playoffs? TO doesn't do shit without McNabb and he was the WR McNabb never fucking had. It's that fact that made the team that much better, just as ADDING Rose to Schmidt put the Phils over the top versus coming up short in the end. It's an additive effect and I guess the first guy there suffers by the myopic short memory filled Philly fan base in the end. Clinching by week 13 and all the other championship games DEFINITELY included McNabb, while TO jumped on a good ship as the missing piece for a shot to win. Sorry, but TO is not getting the credit ALONE for that, McNabb was HUGE in those years before TO with dogshit, and even bigger with TO that year.

No. Thats my point. TO does NOT get credit alone. And neither does McNabb.

So the man who is booed from day 1 and never got a fair shake in Philly cant whine but the philly fans whine like bitches more then any fan base out there!

As for the super bowl. TO is one of my fav WR of all time and think he gets a bad rap and I blame Mcnabb equally for their problems. That being said he missed the entire playoff run and didnt play until the Super Bowl. So how can you say it was because of TO? Once again the guy doesnt get the credit wow!:wallbash:

Without TO theres no way they get home field throughout the playoffs and I dont give a fuck what anyone says, that was HUGE in getting us into the Super Bowl that year. Considering we played 2 dome teams in Minnesota and Atlanta, in 2 of the coldest games Ive ever experienced in 30 years of going to Eagles games. But Im not giving him all the credit, Im just not gonna sit back while people act like he had nothing to do with it because he was hurt in the playoffs. Without him that season, I doubt they go to the bowl.

And thats another point. "He got booed at the draft". Get the fuck over it. Every year I see guys get booed at the draft! Every fucking year! They dont fucking cry about it for years and years and years. Especially considering like right now, there was a divide in Eagles fans that did want him. How come those fans get no credit? How come they dont count when you say he was never given a fair shake. A fair shake? Are you fucking serious? After 2001 Philly fans treated McNabb like he walked on water. Whats your next fraud point? We threw snowballs at Santa Claus? You sound like the faggot ESPN announcers that love attacking the Philly fans without knowing what they are talking about.


And Epo, Aaron Rodgers may be a HOF quarterback by the end of his career, but right now hes still behind McNabb, Jaworski, and Cunningham. If next week his leg gets Joe Theismanned he goes from Bart Starr to Don Majkowski.

[epo]

And Epo, Aaron Rodgers may be a HOF quarterback by the end of his career, but right now hes still behind McNabb, Jaworski, and Cunningham. If next week his leg gets Joe Theismanned he goes from Bart Starr to Don Majkowski.

Sorry, right now he's ahead of Cunningham, who is historically a joke. Once he enters a Super Bowl he's clearly ahead of McNabb & Jaworski.

[hanso]

You take that back! I have him too and he's going on my bench as well! :furious:

Lol. Bring Beanie back! Most of my bench is hurt or has issues enough already.

[spoon]

Lol. Bring Beanie back! Most of my bench is hurt or has issues enough already.

OK, now I know ur fucking with me bc Wells is on my bench too! :lol:

[Freitag]

In Week 1, Clay Matthews had 3 sacks and gave Kevin Kolb a concussion. Kolb was then benched and lost his job.

In Week 2, Clay Matthews had 3 sacks and destroyed Trent Edwards. Edwards was then benched and lost his job.

In Week 3, Clay Matthews and the Green Bay Packers face Jay Cutler. I wonder what will happen?

In Week 7, can someone tell Clay that the opposing QB said unsavory things about his mother?

[epo]

In Week 7, can someone tell Clay that the opposing QB said unsavory things about his mother?

Sure, but he has to save some energy for Week 8 as that guy is gonna hurt.

[hanso]

OK, now I know ur fucking with me bc Wells is on my bench too! :lol:

Don't tell me you have K Smith RB DET. and or NeNe WR S.D.

[KnoxHarrington]

Jerry Jones gave Wade Phillips the dreaded vote of confidence today.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/472652-dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-says-wade-phillips-job-is-not-in-jeopardy

The only thing I wonder at this point is if Jerry has the cojones to fire Wade and coach the team himself. Surely he wouldn't do that. Would he?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Jerry Jones gave Wade Phillips the dreaded vote of confidence today.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/472652-dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-says-wade-phillips-job-is-not-in-jeopardy

The only thing I wonder at this point is if Jerry has the cojones to fire Wade and coach the team himself. Surely he wouldn't do that. Would he?

Fuck no. He'd just give Cowher an offer he couldn't refuse.

[KnoxHarrington]

Fuck no. He'd just give Cowher an offer he couldn't refuse.

Yeah, that's kind of where I think this is headed.

I think he might hold on to Wade the rest of this season, especially if we are headed for a lockout in 2011. But I can't see Wade back next season, whether that's 2011 or 2012.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think he might hold on to Wade the rest of this season, especially if we are headed for a lockout in 2011.

That's the exact reason Schefter gave when people were wondering why Phillips and Turner retained their jobs in the offseason. The lockout is looming.

[sailor]

What a bone-headed pass by Eli.

[KnoxHarrington]

That's the exact reason Schefter gave when people were wondering why Phillips and Turner retained their jobs in the offseason. The lockout is looming.

Yeah, all the signs seem to be pointing in that direction. Which is sad, because I'll miss football, but at the same time the NFL might need something to kick them in the ass and stop being so god damn arrogant about everything.

Eli off to a stunning start today.

[Snoogans]

Eli Manning is retarded.

First off, Nicks had another ball hit his hands and end up in teh defense hands, so eli now has 4 BS picks. But then the second drive, after gettin to the 3, eli escapes pressure and then while gettin pulled down thinks its a good idea to left handed free throw style shoot the ball to boss. It naturally gets picked off. of course it does.

By Jason McCourty, from Rutgers, just to really stick it in

[epo]

Nice interception by Favre.

[KnoxHarrington]

As bad as Favre looked last week, he looks even worse this week. If they weren't playing the sucktastic Lions, they'd be getting their asses kicked.

Epo's probably jacked it at least 3 times to this

[Snoogans]

i put a few scheckles on the Lions today at +11 cause I know Favre and teh Vikings are garbage

[KnoxHarrington]

i put a few scheckles on the Lions today at +11 cause I know Favre and teh Vikings are garbage

Yeah, that's a great line. Shoulda crushed that.

[Snoogans]

fuckin Lions muffing punts and shit. that was the only thing that makes me nervous about the bet. The lions could suck that much

[KnoxHarrington]

Note for CBS: please dump that bore Jim Nantz and dumbass Phil Simms as your #1 team and make Gus Johnson your #1 announcer.

Gus fucking rules.

[Snoogans]

Eli manning just burned a TO at his own half yardline instead of just taking half the distance

[ScottFromGA]

anyone keeping up with the Falcons/Saints game? Falcons have caused 3 turnovers this game and have dominated the ball...but it's still tied 14-14 in the 3rd.


awesome game so far.

[TheGameHHH]

fuck the bills

[epo]

Watching Coughlin lose to Fisher is almost comical.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Note for CBS: please dump that bore Jim Nantz and dumbass Phil Simms as your #1 team and make Gus Johnson your #1 announcer.

Gus fucking rules.

I read somewhere that the CBS doesn't trust Gus because they are afraid if something "bad" happens, like a national tragedy during the game, he wouldn't be able to handle it professionally. They apparently make up for this in the fact that he's one of the most well compensated talents CBS has... they don't want him to be on the #1 team, but they don't want him going anywhere else.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Holy fuck is Kareem McKenzie retarded.

[epo]

Kareem McKenzie is awesome.

[epo]

The Giants are just hideous.

[epo]

Al Michaels would say that the Titans/Giants game finished UNDER expectations.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Vick with a 61 yard strike. And Fox cuts to Kolb going "YEAH BABY!"

[weekapaugjz]

why is it so difficult for a team to find a decent QB?

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash:

[Tenbatsuzen]

The guy calling the Eagles-JAX game sounds like a cross between Gus Johnson on valium and Jonathan Coachman.

[disneyspy]

The guy calling the Eagles-JAX game sounds like a cross between Gus Johnson on valium and Jonathan Coachman.

you're lucky you dont have to watch lions games,where the bottom team of announcers end up

[Tenbatsuzen]

Vick to Schmitt converting a third down, and the bad Fox announcer first ID's him as Celek, then calls him Owen Smith.

I guess all white folk look alike, huh?

[IamFogHat]

Vick to Schmitt converting a third down, and the bad Fox announcer first ID's him as Celek, then calls him Owen Smith.

I guess all white folk look alike, huh?

Well no but apparently we all smell like wet dogs. Or is it bologna?

[ScottFromGA]

Game of the Week HAS to be the Atlanta/New Orleans game....holy fuck was that one a barn burner!!


Who Dat!?! HAHAHAHAHA!! Fuck that shit!

[joeyballsack]

You'll have to forgive me if I'm not intimidated by a Charlie Batch run offense.

3 TD's, not bad for a 50 year old.

[Jayw]

Ah shit I am coming hard this week in ronfez pick em league. Just need these scores to hold up in afternoon games.

[sailor]

How the fuck do you get a delay of game 2nd and goal at the 1??

[spoon]

Don't tell me you have K Smith RB DET. and or NeNe WR S.D.

ok, i'm not retarded! :wink:

[spoon]

Can we just fire Norv now!? PLEASE. I don't even care if Rivers brings them back with 2 to go. Two more special teams tds against!? 4 false starts, 2 delay of game and of course just fucking awful play calling. I truly can't take watching this team any longer with him at the wheel.

[spoon]

Can we just fire Norv now!? PLEASE. I don't even care if Rivers brings them back with 2 to go. Two more special teams tds against!? 4 false starts, 2 delay of game and of course just fucking awful play calling. I truly can't take watching this team any longer with him at the wheel.

Update, 3 delay of games and add in 5 turnovers. FIRE HIM!!!!!!!!!!

[Snacks]

Andy Reid is the man. He sees who is how and who has more talent and makes the call. Vick is a beast much better then what Kolb would have done. While watching that game I was thinking how great Vick looks/ He looks like the QB the NFL has always wanted him to be. He is showcasing his arm and staying in the pocket. But has the speed and athleticism that defenses cant keep up with.

Look at his #'s: 17/31 for 291 yards and 3 TD's No INT's, 4 rushes for 30 yards and 1 TD

Beast!
The best part about this is every time Vick does well or Reid makes a great coaching move it slaps the Philly fans in the face. I have never hated the Philly fans but lately listening to sports radio and reading the internet Im now on board with the majority of the sports fans when I say they are the worst sports fans in the country!

[hanso]

ok, i'm not retarded! :wink:

With Rivers tossing almost 500 yrds one of his starting WR should get some points. I had to drop Smith for a TE. Tony G you dropped was gone 10 days ago.

[Snoogans]

how bout Michael Vick

[TripleSkeet]

Andy Reid is the man. He sees who is how and who has more talent and makes the call. Vick is a beast much better then what Kolb would have done. While watching that game I was thinking how great Vick looks/ He looks like the QB the NFL has always wanted him to be. He is showcasing his arm and staying in the pocket. But has the speed and athleticism that defenses cant keep up with.

Look at his #'s: 17/31 for 291 yards and 3 TD's No INT's, 4 rushes for 30 yards and 1 TD

Beast!
The best part about this is every time Vick does well or Reid makes a great coaching move it slaps the Philly fans in the face. I have never hated the Philly fans but lately listening to sports radio and reading the internet Im now on board with the majority of the sports fans when I say they are the worst sports fans in the country!

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

You must be retarded. You just dont get it. There isnt one person out there that thought Kolb wouldve played a better game then Vick right now. Nobody. Although I have no doubt Kolb wouldve had a good day and also gotten a win as Jacksonville blows.

Say the Eagles go 9-7 or 10-6 this year with Vick as QB the whole way. Then they get to the playoffs and lose in the 1st or 2nd round. How would you rate the season? As a success? Yea, those of us against the benching, would not. Google the words "football team rebuilding" and maybe youll fucking get it.

Although what I heard on the ESPN pregame did make me feel better about it. Basically saying alot of what we thought may be possible in this thread, that Andy sat down and talked to him, explained that putting him behind that line would hurt his career rather then help him learn, and that hes still going to be the QB of this team, once he builds him a O Line. Thats why they kept showing him throughout the game cheering Vick on, as he said after the meeting Vick had his full endorsement.

But anyone pounding their chests that the old Vick is already back is either delusional or retarded. Not saying he definitely isnt or cant be, but he just beat 2 of the worst teams in the NFL. While I still root for the guy every week because he is an Eagle, I dont know if hes going to look that fantastic once they play some real teams (mop up time against GB doesnt count).



1. Detroit is fucking garbage. FUCK-ING GARBAGE. Youll see this week when they come crashing down to Earth. Well see how good that offense is against a real defense.


Like I said.

[Snoogans]

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

You must be retarded. You just dont get it. There isnt one person out there that thought Kolb wouldve played a better game then Vick right now. Nobody. Although I have no doubt Kolb wouldve had a good day and also gotten a win as Jacksonville blows.

Say the Eagles go 9-7 or 10-6 this year with Vick as QB the whole way. Then they get to the playoffs and lose in the 1st or 2nd round. How would you rate the season? As a success? Yea, those of us against the benching, would not. Google the words "football team rebuilding" and maybe youll fucking get it.

Although what I heard on the ESPN pregame did make me feel better about it. Basically saying alot of what we thought may be possible in this thread, that Andy sat down and talked to him, explained that putting him behind that line would hurt his career rather then help him learn, and that hes still going to be the QB of this team, once he builds him a O Line. Thats why they kept showing him throughout the game cheering Vick on, as he said after the meeting Vick had his full endorsement.

But anyone pounding their chests that the old Vick is already back is either delusional or retarded. Not saying he definitely isnt or cant be, but he just beat 2 of the worst teams in the NFL. While I still root for the guy every week because he is an Eagle, I dont know if hes going to look that fantastic once they play some real teams (mop up time against GB doesnt count).



Like I said.
skeet, try to do me a favor and follow me on this. Throw out the teams that Vick played. Forget that for a minute, cause in Atlanta, he also played alot of dogshit teams.

Just look at it this way for right now: Vick ran 4 times. He threw 31. Regardless of who he is playing, he drops back now, looks through his reads, and then runs if he has to. In ATL, he would look at 1 guy, then run if he was covered. Whatever you wanna say about the competition, Vick is playing QB better than he ever has in his entire life. He is actually playing like a QB.

Also, 3 quarters in a game that ended up close is not mop up time. Stop it. You can not agree with it, you can think they should let kolb learn, but your comments just on how vick has performed are bullshit. You are hating on it because you dont want him in, so you dont want him to succeed. You cannot deny he is the best QB on your team, and you can not deny that he is doing a great jhob of playin QB regardless who he is playing. Stop fuckin hating. You might actually have the BEST TEAM IN YOUR DIVISION. You may win the div and get a home playoff game cause of Vick.

STOP FUCKING CRYING

[Snoogans]

id also like to add, fuck it, im rooting for Vick.

Ordinarily, I would never because he is an Eagle. But i mean jesus, the Giants are so fuckin bad does it even matter? Its not like I need to worry that Vick is gonna own us in some big game. Giants arent going anywhere, and I have been a fan of Vick since his first game in college, so I hope he continues to play well

[ScottFromGA]

Andy Reid is the man. He sees who is how and who has more talent and makes the call. Vick is a beast much better then what Kolb would have done. While watching that game I was thinking how great Vick looks/ He looks like the QB the NFL has always wanted him to be. He is showcasing his arm and staying in the pocket. But has the speed and athleticism that defenses cant keep up with.

Look at his #'s: 17/31 for 291 yards and 3 TD's No INT's, 4 rushes for 30 yards and 1 TD

Beast!
The best part about this is every time Vick does well or Reid makes a great coaching move it slaps the Philly fans in the face. I have never hated the Philly fans but lately listening to sports radio and reading the internet Im now on board with the majority of the sports fans when I say they are the worst sports fans in the country!

yeah...you know, coming from a guy that was a fan of his when he played for my team (the Falcons)....he's gonna kickass till he gets that big contract, then he's gonna lay down. Trust me, don't get excited. He get knocked hard once and he's gonna get big eyed again like he did in Atlanta.

[Snoogans]

yeah...you know, coming from a guy that was a fan of his when he played for my team (the Falcons)....he's gonna kickass till he gets that big contract, then he's gonna lay down. Trust me, don't get excited. He get knocked hard once and he's gonna get big eyed again like he did in Atlanta.

thats assuming he is still the same no working jerkoff. I think he is alot more mature. we will find out i guess

[Jayw]

"Unless Leon lett is here that will be the end of the half"

hah

[KnoxHarrington]

What was that garbage song they just showed us? Jesus, that sucked.

And I thought they said this was Hispanic Heritage Month, not Gay Pride Month. What was the meaning of that faggotry?

[Jayw]

Go Jets Baby!

[TripleSkeet]

skeet, try to do me a favor and follow me on this. Throw out the teams that Vick played. Forget that for a minute, cause in Atlanta, he also played alot of dogshit teams.

Just look at it this way for right now: Vick ran 4 times. He threw 31. Regardless of who he is playing, he drops back now, looks through his reads, and then runs if he has to. In ATL, he would look at 1 guy, then run if he was covered. Whatever you wanna say about the competition, Vick is playing QB better than he ever has in his entire life. He is actually playing like a QB.

Also, 3 quarters in a game that ended up close is not mop up time. Stop it. You can not agree with it, you can think they should let kolb learn, but your comments just on how vick has performed are bullshit. You are hating on it because you dont want him in, so you dont want him to succeed. You cannot deny he is the best QB on your team, and you can not deny that he is doing a great jhob of playin QB regardless who he is playing. Stop fuckin hating. You might actually have the BEST TEAM IN YOUR DIVISION. You may win the div and get a home playoff game cause of Vick.

STOP FUCKING CRYING

Why do you say I hate the guy? Im one of the very few people in this city that was NOT mad when they signed him. Not to mention, I also just mentioned in my last post that not only am I rooting for him, but that I feel better about the move after hearing some of the ESPN analysts explaining conversations they had this week with Kolb and Reid. AND hes also the reason Im 2-1 in your fantasy league.

What I dont get is why is this a "slap in the face" to Eagles fans that didnt want him to start? If they go 10-6, make the playoffs, lose in the 2nd round, and he signs with Cleveland next year, guess what? The 2010 season is a complete waste. The people that didnt want to see him start had a good reason. We were all told he would basically be gone next year. If a QB isnt gonna be on your team, and because of other weaknesses youre a longshot for winning a Super Bowl, then theres no point in starting him.

Either way I root for my team always, no matter what. But Im also a fan of the game of football. Thats why its ridiculous to suck this guys cock when he has yet to beat even an average team, let alone a good one. Youll see Eagles fans pounding their chests this week...those are the ones that are complete homers and dont know shit about the actual game of football. The people that know the game know Vicks playing great but he hasnt had any real tests yet.

[Snoogans]

these are the moments that should make people realize that if there is actually a god, he really doesnt give a fuck about what we do

[hanso]

Kolb could turn out to be the modern day Wally Pipp.

[Snoogans]

Why do you say I hate the guy? Im one of the very few people in this city that was NOT mad when they signed him. Not to mention, I also just mentioned in my last post that not only am I rooting for him, but that I feel better about the move after hearing some of the ESPN analysts explaining conversations they had this week with Kolb and Reid. AND hes also the reason Im 2-1 in your fantasy league.

What I dont get is why is this a "slap in the face" to Eagles fans that didnt want him to start? If they go 10-6, make the playoffs, lose in the 2nd round, and he signs with Cleveland next year, guess what? The 2010 season is a complete waste. The people that didnt want to see him start had a good reason. We were all told he would basically be gone next year. If a QB isnt gonna be on your team, and because of other weaknesses youre a longshot for winning a Super Bowl, then theres no point in starting him.

Either way I root for my team always, no matter what. But Im also a fan of the game of football. Thats why its ridiculous to suck this guys cock when he has yet to beat even an average team, let alone a good one. Youll see Eagles fans pounding their chests this week...those are the ones that are complete homers and dont know shit about the actual game of football. The people that know the game know Vicks playing great but he hasnt had any real tests yet.

thats the first time i have seen you say he is playing great. Its like you almost, up til now, wouldnt acknowledge he made plays without sayin it was only cause the team sucks. it was like you didnt care that he was still making plays HE never made before, making QB plays and playing smarter. Everyone just says oh its cause the teams are shitty and ignore that he is still playin the QB position as good as ever AND as good as anyone else in the league. Brees hasnt played HOF defenses and doesnt have the numbers vick has. shitty or not, he is playin QB better than anyone right now. Period, end of story. But no one will say that, they act like its only the teams he played, not that he is playing the best in the league at the moment

AND HELLO. You arent gonna let vick walk if he does that for you this year. If Vick isnt traded by week 6, he is your QB for the year and if he is even a B- for the entire year, he will be your QB for years. This isnt some dumb short sighted shit. You are either going to deal him and get something, or you are gonna get him. And it REALLY seems to me, not just you but all the eagle fans talkin like you are, it seems they just dont want that cause Vick is black and mobile and you racists dont want that cause you think its the same as McNabb

[KnoxHarrington]

I'd love to have the battery concession in Philly next weekend. I'd bring in D cells by the truckload.

[Snoogans]

Marshall is a fuckin beast

[TripleSkeet]

thats the first time i have seen you say he is playing great. Its like you almost, up til now, wouldnt acknowledge he made plays without sayin it was only cause the team sucks. it was like you didnt care that he was still making plays HE never made before, making QB plays and playing smarter. Everyone just says oh its cause the teams are shitty and ignore that he is still playin the QB position as good as ever AND as good as anyone else in the league. Brees hasnt played HOF defenses and doesnt have the numbers vick has. shitty or not, he is playin QB better than anyone right now. Period, end of story. But no one will say that, they act like its only the teams he played, not that he is playing the best in the league at the moment

AND HELLO. You arent gonna let vick walk if he does that for you this year. If Vick isnt traded by week 6, he is your QB for the year and if he is even a B- for the entire year, he will be your QB for years. This isnt some dumb short sighted shit. You are either going to deal him and get something, or you are gonna get him. And it REALLY seems to me, not just you but all the eagle fans talkin like you are, it seems they just dont want that cause Vick is black and mobile and you racists dont want that cause you think its the same as McNabb

Ill be the first to say I dont want a running QB. And yes sorry but running QBs happen to all be black QBs. Running QBs dont win Super Bowls. Pocket passers do. Now that Detroit game he was running because he was running for his life. I even said that he was hit 17 times and if it were Kolb he probably would of been dead.

Dude Ive had to watch the "running QB" for most of the last 20 years. And while its won games it hasnt won championships. Speaking for myself as an Eagles fan, I just want to see the old fashioned pocket passer firing precision timed passes instead of trying to run scramble for 5 minutes to make a play. And I want that guy to play and cement his role on the team. Whether it be Kolb or not. If he plays for a year like shit and just doesnt progress Id want Reid to draft another QB to compete for the job the next year. I

m not a blind fan for Kolb, but yea I want that old time stand in the pocket and make your throws quarterback. Take the hits, dont run around and make the plays. I cant help it if that type of QB is usually white and the scrambling for his life running all over the field QB is usually black.

[Jayw]

Kolb could turn out to be the modern day Wally Pipp.

More like the next Trent Green. Our big hope Green gets hurt in preseason, in comes second string Kurt Warner. 99 Rams go on to win super bowl with Kurt Warner as MVP. Thank you trent for getting hurt btw.

[Snoogans]

Ill be the first to say I dont want a running QB. And yes sorry but running QBs happen to all be black QBs. Running QBs dont win Super Bowls.

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[TripleSkeet]

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Stop. Please. Yes Steve Young ran but you cant compare him to guys like Randall, Vick, Young, even McNair when it came to running. He wasnt even fucking fast. And he never took off if there was the slightest chance he could make the pass.

[Snoogans]

Ill be the first to say I dont want a running QB. And yes sorry but running QBs happen to all be black QBs. Running QBs dont win Super Bowls. Pocket passers do. Now that Detroit game he was running because he was running for his life. I even said that he was hit 17 times and if it were Kolb he probably would of been dead.

Dude Ive had to watch the "running QB" for most of the last 20 years. And while its won games it hasnt won championships. Speaking for myself as an Eagles fan, I just want to see the old fashioned pocket passer firing precision timed passes instead of trying to run scramble for 5 minutes to make a play. And I want that guy to play and cement his role on the team. Whether it be Kolb or not. If he plays for a year like shit and just doesnt progress Id want Reid to draft another QB to compete for the job the next year. I

Im not a blind fan for Kolb, but yea I want that old time stand in the pocket and make your throws quarterback. Take the hits, dont run around and make the plays. I cant help it if that type of QB is usually white and the scrambling for his life running all over the field QB is usually black.

Yea except Vick isnt running alot. He is standing back and making reads and throws and playing very well. Kolb probably isnt very good, so keep vick a few years and draft a good QB to take over, and at least have a chance in the mean time. and also read my bolded part:

umm, yes, you are mr 30-35 TDs and 12-15 picks. THATS A FUCKIN HOF QB YEAR. If a QB plays 10 years and throws 320 TDs and 150 picks he is in the HOF.

[Snoogans]

Stop. Please. Yes Steve Young ran but you cant compare him to guys like Randall, Vick, Young, even McNair when it came to running. He wasnt even fucking fast. And he never took off if there was the slightest chance he could make the pass.

im just sayin, he was mobile and won a SB.

And dont you dare hate on Steve McNair. Fuck mobility, he was one of the best QBs in the game, period. You really are way off here bro.

[Snoogans]

More like the next Trent Green. Our big hope Green gets hurt in preseason, in comes second string Kurt Warner. 99 Rams go on to win super bowl with Kurt Warner as MVP. Thank you trent for getting hurt btw.

if triple skeet had his way, the rams woulda sat warner back down when green came back and went 4-12 and got the first pick

[Snoogans]

and yes, i believe you can win a SB with a mobile QB. If you can win a SB with Jeff Hostetler, you can win with Vick. McNair was half a yard from winning. McNabb was 1 drive from winning.

[TripleSkeet]

Yea except Vick isnt running alot. He is standing back and making reads and throws and playing very well. Kolb probably isnt very good, so keep vick a few years and draft a good QB to take over, and at least have a chance in the mean time. and also read my bolded part:

umm, yes, you are mr 30-35 TDs and 12-15 picks. THATS A FUCKIN HOF QB YEAR. If a QB plays 10 years and throws 320 TDs and 150 picks he is in the HOF.

Yea but how many QBs have the weapons he has now for 10 years straight? Thats why I thought he was gonna have a monster year. And those same weapons are REALLY helping Vick too. Thats why he didnt have to run alot today. Maclin and Jackson made some phenominal catches, on phenominal throws.

And I said Vick was playing the position good, but he ran his ass off last week because his line was swiss cheese, I wouldnt fault him for it in that kind of situation.

I dont think they can keep both QBs. Kolb is making 6 mill a year this year and next, and then youd have to sign Vick. Are they going to comitt 6 mill to their backup QB???

[TripleSkeet]

im just sayin, he was mobile and won a SB.

And dont you dare hate on Steve McNair. Fuck mobility, he was one of the best QBs in the game, period. You really are way off here bro.

Jesus you dont even see it. Out of those 4 I was giving McNair the MOST credit because even though he ran, he was more of a QB then the others I mentioned. But even he ran faster and more often then Young.

[Snoogans]

Yea but how many QBs have the weapons he has now for 10 years straight? Thats why I thought he was gonna have a monster year. And those same weapons are REALLY helping Vick too. Thats why he didnt have to run alot today. Maclin and Jackson made some phenominal catches, on phenominal throws.

And I said Vick was playing the position good, but he ran his ass off last week because his line was swiss cheese, I wouldnt fault him for it in that kind of situation.

I dont think they can keep both QBs. Kolb is making 6 mill a year this year and next, and then youd have to sign Vick. Are they going to comitt 6 mill to their backup QB???

there isnt goin gto be a season next year so kolb wont be making shit. thats first off.

remember read my hostetler point. The Giants won a SB with Jeff Hostetler throwing to fuckin Mark Ingram and Stephen Baker. Im pretty sure alot of QBs could win a SB. Again, dont tell me Vick couldnt have won with the 00 Ravens D or the 07 Giants D. You are insane if you think McNabb wouldnt have either.

[Snoogans]

Jesus you dont even see it. Out of those 4 I was giving McNair the MOST credit because even though he ran, he was more of a QB then the other I mentioned. But even he ran faster and more often then Young.

again, Jeff Hostetler

also my point was dont put mcnair as a mobile running QB. He was a QB who just happened to be able to run. He was a pocket passer though

[Jayw]

Edwards is looking like a G in this game.

[TripleSkeet]

there isnt goin gto be a season next year so kolb wont be making shit. thats first off.

remember read my hostetler point. The Giants won a SB with Jeff Hostetler throwing to fuckin Mark Ingram and Stephen Baker. Im pretty sure alot of QBs could win a SB. Again, dont tell me Vick couldnt have won with the 00 Ravens D or the 07 Giants D. You are insane if you think McNabb wouldnt have either.

You know what? MAYBE they couldve. But if those guys were in there, would the coach have been as conservative as he was with Dilfer? Would he have comitted to the run as much as he did or taken more chances with the pass? Passes that could cost you?

Because I dont give a fuck what anyone says, the Eagles shouldve won that 04 Super Bowl. It shouldve been over in the first half. McNabb fucking choked that half away. Dont believe me? Watch the recap highlights of the game sometime. New England was a mess and giving the game away, and McNabb just kept fucking up instead of taking them out early.

[TripleSkeet]

again, Jeff Hostetler

also my point was dont put mcnair as a mobile running QB. He was a QB who just happened to be able to run. He was a pocket passer though

I agree with that. My point was even he ran more then Young.

[Snoogans]

You know what? MAYBE they couldve. But if those guys were in there, would the coach have been as conservative as he was with Dilfer? Would he have comitted to the run as much as he did or taken more chances with the pass? Passes that could cost you?

Because I dont give a fuck what anyone says, the Eagles shouldve won that 04 Super Bowl. It shouldve been over in the first half. McNabb fucking choked that half away. Dont believe me? Watch the recap highlights of the game sometime. New England was a mess and giving the game away, and McNabb just kept fucking up instead of taking them out early.

i guarantee you Bill Parcells runs just the same as he did with Hostetler. Bill is stubborn like that. With the Ravens, maybe you have a point, but remember they werent that conservative with dilfer in the actual SB. They threw at Sehorn all day. Its wasnt just dont make mistakes, they took shots.

And maybe McNabb had a bad day, but it was 1 game. you cant say there is no way a mobile QB could win when there have been a couple who have and a few who were a play or a few plays away. Vick is playing an NFL offense, with weapons that are there for at least 4 more years. Would it be so horrible to maybe keep him, get a future franchise QB, fix the oline over the next year or 2?

Those weapons behind a good line with a better defense, shit, you very well could. The NFL is garbage right now, you guys are terrible and probably the best team in your division

[Snoogans]

I agree with that. My point was even he ran more then Young.

you cant say that straight up though. Young had 10 times the weapons McNair ever had in the passing game, and those niners teams had good lines and played the west coast, so the passes were short and quick. Its alot easier to not have to run when all your routes are 4-7 yards. McNair ran more only cause his team wasnt as good, not because he was more of a runner

[KnoxHarrington]

Jets blow a touchdown with 2 stupid penalties.

[TripleSkeet]

Vick is playing an NFL offense, with weapons that are there for at least 4 more years. Would it be so horrible to maybe keep him, get a future franchise QB, fix the oline over the next year or 2?

Those weapons behind a good line with a better defense, shit, you very well could. The NFL is garbage right now, you guys are terrible and probably the best team in your division

No it wouldnt be so bad. Thats why after watching ESPN this morning I felt a little better about it. But last week when it went from "Kolb is the starter" to "Vick is the starter the rest of thee year" to "Weve gotten trade offers for Kolb we have to look into" I just couldnt take it.

And hey you never know about the whole mobile QB thing, but when your team has had that for the majority of 20 years and still hasnt won a Super Bowl, you tend to want something different. Im sure Cleveland would LOVE to have a mobile QB because having a pocket passer for them hasnt paid off ever. Well thats how alot of Eagles fans are.

I sit back and watch guys like Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady, Brees and such hoisting the trophy year after year and those guys run like they are wearing ice skates. It gets old seeing the same kind of shit every year from your team.

And again I agree with everything you said about McNair and Young. Im not sayiong he wasnt justified in running more, just that he did. I just always giggle at this whole "Young was a running QB" theory. Even when they kept saying it back then it was like the media was trying to say "LOOK! White guys can run too!" when youd see him take off for like 10 yards and dive. Im pretty sure the Eagles stopped that whole farce when they took out his ribs when he was diving for the end zone one game.

[Jayw]

Overturn that shit!

[Snoogans]

No it wouldnt be so bad. Thats why after watching ESPN this morning I felt a little better about it. But last week when it went from "Kolb is the starter" to "Vick is the starter the rest of thee year" to "Weve gotten trade offers for Kolb we have to look into" I just couldnt take it.

And hey you never know about the whole mobile QB thing, but when your team has had that for the majority of 20 years and still hasnt won a Super Bowl, you tend to want something different. Im sure Cleveland would LOVE to have a mobile QB because having a pocket passer for them hasnt paid off ever. Well thats how alot of Eagles fans are.

I sit back and watch guys like Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady, Brees and such hoisting the trophy year after year and those guys run like they are wearing ice skates. It gets old seeing the same kind of shit every year from your team.

And again I agree with everything you said about McNair and Young. Im not sayiong he wasnt justified in running more, just that he did. I just always giggle at this whole "Young was a running QB" theory. Even when they kept saying it back then it was like the media was trying to say "LOOK! White guys can run too!" when youd see him take off for like 10 yards and dive. Im pretty sure the Eagles stopped that whole farce when they took out his ribs when he was diving for the end zone one game.

Rothlisberger is fuckin mobile. I dont know how much you watch him, but he has probably top 3 escapability in the whole league. He is not a pocket passer first, or wasnt until last year or 2.

and again with steve young, that offense was totally different. he had the ball out so fast to those incredible receivers he didnt have to run much. 2, 3 yard routes. he never gotr pressured to have to run except the times he ran

[KnoxHarrington]

Holy shit, how did that dumbass not finish that interception? Sanchez was basically handing the ball off to him!

[KnoxHarrington]

This has been a hell of a game.

[PapaBear]

My damn picture got all jumpy on that last play! AGH!!!:furious:

[hanso]

Ill be the first to say I dont want a running QB. And yes sorry but running QBs happen to all be black QBs. Running QBs dont win Super Bowls. Pocket passers do. Now that Detroit game he was running because he was running for his life. I even said that he was hit 17 times and if it were Kolb he probably would of been dead.

Dude Ive had to watch the "running QB" for most of the last 20 years. And while its won games it hasnt won championships. Speaking for myself as an Eagles fan, I just want to see the old fashioned pocket passer firing precision timed passes instead of trying to run scramble for 5 minutes to make a play. And I want that guy to play and cement his role on the team. Whether it be Kolb or not. If he plays for a year like shit and just doesnt progress Id want Reid to draft another QB to compete for the job the next year. I

m not a blind fan for Kolb, but yea I want that old time stand in the pocket and make your throws quarterback. Take the hits, dont run around and make the plays. I cant help it if that type of QB is usually white and the scrambling for his life running all over the field QB is usually black.

Did Doug Williams win a SB that way?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I have to admit, that was a thoroughly enjoyable game tonight. I watched in the company of a Dolphin fan, who had been trash talking all week.

[TripleSkeet]

Did Doug Williams win a SB that way?

I didnt say every black QB was a running QB, I said every running QB was black. Look at Warren Moon. He averaged around 100 rushing yards a season.

[ScottFromGA]

thats assuming he is still the same no working jerkoff. I think he is alot more mature. we will find out i guess

like they say...."you can take the "ding" out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the "ding"."


he's scum and always will be. Just cause he served a third of what a typical person would serve and can run a fucking football doesn't make him a changed person. I'm just giving you a warning....first time he goes down with an injury, Kolb will be your starter within 5 games.

[ScottFromGA]

also another point about Vick leading the one of the past teams to a SB with a great coach, theres one point your missing, VICK Can Not Produce In Pressure Situations.


I seen the guy play for the Falcons for years....every time he got the chance to produce, except beating Green Bay at Lambeau in the wild card game, he choked. Everytime he got the ball, he was crushed. He would get the ball, take a 2 second look downfield and run only to have a linebacker stuff him into the ground. That was with great protection as well!

I've never been a fan of Michael Vick. I just seen him just give up way too easily in way too many games as a Falcon.

[KnoxHarrington]

also another point about Vick leading the one of the past teams to a SB with a great coach, theres one point your missing, VICK Can Not Produce In Pressure Situations.


I seen the guy play for the Falcons for years....every time he got the chance to produce, except beating Green Bay at Lambeau in the wild card game, he choked. Everytime he got the ball, he was crushed. He would get the ball, take a 2 second look downfield and run only to have a linebacker stuff him into the ground. That was with great protection as well!

I've never been a fan of Michael Vick. I just seen him just give up way too easily in way too many games as a Falcon.

Well, the problem with Vick had always been that if you shut down his main gimmick, which was taking off and running, he didn't really have anything to fall back on, because his other skills as a quarterback were so desperately underdeveloped. That is, make him play like an old-school, stay-in-the-pocket-and-throw QB, he was mediocre at best.

He does seem to be a little better at that aspect of the game now, but we'll see. I'm not completely sold yet.

[ScottFromGA]

I mean I can't take away anything from the guy NOW...I haven't really paid much attention to his play now other than a few plays I seen when Kolb couldn't start in week 2. He may have been able to develop into a well rounded QB now but like you said, Knox...when you take his legs out, he's no better than Joey Harrington.

Eagles fans better not get excited yet, is all I'm really saying.

[underdog]

I love when the calling the timeout before the FG thing backfires.

And wasn't Frank Gore saying they were the ones that "beat themselves" against the Saints, and that they were the better team? Yikes, good showing against the Chiefs.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Kolb should invest in comfy headsets and shiny new clipboard... Vickadelphia has made the Iggles a contender in the depleted NFC............


also Janokowski and Hartley should be cut on the spot... 60 Minutes of Smash Mouth Football by both Offensive and Defensive Lines all down the drain because these 2 Sissy Kickers missed glorified Extra Points and cost their team a hard earned win .......

[Snacks]

like they say...."you can take the "ding" out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the "ding"."


he's scum and always will be. Just cause he served a third of what a typical person would serve and can run a fucking football doesn't make him a changed person. I'm just giving you a warning....first time he goes down with an injury, Kolb will be your starter within 5 games.

are you saying Vick served a lighter sentence then the avg would have gotten? I hope you truly dont believe that. He received the highest sentence he could or should have received. They basically changed the law to give him that sentence. They said the avg person received no more then 30 days for dog fighting convictions and in most cases they would get probation.

[Snoogans]

i also love how you act like someone cant change over 4 years or mature even a little.

And yea, sometimes vick would fuck up in pressure situations cause he had to try to do everything himself cause he had guys like Peerless Price droppin everything.

Look im not sayin he is a stud, but he has weapons now, and seems to be playing a smarter, more mature game. Can we maybe wait and see what happens instead of assuming that he is going to be exactly the same as he was 5 years ago before he lost everything.

and yea, he didnt really receive a light sentance. In fact, his sentance was probably worse than what a normal non famous person woulda got, especially the fines and shit.

[weekapaugjz]

good riddance to edwards. go suck somewhere else.

[spoon]

More like the next Trent Green. Our big hope Green gets hurt in preseason, in comes second string Kurt Warner. 99 Rams go on to win super bowl with Kurt Warner as MVP. Thank you trent for getting hurt btw.

You sir are welcome! SD may not win championships themselves, but they and Rodney Harrison help others do it! Just ask Troy Brown of the NE Pats! Fuck you SD!

[spoon]

Well, the problem with Vick had always been that if you shut down his main gimmick, which was taking off and running, he didn't really have anything to fall back on, because his other skills as a quarterback were so desperately underdeveloped. That is, make him play like an old-school, stay-in-the-pocket-and-throw QB, he was mediocre at best.

He does seem to be a little better at that aspect of the game now, but we'll see. I'm not completely sold yet.

I have to agree on this, as Vick was pretty damn one dimensional in the past, which works over a 16 game season, but not over the course of a playoff where good coaches/D coordinators can scheme to shut that down. However, Vick so far has really looked good and has gone through his progressions a LOT! I made a point to watch his footwork, progressions, and mobility in the pocket versus taking off in that game. I have to say, he did a very good job overall.

Yet like Knox, I'm far from sold just yet, as the true test comes with a good pressure D in town. Still, he can fail in a game or two, even the best do. Overall, he's calmed down, is making good reads and staying with the progressions versus running and finding open options at #3/#4 and showing great POCKET mobility, not running often when it's there. I think Reid is doing a good job of giving him some safe runs (designed) here and there throughout a game (1 per QTR) to feed the beast too. It's obvious he's trying to remold Vick at a perfect time. He's been off the field for a few years and is more easily reset now then ever.

Looking at Philly's schedule and I really don't see any top flight D coming up unless Dallas or someone else shows promise or lives up to it. There are no push overs coming up on D either, so at least it'll be a better test than Detroit and Jax (how long till they axe their coach?).

[hanso]

I didnt say every black QB was a running QB, I said every running QB was black. Look at Warren Moon. He averaged around 100 rushing yards a season.

I was just asking.

[epo]

Are you ready for some football?

[weekapaugjz]

i'm kinda ready. but only hank jr. can get me rowdy.

[weekapaugjz]

what's the +/- on cutler's interceptions tonight?

[Ogre]

2
I say GB defense gets in his head

[weekapaugjz]

i take the over on 2.

[Jayw]

what's the +/- on cutler's interceptions tonight?

None.

Changing my pick last minute to Bears +3, martz coming through.

[sailor]

Go pack.

[Ogre]

[QUOTE=spoon;2774017] I have to agree on this, as Vick was pretty damn one dimensional in the past, which works over a 16 game season, but not over the course of a playoff where good coaches/D coordinators can scheme to shut that down. However, Vick so far has really looked good and has gone through his progressions a LOT! [QUOTE]

Agreed....He is looking better than Vick 1.0

Man I was the biggest non fan of Vick from way back. I always argued wuth anyone who would listen about his career 53 % completion rating or his QB rating which hovered around 74 the paltry 6.8 yds per attempt. They always said athletic ability and skills aydda yadda and I'd call bullshit and cite his stats.

His numbers this year so far: 63.8 comp % 105.5 QB rating and average yds per attempt closer to 9.

He looks like a totally different QB staying put and going thru his reads. He is alot more patient but he still has the gas in the jets to a degree. I did not think it possible but he may be around in a starting role for a few years to come. If not in Philly ....somewhere.

I fear he will humble the Washington D next week. He is going to get Andre Carter or D Hall in space and make them look foolish. Just a hunch.

[epo]

i take the over on 2.

Wise play, grasshopper.

[epo]

It was nice of Tirico to jinx Robbie Gould by talking about his accuracy.

[Snoogans]

Hank did such a good job getting me ready for some football that im watching Dancing with the Stars at least until Situation is on

[weekapaugjz]

Hank did such a good job getting me ready for some football that im watching Dancing with the Stars at least until Situation is on

so gay.

[epo]

Hank did such a good job getting me ready for some football that im watching Dancing with the Stars at least until Situation is on

Lies.

[Snoogans]

so gay.

Lies.

i would ordinarily agree. I Never watched it before last week, but its pretty fuckin funny. I dont mind it, and Sitch rules. My TV will be on ABC til 10, then, I MAY be ready for some football

[weekapaugjz]

and there's #1

[KnoxHarrington]

Well, there's one for Captain Diabeetus right there.

[epo]

2
I say GB defense gets in his head

Halfway home.

[Jayw]

That was such a bad fucking pass. Wow cutler.

[KnoxHarrington]

Almost got #2 right there, if he could have held on to it.

Nice shot of some douche in the crowd yawning.

[epo]

So close to #2.

[KnoxHarrington]

I think the Bears need to be running a lot more than they are. Cutler's just stinking it up tonight.

[KnoxHarrington]

Did Tirico just utter the phrase "Coaches coach against coaches?"

Who would they coach against? Bus drivers? Accountants?

[KnoxHarrington]

This game will be decided by the time Snoogans' homo dance show is over.

[weekapaugjz]

Did Tirico just utter the phrase "Coaches coach against coaches?"

Who would they coach against? Bus drivers? Accountants?

i think he's said it's 54 degrees and fall about 3 times now.

[Jayw]

Man Rogers is looking good, I think I am out of luck with my bears pick...

[Snoogans]

This game will be decided by the time Snoogans' homo dance show is over.

Rogers and Jennings better be doin something. But i dont care, i get to see the real champion, The Situation

[weekapaugjz]

But i dont care, i get to see the real champion, The Situation

you are so gay.

[epo]

Rodgers is making up for Clifton getting whooped by Peppers.

[KnoxHarrington]

Well, the Bears' defense is at least keeping it fairly close, and giving them a chance to come back.

Until Cutler throws the ball to the Packers again.

[Snoogans]

you are so gay.

yea for watchin a bunch of hot chicks dance around dressed like sluts while you watch 22 guys grab ass

[weekapaugjz]

Until Cutler throws the ball to the Packers again.

or to no one at all.

[weekapaugjz]

yea for watchin a bunch of hot chicks dance around dressed like sluts while you watch 22 guys grab ass

you've already admitted you are watching it because of a dude.

[epo]

or to no one at all.

Kyle Orton could've done that.

[Snoogans]

you've already admitted you are watching it because of a dude.

do you think he dances by himself fool? He has a female partner. Although the hottest chick was eliminated because David Hasselhoff is a bum

[KnoxHarrington]

Just when I thought we'd get through a Packers game without a gratuitous mention of Brett Favre, there it is.

[Snoogans]

you've already admitted you are watching it because of a dude.

and correction. I turned it on because of Situation last week. Im watching it because, and I was SHOCKED to find this out, but the show is actually pretty fuckin funny. Its not a bad show, except when Michael Bolton is on

[weekapaugjz]

Hank did such a good job getting me ready for some football that im watching Dancing with the Stars at least until Situation is on

i would ordinarily agree. I Never watched it before last week, but its pretty fuckin funny. I dont mind it, and Sitch rules. My TV will be on ABC til 10, then, I MAY be ready for some football

Rogers and Jennings better be doin something. But i dont care, i get to see the real champion, The Situation

three posts and no mention of a woman. only the situation. gay.

[Snoogans]

three posts and no mention of a woman. only the situation. gay.

again, do you think he dances alone

and i said, its a pretty good show man. You should check it out sometime. You would be surprised

[weekapaugjz]

again, do you think he dances alone

and i said, its a pretty good show man. You should check it out sometime. You would be surprised

i wouldn't be surprised. i don't enjoy watching other people dance. maybe you should pick up some tickets to the ballet?

[Snoogans]

i wouldn't be surprised. i don't enjoy watching other people dance. maybe you should pick up some tickets to the ballet?

i would say about 30% of the time of the show is people dancing. The others is like out takes and just BSin i guess, i dont know, but its pretty funny. And Kurt Warner is a fuckin STIFF. He cant move for shit, its pretty funny

[weekapaugjz]

so dancing and a bunch of outtakes with people i care absolutely nothing about. no thanks.

[Snoogans]

looks like i didnt miss much from these 2 bum teams

[Jayw]

All your bickering had me watching dwts and I miss the bears comeback. Fuck you guys

[Snoogans]

faggots, thats not gonna help my fantasy score

[Snoogans]

All your bickering had me watching dwts and I miss the bears comeback. Fuck you guys

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA awesome

[weekapaugjz]

All your bickering had me watching dwts and I miss the bears comeback. Fuck you guys

stop deflecting your homosexuality on us.

[Snoogans]

Michael Vick gets mustard on the feet? What the fuck does that even mean

[KnoxHarrington]

Hey, we do get a hot chick in the halftime show.

[Tenbatsuzen]

again, do you think he dances alone

and i said, its a pretty good show man. You should check it out sometime. You would be surprised

and you fucking yell at me for freezing steaks

[Snoogans]

and you fucking yell at me for freezing steaks

because frozen steaks taste like shit

[Tenbatsuzen]

because frozen steaks taste like shit

and dancing shows turn your dick to shit

[Snoogans]

and dancing shows turn your dick to shit

yea thats what they do. good point

[epo]

and you fucking yell at me for freezing steaks

No self respecting man freezes steak.

Savage.

[Snoogans]

and dancing shows turn your dick to shit

is this supposed to get to me btw? Do you think I posted it in here thinkin you guys would be like oh really and fuckin turn it on? No, I posted it so it could be goofed on. I was watching, and I enjoy the show, but the whole purpose was to give people a laugh.

[Snacks]

and correction. I turned it on because of Situation last week. Im watching it because, and I was SHOCKED to find this out, but the show is actually pretty fuckin funny. Its not a bad show, except when Michael Bolton is on

Snoogs dont get all defensive I never watched this show til I watched an episode last year. Then when I found out the situation was going to be on it I decided to watch this season too. I wanted to see him but I love the female dancers on the show. They wear the sexiest dresses and nothing is sexier then a girl who can dance!

[Snoogans]

Snoogs dont get all defensive I never watched this show til I watched an episode last year. Then when I found out the situation was going to be on it I decided to watch this season too. I wanted to see him but I love the female dancers on the show. They wear the sexiest dresses and nothing is sexier then a girl who can dance!

exactly, and the parts between the dancing are pretty fuckin funny. And Michael Bolton tryin to dance is fuckin funny

[Snacks]

because frozen steaks taste like shit

that makes no sense. we vacuum seal and freeze steaks all the time. when were ready to eat them we take them out of the freezer and marinate them and grill them. Taste the same to me as an unfrozen one!

[epo]

that makes no sense. we vacuum seal and freeze steaks all the time. when were ready to eat them we take them out of the freezer and marinate them and grill them. Taste the same to me as an unfrozen one!

Stop lying.

[Snoogans]

that makes no sense. we vacuum seal and freeze steaks all the time. when were ready to eat them we take them out of the freezer and marinate them and grill them. Taste the same to me as an unfrozen one!

when you buy steak, its been frozen already once, generally. Freezing it a second time makes it alot worse in terms of quality. Maybe you had never frozen steaks (unlikely but), but I dont know. I notice a huge difference, same with chicken and fish. So I never freeze anything, i just buy it when im ready to eat it

[KnoxHarrington]

when you buy steak, its been frozen already once, generally. Freezing it a second time makes it alot worse in terms of quality. Maybe you had never frozen steaks (unlikely but), but I dont know. I notice a huge difference, same with chicken and fish. So I never freeze anything, i just buy it when im ready to eat it

I've never had a problem freezing chicken, but I try to buy steak the same day I'm going to cook it.

And yeah, never freeze fish.

[PapaBear]

I've never had a problem freezing chicken, but I try to buy steak the same day I'm going to cook it.

And yeah, never freeze fish.
This. Though I think it's OK to freeze larger cuts like roasts, or pork loin.

[underdog]

Snoogs dont get all defensive I never watched this show til I watched an episode last year. Then when I found out the situation was going to be on it I decided to watch this season too.

Great, you guys can make out now.

[Snoogans]

nice catch

[KnoxHarrington]

Bad move not getting the FG to tie the game up, Bears.

[PapaBear]

That was kind of dumb to go for it. I can see that they still have a whole quarter ahead, but still...

[Jayw]

And the bears blow an easy score. Fucking Martz

[KnoxHarrington]

What is the ball on now, the 2 centimeter line?

[Jayw]

Wooooooot

[Snoogans]

man hester is fuckin fast

[Ritalin]

Hey, how's it going, Epo? Long time, no see.

[epo]

Hey, how's it going, Epo? Long time, no see.

Fair weather sombitch.

[weekapaugjz]

man hester is fuckin fast

according to tirico earlier in the game, he's only a "mediocre" punt returner anymore.

[Ritalin]

Fair weather sombitch.

Shit

[underdog]

according to tirico earlier in the game, he's only a "mediocre" punt returner anymore.

He just compared him to Rex Grossman.

[epo]

This offensive line is killing my soul.

[KnoxHarrington]

according to tirico earlier in the game, he's only a "mediocre" punt returner anymore.

If the punter didn't manage to somehow grab his shin earlier, that would have been the second punt return TD for him tonight.

Mediocre indeed.

[Snoogans]

according to tirico earlier in the game, he's only a "mediocre" punt returner anymore.

He just compared him to Rex Grossman.

i heard the grossman shit, is tirico retarded?

[weekapaugjz]

is tirico retarded?

yes.

[epo]

I think that's the 9th time they've told us about Blanda tonight.

[epo]

Kuhn!!!!!!!!!

[Snoogans]

that was a weak roughin call

[Snoogans]

Jackson sucks balls. bring Kuhn back in

[epo]

that was a weak roughin call

Shouldn't you be watching celebrities dance?

[epo]

Hey, how's it going, Epo? Long time, no see.

Much better now.

[Snoogans]

Shouldn't you be watching celebrities dance?

8-10 pm, Bristol Palins final dance routine got me ready for some football way more than shitty hank

[Jayw]

Shaping up for a good finish, hopefully in the bears favor.

[Snoogans]

Much better now.

i love how dummy tirico thinks the gatorade Rodgers drank 30 seconds ago magically shut down all cramps immediately

[KnoxHarrington]

Way to give Rogers a couple of minutes to work out that cramp, Bears.

[KnoxHarrington]

i love how dummy tirico thinks the gatorade Rodgers drank 30 seconds ago magically shut down all cramps immediately

Maybe he got that stuff they spray on soccer players sprayed on his leg.

I don't think that that timeout magically cured his cramp, but it was much better for him to have that break first.

[KnoxHarrington]

And there's 2...well, no, it's not.

[underdog]

i love how dummy tirico thinks the gatorade Rodgers drank 30 seconds ago magically shut down all cramps immediately

Way to give Rogers a couple of minutes to work out that cramp, Bears.

Calf cramps are the fucking worst, too. That shit hurts like nothing else. I can't believe he ran in a TD.

[epo]

Zombo did the foul, not Clay you dummies.

[Snoogans]

Maybe he got that stuff they spray on soccer players sprayed on his leg.

I don't think that that timeout magically cured his cramp, but it was much better for him to have that break first.

that spray shit wouldnt do anything for cramps. They just rub out the cramp until its gone. it may come back it may not. but to keep cramps away by fluids, you have to start days before hand.

that spray shit is just super cold, its to keep swelling down when you get kicked or something. Its alot like the ethel chloride they use in MLB

[Snoogans]

Calf cramps are the fucking worst, too. That shit hurts like nothing else. I can't believe he ran in a TD.

sometimes, especially if i drank alot of beers that day, ill get woken up with a huge shock of pain from a cramp in my calf and it takes like 4 minutes to get my leg open and start rubbin it away

[Jayw]

green bay is just destoying themselves with flags tonight wow

[Ritalin]

Much better now.


Well....

[KnoxHarrington]

What the hell, Green Bay? 30 penalty yards on the same drive.

[epo]

What the hell, Green Bay? 30 penalty yards on the same drive.

Just stupid.

[Snoogans]

i hope the guys at Buffalo Wild Wings make sure this stays tied and goes into OT

[spoon]

again, do you think he dances alone

and i said, its a pretty good show man. You should check it out sometime. You would be surprised

nope, gay

and congrats on the MOE-like rundown on football (22 men grabbing ass)! so awful! :flush:

[Ritalin]

Now we can watch Rogers chip away at Lovies just enough to lose defense, kick a field goal, game over.

[spoon]

that call on the roughing was fucking awful too

i know it's a rule, but he didn't spear or anything, he TACKLED the guy and their helmets hit bc blood sugar was looking down too

[underdog]

sometimes, especially if i drank alot of beers that day, ill get woken up with a huge shock of pain from a cramp in my calf and it takes like 4 minutes to get my leg open and start rubbin it away

Yeah, same thing here. It's a dehydration thing. It'll make me limp for a day sometimes. It's so fucking painful and there is nothing you can do to make it go away.

[KnoxHarrington]

Yeah, same thing here. It's a dehydration thing. It'll make me limp for a day sometimes. It's so fucking painful and there is nothing you can do to make it go away.

I've had leg cramps wake me up in the middle of the night. All you can do is get out of bed and walk around and hope that stretches it out. God damn do they hurt.

[spoon]

is this supposed to get to me btw? Do you think I posted it in here thinkin you guys would be like oh really and fuckin turn it on? No, I posted it so it could be goofed on. I was watching, and I enjoy the show, but the whole purpose was to give people a laugh.

You mean like Kevin120~?

[epo]

Rodgers is just awesome.

Edit- good job stupid.

[Ritalin]

Whoa boy.

[KnoxHarrington]

Rodgers is just awesome.

Yeah but that was a stupid intentional grounding play. Come on, run a few more steps forward, and then throw it away. Just watch some Payton Manning film.

Jesus what an awful fumble.

[epo]

Are you fucking kidding me?

[Snoogans]

this game BLOWS

[keithy_19]

That will cost GB a time out.

[Jayw]

These announcers are fucking up constantly, so he just said the ruling on the field was packers ball. I am sure he meant bears ball.

[Snacks]

when you buy steak, its been frozen already once, generally. Freezing it a second time makes it alot worse in terms of quality. Maybe you had never frozen steaks (unlikely but), but I dont know. I notice a huge difference, same with chicken and fish. So I never freeze anything, i just buy it when im ready to eat it

I have purchased unfrozen steaks before and then froze them. I have also purchased steaks from Omaha steaks that have arrived frozen and kept them that way til time to cook them.

[KnoxHarrington]

this game BLOWS

Yeah, just kill the announcers and play Yakety Sax over this shit

[spoon]

wow cutler throws to the wrong team A LOT and gets pure fucking lucky too.

[keithy_19]

These announcers are fucking up constantly, so he just said the ruling on the field was packers ball. I am sure he meant bears ball.

They are awful.

[epo]

How the fuck do you call that shit on Chillar? Olson completely pushed off.

[spoon]

BOOM

ur ads suck!

[Snoogans]

I have purchased unfrozen steaks before and then froze them. I have also purchased steaks from Omaha steaks that have arrived frozen and kept them that way til time to cook them.

yea thats fine, thats the first freeze. You are good. Maty bought steaks that were previously frozen and then he re froze them

[epo]

Anyone who re-freezes steaks should be banned for a week.

[keithy_19]

Green Bay keeps kicking themselves in the ass.

[epo]

Interception #5.

[KnoxHarrington]

Dogshit call

[Snoogans]

they shoulda let him score idiots. let him fuckin score

[Ritalin]

Boy, that extra time out is looking pretty good to The Pack right now.

[spoon]

is this the only way cutler can move the ball?!

i'm beginning to believe so

it's hard to defend against receivers when every ball is thrown SEVERELY under or over the target. not to mention the bear wrs and tes are getting away with a lot while the dbs aren't allowed to touch them.

[Snoogans]

if im the bears i drop back and take a knee and let it run down and kick the FG

[spoon]

do not underestimate cutler's ability to fuck anything up

[spoon]

Buy Gould!

[spoon]

I don't think I've seen a week where teams were so outplayed and won more.

[Ritalin]

do not underestimate cutler's ability to fuck anything up

Screw that. I would have agreed with you before last week. He was getting his ass beat, literally, then pulled it together and took that game over against Dallas. The guy's changing. Martz is having an effect. Get him another receiver and then he'll really get it going.

[KnoxHarrington]

What a total clusterfuck of a game.

[Jayw]

Yep i knew that pick was going to be a success all along.

[Snoogans]

is there any good football teams left? Anywhere?

[KnoxHarrington]

So if about a month ago, I said to you, "There will be 3 undefeated teams in the NFL after Week 3, what will they be?" I really doubt anyone would have guessed the Bears, the Steelers, and the Chiefs.

Hell, I doubt many people would have guessed even one of those teams correctly.

[Snoogans]

if ever I was asked to defend my watching DWTS, all i need to show is the 2nd half of this game and say cause this was on

ENOUGH SAID. I WIN

[Ritalin]

So if about a month ago, I said to you, "There will be 3 undefeated teams in the NFL after Week 3, what will they be?" I really doubt anyone would have guessed the Bears, the Steelers, and the Chiefs.

Hell, I doubt many people would have guessed even one of those teams correctly.



Trey Wingo?

[spoon]

Screw that. I would have agreed with you before last week. He was getting his ass beat, literally, then pulled it together and took that game over against Dallas. The guy's changing. Martz is having an effect. Get him another receiver and then he'll really get it going.

I literally just turned on the game and saw him throw to the wrong team 3 fucking times. He still blows and is getting Detroit game type lucky. He'll bite you in the ass soon enough, don't you worry. Insulin boy isn't winning on his own and started turning it around the last few weeks of 09 before Martz. Plain and simple, smoke and mirrors my friend...LOTS of smoke.